Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?
The medium is the message, as Marshall McLuhan taught us.
With that in mind, what should we make of the fact that President Obama has requested a joint session of Congress on the evening of Sept. 7 to lay out his jobs program?
The high-profile setting, with live coverage by the networks and news channels almost guaranteed, would suggest that Obama intends to be ambitious in his proposal. A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.
If Obama has decided to model his campaign on Harry Truman’s 1948 successful campaign, in which “Give ‘em Hell” Harry ran hard against a do-nothing Congress, this would seem to be a great opportunity to drive that message home.
Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:
“It is my intention to lay out a series of bipartisan proposals that the Congress can take immediately to continue to rebuild the American economy by strengthening small business, helping Americans get back to work and putting more money in the paychecks of the middle class and working Americans, while still reducing the deficit and getting our fiscal house in order. It is our responsibility to find bipartisan solutions to help grow our economy, and if we are willing to put country before party, I am confident we can do just that.”
The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.
Imagine that. One would almost think that Obama was using his power as president to steal the spotlight from his would-be challengers and remind them that he has no intention of being upstaged.
In a press briefing this afternoon, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked whether that was the intended message. You can guess his answer.
“No, of course not. There were a lot of considerations. Once you want to do a speech to Congress and you have to deal with congressional schedules and there are many other factors here … one debate of many that is on one channel of many was not enough reason not to have this speech at the time that we decided to have it.”
“There are many opportunities for the American people. There’s a choice they can make to watch the president, to watch the debate,” Carney said. “A network could make a decision to alter the timing of the debate by an hour.”
Or, in the immortal words of Hank Williams, “move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
– Jay Bookman
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Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
1:53 pm
Nope, no politics here! Move along!
Cupcake
August 31st, 2011
1:54 pm
It’s all the cupcakes fault.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm
“Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?”
The last time he was aggressive, it cost the Dems the Senate.
2012 – End of an error.
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm
Give em hell you good Kenyan socialist you!
mm
August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm
“The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.”
Well, the wingnuts are going to watch the debate anyway. So at least he gets to appeal to the indies and the lefties that have given up on him.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm
I don’t see it, Jay. I don’t think he’s going to become aggressive because it’s not his style. He’s good at the quiet rope-a-dope strategy, and it seems to work for him (somewhat), so I don’t see him changing up strategy at this late date.
I read this as a campaign kickoff, as you suggest.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
1:56 pm
Jay, I do have a question for you. Being a new blogger to your blog, what will get a person banned? I had a few bloggers talk about my manhood etc and these same folks claimed that I would get banned.
Help a man out.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
1:57 pm
“move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
1:57 pm
Whatever President Obama offers, I’m sure the Republicans will be whining to us about how terrible it is and how it will destroy jobs and how they simply must cut taxes and eliminate regulations if we are to ever have any chance of surviving as our founding fathers intended.
Jay
August 31st, 2011
2:00 pm
Discuss the issues, rather than other bloggers, is the main rule, Zap. And yes, things did a bit out of control at the end of that previous thread, but you were not exactly the blameless victim in that.
Peadawg
August 31st, 2011
2:01 pm
As long as whatever new spending bill he proposes has corresponding cuts elsewhere to pay for it, I’ll give it a chance. If it’s just straight spending/tax incentives then no.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
2:01 pm
I think he’s going to go with his 3 point shot…..
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
2:02 pm
The GOP should be exposed as obstrustionists with hopes and desires to strip people of their SS and Medicare benifits they paid for. Point blank range.
mm
August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm
“Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.”
Too funny.
Ondray
August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm
move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.” …… Those are the words of Hank Williams Sr not Jr.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm
Jay: A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.
I’m cynical. IMO He’s kicking off his 2012 Campaign.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm
I think the gop house will vote no on his plan.
He needs a new house.
It is up to the American people.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:04 pm
The timing and the forum point to something out of the ordinary. The ‘this is the treatment for a disease’ traditional efforts have not worked as hoped. Republicans haven’t offered anything of substance – no reliance on classical practices – just sound bites and surface rhetoric. So it’s on Pres Obama to push it, hard, and to challenge Congress and the opposition party.
I’d guess we’ll see some traditional methods proposed, but more aggressively portrayed and as dependent for success on other proposals. I’m guessing we also may see a recitation of facts, as we’ve seen in past threads, regarding corporate profit levels, job creation under Bush vs job creation under Obama, relative tax burdens, that sort of thing. Facts that can be compared to assertions put forth in the Republican debate.
Much as I dislike nicknames for political leaders, I can see “Give’em Hell, Barry” in our future.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:04 pm
“but you were not exactly the blameless victim in that.”
Never claimed to be. I just want to know the boundaries.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:05 pm
I think President Obama should toss a bone to the Republicans and offer to cut medicare expenditures by $1.00 for every $10 they raise taxes on the wealthiest or even offer to cut taxes by $1.00 for every $10 they cut from the DoD budget. The only caveat being that the Republicans must vote unanimously in favor of said offers or no deal.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:06 pm
“The GOP should be exposed as obstrustionists”
They have my vote. Obama’s “plans” are non-existent. He hasn’t once led on anything.
BTW, what’s an “obstrustionists?”
stands for decibels
August 31st, 2011
2:06 pm
I can see “Give’em Hell, Barry” in our future.
“I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.”
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:07 pm
Joe; He’s good at the quiet rope-a-dope strategy, and it seems to work for him (somewhat), so I don’t see him changing up strategy at this late date.
I like the reference to the rop-a-dope strategy. However, if I remember correctly, rope-a-dope is one of the things that critics say contributed to Ali’s Parkinsons.
IMO Obama should try and get back his base. You can’t win without your base supporting you.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:07 pm
mm
““Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.”
Too funny.”
It wasn’t funny to the taxpayers of Texas when the governor’s mansion needed work and Gov Perry decided anything cheaper than a $10,000 a month rental (and we’re talking Texas rental prices) just wouldn’t do.
Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
2:08 pm
Zap, generally, you see people get a warning. . . or multiple warnings.
But yes, it’s better to discuss the issues than say things like:
“Well of course only a liberal bedwetting zombie kisser would think that”
or
“I would expect a neo-con laserblasting kneecap sniffer like you to spew such nonsense”
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
2:08 pm
Zapped : ““move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.”
In 2013 the nation becomes one giant hydrant.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:09 pm
“It wasn’t funny to the taxpayers of Texas when the governor’s mansion needed work and Gov Perry decided anything cheaper than a $10,000 a month rental (and we’re talking Texas rental prices) just wouldn’t do.”
How many terms has Perry served?
Yep, that’s what I thought. Texas is the fastest growing state in the union.
Bye bye, O.
Willie
August 31st, 2011
2:10 pm
If Obamagives into the lefties and brings us a bloated, union pandering, make work, budget busting “jobs” bill then you know that he is only seriouse about his far left ideology, not about the country. His leftie supporters want an stem winding, class warfare stump speech. If all he has is more of the same ecnonomy strangling regulation and risk chilling rhetoric then his time in office will be drawing to a close. If he talks about creating opportunity for businesses to make money, applauds risk taking whether it’s in favored sectors or not, if he holds off on even more job killing regulation, if he gets serious about fixing our debt, then the republicans might have a fight on their hands.
carlosgvv
August 31st, 2011
2:10 pm
Imagine that New Jersey winds up being even more severely damaged by Irene than is now the case. Then imagine, when Congress goes back into session, those Tea Party nuts refusing to give FEMA any more money without cuts somewhere else. Finally, imagine Gov. Chris Christie facing down those Tea Party fanatics in a hearing. Gov. Christie not only is very intelligent but, when necessary, he has a temper like a hand grenade. Now, imagine Obama facing those same Tea Party people. Sometimes, you have to be very aggressive and I’m not certain Obama has it in him.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:11 pm
Let’s see. Obama’s approval rating was at something like 38% while Congress’s was at about 12%. The Republicans should go for it. Pull out all the stops. Just say no to everything and object to anything. What have they got to lose — 12 percent. That’s nothin.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:11 pm
Zap
“BTW, what’s an “obstrustionists?”
That’s another thing you’ll find about this blog. Most here ignore typos and don’t try to puff themselves up at the expense of others by pointing out misspellings. We tend to concentrate on concepts implied in posts and let the keyboard actuator input errors slide -
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:11 pm
Paul
Taxpayers didn’t like what they saw in Obamacare and booted the Dems out of office in 2010.
Obama has nothing to run on. His jobs record is horrible, we now have a AA rating, the stock market is crap and he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.
What’s he gonna run on?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:12 pm
“We tend to concentrate on concepts implied in posts and let the keyboard actuator input errors slide ”
I had to wipe my computer screen from all the coffee that I spit out from laughing so hard at how ridiculous that statement is.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:12 pm
getalife – You and I couldn’t agree more. Obama does need a new house, and it is up to the American people. Oh, you were talking about The House? I was talking about his residence.
Seeing how he set the speech for the time when the debate was, after the debate was scheduled, it seems that maybe he is kicking off his campaign and trying to upstage the Republicans. As it stands, I’ll probably watch the President just to see if he will actually say something that could be useful. But that is just me. Not that it really matters, because it isn’t like I’ll vote for him anyway, and there will be other debates.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:14 pm
Zap – Just to correct something you said there, I would guess that currently North Dakota is the fastest growing state in the country right now.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:15 pm
carlos: Now, imagine Obama facing those same Tea Party people. Sometimes, you have to be very aggressive and I’m not certain Obama has it in him.
I think everyone has it in them when their backs are against the wall. I’m just hoping he knows that his back is against the wall and it’s time to come out swinging. People will cheer for the under dog but nobody likes a wimp.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm
Zap
What’s President Obama going to run on?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm
” I would guess ”
Might want to look that up. More people moved to Texas last year, and now, than any other state.
Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm
Oh Zap,
You make it too easy.
“His jobs record is horrible, we now have a AA rating, the stock market is crap and he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.”
The country was losing almost half a million jobs a month when Obama got into office. We are now flat and/or making slight gains in jobs. That is a huge turnaround.
AA (plus?) rating is not just Obama’s doing, it’s been in the making for 20 years.
Stock Market is volatile, but somehow the companies are posting record profits.
You don’t just stop 2 wars on a dime, you have to have strategy to do it. Libya was an alliance event with NATO. Obama didn’t just run off on a whim and start a war.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm
Zap
“How many terms has Perry served?”
Many factors contribute to that.
One is straight-ticket voting.
The other is, Texas has a large voter population who will vote for any Republican over any Democrat, period. It’s just the way it is in Texas.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
2:17 pm
He will force the gop to vote no on infrastructure to lose more jobs.
His plan will force them to vote no on creating jobs.
He will force the gop candidates to articulate their plan with details.
Time to play some hard core politics.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:17 pm
Pull out all the stops. Just say no to everything and object to anything. What have they got to lose — 12 percent. That’s nothin.
Too funny!
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:17 pm
Logical Dude
So he’s gonna run on blaming Bush?
AngryMobVoter
August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
The Republicans in Congress should boycott this speech. This is another example of dirty politics by Obama.
All Obama is interesting doing is campaigning to the detriment of the American people. Scheduling this at the same time as the debate proves it. And we thought Nixon was bad…
What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES that he knows cannot pass the House. Then he will use that outcome to campaign indicating the Republicans are not working to fix the economy. This is DIRTY POLITICS of the highest order. Obama is putting his reelection AMBITION ahead of what is good for the country. Getting elected is more important than the SUFFERING of the American people to Obama. This COMPLETE DISREGARD for the welfare of the American people shows how urgent it is to vote Obama out of office.
Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is. Having the taxpayers pay for what was just a campaign trip shows his disdain for the suffering of the American people.
The fact is the American economic problems will never be solved. All of the people living off the governments dime (welfare, food stamps, government employees, etc.) will continue to vote for the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS. The SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS will continue to vote for the maintenance and extension of these programs so they can keep getting elected. It is a downward spiral with no viable solution unless all of us not living off the government’s dime vote 100% to replace the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS.
Obama engaged in a reckless stimulus spending plan which only did more harm than good. That money was used to offset financial mismanagement at the state level. The projects that were funded by that money only gave a temporary increase in business to certain businesses but BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business. The only way we will see real, long term growth in jobs is if we eliminate the oppressive regulation of business (not Wall Street), change the tax structure so it is comparable to other countries, allow businesses the flexibility to make labor more efficient and STOP THE SPENDING.
Printing money did not work because interest rates were already as low as they could go. More dollars chasing the same amount of good and service means price increases not more jobs.
Our bloated and inefficient government is what is thwarting job and economic growth and the reckless stimulus spending and the reckless printing of money have not and will not do anything to fix it.
Obama is so h*ll bent of “taxing the rich” (whatever that means) because it is a campaign strategy not because it is good for the country. Obama is obsessed with getting reelected so he can ram more of his “hope and change” left-wing, near socialistic programs into law. The Democrats with Obama in charge will continue to spend and spend. More and more social programs will mean more and more people with little incentive to work and more and more voters living off the programs advocated by the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS . His “taxing the rich” attitude will send more and more jobs out of the country.
Mr. Obama: stop campaigning, stop SPENDING, TAXING, and REGULATING and do what is good for the country.
We must continue to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
mm
August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
Paul,
I guess I should have used the word “ridiculous”.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
“Many factors contribute to that.”
Yep, and a fantastic job record is one of those things.
“The other is, Texas has a large voter population who will vote for any Republican over any Democrat, period. ”
Same can be said of Illinois.
Try again, Paul.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm
The scheduling conflict itself is a pretty aggressive move.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm
Granny Godzilla
His approval is at 38%. Not sure if you understand math or not, but that is TERRIBLE.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm
Zap – North Dakota has an unemployment rate somewhere around 3%, and if you come to the state, you apparently have to try really hard to not find a job. Like I said, right now, I’m going to go with North Dakota. As my wife said this morning, if I got fired today, I’m moving to North Dakota tomorrow.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2011-08-27/Unemployed-Go-to-North-Dakota/50136572/1
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
ByteMe
August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm
I’m surprised he’s not pre-empting a debate that’s on FOX instead of MSNBC. Of course, that would take some serious guts to mess with Murdoch’s house of slime.
mm
August 31st, 2011
2:20 pm
He should just read a list of jobs bills the repukes have blocked over the course of 3 years just to keep unemployment high.
He needs shame these people, but I don’t think they have any shame. Obviously the people that vote for them don’t.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:20 pm
willie: If he talks about creating opportunity for businesses to make money, applauds risk taking whether it’s in favored sectors or not, if he holds off on even more job killing regulation, if he gets serious about fixing our debt, then the republicans might have a fight on their hands.
When I read your post it reminded me of the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
ByteMe
August 31st, 2011
2:20 pm
Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is.
But taxing who makes $1 billion in income just 3% more? Meh! That’s SOCIALISM!
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:21 pm
zap
Just another in a long line of negative drivel, didn’t obama set in motion the plan to get bin laden, then get him? He has kept us safe for three years and stopped off from falling off an economic cliff, remember what this country looked like by sept 08 of the previous guy? Now, I would like to see him grow a stiffer spine in dealing with the renegade house and propose a new chapter of the WPA and CCC, we need to jump start this economy, now and put people back to work…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 31st, 2011
2:22 pm
Well, I sure hope Fox News carries the Republican debate and not the Obama speech. I hate to have Fox News on and then have to turn my back and put in ear plugs. I want to hear what Perry and Bachmann have to say. Tho I admit it’s kind of hard for me to see Bachmann and not think of her with that foot-long hot dog. Dang that Sooth!
It’s really getting interesting now. The Tea Party Express bus people let a Romney guy know they never even wanted him to talk to their people and the Romney guy left the bus.
We got a real crisis here. Either the Republican Party goes back to its roots in the 1800s or it gives in to the RINOs that want to compromise and not say No all the time. So I don’t care what Obama has to say. Nothing he says is going to pass anyway. Just let me watch Fox News in peace and you all should stop pushing Obama in our face. He won’t be around after 2012 but we sure will.
Have a good p.m. everybody. Perry-Bachmann 2012. No more gays and plenty of jobs for the big guys. Now that’s a platform you can run on.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:24 pm
His approval is at 38%. Not sure if you understand math or not, but that is TERRIBLE.
Yep, over three times less terrible than that of Congress.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:24 pm
“North Dakota has an unemployment rate somewhere around 3%”
That’s because it’s a GOP stronghold and not many people live there. It’s also a bastion for oil.
Check out fastest growing state in the US.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:25 pm
Zap — ” Texas is the fastest growing state in the union.”
I wonder how much of that is due to los trabajos illegosos.
/smirk
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:25 pm
“didn’t obama set in motion the plan to get bin laden, then get him?”
Yep, and kudos to him. That will not get him re-elected.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:26 pm
Obama didn’t just run off on a whim and start a war.
That would be Bush.
AMV: BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business.
Wow another example of the definition of insanity! Cool!
Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
2:26 pm
Zap,
I don’t know what he’s going to run on.
Jobs could definitely be better.
He could have addressed the debt situation long ago, before the Republicans made a crisis out of it.
Obamacare isn’t the full answer, but it’s a stop in the right direction.
