In the big leagues, September can be very cruel
As September began, the Atlanta Braves and Boston Red Sox were cruising to all-but-inevitable spots in the post-season. Today, after a month of some of the worst baseball by contending teams in MLB history, they are perilously close to going home early in what would be a pair of record-setting collapses.
Rick Perry can surely relate.
Gov. Rick Perry greets pitcher Mike Jackson after throwing out the first pitch in a 2001 Astros game (AP photo)
A month ago, the Texas governor was a formidable political figure. Within days of entering the GOP presidential race, he enjoyed double-digit leads in the polls, a growing campaign treasury and the enthusiastic backing of a Republican base excited to have a viable alternative to Mitt Romney.
“If (Rick) Perry can prove that he can perform on the national stage,” I wrote in late August, “the nomination is all but his and there’s nothing Romney can do about it.”
But Perry has done the opposite. In a series of debate performances, each one worse than the previous, he has performed terribly on the national stage. He has exposed himself as a man who doesn’t know much and doesn’t even know that he doesn’t know much. In fact, we haven’t seen a political crash-and-burn this spectacular since the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska swapped reading lists with Katie Couric.
As that great political strategist Yogi Berra once observed, it ain’t over ’til it’s over. Like the Braves and Red Sox, Perry still has hope. But so far he shows no sign that his fumbling performance is anything but a permanent state of affairs. In fact, watching a smiling Romney play with Perry in the last two debates has been like watching a cat toying with a very frightened, confused mouse.
Unless that changes, the 2012 Republican standard bearer looks to be the man who created the model for ObamaCare, who believes that mankind contributes significantly to global warming, who opposes the teaching of creationism and who signed a state law banning assault weapons, noting that “these guns are not made for recreation or self-defense; they are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
As for Perry? Well, as Yogi also noted, “the future ain’t what it used to be.”
– Jay Bookman
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Real Scooter
September 26th, 2011
11:47 am
First?
Real Scooter
September 26th, 2011
11:48 am
F. Sinkwich
September 26th, 2011
11:50 am
Perry has certainly hit a rough patch, but that fat lady isn’t even warming up yet.
In spite of his RINO tendencies, Mitt would be an enormous improvement over Obama.
Steve - USA
September 26th, 2011
11:50 am
That’s what happens when they declare front runners before people have a chance to learn anything about them. Perry is like a restaurant that good good reviews but then you eat there and the food doesn’t sit so well.
Perry will be home for Christmas, like Trump he is to thin skinned to take the heat.
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
11:51 am
In fact, watching a smiling Romney play with Perry in the last two debates has been like watching a cat toying with a very frightened, confused mouse.
Since Nixon, evangelicals have chosen the Republican nominee.
I can’t see evangelicals choosing Mittens over Perry.
And as far as Sept. and the big leagues — the EPL is just getting started in Sept.
Jimmy62
September 26th, 2011
11:52 am
Jay,
Can you define an assault weapon? Because Congress is unable to, not in a way that makes sense. I’m just wondering if you can.
Steve - USA
September 26th, 2011
11:52 am
ugh…..my grammar was pathetic. Rats.
Real Scooter
September 26th, 2011
11:52 am
Romney nor Perry will be getting my vote anyway.
getalife
September 26th, 2011
11:52 am
Two libs fighting for the con vote is hilarious.
“THE GREAT IRAQ GIVEAWAY:
U.S. Handing Over Billions In Bases And Equipment To Avoid Shipping Home ” Aol
Where are the suddenly fiscal cons on military waste?
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
11:52 am
Heck, President Chauncey can surely relate. After only three years in the big leagues, his career is nearly over. Should not have skipped the minors.
Aquagirl
September 26th, 2011
11:53 am
You can’t fix stupid. And independent voters aren’t willing to accept an obvious dim bulb like Perry.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
11:55 am
Formula:
1) Introduce a new candidate as the Savior of the Republicans!
2) Get some new poll numbers and repeat those for days
3) Have candidate on news shows or in a debate or two
4) Realize the new candidate sucks
5) Go back to step 1
Try 1: Donald Trump
Try 2: Michele Bachman
Try 3: Rick Perry
Who would primary voters want for try #4?: Chris Christie!
getalife
September 26th, 2011
11:55 am
rag,
Who will beat him?
Nobody.
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
11:55 am
Dear Aquagirl, good morning, suspect the voters would choose “stupid” over “worthless expenditure.” My guess is that Perry would rout Chauncey, maybe even a no-hitter. After three years of swinging, Chauncey has no hits, and features many errors.
Doggone/GA
September 26th, 2011
11:56 am
“Who would primary voters want for try #4?: Chris Christie”
but that might only be because he hasn’t been through steps 1-4
Tea Party Hobbit
September 26th, 2011
11:56 am
Go Herman!
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
11:56 am
Dear Getalife @ 11:55, good morning, I suspect Obama now has the Carter disease, and anyone will look good by comparison to a neutral voter.
Tea Party Hobbit
September 26th, 2011
11:57 am
…and if you mention TARP, all I have to say is – it’s better than having to answer questions about Gardasil or Romneycare. Plus, he wasn’t in office, and bore no responsibility for how TARP was handled.
ByteMe
September 26th, 2011
11:57 am
It’s not about NATIONAL polling, it’s about state-by-state polls and although Romney easily wins up north, he struggles with anyone that has a drawl or claims that their life is led by Jesus (of course, the direction they’re being led has nothing to do with anything Jesus believed, but whatever).
We do indeed have two Americas. Romney can win in only one of them.
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
11:57 am
Dear Real @ 11:52, I believe I would vote for anyone to the right of Hugo Chavez, and among major candidates that would exclude only Chauncey, and maybe Johnny Isakson.
Steve - USA
September 26th, 2011
11:58 am
Chris Christie has a problem. It is the 400lb Gorilla in the room.
getalife
September 26th, 2011
11:58 am
“After three years of swinging, Chauncey has no hits”
Nothing but lies from cons.
His list of accomplishments is long but cons lie about it.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
11:58 am
As for the things Jay mentioned of Romney, that makes me consider him. But, I also considered McCain before I realized he had turned away from nearly all of those positions. Perry pointed out (less than eloquently) the flip-flop nature of Romney. If Romney changes his positions so fast and always to whatever position he thinks is popular for his audience, all the time, then I think that disqualifies him from being credible should he be in office. Maybe he’ll switch parties when he gets in the White House! Who knows!
Real Scooter
September 26th, 2011
11:58 am
Jimmy62
September 26th, 2011
11:52 am
I can define assault weapons for you Jimmy! They are anything you can kill someone with. So they will be banning bats,hammers and choke holds and………
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
12:00 pm
Dear Hobbitt @ 11:57, mixed feelings about TARP. I opposed it, but in all fairness the Bush-portion of TARP has been repaid almost 100%. Thus overstated the Bush deficit, and as those revenues are credited to Chauncey, TARP understates the Obama deficit.
ByteMe
September 26th, 2011
12:00 pm
Nice pic choice, Jay… he doesn’t look crazy at all.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:00 pm
ByteMe: If Romney gets the nomination, the South will vote on party lines, except maybe Florida. The red states will vote Republican just because he’s a Republican. Sadly, some blue states may vote Republican also because of how much of a high standard enough of the “liberals” have put on Obama.
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
12:01 pm
Dear Getalife @ 11:58, 9% unemployment, after 3 years of Chauncey, is no lie. Wake up and smell the coffee, even if it is only noon.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:01 pm
I’m pretty sure Chris Christie will NOT run. He seems too much of a straight shooter to me. Which is exactly why he’d be a GOOD president. The problem is he’s not completely nuts, so he can’t really get past a primary challenge.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2011
12:02 pm
The problem seems to be that the Republicans have continuously chosen to pander to single issue orientated crazies when a leader needs to manage completing complex issues and policies. Pandering to the crazies will only bring crazy.
Aquagirl
September 26th, 2011
12:04 pm
Good morning Rag—I think you are projecting your own feelings onto voters. Obama hasn’t been a rousing success, but he also doesn’t look like he needs help tying his own shoes. Dumbed-down Bush 2.0 would be a hard sell to America.
getalife
September 26th, 2011
12:04 pm
rag,
The costs of saving the w depression is high and you know it.
getalife
September 26th, 2011
12:05 pm
chris christie?
Fat chance on beating our President.
The cons have nobody thaty c
getalife
September 26th, 2011
12:06 pm
Oops.
The cons have nobody that can beat our President and they know it.
Jefferson
September 26th, 2011
12:08 pm
The GOP continues to turn its back on one of its own, Cain. When he win a piddly straw vote of 2000 in FLA, they hollar where’s Christy? What a bunch of kids. Their hate of the President brings the county down.
Aquagirl
September 26th, 2011
12:08 pm
I’m pretty sure Chris Christie will NOT run. He seems too much of a straight shooter to me.
I loved it when he told hurricane watchers “get the hell off the beach.”
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2011
12:09 pm
Jay, when you’re a dumbass, it’s impossible to hide it. Just ask Sarah. Just ask Dubya.
But, when you really think about it, that’s what the Repugnican’ts really need — someone who will do what he’s told and not ask a lot of questions — just like Dubya.
Will King Dumbass the Second prevail? It’s anybody’s guess at this moment.
HDB
September 26th, 2011
12:09 pm
Off-Topic: Boeing delivers the first 787 to ANA….in Washington State, not South Carolina!
JamVet
September 26th, 2011
12:10 pm
Superb analogy and article, Jay.
The reason I never wager? I said three weeks ago, when the Braves had a 9.5 game lead, that there would be October baseball in their future. Now? Here’s to hoping the MLB worst Astros play good enough to eliminate the Cards.
And the Braves take at least one from the Phillies.
As for Perry, some contend that he is unelectable based on his obvious dumbassedness. Not so fast there, kiddies.
Has everyone already forgotten 2000? AND 2004? When the mental midget from Texas swept in on nothing but cheap talk and a history of ignored failures?
Which brings me to yet another inane reference to Carter.
The invite (I believe the 10th or 11th) goes out to our esteemed counselor with the Randian predilections.
Rag, you can make a list of Carter’s failures and successes and I’ll take the aforementioned George of the Bungle, and we’ll compare them.
You lose.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 26th, 2011
12:10 pm
Well, I’m just crushed—crushed, I tell you—by Perry’s big flops in the debates. We can’t have a Mormon as President, so I got a idea about how Perry can get back to the top so he can pick Bachmann as his VP and set about praying the Gays straight for four years or, heck, even eight.
Just don’t answer any questions when on the stage. If somebody ask you something, just say “I agree with that feller over there”—then point to somebody. They say Calvin Coolidge got along good without saying anything. Well, Perry needs to learn from somebody that’s been where he wants to go.
And if he’s ever asked about immigration, just say “I’m flat-out against it.” He’ll gets lots of applause and Conservatives will flock to the polls to vote for him.
I know, I’m just a humble beer truck driver and he probly won’t listen to me. But if he takes my advise, he’ll be President of the U.S. of A. He don’t have to look too far to find a recent President that never hardly knowed anything and got two terms. In Perry’s case, dumb is good—in both meanings of that term.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:10 pm
Aquagirl: Exactly. I think probably the biggest draw that voters have when it comes to Christie is that man has some balls!
cosby smith
September 26th, 2011
12:11 pm
None of the above…Time to leave the White hlouse vacant. Obama wants marxism, Mitt and Rick have no clue…dump the entire lot!
Walk the Talk
September 26th, 2011
12:12 pm
I agree that trying to figure out which is dumb and which is dumber — Perry or Palin — is a monumental task best left to their constituency. To give it any more thought would likely cause damage to my own brain cells.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:12 pm
cosby: I would argue the Republicans want Marxism to the extreme: A capitalist structure that so overwhelms and consolidates the power structure of this country that the working class rises up in a revolution in response.
Jefferson
September 26th, 2011
12:12 pm
What keep coming up over and over with the GOP’s folks is they are nuts, NONE of them have real ideas, just rehashed party lines. What next?
Butch Cassidy
September 26th, 2011
12:13 pm
Maybe we just need to simplify the political process to accomodate the 24/7, instant gratification, want it now mentality of the average citizen. Here’s my suggestion:
1. Monday – All candidates will be announced
2. Tuesday – A 1 hour debate in which each candidate will have 5 minutes to announce plan of action for their adminstration.
3. Wednesday – Voting will begin between 7:00am and 7:00pm.
4. Thursday – Elaection results will be announced.
5. Friday – Swearing in of new POTUS will occur at 9:00am.
POTUS will have 30 days to correct all problems, or will face impeachement.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:14 pm
Butch: That should be broadcast as a commercial. Just to show people how ridiculous they are being. Maybe it will get some people to think.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 26th, 2011
12:15 pm
Come back Herman Cain!!! All is forgiven!!!!
Bwaaa haa haaa …
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2011
12:19 pm
30 days to fix? Why so long? Can’t they do it by Monday? Or at least come up with a nice soundbite?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 26th, 2011
12:20 pm
You could almost substitute the name Barack Obama for Rick Perry in Jay’s commentary and a lot of his commentary could be applied to Obama’s fall in approval.
Butch Cassidy
September 26th, 2011
12:22 pm
Adam – “Butch: That should be broadcast as a commercial. Just to show people how ridiculous they are being. Maybe it will get some people to think.”
Well you know, since the hot phrase right now is “business experience”, maybe we should revamp the political process to reflect actual business protocols:
All representatives including the House, Senate and the POTUS will be hired on a 90 day probationary period. Should the candidates fail to meet the minimum acceptable requirements of the position, they will face disciplinary action up to and including termination.
