Best rebuttal to Koch brothers is their own bottom line

Forbes has released its annual update on the 400 richest Americans, with a 55-year-old college dropout by the name of Bill Gates still leading the list. His buddy Warren Buffett comes in second; Larry Ellison, co-founder of Oracle, is third; and the Koch brothers, David and Charles, are tied for fourth with $25 billion apiece. (George Soros is seventh at $22 billion).

Drawing upon the annual Forbes estimates, the folks at the Center of American Progress have charted the fortunes of the Koch brothers over the past 10 years. And I think it’s very interesting.

koch_brothers_fortune

While I have political differences with the Koch brothers, I don’t begrudge them the success that they have enjoyed, not in the least. These aren’t CEOs squeezing shareholders for more and more money; they themselves are the company owners, and they’ve clearly made wise business decisions.

Instead, I’m troubled by the gaping contrast between their political rhetoric and their own experience. Through the right-wing groups that they control and fund, and through their own statements, they describe an American economy that is so overrun with rules and regulations, so handicapped by high taxes and so deeply hostile to the interests of the wealthy that it has become difficult if not impossible to do business.

They have a special degree of disdain for President Obama. This summer, in a secret convention in Colorado of some of the nation’s wealthiest people, Charles Koch urged attendees to donate a million dollars apiece to his effort to defeat Obama, a fight that he called “the mother of all wars over the next 18 months, for the life or death of this country.”

Yet as the chart above demonstrates, despite the crippling restrictions allegedly placed on capitalism, the two brothers have somehow managed to more than quintuple their combined wealth, from roughly $7.5 billion to $50 billion, over the last seven years. In the last three years alone, most of it during the presidency of the much-despised Kenyan Marxist usurper destroyer of America, they have increased their wealth by a remarkable $20 billion. That three-year increase alone is more than 200,000 times the median household wealth in this country.

Again, I don’t begrudge them that success. I just don’t understand how they can then turn around and complain incessantly about how terribly this country and this administration treats them and their peers, because incontrovertible evidence to the contrary is right there on their own bottom line.

What more do they want?

– Jay Bookman

682 comments Add your comment

Normal

September 22nd, 2011
10:24 am

What more do they want?

They want it all!

Kamchak

September 22nd, 2011
10:25 am

What more do they want?

Everything and then some.

Plus, they want Obama’s birth certificate.

md

September 22nd, 2011
10:27 am

And as we bicker amongst ourselves, the world is turning…….an outsiders view of the recent decision not to sell new F-16’s to Taiwan:

“The Philippines’ Gazmin saw the move as primarily the result of Washington’s limited options in the face of China’s significant holdings of American Treasuries, and the threat that poses to America’s fiscal stability.

“It has a large debt and if China will try to apply pressure, the U.S. can end up in trouble,” he said. “The U.S. has to temper its relations with Taiwan for China.”"

It’s time to quit the bickering and come up with a sound plan to reverse course………….

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
10:33 am

Why are people so upset about their money? What does it really matter to you in the long run/real world? What is it going to change IN YOUR LIFE if the government finds someway to take a significant portion of their money from them?

southpaw

September 22nd, 2011
10:35 am

Would Warren Buffett still be second if Berkshire Hathaway took his suggestion and paid more taxes?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/warren_buffett_hypocrite_E3BsmJmeQVE38q2Woq9yjJ

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
10:36 am

Plus, they want Obama’s birth certificate.

The Kenyan one. Of course. Is that too much to ask?

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:37 am

Yes, that reminds me of some poster once who was telling the sordid tale of how Arthur Blanc and Donald Trump were lamenting about how if they started their companies today, they would be so tied down with regulations they wouldn’t have been able to do it.

My reply?

Who gives a f*ck about their stupid whining? It’s one thing to whine about stupid hypotheticals and what ifs, but it’s another to just whine for whining sake and not take into account that they are two of the richest men in the country due to the fact that they benefitted from the real life policies in play that helped them these years amass a fortune.

And again, like Jay, I don’t begrudge them their success, hell I LOVE Home Depot, but I simply don’t want to hear their bitching about stupid irrelevant hypotheticals when they could wipe their asses with $100 bills.