I think he may just let the republicans duke it out first, and then fight a weakened opponent.
But I’d rather him actually do Presidential Stuff that makes the country better.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:27 pm
“That would be Bush.”
Blaming Bush will not get O re-elected.
Bye bye, O.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:27 pm
Paul — “That’s another thing you’ll find about this blog. Most here ignore typos and don’t try to puff themselves up at the expense of others by pointing out misspellings. We tend to concentrate on concepts implied in posts and let the keyboard actuator input errors slide”
This.
Ignoring speeling errurs (even those made by your post-opponents) is the sign of a mature poster, regardless of ideology.
Be a mensch and let such things slide.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:28 pm
Zap
“Taxpayers didn’t like what they saw in Obamacare and booted the Dems out of office in 2010.”
Many things contributed to the Democratic defeat in the midterms. Fears over Obamacare was one. It was a good PR effort by Republicans. But on specifics, ask those opposed if they are in favor of their insurance company dropping their policy when their wife gets breast cancer, or if they are in favor of insurance companies denying a course of treatment for their sick child…. When they are informed those are some of the practices Obamacare did away with, the usual reaction (my experience, when I’ve done it) is ‘really? Obamacare did that?” They seem to think the entirety of health care reform is the individual mandate.
“His jobs record is horrible,”
Ever checked his jobs created vs all the jobs created during Pres Bush’s two terms? Ever looked at the baseline from jobs lost, using Pres Bush’s last quarter and running through the end of the recession?
” we now have a AA rating”
Which we could have avoided with Pres Obama’s offer to cut twice the amount Reps were proposing. If Reps were really serious about large cuts.
” the stock market is crap”
Now? Compared to when? How about the market now compared to when Obama took the handoff from Bush?
“and he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.”
Iraq’s pullout is on schedule. Following exactly what Pres Obama said he’d do.
Afghanistan had their own increase. Obama increased resources there, as he campaigned on. He’s also laid out a get-out policy. You opposed to either? Think we should keep combat forces in Iraq and stay in Afg? Or stay there with fewer resources than Obama committed?
Libya – you think we should not honor treaty obligations? Or you think a civilian slaughter was not in the cards and we should not have joined in? Or do you think we should not take part in multilateral operations?
Simple questions to get to the heart of what you stated. Take’em in any order you want.
No diversions or ‘oh yeah, well what about…” please.
What’s he gonna run on?”
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:28 pm
“Ignoring speeling errurs (even those made by your post-opponents) is the sign of a mature poster, regardless of ideology.”
It’s also a sign of someone who is literate and passed high school english.
blue_unicorn
August 31st, 2011
2:28 pm
Let’s see how aggressive President Obama can be. I suggest the Rs tell President Obama up front they will not oppose his ‘jobs’ plan, whatever that is. Won’t support it, won’t oppose it. He gets his way, for the next year. No excuses.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
How’s the Texas budget deficit working out these days.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
Paul
Bye bye, O.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
“What’s he gonna run on?”
What we discussed above.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
Paul, the R’s in GA have no credibility but will be elected because of the “R”. Anyone who picks nits about spelling is a nit picker…thks.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
“Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid”
Well, at least the “but it’s not on PAPER” crowd can rest easy….
stands for decibels
August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm
His approval is at 38%. Not sure if you understand math or not, but that is TERRIBLE.
That’s pretty bad. You know, Saint Ronnie of Reagan bottomed out at 35%, in 1983. How did he ever manage to squeak by in 1984, I wonder?
BADA BING
August 31st, 2011
2:30 pm
It’s the lack of an economy, Stupid.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:30 pm
Zap 2:29
That’s the extent of your political analysis?
All righty, then……..
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm
Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion? Probably requires the ignoring of certain people.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm
Looks like Palin’s state is the fastest growing state in the union.
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-ten-growth-performing-states-2011-6#1-alaska-10
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm
**Yep, and kudos to him. That will not get him re-elected**
So, what has perry done that will get him elected president? Please don’t try that fiction about texas growth and fail to include 9 billion deficit, 11 billion used from stimulus or deficit would be over 20 billion, 49th in education funding, one of the most polluted states, one of the worst in health care of its citizens, thats your guy?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm
Zap — “It’s also a sign of someone who is literate and passed high school english.”
Excellent. Then we can expect you to join in and participate in the collegial and mature discussion without slagging on the inevitable and occasional spelling, grammatical, punctuation and usage errors that occur here?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:32 pm
“That’s the extent of your political analysis?”
Obama’s record is terrible, Paul. Jobs, etc are all in the tank.
Have fun making up excuses for him.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:32 pm
“So, what has perry done that will get him elected president?”
J-O-B-S
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
“Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion? Probably requires the ignoring of certain people.”
Yeap, so irRational — what cha’ wanna talk about. Did ya’ hear? Obama’s got a plan…and it’s on paper and everything!
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
“include 9 billion deficit”
9 billion is less than 14 trillion in Obama debt.
Bye bye, O.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
Paul: That’s the extent of your political analysis?
Paul, why bother? He doesn’t want to debate; he wants to belittle and sneer.
BADA BING
August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
I hope during his speech, he shows the Long Form Arrest Report for his Uncle.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
(ir)Rational — “Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion?”
I’m your huckleberry.
We disagree on a lot of things, but you’re polite and I can actually hear the gears turning in your head.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm
Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion? Probably requires the ignoring of certain people.
You mean, like, the uh, irrational ones, maybe.
Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
2:34 pm
Zap says: Looks like Palin’s state is the fastest growing state in the union.
It’s because people can get laid pretty readily there! It’s all over the news!
(joke!)
bad joke, I know. . .
Road Scholar
August 31st, 2011
2:35 pm
Repubs wouldn’t know a jobs bill if it hit them in their faces.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:36 pm
Well Jay, the good news is, that since the resident name changer is back, your post totals will go up, maybe you’ll get a raise!
mm
August 31st, 2011
2:36 pm
You wingnuts can revise history (aka lie) about the deficit all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.
BGWB took office with a budget surplus and 5 trillion in debt. He leftoffice with deficit spending and 10 trillion in debt. The cause? Two unfunded wars, the unfunded Medicare Part D giveaway, and the Bush tax cuts.
How did we get to 14 trillion? The continuing wars, the continuing Medicare Part D, and the continuing tax cuts. The only thing Obama added was the 800 billion stimulus, half of which was tax breaks.
You own it.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:37 pm
Perry has something that a lot of politicians don’t have — his own sugardaddy. Rick just has to give him that sad look and say please.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:38 pm
“You wingnuts can revise history (aka lie) about the deficit all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.”
Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
2:38 pm
Zap
38%
Yep I understand that that is an average of totals from fifty states.
Actually it’s 39% currently.
32% in Utah with 5 electoral votes
27% in Idaho with 4 electoral votes
53% in California with 55 electoral votes
57% in New York with 31 electoral votes
54% in Illinois with 21 electoral votes
Just for grins…48% in Georgia with 15….
Yes, Zap I understand math.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:38 pm
“Perry has something that a lot of politicians don’t have — his own sugardaddy.”
You mean like Obama and Soros?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:39 pm
“Actually it’s 39% currently.”
Something you can be proud of.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
**9 billion is less than 14 trillion in Obama debt.**
Zap, do you actually read what you write? The previous feller contributed mightily to that deficit and nary a peep out of you and the lower than whale turd at high tide iced tea peoples…
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
Zap: “The last time he was aggressive, it cost the Dems the Senate.
2012 – End of an error”
To the rube mind, this center right president Obama represents a far left ideology, instead of being what he is for those who actually read history and can see that he is somewhere not far from where the bulk of the Republican establishment was decades ago, e.g. Nixon, not to mention Eisenhower.
But it serves the interests of the Rick Perrys and others to keep the rubes thinking that Obama’s election represented some giant swerve in policy from the Bush years.
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
Gov. Rick Perry may face an old political ghost from his tenure as Texas Agriculture Commisioner — a complimentary letter he wrote in 1993 to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton to urge her to consider the needs rural residents as she drafted what would later be derided as “Hillarycare.”
In the letter, dated April 6, 1993, Perry wrote to Clinton, “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/31/7539843-outlines-of-hillarycare-were-known-before-perry-wrote-letter-praising-reform-effort
Gee…I wonder how the flip-flopper feels about “ObamaCare” probably not so good!
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
A leapord does not change his spots. Obama is an idealogue not known for his flexibility. My guess is that when ever the speech is held, and that will be up to the Repubamalicans to decide, Obama will announce he is appointing a committee to study the economy. He will emphasise it is his idea and that he has demanded the committee return their recommendations by next July 4th. The over and under on the number of times he uses the words me, my, mine and I is 30. The over under on blaming Bush is 6 and on other excuses, tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, wall street, arab spring, and congress, etc is 15. The number of times he accepts responsibility for his own failed policies will be zero.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm
Hey Mrs. G. — what’s up? Where did you get those numbers? I was thinking about the state by state break down earlier — great minds and all!
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Zap
““That’s the extent of your political analysis?”
Obama’s record is terrible, Paul. Jobs, etc are all in the tank.
Have fun making up excuses for him.”
You had quite a list of assertions at 2:11. I asked you to give some background and substance in my 2:28. I didn’t generate anything new or bring up a topic and ask you to comment.
There’s ‘won’t’ and there’s ‘can’t.’ I don’t think it’s a mystery what we’re dealing with here.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Zap — “Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible.”
Actually, if you actually look at the raw numbers from the BLS, President Obama’s done much better with a much worse start than President Bush had. Unfortunately, it’s not something that’s easily explainable and it doesn’t lend itself to a bumper sticker, so the ‘Bush was better for jobs’ meme will probably continue to live on.
mm
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
“Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible”
And he will still destroy which ever moron you folks nominate.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Bosch – I hope it works. I like being employed, and would like to remain that way. I’ll believe it isn’t politics when it happens, but want to believe it is real.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:42 pm
Left Wing,
“this center right president Obama represents a far left ideology”
Yeah, it’s weird when a moderate like Obama is considered far left to the righties. Just goes to show you just how right (and I don’t mean correct) the righties have gone.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:42 pm
bosch
Yeah, it’s a Lesser Answer kind of day, squirrel, tick, tick tick..
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
“And he will still destroy which ever moron you folks nominate.”
No he won’t.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
I guess in your world thinking an idea is good means you must support that idea even if it’s not what you thought it was going to be. Weird.
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
Will someone please wake me-up when the ZIPSTER exits this blog?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
“moderate like Obama”
I got it now. MSNBC interns blog on Jay’s blog all day.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
Joe – I thought I got the gears oiled properly. I’ll have to work on that.
Also, I am far from polite when I get upset, I just try to be. I blame my grandma and her hickory branches, they can teach anyone.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
Bosch
Gallop’s main website and a list of states by electoral votes….
and it flew over Zap’s head.
Sometimes it’s best to leave the chew toy under the sofa.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
Being a Marxist is right of center? Freaky.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
MIck,
I figure until the name changer gets banned, he’ll suck all the real discussion away with his…well, whatever it is he does. I can wait it out, it’s inevitable, we are going on four or five times now.
irRational,
Seriously, who is John Galt? Must I get out my google?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
You mean like Obama and Soros?
No, Zap. I mean these people Okay, so he’s got multiple sugar daddys.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
Granny Godzilla
” I think he’s going to go with his 3 point shot…..”
Granny, He hasn’t made the two point shot yet….
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
Zap finally got something right, Obama probably won’t have to destroy whoever the Republicans nominate, they’ll probably destroy themselves. So sad that we can’t have a good candidate.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
“Gallop’s main website and a list of states by electoral votes”
Obama will lose those votes, cupcake.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
MR: Obama is an idealogue not known for his flexibility.
What!!! Obama is so flexible he bent over and let the repubs keep their Bush Tax Cuts AND gave them darn near everything they asked for in Obamacare!! Not flexible? LOLOLOLOLOL
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
MR,
Funny you should call Obama a Marxist, when it’s the wingnuts here who hold in such high esteem an actual Marxist philosophy: cultural hegomeny. Google it just for fun….
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:47 pm
Yes Bosch, get our your Google. Or the copy of Atlas Shrugged I know you have tucked away behind all your other books.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:48 pm
Hi DDR!
“Paul, why bother? He doesn’t want to debate; he wants to belittle and sneer.”
’cause I’m stuck in this vortex and SoCom isn’t around to trade places with me…..
out of the blue 2:40
That was great! Hope Mitt Romney uses it in the debate -
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
“So sad that we can’t have a good candidate”
irRational,
It’s y’all’s time for a John Kerry.
Actually I’ve always thought we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-sense. It seems to me the first term the POTUS just kind of holds back and hopes he gets re-elected, and the second term he really starts to go, but then it’s only four years. If they could just have one six year term, I think alot of this gridlock would change.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
Zap does simplify the debating process.
No he won’t.
Yes he will.
No he won’t.
Yes he will.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
I am not sure the Republicans need worry about running against Obama. Democrats are famous for throwing their losers under the bus.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:50 pm
Joe Mama
Zap — “Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible.”
” Actually, if you actually look at the raw numbers from the BLS, President Obama’s done much better with a much worse start than President Bush had. Unfortunately, it’s not something that’s easily explainable and it doesn’t lend itself to a bumper sticker, so the ‘Bush was better for jobs’ meme will probably continue to live on.”
Joe, Did you forget 9/11, that changed the way we and a lot of the World lives and it wasn’t cheap.Just sayin….
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:52 pm
Bosch
“So sad that we can’t have a good candidate”
irRational,
” It’s y’all’s time for a John Kerry. Actually I’ve always thought we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-sense. It seems to me the first term the POTUS just kind of holds back and hopes he gets re-elected, and the second term he really starts to go, but then it’s only four years. If they could just have one six year term, I think alot of this gridlock would change.”
Bosch, Thank you for admitting that Obama just sits back, maybe there’s hope for you yet!
JohnnyReb
August 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
I have posted many times here that Obama’s arrogance will be his undoing. A joint session is not appropriate. Scheduling a speech in conflict with the Republican debate shows both arrogance and no class. He, and obviously his advisors, are fools of the highest order.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
**Democrats are famous for throwing their losers under the bus**
Too funny…remember 08? Republicans didn’t invite the leader of their party to their convention, he was that toxic, so toxic he was banished to a leper colony and had to video email his image. How quickly they forget…
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
Zap: They have my vote. Obama’s “plans” are non-existent. He hasn’t once led on anything.
Now that’s funny. You’ll fall in line with the rest of the “Wehre’s your plan” people once he shows his plan. Or you can continue to try this “where’s your plan” game when the plan is staring you in the face. And let’s not forget, this president likes to put things on the internet. So once he releases his plan, feel free to ask where it is, and I will gladly link you to it, every single time you ask.
Be careful, the backlash to the backlash to the backlash is coming!
he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.
Again, think twice before touting Libya as something to use AGAINST Obama. He’ll beat back, with a big heavy “no lives lost and it didn’t take 10 years” stick.
Blaming Bush will not get O re-elected.
And yelling “Anyone but Obama” will not get him un-elected.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
AngryMobVoter: What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES
Oh I can’t wait until you see a plan that does not have those things coming from Obama. What will you say then? “Where’s your plan?”
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
That’s not a bad idea Bosch. I personally think all politicians should have term limits, but then again, I don’t trust them. Get them in for 6 years, let them know up front they won’t be running for re-election, and see what they do. On the other note, I don’t want a John Kerry. No thank you. Can’t we skip this one and save that for the future? Like the next time y’all have a Bill Clinton in office?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
Bosch: Well, at least the “but it’s not on PAPER” crowd can rest easy…
Srsly. Like I said, those people will turn into “That plan sucks” people, and they wont’ even know what’s in it. I predict lots of propaganda machine backflips to turn it into a socialist plan that only taxes the rich and spends too much, even if it does neither of those things. It probably will suggest spending, but I bet it includes tax CUTS rather than tax increases. I think he’s banking on the Republicans having no hostage to take in the debate over the Bush Tax Cuts and he’s already indicated he will veto any extension that includes the rich, even if it also includes the poor and middle class.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Debbie, I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare, care to rethink that statement?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Zap
“I got it now. MSNBC interns blog on Jay’s blog all day.”
You may want to consider Jay’s 2:00 “Discuss the issues, rather than other bloggers, is the main rule, Zap. And yes, things did a bit out of control at the end of that previous thread, but you were not exactly the blameless victim in that.” as a warning.
just sayin’ -
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
reb
Now wait just a minute, what do both sides agree is the most important issue today? Jobs, jobs, jobs, what is wrong with getting the whole fam dam gov’t together and staring the issue down? That debate is meaningless at this point..
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
“Thank you for admitting that Obama just sits back”
poison,
No projection from you please. That’s not what I wrote. It’s been that way for the past two termers in the past 30 years. The first four years they all hold back, and the second term, when they don’t have to worry about re-election, they focus more on what they really want to accomplish. It’s really the problem in all of politics, policy is dictated by opinion polls instead of what’s good for the people.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
“Wehre’s your plan”
Another rat voter who has grammar issues.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
Sorry, the “no lives lost” part should say “no AMERICAN lives lost”
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
“You may want to consider Jay’s 2:00 “Discuss the issues, rather than other bloggers, is the main rule, Zap.”
