‘It’s the end of the world as we’ve known it,’ how ya feeling?
Earlier in the week, I was trying to decide which John Coltrane cut I was going to post tonight, given that this would have been the saxophonist’s 85th birthday. Then, well, news happened. R.E.M. announced it was disbanding, which means Trane got pushed aside.
Sorry John (although the guys at R.E.M. are big fans of yours, I hear).
I came to R.E.M. relatively late, at least compared to a lot of folks here in Georgia. But from my first exposure I marveled at their distinctive sound and the fact that somehow, they could come off both lush and economical in their music. Their lyrics were special as well, often funny if absurdly opaque, reaching for and sometimes attaining poetry.
More than any band I can think of, you always wanted to know what their next album would sound like, because it was bound to head off in a new and interesting direction. Following their career was a musical adventure, and after 31 years it has now come to an end.
Thanks, guys. Here’s one of my favorites, as much because of the memories it inspires as much as the music itself:
– Jay Bookman
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Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
11:21 am
Obama orders African Americans to quit complaining and get in line. Wonder how that’s playing among Blacks.
Midori
September 25th, 2011
11:25 am
ever try asking one Del?
there are a few of us here.
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
11:26 am
Bro
Why?
Faith in the intelligence of my fellow man.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
11:29 am
Recon
Not to nitpick, but you do realize that African Americans are not necessarily Black. As far as your statement, there’s probably many in the Black community who are simply saying “I told you so.” That message is no different than the message that’s been communicated to Black Americans since we’ve been here. There’s been different meanings behind the message, but the message has always been pretty much the same.
Personally, I don’t see why he would need some special event to say that. He could have said that a long time ago.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
11:29 am
Midori,
What is your opinion?
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
11:31 am
Faith in the intelligence of my fellow man.
I guess that same faith is how you and others can claim to know why most Blacks voted for Obama by simply extrapolating the views of a few Black people, huh? I wouldn’t buy it if it was on sale at the dollar store.
JamVet
September 25th, 2011
11:32 am
Brother Kam, you are absolutely correct. The pro-war, pro-death, pro-torture, pro-crime, pro-spying on American citizens, Immoral Minority “Christian” wing of the GOP calls all of the shots. (Ronnie let the charlatans and telefrauds into the inner sanctum as modern day court jesters.)
And why they are so far from the political center they can no longer see it with the Hubble telescope.
I just don’t think the turnout will be nearly enough.
Hold onto that (pipe) dream.
Just be prepared to be very, very disappointed in 14 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txlXcJDtDwM
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
11:35 am
Brosephus,
I do realize that, however, African American is frequently used by Black Americans as well as by Whites in reference to Blacks.
Midori
September 25th, 2011
11:36 am
my opinion is you are full of sh*t
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
11:39 am
I do realize that, however, African American is frequently used by Black Americans as well as by Whites in reference to Blacks.
I understand your point, but the frequency of use does not make it any more correct or any less wrong. That’s the same argument used by rappers when they use the “N” word, and that’s wrong too.
Paulo977
September 25th, 2011
11:41 am
Jam Vet
“We Jews don’t like hyper-intolerance, xenophobic haters and the politics of racial animosity as perfected by small-minded Republican creeps”
as expressed by our Native American brothers/sisters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_kVNOlhPMM
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
11:43 am
“my opinion is you are full of sh*t”
Thank you,I’ll take that as a compliment since you apply that to all who disagree with your ideology. You must be happy in your narrow world but I tend to doubt it.
Midori
September 25th, 2011
11:44 am
you’re very welcome – I’ve always wanted to say that.
thanks for the opportunity, and the opening.
I really, really appreciate that.
out of the blue
September 25th, 2011
11:46 am
“my opinion is you are full of sh*t”
Midori….I do believe you just hit the nail directly on its head!
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
11:46 am
Bro
“Blacks voted for Obama by simply extrapolating the views of a few Black people, huh?”
I don’t think it is nearly as complicated as that. I think that most Blacks were very proud of the fact that a man that was sold to them as being a Black man was going to be the first American Black President.
I know this may be a shock to you, but White people, particularly urban Whites don’t live in a vacuum. We see the ads that say “he’s one of us”, I personally have made ads for Black politicians that say exactly that. I mean that’s not exactly saying that he also drives a Chevy.
