Obama summoning ghosts of presidents past

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Very interesting.

President Obama was in Ohio today, trying to build support for his jobs-and-infrastructure program. He spoke standing next to the Brent Spence Bridge, an aging structure that spans the Ohio River and connects Ohio, the home state of House Speaker John Boehner, to Kentucky, the home state of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

“Now, that’s just a coincidence. Purely accidental, that that happened,” he told the crowd jokingly.

Politico live-blogged the speech:

Obama says “there’s nothing wrong” with asking the rich to pay more. And he says that if asking the rich to pay more in taxes is class warfare, “then you know what? I’m a warrior for the middle class. I’m happy to fight for the middle class. I’m happy to fight for working people.”

I don’t know about you, but that sounds reminiscent of FDR’s famous speech in the 1936 campaign, in which he attacked “the old enemies of peace–business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.”

“Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.”

And then there’s this part, in which Obama seems to be channeling another well-known speech by another well-known president:

“Mr. Boehner, Mr. McConnell, help us rebuild this bridge. Help us rebuild America. Help us put construction workers back to work. Pass this bill.”

I’m sure that one went over well in certain quarters.
– Jay Bookman

480 comments Add your comment

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm

‘Bout time he quit being wishy-washy.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm

Cha cha cha … dancing to that good old fashioned Trotsky soul.

Shake a leg, Mr. President! :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm

Obama should repeat that speech over and over and over again in front of every failing bridge and roadway throughout the nation. Time to put an end to this Republican/Tea Party nonsense.

USMC

September 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm

And all the while Obama is out playing politics instead of working, the country’s economy keeps faltering…

Stocks End Sharply Lower on Recession Fears
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44624491

We need an Intelligent President; Obama is a Buffoon! :-)

Stonethrower

September 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm

I thought the first stimulus package set aside money for repairing bridges. Where can we go to find out where the funds were allocated?

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm

Looks like the whiners got our new thread!

However, on a more serious note…I do wish Brother Obama WOULD take a page or two from FDR…and spice it up with a little Huey P and show the GOP how it’s done…

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm

USMC: “And all the while Obama is out playing politics instead of working, the country’s economy keeps faltering…”

What’s that supposed to mean? How do you “play politics” ? And isn’t politics what a politician is appointed to do? Not to get all Aristotelian on you there … but … :)

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm

They can’t even pass a disaster aid bill.

We need a new house.

Get our country back.

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm

Good counterattack. Take their false rhetoric and use it against them.

(ir)Rational

Told ya -

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm

TROTSKY and good fight…

Public works…rational socialism…he ain’t no socialist, though.. d*mmit!

md

September 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm

Let’s see……….we backed down from supplying planes to Taiwan because the Chinese are affecting our decisions, and the idea is to borrow a bunch more to build bridges……………

Makes sense to someone………..

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm

Oh no he didn’t!

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm

They are not spending because they are scared of losing their jobs.

We need to create jobs not take them cons.

Pass the bill cons.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm

josef, Boehner is a socialist so that would mean Obama can’t be. ;)

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm

and the idea is to borrow a bunch more to build bridges……………Makes sense to someone…

Like the someones who need to get to y’know, WORK.

build the bridge beeotch

September 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm

I once seanced ethel merman and mama cass showed-not to shabby

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm

md

“Makes sense to someone”

Well, we can’t very well ship the infrastructure jobs off shore, now can we? :-)

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm

“I welcome their hate!”

Brilliant. Thats the way of telling your opponents “suck on this…”

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm

good fight

Boehner…Bolshevik
Obama…Menshevik

:-)

ty webb

September 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

“Brilliant. Thats the way of telling your opponents “suck on this…”

or yet another way to turn yourself into a “victim”…it does play well though.

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

At least Obama’s plan is really paid for as opposed to that Laffer Curve approach to pretending to pay for tax cuts that Bush used and his complete failure to even consider actually paying for his wars or his prescription drug company benefit.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

josef: “Public works…rational socialism…he ain’t no socialist, though.. d*mmit!”

Ah but we can dream. I guess. :)

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm

Josef, You have to know ” how ” it’s done before you can ” show ” how to get it done.

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm

USMC

That’s Buffetoon, Mate…

md

September 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm

“Like the someones who need to get to y’know, WORK.”

Creating a bigger problem to “solve” a problem rarely works…….long term.

Sure, let’s create some short term jobs so that a larger percentage of the population can lose their jobs later on…………..

As I said, makes sense to someone………..