There, all nice and businessy!
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
12:23 pm
Adam — “Formula:
1) Introduce a new candidate as the Savior of the Republicans!
2) Get some new poll numbers and repeat those for days
3) Have candidate on news shows or in a debate or two
4) Realize the new candidate sucks
5) Go back to step 1”
I’ll take “GOP 2011″ for $400, Alex.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
12:24 pm
again I say unto you?
With Perry fading who will be the next GOP flavor of the month?
Who’s left? Palin? Christie? Jeb Bush? Paul Ryan?
The way it’s going they are gonna’ be outa’ flavors long before
they are outa’ months.
Walk the Talk
September 26th, 2011
12:24 pm
I wonder if Perry used his most excellent knowledge of Econ 101 from college in his budget work in Texas.
At least while Palin was serving her half term, the oil companies were still paying the citizens of Alaska for the rights to destroy the land.
Jefferson
September 26th, 2011
12:24 pm
How is the GOP gonna jack up gas prices? Falling prices make real americans happy.
Butch Cassidy
September 26th, 2011
12:26 pm
Granny Godzilla – “The way it’s going they are gonna’ be outa’ flavors long before
they are outa’ months.”
I think they’re working on an animatronic version of Reagan.
Steve - USA
September 26th, 2011
12:27 pm
Obama will lose not because of anything he has done or who he runs against. Human nature will defeat him, people have struggled for 4 years and the “grass is greener” mentality will be what defeats him.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
12:27 pm
This just in: Rick Perry to drop out of race for 2012 GOP nomination, Katy Perry announces her candidacy.
Butch Cassidy
September 26th, 2011
12:28 pm
Joe Mama – “Katy Perry announces her candidacy.”
She could win on cleavage alone!
Paul
September 26th, 2011
12:28 pm
Redneck knows two meanings of ‘dumb.’ I am impressed.
Maybe, just maybe a President Romney will follow the President Obama model and not feel captured by his Party’s mouthpieces. Hope springs eternal.
“the 2012 Republican standard bearer looks to be the man who created the model for ObamaCare, who believes that mankind contributes significantly to global warming, who opposes the teaching of creationism and who signed a state law banning assault weapons, noting that “these guns are not made for recreation or self-defense; they are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
I can live with that. Easily.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 26th, 2011
12:28 pm
Butch, wouldn’t you just classify them as a “independent contractor” and then underpay them and overwork them without benefits and then whine if they demand overtime as required by law?
Guy Incognito
September 26th, 2011
12:29 pm
YES WE CAIN!
He’ll Rock you like a Herman Cain!
Butch Cassidy
September 26th, 2011
12:30 pm
Keep – “Butch, wouldn’t you just classify them as a “independent contractor” and then underpay them and overwork them without benefits and then whine if they demand overtime as required by law?”
LOL, considering that the U.S. Government is supposed to be a Non Profit organization anyway, I just naturally assumed that they were already volunteers fulfilling their Community Service. No?
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
12:32 pm
B. Cassidy — “considering that the U.S. Government is supposed to be a Non Profit organization anyway”
Most or all of our conservative commentators just started flailing their arms and emitting that high-pitched SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE noise again.
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2011
12:32 pm
“Human nature will defeat him, people have struggled for 4 years and the “grass is greener” mentality will be what defeats him.”
That, plus the fact that the events of the Dubya presidency has disappeared into the Orwellian “memory-hole.”
Don’t “misunderestimate” Perry. Since the vast majority of the electorate functions at a 3rd grade level, I’d say his chances are pretty good.
After all, ain’t nobody never said you got to be “smart” to be president of these here United States, now did they?
Schrodingers cat
September 26th, 2011
12:33 pm
So it remains to be seen who the left and the media will pick as their competition on the right?
Try not to gush all over yourselves….at least clean up when your done
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
12:34 pm
McCain could pull the perfect hail mary, part deux, if he would run again and pick Perry as his VP. Perry. Palin. What’s the difference. They both start with a P and have five letters. They’re both fruit cakes. They’re both cheerleaders. I just hope no one posts a picture of him in a patriotic bikini. The similarities would then just be too much to be mere coincidence. They could be the missing Bush links. The twins that got away.
Midori
September 26th, 2011
12:34 pm
Dear Getalife @ 11:58, 9% unemployment, after 3 years of Chauncey, is no lie
if you’re “that” concerned, it would follow you’ve contacted house leadership demanding they pass Obama’s jobs bill.
have you???
godless heathen
September 26th, 2011
12:37 pm
Granny. Left you a linkee downstairs for a report that found that NYC had the worst commute in the USA. This must have been what I heard cited on the TeeVee.
Jefferson
September 26th, 2011
12:37 pm
The house don’t earn their paycheck.
JamVet
September 26th, 2011
12:38 pm
Obama will lose not because of anything he has done or who he runs against. Human nature will defeat him, people have struggled for 4 years and the “grass is greener” mentality will be what defeats him.
Not to belabor the point, but again look no further than 2004.
By then, it was patently obvious that George was a complete and deadly train wreck. And deserving of the title of the wor4t president in modern American history.
Yet, the faithful voted him in handily once again.
And only much too late later, did the more ballsy admit they were war-weary and suddenly fiscal. A classic GOP head in the sand approach of closing the barn door once the cows were all out.
And now they have no credibility, except amongst themselves…
They BOTH suck
September 26th, 2011
12:38 pm
Schrodinger @ 12:33
“So it remains to be seen who the left and the media will pick as their competition on the right?’
Are you implying that those on the right are not smart enought to do their own homework and are unable to make their own decisions when voting?
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:39 pm
Recon: You could almost substitute the name Barack Obama for Rick Perry in Jay’s commentary and a lot of his commentary could be applied to Obama’s fall in approval.
Not really.
Schrodinger's cat
September 26th, 2011
12:40 pm
No Both,
What I am implying is that the left doesn’t pick the candidate on the right…try as they might.
Gordon
September 26th, 2011
12:41 pm
If I were an Obama supporter, I would be very disappointed in Perry’s decline. Republicans dislike Obama so much they will support Romney, and Romney appeals to independents much more than Perry would.
They BOTH suck
September 26th, 2011
12:43 pm
Schrodinger
Can’t they be said for both sides? The left didnt make Perry or anyone get in the race…………
Are you one of those who think the “left” tried to get McCain the nomination?
Truth is after Bush, no Repub was going to win.
Same thing might happen to Obama but we will see
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:46 pm
Gordon: Never underestimate the Republican primary voter’s ability to nominate another f***ing cowboy Texan, only this time definitely not even close to being part of the “intellectual elite.”
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 26th, 2011
12:46 pm
Come baaaaack T-Paw! Come baaaaack! All is forgiven!!
Come back T-Paw. We need you!
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
12:47 pm
Ghost of Ronald Reagan says: Can’t anyone here play this game?
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:49 pm
LUNCH
Adam
September 26th, 2011
12:49 pm
Crap, spoke too soon. Lunch has been delayed one hour
Dammit, I am hungry!
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
12:52 pm
godless heathen
September 26th, 2011
12:37 pm
Granny. Left you a linkee downstairs for a report that found that NYC had the worst commute in the USA. This must have been what I heard cited on the TeeVee.
except it does not say that, now does it?
BTW LA stands for Los Angeles – a city right here in the US of A
Having been driven about both Beijing and Shenzehn I can tell you that’ll scare the hell out of the weak.
Try googling these:
50 Worst Commutes: America’s Highways to Hell – The Daily Beast
America’s Worst Commutes – Forbes.com
GPS data gives us the Top 20 Worst Commutes
Swami Dave
September 26th, 2011
12:54 pm
It appears that the primary process is working. Unlike events of 2008 when the liberal shills in the media were waxing romantic of “leg tingles”, the eventual Republican nominee WILL actually have been vetted.
Due to the increasingly more obvious unpreparedness for the job and lack of understanding of simple economic / political history, the eventual opponent seems to be shrinking faster than any of them.
The Republican nominee is probably on the stage right now and it is pretty safe to bet that it will possibly not be Romney.
-SD
godless heathen
September 26th, 2011
12:58 pm
MIssed LA, but there was a news report on MSNBC this w/e that said that NY had the worst commute, but you want to believe that I just made it up, so be it. The point is the same. Do those places with the rally bad commutes have them because of Urban Sprawl or is because of very high density living?
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
1:01 pm
Godless heathen
The point is to be accurate.
I can tell you the problem in Shenzhen and Beiging is little or no
traffic laws.
6 lanes of traffic and the first one out of any lane can turn left….
it’s like dodgeball with automobiles.
Vinny
September 26th, 2011
1:02 pm
getalife – A turnip could beat Obama at this point. He’s the most irresponsible, immature, incapable president in history.
Normal
September 26th, 2011
1:04 pm
Butch,
“I think they’re working on an animatronic version of Reagan.”
Nah, Wouldn’t work. The Tea Party would think Reagan is too liberal and they would chase him back where he came from…the Demoratic Party.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
1:07 pm
Romney does not have a chance against McCain.
Schrodinger's cat
September 26th, 2011
1:08 pm
Both – “Are you one of those who think the “left” tried to get McCain the nomination? ”
________________________________________________________________
No McCain got his turn because no R was gonna win ala Dole…We agree on that…as far as Odrama…I agree again….we’ll have to wait and let it play out to see
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
1:09 pm
The only chance Republicans have is to nominate President Obama for the Republican ticket. He would easily become our nation’s first black Republican president.
Mr_B
September 26th, 2011
1:10 pm
“A turnip could beat Obama at this point.” But he GOP won’t run a turnip, will they?
Aquagirl
September 26th, 2011
1:10 pm
Left you a linkee downstairs for a report that found that NYC had the worst commute in the USA.
heathen, I think that was me critiquing your practice of unfounded assumptions, based on what you think maybe you heard on the TV.
I left a response shredding your assumptions downstairs. Enjoy.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
1:10 pm
I remember the reaction to the headlines a while back…y’all remember when it was leaked that the Obama campaign was preparing for Romney as the candidate…..
Ahead of us as usual.
RB from Gwinnett
September 26th, 2011
1:10 pm
Apparently Jay missed the results of the Florida straw poll this weekend. Bush lite 1 and Bush lite 2 (Romney and Perry) are not going to get support from conservatives.
We’ve got to get the early primaries out of the libereral northern states. Too many real conservatives are dropping out of the race early after poor showings in liberal land.
Jm
September 26th, 2011
1:12 pm
Well at least jay semi-admitted he can be wrong. And may be wrong again.
As far as romney’s beliefs. So what? They all sound ok to me.
That’s why I donated to his campaign today.
America needs jobs. Obama can’t deliver.
Midori
September 26th, 2011
1:13 pm
getalife – A turnip could beat Obama at this point
looks like Vinny just declared his candidacy…..
Mr_B
September 26th, 2011
1:13 pm
RB: Liberal land… like Iowa?
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
1:14 pm
In the wake of the Bush presidency, it is probably (in the first place) a bad idea to run for this office as a governor of Texas. But, on top of that, Perry seems a lot like Bush and doesn’t even seem to know it. I have a number of concerns over him, the biggest being his seeming pride and almost sense of entitlement. I will likely wind up supporting Romney, but his vacillation on key issues leads me to think he really isn’t a principled man – that he’s more about appearances. Why can’t either party seem to nominate truly exceptional candidates (and don’t even BEGIN to argue that Obama, with his razor thin credentials and involvement in Chicago politics, was such a one)? That is the most frustrating thing for I think a lot of voters. These are extremely critical times and we can ill afford another Bush or Obama at the helm.
Jm
September 26th, 2011
1:14 pm
Romney would make a great president
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
1:16 pm
Why are the Republicans not passing the jobs bill NOW. The Republicans do not care about jobs for others, only themselves.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
1:17 pm
Jm
Which Romney?
Which, BTW, is why he won’t.
St Simons - we're on Island time
September 26th, 2011
1:17 pm
“it’s not our fault, the meeeedia picks our candidate”
Maybe not the best talky-point for the party of personal responsibility
57 states, teleprompter, uppity muslin – much better
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
1:17 pm
“In the big leagues, September can be very cruel”
I agree. Just look at Obama’s pole numbers. Gallup has it @ 41% approval. Yikes!
Jm
September 26th, 2011
1:18 pm
Surprised it took so long for Jay to get his knives out for Romney….
Peter
September 26th, 2011
1:19 pm
Well Cain called Obama a liar……. would that be……. the Pot calling the Kettle Black ?
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
1:19 pm
Evangelicals would not even vote for a Catholic much less a Mormon. Romney may as well be Muslim. Republicans need to vote for Obama in their primary. Make it a write-in campaign. Republicans are guaranteed to elect their candidate then. Republicans and Democrats can then both claim Obama as their president. It’s a win-win.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 26th, 2011
1:21 pm
Jm: “Surprised it took so long for Jay to get his knives out for Romney….”
Oh he loves Willard. As do I.
Willard in 2012!!!
Jm
September 26th, 2011
1:25 pm
Granny 1:17
The one I like
Jm
September 26th, 2011
1:27 pm
Trotsky don’t worry you’ll grow to dislike him too
And why jay has been keeping his “kiss of death” in reserve for so long I just don’t know
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
1:27 pm
Jm
Now that’s an honest answer!