Every Black person I knew when I was in Atlanta was more conservative than me. And every one of them supported Obama, the most liberal member of the US Senate.
If you don’t buy it, there’s nothing I can do about that, but to any reasonable onlooker of any race, the conclusions are obvious.
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
11:52 am
Midori, Out of the Blue
“my opinion is you are full of sh*t”
Throwing out yet another insult might be a great argument to you, but don’t be surprised when others might consider it the only come-back you have when you don’t have a counter argument.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
11:53 am
I think that most Blacks were very proud of the fact that a man that was sold to them as being a Black man was going to be the first American Black President.
Most Blacks were proud of the fact that a man who is 1/2 Black was even considered a serious contender for the office. If you backtrack, you will find most of the Black community supported Hillary Clinton. When it was obvious that Obama had enough support from ALL that he could get the nomination, then the Black support began to rally around Obama.
If your premise was even remotely correct, then had Obama been Republican, he would have gotten 95% of the Black vote, which I very seriously doubt would have happened. Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democratic whether the candidate is Black, White, Christian, Jew, Disabled, or whatever other label you choose to place on them. The majority of Blacks will not support a Republican candidate in the near future, unless that candidate was Jesus himself. It has nothing to do with racial demographics and has more to do with the control apparatus of the party in general.
To quote you, “If you don’t buy it, there’s nothing I can do about that, but to any reasonable onlooker of any race, the conclusions are obvious.”
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
11:59 am
I know this may be a shock to you, but White people, particularly urban Whites don’t live in a vacuum. We see the ads that say “he’s one of us”, I personally have made ads for Black politicians that say exactly that. I mean that’s not exactly saying that he also drives a Chevy.
Blacks said the same thing about Clinton. Many even joked that Clinton was the first “Black” president, and some still think that way.
Every Black person I knew when I was in Atlanta was more conservative than me. And every one of them supported Obama, the most liberal member of the US Senate.
As I said, extrapolating from what you see/know personally and projecting it out upon the entire population.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
12:00 pm
GLL,
They’re among some other left wingers on here whose only life is hanging out on Jay’s blog tossing insults at anyone who posts conservative viewpoints. No one takes them seriously.
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:01 pm
Midori look in the mirror
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
12:02 pm
Bro
“If you backtrack, you will find most of the Black community supported Hillary Clinton. ”
Not even close to true, at least during the two person battle leading up to the nomination. This illustration shows that Clinton had NO SUPPORT in that runoff: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/politics/20080603_MARGINS_GRAPHIC/margins.swf
I will admit that a Black Republican against a White Democrat would not have carried 95%, but I believe that they would have carried a huge majority.
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:03 pm
Bro 11:53 I agree with that synopsis and assessment
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
12:04 pm
Bro
I think that graph from the NY Times backs up my claims rather nicely.
I need to go to work. Have a good day.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
12:04 pm
cons lie and say anybody can beat our President but cant find a candidate that can beat our President.
They are so out of touch with reality, they can’t see this fact.
They got nothing but lies.
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
12:05 pm
Bro
On the graph, you will need to click that right arrow twice to pull up the Black demographic.
1811/0311
September 25th, 2011
12:05 pm
Good Little Liberal:
“I’ve always understood why Blacks voted for Obama, but given the choice between a Maxist Harvard professor and a very smart businessman, I think the choice will be obvious.”
Ah ………………………… the poster of this blog can’t even see that so ……………. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for the others. If they just “stay home” that day it’s a done deal.
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:06 pm
Bro 11:59
Putting aside the superficial absurdity of what I’m about to say
I think one might argue Clinton is more black than Obama
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:08 pm
Getalife what r u talking about?
Good Little Liberal
September 25th, 2011
12:10 pm
getalife
Have a good day.
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:11 pm
Clinton: southern black (despite relo’ing to NY)
Obama: Yankee black
I like Clinton better
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:13 pm
Wowwwwww. Big news in Saudi Arabia
Women to be allowed to vote and run for office in 2015
Thats a big deal and a good move forward
Jm
September 25th, 2011
12:18 pm
Lamar Alexander
Reid to blame for government shutdown
Midori
September 25th, 2011
12:20 pm
Midori look in the mirror
why?
is my slip showing?
much like your hood?