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

Aquagirl, Please show us where people can’t get to work because of bad bridges.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

Stonethrower

Recovery.org

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

Boehner is a socialist so that would mean Obama can’t be

Boehner is of the sub-species Orangeus BooHooii while Obama is Commieus Kenyattus You really need to brush up on your Tea Party taxonomy.

ty webb

September 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

I hear that that bridge is used quite a bit…how ’bout they make it a toll to pay for the project…and both KY and OH can “promise” to cease said toll after construction.

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm

poison

True that…and since neither side knows how, that’s pretty much why not much is getting done…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

Allowing bridges and infrastructure to fail makes it so easier for workers who have to drive to additional 40+ miles to next bridge, deal with traffic jams, and that of course makes it easier for truckers too and slows down deliverys and markets. Oh well, I guess the wingnut whine about providing a good business environment does not apply to infrastructure.

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

Well dinner time, you Jaybirds have fun.

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

Well, we can’t very well ship the infrastructure jobs off shore, now can we?

Actually, Josef, yes we can:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2011/06/26/california_getting_impressive_bridge_made_in_china/

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

Josef, Amen!

Jefferson

September 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm

Gomer is name calling again, look at the market dip as a buying opportunity…

md

September 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm

“Well, we can’t very well ship the infrastructure jobs off shore, now can we?”

Wouldn’t bet on that one…….next thing one knows we’ll have a bunch of F1 engineers specializing in special bridge building……………and they’ll be hiring undocumented workers………….

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:29 pm

Speaking of bridges and Huey P…anybody remember the Sunshine Bridge… ? Bizarre as it sounded at the time, it was a pretty solid plan all in all…

GM

September 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm

Obama, why keep doing it, you have a bunch of poor idiot tea party members who rather side with Boehner who has done nothing in his home state.
This is the beauty of the poor, middle class tea party they fight for rich people, big business who dont care if they live or die, as long as the hannity, rush, sara tell them Obama is the cause the bridges and enconomy is bad the puppet tea party will continue to ingnore the truth.

Hey President Obama, come to Georgia and point out some of these bad roads and bridges that rep party have done nothing to repair under 2 rep adminstration maybe the hicks who vote these people in office year after year will wake up”””’

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm

Aquagirl, Please show us where people can’t get to work because of bad bridges.

You mean like this one, Poison, from a week ago?

“Officials from Kentucky and Indiana are reassuring commuters that two remaining Ohio River bridges in Louisville are safe as the shutdown of a third span has left drivers in a tangle of detours and traffic. Mike Hancock, head of the Kentucky Department of Transportation, said at a news conference Monday that despite having to carry the load of more than 80,000 vehicles that normally would travel over the closed Sherman Minton Bridge, the two bridges posed no structural concerns. In a move Friday that stunned commuters on both sides of the river, officials abruptly closed the 50-year-old Sherman Minton Bridge when inspectors found cracks in its steel.

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm

JAY

Ouch! Well, live and learn…wonder if they want some levee work?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm

Aquagirl, please show me how GA400 bridge is used for people to get to work and for business, my ability to look up this information myself suffers because it was not provided to me by Fox? [snark]

Not even so much as a please or by your leave, m’ lady.
:lol:

Aquagirl, perhaps if we footnoted every word with a citation. We would still need an AJC tracker to see if they clicked it. Or maybe we could add it to Jay’s camera shot where he can watch what all posters are typing, ;)

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm

GM
You had me until you had to throw in that “hick” thing….tacky and trashy…looking for a seat on the Duk-sha-nee wagon?

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm

Thanks, Jay. I was wondering if swimming had become a normal part of the daily commute.

Joe Mama

September 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm

Aquagirl — “Boehner is of the sub-species Orangeus BooHooii while Obama is Commieus Kenyattus You really need to brush up on your Tea Party taxonomy.”

I loves me some Aquagirl! :D

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm

Aquagirl

Ask the folks in New Orleans…course most of them have a Pirogue in the garage… :-)

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 22nd, 2011
5:43 pm

“Aquagirl, Please show us where people can’t get to work because of bad bridges.”

Are you joking, poison pen? The nation’s largest city is largely dependent on bridges for access to the central business districts.

BADA BING

September 22nd, 2011
5:49 pm

Have a bake sale and raise enough to fix the bridges. At $16 a muffin it wouldn’t take too long. It’s Shake and Bake. And I hepped.

josef

September 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm

BADA

Where you been…?

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
5:53 pm

Are you joking, poison pen?