:ROLL:
Jm
September 26th, 2011
1:29 pm
Trotsky bad news for you
Romney won’t be reappripriating everyone’s wealth
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
1:33 pm
Jm
Any idea why Romney isn’t pumping millions into his own campaign again this year?
larry
September 26th, 2011
1:34 pm
Romney having a jobs plan?? LOL!! The same person who cost thousands of jobs through his actions at Bain? He’s gonna create jobs ?
Where’s the screen cleaner at?
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2011
1:34 pm
would that be……. the Pot calling the Kettle Black ?
Boooo…
Republicans and Democrats can then both claim Obama as their president
That way, instead of *joking* that Clinton was the best Republican president we’ve had since Ike, I can honestly say that about Obama. Swell.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 26th, 2011
1:34 pm
Jm: “Romney won’t be reappripriating everyone’s wealth”
He won’t have to.
larry
September 26th, 2011
1:37 pm
“Romney won’t be reappripriating everyone’s wealth”
You wanna bet.
thewindwhistler
September 26th, 2011
1:38 pm
When you come to a fork in the road, one leading to Gov. Perry and the other leading to Mitt Romney, take it.
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
1:38 pm
Dear Midori @ 12:34, “if you’re “that” concerned, it would follow you’ve contacted house leadership demanding they pass Obama’s jobs bill.”
I concede that there would be some justice in imposing an explicitly-labeled ObamaNomics bill onto the voting masses. I hesitate only because of the damage it would inflict on the country. Probably the best compromise would be to impose the Obama “jobs” bill only on three conditions: (1) made retroactive to Jan 2011, (2) effective for one year only, and (3) imposed only on those states that voted for the president in 2008. Sort of a poetic justice, and a fresh reminder for those voters for 2012.
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2011
1:38 pm
Just look at Obama’s pole numbers.
Freudian slip on Aisle 7…
Dave R.
September 26th, 2011
1:39 pm
The media likes a bright new shiny object to play with, thus, the hype.
This was predictable and predicted months ago by some of us.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
1:39 pm
stands
probably aisle 8 or 9
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2011
1:40 pm
probably aisle 8 or 9
stands for decibels
September 26th, 2011
1:40 pm
whoops. screwed up my “rimshot” tag after the slantie-quote @ 1.40.
Stonethrower
September 26th, 2011
1:44 pm
People still watch baseball?
Gator Joe
September 26th, 2011
1:48 pm
Jay,
Perry, like Bachman, and Palin are the perfect candidates for simple-minded, non-thinking, intolerant, Fox-brainwashed electorate on the Right. They are short on facts and real-world ideas that would actually improve the dismal economy their party created.
Disgusted
September 26th, 2011
1:49 pm
Fla. GOP sweats over Social Security—headline on Politico.com
A swing state in which more than 1 in 5 residents are 65 or over, and these dumbbells are talking about reforming programs on which these senior citizens depend? Even the state GOP recognizes that the line “We won’t cut anything for people already on Social Security and Medicare” won’t sell. Senior citizens vote, and that’s more than can be said for younger voters yearning for their private accounts.
Butch Cassidy
September 26th, 2011
1:49 pm
Ya know, politicians dealing with the job situation is a lot like an average person dealing with a homeless person.
They are aware of the problem, they can see the problem, and it would make them feel good to do something about the problem. However, it’s not a top priority, and is somewhat inconvenient to deal with right at this moment.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
1:51 pm
Hey Jay, do you ever intend to do a column about Obama’s inordinate and heavy reliance upon rhetoric, which has become increasingly disingenuous and vapid? Surely this could not have escaped your notice and, if you wished to be intellectually honest, you’d address it. I would contend that in this regard, he is not unlike Perry – that is, in his pride, he simply imagines he can talk people into seeing eye to eye with him without the use of a lot of reason or factual evidence. I mean, really – making the exemptions given to jet owners THE metaphor for the wealthy escaping paying their “fair share” of taxes as part of the deficit problem (when those taxes amount to an infinitesimal – almost microscopic – portion of the overall tax burden) is a vapid argument. But then, to repeat it like nine time in 15 minutes! Does he even realize what he sounds like? It’s like he’s trying to convince 3rd graders of the rightness of his position. He should also realize, a Mark Anthony he is not.
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
1:52 pm
Thanks, grammar mom and dad @ 1:38 and 1:39.
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
1:53 pm
“If asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a Jew, uh, as a janitor makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that with a badge of honor. I have no problem with that.”
-President Obama
this guy is a clown
Fly-On-The-Wall
September 26th, 2011
1:53 pm
Chris Christie – I’m wondering if there aren’t a few skeletons in his closet that he doesn’t want out in the public view and being in the race for POTUS would expose them. Someone of his supposed abilities plus given how the money machine on the right would back him, you’d think he would have chosen to run much sooner. My guess is, and I hope I’m wrong, is that he has something to hide.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
1:59 pm
“My guess is, and I hope I’m wrong, is that he has something to hide.”
Everybody has something to hide, I am afraid. But little can be hidden these days. The best tact is probably to humbly admit anything that could disgrace you up front and so disarm the media piranhas. A long as there is nothing too damning and it is well in the past, I suspect people would respond positively.
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
1:59 pm
“If asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a Jew”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6GuEswXOXo&feature=related – 32 D’oh’s in 15 Seconds
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:01 pm
Fly on the Wall
America will not elect a man with Chris Christies “health issues”
Jefferson
September 26th, 2011
2:01 pm
If gas keeps going down the GOP will frown…
Intown
September 26th, 2011
2:02 pm
I like the Mass. version of Mitt Romney better than the Republican presidential candidate version.
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
2:03 pm
Granny,
What’s worse…someone who is obese or someone who smokes?
chauncey
September 26th, 2011
2:03 pm
Ragnar – I like to watch
HDB
September 26th, 2011
2:03 pm
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
1:59 pm
As if Bushisms were better………I can deal with a Freudian slip……
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:04 pm
A long as there is nothing too damning and it is well in the past, I suspect people would respond positively.
strawman,
I suspect that you are wrong. Does your analysis apply to both Democrats and Republicans?
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 26th, 2011
2:05 pm
We have the spectacle of a so-called “progressive” president who after many months and with his back solidly against the wall of political reality has finally proposed .. what? A real ambitious progressive agenda? No. Just a measly little suggestion that mega-wealthy individuals pay the same tax rate as the middle class workers.
And this guy is attacked for being a “socialist” ?
Bwahahahaaa ahahahahahahahahah that’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard of.
What a crock.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
2:05 pm
FOTW — “My guess is, and I hope I’m wrong, is that he has something to hide.”
Bring me Solo and the Wookiee!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabba_the_Hutt
Generation$crewed
September 26th, 2011
2:06 pm
Are people saying that folks wouldn’t vote for Christie because he is fat?
Or does he have documented health problems?
Seems Bill Clinton was a lil heavy when he was gov of ark.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:06 pm
Talking Head
Actually it would be a former smoker and a man who is morbidly obese.
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
2:06 pm
“As if Bushisms were better………I can deal with a Freudian slip……” – I love Bushisms just as much as the next person. Fool me once….
“What’s worse…someone who is obese or someone who smokes?” – How about a man smokes as his wife parades around as a spokesperson for healthy lifestyles.
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
2:08 pm
“Actually it would be a former smoker ” – Very nice…didn’t know he finally quit. I take back my 2:06 then.
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:09 pm
intown,
Who has more “versions” of himself – McCain (circa 2004-2008) or Romney? At least with Perry you’re getting a WYSIWYG candidate.
strawman,
IMO, Perry hasn’t been hiding much; we just weren’t looking before. It is one thing to run for governor of Texas and another to run for POTUS.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:11 pm
Governor Christie and President Obama
“lil” heavy?
Steve - USA
September 26th, 2011
2:11 pm
JamVet@12:38 at the election the stock market was trending higher and home prices were still rising. People vote for their pocketbooks over everything else.
JMHO
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:13 pm
theyeshaveit
“WYSIWYG” but don’t campare written versus spoken word?
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
2:13 pm
Granny,
Whether or not Obama has kicked his tobacco habit, simply saying one is not electable because of his weight is a ridiculous statement. If as you say Obama did quit, can Christie not lose weight?
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:14 pm
Does anyone remember Chester A. Arthur?
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
2:17 pm
Are people saying that folks wouldn’t vote for Christie because he is fat?
Or does he have documented health problems?
The problem is that if he were elected, his presidential health care insurance would have to be rescinded due to pre-existing conditions and then the taxpayers would have to pick up the tab for a Lloyds of London Free Market Insurance Policy covered by an AIG-issued AAA-rated CDS which is worthless so if he ever got sick, the taxpayers would end up paying free market rates at the nearest emergency room that would demand cash in advance which we do not have and so he would have to just lay there while the Congress debated raising the debt ceiling enough to allow them to run to China and take out an emergency CRA-backed liar loan just to get him looked at and that’s not even the worst of it. Then comes the problems with that unfunded prescription drug company benefit plan.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:20 pm
I love the article on people loving his personality. This is typical of the slanted media, sell what you can of this liberal train wreck because his policies are not going to be purchased by the majority of America. This election is heading towards a landslide and you see what the libs are doing. Make it appear that even though Obama is terrible he is better then the others and they are turning it into a race issue. If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people. So typical of a weak minded group of liberals who have no idea how to run an economy let alone a country.
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:20 pm
Granny,
As republican analyst, Alex Castellanos, would say, “Perry is shooting from the lip.” And, as we know, loose lips sink ships. The Good Ship Perry is sinking.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:21 pm
Talking Heads
First I said “health issues” you do understand what the “morbid” in morbid obesity means, right?
Can Governor Christie lose weight? I hope so for his sake and the sake of his family. Mike Huckabee did.
the eyeshaveit
AS for Chester Arthur, yes we remember him, President about 150 years ago.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:21 pm
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
2:13 pm
Granny,
Whether or not Obama has kicked his tobacco habit, simply saying one is not electable because of his weight is a ridiculous statement. If as you say Obama did quit, can Christie not lose weight?
One more fact about Chrisite’s weight. He can lose weight, Obama will still be ignorant. Try to remeber that fact granny goose.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
2:22 pm
“Stop your whining, stop complaining, take off your bedroom slippers and put on your marching shoes…. we have work to do”. The words of a desperate, failing, sorry excuse for a leader lecturing his most loyal supporters about how to act. If I were them, I would have walked out of that speech with my middle finger stuck proudly in the air. His policies have hurt the very people who were most loyal to him….. 16.5% unemployment rate over all and over 45% unemployment in blacks under 23. What a clusterf**k.
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
2:23 pm
Kramer,
“If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people.” No, that was the last election. Haven’t you seen or heard the new slogan for 2012?
“In 2008 you voted for Obama to prove you weren’t a racist, Now in 2012 vote for someone else to prove you’re not an idiot.”
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:24 pm
So typical of a weak minded group of liberals who have no idea how to run an economy let alone a country.
Kramer,
I suppose it’s OK to elect a weak-minded Republican to office, like the original recipe Dubya or the crispy style W2?
out of the blue
September 26th, 2011
2:25 pm
Granny…..Great picture…That poor old smoker who runs up or down a flight of stairs without wheezing. and the darling of the republican party, the obese guy who can’t walk without wheezing.
Oh did I forget to mention Boner, and his habit?
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
2:26 pm
Granny,
So you don’t want Christie to be POTUS because he is overweight? You’re unsure about is qualifications because he is overweight? Are you a medical doctor? More specifically are you his medical doctor?
If you’re not, then you know nothing. As because you are soley basing his qualification for POTUS on his weight, you know nothing.
Peadawg
September 26th, 2011
2:27 pm
“I suppose it’s OK to elect a weak-minded Republican to office, like the original recipe Dubya or the crispy style W2?”
Since Obama is nothing but Bush-Lite, would that make him extra crispy Dubya?
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:28 pm
Kramer
Granny Goose?
Does that make you Kramer Kestral? Kiwi? Koala? Kingfisher?
You may not agree with President Obama’s policies, but when you call him “ignorant” it makes you look just that.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
2:29 pm
T. Head — “So you don’t want Christie to be POTUS because he is overweight? You’re unsure about is qualifications because he is overweight? Are you a medical doctor? More specifically are you his medical doctor?”
One wonders if you’d apply your same criticisms to the posters here who slag on Michael Moore.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
2:29 pm
Granny,
Then we can’t expect the average welfare queen to run for President anytime soon, ne’-ces-pas? Most of them spot Christie by at least 50#.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
2:30 pm
“I suspect that you are wrong. Does your analysis apply to both Democrats and Republicans?”
Yes. Part of the problem is that people pine for near perfect human beings and there is no such thing. I would personally be much more comfortable with someone who has messed up in the past, changed and overcome than someone who is trying to project a perfect image of him or her self.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:30 pm
GREAT POINT talking head and the independents are not going to vote for this guy again. He is the living example of insanity which is doing the same stuff that does not work over and over again. To bad we still have another year of his insanity. Hope we can take it.
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:32 pm
For anyone who thinks that those who disagree with him are the only stupid people in the world, there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MT3CihStFQ
Aquagirl
September 26th, 2011
2:32 pm
If I were them, I would have walked out of that speech with my middle finger stuck proudly in the air.
You stay classy, kayaker.
Talking Head
September 26th, 2011
2:33 pm
Joe Mama,
“One wonders if you’d apply your same criticisms to the posters here who slag on Michael Moore.”
To my knowledge, Micahel Moore meets every basic requirement to be POTUS. Although in my personal opinion, I don’t think he would run. He bashes capitalism in his “work”, yet profits off the very system he discourages others from supporting. For Michael Moore, talk is cheap.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
2:33 pm
K71 — “Then we can’t expect the average welfare queen to run for President anytime soon, ne’-ces-pas? Most of them spot Christie by at least 50#.”