Gator Joe
September 25th, 2011
12:22 pm
Jay,
Before the original topic goes away completely: I love all types of music, but I especially like music and lyrics that make one think. REM is, or was, a thinking person’s band, with great poetry and music. This is coming from a 60+, Liberal who experienced, and still loves, 60’s folk/protest music.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
12:26 pm
GLL
There’s no explanation for your graph. If you remember, Hillary was in the race long before Obama even decided to run. Blacks did not begin to support Obama until after he won the Iowa primary. Before that point, many Blacks were skeptical that he would even get serious consideration.
I will admit that a Black Republican against a White Democrat would not have carried 95%, but I believe that they would have carried a huge majority.
I’m sure you believe in Bigfoot too. As I said earlier, that will not happen anytime soon. It’s not about race, as much as you want to make it. If you want to point to something about race and the Black vote, consider this…
Bush was invited to speak at the NAACP National Convention several times and continuously turned them down. Conservatives have shown less than desirable respect to the office of the President since Obama was inaugurated. If you want to know why I say Blacks would not give majority support to a Black Republican, it’s because Conservatives have not shown any kind of respect to Blacks in positions of authority/importance in the past decade. If you want respect, you gotta give respect. The modern Conservative lacks the ability to show a smidget of respect for anything they don’t agree with. Chew on that one for a while. It’s not about race, its all about respect. If you want me to treat you as a man, then you’ve gotta treat me as a man. Until you do that, I’m not giving you crap. That’s the mentality you’re working with.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
12:27 pm
Putting aside the superficial absurdity of what I’m about to say
I think one might argue Clinton is more black than Obama
There are many who could take that argument and make Jesus believe it. Just sayin…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
12:34 pm
“I say Blacks would not give majority support to a Black Republican, it’s because Conservatives have not shown any kind of respect to Blacks in positions of authority/importance in the past decade.”
Brosephus, a recent example that refutes your statement was the recent straw vote in Florida where a considerable number of conservatives voted for Cain against Rick Perry. There are many other examples but casting all conservatives in that light is just plain false.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
12:44 pm
Football coming on soon. A better place to spend unproductive time.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
12:56 pm
Knowing that nothing comes out of corrupt congress but more corporate welfare, the tea party position on no spending ends corporate welfare.
The gop establishment does not like ending corporate welfare.
The gop civil war will explode the gop party.
Be patient Americans and grab the popcorn.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2011
1:08 pm
“Are you saying Cain is going to win the nomination, Dave R?”
No, what I am saying is that you’re previous so-called “high water mark” for Cain has just been eclipsed, once again showing that while you may be a marginal opinion writer, you’re a terrible political analyst.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
1:09 pm
Recon
Any examples of conservatives showing any kind of respect outside their own little bubble? Not trying to paint with too broad a brush, but the overwhelming actions of conservatives show there is the lack of respect shown towards Obama or any other Black American in any position of authority/leadership outside conservative circles. The example you give of Cain is no different than Liberals patting Obama on the back. Of course, you’re always gonna respect one of your own.
Jay
September 25th, 2011
1:45 pm
He’s at 7 percent in the most recent Rasmussen poll, Dave R. At 5 percent in the Gallup. That’s half or less than his high water mark.
And Recon/GLL, the GOP attitude that makes them think Phil Kent is an appropriate political appointee also helps explain why they have such a hard time appealing to minority voters.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2011
1:47 pm
You just keep cherry-picking your data to try to salvage some credibility, Jay. Cain WON a caucus, doubling his two closest competitors.
That’s a high water mark in the REAL world.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2011
1:58 pm
I’m catching the Pats game in Buffalo online off of a Desportes feed, Recon. Great way to watch your home team when the local stations aren’t covering it.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
2:26 pm
Dave
Got Directv’s Sunday Ticket here. Watching EVERY game.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2011
2:32 pm
Yeah, but you’re PAYING for it.
(I’m not) Ssssshhhh!
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
2:51 pm
True. Got a family full of Redskin fans. They don’t miss a game. I also like the fact that I can track player stats w/onscreen updates.
Back Seater
September 25th, 2011
3:17 pm
Dims are losers
Dims are liars
Dims have no leaderhsip
Dims are Dim
Dims are killing jobs in America
Dims have nothing
In 14 months, (if not sooner) the Dimocratic party will implode
Dims love their “worst POTUS ever”
Dim don’t care about USA, unless they can get their socialism agenda
Dims are un patriotic
Dims are the thngs that the Bozo from LA call Conservatives everyday, onlty worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TaxPayer
September 25th, 2011
3:22 pm
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg criticized the 2012 GOP presidential field for the candidates’ extreme positions on Sunday, lambasting their questioning of science and rejection of more moderate policies.