I think the reflexive knee-jerk nature of the Party Of Nobama makes them spit this stuff out without even considering how it sounds. Geez….I can see how crossing rivers without a bridge might be a problem, and I’m not even an inferior air-breather. :)

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
6:00 pm

BADA BING

September 22nd, 2011
6:00 pm

Hey josef…..I have been around. I recently ran into a streak of good fortune. Something paid off for me and let’s just say I am living a lot better. I have been busy planning many trips this winter, and improving my lifestyle. Good to hear from you, hope school is good for you.

Mad Max

September 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm

Taxpayer @ 5:23 – You really believe Obama’s plan is paid for. If so, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. He’s going to pay for it in the future, right! Are you really that naive? He has done zilch to reduce the deficit and what’s happening to Greece will look like a minor blip on the radar compared to what happens when we default. There’s not enough free money in the world to bail us out when we go under. But I guess everybody will be happy because we will all end up on the dole and anarchy will prevail and we can start all over again.

We tried stimulus 1, it didn’t work, why will stimulus 2 work? As he said early on, get in the back of the bus, we’re in control now. Well we’ve seen his version of control and we continue to spiral down the toilet. All we get is rhetoric and one liners. He should retire and work at the Comedy Club.

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:01 pm

Jay

Aquagirl, Please show us where people can’t get to work because of bad bridges.

You mean like this one, Poison, from a week ago?

” “Officials from Kentucky and Indiana are reassuring commuters that two remaining Ohio River bridges in Louisville are safe as the shutdown of a third span has left drivers in a tangle of detours and traffic. Mike Hancock, head of the Kentucky Department of Transportation, said at a news conference Monday that despite having to carry the load of more than 80,000 vehicles that normally would travel over the closed Sherman Minton Bridge, the two bridges posed no structural concerns. In a move Friday that stunned commuters on both sides of the river, officials abruptly closed the 50-year-old Sherman Minton Bridge when inspectors found cracks in its steel.”

Jay, According to the Transportation Dept. we have over 600,000 ( that’s Six Hundred Thousand ) bridges Jay, and you can cite one ( 1 ) WOW! So tell us how much you would like to spend on the ones that are troubling commuters.

Yes Jay, my Google works fine also.

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm

Madmax, Jay has one bridge that’s for sale.

BADA BING

September 22nd, 2011
6:03 pm

Hey, I have heard for years that there is a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Why doesn’t obama buy that one?

josef

September 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm

IMAM
Why the Fatwah? Explain please…how was what I said any worse than the Du-sha-nee?

BADA BING

September 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm

Make more toll bridges. Charge millionaires more to cross them. Let illegals cross free.

Mad Max

September 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm

poisen – That’s the one I’ll sell to Taxpayer

josef

September 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm

Oh, and BTW folks, my post contained no foul language (in English anyway) and was merely a “back atcha” in the spirit of Our President’s comments the Imam (rightfully so) found laudable…

:-)

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm

Aquagirl: “.I can see how crossing rivers without a bridge might be a problem … ”

I mean, how are the jet pack developers and manufacturers of the future going to get up and running if we don’t give them an obstacle to overcome? I say!!! We must stop listening to these nagging nabobs of negativity with their 20th C transportation solutions and lack of faith in the ultimate goodness of the marketplace, these worry warts modern buggy whip makers who would trick us with the insidious logic of the familiar and would have us believe that the best way to get from point A to B is in a straight line — ha! I say — and that the best way across water is over a bridge. How 20th century! Not what we capitalists of tomorrow are about!!!!

Matti shrugs it off

September 22nd, 2011
6:08 pm

Mad Max,

I agree about the stimulus. Giving money to the banks was a HUGE mistake! They were supposed to use that money to extend credit to small businesses, help bail us out and grow the economy. They sat on it instead, helping only themsleves. It’s harder now than ever to get a loan, and anyone who knows a small business owner knows they need those lines of credit to pay people, purchase supplies, and move forward. I had one tell me the other night: “I don’t need a tax cut. I need a better line of credit for my business and the banks are yanking my balls!”

EFF the banks!!! Let’s build something for a change.

BADA BING

September 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm

josef….something different. There is a remake of Straw Dogs (Dustin H in the original) . Did you see the first one? Are you going to see the new one?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 22nd, 2011
6:10 pm

Trotsky…. keep asking about those jetpacks…I am sure someone will “remind” us how Fox reported the LA police ordered a few million $ worth? :lol:

jm

September 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm

Jay 5:27 – bingo

Keynesian economics don’t work in a global economy

Mad Max

September 22nd, 2011
6:13 pm

Matti – Do you really think he would see it through. So far, he shows as much attention to details like my blind deaf dog. Actually, that’s an insult to my dog.

