Over the years, most if not all of the current Republican presidential field have advocated reforming Social Security by guaranteeing the benefits of those in or approaching retirement while giving younger Americans the option of putting at least some of their contributions in personal or private accounts.
Rick Perry, for example, has called Social Security “a monstrous lie” for young people, although he has backed off that recently. Michele Bachmann last year also talked of wanting to wean younger Americans off the program, although she too has softened that rhetoric. In the 2008 primaries, Mitt Romney repeatedly endorsed the privatization approach suggested by President Bush, repeating that support in his 2010 book. (Yes, he too has now changed his tune to a degree.) And Herman Cain has consistently advocated using the example of Chile as a model for how to privatize the program here in the United States.
Like President Bush in 2005, however, none of the candidates addresses the enormous financial challenges of such a transition. It’s just an idea that they throw out there, with no evidence of serious thought.
Here’s the problem: To finance benefits at promised levels for those 55 or older, we would need to continue to collect payroll taxes from today’s working-age population. However, we would also propose to divert a significant share of those payroll tax into personal accounts. In effect, we would be trying to spend the same dollar twice, and we would do it trillions of times.
When Chile made that transition in 1981, it was being ruled by the brutally repressive Pinochet military dictatorship, which took the need for political compromise right out of the picture. The country also enjoyed a budget surplus at the time of more than 5 percent of its GDP, which is not exactly the financial situation we enjoy today.
Chile’s plan requires that workers deposit 13.3 percent of their monthly pay into private accounts, including 3.3 percent to cover mandatory purchase of private disability and life insurance. That’s right: I doubt he realizes it, because I doubt he’s actually looked at it seriously, but the Chilean plan cited by Cain as his model includes — gulp — a government mandate for the purchase of insurance.
To offset that additional cost to workers, private employers in Chile were ordered by the military junta to increase wages across the board by 18 percent. The Chilean government also went deeply into debt to finance the transition to the new system while trying to honor commitments under the previous system.
In a study exploring the possibility of copying the Chilean example here in the United States, the Congressional Research Service outlined some of the major obstacles:
Absent other measures, keeping Social Security’ s commitments would require the government to raise taxes, cut spending on other programs, or borrow more from private financial markets. Put another way, a generation or two would have to pay twice, bearing both the cost of pre-funding the new system and the costs of benefits under the old system.
The United States already is faced with chronic budget deficit problems, leaving little or no room for the massive tax hikes or public borrowing that would be necessary (the Social Security Administration estimates if all workers currently under age 40 were to stop paying into Social Security, the system would need an infusion of $6.9 trillion in order to pay promised benefits to those remaining in the system).
That was written in 1998, at a time when — to put it mildly — our nation’s finances were in considerably better shape than they are today. That $6.9 trillion figure would also be considerably higher today, considering inflation and the fact that the Baby Boomers are now 13 years closer to retirement than they were in 1998.
All in all, a reasonable ballpark estimate of $10 trillion in additional resources would probably be needed to finance such a transition. So until you identify a source for that kind of money, talk of personal or private accounts is mere wishful thinking.
– Jay Bookman
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retired early
September 27th, 2011
9:41 am
Mighty
You need to draw a distinction between SS and Medicare. BTW, we pay for SS, it is not an entitlement but an “earned pension”….which should have remained in a trust separate from the general budget. Now, the gov “owes” the fund because it has borrowed from it to offset shortfalls in the general budget.
It needs to be “tweaked” occasionally to remain solvent, but it is a separate fund and should not be a part of any conversation about “reducing the Nat’l debt”…just “repay” what you “borrowed” from us and make it solvent again with whatever “changes” are needed. Now, The Nat’l Healthcare plan, when fully implemented, will absorb “some” of the cost for medical care now covered by Medicaid and Medicare, that is why those programs will be partially “cut”. This has “NOTHING” to do with SS…where there have been NO CUTS.
Normal
September 27th, 2011
9:52 am
Paul
September 27th, 2011
9:05 am
Yes indeed! My mother’s folks (scot/Irish) alway used the word “Dit” when calling me out for some sin or another. It may have come from “Git”, but I always thought it was short for “Determinedly Idiotic Tot” (or Teen, as I grew older).
Good little liberal
September 27th, 2011
10:09 am
Normal
name calling before 9 AM
You’ve reached the pinnacle of your debating skills really early today.