Evidence, please.
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:33 pm
Peadawg,
No. Your syllogism has an error.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:33 pm
Talking Head
None of the above. He has been a ineffective Governor who’s approval in his own state has tanked. If he does roll out a campaign we can talk about his other issues…..for example
Christie’s Talk Is Blunt, but Not Always Straight
My statement remains, America won’t elect a man with his “health issues”.
Doggone/GA
September 26th, 2011
2:34 pm
“AS for Chester Arthur, yes we remember him, President about 150 years ago”
and he gained a lot of weight while he was President, and lost most of it again after his term was over
1811/0311
September 26th, 2011
2:34 pm
” …. they are perilously close to going home early in what would be a pair of record-setting collapses.
Rick Perry can surely relate.”
OBAMA CAN SURELY RELATE !
“You can’t not make ‘em come (vote)” ……………….. Yogi ! ………..
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
2:35 pm
T. Head — “He bashes capitalism in his “work”
No, he doesn’t.
“yet profits off the very system he discourages others from supporting.”
Specifics, please. When, where and how has he ‘discouraged’ others from ’supporting’ capitalism, please?
“For Michael Moore, talk is cheap.”
So you say. Evidence, please. Can you substantiate your *own* charges, or is talk as cheap for you as you claim it is for Moore?
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
2:35 pm
…the independents are not going to vote for this guy again.
I don’t see independents voting for Perry.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
2:36 pm
Aquagirl,
He could have done so much. And we needed him to at least try to heal the racial rift in this country. He has just tossed the whole black community aside. From the way they are responding to their leader, they are not happy campers. And we are just hearing what the CBC is saying in public. Can you imagine what they are saying behind closed doors?
1811/0311
September 26th, 2011
2:37 pm
“Obama says Republicans would ‘cripple’ America… ”
He “has” crippled America !
President DIVIDER !
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:37 pm
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
2:35 pm
…the independents are not going to vote for this guy again.
I don’t see independents voting for Perry.
They won’t be, they will be voting for Romney in mass.
1811/0311
September 26th, 2011
2:38 pm
Kammie:
“I don’t see independents voting for Perry.”
………….. you may be right and they won’t vote for Obama either. The more that stay home the better it is for the Repulican candidate !!!!
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:38 pm
Joe Mama,
I agree with much of what Michael Moore has said and done, but I am not enamored of him as a personality. On the other hand, I like Ronald Reagan, but could not agree with much he said or did.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
2:38 pm
“You may not agree with President Obama’s policies, but when you call him “ignorant” it makes you look just that.”
Ignorance means simply not knowing. We are all ignorant to some extent – Obama included. I personally think his actions display a palpable lack of wisdom (he doesn’t really seem to understand what makes people tick – that, for instance, publicly scolding Congress when you are trying to negotiate a bill buys you adversity and not cooperation), which is a form of ignorance. He simply wasn’t up for this job (and I’m not sure there are many that are) .
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
2:39 pm
They won’t be, they will be voting for Romney in mass.
Romney’s name won’t be on the ballot in the general election.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
2:39 pm
Joe Mama,
Just come on down to Macon and take a stroll through the local Wall Mart. That’s all the evidence you need.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
2:40 pm
1811 — SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (arms flailing)
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
2:40 pm
I can see Perry splitting the Independent Tea Party vote with Bachmann.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
2:41 pm
K71 – “Just come on down to Macon and take a stroll through the local Wall Mart. That’s all the evidence you need.”
Thanks, K71. I didn’t *think* you could.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
2:42 pm
“He has been a ineffective Governor…”
Says who? No doubt he has numerous detractors, but you paint a monochromatic picture which is, of course, false.
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
2:42 pm
Ok – Thought I’d jump in and point out that, yet again, repugs continue to repeate lie #175:
If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people.
[That comment is] So typical of a weak minded group of
liberalsrepubs who have no idea how to run an economy let alone a country.Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:42 pm
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
2:39 pm
Romney’s name won’t be on the ballot in the general election.
Oh, I think it will be. And if not, who ever is on the ballot will beat Obama.
jm
September 26th, 2011
2:43 pm
“As for Perry? Well, as Yogi also noted, “the future ain’t what it used to be.””
Fundraising stats in a week.
1811/0311
September 26th, 2011
2:44 pm
Headline (ABC) : “Doc Botches Surgery, Gives Woman ‘Uniboob’ …”
Ah ……………………………. nevermind.
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:44 pm
I can see Perry splitting the Independent Tea Party vote with Bachmann.
TaxPayer,
Maybe so, but what is the TeaParty approval rating these days? Around 32% when I last checked.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
2:45 pm
Who was it in Texas politics that said that if George W. Bush and Rick Perry were brothers, George would be the smart one? It appears they know their politicians down there!
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:45 pm
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
2:42 pm
Ok – Thought I’d jump in and point out that, yet again, repugs continue to repeate lie #175:
If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people.
[That comment is] So typical of a weak minded group of liberals repubs who have no idea how to run an economy let alone a country.
Original debbie but, liberals own the market on racism and using it as a weapon. Remember little ms doright, if it was not for the Republicans Civil Rights would not have passed. The dems figured out a long time ago how to control a minority through government programs. How is that hopey and changey working so far? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
1811/0311
September 26th, 2011
2:45 pm
Joe Mama @ 2:40
You can do better than that ……………………..
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:46 pm
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
2:45 pm
Who was it in Texas politics that said that if George W. Bush and Rick Perry were brothers, George would be the smart one? It appears they know their politicians down there!
And both are more inteligent then Obama. Go figure.
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
2:47 pm
publicly scolding Congress when you are trying to negotiate a bill buys you adversity and not cooperation), which is a form of ignorance. He simply wasn’t up for this job
Huh?
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:48 pm
Oh, I think it will be. And if not, who ever is on the ballot will beat Obama.
Kramer,
Really now? Like Bachmann? Cain? Paul? Huntsman? Santorum? Newt?
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
2:48 pm
Oh, I think it will be.
Again — evangelicals have chosen the Republican presidential nominee since Nixon. Unless and until the non evangelicals publicly kick them out of the bed they have been sharing for forty years, evangelicals will continue to choose the Republican nominee for president.
Evangelicals will not nominate a man that wears magic underpants over Perry.
I don’t believe that independents will vote for another Texas train-wreck.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
2:48 pm
“If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people.”
And the opposition to Obama that has been labelled as “racist” – is that a fiction? The plain fact is that SOME people on the left see Obama’s presidency in racial terms. So your calling the assertion some cons have made (and which I don’t maintain) a lie is a lie as well. It is more accurate to call it a gross and unfair exaggeration, since there is a kernel of truth to it.
Honky Talkin'
September 26th, 2011
2:48 pm
Cheering for executions and booing a soldier in Iraq should really appeal to independents. Also, denying climate change and evolution will score big points.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
2:49 pm
Kramer
And how would you know? You’re a do-nothing, know-nothing Republican, right? Sheeesh!
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
2:51 pm
Original debbie but, liberals own the market on racism and using it as a weapon. Remember little ms doright, if it was not for the Republicans Civil Rights would not have passed. ….blahblah….blah….blah…blah…blah…blah…
You know what I can’t understand? How a repug can quote history from 40+ years back, but can’t remember GWB’s policies and practices from just 8 year ago; or how the republcan congress / senate /president screwed up the economy and the war.
BTW it was a Democratic President, LBJ who pushed for Equal Rights and signed the bill. If you’re going to cite history at least cite ALL the history! Don’t handpick only the stuff you like….
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:53 pm
theyeshaveit
September 26th, 2011
2:48 pm
Oh, I think it will be. And if not, who ever is on the ballot will beat Obama.
Kramer,
Really now? Like Bachmann? Cain? Paul? Huntsman? Santorum? Newt?
Another year of Obama and they would vote for anyone of those candiates and even Jeff Foxworthy or Snoop Dog. The guy is ignorant to the responsibilities of the position. Exampl, he is out fund raising this week instead of working to get the economy going with ideas. Why? because it is easier for him then coming up with ideas. Blame others and do not do a thing.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 26th, 2011
2:53 pm
Well, I’ll say the same thing about Christie that I say about the missus: he ain’t fat; he’s just big-boned. And besides, there’s some kind of gland problem that causes everything he eats to turn into flab.
Besides, Christie ain’t near the size of President William Howard Taft. Taft tipped the scales at just under 500 lbs. Once he went on vacation and wrote a friend he had just got back from horseback riding. The friend wrote back, “How’s the horse?”
As somebody that’s married to a real big-boned woman, I don’t take kindly to folks that rant about fat people.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
2:54 pm
Perry and Romney are not the only ones in the hunt. Either Cain, Santorum or Gingrich would make an excellent candidate. We have over a year left…. lots of time. Early in the previous election, McCain wasn’t even in the top 5 candidates one year prior to the election. Guliani and Thompson were one and two and look what happened to them. If Herman keeps surfacing as the only sane one of the bunch, will I still be a racist if I don’t vote for Bozo?
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
2:54 pm
And the opposition to Obama that has been labelled as “racist” – is that a fiction? The plain fact is that SOME people on the left see Obama’s presidency in racial terms. So your calling the assertion some cons have made (and which I don’t maintain) a lie is a lie as well. It is more accurate to call it a gross and unfair exaggeration, since there is a kernel of truth to it.
It IS a lie. Please post the comment (with links) that anyone on the left has EVER said “If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people.” I’ll wait.
1811/0311
September 26th, 2011
2:55 pm
As I heard today, “Obama has been in office as long as Kennedy but it’s still Bush’s fault”.
YOU OWN IT BARRY !
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:56 pm
Strawman
You will believe what you wish.
Keep in mind we wouldn’t even be having this discussion if
the GOP bench had some real players on it.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
2:56 pm
Joe Mama,
Seriously? You don’t think Michael Moore is anti-capitalism? You have got to be kidding. Right?
From that bastion of conservatism the Huffington Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/23/michael-moore-says-capita_n_296090.html
And I seriously doubt a guy who makes a movie “Capitalism- A love Story” is being complimentary of capitalism in that movie. If someone believes that then they probably believe in the tooth fairy.
According to the filmmaker, his previous work about subjects as varied as automakers and health care all relate to capitalism. Moore: “These are all spokes to the hub. And that hub is capitalism. And it’s a system that’s anti-American, meaning that it’s anti-democratic.”
Moore also said that capitalism is anti-Jesus and goes against the major religions. “It goes completely against the values of Jesus and Moses and Mohamed and Buddha… You will be judged by how you treat the poor.”
Bosch
September 26th, 2011
2:56 pm
So the Rickster has already fizzled out?
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:57 pm
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
2:51 pm
You know what I can’t understand? How a repug can quote history from 40+ years back, but can’t remember GWB’s policies and practices from just 8 year ago; or how the republcan congress / senate /president screwed up the economy and the war.
BTW it was a Democratic President, LBJ who pushed for Equal Rights and signed the bill. If you’re going to cite history at least cite ALL the history! Don’t handpick only the stuff you like….
First off little debbie, a President does not get squat through without Congress and even Al Gore’s own father voted against the civil rights act.Second, your man has been in now almost 3 years and you all still want to blame Bush. Not working little debbie. Only resinates in liberal circles. The independents have left that boat along time ago. And remember little debbie, without the independent vote, you lose. Come Novemeber 2012, you lose.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
2:58 pm
And both are more inteligent then Obama. Go figure.
I don’t picture you as the type that knows what “Magna Cum Laude” means.
Bosch
September 26th, 2011
2:58 pm
“You don’t think Michael Moore is anti-capitalism?”
Oh Jesus, do you guys just HAVE to be so black and white? Yeah, I’m sure a millionaire like Moore is soooooo anti-capitalistic. Give me a break.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:58 pm
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
2:56 pm
Strawman
You will believe what you wish.
Keep in mind we wouldn’t even be having this discussion if
the GOP bench had some real players on it.
You keep believing that granny goose. By the way, where do you stand regarding Cain gg? This ought to be real good.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
2:59 pm
The thin, trim Michael Moore has made over 40M with his hate movies. He is one of those evil people who fly around in corporate jets. Looks like capitalism has been pretty good to ole Michael.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:59 pm
Bosch
September 26th, 2011
2:58 pm
“You don’t think Michael Moore is anti-capitalism?”
Oh Jesus, do you guys just HAVE to be so black and white? Yeah, I’m sure a millionaire like Moore is soooooo anti-capitalistic. Give me a break.
And what would you call him bosch? Just a deep thinker?
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:00 pm
1811 — “You can do better than that ……”
So can YOU.
jm
September 26th, 2011
3:01 pm
politico today
The 2012 election will not be an up-or-down vote on Obama, but rather a choice between the president and another candidate, so head-to-head match-ups against the top GOP candidates are a better test of Obama’s electoral strength.
The survey indicates that Romney fares best against Obama. It’s basically all tied up with 49 percent for Obama and 48 percent for Romney in a hypothetical two-way match-up. According to the poll, Obama holds a five point margin over Perry, 51 percent to 46 percent.
Continue Reading
In a hypothetical matchup between Paul and Obama, the president holds a four point margin, 51 percent to 47 percent. Obama handily beats Bachmann and Palin in two-way match-ups. But keep in mind, as always, that polls taken more than a year before the election have little or no predictive value.