Brosephus™ - Hypocrisy, I put that s**t on everything!!

September 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm

And all the while Obama is out playing politics instead of working, the country’s economy keeps faltering…

C’mon man….
That’s that whole “I hope he fails”/”Make Obama a one-term President” mentality on full display like a peacock strutting on the prowl. If Conservative logic dictates that the government can not create jobs, and that is a function that can only be accomplished by the private sector, why in the hell would you try to blame Obama for something that your logic states he has absolutely no control over? That is nothing more than rhetorical windchiming in the hope that you make enough noise to cause him to lose re-election. I would expect much better from a group who claims to be so friggin’ patriotic and all about protecting, defending, and helping America.

md

If someone starts using F1 engineers to build bridges, I’m gonna have a field day at work. F1’s are student’s only, so they at least better be J1 research scholars, or I’m putting them on the next plane with the engines running. :)

josef

September 22nd, 2011
6:15 pm

BADA

I have my problems with Peckinpah…saw the original and found it a bit on the “Deliverance” Erskine Caldwell side for me…I’ll take a pass on the remake…

josef

September 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm

IMAM

Okay, so don’t tell me…but you certainly told me something about you with your doing that…

Matti shrugs it off

September 22nd, 2011
6:18 pm

Mad Max,

Oh, I’m sorry! I thought we were discussing the merits of the ideas to stimulate the economy. You’re on a Prez bash. I’m sure that’s much more useful. :roll: My bad!

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm

Bro, Obama’s supposed to gather his crescent-wrench set and screwdrivers and hammer and plyers and go down into the White House basement where The Economy is kept and FIX THE DAMN THING!

Only problem is, the parts that he needs are on back order from China.

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm

Jay, According to the Transportation Dept. we have over 600,000 ( that’s Six Hundred Thousand ) bridges Jay, and you can cite one ( 1 ) WOW!

PP, just take the loss like a man.

josef

September 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm

IMAM
And, yes, I see you took down what brought it on, too…but why all of the sudden…you’ve been letting him get by with just such for how long?

Brosephus™ - Hypocrisy, I put that s**t on everything!!

September 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm

Jay

That article you linked is quite unsettling. I can see us becoming the international crackheads within the next 50 years. We won’t know how to knit socks without first contacting China or India. I don’t see much hope for our future at all.

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm

Those closed or collapsed bridges are everywhere, Poison. We’ve got at least one in downtown Atlanta, the Mitchell Street bridge. And I won’t even mention the scores of bridges, perhaps more, taken down in the hurricane-related flooding up north.

Brosephus™ - Hypocrisy, I put that s**t on everything!!

September 22nd, 2011
6:22 pm

Jay @ 6:19

Well, once he’s done in the basement, he’d better get out in the WH garage and fix that engine in that car. I also hope he puts a badass paint job and some 30″ spinning rims on it if he hopes to get re-elected.

:)

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm

Schrodingers cat

September 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm

we’ll see….let’s assume a spherical horse. :)

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm

Wow. People are actually trying to attack infrastructure spending now? By saying things like we can’t offshore the jobs and there’s no jobs lost over not spending the money? You are wrong on both counts. This is necessary spending. It wouldn’t even be an issue if the hatred of this President wasn’t so strong that ANYTHING he suggests MUST be opposed.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm

jm: “Keynesian economics don’t work in a global economy”

Says who? The international framework favored by Keynes was never actually adopted you know.

Keep, jetpacks in LA!! Oh my. Then people wouldn’t walk in LA for sure.

Don't Tread

September 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm

Yep…thought the first stimulus with its “shovel ready” projects was supposed to take care of this one. :roll: A lie?

Maybe we can get some of that money back from ACORN, et al and take care of this little bridge problem.

It’s another justification speech for raising taxes (in the middle of the Great Recession).

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm

jm: When you say stuff like “Keynesian economics doesn’t work” you prove you don’t know what Keynesian economics actually are.

Same with “stimulus doesn’t work,” that proves you just aren’t paying attention to real facts and equating limited success with failure.

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm

Brosephus, your larger point is right on.

They veer from “keep your governmental hands off the economy!!” to “why won’t government fix the economy!” in nothing flat, without even acknowledging the contradiction.