Brosephus™ - Disliking Politicians Since 1973

September 22nd, 2011
10:37 am

Again, I don’t begrudge them that success. I just don’t understand how they can then turn around and complain incessantly about how terribly this country and this administration treats them and their peers, because incontrovertible evidence to the contrary is right there on their own bottom line.

Smoke and mirrors, man… Smoke and mirrors.

It’s just like a pickpocket bumping you on the shoulder to distract your attention while lifting your wallet from your back pocket.

Kamchak

September 22nd, 2011
10:38 am

The Kenyan one. Of course. Is that too much to ask?

Geez..All they had to do was go here.

CJ

September 22nd, 2011
10:39 am

Greed is good, Jay. Haven’t you read Ayn Rand’s “The Virtue of Selfishness”? It’ll change your life.

(Incidentally, my affinity for Ayn Rand’s philosophy in no way contradicts my devotion to the teachings of Jesus.)

southpaw

September 22nd, 2011
10:39 am

Maybe hedge funds SHOULD be taxed more. That looks like the best bet for taxing George Soros into oblivion.

Dirty Dawg

September 22nd, 2011
10:39 am

I hate to take it out on a local company, and if they didn’t want the attention they shouldn’t have sold out to these cretins, but the only thing that I can think of that I might tend to purchase from anything the Kochs own is from Georgia-Pacific. Don’t touch Brawny, Vanity Fair or Dixie (as in cups) products….dry ‘em up, so to speak. Won’t do much but it might get some product manager’s attention and he/she could decide to become a whistle-blower – there’s got to be a ton of inside crap that might, in fact, touch a nerve with these guys.

Brosephus™ - Disliking Politicians Since 1973

September 22nd, 2011
10:39 am

I simply don’t want to hear their bitching about stupid irrelevant hypotheticals when they could wipe their asses with $100 bills.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Images like that is what makes me happy that I make enough to pay my bills and not have lots of cash to keep in my pockets….. just damn… :cry:

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:39 am

irRational,

No one is upset over the amount of money they have acquired — that is not the point. What IS the point is they bitch about how regulations have hurt them when nothing could be futher from the truth.

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
10:40 am

I can’t speak for the Koch brothers, but am confident they would tell you it’s not about the money. Instead, it is the Progressive ideology they oppose as it is not the vision of America they favor. One example beat to death recently on this thread is federal income tax. When wage earners paying no federal income tax become sufficient in numbers, theoretically it could be the end of the multi-party political system. For example, they woould not vote for a party that will end the government payments to them.

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
10:40 am

All that Koch money piled up in their accounts will not buy a cure for, well, greed, for example.

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
10:40 am

You don’t attack those who serve your interests. You attack those who threaten your interests.

And if you can enlist a group of people whose interests are not served by you, to go to war with you, then congratulations, you’ve read and understand Sun Tzu’s The Art of War.

So why attack Obama while their fortune has skyrocketed under Obama? Because Obama has spoken of bringing equity and reasonableness to the system. Republicans speak of loosening the system even more, which will result in even more wealth accumulation.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:41 am

Brosephus,

I have often thought that the greates invention of all time was not the bread slicer, penicillin, or even the Inernet, but yes, toilet paper.

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
10:41 am

And Jay

That would make another great question for the Republican debate tonight.

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
10:41 am

I can’t speak for the Koch brothers, but am confident they would tell you it’s not about the money.

Johnny made a funny.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:43 am

“For example, they woould not vote for a party that will end the government payments to them”

That’s a false argument Reb, for one you are assuming that everyone in that category is a Democrat (I’m assuming) and two, it completely leaves out the fact that the opposite end of the spectrum is not true. Why would the rich vote out those that benefit them politically and financially?

Not to mention that poor people are less likely to even be involved in the voting process or know enough about policies that effect them.

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
10:43 am

md.

Your precious billionaires like these kock bros. make the rules so stop whining about it.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:44 am

“Why would the rich vote out those that benefit them politically and financially?”

Left something out — and Reb, you are assuming that those that are rich are all Republican.

Now, I can rest easier.

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
10:44 am

TaxPayer – of course they like money and want more of it, but their opposition to Obama and Progressives is obviously not about their lack of making money. They have a higher purpose in mind whether you or others agree with them or not.