Obama’s ace-in-the-hole remains the fact that he is personally more popular than his policies. According to the poll, his favorable rating, which measures reactions to him personally, is eight points higher than his job approval rating. Fifty-two percent of all Americans disagree with him on issues, but 58 percent believe he has the personality and leadership qualities a president should have. And by a 49 to 43 percent margin, Americans say that personal qualities are more important than issues to their vote for president.
Only Romney matches up well with Obama on both of those measures. Six in ten Americans say Romney has the personal qualities a president should have, compared to only 45 percent who feel that way about Perry.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64423.html#ixzz1Z5RA9gkx
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
3:01 pm
Kramer
Well I have tried his pizza, and it sucks.
My favorite is his keeping his economic advisors a “secret”
I do give him credit with breaking with the GOP on disaster funding today.
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
3:02 pm
“Please post the comment (with links) that anyone on the left has EVER said “If you do not vote for Obama then you must hate black people.”
Please read my post carefully. I said opposition to Obama (I haven’t bothered to research whether or not someone has said if you didn’t vote for him you are racist but I would not be surprised in the least if it had been said by more than one person). Now, what is the difference between opposition to Obama (his policies, his speeches, etc.) and not voting for him? Do you see some kind of big divide there? The fact is, SOME people see opposition to Obama as racist. Do you deny that? Stop splitting hairs and acting dumb.
Mick
September 26th, 2011
3:02 pm
1811
Not so fast, this country was left in economic ruins when obama walked into that office. Now you can debate that in three years he hasn’t been able to “fix it”, but then who could? The reality is that the real estate crash will take another 6 or 7 years to settle no matter who is president…
Strawman
September 26th, 2011
3:03 pm
“The thin, trim Michael Moore has made over 40M with his hate movies. He is one of those evil people who fly around in corporate jets. Looks like capitalism has been pretty good to ole Michael.”
Some liberals are more equal than others (the same goes with conservatives).
Schrodinger's cat
September 26th, 2011
3:04 pm
Taxpayer – Independent Tea Party??
What the heck is that?
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2011
3:05 pm
Economic policy failed for three reasons: (1) policymakers focused on enabling offshoring corporations to move middle class jobs, and the consumer demand, tax base, GDP, and careers associated with the jobs, to foreign countries, such as China and India, where labor is inexpensive; (2) policymakers permitted financial deregulation that unleashed fraud and debt leverage on a scale previously unimaginable; (3) policymakers responded to the resulting financial crisis by imposing austerity on the population and running the printing press in order to bail out banks and prevent any losses to the banks regardless of the cost to national economies and innocent parties.
[I]n the last 10 years, the US lost 54,621 factories, and manufacturing employment fell by 5 million employees.
The wage differential is substantial. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of 2009, average hourly take-home pay for US workers was $23.03. Social insurance expenditures add $7.90 to hourly compensation and benefits paid by employers add $2.60 per hour for a total labor compensation cost of $33.53.
In China as of 2008, total hourly labor cost was $1.36, and India’s is within a few cents of this amount. Thus, a corporation that moves 1,000 jobs to China saves saves $32,000 every hour in labor cost.These savings translate into higher stock prices and executive compensation, not in lower prices for consumers who are left unemployed by the labor arbitrage.
Most emphasis is on the lost manufacturing jobs. However, the high speed Internet has made it possible to offshore many professional service jobs, such as software engineering, Information Technology, research and design. Jobs that comprised ladders of upward mobility for US college graduates have been moved offshore, thus reducing the value to Americans of many university degrees. Unlike former times, today an increasing number of graduates return home to live with their parents as there are insufficient jobs to support their independent existence.
All the while, the US government allows in each year one million legal immigrants, an unknown number of illegal immigrants, and a large number of foreign workers on H-1B and L-1 work visas. In other words, the policies of the US government maximize the unemployment rate of American citizens.
Republican economists and politicians pretend that this is not the case and that unemployed Americans consist of people too lazy to work who game the welfare system. Republicans pretend that cutting unemployment benefits and social assistance will force “lazy people who are living off the taxpayers” to go to work.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
3:05 pm
1811 — “You can do better than that ……”
So can YOU.
Have you seen Scout’s “Birther Series.”
ragnar danneskjold
September 26th, 2011
3:05 pm
Dear Taxpayer @ 2:58, Chauncey is the sort of fellow who can publish a beautiful discourse on the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin, thus a well-deserved MCL. The republican candidates are smart enough to realize that sort of knowledge is worthless, and worse, leads to the delusion that he is better qualified to make decisions for Americans than they are for themselves. The conceit of “superior” intellect.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch,
Michael Moore is indeed a capitalist. He just doesn’t know it though due to his status as being the nation’s biggest hypocrite. Michael Moore making mega millions deriding America and the capitalist system. It just doesn’t get any Moore ironical.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
3:06 pm
Taxpayer – Independent Tea Party??
What the heck is that?
A Republican in denial. We have a few of them posting here.
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
3:07 pm
Al Gore’s own father voted against the civil rights act.Second, your man has been in now almost 3 years and you all still want to blame Bush. Not working little debbie.
See this ^^^^ is what i mean. You can bring up/blame something AL GORE’S father did / did not do 40+ years ago, cite it as an example of a “Sin FOREVAH”; but then in the same breath, say “You Can’t Blame Bush Now Debbie!!!”
I wonder if you even SEE the disconnect there? Oh well, probably not. There’s this saying about seeing the forest for the trees, or something like that — I think it pertains to you.
Bosch
September 26th, 2011
3:07 pm
“And what would you call him bosch?”
A filmmaker.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
3:08 pm
Moore is such a hypocrite. He rails on about how those evil capitalists are ruining the country but does not stop to admit that in the type of country that the advocates, he would never have been able to achieve what he has done. I wonder about those protestors on Wall Street today. Wonder if they took time off from their jobs to protest?
jm
September 26th, 2011
3:08 pm
look upstairs peeps
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
3:09 pm
Who was Kramer before he was Kramer?
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:09 pm
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
3:01 pm
Kramer
Well I have tried his pizza, and it sucks.
My favorite is his keeping his economic advisors a “secret”
I do give him credit with breaking with the GOP on disaster funding toda
Well garnny that was the best response I have seen from you lately. I would vote for him today.
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
3:10 pm
Well gotta go — I’m over on the ESPN blog battling with all those bitter, looser Texas fans (Sorry Paul, not you); crying about Texas A&M coming into the SEC in 2012. I just got 15 pop-ups to my post. hee hee heee
And I can’t WAIT to slam these loosers hard with some FACTS!! Later Gators!
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
3:10 pm
The conceit of “superior” intellect.
Whatever it takes to make a C in Economics look good to ya, dude. Relatively speaking, of course. I take it you suffered through school much like Perry and Bush.
Bosch
September 26th, 2011
3:11 pm
“Michael Moore making mega millions deriding America and the capitalist system.”
Another example of people who can not distinguish between criticism and hate.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:11 pm
To run against the president – Bush – who gave us this economic mess AND his party that has done nothing but obstruct ever since, is a much better position to be in than a Republican candidate who wants a return to Bushonomics! Do you think the American people can’t see this?
Hopefully, this election will bring the permanent end to radical Republican obstructionism. The American people are tired of the self-serving crap!
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:11 pm
Doom — “Joe Mama, Seriously? You don’t think Michael Moore is anti-capitalism? You have got to be kidding. Right?”
Nope.
“From that bastion of conservatism the Huffington Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/23/michael-moore-says-capita_n_296090.html”
I’m pretty sure that you already know that I don’t care for the Huffington Post.
“And I seriously doubt a guy who makes a movie “Capitalism- A love Story” is being complimentary of capitalism in that movie. If someone believes that then they probably believe in the tooth fairy. ”
If you have a specific and substantive criticism of anything in that movie, then trot it on out, Cowboy.
“According to the filmmaker, his previous work about subjects as varied as automakers and health care all relate to capitalism. Moore: “These are all spokes to the hub. And that hub is capitalism. And it’s a system that’s anti-American, meaning that it’s anti-democratic.”
You must not have seen the movie. I vividly recall a section of the movie in which he waxes poetic about his youth and the many benefits his family enjoyed *as a result of living in a capitalist system.*
“Moore also said that capitalism is anti-Jesus and goes against the major religions. “It goes completely against the values of Jesus and Moses and Mohamed and Buddha… You will be judged by how you treat the poor.”
I disagree. My recollection of the film is that Moore explains that *the excesses* of capitalism as it is currently *practiced and defended* is as you describe it. Moore doesn’t categorically reject capitalism; far from it. He points out how his own family benefited from it, yet he also points out how capitalism is quick to abandon current employees and factories when cheaper labor becomes available overseas. It is the fickleness of capitalism and its excesses that he ridicules in his film, IMO.
Have you actually seen it, Doom?
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:11 pm
Actually Al Gore has made more money riding the hypocrisy train than Michael Moore. If kayaker is right and Moore has only made a paltry 40 million then he’s got nothing on the mega carbon footprint corporate jet flying Al Gore. Gore has made an estimated 100 million or more as he globetrots around touting green projects like Solyndra while making millions on bogus global warming movies and in green investments. The Democrat limousine liberal hypocrisy train- Do as I say. Not as I do.
Schrodinger's cat
September 26th, 2011
3:12 pm
TaxPayer
Don’t confuse Tea Party activists with Independents…At least try and learn “who” is the opposition.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:12 pm
DebbieDoRight
September 26th, 2011
3:07 pm
Al Gore’s own father voted against the civil rights act.Second, your man has been in now almost 3 years and you all still want to blame Bush. Not working little debbie.
See this ^^^^ is what i mean. You can bring up/blame something AL GORE’S father did / did not do 40+ years ago, cite it as an example of a “Sin FOREVAH”; but then in the same breath, say “You Can’t Blame Bush Now Debbie!!!”
I wonder if you even SEE the disconnect there? Oh well, probably not. There’s this saying about seeing the forest for the trees, or something like that — I think it pertains to you.
Uh, stay with me little debbie. I did not blame Gore’s father because the biull passed inspite of his ignorance. As far as Bush goes he made many mistakes but, I would take him over Obama any day of the week because at least he put his ideas out. Not to mention that when you dems took over both houses on 2008 he never blamed anything on the dems. Unlike the little child we have now who takes credit for all, even work he had nothing to do with, and takes no accountability for HIS failures. Which are many. The guy will pay for it in 2012.
chauncey
September 26th, 2011
3:13 pm
Ragnar @ 3:05 – the economy is like a garden….it must be tended…and sometimes pruned…and now if you look out your window – perhaps you will see me as I walk upon the water…to the tune of 2001 (disco style) in the background
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:13 pm
TaxPayer — “Have you seen Scout’s “Birther Series.”
I have. It’s as much fun as the doomer bulletin boards in the runup to Y2K.
Granny Godzilla
September 26th, 2011
3:14 pm
Kramer
I wouldn’t be in the least surprised.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2011
3:14 pm
I’ve got a pretty good idea of who the “Tea Party” is, cat.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:15 pm
Doom — “Michael Moore is indeed a capitalist. He just doesn’t know it though due to his status as being the nation’s biggest hypocrite.”
Okay. It’s pretty obvious you didn’t see the movie. Go watch it, Doom.
“Michael Moore making mega millions deriding America and the capitalist system. It just doesn’t get any Moore ironical.”
You’re so mistaken, Doom. So, so in error. What a shame, Doom. It’s a shame because I know you’re smarter than that.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:15 pm
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:11 pm
To run against the president – Bush – who gave us this economic mess AND his party that has done nothing but obstruct ever since, is a much better position to be in than a Republican candidate who wants a return to Bushonomics! Do you think the American people can’t see this?
Hopefully, this election will bring the permanent end to radical Republican obstructionism. The American people are tired of the self-serving crap!
OK, tell us all what Obama’s plan is to improve the economy. He had both houses for two years and did nothing. Please explain just three points he wants to put in place that will improve the economy. Come on Tom I know you can do this.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:17 pm
K71 — “Moore is such a hypocrite. He rails on about how those evil capitalists are ruining the country but does not stop to admit that in the type of country that the advocates, he would never have been able to achieve what he has done.”
Shrug. It’s pretty clear to me that you didn’t see his film, either.
“I wonder about those protestors on Wall Street today. Wonder if they took time off from their jobs to protest?”
Tu quoque again? Geez, come up with something new.
out of the blue
September 26th, 2011
3:17 pm
The republican party shaking their collective heads after the last debate….Murmuring ….
“Been in this game one-hundred years, but I see new ways to lose ‘em I never knew existed before.”
Or…….”Can’t anybody here play this game?”
Casey Stengel
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
3:18 pm
Doom,
Some interesting news about Solyndra today. Seems that the California Democratic Party might have been one of Solyndra’s creditors. Can you spell money laundering scheme, anyone? From the government, to Solyndra and back to the Democrats. The FBI swoops in for their records, Bozo and his DOJ are not saying a word and all of their corporate execs take the 5th. The smell of fish is getting stronger and stronger.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:19 pm
Come on Tom Middleton, three points. Tick…tick…tick.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:21 pm
Some interesting news about Solyndra today. Seems that the California Democratic Party might have been one of Solyndra’s creditors. Can you spell money laundering scheme, anyone? From the government, to Solyndra and back to the Democrats. The FBI swoops in for their records, Bozo and his DOJ are not saying a word and all of their corporate execs take the 5th. The smell of fish is getting stronger and stronger.
Hey Tom Middleton, you were right about the self serving that the American people are getting tired of. You were talking about the democratic party right?