Tell that to Bosch, Mick, Adam etc, Paul.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
MR: Obama is an idealogue not known for his flexibility.
What!!! Obama is so flexible he bent over and let the repubs keep their Bush Tax Cuts AND gave them darn near everything they asked for in Obamacare!! Not flexible? LOLOLOLOLOL
Debbie, lay off the sauce. Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare. Not one vote in the house. Not one vote in the Senate. The Bush tax cuts approved by Obama which he now brags about, were the result of compromise, bipartisianship which his highness will be asking for in his speech to the nation. It is the only compromise I know of in nearly three years.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
“And yelling “Anyone but Obama” will not get him un-elected.”
No one is saying that. Perry will be the winner.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
p. pen — “Joe, Did you forget 9/11, that changed the way we and a lot of the World lives and it wasn’t cheap.Just sayin….”
Didn’t forget it at all. The raw numbers from the BLS show how many net jobs were created each month under Presidents Bush and Obama. Economists agree that jobs have to be constantly created to keep up with American population growth (births, immigration) and the higher number of people entering the workforce (reaching working age) than leaving it (retiring, etc). They vary on the exact number, but the one I see cited most often is ~1.8 million jobs a year, or about 150,000 new jobs a month. If more are created, then unemployment is decreasing. If fewer jobs are created, then there aren’t enough jobs for the new people coming into the workforce and unemployment is increasing.
I can post the link and point you to the numbers if you want. Here’s what you’ll see.
Both Presidents came into office with bad job creation numbers. Obama inherited a much worse situation (in terms of job destruction) than Bush did. Obama got a net positive (a month over 150,000) faster than Bush did, though, and had a string of positive months faster than Bush did. There are other things you can derive from the data, but I wanted to give you examples of what you can find pretty readily.
Would you care to have a look at the numbers for yourself?
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
Congress should be on their knees crying…
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
Zap: Another rat voter who has grammar issues.
You’re right, you haven’t been here long. We decided long ago that misspellings and grammar errors did not invalidate someone’s point. Nice try at avoidance though. If that’s your best counter-argument, consider that you have no argument.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
“I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare”
poison pen,
Have you had a stroke that has effected the part of your brain that controls memory?????
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
“We decided long ago that misspellings and grammar errors did not invalidate someone’s point.”
I didn’t know that this was a democracy blog. Where’s the polling results?
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty
Can you say Romneycare?
(GOP had nothing to do with healthcare bill….I scoff at you)
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Duck head, I say duck head…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
“Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare.”
That’s just nuts — other than the fact that it was modeled on Republican ideas???
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty: Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Gotta love it when people don’t realize where much of the idea came from. Especially that supposedly unconstitutional part.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
“Congress should be on their knees crying…”
Crying in laughter at how much of a joke Obama is.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
“other than the fact that it was modeled on Republican ideas???”
Is that you Ed Shultz?
Mick
August 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
Zap, you are that kid in school who buts in, instigates, then blames everyone else for picking on you. You never learned about kindness or manners, you get what you give….
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
3:02 pm
” we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-senThat would fix alot of this political non-sense. It seems to me the first term the POTUS just kind of holds back and hopes he gets re-elected,”
Bosch, Did someone hijack your name at 2:49 pm today?
Do you even remember what you wrote? it sure looks like you wrote it.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:03 pm
/ignore. There’s really no point. Just like Perry, he’ll destroy himself.
Carry on.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
Here are but a few of the GOP healthcare initiatives:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
Adam –AngryMobVoter: What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES
Oh I can’t wait until you see a plan that does not have those things coming from Obama. What will you say then? “Where’s your plan?”
I will be speechless. I don’t think Obama has the intelectual ability to come up with a plan of any kind that doesn’t require billions more in spending.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
Zap
“Tell that to Bosch, Mick, Adam etc, Paul.”
After your 2:56 “Another rat voter who has grammar issues.” I think it more important to relay it to you.
“Perry will be the winner.”
What has Gov Perry done at the state level you think would translate well to the national level?
High school graduation rates? (results are up but it’s still pathetic)
State budget surplus? Oops…. there’s that $20 billion plus deficit.
Cutting federal spending? Wait… he took all the Obamadollars he could then sued for more…
Population wellness?
Environmental record?
’cause he’d support states if they wanted to secede?
His record of avoiding the press for indepth questioning (a characteristic some refer to as cowardice).
Abdication of personal responsibility and shifting blame to others? (his “don’t blame me, blame the school board” when districts were facing teacher layoffs when he cut billions from education)
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
poison,
What in the world are you blabbing about?
John Birch
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch – The first term is all abpout reelection and the second is about legacy. Haven’t been paying attention have you?
Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Zap: Another rat voter who has grammar issues.
Not quite “bedwetting liberal zombie kisser”, but you’re getting there.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch
“I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare”
poison pen,
” Have you had a stroke that has effected the part of your brain that controls memory?????”
Bosch, I remember Pelosi having the meetings with her people on Obamacare, please tell us what republicans were in that meeting and what they contributed????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:07 pm
Mighty Righty: I don’t think Obama has the intelectual ability to come up with a plan of any kind that doesn’t require billions more in spending.
Do you? What is your jobs plan? Remove regulations and taxes? How has that worked so far?
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
Again Doom, you are pulling stats out of thin air. I think we have established here many times that there are more whites on welfare (at least in this State) than their are minorities.
In either case, you will never be able to back up your opinion on actual data. It’s just your hunch — it’s what you want it to be.- Bosch
Bosch,
Looks like I have to come by and help you out with your statistical analysis and thinking skills. The last I saw there are more whites on welfare rolls than blacks. The official tally was that of all welfare recipients 38% were white,37% black, 20% Hispanic, etc.
What you need help with is understanding stats. While there are more whites on welfare there are also about 6 1/2 times more whites as blacks so as a % of their population there are far less whites than blacks on welfare. And in the southern red states such that I mentioned it is a fact that blacks comprise a much greater % of the population than in many northeastern blue states such as Conn, Mass, for example. Hence the red state stats regarding the number of residents on welfare is skewed. And its not my opinion Bosch its a fact backed up by census data. And common sense too.
I can’t figure out if you’re just being intentionally dishonest or if your math and statistics skills are so appallingly lacking that you can’t comprehend this. Which is it Bosch?
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
The mighty man … posits “I am not sure the Republicans need worry about running against Obama. Democrats are famous for throwing their losers under the bus.
Oh, would that be like Cheney; Who is taking the whirlaround tour…protecting his own ass while
throwing Bush, Powell, Rice etal under the bus.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
poison,
Well, I don’t know what Repubs were in those meetings, but hundreds of their amendments were incorporated into the law. I mean, you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
paul
Another well delivered lesson on complex issues don’t have simple answers, plus fact versus fiction regarding perry and texas. Carry on good man…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
“Looks like I have to come by and help you out with your statistical analysis and thinking skills”
Annnnddddd….I stop reading.
Doom, if you want to discuss, discuss, but if you want to be an arrogant ass hole, I’m not participating today.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
Has anybody been following that Teaparty deal in Iowa….
O’Donnell, Palin, invited, disinvited, invited, disinvited…
What’s up with that?
Jimmy62
August 31st, 2011
3:10 pm
So rather than doing what’s best for the country, Obama is doing what’s best for him. Making decisions for political reasons. Just what the GOP is accused of doing all the time. The difference is that Obama actually does it, the GOP just gets accused of doing it.
moonbat betty
August 31st, 2011
3:11 pm
I just blew chunks of my liver and onions sandwich all over the monitor and I don’t have any screen cleaner!
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
And I know a big difference in philosophies between conservatives and liberals is the idea that healthcare is a “right” vs. a “privledge.” And to me anyone who thinks that healthcare is a privledge is just simply nuts.- Bosch
Translation? Bosch thinks that he has a right to make a claim on the labor of people in the medical community such as doctors, nurses, etc. in the name of having a “right” to health care. And this “right” that Bosch believes he has to guaranteed health care is to be born out and paid for by other people.
There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib. A lib believes he has a right to make a claim on the labor of others for what he thinks he has a “right” to and to have that “right” paid for by other taxpayers. It doesn’t get any more disturbing than that.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Thulsa Doom: And in the southern red states such that I mentioned it is a fact that blacks comprise a much greater % of the population than in many northeastern blue states such as Conn, Mass, for example.
I find this particular data point fascinating. Large black populations, and yet somehow with a voting record of close to 90% for Democrats, those states are still red. Yet the opposite is true in “white” states. Someone should figure out why this is. My guess would be that probably most of the red states are full of rural districts, and a good portion of the black population is concentrated in metropolitan areas that get typically zoned into their own tiny surface area of a district. I could be wrong though.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty: Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Gotta love it when people don’t realize where much of the idea came from. Especially that supposedly unconstitutional part.
Adam, nice try. You know Obamacare is a financial and quality disaster so you want to spread the blame around. No chance. It was planned designed, written and passed without any Republican input and not one single vote in either house. It is a disaster conceived and born of liberal stupidity. If ever there should have been an abortion Obamacare was the result of the Democrat rape of the american people.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
Bosch,
I’m sorry but its hard to have a discussion with you when you can’t seem to fathom the simplest statistical concepts.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
Jimmy62: So rather than doing what’s best for the country, Obama is doing what’s best for him. Making decisions for political reasons. Just what the GOP is accused of doing all the time. The difference is that Obama actually does it, the GOP just gets accused of doing it.
Would you like me to start listing some of the ways the GOP does projection way more, and better, than Obama?
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
“Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?”
Oh, is Michelle getting involved?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
Zap,
Your “style” seems vaguely familiar. Are you sure that you have not posted here in the past.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
“There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib.”
The biggest difference I see is that cons think they can read minds and have a dangerous habit of speaking as to what others believe and instead of just asking they go off on these weird diatribes outlining their own projections onto others.
How strange.
Again, Doom, if you want to discuss, discuss, don’t be an ass hole.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
Thulsa Doom
“There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib. A lib believes he has a right to make a claim on the labor of others for what he thinks he has a “right” to and to have that “right” paid for by other taxpayers. It doesn’t get any more disturbing than that.”
I know, I know!!! It’s almost as disturbing as all those cons who think their kids have a right to a free education paid for largely by someone else!!!!!
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
Mighty Righty: It was planned designed, written and passed without any Republican input
Live in your fantasy world if you want to. The facts don’t agree with you. Pay attention to Bosch’ posts to find actual data.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
obama is going to get turned down
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
GG – Who cares? I stopped caring about Iowa when the beat the pants off the Jackets a couple of years ago.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
Well Doom, if you’d start your posts off in a civil tone and ask me what I think instead of being a pompous jerk, we might get some where.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Great analogy.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
Adam,
Still waiting on your empirical proof and evidence that the “majority” of the 47% of the people who do not pay federal taxes outside of FICA do not pay those taxes because they lost their jobs and now work lower paying jobs. You provided 2 links both of which do not prove your bogus point. They don’t even come close to proving it. I’ll just take it that you just made that stat up in your own mind, decided it must be true because you think its true, and be done with it.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
Paul: What, like student vouchers? SURELY NOT!
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:17 pm
“move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
Big dog’s not even going to be allowed on the playground. He’s trying to play a big card. I’m betting Boehner will say no, not doable.
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
Being a Marxist is right of center? Freaky.
Like I said, to the rube mind, this stuff makes perfect sense.
Not capable of thinking history.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
poison pen 3:06
“?????????????????…”
with all due respect to PP, question mark abuse just occurred…..
stands for decibels
August 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
For the “not one single GOP vote was cast for the ACA” folks, and others suffering from memory loss…
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/senate-finance-committee-approves-health-care-bill/story?id=8817603
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
Thulsa Doom: Alright, I’ll speak to your point. No I don’t have absolute proof that a majority lost their jobs and do not pay taxes now because of that. Instead, I have evidence that they are the “working poor” because they don’t make enough to qualify for tax liability. So if you go back to those two links, I think you’ll find they prove that point, which is another that you disputed. But you win as far as what I said about people losing jobs and getting paid less in the sense I don’t have proof. That doesn’t invalidate the fact that 47% are the working poor.
Now, since I have spoken to TWO of your points from before, kindly speak to mine. And no, I don’t mean the working poor thing or the concession I just made on your other point.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
Just to throw a wrench in your arguments, aren’t government schools paid for through property taxes?Alright, continue with your usual arguing.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
That is just pp having another meltdown.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Thulsa,
Here are some details on those “47 percenters”, if you are truly interested.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
“Mighty Righty: It was planned designed, written and passed without any Republican input ”
Adam,
Well how nice of those Democrats, they put all those Republican amendments in the healthcare law all by themselves!
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Oh, a Committee vote; how did Olympia vote in the Chamber?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Hi Paul!!
’cause I’m stuck in this vortex and SoCom isn’t around to trade places with me…..
SoCo is somewhere plotting the downfall of Auburn’s 2010 Championship by sending angry letters and emails to the NCAA. I keep telling him to just let it go, but he won’t rest until Auburn’s victory is totally obliterated from the books.
Bosch: Actually I’ve always thought we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-sense.
That’s actually a great idea. However, as you know, Congress would NEVER vote to put it into action. They’d rather slit their opponents’ throats first.
Adam: Like I said, those people will turn into “That plan sucks” people, and they wont’ even know what’s in it
And that’s the sad part. They’ll listen to some soundbites on television, listen to tv and radio pundits and NEVER read the dang thing for themselves.
MR: Debbie, lay off the sauce. Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare. Not one vote in the house. Not one vote in the Senate. The Bush tax cuts approved by Obama which he now brags about
My God this is a sad day for the public school sysems!! Even MORE revionist history M.R.?
A: Obama wasn’t even a SENATOR when the Bush tax cuts passed.
B: No the republicans, following the orders exquisitely, didn’t vote for the bill. However to say that they had “nothing to do with it” is ridiculously obscene. 1/3 of the bill has republican suggestions in it. The bill was modeled off of Romney’s Massachussetts bils (Romney is a repub).
They hypocrisy of the Repubs is very clear in the bill. They made suggestions, the Dems put those suggestions into the bill and then the repubs STILL voted “NO”. Why Obama continued to try and reason with these clowns after that is beyond me.
poison: Debbie, I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare, care to rethink that statement?
See my answer to M.R. above. ^^^^
Paulo977
August 31st, 2011
3:22 pm
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
2:02 pm
The GOP should be exposed as obstrustionists with hopes and desires to strip people of their SS and Medicare benifits they paid for. Point blank range.
Right on target!!!
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:22 pm
Paul,
I’m with you on the education. We have a rich tradition of public education and 90% of us on here con or lib got our education paid for by other taxpayers. And to be honest with you I have no problem with us as taxpayers providing a safety net. I want illegals and poor people to be be able to get urgent care when they need it and I don’t mind paying a little extra for it.
And as a humanitarian nation we provid care at the ER room for anyone who can’t afford it and we provided Medicaid for our truly poor. We do this because we are a compassionate nation. We do not do it because people have a “right” to it just because they think they do.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:22 pm
“aren’t government schools paid for through property taxes”
And, what wrench does that propose in the argument?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:23 pm
(ir)Rational 3:19
They largely are paid by property taxes.
What I was thinking of is family A who has three kids, education costs $8k per kid, that’s $24k total (numbers for illustration only), the family owns a house and property taxes are $3k a year, so others – more expensive homes, fewer kids, are making up the difference.
Midori
August 31st, 2011
3:24 pm
Jay, I do have a question for you. Being a new blogger to your blog, what will get a person banned? I had a few bloggers talk about my manhood etc and these same folks claimed that I would get banned.
was the word “centimeter” used?
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:24 pm
Boehner saying “no” may be just what he’s going for…..
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:25 pm
“Bachmann: God demands attention to tea party message ”
“Obama: I demand attention to my speech”
Hard to figure out which statement has more hubris
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:25 pm
Thulsa Doom: We do this because we are a compassionate nation.
So what does that make the people who want to reverse all of these compassionate laws?
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:26 pm
Granny 3:24 – agreed. He’ll play it up to the hilt as obstructionism, or some such BS.
But Obama’s on “mute” for most Americans now, so it won’t really matter.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:28 pm
“And as a humanitarian nation we provid care at the ER room for anyone who can’t afford it and we provided Medicaid for our truly poor.”
Again, Doom, how do you measure “those who can’t afford it” — that might be important to know if you aren’t real sure and need to go the ER if you don’t have insurance.
“We do this because we are a compassionate nation. We do not do it because people have a “right” to it just because they think they do.”
Sounds to me like you are just hung up on semantics.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:28 pm
jm: So don’t watch his speech. Watch the Republican debate instead.
stands for decibels
August 31st, 2011
3:28 pm
There was also the cloture vote. If GOPers really felt the ACA was the worstest thing ever, they could’ve continued to block it; they didn’t.
Imhofe didn’t vote on cloture, so it came to the floor for an up or down vote.
http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/senate/1/388
Strange, since the GOPers had managed to filibuster everything else they felt was objectionable.