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
10:44 am

I buy POM toilet paper because it is a good buy at Sam’s. Also, I like to think I’m wiping my butt with… nah, not really. That does raise an interesting question though. Why don’t the Koch boys take more pride in their products and print their likenesses on them.

Normal

September 22nd, 2011
10:45 am

Off topic, but this is funny…in a pitiful sort of way…

http://www.slate.com/id/2304311/

Fly-On-The-Wall

September 22nd, 2011
10:45 am

I’m tired of those who have most all of it complain that they can’t get more it. I consider the Koch brothers dangerous to the Republic, they want to destroy it and rebuild it in their image.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:45 am

Brosephus,

And apparently my fingers are not doing a good job of hitting the “t” key this morning! :)

md

September 22nd, 2011
10:45 am

“All that Koch money piled up in their accounts will not buy a cure for, well, greed, for example.”

Yet, folks from both parties play the game…….some just disguise their greed a bit better………how much is enough? And if one believes in sharing the wealth, why aren’t they sharing more??

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
10:45 am

TaxPayer – And greed is a bad thing? Their greed is in no way hurting you is it? Just curious.

Bosch – I’ve heard plenty of people bitch about how much they have, which is where that came from. I don’t care, they can complain about anything they want to, whenever they want to. Same as you. Same as me. Same as, well you get the point. (Can you do me a favor and tell me “what” I am this morning, I’m confusing myself with my differing views on abortion and taxes). :)

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
10:46 am

They have a higher purpose in mind

Really. Did you learn this on your last trip to Colorado. Did it cost you a million.

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
10:48 am

There ya go md.

Deflect blame as usual.

Much better than whining about something that this generation has no will to change.

Brosephus™ - Disliking Politicians Since 1973

September 22nd, 2011
10:48 am

When wage earners paying no federal income tax become sufficient in numbers, theoretically it could be the end of the multi-party political system.

Or, it could end up causing mass protests because the American worker is constantly getting better at being more productive, and in return is having more and more of it’s wages going to exec level people who don’t have to be anywhere near as efficient, productive, or even hands-on.

We could hash theories on many different outcomes from the same scenario, but maybe you should clarify which group of people not paying federal taxes you’re referring to. Is it the middle and upper middle class people who can take advantage of enough deductions to zero out their liabilities? Is it the elderly who are on fixed incomes and/or incomes not subject to fed income taxes? Is it the working poor who don’t make enough to generate a tax liability? There’s many groups who make up that 47% that conservatives love to beat over the head like baby seals. The sad part is that a GOP president was the reason that number is as high as it is now.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
10:48 am

Can you provide something similar with Soros and his rhetoric?

md

September 22nd, 2011
10:48 am

“Your precious billionaires like these kock bros. make the rules so stop whining about it.”

Careful, you are talking out loud again……..folks can hear you.

Seeing as I only posted one post prior to this, I can only assume you are saying the Koch brothers decided not to sell F-16’s to Taiwan, and if that is the case, you must be implying that Obama is taking orders from them??

Aquagirl

September 22nd, 2011
10:49 am

my affinity for Ayn Rand’s philosophy in no way contradicts my devotion to the teachings of Jesus.

“And now I see the face of god, and I raise this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who will grant them joy and peace and pride. This god, this one word: ‘I.’”
–Ayn Rand

Fly-On-The-Wall

September 22nd, 2011
10:49 am

So funny that Repubs focus on Soros while he is further down the list than those that try to game the system against the middle class which are higher up on the list.

Granny Godzilla

September 22nd, 2011
10:49 am

Think Koch Brothers and then think Elizabeth Warren…

“I hear all this, you know, “Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.”—No! There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there—good for you! But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea—God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

She’s marvelous isn’t she.

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
10:50 am

Bosch – it is a well know Republican concern that Democrats are loading up supporters based on social programs and entitlements. Less educated voters tend to make snap decisions based on sound bites. My mother for example liked Republicans but all it took was a mention of cutting her SS check and she would vote Democrat.

dbm

September 22nd, 2011
10:50 am

Jay,

How have all the other companies in the country done?

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
10:50 am

Jay: No matter how much you say you don’t begrudge them success, cons only know talking points and will insist that you do, just because you criticize them.