“Some of these candidates’ positions really trouble me,” Bloomberg said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “To not believe in science is just ridiculous.”
Well. They are Republicans. What do they know about things like Science or Math.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2011
3:44 pm
Yeah, ’cause Michael Bloomberg’s opinion on what a Republican actually believes in so valuable.
Especially since he’s full if s#it.
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
4:02 pm
Subject: Obama’s latest!!!
To save the
economy, on September 24, 2011, President Obama will announce that he is
ordering the Immigration Department to start deporting old people (instead of
illegals) in order to lower Social Security and Medicare costs.
Old people are
easier to catch, and will not remember how to get back
home!
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
4:10 pm
SoCoBroBrown, Uhh Bush actually did address the NAACP, even though they had called him many names on several occasions. Just wanted to set the record straight.
pogo
September 25th, 2011
4:14 pm
Obama’s pathetic attempt at rallying the black vote Saturday was sad to watch. He assumes that blacks aren’t sophisticated enough to see that he is trying to play them again by using race. And he has the audacity to use such terminology as “march” as if his re-election bid is some kind of modern day Campaign against oppression when in reality his administration has been oppressive and counter-productivworse the blacks situation. They are far worse off economically under his administration. Ad besides, what does Obama no about suffrage? He has been pampered his entire adult life.
TaxPayer
September 25th, 2011
4:17 pm
What do ya know! Bloomberg was elected as mayor of New York City three times in a row. It must have been because no one of importance cared about his opinion.
Dave R.
September 25th, 2011
4:24 pm
What do ya know! Bloomberg has been elected 3 times in a heavily Democrat city.
As I said, the GOP doesn’t really care about his opinion of their candidates, especially since hos comment is both stupid and false.
TaxPayer
September 25th, 2011
4:32 pm
To save the economy, on September 24, 2011, President Obama will announce that he is ordering the Immigration Department to start deporting old people (instead of illegals) in order to lower Social Security and Medicare costs. Old people are easier to catch, and will not remember how to get back home!
When Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and the rest of the Lame Gang heard the news, they started trickling down their own legs in joy. Someone ought to break the news to them, eventually.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
4:43 pm
poison pen
I know he eventually did, but how many times did he turn down their request? Bush accepted the NAACP’s invitation on the SIXTH time. He turned them down 5 previous times. He was halfway through his 2nd term before he accepted an invitation to speak to the largest organization of any group of Black Americans. If you’re looking to attract people to your party, you don’t dismiss them until you no longer need them.
josef
September 25th, 2011
4:53 pm
It’s kind of interesting that there seems to be a crowing that President Obama is in trouble with the “Jewish” vote. So? He’s probably not. Given what the GOP is offering and the absence of a third choice, he can still prettty much count on it. But even were he to lose it in it’s entirety, it’s only about 3 million votes. That’s hardly going to make a dent in the outcome outside of New York and Miami. The same can be said for the “gay vote.”
Now, when it comes to PR and pocketbooks, that’s another matter and he needs to be careful there and pay a little closer attention to what’s going on. I know it’s not pc to say so and its my own demographics I’m talking about, but these two do have an impact well beyond their proportional representation in the voting population, bloc voters though they may be. And both have had a strong prediliction to voting Democrat.
For numbers, the two parties have to look to other blocs, Blacks, Latinos, Southern Whites, Christian Conservatives. The parties have to find a way to cobble together some kind of coalition and given the partisanship and hardlines being taken by “sides,” that’s not going to be easy.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
4:56 pm
Dave R,
I know as a birthday present my wife got me the Direct TV NFL Sunday Ticket. I’m a Browns fan because I began my business career in Cleveland and the town is one of the best sports cities in the U.S. even though the teams haven’t been all that good they turn out anyway. Falcons first, Browns second, Green Bay third.
carlosgvv
September 25th, 2011
4:58 pm
Brosephus
So we can look for a white Atlanta Mayor in the reasonably near future? And, of course, we will be able to look out the window and see pigs flying.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
5:00 pm
“Another decisive victory away from home pushed LSU to No. 1 in The Associated Press college football poll for the first time since 2007.”DMN.