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:22 pm
Joe Mama,
Nope. Haven’t seen Moore’s movie. I read enough reviews on it to see it for what his movies always are- nothing more than one sided propoganda. Why would I waste my time on someone that everyone knows is a kook? I wouldn’t waste any more time on his nonsensical crap then I would reading Aryan nation propoganda. Here is one of the reviews that pretty much typifies a Michael Moore movie.
The premise of Moore’s film is simple: Capitalism is severely hurting our society, and if not stopped could lead to its downfall (like hubris causing the fall of ancient Rome). Moore uses a variety of evidence to support his claim, including personal anecdotes, historical footage, Moore’s own rants, interviews with politicians and economic experts and a new addition — my personal favorite — Youtube videos, including the famous fake Cleveland (“We’re not Detroit”) tourism video. And of course, like “Sicko” and “Bowling for Columbine,” Moore presents his evidence in a clever and funny way that makes it nearly impossible for the viewer to holistically reject his viewpoint. Forgot to copy and paste but this review was from the Yale Daily news.
Schrodinger's cat
September 26th, 2011
3:23 pm
TaxPayer – Considering 4 in 10 Tea Party folks are self proclaimed Indies (28%) or Dems (13%), I’d say you don’t
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
3:23 pm
Nope. Haven’t seen Moore’s movie.
There’s your sign.
Paul
September 26th, 2011
3:23 pm
Bosch
“So the Rickster has already fizzled out?”
Thank heavens. Only downside is, we still keep him as governor. For the good of the country, it’s a cross I’m willing to bear.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:25 pm
Schrdinger’s cat, don’t waste your time trying to explain the Tea Party to liberals. They can not understand the platform and know only what Bill Maher tells them.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:25 pm
kayaker,
Yes. I saw that they listed the California Democratic Party as a creditor. Apparently the executives at Solyndra are so stupid that they couldn’t see that there could be a teenie weenie bit of a problem with listing the Democratic party as a creditor after their swindal of well over a half billion dollars of U.S. taxpayer money.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
Kramer
Ah, he’s created more jobs in his three years than your Bush did in all his eight? Thanks, K, for giving me such an easy one!
Oh, and since it was Bachmann first, then Romney, then Perry, and now Cain, who are you going to turn to when every candidate has had his or her moment in the Republican sun and then thrown out, Bachmann again? Oh goody, goody, goody, we win!
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
3:23 pm
Nope. Haven’t seen Moore’s movie.
There’s your sign.
Translation: Kammy the poo thinks Michal Moore is credible. It doesn’t get any funnier than that.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
Tom Middleton, your stage awaits! Three policies that Obama want to place to improve the economy. Come on now, you can do this. And any of you other liberals who want to take a stab at this questions please enlighten us.
Paul
September 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
TaxPayer
“I don’t picture you as the type that knows what “Magna Cum Laude” means.’
Lessee… ‘magna’ is either magnet or… magma! And laude is like…loud! So it’s gotta be “Volcanoes are Loud!”
But what’s that got to do with graduating college?!!?
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:29 pm
Doom — “Nope. Haven’t seen Moore’s movie. I read enough reviews on it to see it for what his movies always are- nothing more than one sided propoganda.”
Shrug. Then your opinions on its content are without merit.
“Why would I waste my time on someone that everyone knows is a kook?”
So you’d actually *know* what you were talking about.
“I wouldn’t waste any more time on his nonsensical crap then I would reading Aryan nation propoganda.”
It’s a shame you take that view of it, because he’s not saying what you claim he does.
“Here is one of the reviews that pretty much typifies a Michael Moore movie.”
Shrug. I think we both know that any given review doesn’t reflect every viewer’s opinion of a movie.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:30 pm
Read, Kramer. Look up!
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
3:30 pm
Translation: Kammy the poo thinks Michal Moore is credible.
Never said that.
You however have been opining about a movie that you have admitted not seeing and simply parroting what you’ve been told.
Too funny
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:30 pm
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
Kramer
Ah, he’s created more jobs in his three years than your Bush did in all his eight? Thanks, K, for giving me such an easy one!
Oh my God, all this time for that moronic post? OK, lets say you are right. he has also lost more jobs then Bush did in 8 years. What a joke you are, all that time for three policies and you post that garbage. OK little boy, time to get back to your homework. That was halarious! Sad but, halarious!
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:31 pm
Okay. It’s pretty obvious you didn’t see the movie. Go watch it, Doom- Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
We’ll have to discuss other issues. I can’t take you or anybody for that matter seriously if they view Michael Moore as a credible person. It would be like trying to take a flat earther seriously.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:31 pm
Doom — “Kammy the poo thinks Michal Moore is credible. It doesn’t get any funnier than that.”
Translation — Doom will misrepresent both Moore’s movie and Kamchak’s position in order to make his rhetorical point.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:32 pm
But,,,but,,,but,,,it’s true Kramer! LOLOL
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:33 pm
Next!
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:33 pm
Kammy,
Sorry sport but I can’t take anyone seriously that would view a kook like Michael Moore or his nutty movies in any serious fashion. The man is without an ounce of credibility. As are you. Dismissed.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:33 pm
Doom — “Joe Mama, We’ll have to discuss other issues. I can’t take you or anybody for that matter seriously if they view Michael Moore as a credible person.”
I will give you $1000 if you can show me where I ever called Michael Moore credible. Please show me where I ever said such a thing, Doom. I’m waiting.
“It would be like trying to take a flat earther seriously.”
I hope to be able to take *you* seriously.
HDB
September 26th, 2011
3:35 pm
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
2:57 pm
If you want to state history CORRECTLY…..please remember this:
The REPUBLICANS that assisted in the passage of the Civil Rights Acts..were members of the LIBERAL to MODERATE Wing of the GOP…the “Rockefeller Republicans”! Southern CONSERVATIVES voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act! Also note that under DEMOCRATS (FDR and Harry Truman), the orders to desegregate the military were issued!! Since 1964, CONSERVATIVES went to the GOP because of their racist paradigm! Note Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”, Reagan’s “states’ rights”, Lee Atwater’s campaigns for GHWB…..the evidence speaks VOLUMES!!!
Selective amnesia isn’t becoming…….
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:36 pm
You got a point there Thulsa, you got a great point.
HDB
September 26th, 2011
3:36 pm
Jay….is there are reason for moderation? Haven’t used any forbidden words…..???
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:37 pm
Next? You haven’t even answered the question Toomy boy. For the good of your party, list three policies Obama wants to enact for the recovery of the economy. Next?
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
3:37 pm
Sorry sport but I can’t take anyone seriously that would view a kook like Michael Moore or his nutty movies in any serious fashion.
I never made any claim that Moore is credible or to be taken seriously.
I have been mocking you for opining about something that you know nothing about.
The funny thing is that you openly admitted that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:37 pm
Joe Mama,
Sorry but rational and reasonable people do not take kooks like Michael Moore seriously. They just don’t. Now if you watch him purely for humor that’s one thing. But you really have to question the sanity of anyone who would consider this man’s propoganda to be of any consequence.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:38 pm
Kramer: Conservatives own the market on victimization. No matter what is going on, they are the poor saps hit hardest by everything in the world. “Class warfare” is a losing argument when you’re trying to say billionaires are helpless victims.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:39 pm
Kamchak, you just used a Bill O’Reilly word, opining. I knew you were a Fox news watcher. Way to go big guy!
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:41 pm
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:38 pm
Kramer: Conservatives own the market on victimization. No matter what is going on, they are the poor saps hit hardest by everything in the world. “Class warfare” is a losing argument when you’re trying to say billionaires are helpless victims.
Really Adam? Give us all an example of a conservative doing the very thing you are stating. Then I will give you 10 times that Obama has used the victim stance in the last week.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:41 pm
Doom — “Sorry but rational and reasonable people do not take kooks like Michael Moore seriously. They just don’t.”
Sorry, Doom, but rational and reasonable people don’t make claims about content in films that they haven’t seen. They just don’t.
“Now if you watch him purely for humor that’s one thing. But you really have to question the sanity of anyone who would consider this man’s propoganda to be of any consequence.”
Got a thousand bucks for you if you can show me where I said any such thing, Doom.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:43 pm
Jeez. You people getting on Michael Moore’s case because he makes money. Yeah, everyone who is anti-capitalist should have NO MONEY. Just like artists. Someone is SUCH a hypocrite if they use their abilities to make money in order to attack what they participate in. Kinda like how some people in a government job talk about how government doesn’t create jobs, or that people running for office promise to get rid of government.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:44 pm
kamchak,
Sorry dude but I don’t have to view his actual movie to know its of no merit. Simple read the reviews, look at the past movies he has made of which I’ve seen one, watch his kookiness in interviews, and that’s all you need to know.
If the Aryan nation’s make a movie and you automatically dismiss it as nonsense because of the source are you a fool for dismissing the movie immediately without seeing it because you know the source of the movie? Get back to me on that one. And while you ponder that then maybe you will realize the magnitude of just how silly your point was.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Kramer,
I can name a few that didn’t work. Any liberals who want to dispute, fire away.
Cash for Clunkers….. ended up costing the taxpayer nearly double what the government said it would and didn’t accomplish a single damned thing.
The First Stimulus…. an additional money laundering scheme that produced no shovel ready jobs, put us nearly a trillion more dollars in debt and proved what a smart president we have.
Bozocare….. a health care disaster that will cost us more than we have to fund it and make it work and will create more government red tape and lower doctors fees, intrude on our personal lives by telling us that the government can mandate that we purchase a commodity and produce a healthcare system that ultimately tosses old people under the bus , run by a government with a track record that no one could wish for.
Fast and Furious…. a brilliantly conceived plan to trace assault weapons back to their origin. Not to mention that it also created over 1500 weapons for the cartels to use at will and ended up killing at least two of our own border agents. Heads rolled, everyone in the DOJ ran for the doors…. but no one ended up taking responsibility.
Our Border Policy….. or lack of. Thousands of illegals continue to cross out borders each month. We incarcerate thousands of them in our prisons costing us billions to support them. California is about 30B in the tank while being designated the illegal immigrant capital of the US. Perry wants to send them to our schools and no one wants to send them home where they belong.
USPS….. we will soon close thousands of post offices and probably cut Saturday deliveries. All do to the good old government running something that private industry should have taken over long ago.
A Second Jobs Program….. this one will accomplish what the first one did not? Hey, Bozo, we are not that damned stupid to fall for this a second time. Even the CBC takes issue with you on this one.
There are lots more. The greatest bunch of bumblers in the history of American politics. And you want four more years of this? Whose side are you on?
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Come on Adam, give us an example of a conservative playing victim or even a billionaire. And are all artists anti-capitalist Adam? Is that what you are telling us now? Come on little man, put up or shut up.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 26th, 2011
3:47 pm
Kayaker 71: ““Stop your whining, stop complaining, take off your bedroom slippers and put on your marching shoes…. we have work to do”. The words of a desperate, failing, sorry excuse for a leader lecturing his most loyal supporters about how to act. If I were them, I would have walked out of that speech with my middle finger stuck proudly in the air. His policies have hurt the very people who were most loyal to him….. 16.5% unemployment rate over all and over 45% unemployment in blacks under 23. What a clusterf**k. ”
I can only say …. I AGREE ..
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
Kayaker, come on man. This was supposed to be “put the liberal on the spot time” for all of us. I mean they love to shoot out numbers and points they can not back and here you go showing them the answers. Don’t shy away now Adam and Tom Middleton. I am beginning to think they are one in the same.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
By the way Kayaker, great answers!
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
Kramer: Did you miss all the “class warfare” calls they keep making? How about how McConnell talking about how Obama is using infrastructure to beat up on poor little him? And I dare you to find “it’s Bush’s fault” from Obama in the past two weeks.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:50 pm
Kramer: And are all artists anti-capitalist Adam?
Totally missed the point I was trying to make. Not all “anti-capitalists” are people who have to refuse to make money in order to pursue their craft. I think you are missing the point that Michael Moore is against GREED, not against earning a living.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:50 pm
Adam,
We’re really just making note of how ironic it is that Moore is so critical of capitalism while at the same time making mega millions in the capitalist system by decrying capitalism. Its funny actually and good for him if he can produce garbage and get a bunch of sheeple to fork over their money to view his nonsense. He’s just like the inventor of the pet rock- a guy who can make millions peddling total crap.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:51 pm
kayaker: Your answers actually suck. You have rewritten history and facts on every single one of those EXCEPT Fast and Furious. Yes, that was a bungled operation. The rest of those programs were not failures as you describe.
MoreIsLess
September 26th, 2011
3:51 pm
@Butch CassidyMaybe we just need to simplify the political process to accomodate the 24/7, instant gratification, want it now mentality of the average citizen.
Butch has it right, except I think he should add that we should be able to vote with our phones
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:51 pm
Kramer
By sticking to the principles of Bushonomics, you are dooming yourselves to defeat. With your support of George W. and your full-throated obstructionism ever since his economy collapsed, you are only offering de facto more of the same.
And, dude, the American people already know better than what you’ve proven beyond doubt DOESN’T WORK. Blog away, Kramer, for yours is the party on the ropes, and calling me names is not going to get you off of them!
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
3:52 pm
If the Aryan nation’s make a movie and you automatically dismiss it as nonsense because of the source are you a fool for dismissing the movie immediately without seeing it because you know the source of the movie?
If had actually done that, (automatically dismissed an Aryan nation’s movie without watching it) you would have a point.
But I haven’t, and you continue to deflect from the point — you’re going on about something you admittedly haven’t seen and relying on others to tell you what to think.