That said, totally agree on all points. They ALSO engage in class warfare and then act like they are the victims.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

TaxPayer
September 22nd, 2011
10:40 am

It also can’t buy a cure for your stupid posts…..

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

Flyonthe Wall – if you dislike the Koch brothers for the reasons you list, you should also not like Soros.

dbm

September 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

@ Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:37 am

If their statement is true, isn’t it something we need to know?

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

irRational,

Okay, let me check…….

…….

…….

Today is a Thursday…..September 22…..(Bosch holds up finger to test wind direction)….

…..okay, here we go…today, you are a what? Well, that doesn’t make sense….(Bosch shakes magic calendar)….

….(reads again, gets same result)…..

well, irRational it appears that today, the magic calendar says you are a dirty freaking Zorastrian. I’ve never seen that, maybe I need new batteries for this thing.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

My previous post will really get him started.

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
10:51 am

TaxPayer – And greed is a bad thing? Their greed is in no way hurting you is it? Just curious.

Well, let’s see. We could always start with a review of Ms. Warren’s video for openers. Let’s say that the armed forces, for example, is there to protect each and every one of our amassed wealth and that my wealth is one million while someone else’s wealth is one billion. If we were buying insurance policies to cover those levels of wealth, would they cost the same. How about roads and airplanes and air traffic controllers. Should the people that get the most use out of things in their effort to acquire more wealth have to pay more or not. So, does their greed hurt me. Well, it depends on how much we each had to pay for all that was needed to support that there level of greed.

Peadawg - Troy Davis should NOT have been executed

September 22nd, 2011
10:52 am

“I just don’t understand how they can then turn around and complain incessantly about how terribly this country and this administration treats them and their peers, because incontrovertible evidence to the contrary is right there on their own bottom line.” – Jay’s article is actually pretty funny, I don’t care who you are.

It just all comes down to if companies are making so much money then why aren’t they hiring? This is why I don’t like the “temporary” things that the gov’t does. Maybe if bills, laws, etc. were more permanent (more then a year for crying out loud) then things would get better? I don’t know, that’s just my though.

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
10:52 am

Bosch – So I’m an alien? Am I illegal, cause then I would think I needed to be deported. :(

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
10:52 am

JohnnyReb

Then is it not also the case

When wealth accumulators of enormous means have structured the system to avoid paying rates equivalent to the middle class, theoretically it could be the end of the multi-party political system. They would not vote for a party, and will use their money and their minions, to defeat those who would end the government advantages provided to them.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
10:52 am

(ir)Rational: What is it going to change IN YOUR LIFE if the government finds someway to take a significant portion of their money from them?

Well I find great value in the conservatives losing the “America is broke” talking point if the government does something about tax reform that gets the wealthiest to pay closer to their actual tax rate as opposed to effective.

stands for decibels

September 22nd, 2011
10:53 am

The Koch Brothers are sons of a Bircher.

md

September 22nd, 2011
10:53 am

“She’s marvelous isn’t she.”

No, she isn’t……..for she makes it seem those individuals didn’t also help pay for all those services……..

They did……so all back to square one……..now the rest of those that also helped pay are free to go out and conquer the world……if they so choose………….

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:53 am

“it is a well know Republican MYTH that Democrats are loading up supporters based on social programs and entitlements”

There Reb, fixed your typo.

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
10:54 am

“Can you provide something similar with Soros and his rhetoric?”

More deflection.

md,

See, this generation deflects blame instead of fixing the problem.

They would actually have to think to fix it so that is not going to happen.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
10:54 am

Adam
September 22nd, 2011
10:52 am

So you’re a supporter of the “Fair Tax”??

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

dbm,

“If their statement is true, isn’t it something we need to know?”

Just as we need to know if aliens living amongst are are also true?

:roll:

Granny Godzilla

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

md

“for she makes it seem those individuals didn’t also help pay for all those services……..”

Oh? How?

ty webb

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

Granny,
why did you go and bring up elizabeth warren…it’s doubtful Jay’s erection from yesterday’s blog entry has subsided.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

“While I have political differences with the Koch brothers, I don’t begrudge them the success that they have enjoyed, not in the least.” Jay, of course you begrudge them success, otherwise you wouldn’t make them a topic. They don’t share your political ideology and that’s your real problem with the Koch brothers.