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm

Jay, I don’t think anyone disputes that our bridges need work and a lot of roads also. It will take a lot more than fixing a few bridges to turn around our economy.

Even if we fixed 10 or 20 brigdes in every state it isn’t squat. Hell the $527,000,000 that was wasted on Solyndra could probably fix a few.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm

Don’t Tread: The middle of the Great Recession was 2008. That was 3 years ago. Time to move on.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm

poison pen: Jay, I don’t think anyone disputes that our bridges need work and a lot of roads also

Yes they do! In this very thread!

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:30 pm

Adam

” Same with “stimulus doesn’t work,” that proves you just aren’t paying attention to real facts and equating limited success with failure.”

Adam, you are correct, very limited success, thank you for admitting it.

Brosephus™ - Hypocrisy, I put that s**t on everything!!

September 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm

Jay

I’m always in awe of how they shift gears like that. I don’t think even John Force is as smooth shifting gears that fast.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm

shhhhh…don’t anyone mention to poison how many bridges could have been fixed what with fighting that war in Iraq based upon the false Bush claims so that he could try to be BPOC.

josef

September 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm

poison

Who said anything about fixing a “few” bridges…there are thousands in need of repair and there’s a lot of people to be put to work doing that and providing the ancilliary services/products…we’ve got to quit thinking so small and start thinking big time…

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm

poison pen: Yes, limited success. NOT failure. NOT “it doesn’t work.”

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm

SoCoBroBrown, the 6:22 post was funny. Don’t forget the fuzzy dice in the window and the Crown on the back seat.

Schrodingers cat

September 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm

and then when the economy does not improve…then what?…If Greece collapses it doesn’t matter except the dollar will improve on the global market, but that in itself won’t be enough celebrate

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm

Adam, If you don’t have a problem spending other peoples money to the tune of Hundreds of Billions of dollars good for you. Just keep your hands off of my few bucks.

Matti shrugs it off

September 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm

poison,

Flossing your teeth won’t fix the economy either, but I’m betting it needs to be done. If you think we (Americans, the arrogant people who claim this is the greatest country on the planet) cannot do what needs to be done, then we might as well just throw in the towel now and call ourselves helpless wussies that need China to rule over us. Is that what you want?

Brosephus™ - Hypocrisy, I put that s**t on everything!!

September 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm

It will take a lot more than fixing a few bridges to turn around our economy.

That’s true. It’s also true that an avalanche can start with just a little shift in the snow pack at the right spot. Our economy will not turn around until we can re-spark demand. The initial “stimulus” was a success/non-success depending on how you look at it because it didn’t light the fuse to help spark demand. Personally, I think it stopped the slide we were in, but the money was not put into the right hands to generate demand in the fashion and amount we needed. I see it no different than the TARP bailout.

The money from those two helped stop the slide that was happening with private sector companies AND governments because it gave them money to shore up their finances. The mere act of them using that money to shore up themselves ultimately meant that little to none of that money was actually getting to the taxpayer, who is the catalyst that’s needed to spark demand. Had there been explicit directions on how that money was used in either program to ensure that at least half to 75% of the money ultimately made it to the consumer level, I don’t think we’d be having this discussion now.

The only way I’ll back any type of government stimulus-type program is if it’s designed to get money down to the consumer level as quickly as possible while limiting how much of that money can actually stay in the hands of state/local governments and private businesses. Neither one of those groups have shown they can put money into circulation in the amount needed to spark demand. However, the consumer will always spend on necessities and will put money into circulation much faster and in larger amounts.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm

poison pen: Hey if you don’t want to pay your taxes, go ahead and keep your money. Let me know how that works out for you.

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm

Josef, At what cost? and how much more do you want to tax the working class? When does it ever stop? Our govt is so piss poor in handling our money it’s pathetic.

As much as I dislike Al Gore the one thing that I agree with him is that our govt should have put the SS money in a lockbox. When our govt is trustworthy and they don’t add hundreds of riders to their bills for all their friends than maybe I can go along with some of their projects.

Maybe you & Jay can tell me what happened to the Billions of dollars of stimulous money that I thought was supposed to fix some of these problems, or did you guys forget.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm

poison pen: and how much more do you want to tax the working class?

Who is proposing taxing the working class? As far as I can tell, only the “class warfare” Republicans want to do that.

poison pen

September 22nd, 2011
6:44 pm

Adam, I have probably paid 5 times the taxes that you will ever pay, they don’t tax much on welfare do they?