Again — too funny.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:52 pm
““Stop your whining, stop complaining, take off your bedroom slippers and put on your marching shoes…. we have work to do”- Obama
“We have work to do”. Um. No. Uhhhh. Um. That would be the problem dear leader. There is no work. The clueless one lives up to his billing yet again.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:53 pm
And somewhere in Chicago a community searches in vain for its lost organizer.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:54 pm
Thulsa: No work to do? Guess I can go home then….
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:54 pm
Great Adam now can you list an example of a conservative billionaire playing a victim or are you from the Bill Maher / Michael Moore school of barf up things and do not back them? Admitting your problem is the first step towards recovery son.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:55 pm
Thulsa, come January of 2013 they can have him back.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
3:56 pm
Doom — “We’re really just making note of how ironic it is that Moore is so critical of capitalism while at the same time making mega millions in the capitalist system by decrying capitalism.”
Except that’s not what he’s doing. Perhaps if you had seen the film, you might recognize that.
Moore often makes his films available for free online. If I can find you a free instance — so you don’t have to worry about Moore making any money off you — then will you at least *watch* it? I’ll tell you a couple of places I think you should pay special attention to, because they fly in the face of the ‘evil corporations’ meme you seem to be pushing.
“Its funny actually and good for him if he can produce garbage and get a bunch of sheeple to fork over their money to view his nonsense. He’s just like the inventor of the pet rock- a guy who can make millions peddling total crap.”
He’s publicly encouraged people to disseminate his movies through free media and has often said he doesn’t care if you pay to see them or see them for free. That directly contradicts your claim.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:58 pm
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
3:51 pm
Kramer
By sticking to the principles of Bushonomics, you are dooming yourselves to defeat. With your support of George W. and your full-throated obstructionism ever since his economy collapsed, you are only offering de facto more of the same.
And, dude, the American people already know better than what you’ve proven beyond doubt DOESN’T WORK. Blog away, Kramer, for yours is the party on the ropes, and calling me names is not going to get you off of them!
Holy Jesus Cristo Tom, are you that stupid?! You can not answer a question, you just keep posting Bush garbage like you actually know how I feel about Bush. Come on dude, are you that ignorant or are you just not that smart when it comes to politics? If so, jump on the Justin Beiber website and speak with his followers. You need to stop playing with the adults.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
3:58 pm
Kammy,
There’s nothing to deflect about sport. I simply don’t go and view movies made by propogandist kooks who have no credibility whatsoever and whose only appeal is to really stupid people. And you don’t have to view an entire movie to know what its about sport. That’s what critics reviews of movies, theatre, etc are all for. The critic views the movie, lets the reader know what its all about, rates the movie or theatrical event, and lets the reader know if said production is worth his time or not. Is there something about this concept of movie or theater or book reviews that you simply cannot grasp? They’ve been doing reviews for a long, long time. What is it about this process that escapes you sir?
Adam
September 26th, 2011
3:59 pm
Really Adam? Give us all an example of a conservative doing the very thing you are stating
Come on Adam, give us an example of a conservative playing victim or even a billionaire
Great Adam now can you list an example of a conservative billionaire playing a victim or are you from the Bill Maher / Michael Moore school of barf up things and do not back them? Admitting your problem is the first step towards recovery son.
Nice try moving the goal posts. You can see from the above that you did so pretty clearly. I honored your original request, and you haven’t yet given me 10 examples of Obama playing victim in the last 2 weeks. Feel free to number them. I’ll wait.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
4:02 pm
Thulsa: I simply don’t go and view movies made by propogandist kooks who have no credibility whatsoever and whose only appeal is to really stupid people.
If you’ve never seen his movies, how in the hell do you know that he is just a propagandist kook? Because someone TOLD you that? So it’s ok to trust your sources ABOUT Michael Moore, but it’s not ok to watch Michael Moore’s movies and fact check them yourself?
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
4:02 pm
Oh, left out Solyndra….. the biggest cluster of the month. Yeah, but it’s only 538B…. pocket change to the big spender in the WH. Green jobs…. the savior of mankind, the great leveler. And still we do not drill in the Gulf, we do not drill in Anwar, we do not tap the millions of cubic feet of natural gas in our northern states, we do not drill off of our east and west coasts….yet we continue to pay for $3.50 gasoline which has an extremely numbing effect on our economy. Diesel is over 4.25 in many stations…. ever wonder how that effects your freight costs and the bottom line for the trucking companies? And Bozo halts drilling in the Gulf. I wonder if that man is doing this on purpose.
Kamchak
September 26th, 2011
4:02 pm
What is it about this process that escapes you sir?
Someone is telling you what to think rather than you experience it yourself. What part of that seems to be giving you the most trouble?
If that’s the way you wanna go through life, then go for it.
But expect to be mocked for not knowing what it is that you are talking about.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
4:03 pm
Kramer
Still can’t deal in facts, huh? It seems like I’ve talked to you before with another name. Are you that volunteer blogger for the Georgia Republican Party that doesn’t know what he’s talking about? What did you have to do to get that job, flunk the exam? Dude, give it up. Politics is for those who can think!
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
4:04 pm
Doom, I’ve read Mao’s Little Red Book, but that doesn’t make me a Communist.
I’ve read The Bible, but that doesn’t make me a Christian.
I’ve read Mein Kampf, but that doesn’t make me a Nazi.
And I’ve seen Michael Moore’s films, but that doesn’t make me anti-capitalist.
I think there’s value in knowing where others’ views and opinions come from, even from people I would consider enemies (like Nazis) or foolish and unreasonable (like Communists). That’s why I see what they have to say.
But it doesn’t make me one of them to investigate what they’re about. By the same token, it doesn’t make me a better person by *ignoring* what they’re about and just making things up to attribute to them.
HDB
September 26th, 2011
4:04 pm
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
Conservatives playing the victim?? I’ve got one!!
Jesse Helms’ campaign against Harvey Gantt!! (from wikipedia:)
Helms aired a late-running television commercial that showed a white man’s hands ripping up a rejection notice from a company that gave the job to a ‘less qualified minority’; some critics claimed the ad utilized subliminal racist themes. The advert was produced by Alex Castellanos, whom Helms would employ until his company was dropped in April 1996 after running an unusually hard-hitting ad.
Victimhood displayed!!
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:04 pm
Except that’s not what he’s doing. Perhaps if you had seen the film, you might recognize that.- Joe Mama
According to the reviews I’ve read his movie does exactly that which is to deride and criticize the capitalist system. I don’t think there is any dispute about that Joe. And I’m certain he’s made good money off the film. And I’ve no problem with that. Good for him. I just find it ironical is all.
“He’s publicly encouraged people to disseminate his movies through free media and has often said he doesn’t care if you pay to see them or see them for free. That directly contradicts your claim.”- Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
How does that contradict my claim? Has the man not made millions on his films including the one on capitalism? The fact that he encourages people to access his movies through free media does not change the fact that he has made millions on these movies now does it?
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
4:05 pm
God Adam, you more imature then I thought. You posted what you think is fact and I asked you to back it up. I then told you once you did I would give you 10 times last week when Obama played victim. Now you want to change the rules because you are not intelligent to play by them. Now, if you can not play just say so and quit embarrasing yourself and your party. Like I said, Justin Beiber may be more your speed because politics is not.
Adam
September 26th, 2011
4:06 pm
Tom Middleton: Politics is for those who can think!
Apparently not *cough* Rick Perry *cough* Bachmann *cough/hack* Sarah Palin *COOOOOUGH*
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
4:08 pm
HDP, great job and Adam thanks you. Now, the quote from Adam was a billionaire and a live one would be nice. Go back to google son and try again. By the way, I added conservative billionaire. I will make it easy for you and it can be a liberal billionaire if you like. Play on HDP, play on!
Adam
September 26th, 2011
4:08 pm
Kramer: You’re telling me you missed the countless times the Republicans have used the term “class warfare” to defend themselves, or McConnell’s comments about the bridge between his state and Ohio? Do I really have to go and find links for you that have the quotes? Are you that out of touch with current events?
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
4:09 pm
Adam, you are still on the adult blog, cough, you need to stop, cough, before even the liberals on here, cough, ask you to leave.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
4:09 pm
Interesting story about a Republican group of students at Berkley who are challenging the concept of Affirmative Action. They have been pressed by the University, under penalty of expulsion, to drop their complaints. Said that they are getting sick and tired of paying twice what Affirmative Action students are paying and it isn’t fair to them and their parents. What say libs? You are always snorting on about fairness always trumps every argument.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
LOL, Adam
Adam
September 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
HDB: The advert was produced by Alex Castellanos, whom Helms would employ until his company was dropped in April 1996 after running an unusually hard-hitting ad.
1996? I thought we were talking about current events. Anyway everyone knows you’re supposed to ignore any history before 2009 when Obama took office, unless it helps your own position of course.
Joe COOL
September 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
-Republican candidates vie for Fox News chief Roger Ailes’ advice, ear-
According to Newsweek, which published a lengthy profile of Roger Ailes as part of an upcoming cover story on the Republican debates, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty have each sought out the chief of the top-rated cable network in recent months.
Before Perry announced his 2012 bid, he stopped by Ailes’ midtown Manhattan office, and told him he was worried about being able to raise money. “Money will find you if people believe in your message,” Ailes assured Perry, according to Newsweek. (Of Perry’s presidential stature, Ailes said, “If he tells people he’s gonna kick their ass, he might actually do it, which is useful for a president.”)
Romney had dinner with Ailes recently, according to Kurtz:
When Romney himself sought out Ailes for a pasta dinner, the Fox chief was struck by a sense of humor rarely displayed in public. “You ought to be looser on the air,” he said while dropping off the former Massachusetts governor at his hotel.
And three weeks after Tim Pawlenty dropped out of the race, he “showed up to ask for a gig at Fox,” only to be rebuffed by Ailes, who didn’t want to give Pawlenty, then on the verge of endorsing Romney, a job. “I’m not sure I want to sign you as a paid spokesman for Romney,” Ailes said.
For GOP contenders, a meeting with Ailes sounds like a meeting with the Godfather, replete with a shoulder-touch of approval.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
4:11 pm
Uh Adam, that is not playing victim. Playing victim is screwing up and then blaming someone else for your mistakes. Like Obama did last week in California blaming Bush for the economy and the Republicans for the job growth. Now son, put down the laptop and go watch MTV.
Kramer
September 26th, 2011
4:13 pm
OK, it has got to be. Adam and Tom Middleton are the same person and are now having conversations with each other. Scary.
Jay
September 26th, 2011
4:15 pm
kayaker, the fact that they AREN’T paying tuition based on race and that you got the central complaint very much wrong in the first place won’t deter you at all, now will it.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Michael Moore do loves his money.
Today, we’re getting reports that Michael Moore is suing his producers, Bob and Harvey Weinstein for profits over his movie “Fahrenheit 9/11.” This puts Michael Moore in the same category as the profit-loving greedy capitalists that he pretends to hate. If his socialism is predicated on the idea that some people don’t have enough, and others have too much, why is Michael Moore quibbling over $2.7 million? If you would have $2.7 million, wouldn’t that qualify as “too much?” Michael Moore’s current net worth is estimated at $25 million, according to celebritynetworth.com. So, apparently, $25 million still qualifies Michael Moore as one of the “have-nots.”
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Kramer
And I did answer you, and if you remember, it was then that you started with the personal attacks. You know, K, that’s how I always know I won the argument – when people like you run out of intelligent things to say! LOL…
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Doom — “According to the reviews I’ve read his movie does exactly that which is to deride and criticize the capitalist system. I don’t think there is any dispute about that Joe. And I’m certain he’s made good money off the film. And I’ve no problem with that. Good for him. I just find it ironical is all.”
He derides and criticizes *the excesses* of the capitalist system. He speaks highly of a ‘golden age’ of capitalism in the postwar period, when business was booming and workers were *sharing* in the wealth with executives and business owners. However, he also illustrates the recent practices that corporations have engaged in *to the egregious benefit* of executives and owners and *to the detriment* of workers. It’s a rather fine point that I think a lot of observers miss — I haven’t read one critical review that even admits to the *existence* of the part of the movie where he speaks *well* of his and his family’s experience in the capitalist system.
During that part, Moore takes his dad to a construction site where a GM plant used to stand — a plant where his dad once worked. His dad *praises* GM and speaks well about his experience and treatment as one of their employees. The impression I got from that part of the film is not *critical* — it’s *complimentary* of how they ran their business and treated their employees back then. This is why I think you should see the movie for yourself, because I don’t think it contains the message you seem to think it does. I think you’re a smart enough guy that you could watch it and figure it out for yourself.
“Joe Mama, How does that contradict my claim? Has the man not made millions on his films including the one on capitalism? The fact that he encourages people to access his movies through free media does not change the fact that he has made millions on these movies now does it?”
Doesn’t mean that he’s conning a “bunch of sheeple to fork over their money to view his nonsense,: either, does it? Someone who was trying to fool people into parting with their money wouldn’t be encouraging people to get it free, now would they?
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
HDB,
Jesse Helms and Harvey Gantt? And how long ago was that? And how is being concerned over losing a spot due to the color of your skin not a concern? If its a concern to blacks then why should it not be a concern to whites or Asians to not be discriminated against based on skin color? Please explain that.
Jay
September 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
No, Kramer, they’re not. I don’t tolerate that here.
And everyone, let’s refrain from letting this get too personal, OK?
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
HDB,
Is this kind of discrimation cool with you. Especially against Asian students?