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

Adam – I really don’t understand your post. My reading comprehension must be suffering (probably because Bosch just told me I’m an alien).

Fly-On-The-Wall

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

JohnnyReb – nope I like Soros because he remembers that he started with nothing and worked his way. He’s at least willing to help with programs that help the middle class as well as support politicans who will help the middle class. The Koch brothers are exactly the opposite of Soros.

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
10:55 am

Paul – there are so many more who are not rich than are, I dont’ see the concern reversing.

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
10:56 am

Normal 10:45

I’ve been hoping the implications of that become a blog topic, if not a question for tonight’s debate.

“Governor Perry, you say as a Christian you are directed to support Israel. Who is directing you and how do you know what they want?”

and about a gazillion follow-on questions.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:56 am

irRational,

Hahahahaha! I wrote that alien thing before I saw your latest post.

Of course you don’t need to be deported, you aren’t breaking any criminal laws just being here undocumented, so your all good, plus tomorrow is Friday, who knows what you’ll be then!

TaxPayer

September 22nd, 2011
10:56 am

It also can’t buy a cure for your stupid posts…..

Coming from the one whose class is defined by the length of the run in his stocking covered lamp, priceless. You’re one to talk and call other names too. You bad boy. Bad. Bad. Boy.

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:57 am

Granny,

If she wins her seat, she might just replace Olypia as Senat Goddess. Just saying. :)

Reality Bites

September 22nd, 2011
10:58 am

Because if you know what damage will be done, you can invest and profit from it.

As long as there are markets, people will profit in both up and down markets.

Your column has not shown anything other than the Koch Brothers know how to manage their assets in a variety of market scenarios.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
10:58 am

That 47% actually DOES pay taxes

But don’t let facts get in the way of a good lie. I wish this was said MORE often by politicians so it could be the lie of the year for 2011.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

September 22nd, 2011
10:58 am

Why do liberals hate rich people?

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
10:58 am

Hehehehehehehehe. Paul used the word “minions” — love it.

Thomas

September 22nd, 2011
10:59 am

Jay- why did you use red- are you insiuating that they are communist?

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
10:59 am

md: for she makes it seem those individuals didn’t also help pay for all those services…

What is your point? Unless the person paid for ALL the roads, ALL the education, ALL of the rest of it ALL by themselves, then they still “didn’t get rich by themselves.”

Brosephus™ - Saving America since 2007

September 22nd, 2011
10:59 am

Bosch – So I’m an alien? Am I illegal, cause then I would think I needed to be deported.

Did somebody call me??? :twisted:

WOODSTOCK MIKE

September 22nd, 2011
10:59 am

“But don’t let facts get in the way of a good lie. I wish this was said MORE often by politicians so it could be the lie of the year for 2011.”

I guess when the IRS says that almost 50% of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes Adam thinks they are liars. LOL

Thomas

September 22nd, 2011
10:59 am

For my leftist friends- can we affectionately call them the Cock Brothers?

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
11:00 am

Bosch – I stated it was a concern; it may be a myth, but we don’t think so.

Another concern along these same lines is Florida and Texas. Republicans have lost California, written it off. We can’t lose Florida and Texas. If we lose those as California, game over. The common thread is of course the hispanic vote. Of course that makes for quite a problem considering the opposition to immigration in the base.

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
11:00 am

20 % of Americans (cons) believe God controls the economy.

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
11:00 am

Bosch – I disagree on the illegal alien thing (but I do agree that the majority of them are very useful, and have forced me to learn a bit of Spanish), but glad to know I’m not illegal so I don’t have to pack up and leave.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
11:00 am

Leg Lamp: No. I am a supporter of those in higher income brackets paying more because they earn more, not applying a tax system to tax those who spend more.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
11:01 am

getalife
September 22nd, 2011
10:54 am

Who actually engaged in “deflection”? It was a fair question was directed toward Jay. He obviously wants to trash the Koch Bros and says their rhetoric and wealth are out of sync. I’d like to see what he thinks about Soros in the same light.

“Deflection”? mmuuuwwwaaAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

stands for decibels

September 22nd, 2011
11:01 am

The Koch Brothers’ gullible groundling supporters are Koch suckers.