Who dat wins too.
What happened to the Braves?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
5:08 pm
Brosephus, Jay, all I can say is that I’ve not only served with Black people in the military and worked with them in my business career I don’t believe the prejudice is as pervasive as it is often made out to be from my own experiences.. Is there misunderstanding between the races? is there differences in culture? of course there is. I’m married to an Asian American and my four year old is of mixed blood. We just returned from S.E. Asia to visit my wife’s family. Talk about differences in culture? Do we think about it? No. I couldn’t understand many words they spoke but they treated me warmly and with love.
bman
September 25th, 2011
5:10 pm
Everyone here always seems to believe they know everything about….well..everything. So, what’s teh easiest software to use to build a website?
1811/0311
September 25th, 2011
5:12 pm
Headline: “Obama Recommits to Fighting For Minorities in CBC Speech”
“CBC” ?
At WalMart that would be “MC”.
At least that’s what they call one of the card sections there …….. “Mahogany” !
Good grief ……….. you can’t even have a birthday card section without dividing racially.
pogo
September 25th, 2011
5:14 pm
Josef, I think the Jewish are like the rest of us at this point; we ain’t satisfied with any one them but we all know one thing for sure, Obama is a totally inept loser and we are going to chose someone.
josef
September 25th, 2011
5:15 pm
Carlos
I can easily see Atlanta having a white mayor in the not so distant future. The demographics of the city (inside the perimeter) are changing dramatically and, more than many outiside the perimeter would like to admit, the city’s voters are far less concerned than previously with skin tone than they are with the issues affecting us all. “White” candidates can and do appeal to “Black” voters and vice-versa. There is a new political climate among the younger Atlantans as the present old guard passes into the pages of history as did the old guard before them.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
5:16 pm
So we can look for a white Atlanta Mayor in the reasonably near future?
If I had a vote in the last election, I would have gone with Norwood over Reed. I don’t judge a candidate based on race. Bias and perception plays a major role in our choices. When you do absolutely nothing to break down those two, you actually play into them and give them more validity.
Recon
For the most part, there is little actual prejudice. The problem in our society is that people simply refuse to confront those things head on and eliminate the perceived biases. If you don’t actively try to knock those barriers down, you can’t move beyond them. There are indeed differences in cultures here, but the similarities far outweight the differences. People focus so much on the negative that they fail to see the positive.
1811/0311
September 25th, 2011
5:19 pm
“People focus so much on the negative that they fail to see the positive.”
…………… and what happens is that as true racial issues get less and better there are those in our society who must make them look bigger and worse in order to continue their agenda !
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
5:25 pm
Brosephus,
As I’m certain most people know it they’ve had any pro-longed occasion to interact with people of different races it doesn’t take long before you never even think about the racial difference.
josef
September 25th, 2011
5:25 pm
pogo
As you know, I’m no Obamaniac. I didn’t vote for him last go ’round and won’t this go ’round. But I disagree that he is “totally” inept or a “loser.” He’s caught in a position where the two “sides” are hell bent on creating as much animosity and polarization as possible. Trying to steer a middle course there is all but impossible. It’s pretty hard to reach a consensus and compromise when none of those charged with the podium at their disposal wants it, And who ever comes in behind him, be it 2012 or 2016, Republican or Democrat, is going to be just as hamstrung, imo.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
5:27 pm
At least that’s what they call one of the card sections there …….. “Mahogany” !
Good grief ……….. you can’t even have a birthday card section without dividing racially.
It’s not dividing. What you’re seeing is simply free market principles at work. Somebody saw a market for cards, so they provided the product for people to purchase. IF they were not needed, they would not sell and be continuously replaced. Are you suggesting that you don’t like the free market when it works as it should?
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
5:29 pm
Recon
No doubt. Even with the past that I’ve had, I don’t focus on race or racial issues. If I did, I wouldn’t be able to enjoy life and/or excel at the opportunities that present themselves to me. I agree with you 100%, and I think that most of the problems arise when people self-segregate themselves. That’s completely counter to the “melting pot” idea that America is supposed to represent.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
5:31 pm
and what happens is that as true racial issues get less and better there are those in our society who must make them look bigger and worse in order to continue their agenda !
Is that any different than the political pundits who continuously stoke partisanship to keep their pockets filling up? You’re always gonna have jackasses in society. Just because they’re acting an ass does not mean you have to join in with them.