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2011
3:28 pm
AJC Headline: “Robert Downey Jr. expecting a child”
I bet his doctor was really surprised!
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:29 pm
“Being a new blogger to your blog”
Midori,
That’s a tell tell (or tale tale??) sign of the name changer — he makes a point to make people think he’s never been here before. He’s done it every time.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:29 pm
In addition to Obama, it would be nice if Nouriel Roubini would shut up about everything.
Roubini isn’t a genius. If he was so good at figuring out the economy, he’d be getting rich investing off of it rather than blabbering along constantly. Another fricking Cassandra to be ignored is what he is.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:29 pm
But Obama’s on “mute” for most Americans now, so it won’t really matter.
Probably for “most” people that you associate with.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
In addition to Obama, it would be nice if Nouriel Roubini would shut up about everything.
I thought you had control of the mute button.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
Bosch,
What “mind reading” did I do? Did you not sit there and write that cons were nuts for not believing that health care is a right and that libs believe it is a right? And did you not dispute the stats I provided on welfare recipients? All I did was explain where you were wrong statistically. I didn’t make up claims as to what you believe. I simply countered what you actually wrote. And for that matter as far as rudeness goes go back earlier and I think you will find I was quite civil to you. Its only when I got back from an appt and saw your last couple of posts to me that I realized that you were not being very civil to me in your discourse.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
Doggone,
I had the exact same thought. Too funny, huh?
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
I was reading the argument about “free” education as if it were being paid for with income taxes. I agree, I do subsidize your kids for going to school, and possibly, one day (no plans for it now), I’ll have a kid and be using that money for my own child’s education. I was just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative (I’m slightly bored this afternoon).
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
stands for decibels
August 31st, 2011
3:30 pm
Watch the Republican debate instead.
yes. Rock ribbed conservatives MUST watch MSNBC that night.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:31 pm
Thulsa Doom 3:32
That gets to the larger issue: what some call a ‘right’, what some see as the normal way society operates, evolves over time. With education, it was in the home, then maybe the church, then small communities got together and chipped in for a teacher for the kids of those who chipped in, then for all kids, and over a couple hundred years it evolved to what we have today.
Same with health care. Had docs who got paid in dollars or in kind, then we got this idea for insurance and it developed into ‘you get insurance depending on who you work for”. We had some people not pay much or anything depending on who they worked for (union contracts or some government workers) and we began to take care of old folks (medicare) and less fortunate (medicaid) and now we’re saying ‘this is a messed up system. Health care largely by who you work for? This doesn’t make sense” but we want to protect what we got even if others have naught.
But it’s evolving. I think your outline is a good one and the minimum we should do. I doubt we’ll get to single-payer in my lifetime but I can see a hybrid of that and supplemental policies to accommodate those who want to retain some of what they have.
And also, so you’ll still have a job!
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
3:32 pm
Doom: While there are more whites on welfare there are also about 6 1/2 times more whites as blacks so as a % of their population there are far less whites than blacks on welfare. And in the southern red states such that I mentioned it is a fact that blacks comprise a much greater % of the population than in many northeastern blue states such as Conn, Mass, for example. Hence the red state stats regarding the number of residents on welfare is skewed. And its not my opinion Bosch its a fact backed up by census data. And common sense too.
honestly doom WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING?
It is what it is, stop trying to “revise” it to fit your preconceived agenda. It’s like this:
Say Out of 1,000 applicants for welfare, 38% were white, 37% where black, etc. etc. etc.
That other stuff you brought up is just obfuscation.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:32 pm
“Bachmann: God demands attention to tea party message ”
“Obama: I demand attention to my speech”
Hard to figure out which statement has more hubris
I personally like to start by determining if the statement was actually made.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:32 pm
Adam don’t worry. I wouldn’t bother watching Obama’s speech. R’s have pretty much already indicated his trial balloon proposals are DOA
Thanks – there’s no mute button for Roubini. That’s the problem. He’s as much a windbag as Obama.
BADA BING
August 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
OH no, obama is getting aggressive. Is he going to ‘kick ass’ finally? Is he going to go ‘all Chicago’ on our ass? Is he going to rap during his speech?
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
Bosch,
No playing with semantics. There is a clear difference between believing you have a “right” to health care paid for by others and us providing health care as a compassionate nation to those who cannot afford it or who could afford it but simply choose to spend their monies on other things. I noticed you didn’t provide the example as to my “playing semantics”. You simply accused me of it. I’ll say it again. We as a nation provide ER care to those that won’t or don’t want to pay for their own health care and we provide medicaid to the truly poor because we are compassionate. But those people do not have a “right” to that care.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
Just the facts: Patient Affordable Health Care Act actal vote as confirmed at below web address:
Congress: Democrats 218 Yea 34 Nay
Republican 0 Yea 178 Nay
Senate: Democrat 60 Yea
Republican 39 Nay 1 not voting
Verify the above at:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-165
Jay
August 31st, 2011
3:34 pm
jm, saying no to the request would, in political terms, be going nuclear.
I will be shocked if the request is rejected.
The Iron Fist
August 31st, 2011
3:35 pm
Glad we stopped Boeing from being able to build airplanes for export and sale, and that would employ 1000’s of non-union workers. That would have been a disaster. Whew.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:35 pm
Doom,
“What “mind reading” did I do?”
Translation? Bosch thinks that he has a right to make a claim on the labor of people in the medical community such as doctors, nurses, etc. in the name of having a “right” to health care. And this “right” that Bosch believes he has to guaranteed health care is to be born out and paid for by other people.
There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib. A lib believes he has a right to make a claim on the labor of others for what he thinks he has a “right” to and to have that “right” paid for by other taxpayers. It doesn’t get any more disturbing than that.
“And did you not dispute the stats I provided on welfare recipients?”
I told you, I stopped reading after the first sentence when your arrogance got the best of you and you felt the need to suggest your intellect was somehow superior to mine.
“All I did was explain where you were wrong statistically”
Wouldn’t know, didn’t see and have no desire to go back to read it.
If you want to discuss something, then discuss it, but if you want to sit there and play like my intellectual superior, then you can do it alone.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:35 pm
Hi Midori!
“and these same folks claimed that I would get banned.
was the word “centimeter” used?”
I was just thinking how peaceful it was and you had to show up with your sharp pokey stick….
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:36 pm
Jay 3:34 – I suppose that could be the case. I’m not completely privy to presidential and congressional decorum. I’ll take your word for it.
If Boehner does give him the cold shoulder, will be very interesting.
Jay
August 31st, 2011
3:36 pm
Mighty, I think the point was that the individual mandate was initially a Republican idea that Obama adopted, thinking it would draw bipartisan support. The idea came out of the Heritage Foundation, was included in RomneyCare, was embraced by Gingrich, etc.
But as soon as Obama adopted it, GOP support vanished.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:36 pm
jm: R’s have pretty much already indicated his trial balloon proposals are DOA
Yep. Like I said, House Rs will say no to his plan no matter what it is. I still can’t wait to see the “Where’s your plan” people suddenly change their argument though.
BADA BING
August 31st, 2011
3:37 pm
midori…….Centimeters are not so bad. It is the number in front of ‘centimeter’ that is important.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
3:37 pm
Doom: Bosch, I’m sorry but its hard to have a discussion with you when you can’t seem to fathom the simplest statistical concepts
Doom the statistics are taken NOT from the populatioin but from # of people who APPLIED for assistance, and of that number the percent thereof!! How can you lump the POPULATION into that?
USMC
August 31st, 2011
3:37 pm
Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-obama-s-approval-hits-all-time-lo-0
Tick tock, tick tock…
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:37 pm
Debbiedoright,
You came in late on the conversation. Bosch made the point on a previous blog that the red states had a higher number of people receiving welfare. I simply pointed out to him that this is true but only because the stats are skewed because the red states in the south have heavy minority populations and minorities have higher percentages of their populations on welfare. And statistically that is a fact. And I didn’t bring it up Debbie so please don’t get the idea that I’m starting out on preconceived racial agendas. I was simply explaining to Bosch why his statement about red states having more welfare recipients is skewed.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
3:39 pm
Adam @ 3:12 – good point, although I doubt if it’ll be understood.
Midori
August 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Bosch – I’ve personally seen it a few times myself.
Lurking can be fun
Hi Paul!!!
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:40 pm
Thulsa: Red states also have the worst divorce rates, which is one of the highest reasons for filing for bankruptcy. Assuming no income is available after all that, welfare is where you turn.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
“But those people do not have a “right” to that care”
And I disagree. I am of the opinion that our Founding Fathers made it very clear:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;”
therefore, because we are all equal, we are all human, and all humans get sick, and we all have the right to life, liberty and happiness — so therefore, as citizens, we all have the right to healthcare. I do not believe that human sickness should be a for profit business in this country. And I will never believe that some people are not worthy of receiving it, simply because of what they do for a living.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
If Perry wins the nomination, I would expect the final tally of electoral college votes to be almost exactly what it was in 2008.
365 – 173 for BHO.
No way can will another quasi-Bush win the states of Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, NY and California. Especially as his actual record and dumbfounding positions and statements become further exposed.
Romney could take a couple of those states but would still lose handily. Likely 324 – 204.
Midori
August 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
watch out guys – I think USMC is about to explode
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
You came in late on the conversation. Bosch made the point on a previous blog that the red states had a higher number of people receiving welfare. I simply pointed out to him that this is true but only because the stats are skewed because the red states in the south have heavy minority populations and minorities have higher percentages of their populations on welfare. And statistically that is a fact. And I didn’t bring it up Debbie so please don’t get the idea that I’m starting out on preconceived racial agendas. I was simply explaining to Bosch why his statement about red states having more welfare recipients is skewed.
Can you provide a link to that post from Bosch. I’m not sure I buy that line.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
3:42 pm
I’m still on page 4, but I saw this so I’m going to answer you in “real time”.
Doom: Bosch made the point on a previous blog that the red states had a higher number of people receiving welfare. I simply pointed out to him that this is true but only because the stats are skewed because the red states in the south have heavy minority populations and minorities have higher percentages of their populations on welfare.
Doom the statistics are taken from the number of people who applied and were accepted for welfare NOT the number of people total in a population. Not every black person in a “red” state applied for welfare; same for whites.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:43 pm
You know, its too bad Obama is messing with an MSNBC hosted debate. Those questions should be real zingers for the likes of Bachmann, Perry, among others. Given the likely inquisitors.
Disgusted
August 31st, 2011
3:44 pm
And as a humanitarian nation we provid care at the ER room for anyone who can’t afford it and we provided Medicaid for our truly poor. We do this because we are a compassionate nation. We do not do it because people have a “right” to it just because they think they do.
Aw, c’mon, Doom. Are you angling for a masters in sophistry? You know and I know that the medical caregivers don’t lose a penny on treating the poor. The only part that changes is the payer. If it’s treatment of the poor, the taxpayer picks up the bill. And the privately insured pick up the tab for it too through their premium payments. Hospitals and physicians don’t “donate” their services. They negotiate increases in reimbursements from insurers in order to make up the difference.
Do doctors see a net decrease in their paychecks when they treat the poor? Hospitals? Nurses? I don’t think so. So stop acting as though these providers are engaging in a great act of charity by treating the poor. What you are really saying is that it’s perfectly fine with you for taxpayers and insured people to keep right on picking up the tab for the uninsured.
So here’s a guy who sells insurance and is virulently opposed to Obamacare. No conflict there. Nope. And then we get the provider side of it from people like Bruno and Dusty, who also happen to be opposed to Obamacare (Dusty, BTW, openly stated on this blog a couple of years ago that she didn’t want her doctor’s office crowded with all those newly insured people, forcing her to wait longer.) No conflict there either.
Maybe you ought to invest in a dump truck to haul all that BS you spout.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:45 pm
“Not every black person in a “red” state applied for welfare; same for whites.”
Good thing that. Otherwise we’d be looking at 100% unemployment…. oy
USMC
August 31st, 2011
3:46 pm
1,100 ‘green jobs’ gone…
http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_18795739?nclick_check=1
Obama has not learned the lesson of Bill Clinton, IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID nor will he.
He is so ‘drunk’ on the Marxist/Socialist philosophy coupled with the FACT that Obama in way over his head; INEXPERIENCED.
And Jay, you were certainly correct when you said Obama is our WORST nightmare
Obama will lose in 2012!
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:46 pm
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty
Can you say Romneycare?
(GOP had nothing to do with healthcare bill….I scoff at you)
Granny, follow Romneys success and you will begin to understand that Romney an indivicual not Republicans a political party suppported the disaster now known as Obamacare. Your analogy is comparable to Al Gore Sr. being a racist makes all Democrats racists.
Jay
August 31st, 2011
3:47 pm
Thulsa, it’s true that health care is not a right enumerated in the Constitution. Of course, the Ninth Amendment makes it clear that the people retain rights NOT enumerated in the Constitution.
You yourself have implicitly agreed that people have a right to health care by accepting the necessity of treating uninsured people in the emergency room. Why not turn them away? It would be inhumane. It would violate the rights they have just by virtue of being fellow human beings.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:47 pm
Disgusted – you are misinformed. Not completely, but partially.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:49 pm
The main thing is for President Obama to provide the Republicans with a written plan this time around and preferably one that does not extend beyond one page with a 2 inch top and bottom margin and 1.5 inch left and right margins and 16-point type in bold arial font, double-spaced, on 8.5 x 11 inch paper. Otherwise, it just will not do and will be promptly rejected as opposed to rejected at a later time.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:49 pm
All those wonderful green jobs companies to save the future for Obama are collapsing in financial ruin right now. The solar industry is cratering.
Moral of the story (for those that haven’t figured it out yet): if you business depends on the largesse of government, eventually the tables will turn and you will lose big time. Whether you’re in defense, ethanol, solar, higher education, or health care.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
3:51 pm
It is DOA.
He is taking it to the American people again to show he listens and respects our votes.
If he goes out, go out fighting.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:52 pm
“And I know a big difference in philosophies between conservatives and liberals is the idea that healthcare is a “right” vs. a “privledge.” And to me anyone who thinks that healthcare is a privledge is just simply nuts.”
Bosch,
Didn’t you write this earlier? If so then my interpretation and I think its a pretty doggone reasonable one, is that you think people have a right to healthcare provided by others.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:53 pm
what a sec
“the Ninth Amendment makes it clear that the people retain rights NOT enumerated in the Constitution.”
So Jay, you want to list all those rights that are not enumerated in the constitution that I have?
The right to drive? The right to run someone over? The right to pollute my land? The right to “free” health care?
As for this
“You yourself have implicitly agreed that people have a right to health care by accepting the necessity of treating uninsured people in the emergency room. Why not turn them away? It would be inhumane. It would violate the rights they have just by virtue of being fellow human beings.”
I don’t entirely agree. I think a bonding system would be necessary and someone uninsured could incur health care expenses up to $10,000, backed by a lien through federal taxes. After that, you’re on your own. And if you really want to fix things, provide the incentive to buy insurance: don’t let people go to a hospital if they don’t have insurance.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:54 pm
All those wonderful green jobs companies to save the future for Obama are collapsing in financial ruin right now. The solar industry is cratering.
Really, jm.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:54 pm
No, Doom, you have memory problems, and definitely projection problems. Bosch made a point to counter this one:
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
11:00 am
Bosch,
I never denied that Republicans have their own voting bloc- they are mostly called taxpayers. When I say have “skin in the game” I’m referring to the fact that everyone should have to pay taxes.
Which is suggesting that those that pay no income taxes are mostly Republican.
And this point you made earlier at 11:17 on the previous thread:
“But I would bet that the overwhelmingly number of those folks are Dem voters.”
And I suggested you might want to re-consider that because the red states tend to have more recipients. No where did I mention race. You seem to think that since a higher percentage of minority voters are Dems, and that a higher percentage of minorities are on welfare, then that MUST equate to more Dems voters are on welfare and vote to keep themselves that way? True?
It’s called false logic…and you has it.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
Bozo’s speech will be the same old tripe. He will propose numerous things, mainly spending more money to “create jobs”. That “green jobs” fiasco in MA spent 20 million fixing up 3 homes, providing 14 admin jobs and was a bust. Figures out to about 1.4M/job. He will propose numerous things that the Repubs cannot possibly swallow and then call them “obstructionists” for not agreeing with him. Wonder if he saved the plastic columns that he used in Berlin.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
So eventually “the tables will turn if you’re in defense and you will lose big time”, huh, jm?
Which century do you project this end of government largesse for DoD contractors to happen in?
Just this week that bastion of military competence and vision, Dick Cheney warned not to make any cuts in defense.
Nope, no sale.
Ike was the last Republican with any sense. (And balls.)