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/group_hits_hits_affirmative_action_at_uw_law_school_protesters_storm_news_c/
The law school study examined admissions data for the years 2005 and 2006 after the Wisconsin Supreme Court ordered its release, the National Law Journal reports. In 2006, the law school admitted 43 percent of black applicants, 39 percent of Hispanic applicants, 18 percent of Asian applicants and 24 percent of white applicants. Forty-three percent of the rejected whites had LSAT scores and grades that were higher than the median for black admittees. “Admission officers essentially reach down into the applicant pool and pull up certain students,” the study says.
AmVet
September 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Howdy gang.
I read about that idiotic mess that the UCal neo-cons got themselves into.
I know that UC Berkley is one helluva great school that has graduated innumerable bright minds and has received countless accolades for it’s academic excellence.
Apparently the Young Republicans there are the exception to the rule…
Adam
September 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Kramer: Claiming “class warfare” is playing the victim card. The victim, in this case, is the billionaires and millionaires. Or at least, that is what you are led to believe. There are quite a few other cases but really, all you have to do is find a few quotes containing “class warfare” in recent news. Many of the people claiming class warfare, such as Boehner and Jim DeMint, are millionaires themselves. So they are playing that victim card more directly.
Less recently, we had an instance of a man in Norway who said it was his Christian duty to kill Muslims. He was arrested for related crimes, and Fox personalities decried this as an attack on Christians.
I could go on, but it’s real easy to see if you pay attention that the victim card is a play often used by the right wing personalities and politicians to try to win their side of an argument. Thankfully, the American people aren’t so dumb as to buy it on the “class warfare” phrase.
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2011
4:32 pm
So young, so innocent!
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
4:32 pm
Doom — “Today, we’re getting reports that Michael Moore is suing his producers, Bob and Harvey Weinstein for profits over his movie “Fahrenheit 9/11.” This puts Michael Moore in the same category as the profit-loving greedy capitalists that he pretends to hate.”
If the Weinsteins were contractually obligated to pay profits in a certain way and failed to do so, then should Moore allow them to retain those ill-gotten profits?
FWIW, the Weinsteins are wealthier than Moore, so I think your ‘money jingling in the wrong pockets’ construction is a bit poorly-aimed.
One more thing — Moore’s pretty generous with his money. In fact, he’s made at least one significant donation to a major critic of his. Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko#Moorewatch
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:32 pm
Someone who was trying to fool people into parting with their money wouldn’t be encouraging people to get it free, now would they?- Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
To be honest that’s the first I’ve heard of him offering the movie for free. Regardless though I’m certain he knew that in the first months of the movie people would just go to the theatre and watch it. Not sure if it was out for free distribution during its theatre run or not. Doesn’t matter. I’ve seen one of his movies and bits and pieces of others but when the propoganda got to absurd I just had to turn it off. He tends to play pretty loose with his facts and there was an entire book written detailing his errors and half truths and flat out false statements along with a documentary detailing the same. No thanks. I will say this though. At least the man does have some humor to his films and that does go a long way.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
4:34 pm
Got it, Jay…Sorry!
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
4:35 pm
Bookman,
Their protest is all about race and the consequences of being a white student in an Affirmative Action University. They are having a bake sale, selling cupcakes to students price as follows: white students pay $2, asians pay $1.50, hispanics pay $1.00, blacks pay $.75 and females get a $.25 discount. If that is not about race and the consequences of being white and having to pay more, then perhaps I am missing the point. Berkeley is threatening to defund the Republican organization, dropping all school funds in their support. But, as the Repub students stated, this is all about fairness and it boils down to what each race or ethnic group has to pay for their education. Bucknell shut down a similar protest last year. 1st Amendment, anyone?
Adam
September 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
Just in case Kramer is only paying attention to THIS thread, I am going home. So I will not be answering any more of your posts. Feel free to attack away and feel good that you’re not getting any pushback.
Tom Middleton
September 26th, 2011
4:38 pm
Have a good one, Adam!
Paul
September 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Adam
Have a nice evening.
BTW, watch out for the vortex. It appears a Harry Callahan clone has appeared.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
4:44 pm
AmVet,
These students have every right to protest something that they feel is wrong. Even the school newspaper editor stated that, while he didn’t agree with their conclusions, they have every right to express them. I know Berkeley is so liberal that you would not even suspect that a Republican even existed there but they do have every right to express their views about the inequity of Affirmative Action…. like the Congressional Black Caucus, a thing that is way past it’s time.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
Joe Mama,
That donation to his critic you deemed as being “pretty generous with his money”. That donation was only 12 grand. Not impressed. I did look up his philanthropy giving and quite frankly it was not at all impressive. It did show a bunch of different little organizations but it doesn’t show any significant amounts or really any amounts. It just showed organizations that he supposedly donates to. Dick Cheney has donated 20% of his yearly earnings for years. I can’t find anything that shows what Moore donates. I don’t know if its 20% like Cheney or $1,000 like Biden the year before he ran with Obama or the 3-5k that Obama contributed the year before he ran.I suspect that he’s probably like the potus and vice potus where he’s generous with other folks money like with Solyndra but very stingy with his own. But at least with Obama he has been shamed into donating more money then the measley, pitiful amounts he used to donate.
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
Thulsa: I read all of the “reports” including the one you posted with your post. Nowhere in any of the “reports” could I find the actual number of Black, Hispanic, Asian, or White applicants, nor could I find the actual number of Black, Hispanic, Asian, or White students actually admitted. Only “percentages” lots of percentages.
That would beg the question of whether the potential pool of Black, Hispanic, and/or Asian candidates was so small that the University had to reduce the requirements of those groups to in any way even out the numbers of those candidates.
I would be interested in seeing a post about this that shows the actual numbers instead of percentages.
Jay
September 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Oh good lordy, “the consequences of being white ….”
Black students make up a whopping 3.4 percent of Cal-Berkeley’s student body.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Doom — “To be honest that’s the first I’ve heard of him offering the movie for free. Regardless though I’m certain he knew that in the first months of the movie people would just go to the theatre and watch it. Not sure if it was out for free distribution during its theatre run or not.”
I don’t recall the specifics, but I think I read somewhere that he asked his distributors not to sue people that were making it available free online.
“No thanks.”
Shrug. I can’t make you watch it, but I really think you should — at least the part where he’s reminiscing about that ‘golden age’ of capitalism. I really think it puts the lie to people who claim he’s anti-capitalist. I think Moore is opposed to the *excesses* of capitalism, and I’ll freely admit to that. But wholly anti-capitalist? Having seen the movie, I simply don’t think that’s possible. No one who was anti-capitalist would be complimentary of a big corporation like GM.
“I will say this though. At least the man does have some humor to his films and that does go a long way.”
At his heart, Moore’s just a working-class schlub from Michigan. I don’t think that scruffy, tubby look of his is affected at all — I think that’s just the way he is.
Soothsayer
September 26th, 2011
4:49 pm
“I know Berkeley is so liberal that you would not even suspect that a Republican even existed there but they do have every right to express their views”
This may come as a shock to those living here in Georgia, but much of the rest (if not most) of the country is not dominated by “foaming-at-the-mouth” conservative Republicans like it is here.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
If you can’t win the policy debate just shout them down.
This week, right-wing think tank Center for Equal Opportunity held a press conference in Madison, Wisconsin to tout their recent findings blasting the University of Wisconsin for supposed anti-white policies. The group — dedicated to anti-”Afrocentric”, anti-multicultural, English-only, “colorblind” public policies — insisted the university was supporting “severe discrimination based on race and ethnicity” through its affirmative action policy, giving preferential treatment to African-Americans and Latinos.
Forty-five minutes into the conference, over 100 university students stormed the room chanting “power to the people” and “we’re more than our scores,” effectively shutting down the conference:
[CEO president Roger] Clegg introduced the study at an 11 a.m. news conference Tuesday at the DoubleTree hotel, 525 W. Johnson St. He was immediately peppered with questions from students and faculty members questioning the analysis.
After about 45 minutes, more than 100 students and others stormed into the room, chanting “power to the people!” and “more than our scores!” to a steady drumbeat. Clegg packed up his briefcase and left. Students took over the microphone and began to share personal stories about the value of diversity.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
4:53 pm
Doom — “That donation to his critic you deemed as being “pretty generous with his money”. That donation was only 12 grand. Not impressed.”
I’ll expect to see that $12K check from you in the mail by the end of the week, then, Doom
(laughing)
Seriously, though, the guy needed help with medical bills, and Moore stepped up to help. I think that’s a class act, whether Moore gave him $12K or $12M.
Doom — “I did look up his philanthropy giving and quite frankly it was not at all impressive. It did show a bunch of different little organizations but it doesn’t show any significant amounts or really any amounts. It just showed organizations that he supposedly donates to.”
If a group doesn’t file a 990, then there probably won’t be records of amounts or anything like that. Smaller and local groups tend not to be big enough to file 990s.
Doom — “Dick Cheney has donated 20% of his yearly earnings for years.”
I don’t consider donations to PACs or political candidates/parties to be charitable, frankly. And that goes for donations to Republicans and Democrats. Wealthy political candidates aren’t charities IMO.
Soup kitchens, homeless shelters, battered women’s shelters, clothes closets, legal aid, doctors without borders — *those* are charities IMO.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:53 pm
Georgia, but much of the rest (if not most) of the country is not dominated by “foaming-at-the-mouth” conservative Republicans like it is here.- Soothsayer
Sooth,
Then you shouldn’t have a problem with letting the 2 sides have a substantive policy debate as opposed to left wing students shouting down the free speech of conservative students. You don’t have a problem with free speech do you? Or are you like other liberals who love free speech- just as long as its your free speech.
kayaker 71
September 26th, 2011
4:53 pm
Soothsayer,
Berkeley has about 22K students on their main campus. When prop 209 passed stating that students could not be singled out for their ethnicity when applying to the University, the mix of hispanic, black, native american and other minorities dropped dramatically. As to how many of each group is enrolled, not sure.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
I’ll expect to see that $12K check from you in the mail by the end of the week, then, Doom – Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
Indeed. It was a classy thing to do. As for my 12k check I did in fact help raise $10,800 last year for our cancer research for kids but otherwise if someone is expecting a $12,000 check from me alone then well, uh, lets just say the proverbial snowball in hell has a better chance for now. 10 years from now maybe I will be able to stroke that check but not right now. And when I get to that point where I can afford it I would love to write $12,000 checks to charity or simply to help someone out in need. I think we all would.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
Doom — “Then you shouldn’t have a problem with letting the 2 sides have a substantive policy debate as opposed to left wing students shouting down the free speech of conservative students.”
A press conference isn’t a debate.
I’m not defending the actions of the disruptive students, but they didn’t disrupt a *debate.* Furthermore, free speech is not, as Rush Limbaugh says, free of consequences. You’re not entitled to a forum and you’re not entitled to be heard.
You can say what you want, but you can’t get up on stage and demand that everyone else STFU and pay attention to you while you say it. The Constitution does not and has never guaranteed any such right.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
Doom — “I would love to write $12,000 checks to charity or simply to help someone out in need. I think we all would.”
I give in four figures to charity each year, but I think the only way I’m ever getting to five figures in a single year is if I hit the Lotto.
Among the charities I donate to regularly are the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the Pat Tillman Foundation, The Wounded Warrior Project and Heifer International.
Thulsa Doom
September 26th, 2011
5:12 pm
Joe mama,
A press conference is not a debate. But in a civil society you don’t go interrupting someone’s press conference because you don’t like what they say.
To me this is nothing more than leftist students who simply don’t like what someone else is saying so they try to shut them down and disrupt them from saying what they want to say. This happens frequently with conservative speakers on college campuses. If you don’t like what they say then engage them in a civil debate instead of engaging in mob tactics. If they can’t engage in civil debate or protest quietly and peacefully then they should just STFU rather than disrupt someone’s press conference with mob tactics. What was that that the potus said about civility after the Gifford shooting?
Jay
September 26th, 2011
5:13 pm
I agree, re: debate and free speech. Shutting it down should not have been allowed, and those who did so ought to be disciplined.
Joe Mama
September 26th, 2011
5:18 pm
Doom — “To me this is nothing more than leftist students who simply don’t like what someone else is saying so they try to shut them down and disrupt them from saying what they want to say. This happens frequently with conservative speakers on college campuses. If you don’t like what they say then engage them in a civil debate instead of engaging in mob tactics. If they can’t engage in civil debate or protest quietly and peacefully then they should just STFU rather than disrupt someone’s press conference with mob tactics.”
Shrug. I’m an atheist. I’ve never picketed a church or religious group in my life, but I’ve been picketed and shouted at by theists before. They’ve even sneaked in and tried to disrupt what we were doing. Should those theists have buggered off and left us alone?
“What was that that the potus said about civility after the Gifford shooting?”
It goes both ways. Again, I don’t defend or excuse what those students did — and I do think they should have found another way to express their outrage — but what you said about Constitutional rights is a non-starter. The conservatives had no right to a public forum and audience. Decorum’s one thing, and you’re right on that point. Constitutional rights are another thing, and you’re wrong on that one.
AmVet
September 26th, 2011
5:21 pm
And the confused Republicans still can’t figure out why 2% of their party is black.
TWO PERCENT.
Or why the numbers aren’t much better for Latinos, Jews, Asian-Americans and every other ethnic or racial minority.
I’m not certain that even white power, Aryan nation type groups don’t have that sort of minority representation.
Own it. You’ve worked relentless for a long time to have earned it…