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
5:31 pm
Bro, If people are calling you names do you go to them and kiss their azz? I sure as hell wouldn’t, and I don’t blame Bush.
I blame him for several things, but not that.
josef
September 25th, 2011
5:33 pm
BROSEPHUS
I guess there shouldn’t be a section of Rosh Hashana cards, too, eh? Funny, but I’ve gotten more of these greetings from my non Jewish friends than my Jewish ones! Reckon maybe the melanin deficient might be buying those mahogany cards to send to their melanin enriched friends and family?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
September 25th, 2011
5:40 pm
My precious little girl wants me to play checkers with her. Have a pleasant evening y’all. I’m out.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
5:54 pm
If people are calling you names do you go to them and kiss their azz?
Is that not the same exact thing that Conservatives are asking Black Americans to do en masse by supporting them in elections? C’mon man, that’s not what I’m talking about, but if that’s how it is perceived, then we will never break through any barriers to end this crap.
Bush was the president to all of America, just as Obama is. I’d hold Obama to the same standards if he turned down the US Chamber of Commerce or any other conservative group in the same manner. It’s not a matter of kissing anybody’s ass. It’s a matter of fulfilling your obligations as President of the United States.
josef
Those cards are potentially the wrecking balls to break down those walls. Perceptions and pre-judgement will not allow people to let their natural curiosity take over to actually try to understand what those cards are about and what they mean.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
5:55 pm
In the real world, if you look at the stinking pile of crap w and the gop handed him, the actions of the gop after losing and global politics, you would see our President has done a good job.
cons don’t live in the real world but Independents like me do.
theyeshaveit
September 25th, 2011
5:56 pm
bman,
Ask and you shall receive – maybe. So, you want to build a web site. The easiest way is the worst way, that is, buy a template. But if you don’t mind a learning curve that will render your site something that you can truly call your own, I would suggest learning HTML 5.0 and CSS. These are languages. There is no cost involved, just time. Then get a text editor. I recommend Aptana Studio 2.0. You can download the software for FREE.
Have fun.
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
6:08 pm
” Bush was the president to all of America”
Bro, Exactly my point. Why should any President feel that they have to speak to any individual group? Whether it’s Jew, Catholic, African Americans, Gays, Muslims, etc’
As you stated he is the Presidend of all od us and the sooner everyone realizes that the better off we all will be.
If you kill or beat up a few particular groups it can be considered a hate crime, isn’t it a hate crime if someone beats me up? shouldn’t the punishment fit the crime and not the perrsons sexual preference or the color of their skin?
There are to many groups that feel they should have special treatment and it’s not helping our melting pot.
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
6:10 pm
Getalife, If you’re an independent then I’m Jesus Christ.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
6:11 pm
bman,
https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=blogger&passive=1209600&continue=http://www.blogger.com/home&followup=http://www.blogger.com/home<mpl=start#s01
It is free.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
6:13 pm
w destroyed our country and our President saved our country.
theyeshaveit
September 25th, 2011
6:14 pm
poison pen,
That we have a “melting pot” is a myth. Moreover, it is a myth that we can do without. This nation is one nation of diverse peoples, cultures, languages and faiths. And it is that diversity that makes this nation uniquely qualified to lead the world, for we are, in a way, the world. We need to give up the false notion that we can throw a brown or yellow body into a melting pot and have them come out some other color with some other idea that we deem are “American”. This nation is not and has truly never been a melting pot; rather it is a mozaic that is at once one yet many.
theyeshaveit
September 25th, 2011
6:16 pm
getalife,
As I mentioned to bman, the template route is the free and easy route. But if you’re serious, then you really want to hand code your own site.
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
6:19 pm
theyeshaveit,
I’ll stick with the melting pot, it’s been good for my entire lifetime, your viewpoint is good also.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
6:25 pm
poison pen: Why should any President feel that they have to speak to any individual group?
A group is made up of individuals, and it is the individual groups that makes America what it is. Candidates have no problem speaking to individual groups when raising money or campaigning for votes, why should it change when one becomes President? Whether it’s Georgians, Blacks, Whites, Old, Young, Male, or Female, the President is still president to one and all. Once we get to the point where special interest groups are no longer necessary, then the president should not be required to address them.