(that’s ok to say, yes, Jay?)

md

September 22nd, 2011
11:01 am

“the rest of us paid for”

The term implies all those items were paid for by “everybody else” and these guys used them.

If she was genuine, she would use the phrase “all of us paid for”, but that doesn’t stir the masses as well.

And since we all (and even that is not true) paid our share, we have equal right to use and profit.

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
11:01 am

‘Sup Bro. Long time no see. (Well, you’ve been here, but I’m not sure I’ve said anything to attract your attention lately).

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

JohnnyReb

Just take a look at the money and numbers of influential people they are enlisting to fight for their tax and political privileges.

Recon

“Jay, of course you begrudge them success, otherwise you wouldn’t make them a topic. They don’t share your political ideology and that’s your real problem with the Koch brothers.”

So when Jay concludes with “I don’t begrudge them that success. I just don’t understand how they can then turn around and complain incessantly about how terribly this country and this administration treats them and their peers, because incontrovertible evidence to the contrary is right there on their own bottom line”

you just ‘know’ that’s not what he means or thinks and you are the one who knows what he really thinks?!!?

getalife

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

The majority of Texas jobs are filled by immigrants.

Ask perry about that fact.

rene

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

they can never spend it, eat it, wear it but they want to crush the drones…

jt

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

Regardless……………………..that 50 billion dollars in the Kochopus’s hands…………..do LESS damage to freedom-loving Americans………….than it being in Steny Hoyer, Barney Frank, or McCain’s hands.
.
The government hasn’t REALLY “shut down” until the TSA thugs have ALL lost hope and are begging for change.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

getalife
September 22nd, 2011
11:00 am

and you believe Obama does…..muuwwwaaaAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Steve - USA

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

Jay – I guess that meeting wasn’t so secret if you know about it and what was said. :)

Bosch

September 22nd, 2011
11:02 am

“but we don’t think so”

In order for your concern to be a reality, you would have to assume that anyone who gets an entitlement is going vote Democrat. Why would you assume something so ridiculous? Do you always voice concern over such ridiculous notions? Like, do you also assume that all rich people are Republicans and would also vote to keep those in political power to benefit their bottom line?

Somehow I doubt the latter.

Granny Godzilla

September 22nd, 2011
11:03 am

ty

i suspect yours hasn’t since McCain introduced us to the demi-term governor.

one of the reasons i like being female. you can’t tell from looking i think Rick Perry is hot.

Adam

September 22nd, 2011
11:03 am

WOODSTOCK MIKE: guess when the IRS says that almost 50% of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes Adam thinks they are liars.

I guess someone decided to ignore the facts and continue with the talking point anyway. I’m not surprised.

(ir)Rational

September 22nd, 2011
11:04 am

Adam – I’m going to assume you’re speaking about the Fair Tax, and I’m going to say that those two things are very probably related. You earn more, so naturally you’ll probably spend more. Also, there is a very easy way to lower your tax bill, don’t buy so much.

I still don’t understand your last post to me (I went back and read it again, but still nothing), so I can’t respond intelligently.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

September 22nd, 2011
11:04 am

getaclue

Why did you move away from you haiku style posts? You know, three sentences/paragraphs that had nothing in common? Did I it a nerve or something?

md

September 22nd, 2011
11:04 am

Adam……..you can figure it out on your own………I don’t feel like taking the day to explain how the world works to you……………

Jay

September 22nd, 2011
11:05 am

Recon, apparently you don’t realize how effectively you have contradicted your own claim.

As you note — this part accurately — “they don’t share your political ideology and that’s your real problem with the Koch brothers.” That’s exactly right. That’s my real problem with them.

NOT their wealth or success, as you also claimed earlier.

1811/0311

September 22nd, 2011
11:05 am

Paul

September 22nd, 2011
11:05 am

Woodstock Mike

“Pays no taxes” vs “pays no income taxes.”

There’s a difference.

Especially when you add in “Pays no federal income taxes but pays significant other taxes that support programs designed to be funded with federal income taxes.”

JohnnyReb

September 22nd, 2011
11:05 am

To Conservatives, Soros is one of those words where you want to spit after uttering it. I can understand Progressive opposition to the Koch brothers, but in my opinon they are not dangerous to the degree of Soros. I believe Soros to be one of the most dangerous men in the world.