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:56 pm
Jay,
As a compassionate nation I think we should treat people who can’t afford it or even if they can afford it but choose not to and show up in the ER room we should still treat them because as you pointed out it is the humane thing to do. I just don’t like the thinking that people have that they have some preordained right to health care provided to them by others and paid for by others. That’s all.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:56 pm
“We’re thrilled that we now have a terrific opportunity to hear from national leaders of both major parties about the most pressing domestic issues facing the country,” NBC News and POLITICO said.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:56 pm
Doom 3:52 – Bosch is the king of the “I didn’t say that” dance. Libs love to say something but not actually back it up.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:56 pm
Doom @ 3:52
I explained my beliefs on health care in a previous post. If you have questions about those, I’ll be glad to address them.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:58 pm
You yourself have implicitly agreed that people have a right to health care by accepting the necessity of treating uninsured people in the emergency room. Why not turn them away? It would be inhumane. It would violate the rights they have just by virtue of being fellow human beings.
Jay said it better than I Doom, but that’s what I mean by the fact you seem to be hung on semantics.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:58 pm
Bosch-I guess you realize that you are quoting the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution. Regardless, our founders did not include free health care as a right and further had they so thought people would have had free health care from day one. Not so. Heck, no one in this country thought health care should be an entitlement until we started electing socialist marxist nazis to public office.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:59 pm
Might Righty
Your thinking that there was no GOP input into the healthcare is just plain wrong.
Mince, Parse, Evade, Project, whatever.
You are completely welcome to waste your time parroting that which simply not true.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
3:59 pm
Also, it appears that 4 different solar companies declared bankruptcy in the last few months. Seems that one of them, also in MA, was subsidized with stimulus money to help compete with the Chi Coms. Also seems that they were subsidized heavily because the principles in the company were aligned with Bozo campaign donors. The main reason they stated for going out of business?……. too many restrictive government regulations.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
Thanks 3:54 – yep. Solar Green Job dreams dying because they never had a real life. You can fake an industry for a while, but not forever.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-29/solar-purge-drives-weakest-into-bankruptcy-buyouts-with-more-deals-coming.html
Breaking News: Solyndra Closes Its Doors, Sends Home 900+ Employees
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/solyndra/
SpectraWatt Sequel: After Collapsing, Company Declares Bankruptcy
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/spectrawatt-sequel-after-collapsing-company-declares-bankruptcy/
Paulo977
August 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
USMC
August 31st, 2011
3:37 pm
Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women
You believe that?Ha
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:00 pm
Jay, what algorithm triggered my 4:00pm post?
Normal
August 31st, 2011
4:01 pm
“Much as I dislike nicknames for political leaders, I can see “Give’em Hell, Barry” in our future.”
Paul,
I sure as hell hope so.
Sarah
August 31st, 2011
4:02 pm
He’s pullin’ a Palin.
A Musing Native
August 31st, 2011
4:02 pm
I think if a company were to, for example, sell tainted peanut butter, the sickened people should have a right to healthcare at the expense of others, specifically the others that made em sick to begin with. Same goes for polluted water and air and so on. It’s a whole nuther story though if these people knowingly ingested all sorts of harmful bacteria and stuff and got sick from it. Of course, I think it would be even better if others would not put profits before the good of the people and try harder to avoid killin off their customer base for the sake of a dollar. Of course that’s just me and I don’t rightly expect those laissez faire types or others of a similar mindset to agree with me.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:02 pm
Amvet 3:55 – well, frankly, starting about now Defense is going to get put through a squeeze
Of course, we’ll still be spending probably 3x more than China…. (not accounting for cost differentials)
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:02 pm
“I just don’t like the thinking that people have that they have some preordained right to health care provided to them by others and paid for by others. That’s all.”
Okay, Doom, say you lose your job, and you spend all your money on stuff, then out of the blue, the police come and arrest you for a crime you say you didn’t commit.
Do you have a right to a lawyer? Don’t you have a right to due process? Isn’t that too a right that is provided to you because you are a citizen which others (taxpayers) are paying for and others are providing to you as a service?
Please be consistent in your poutrages.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:03 pm
Thanks 3:54 – yep. Solar Green Job dreams dying because they never had a real life. You can fake an industry for a while, but not forever.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-29/solar-purge-drives-weakest-into-bankruptcy-buyouts-with-more-deals-coming.html
Breaking News: Solyndra Closes Its Doors, Sends Home 900+ Employees
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/solyndra/
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:03 pm
Thanks
SpectraWatt Sequel: After Collapsing, Company Declares Bankruptcy
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/spectrawatt-sequel-after-collapsing-company-declares-bankruptcy/
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:03 pm
And I suggested you might want to re-consider that because the red states tend to have more recipients. No where did I mention race.
It’s called false logic…and you has it.- Bosch
Bosch,
Perhaps it is false logic. But its true nonetheless. What you are stating that I “seem to think” is true whether the conclusion as to how I reached it is fallacious or not. Just because you don’t like it being true does not make it so. But are you going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the overwhelming majority of the black population does not vote Democratic? Really?
And you did not have to mention race. I was simply pointing out to you why several of the red states have a higher number of people receiving welfare. That’s all. Just because you didn’t bring it up doesn’t mean I can’t then proceed to explain to you why things are the way they are. And if a higher % of Dems are minority voters and a higher % of minority voters are on welfare then so be it. It is what it is.
A Musing Native
August 31st, 2011
4:04 pm
Jay, what algorithm triggered my 4:00pm post?
Jay has the power to force people to post against their will.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:04 pm
“I guess you realize that you are quoting the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution.”
Yes MR, I do, as was written by our Founding Fathers, and shows their ideas of what we had the right to as citizens of this country.
Talking Head
August 31st, 2011
4:05 pm
“Okay, Doom, say you lose your job, and you spend all your money on stuff, then out of the blue, the police come and arrest you for a crime you say you didn’t commit.”
Out of the blue….equals fantasy
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:06 pm
Jm,
Oh lordy. What is that? The 3rd solar panel job going belly up and or taking their jobs to China? Such is the continuing offshoring off jobs under Obama. Just ask his pal GE ceo Jeff Immelt about offshoring. You know. The guy who is the chair of Obama’s jobs council whose company has offshored 30,000 jobs to China in the past decade.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:06 pm
jm,
Thanks for that information on those companies. I can see now why you would think that the entire industry is collapsing.
Tom Middleton
August 31st, 2011
4:06 pm
Yes, and it’s a good thing, Jay, for he can be both a centrist and on-point advocate through a willingness to compromise on occasion.
But I’m sure there will be non-negotiables with him, as there should be against any opposition party caring only for the wealthiest 3% and die-hard racists.
The Dems are the ones with heart and soul, Jay – both their formidable strength and their weakness when it comes to walking away from negotiations. The Republicans, obviously, not so much
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
MR: Regardless, our founders did not include free health care as a right and further had they so thought people would have had free health care from day one.
That argument is old and tired MR. The FF’s also didn’t say anything about freeing the slaves although they did mention that All Men Are Created Equal. The constitution is a living, breathing, flexible document which was created as such and intended to stay that way.
The FF’s had no concept of the things that would come about in 200 years, (do you think they pictured Air Travel and automobiles?); and knowing this they didn’t make the constitution as a whole, ironclad; although parts of it ARE ironclad but not the entire document.
Not so. Heck, no one in this country thought health care should be an entitlement until we started electing socialist marxist nazis to public office
Oh grow up already.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
“Perhaps it is false logic. But its true nonetheless.”
Wow, Doom, so are all “truths” to you possible falsities?
Weird.
“Just because you don’t like it being true does not make it so.”
And Doom, just because you WANT it to be true does not make it so either.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
“shows their ideas of what we had the right to”
Yeah, note that “pursuit” of happiness. You’re not guaranteed happiness, just the attempt to pursue it. Ie, you’re on your own but we won’t hold you back.
Or at least, that used to be the story. Now its “don’t do this don’t do that, pay me this pay me that, you have to do this you have to do that”. Its pretty disgusting frankly.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:08 pm
jm,
did you hear the bad news about the cathode ray tube industry.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:08 pm
Bozo better get tough. Rasmussen today….. only 19% of the electorate strongly approve of Bozo…… 45% strongly disapprove. His lowest numbers ever. A generic republican is said to be ahead of Bozo by a whopping 8 percentage points. 25% of Democrats polled feel that they would like to see another candidate run in 2012. 79% of the electorate states that we are on the wrong track. Only 29% of the electorate feel that Bozo is ahead of the game on the economic front.
Looks like this is going to be a desperation speech on the 7th of September. Something is not working.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
“Out of the blue….equals fantasy”
No, Talking Head, that analogy is for Doom to illustrate that we do have rights in this country provided by the taxpayers which others provide the services for.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
Thanks – it won’t disappear. But it will be a lot smaller for a while I believe.
Misty Fyed
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
Not an Obama fan at all but I hope he is about to get aggressive and I hope he comes out with new and productive ideas. Green and shovel ready infrastructure jobs just didn’t seem to do the trick.. Maybe I should send him some of my ideas….
Either lower the minimum wage or put some sort of tariff in place so we can bring back some manufacturing and compete with these countries that have no such minimum wage ( I know the price of goods will go up)
Convince the boneheaded Republicans that under no circumstances are we ever going to mass deport however many illegal aliens we have. Seal the borders as much as possible and put a plan into place where the people here can come out of the shadows and buy homes, start businesses, and pay taxes.
Create a near future plan that gives corporations some comfort that no new regulation is going to zap their profits, or new feel good plan is going to trash their long range planning. Give them confidence so they can free up their money and start expanding.
There. you go.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
Granny, I now know why you are working three jobs.
Mr. Snarky
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
I’m just glad we have Zap around to tell us how it is. I was confused and now everything is clear.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:10 pm
Thanks – that’s so yesterday’s news
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Okay, Doom, say you lose your job, and you spend all your money on stuff, then out of the blue, the police come and arrest you for a crime you say you didn’t commit.”- Bosch
Bosch,
Oh my dear God. You have been reduced to making up crazy hypotheticals? First of all I’m self employed so I can’t fire myself. Secondly, I’m conservative with my money and I save a great deal of money for retirement and emergencies as most responsibile people would do, and thirdly I don’t do anything that would get me in trouble with the police. Oh my God. I can’t believe you can’t do any better than this crazy hypothetical. I really can’t. Bosch you have absolutely floored me with this one.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
jm,
It’s hard to pursue happiness when you are dead because you couldn’t afford to go to a doctor for your pneumonia.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Amvet 3:55 – well, frankly, starting about now Defense is going to get put through a squeeze.”
????????????????????
You really believe that??? To the point hat you would actually write it?
Incredible.
There has been no recommendation that even comes close to making the tiniest dent in the gargantuan DoD budget.
Not even 3%.
Better call Messrs Boehner and Cantor and ask them if they need some new calculators.
LOL…
Mr. Snarky
August 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
I don’t even know why we’re having the election…Obama should just step down and give it to Rick. Obama is horrible and Rick is AWESOME. Easy enough. Thanks for clearing it up.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:12 pm
Unemployment rates fell in most US cities in July
Well darn! Just Darn! Now what is Obama supposed to work on for the Republicans to just say no about.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:12 pm
jm,
Yeah, and it’s hard to pursue happiness when your dead because you couldn’t afford a doctor.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Doom,
The world is not all about you, but my analogy goes to show that we are guaranteed rights in this country paid for by taxpayers if necessary and the services are provided for by others.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Doom: I was simply pointing out to you why several of the red states have a higher number of people receiving welfare. That’s all. Just because you didn’t bring it up doesn’t mean I can’t then proceed to explain to you why things are the way they are. And if a higher % of Dems are minority voters and a higher % of minority voters are on welfare then so be it. It is what it is.
Huh? Doom you DID mention race. You stated that the reason the red states have such a high percentage of people on welfare is because of the “Minority” population. Bosch pointed out that there are more WHITES on welfare in those states than blacks; and you pointed out that his reasoning was skewered because there were more blacks in the total POPULATION of red states than blue states, (which has NOTHING to do with welfare receipt ’cause the statistics on that is from # of applicants not total population).
Again, welfare recipients statistics are garnered by the number of APPLICANTS not the population as a whole. If you’re saying the number of dems on welfare than repubs how can you substantiate that? Show me that statistic please, because I know for a fact, being an ex-worker, that POLITICAL AFFILIATION is not on ONE application for aid.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
“Perhaps it is false logic. But its true nonetheless.”
Wow, Doom, so are all “truths” to you possible falsities?
Weird.
“Just because you don’t like it being true does not make it so.”
And Doom, just because you WANT it to be true does not make it so either.- Bosch
Please explain to me Bosch what statement is not true? Do blacks not overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Are you actually going to deny that? Or that minorities as a % of their population don’t use more in terms of welfare? Nope. You can’t dispute that one either. What is it that you dispute? Please just say it.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
Wow, I go away for a while and do some work and this is what I come back to? How did we get to healthcare and Doom loosing her job and being arrested?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
Misty Fyed
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
I agree with you, but in adition I would repeal all regulations put in place since Obama has been elected many of which stffle economic growth and I would slap a tarrif on imports.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
Just how many free prime time speeches is a president supposed to get?
As I heard today, I think the Republican controlled Congress should not agree to a “joint-session” campaign speech by El Jeffe.
Let his campaign pay for it somewhere else. Enough is enough.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
“NBC/Politico’s GOP presidential debate will be after Obama is done.”
Huff Post
I read there are 3 GOP debates in September alone……
September 7th, 2011 8pm EST on MSNBC and CNBC
Location: Reagan Library in Simi Valley, CA
Sponsor: Reagan Library, NBC News and Politico
Participants: Perry, Paul, Huntsman, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, Cain
September 12th, 2011 8pm EST on CNN – Submit Questions
Location: Florida State Fair Grounds in Tampa, FL
Sponsor: CNN and the Tea Party Express
Participants: TBD
September 22nd, 2011 Air time TBD on Fox News
Location: Orlando, FL
Sponsor: Fox News and Florida Republican Party
Participants: TBD
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
Bumper Sticker:
“OMG” – Obama Must Go !
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
Bosch 4:12 – personal responsibility
Yeah, if you don’t save for a doctor and get sick, you’ll be unhappy. The Constitution and DoI don’t guarantee an easy life free from worry or sacrifice. Unless you’re a liberal I suppose.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:16 pm
jm: I think a bonding system would be necessary and someone uninsured could incur health care expenses up to $10,000, backed by a lien through federal taxes.
Sounds like… a coupon program!
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:16 pm
“The Big Dog is Movin’ In” hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:17 pm
kayaker: He will propose numerous things, mainly spending more money to “create jobs”
Bet he doesn’t. Also I bet that the right wing propaganda machine will say that he did when he didn’t, counting on the fact that most of you won’t watch hsi speech or read the plan for yourselves.
They CAN count on that fact, can’t they?
only 19% of the electorate will definitely vote for Obama…… 45% won’t…. 25% of Democrats polled won’t vote for Obama and will vote for the Republican candidate, no matter who that is. Oh look, I fixed what you were trying to say.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:17 pm
Or that minorities as a % of their population don’t use more in terms of welfare? Nope.
If you change the word, “their”, to “the”, you might be onto a discussion that encompasses “we” the people instead of “those” people. Just a thought.
Disgusted
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
Jay has the power to force people to post against their will.
And not only involuntarily, but also to post after someone has already refuted your post. I tell you, we need this guy as president.
Talking Head
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
Doom,
Watch your back, when Bosch gets his fantasy land of a police state and he rats you out for not agreeing with the president…out of the blue, the police will arrest you for something you’re not guilty of.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
Are GOP debates going to be TV series? 12 more scheduled between now and 1st week of March.
Comedy or Drama?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
jm — “Bosch is the king of the “I didn’t say that” dance. Libs love to say something but not actually back it up.”
More accurately, you and Doom often make incorrect inferences about what others are saying, leap to erroneous conclusions based on those incorrect inferences and then try to claim that those others both said and meant what you mistakenly attributed to them.
I’ve seen it happen on both your parts several times, and I haven’t been here that long.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Debbiedoright,
Please see my post to Bosch ealier regarding statistical analyses. If you can’t statistically understand why red states with higher populations of minorities- who tend to have significantly higher percentages of their populations on welfare, skews the overall numbers of people in their states on welfare then I just don’t know what to say to you. Its fairly simple statistical analysis. I can’t make you understand what should be plainly obvious once it is statistically explained.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
“we are guaranteed rights in this country paid for by taxpayers if necessary and the services are provided for by others.”
Well no limits there. Guess we should all just line up in front of the Government door ready for the handout. Who knew?
I’m going to go ask Bernanke for a Ferrari. Liberals must believe in this thing called “Santa Claus Government”…..
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Congress is not worthy…on your knees
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Granny: Dramedy
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Joe Mama,
Yes and I’ve seen the exact same from you on numerous occassions. kettle meet the pot.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Righty — “Heck, no one in this country thought health care should be an entitlement until we started electing socialist marxist nazis to public office.”
Don’t forget about stealth Moozlim Kenyans.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:20 pm
Doom,
It really doesn’t matter — you are moving the goalposts. Your original point was that the 47% of people who don’t pay income taxes are Democrat voters.
An accusation that is impossible to measure. It is not a valid point at all.
This is what you wrote:
“But I would bet that the overwhelmingly number of those folks are Dem voters.”