Mighty Righty
September 27th, 2011
10:13 am
retired early-Obama removed 500 billion dollars from social security/medicaid to help reduce the cost of obamacare. He then claimed an additional 500 billion in fictitious savings and social security and reported both savings to the CBO. The CBO cannot analize any figures and must make a determination based on figures given to them without regard to accuracy. So the CBO reported a trillion dollars in savings none of which actually exists. But the taking of 500 billion from social security is a fact. In addition, obama’s stimulous, more of which he is now touting reduces the amount paid by payrole deducation to the “trust fund”. Both of these cuts to revenue were by DEMOCRATS! I don’t know of a single cut ever to Social Security by a Republican, EVER. If you know otherwise, so state.
Mighty Righty
September 27th, 2011
10:24 am
retired early
September 27th, 2011
9:41 am
I hate to explain to someone who is retired how medicare works. Medicare is funded exactly the same way as social security by payrole deduction and employer contribution. In addition, a retired person who wishes to participate in Medicare does so voluntarily and pays a premium the same as for any health insurance. Further each retired person can select which insurance company they wish to use. There are no “end of life panels” determining whether or not the treatment will be approved as with obamacare.
dbm
September 27th, 2011
10:30 am
AmVet
September 26th, 2011
8:11 pm
You should ask them to get informed and engaged FIRST. THEN ask them to vote.
Mighty Righty
September 27th, 2011
10:31 am
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
9:08 am
Sorry. I don’t really need to see your previous posts. Using “justice” as a term to discuss confiscation of other’s wealth so you can use it for your own purpose tells me exactly where you stand.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:39 am
You should ask them to get informed and engaged FIRST. THEN ask them to vote.”
Sorry, dbm, not much into that fascist thinking.
You can have it…
Righty, as does that fifth grade repost.
Wake up for once and look around.
And quit being so anti-justice and so pro-crime…
Mighty Righty
September 27th, 2011
10:54 am
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:39 am
Your idea of justice is comparable to a poor person with a gun robbing a wealthy person. Your economic philosophy is simply a belief in proven failed systems.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:59 am
And your idea of debate is a childish joke.
Because you seem to be deluded into believing that you can actually speak on my behalf.
Hell, you can barely articulate YOUR position.
You ask for something and then refuse to even acknowledge the truth of it because it does not fit in with your sophistry and endless logical fallacies.
Tough t*tties…
dbm
September 27th, 2011
11:25 am
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:39 am
How is it fascist to say we get better results if voters are informed and engaged? How is it fascist to say people should think before they act? How is it fascist to say that if people don’t know what they are doing, there are likely to be bad results?
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
11:38 am
So the constitutionality of the health care bill will be decided before the 2012 election it seems:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64475.html
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
11:46 am
Who was it yesterday that said Christie was out of favor with the people who elected him? This from Fox News:
“A new poll shows Gov. Chris Christie’s approval rating in the state has bounced back after taking a dip this spring during the state budget battles. The Fairleigh Dickinson-PublicMind poll released Tuesday shows 54 percent approve of the way Christie is handling his job; 36 percent disapprove. That’s up from up from May when 44 percent both approved and disapproved of Christie’s handling of his job. The polling came on the heels of praise for Christie for his handling of the response to Hurricane Irene in August.”
Tom Middleton
September 27th, 2011
12:00 pm
Thanks, Jay, for yet another expert commentary. Like all of your columns on important national issues, this one should be required reading for all Americans, starting with Mr. Cain himself.
And as for Republican math, it never adds up, starting with the Ol’ Gipper himself until now. The problem is that as long as they can win elections with a pile of fiscal crap, they really don’t care and never will!
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
12:28 pm
Righty — “There are no “end of life panels” determining whether or not the treatment will be approved as with obamacare.”
Again with the lies. The “end of life” benefit did no such thing.
Is it at all possible for you to be honest? Did you actually read the legislation, or are you just spouting what you’ve been told?
Adam
September 27th, 2011
1:21 pm
Mighty Righty: I don’t know of a single cut ever to Social Security by a Republican, EVER
That’s because the bills and efforts to make Social Security a private system did not pass. There certainly were plenty of EFFORTS to do so.
Jack Handy
September 27th, 2011
2:16 pm
The Math isn’t currently working on SS. Come on Jay. It’s going to hurt to get this fixed. It’s going to hurt more for some than others. It has to be done. It needs to be done and gosh darn it all, we need to stand up and fix this for our future generations. No more sweeping it under the rug. No more looking the other way.
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