My point is that no President should be able to spend his time dealing with friendly groups. They should all have to face their critics as well. Only then can you test the mettle of the POTUS. If we truly want someone in DC that can build a consensus, it can’t be done by addressing only those who agree with you.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
6:29 pm
If you kill or beat up a few particular groups it can be considered a hate crime, isn’t it a hate crime if someone beats me up? shouldn’t the punishment fit the crime and not the perrsons sexual preference or the color of their skin?
Totally different subject for a totally different post. If someone beats you up based upon their hatred for any particular group you belong to, then yep, it’s a hate crime. If someone beats you up just because you shot off at the mouth at them or something, then no. As I’ve said before, when you remove barriers protecting minorities from needless persecution, you’re only setting yourself up if/when you become the minority. There are some cases where minority groups need added protection. Until we get beyond that, I have no problem with those kinds of laws.
As for me personally, unless they get the drop on me, anybody wishing to come at me wrong because of my skin color had better pack a lunch. They might also check to make sure their medical/life/burial insurance is up to date too.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
6:31 pm
cons will not even call him their President.
They even asked for his birth certificate.
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
6:38 pm
Getalife, Do you have a birth certificate?
poison pen
September 25th, 2011
6:43 pm
” Totally different subject for a totally different post. If someone beats you up based upon their hatred for any particular group you belong to, then yep, it’s a hate crime.”
Nope, I don’t see it that way, there will always be people who want to do harm to other groups, for many reasons. All crimes should be treated equal, you or anyone else should not be treated any different than the person next to you.
Asking for special favors is what’s ruining our country and dividing our people. It’s ok to disagree with this as I’m sure no-one will ever agree with anything in our country anyways.
josef
September 25th, 2011
6:47 pm
poison
The crowd who jumped Reginald Denney are guilty of a hate crime. If I jump your a-double just because you’re straight, that’s a hate crime. Painting a swastika on a Jewish tombstone is a hate crime. Dragging a black man behind a pickup is a hate crime. Shooting a teenager because he’s flying the rebel battle flag is a hate crime. Spitting on somebody because s/he’s speaking Spanish is a hate crime.
It’s not that complicated. It’s a matter of pressing the charge when it becomes politicized.
getalife
September 25th, 2011
6:52 pm
“Getalife, Do you have a birth certificate?”
Yes.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 25th, 2011
6:55 pm
Asking for special favors is what’s ruining our country and dividing our people.
If you see hate crimes as asking for a special favor, then we’ll never agree. Until you’ve actually been part of a group who have been, for lack of a better term, sh*tted on throughout history, you’ll never understand. IF people had never been lynched, burned, shot, dragged, or anything else because of nothing other than their skin tone, sexual persuasion, or anything else, you’d have a point. However, history proves your point as moot as our country has a long and sordid history of picking on the minority just because he/she is a minority.
Kamchak
September 25th, 2011
6:55 pm
getalife
Print your very own Kenyan birth certificate here.
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/08/05/generate-kenyan-birth-certificate/
bman
September 25th, 2011
6:57 pm
eyes and getalife….thank you. I don’t know code or anything like that, but I don’t like templates, either. lol…I did just download microsoft expression (i “think” i can do it). It’s for a business
josef
September 25th, 2011
7:12 pm
BROSEPHUS
“Until you’ve actually been part of a group who have been, for lack of a better term, sh*tted on throughout history, you’ll never understand.”
And that is the point in a nutshell. I’ve been in brawls stemming from just that, and I’ve been in brawls just because I (or they) shot their mouths off. I can get just as bent out of shape when some one of my minority label folks wants to go yapping “hate crime” when, after picking the fight, get their a33es whupped and then go claiming it was anti-whatever label in origin…that’s hypocracy. If you are one of “those people,” whoever “those people” may be, then you know which is which…it’s not, as I said, that complicated.
out of the blue
September 25th, 2011
7:19 pm
Jeez, Josef I did not realize you were such a bad ass (insert huge smiley face here!)
josef
September 25th, 2011
7:25 pm
Blue
Hey, among my many labels, I’m also a Gulley Jumpin’ Swamp Rat…got eight sibilings, a hillside full of cuzzins and grew up frequeting juke joints…brawlin’ is second nature, a life skill, and, yes back in the day, an evening’s entertainment!
out of the blue
September 25th, 2011
7:34 pm
I think this family might mirror yours…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To