You are one, basing your argument on a something on the national level, and maybe I shouldn’t have tried to counter it with a State level statistic, but honestly it was the only thing I could think of to counter such blatant hyperbole on your part.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:20 pm
Headline: “School Administrators Fear New Jersey Anti-Bullying Law Goes Too Far”
“Solvite a SALACO”
Bumper Sticker:
“Punch a Bully”
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
Doom — “Yes and I’ve seen the exact same from you on numerous occassions. kettle meet the pot.”
Difference is, I *ask* if you meant what I think you’re saying. You’ve *never* done it — you just jump to a conclusion and it’s off to the races.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
Talking Head,
I’m about to head out again shortly anyway before they can send the thought police after me.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
Unless you’re a liberal I suppose.
You would be supposing wrong.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:22 pm
Adam,
All I am saying is that these are doomsday numbers. He can’t run on his record. He hasn’t accomplished anything except spend a lot of money that we don’t have and pass a health care bill that the majority of the electorate did not want. Rasmussen also said today that fully 62% of polled respondents want an immediate repeal of the health care bill. At least you liberals should give your kind a clear choice by putting Hillary into the mix. For all of her faults, she is a pretty savvy lady. Would like to see her run against Perry.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:23 pm
JAY
” A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign”
Call me cynical, then,..
Mr SNARKY
“Obama is horrible and Rick is AWESOME.”
I take it you like the butch type men more than the cerebral…
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:23 pm
I’m going to go ask Bernanke for a Ferrari. Liberals must believe in this thing called “Santa Claus Government”…..
So you’re a liberal, are ya.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
4:24 pm
They really are sick in the head.
ty webb
August 31st, 2011
4:24 pm
Jay,
this thing you’ve written, is absolutely dripping in “rah rah” wishful thinking…in that, obama’s gotten his foot soldiers fired up…and by the way, how do you type and wave your poms poms at the same time so well?
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Thanks / Bosch – you tired of switching back and forth yet?
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:12 pm
jm,
Yeah, and it’s hard to pursue happiness when your dead because you couldn’t afford a doctor.
Explain please how under Obamacare one can die even with free care because the care has to be pre approved by the “End of Life Panels”. Heck under Obamacare one could die while awaiting the End of Life Panel to decide what if any treatment will be approved or denied. Also note there is an exempt class of patients who will be allowed to be treated by the physician of their choice without interference by the End of Life Panels. Obama, his family, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and your favorite Congressman and Senator will be exempt as will the rich wall street fat cats.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
kayaker: He hasn’t accomplished anything except spend a lot of money that we don’t have and pass a health care bill that the majority of the electorate did not want.
He’s done more than that. Those are just the only things you know about because of where you get your information about what he has or hasn’t done, apparently.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Joe Mama,
Nope. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I’ve seen you leap to some conclusions yourself. You’re not perfect. None of us are. And as a matter of fact Bosch called me out on mind reading and then I reprinted the post where he himself posted that libs believe that people have a right to health care and cons are crazy for not believing it. I noticed he did not respond back to me on that point. He accused me of mind reading his views on whether health care is a “right”, I provided the post where he stated the liberal belief that health care is a right, and he is now silent on the subject. What more would you have me do Joe than to post his own words. And I asked him what statement is untrue about blacks and their voting preference for Dems or whether or not blacks as a percentage of their population have more people on welfare or not and I have yet to see him dispute whether or not those statements are true or not. There really is nothing to dispute. I got to get going soon though so I hope he responds quickly although I’m certainly not counting on it.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
Time to go home. I’m OUT!
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
Your tax dollars at work supporting the welfare kings at the Shanice Lockheed Martin Corporation, the Aliyah Northrup Grumman Corporation, the Imani Boeing Corporation, the Precious Raytheon Corporation, etc!
Panel tallies massive waste and fraud in wartime U.S. contracts
Washington (CNN) — A nonpartisan panel reporting to Congress says the United States is wasting $12 million a day among contracts issued in support of American efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Commission on Wartime Contracting spent the past three years documenting whether American funding went where it was supposed to.
Hey that’s only $8,333 per second in waste, fraud, abuse and corruption.
The panel issued 15 recommendations for contract reform, including hiring more auditors and analysts to make sure the U.S. gets what was paid for.
BUT they’ll be over-regulated!!!!
Disgraceful.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
If the president is so easy to beat why do they have to keep rolling out puppet after puppet hoping someone will take hold?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:27 pm
Doom: If you can’t statistically understand why red states with higher populations of minorities- who tend to have significantly higher percentages of their populations on welfare, skews the overall numbers of people in their states on welfare then I just don’t know what to say to you
You can say, “Debbie, I have absolutely no idea what the hell i’m talking about! I just decided to make up none existent “statistics” (that I can’t prove and WON’T provide a link for), and when I’m challenged on said made up statistics, I pretend that the challenger is too stupid to understand something I just made up!! I think I’m pretty clever!”
You can start there and then work your way to “I’m sorry Debbie & Bosch. I just like to make crap up, it’s fun and it keeps me busy and distracts me for a few hours”.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:27 pm
“Explain please how under Obamacare one can die even with free care”
Mighty Righty,
Easy, there is no free care, so you don’t die with free care.
“because the care has to be pre approved by the “End of Life Panels””
That’s not in the law either, so the rest of your post is just hyperbolic blabbering.
Next!
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:29 pm
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:23 pm
Come on josef, quit telling us how smart Obama is and give us a few examples.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:29 pm
“I noticed he did not respond back to me on that point. He accused me of mind reading his views on whether health care is a “right”, I provided the post where he stated the liberal belief that health care is a right, and he is now silent on the subject.”
No, Doom, I’m silent because you didn’t just ask me what I thought, you went on that tirade about what I believe, you were wrong, by the way about most of it.
Again, if you want to discuss something, I’m more than happy to do it, but if you are going to post hyperbolic rants about what I believe you can play by yourself.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:30 pm
And Doom,
Instead of running to Joe Mamma you could have just directed that post to me.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:30 pm
I heard today that the Congressional Black Caucus may be a little upset about the new MLK, Jr. Memorial as his sculpture looks a little too “Asian” and the stone is “white”. Well, I don’t know who made the latter boo-boo but since it is my understanding the stone was carved by the Chicoms well ………………… you get what you pay for.
By the way, does anyone out there know if you can be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is you are only 1/2 black? 1/4? 1/8?
What about if the majority of black voters in your Congrressional District voted for you but you are white?
Hummmmmm ……………………….
Just askin’
Jay
August 31st, 2011
4:32 pm
jm, three links in a single post = spam to the bluenose.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:32 pm
“And I asked him what statement is untrue about blacks and their voting preference for Dems or whether or not blacks as a percentage of their population have more people on welfare or not and I have yet to see him dispute whether or not those statements are true or not. ”
Doom,
Did you just glaze over my 4:20? Like I said, I’m not arguing that what you said there is true, but it doesn’t prove your original point earlier — it’s a false correlation.
jasper
August 31st, 2011
4:32 pm
Jay What does a more agressive Obama mean? that he is just confidently wrong? I will agree with you on your last sentiment, he does belong in the dog house. There’s just no substitute for leadership experience. Affirmative action failed him in that respect.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:33 pm
What questions someone asks tell much about their character.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
Righty, cons feigning that they respect intellect is a hoot. And a holler.
Millions of you dupes are gonna vote for a guy who had a whopping 2.5 GPA at Texas A & M…
ty webb
August 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
“What does a more agressive Obama mean?”
he’s going to form a “super duper” commission this time.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
So Donahue says the US should cut taxes on businesses more and spend more tax money on infrastructure. Too bad he did not offer any suggestions on what to cut in order to pay for these things.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
Bosch – Health care be expensive yo. The Mrs. had to go to the ER back in February, and we’re still paying for it. She had insurance (private) and we found out when we got there that it didn’t cover crap. So, $12,000 (so far) later, she’s got good insurance and we’re paying for our mistake. But I guess that is the difference between me and many of the others I saw at the ER that day (and the last time I was there), I’m finding a way to pay for the care we received, and owning up to the fact that my insurance (well, her insurance, my insurance rocks) didn’t pay for it. Having said that, I don’t believe the answer is a single payer system or anything of that nature. I think the groupings for people with pre-existing conditions are nice. However they don’t really do much, at least they didn’t for my wife. I think one answer, that to me is a good (start to a) solution is what I saw on the news the other night. Grady is opening clinics down the street from the ER that are for people with colds and what not to go to instead of the ER. They’re cheaper and should decrease wait times at the ER and for the people that come in that aren’t actually emergencies. Didn’t know it until this past Feb, but when you go to the ER with an actual emergency they charge (at least Wellstar does) a “emergency” fee to get you back more quickly. Crazyness.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
Doom — “Nope. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.”
We certainly shall.
“I’ve seen you leap to some conclusions yourself.”
I do, though I frequently *ask* people to clarify (I did it with Dusty just yesterday), and I even tell them up front ‘this is what I think you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s really what you meant to say.’ You *never* do anything like that, at least not that I’ve seen.
“You’re not perfect. None of us are.”
I’ve never represented myself as perfect or anything remotely like it. Your ego, however, has often been on display when you speak of yourself in the third person or liken yourself to an aircraft carrier. Face it, Doom, you’ve got a big, overfed ego. It’s not a very endearing quality.
“And as a matter of fact Bosch called me out on mind reading and then I reprinted the post where he himself posted that libs believe that people have a right to health care and cons are crazy for not believing it. I noticed he did not respond back to me on that point. He accused me of mind reading his views on whether health care is a “right”, I provided the post where he stated the liberal belief that health care is a right, and he is now silent on the subject.”
I’m speaking in general, not to this situation in particular.
“What more would you have me do Joe than to post his own words.”
You often do it, and that’s fine as far as it goes. But then you tell people — you’ve done it to me and to others — that we don’t mean what *we* say we meant — you tell us that we mean what *you* say we meant. I’ve *never* seen you ask someone to clarify themselves, though I have seen you frequently ask leading questions.
I think you’re a lot more interested in ‘winning’ online discussions than you are in actually *hearing* and *understanding* what others have to say. I think if you strove to hear and understand a bit more, you’d find a lot more common ground in here. On the occasions when *we* have *listened* to each other, we’ve found common ground ourselves.
Maybe you and I should both try to do that a little more often.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
KATY, the only Perry with anything to offer.
ragnar danneskjold
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
Since I skipped his last half dozen “major” speeches, I breathlessly await hearing what the community organizer in chief thinks would create an additional job or two in the private sector. Green energy jobs, yeah, that;t the ticket.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:36 pm
An article on the death panels which are not in Obamacare.
What is objectionable about the end-of-life regulation is that President Obama and his minions refused to defend it when it first became public and dropped it like a hot potato last year, only to sneak it back in under the cover of regulatory darkness this year. This is part of a broad pattern of opacity and deception, coming from the same White House that opened its visitor logs only after being forced to do so by Judicial Watch’s threat of continuing litigation, then began holding meetings with lobbyists and special interest groups in a nearby coffee bar to avoid disclosure. It comes from the same president who issues reports praising his administration for the amount of information it makes public under the Freedom of Information Act, but in fact pads the numbers by releasing as much irrelevant and unnecessarily redacted material as possible, as Bloomberg News discovered when it requested information on corporate welfare given to Citigroup.
Read more at the Washington Examiner:
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:36 pm
Bosch,
Perhaps it is not a proveable point that the majority of that 47% of people who aren’t paying federal taxes are Dem voters. But perhaps it logically is and is in fact a provable point- I don’t know because I don’t feel like doing a lot of research.
But there are a few things we know to be true. First of all most minorities vote Democrat. I don’t think that’s really in dispute is it? Minorities make less money than whites generally speaking, census data bears this out- Asians who constitute 3% of the population are of course the exception. If census data bears out that minorities and women, and especially single women with kids( these are core Democratic constitutencies), make less money than whites then is it not also a fair assumption that they comprise the majority of the 47% that don’t pay taxes? Is this not a fair assumption Bosch? And on this blog alone isn’t it always the liberal posters who dispute that 47% stat? Isn’t it the liberal posters on here who are sympathetic to the bottom 47%? Look at the posts on here today alone on this topic. Or any other day for that matter. I didn’t state it as unequivocal fact if you will notice. I just said I would be willing to bet this is true. And I think most people on here if they are honest would concurr that most likely the majority of those 47% who aren’t paying taxes probably vote Dem as opposed to Repub.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:38 pm
AmVet,
Perry has also been the governor of Texas for about 10 yrs now and has never lost an election. He flew C-130s in the Air Force which takes more than a little intelligence and he has a pretty good track record on the economy in Texas. You can dis him all you want but he is going to be your next president. Look at it this way….. it will give you something to complain about and God knows, you need something to complain about.
moonbat betty
August 31st, 2011
4:38 pm
Obama needs to pull a “Howard Dean” to get ‘em fired up.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:39 pm
TX unemployment up in July from June.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:39 pm
Thulsa,
You really just post whatever pops up in your brain, don’t you.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
yesterday I saw a bumber sticker that read: Ignore the Liberal Media. Why didn’t it just say; Ignore ALL Media? I mean, how is a person to know if MSNBC is liberal without not ignoring (tuning in). It’s not like Fox or CNBC advertise their “conservative bias”.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
Joe Perry.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
I think kayaker is in love. Can Rick Parry count on your vote.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:41 pm
There is a reason pilots get to fly C-130s instead of what they want to fly.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:41 pm
(ir)Rational — ” I think one answer, that to me is a good (start to a) solution is what I saw on the news the other night. Grady is opening clinics down the street from the ER that are for people with colds and what not to go to instead of the ER. They’re cheaper and should decrease wait times at the ER and for the people that come in that aren’t actually emergencies.”
Kaiser is developing 23-hour clinics to hold folks for observation who are pretty sick/injured, but not quite sick/injured enough to be admitted to a hospital.
On the topic of medical costs, Medical FSAs FTW. I consumed a bit over $100K in medical services, supplies and pharmaceuticals last year, and we only paid about $6200 out of pocket (almost all of which was defrayed by the FSA). If you can get one, do it.
Willie
August 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
Obama is going to get “tough” and give in to his far left inspired hatred for captialism and his overweening demand for more government spending. When did “tough” start to mean the same thing as stupid?
Atlas Shrugging
August 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
A riled up aggressive community organizer, in the words of Elmer Fudd, “how scaryweeeee”!
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
“I don’t know because I don’t feel like doing a lot of research. ”
That’s all you had to say Doom. “I don’t know” is okay.
And that’s all perfectly logical to think that to back up your opinion, but again, it’s just that and not verifiable.
irRational,
We are in agreement with the clinics thing, maybe Pelosi should have consulted with us. I’ve often thought there should be a government funded clinic in every neighborhood in the country — one within walking distance — AND they should be renovated foreclosed homes. But again, nobody called.
“I’m finding a way to pay for the care we received”
That’s admirable. I’d do it too, but I have the resources to do it. Lots of people don’t.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
4:43 pm
Perry has also been the governor of Texas for about 10 yrs now and has never lost an election. He flew C-130s in the Air Force which takes more than a little intelligence and he has a pretty good track record on the economy in Texas.
That means he’s spent the better part of his adulthood suckling on the government teat. I thought that was something that the Conservative movement abhored, not something that was looked up to. Where is his private sector business credentials that are supposed to be so important? Why is the economy of TX going south while everyone else is creeping north?
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:43 pm
And I hope Mrs. irRational is doing much better.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Saw this today:
“The American idea was for a Big God and small government. Now we have a small God and Big Government”.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Jefferson — “There is a reason pilots get to fly C-130s instead of what they want to fly.”
Yup. A high school buddy of mine went AFROTC, fully intending to fly fighter jets, or at least bombers. He wound up with C-130s and got out after eight years in uniform. Oh, well.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:45 pm
Joe – FSAs FTW? I’m lazy, please explain.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
moonbat betty
August 31st, 2011
4:45 pm
Obama needs to get in touch with his inner honey badger.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:45 pm
Jay 4:32 – thx. I was afraid it was another “sweeTW*Ter beer” thing
Θ
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Granny godzilla = Lame.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia, 4:40,
Yep. Until something better comes along. Like I have said before, I don’t give a damn about his religion. He can be the Evangelical King of the world as long as he turns this economy around and puts people to work. And if he can repeal the 16th Amendment and get us a tax system that works I will count him as one of the great ones.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Joe Mama
Are the FSA’s the accounts where you can carry over to the next year? I know there’s two different types of accounts you can put money into for health care costs. I just don’t remember the difference between the two.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
I could have been a Phi Beta Kappa, if my grades were better…
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:47 pm
Bosch – She is. Would be doing even better if I were able to convince her to take her medicine on a semi-regular basis. But all in all, she is fine. Just an on-going (for about 7 years or so) issue that got more than a little out of hand a few months ago. Thanks for asking though.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
4:48 pm
Got obl, crushed aq, won Libya and battling the traitorous gop.
He is going to fight and crush the gop again.
Four more years.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:49 pm
“…he has a pretty good track record on the economy in Texas.”
Not so. He had Uncle Sugar bail out his $16,000,000,000.00 shortfall.
Like I said, even if he wins the nomination, he’ll be lucky to get the same number of electoral college votes as McCain.
i.e., he loses Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey and California.
DOA as the Uppity Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, Kenyan, Muslim Without a Birth Certificate juggernaut rolls along…
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:49 pm
Doom 4:36 – I disagree. First I think Bosch has a valid point, ultimately unknowable though your intuition may be correct.
Second, Latinos are relatively evenly split between D & R (at least relative to some other minorities), so that negates one point.
Thrice, I have no idea how Asians vote, but I wouldn’t make blanket statements about minorities too much, it can get tricky…..
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Enter your comments here
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Jefferson,
A good percentage of your commercial pilots airline are previous C-130 pilots.
Jay
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
No, Thulsa, that is not a fair assumption.
For example, a good chunk of that 47 percent are senior citizens who live solely or only on Social Security. Seniors trend Republican (they voted for McCain 53-45 percent, the reverse of the ‘08 results in the general population.)
Obama won 52-46 among those making more than $200K.
McCain won 51-47 among whites making less than $50k (they constituted 25 percent of total voting).
Obama won in every education category, doing particularly well among those with no HS diploma (63-35) and those with a postgrad degree (58-40).
Bottom line: I think it’s fair to say there are more Obama voters than McCain voters in that group, but I doubt it’s by an overwhelming margin.
jasper
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Jefferson, you don’t know a damn thing about flying C-130s. My dad got the choice and loved it. Long flights and fighting it the whole way. Thought the fly boys were just show offs.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Bosch – Didn’t read far enough up to see your other post. I agree, to an extent. In some rural areas, there is no way that idea would work. My parents live in a “community” that is spread over 5 counties in 2 states. Their nearest neighbor is something like 2 miles away (was closer, but he built a new house and tore down the old one). I guess the idea would work to have a clinic wherever there is a post office. As a refinement to your plan.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:51 pm
Doom: First of all most minorities vote Democrat.
Somebody better tell Clarence Thomas and that republican black guy running for pres that they vote Dem. (since they’re a minority and all).
If census data bears out that minorities and women, and especially single women with kids( these are core Democratic constitutencies), make less money than whites then is it not also a fair assumption that they comprise the majority of the 47% that don’t pay taxes?
You say you own your own business? Please tell me it’s not an accounting firm or a firm that deals in logistics and/or financial planning…..you are really bad with numbers dude, (unless of course those are some of your “made up” numbers). Did you even READ what you posted? You said minorities AND WOMEN make less than…… women come in all ethnicities, so in effect you just gave all women voters to the dems. Thanks!
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm
No josef,
I won’t do it and you can go SHUT UP!!
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm
I think you’re a lot more interested in ‘winning’ online discussions than you are in actually *hearing* and *understanding* what others have to say- Joe mama
Joe Mama,
I don’t want to be too critical and get into a lengthy tit for tat with you as we usually do. But suffice it to say that this exact same statement can be said of you. I’ve seen you argue every little sentence fragment in a battle of oneupmanship and you do this constantly. And I sincerely doubt that I’m the only one who has noticed this negative quality of yours. From my perspective its nothing short of breathtaking to hear that coming from you of all people. You are the one who has readily admitted to going onto other blogs specifically just to argue with con bloggers.
I will cede that you are right that perhaps both of us could do a better job of hearing and listening what others have to say. I think my issue is that I have a lack of patience when I see something that from my perspective is nothing short of asinine stupidity. I should definitely learn to have more patience with people. I’ve no problem with disagreement and I certainly don’t feel I have to win every online discussion. I have found that just about everyone on here I can find some common ground with except 2 people- you’re not one of the 2. And even though I disagree with Bosch today there are some things that I have seen him say that I do agree with. Same with you for that matter. Anyway, may we all continue to disagree but in an amicable manner. And Bosch is reading this while I disagree with him today its nothing personal- same with Debbiedoright and everyone else.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm
AmVet,
I’ll make the same bet with you that I made with Brocephus. Perry will get elected and during the first three months of his first term, the unemployment rate will begin to drop. After the first year, it will be at 7% or lower. How ’bout it….. the coldest beer in Atlanta.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
Or here…whatever…
RIGHTY
I said cerebral…I didn’t say nuthin’ bout being intelligent or smart…:-)
And BTW, Imam, do Obama define “agressive” within the same perameters as “fierce?”
Bosch the Sock Puppet
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
Bosch has adjusted to the tactics of his prey. The hunted becomes the hunter…..
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
2012 – End of an error.
++++++++++++++++++
Yep!
Jay
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
Dunno, Josef. We haven’t talked this week.
I’ve been busy.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
“I guess the idea would work to have a clinic wherever there is a post office. As a refinement to your plan.”
Yeah, you get the idea though. You are too young to remember that show “Petticoat Junction” (set in rural area) where Sam Druker was the guy who wore all the hats and depending on what he was doing, he’d literally change hats to do it. If he was the Postman, he’d put on his postman hat, if he was the butcher, he’d put on the butcher hat, etc.
pogo
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
Obama’s new economic advisor Krueger wrote a couple of years ago that unending un-employment benefits such as those that will be offered in Obama’s upcoming “jobs” speech give people an incentive not to seek employment. Either there will be a conflict coming between the two or the more likely scenario is that this guy sold his own beliefs out for a cushy government job and to elevate his marketability. Aggression won’t help Obama. The reality of the numbers are going to be
his undoing. By next year at this time, America will want nothing more than him and his advisors gone from Washington forever. He is a true “foodstamp” president.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
Θ
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Granny godzilla = Lame.
O it’s you again
walking just fine, thanks.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:55 pm
(ir)Rational — Joe – FSAs FTW? I’m lazy, please explain.
FTW — Internetese for “For The Win,” meaning roughly ‘you can’t go wrong’ or ‘it’s a winning thing’ or the like. Possibly derived from the phrase used on “Hollywood Squares.”
FSA — Flexible Spending Plan (Medical, Transit or Dependent Care). You can set aside money before taxes to be used to reimburse yourself for qualified expenses in the category for which you set up the account (I’m speaking of Medical FSAs). In 2011, you can set aside up to $6K (and your wife can, too) if your employer offers this as a benefit. My employer’s FSA provider does this via a card which actually allows you to access the money in the account *without* having to front the cost. Transactions are somehow coded so that the funds in the account can only be applied against allowable costs. You can submit receipts for providers that don’t take plastic.
Long story short — we only had to pay about $200 out of pocket last year for over $100K in medical costs.
F T effin’ W.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm
Well — I’m out. Happy Wednesday everyone.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm
“President Barack Obama has asked congressional leaders to convene a joint session next Wednesday night so he can deliver a major economic speech, an address that will coincide with a scheduled Republican presidential debate.”
…………………….. which should be denied. Put it in a letter. We don’t need you reading it from a teleprompter.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm
BOSCH
Shut up your own d*mned self!
QUESTION
Why do the red states have the highest numbers on welfare (majority AND minority), lowest per capita incomes, highest infant mortality, lowest life expectancy, lowest per capita education, highest rates of single parent households, and all those other third world indicators…
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:57 pm
A GAO study found that in every year from 1998 to 2005, approximately 55 percent of large corporations paid no corporate income tax.
That’s even a higher percentage than all those poor people that “don’t pay taxes”. Why don’t the Republicans ever mention them.
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm
“Comedy or Drama?”
Farce?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm
Brosephus — “Are the FSA’s the accounts where you can carry over to the next year? I know there’s two different types of accounts you can put money into for health care costs. I just don’t remember the difference between the two.”
You’re thinking of HSAs, Health Spending Accounts. Those *do* roll over. FSAs do not.
There are weird restrictions on having both types of account at the same time, so we just do FSAs. They’re a little more trouble to handle, but you can put more money aside and realize a higher tax benefit from them.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm
BRUIN
Well, when you do get in touch, tell him I asked after him. Been busy myself, but AM looking forward to his annual address to the schoolchildren of America…
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:59 pm
You said minorities AND WOMEN make less than…… women come in all ethnicities, so in effect you just gave all women voters to the dems. _ Debbie doright
Debbiedoright,
No. I’m not that bad with numbers. Women generally make less money on average than men. Its been that way for a long time for a number of reasons althought the gap thankfully has narrowed and may eventually even be surpassed considering there are more women in college. And in general minorities make less than whites for a variety of reasons. These are commonly well known stats backed up by the census. There is nothing to argue on these points and again I’m talking about “in general and overall”. Throwing out Clarence Thomas doesn’t change a generality. And while not all women vote Dem there are generally more that vote Dem than Republican, especially amongst younger women concerned with abortion rights and amongst unmarried women with kids.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm
Second, Latinos are relatively evenly split between D & R (at least relative to some other minorities), so that negates one point.
Good thing you put that qualifier in there, because in reality, it is still not very close at all.
According to the Edison Research 2010 national House exit poll, 60 percent of Latino voters supported Democratic candidates in the House while 38 percent supported Republican candidates.
The same 38% that Perry won in his 2010 gubernatorial race.
Given the hysteria by the GOP and their ever increasingly stringent immigration and border security proposals of late, that percentage voting for Republicans may well drop to 28% in 2012…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm
“have a lack of patience when I see something that from my perspective is nothing short of asinine stupidity”
Maybe Doom, it’s because you have a habit of jumping to conclusions and not really getting the point. You did it earlier when I was trying to explain that we do have rights paid for by taxpayers given to us by the services of others, and you didn’t get that point, you went off clutching your pearls that how dare I insinuate you would commit a crime, or something like that.
You also have a bad habit of projecting your thoughts onto others and then posting your thoughts as something someone wrote, when they are just actually your own projections.
And it might bode you well tone down the arrogance and assume you are smarter than all. I mean, when you start off a post as you did earlier telling me you had to help me out intellectually, do you really think that I’m going to read any further?
I’ll discuss any thing with any body, but if your going to start off being a santimonious jerk, then again, you can do it alone.
Paulo977
August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm
Adam ….. Just to help Kayaker
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/11/01/what-obama-has-done-comprehensive-edition
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
5:05 pm
Doom — “But suffice it to say that this exact same statement can be said of you. I’ve seen you argue every little sentence fragment in a battle of oneupmanship and you do this constantly.”
And I do it *specifically BECAUSE* you argue over what others mean.
It’s not a matter of one-upsmanship. It’s because you leap to conclusions about what I mean and try to put words in my mouth. I won’t let that go, mister. You don’t know what’s in my head any more than I know what’s in yours.
“And I sincerely doubt that I’m the only one who has noticed this negative quality of yours. From my perspective its nothing short of breathtaking to hear that coming from you of all people. You are the one who has readily admitted to going onto other blogs specifically just to argue with con bloggers.”
And at the same time, I told you that I go onto *liberal* sites for the exact same reason, yet you conveniently leave that out. If I want an argument, I can go get one at Kos, DU, Freep or LGF any time I want. But that’s not what I’m doing here. People here are a bit more intelligent and perspicacious than the knuckledragging mouthbreathers on those other sites.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
5:05 pm
Joe Mama
Thanks. I always get the two of them confused…
Off to prepare the evening meal. I’ll leave y’all to knee jerk each other to death.
Lucifer
August 31st, 2011
5:06 pm
Obama should announce big work projects in the states of prominent Republicans and allow the Pubs to hang themselves by voting down plans that would put thousands to work in their home states. It is clear that anything Obama purposes will be opposed by the Pubs. Remember Mitch McConnell has one objective in mind — defeat Obama. Doesn’t matter if the Republic goes to hell in a handbasket over the next year, just as long as the Pubs win the presidency in 2012. If they do, the whole thing starts all over again — with the Dems being pissed off and taking the torch of obstructionists. All the while, Main Street is hurting, homeless, unemployed, with a sense of helplessness that we have arrived in our nation at a point where our leadership is rudderless. Anyone out there want to form a Third Party?
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
5:07 pm
71, I already have a wager with Bruno for concert tickets of the winner’s choice – a win/win, if you will!
But hell to the yeah, this is another one where both parties “win”.
And, as I told him, I’ll do my part to help you out by voting against BHO…
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:07 pm
I think Perry will make Romney a better candidate. Or Perry will beat Romney. And I could really do without Perry being the Republican nominee.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
5:08 pm
Joe – Does sound nice. I had heard FTW in another context and wasn’t sure. More of a f the world type connotation. Didn’t think that’s what you meant, so I was asking. FSAs sound like a good idea, and I might have to look into it.
Bosch – Yeah, I get the concept, and I think clinics are where its at. Seems like a good way to do things instead of forcing me to get what you think is the right type of health insurance. And I don’t me you in the literal sense, just in the figurative sense. And you’re correct, I’ve never seen the show, but I do know about it.
As it stands now though, I’m going to hit the road, and be thankful that I’ve moved into the city so I don’t have an hour long drive. Y’all have a nice day and be sweet.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
BADA BING
August 31st, 2011
5:08 pm
Fly a C-130? I wish. Made right here in GA, good local jobs. Probably flying in every country on Earth right now. Lands on grass, snow, ice, dirt, and concrete, on small runways. $ for $ the best cargo plane ever built.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:10 pm
Amvet 5:00 – yawp on the first point
on the second one, I’m not so sure. It will be interesting to see how the latino vote goes in 2012. u may be right, u may be wrong
I may be crazy
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:13 pm
Jay, tell corporate that you blog has become so dern successful you need IT to build you a mobile app and some different tech for tracking the conversations (like some sort of Java enabled stuff maybe)
so we don’t have to flip through 20 pages sometimes, or could track threads.
That is, unless your users and you like the telegraph version
Jay
August 31st, 2011
5:13 pm
Lucifer, you devil you ….
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
5:14 pm
Bosch,
No sir. I did not “mind read”. You accused me of mind reading what you think about the liberal belief that people have a “right” to health care. Then I simply provided your quote, your words where you said it it. Why do you have a problem with me simply reiterating what you yourself said? And then you accuse me of projecting, mind reading, etc. over stuff you said? Unreal. End of story on that point.
Kinda funny that you criticize me for being a meany while at the same time commenting about me clutching my pearls and being an ass hole earlier and sanctimonious jerk, and on and on and on. The irony of it all. I was critical of you for your failure to understand the most basic statistical analysis. And you were the one who started off with the rudeness on the previous blog. Go back and look if you don’t believe me.
“you went off clutching your pearls that how dare I insinuate you would commit a crime, or something like that.”- Bosch
Bosch, your hypothetical was just plain silly. Nothing more to say on that.
pogo
August 31st, 2011
5:15 pm
Obama’s cheap political tactic of scheduling another one of his “Most Important Speeches” to the country over the Repbulican debate will again backfire. Seems he has done this before, hasn’t he? Nobody will be watching or listening because nobody believes anything this un-qualified windbag says anymore. Besides, it will only serve to irritate his “base” who would rather be watching Dancing with the Stars (or something intellectually equivalent).
Michael
August 31st, 2011
5:15 pm
GOP tops Obama! Agrees to throw one candidate off the island after the debate. Backstabbing to follow.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:16 pm
God knows Jay Bookman is going to become an integral part to bridging old media over to the digital age and locking in eyeballs for ad revenue in a non-print world for ole Cox Communications…..
Gives me the shudders
Good thing they have that autotrader thing too…..
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:16 pm
Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Only if somebody doesn’t bail him out and buy him a drink.
Oh wait, were you referring to the drunken uncle or the prez?
Or was it Michelle? Gosh, I hope not her, because we’ll be eating cardboard.
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm
jm: “Roubini isn’t a genius. If he was so good at figuring out the economy, he’d be getting rich investing off of it rather than blabbering along constantly. Another fricking Cassandra to be ignored is what he is.”
What an asinine statement.
First of all, what makes you think that anyone who can do it would want to use their intelligence and market know-how to make tones of money? Secondly, you dismiss him on the grounds that he’s a “Cassandra”. That’s strange. Normally the Cassandra myth is seen as an indictment of the society that’s too corrupt, short-sighted, or stupid to listen to her warnings – which are accurate – and not of Cassandra herself.
This right-wing ideology really does rot brains, I swear.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm
(ir)Rational — “Does sound nice. I had heard FTW in another context and wasn’t sure. More of a f the world type connotation.”
During the Vietnam era, it meant what you were thinking, F The World. But if you see it on internet message boards today, chances are FTW = For The Win.
“Didn’t think that’s what you meant, so I was asking.”
Not a problem, sir.
“FSAs sound like a good idea, and I might have to look into it.”
Your employer’s HR department is a good place to start. And if your company doesn’t offer it, your wife’s might.
We always max out my account, and we usually end up having to go buy another pair or two of glasses at the end of the year to empty out the funds (there is a use-it-or-lose-it policy). But last year, with all the costs I was incurring, we had no problem burning it all up.
We liked seeing the Northside bill that was about two percent of the before-adjustments hospitalization cost. And we REALLY liked being able to whip out that card and make the bill go away without any hit to our household savings or budget.
Swami Dave
August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm
Jay:
Since Joint Sessions of Congress occur in the House chambers, an equally valid response from the House could be:
“Sorry, in a bipartisan manner, we need to reschedule to a more suitable date that we can all agree to.”
Or…..in response to Hank’s immortal words – “Well, Big Dog, you can do it whenever you want, but not on that date so long as you need to use our porch!”
Of course, PrezBO could probably request and get an audience with the Democratic-controlled Senate or give the speech from the White House (thereby, appearing petulant and demanding of all attention – like some accuse him of being).
-SD
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:18 pm
AmVet
“Panel tallies massive waste and fraud in wartime U.S. contracts”
Remember when Democrats made another offer to cut spending, what was it, 300 billion over ten years, Sen Orrin Hatch said words to the effect of it’s only 30 billion a year, compared to the deficit, it’s insignificant.”
Republicans will likely yawn at only $60 billion in waste.
Afternoon, kayaker 71
“He flew C-130s in the Air Force ”
I listened to a good part of his VFW speech. He can give a good performance to a group like that.
But I laughed and shook my head at one point. See, that generation, many AF pilots had a bit of sensitivity if they weren’t fighter pilots. That was the glamor job, the mystique. Within the community there was good-natured ribbing about the ‘trash haulers’ and the ‘bomb droppers.’ Just part of the culture.
So I thought it would be enough for Gov Perry to say he flew C-130s. That group knows what that aircraft is – the “C” designates cargo. So how does Gov Perry refer to it? “I flew attack airlifters.” Had to listen a couple time so make sure he didn’t say ‘tac airlifters’ for ‘tactical airlifters.” Nope, it had to be ‘attack.’ More of a macho thing. “I didn’t fly C-130s, a cargo aircraft, I flew AA-130s. They’re the attack version…”
Not a big thing. Pretty small in the scheme of things. But to me it speaks more of having to project a manly man image when he didn’t need to . Being an AF pilot is honorable enough. The fact he has to manly it up is revealing.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
5:19 pm
Joe Mama,
I think you’re pretty much guilty of the very things you accuse me of. Nevertheless we’re just going to disagree on that and not going to solve anything arguing about it. In future correspondence I’ll keep your criticisms in mind and just be conscientousness of not doing what you say I do.
Ya’ll have a good evening. I gotta get going.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Doom — “I think you’re pretty much guilty of the very things you accuse me of.”
I don’t doubt that you think it.
“Nevertheless we’re just going to disagree on that and not going to solve anything arguing about it. In future correspondence I’ll keep your criticisms in mind and just be conscientousness of not doing what you say I do.”
I appreciate that. Thank you for your consideration.
“Ya’ll have a good evening. I gotta get going.”
Drive safely, Mr. Doom.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
LWM
“what makes you think that anyone who can do it would want to use their intelligence and market know-how”
Let’s parse this first. Um, the fact that people who can figure it out (Buffett, among others) do go do so because making money isn’t a bad way to make a living. Duh.
“Secondly, you dismiss him on the grounds that he’s a “Cassandra”. ”
Cassandra has long been a reference to someone who’s a negative nancy all the time. Right only on occasion because they say the same thing over and over. If you want to redefine the allegory of Cassandra, go ahead. But you’re just going to continue to make yourself look like a moron.
“which are accurate” someone doesn’t understand the story.
Matthew
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Obama is an inept weenie
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:23 pm
No Doom when you write that I believe something and project your own opinions as mine- the conversation will never end (as you so sanctimoniously assume you have the power to do).
md
August 31st, 2011
5:23 pm
So, the guy calling for bipartisanship starts off by scheduling on top of the other guys………..
And folks wonder what the problem is…………………
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
Joe Mama – HSA’s are even better than FSA’s if your company has them……. (none of the stupid “use it or lose it” rules with HSA’s that some Federal moron thought up)
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
“Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?”
You bet ………. the closer he gets to losing this next election the more desparate he will get.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:25 pm
“I didn’t fly C-130s, a cargo aircraft, I flew AA-130s. They’re the attack version…”
Is that the version that comes equipped with bombay doors.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:26 pm
md 5:23 – exactly. Obama just isn’t the right guy. He had the mojo on the campaign trail for 1 year.
But no one in DC (or even indy Bloomberg) likes him cause he’s an arrogant snot and overly technocratic
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:26 pm
Nice dodge doom not focus on the point that we as citizens have rights just like the ones you were swooning against. It wasn’t a far off hypothetical at all you are just too weak to counter the point as you’ve done all day. If you want to claim super intelligence start showing it
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
“bombay doors”
Only for the G&T crowd….
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
You bet ………. the closer he gets to losing this next election the more desparate he will get.
I think “desperation” is the hopes of removing a sitting president based on the belief that if one could just get a hold of his original birth certificate, the evidence would be so damning… well, you get the idea, don’t you.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
5:29 pm
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
Been out a while. I think aggressive is Jays wishfull thinking term.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:31 pm
Women don’t like to be lied to…they are worse off today…
Gallup: Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
(CNSNews.com) – Barack Obama defeated Sen. John McCain 56 percent to 43 percent among female voters in the 2008 presidential election, according to the network exit poll, and Obama’s job performance as president won the support of 70 percent of women early in his tenure.
But Gallup polling last week showed that only 41 percent of women now say they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president. That is an all-time low–down from the previous low of 43 percent, which is what Obama’s approval had been among women in each of the previous three weeks.
Obama’s approval has dropped 11 points among women over the past three months. In the last week of May, according to the Gallup poll, the president’s approval among females was at 52 percent.
Obama’s approval among women peaked at 70 percent
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:32 pm
“bombay doors” aka liquor cabinet?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:32 pm
Thanks to the lottery players.
Sure is. The bombay doors are for dropping cases of gin to the ground pounders -
Message from Matti
August 31st, 2011
5:33 pm
Paul explains, “The fact he has to manly it up is revealing.”
Indeed! Heh… take heed, gentlemen. Women know.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
jm
when we’re on the same wavelength……
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
Attack airlifters?
Too funny.
I bet every USAF vet there laughed their ass off, even if under their breath…
Mary Elizabeth
August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
LWM @ 5:17
“Normally the Cassandra myth is seen as an indictment of the society that’s too corrupt, short-sighted, or stupid to listen to her warnings – which are accurate – and not of Cassandra herself.”
———————————————–
Hmmm . . .In college, I was cast as Cassandra. The year, 1962. The play, “The Trojan Women.”
Just a little jab at a few. . .all in good humor! But I did enjoy playing that part!
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:35 pm
Hi Matti
I was referring more to psyche, but I’ll defer -
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:36 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
Well, while you are here …………. any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
Matthew
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Obama is an inept weenie
++++++++++++++++++++
Yep. His stature (ah hem) seems to get smaller as each day passes.
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
My bombay door is already open…obviously from my earlier keyboarding snafu…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
Scout
And while your here any comments on those unholy institutions?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
Scout
“Well, while you are here …………. any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there.”
I like the rumor Hillary will ask Perry to serve in her cabinet. After all, as was posted earlier, as Texas Ag Commissioner, he liked Hillarycare before he was against Hillarycare -
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
AmVet – Read my lips:
You won’t be laughing now …………..
AC-130 Spectre / Spooky
AC-130H Spectre gunship deploys flares in 2007
Role
Fixed-wing gunship
Manufacturer
Lockheed and Boeing
First flight
AC-130A: 1966
AC-130U: 1990
Introduction
AC-130A: 1968
AC-130H: 1972
AC-130U: 1995
Retired
AC-130A: 1995
Status
In service
Primary user
United States Air Force
Number built
47 (in all variants)
Unit cost
AC-130H: US$132.4 million
AC-130U: US$190 million (2002)
Developed from
Lockheed C-130 Hercules
“The Lockheed AC-130 gunship is a heavily-armed ground-attack aircraft variant of the C-130 Hercules transport plane.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130
Yoda
August 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
Hillary. Ahhhhhh. The desire to be President is strong with that one……..
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination?
+++++++++++++++
Only if she can first get him to take an evening stroll in Fort Marcy Park.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
Ruh roh Jay.
Boehner Asks Obama to Delay Jobs Speech
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/boehner-asks-obama-to-delay-jobs-speech.html
Methinky I should’ve wagered some money with you on that one……
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm
Jay needs an UPDATE!
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm
Bosch:
God knows who they are:
Matthew 7
“15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ “
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
Paul:
That’s fine and cute but what are your thoughts if Hillary tries to unseat him.
Who would you support ?
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
Uncle Jed…
“Only if she can first get him to take an evening stroll in Fort Marcy Park.”
Oooh! You didn’t!
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Ooopie – just say no.
And Amvet, Spooky flying is way cooler that community agitation.
TruthBe
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
It’s need to be repeated. Good job.
AngryMobVoter
August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
The Republicans in Congress should boycott this speech. This is another example of dirty politics by Obama.
All Obama is interesting doing is campaigning to the detriment of the American people. Scheduling this at the same time as the debate proves it. And we thought Nixon was bad…
What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES that he knows cannot pass the House. Then he will use that outcome to campaign indicating the Republicans are not working to fix the economy. This is DIRTY POLITICS of the highest order. Obama is putting his reelection AMBITION ahead of what is good for the country. Getting elected is more important than the SUFFERING of the American people to Obama. This COMPLETE DISREGARD for the welfare of the American people shows how urgent it is to vote Obama out of office.
Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is. Having the taxpayers pay for what was just a campaign trip shows his disdain for the suffering of the American people.
The fact is the American economic problems will never be solved. All of the people living off the governments dime (welfare, food stamps, government employees, etc.) will continue to vote for the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS. The SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS will continue to vote for the maintenance and extension of these programs so they can keep getting elected. It is a downward spiral with no viable solution unless all of us not living off the government’s dime vote 100% to replace the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS.
Obama engaged in a reckless stimulus spending plan which only did more harm than good. That money was used to offset financial mismanagement at the state level. The projects that were funded by that money only gave a temporary increase in business to certain businesses but BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business. The only way we will see real, long term growth in jobs is if we eliminate the oppressive regulation of business (not Wall Street), change the tax structure so it is comparable to other countries, allow businesses the flexibility to make labor more efficient and STOP THE SPENDING.
Printing money did not work because interest rates were already as low as they could go. More dollars chasing the same amount of good and service means price increases not more jobs.
Our bloated and inefficient government is what is thwarting job and economic growth and the reckless stimulus spending and the reckless printing of money have not and will not do anything to fix it.
Obama is so h*ll bent of “taxing the rich” (whatever that means) because it is a campaign strategy not because it is good for the country. Obama is obsessed with getting reelected so he can ram more of his “hope and change” left-wing, near socialistic programs into law. The Democrats with Obama in charge will continue to spend and spend. More and more social programs will mean more and more people with little incentive to work and more and more voters living off the programs advocated by the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS . His “taxing the rich” attitude will send more and more jobs out of the country.
Mr. Obama: stop campaigning, stop SPENDING, TAXING, and REGULATING and do what is good for the country.
We must continue to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Well, while you are here …………. any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there.
That’s so last presidential campaign. I think Obama won by the way.
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
…than…
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm
Breaking News ………….. just in !
Advance copy of Obama’s “Jobs Speech” before a Joint Session of Congress:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ato64iEK8Go
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm
My 2 cents:
I’d take Hillary over Perry…. but I’d take Romney over Hillary
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
Who would you support if she tries again?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:45 pm
Scout
Why would he be laughing? The Spectre does not have a cargo mission. All those guns and crew stations get in the way.
You really thinking a Spectre pilot’s gonna say he flies ‘airlifters’ and not ‘gunships’?
’sides which, Perry didn’t fly them.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:46 pm
Oh AmVet – read my lips:
Are you still out there ?
……………. or have you re-enlisted to fly C-130 ground attack aircraft ??
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
Scout
I honestly don’t know. But if it was Perry v Hillary I definitely do know. Same as if it was Perry v Obama. Or Perry v Daffy Duck.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
AC-130 Spectre / Spooky
+++++++++++++
Jay may have a question for you, like he did for Tommy @ 8:04A.M.
(the boy likes a good game of tag)
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
Rick Perry is a complete wild card. Other than to say he is a pandering, pompous, self promoting populist.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
You won’t be laughing now …………..
AC-130 Spectre / Spooky
AC-130H Spectre gunship deploys flares in 2007
I didn’t serve in the Air Force, and even I would have called him on claiming he flew an AA-130. There is no such designation for an aircraft like that. Google AA-130 and you turn up information on American Airlines flight #130. I spent enough time around C-130 crewmembers in Montgomery to know the difference between a C-130 and an AC-130. Last time I checked, I think the C-130 was rolling out as the C-130J.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
Perry: oh I left out a “pay to play” player
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
Mary Elizabeth, do you feel like you’re reliving history?
jm, why do you assume that everyone who has the capacity to make money wants to dedicate themselves to something like that? Or more to the point, why do you immediately assume that a person who studies and critiques is doing so because they were unable to do the former?
Do you even see the point I’m making, I wonder, or are you too gone in your capitalist world.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
+++++++++++++++++
Well dang it, the door was open.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
Bro – why choose the BB gun when there’s a canon right next to you?
Arguing over the flight experience or name is like a Republican bringing up 57 states. Really?
Perry has enough liabilities to plaster the Taj Mahal with. And you go for that one?
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
All I know is “Spooky” and “Puff” saved my rearend a time or two and even though the Air Force threw me and three other Marines out of one of their messhalls in Da Nang in 1968, I forgive them ………………
Message from Matti
August 31st, 2011
5:51 pm
Hillary is totally over y’all’s buuuuuull-poo. She’s got better things to do.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Mary Elizabeth:
Check out 5:41.
No response solicited.
Where have I heard that before ?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Who would you support if she tries again?
That depends on the contents of Box 23.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Matti:
Time will tell.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
At least you got the box number correct. Kammie couldn’t even do that.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
Brosephus
Just so there’s no misunderstanding, I came up with “AA-130″ to illustrate “I flew attack airlifters.” Since he flew C-130s I combined it to AA-130. There is no AA-130. Just C-130 and as Scout pointed out, AC-130, for the attack version of the cargo series, but without a cargo mission. Sure, they can do it in a pinch in a limited way, but the aircraft is designed for a ground attack role.
But that all just gets away from the point of why someone like Gov Perry feels it necessary to pad his resume.
cue Matti…..
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
I hope she does. It would be so amusing.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:54 pm
Oh LWM – I don’t believe everyone that can make lots of $ chooses to do so silly.
I just think Roubini is a cr-ppy prognosticator. The guy sees storms over every horizon. He doesn’t know which ones to worry about, which to go around, and which to ignore. Meaning, his advice is worthless. The stupid media keeps listening to him, and the stupid investors did.
Or, said another way, there are at least 5,000 people who I would listen to in this country before I would listen to him
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:54 pm
Pad his resume’? And Obama didn’t?
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:55 pm
“She’s got better things to do.”
Like keeping Bill on the reservation.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:55 pm
Hillary is totally over y’all’s buuuuuull-poo. She’s got better things to do.
+++++++++++++++=
You are probably right, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see it happen.
I think what Barry really needs to worry about is Palin. She can’t decide what to do and it has been rumored that she may switch to the democrat party and challenge BHO, in which case he loses no matter what.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:55 pm
Scout
You’ll have to refer to Matti’s earlier comment to get the real meaning of “pad his resume’….
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:56 pm
Obama can move even further to the center and not lose his left-liberal support for the simple reason they’ll vote for him out of sheer terror, however p*ssed and alienated they may be. The GOP would have to field a candidate who could play to the center, which is where the bulk of the American voters are in order to give him a run for his money. With the proper candidate (Romney?) They might even win since the center is none to happy with Obama. Instead the GOP appears intent on committing political suicide by playing to their own extremes.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:57 pm
Just so there’s no misunderstanding, I came up with “AA-130″ to illustrate “I flew attack airlifters.”
Yes, but I came up with Bombay Doors! So THERE!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
5:57 pm
“Reagan debate can wait” drudge
Crush them again President Obama.
md
August 31st, 2011
5:57 pm
IF Hillary wants to run again, I’d say this is her last chance………if Obama gets re-elected, history dictates the country won’t do 12 yrs of D’s……..if an R wins, odds may be for 2 terms, and then the historical data kicks in again………and by then, she is an older McCain…………………..
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:58 pm
josef 5:56 – campaign season has barely begun…… don’t count your chickens yet
Jay owes me one on the Boehner response….. being good at games can make one a lot of money (and help one figure out politics too)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
5:59 pm
any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there
I am confident that the Dems caucus frequently with the providers of Scout’s emails to be sure he is up on all the scoop.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
5:59 pm
Hillary is ready to retire.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 31st, 2011
5:59 pm
It’s funny when you hear “tax the rich”, people that are “rich” don’t have a job where their employer sends them a W2 at the end of the year and they are taxed by the govt. People who are rich are that way by investments, family wealth, real estate owned, things like that. They don’t necessarily have income coming in each year that can be taxed. What happens when silly Democrats think the “rich” should be taxed is hard working Americans that make a combined income of 250K or more bear the burden of a tax increase. These are people that get up every morning, fight rush hour traffic to make a nice living for themselves and their family. Democrats think they deserve to be penalized for that. When you silly Democrats think that by raising the federal income tax bracket on the “rich” is going to effect guys like Warren Buffett or other major players you are plain wrong. Same thing goes for all the “evil” CEO’s out there, they don’t get a W2 at the end of the year showing $25 million bucks, they are paid mostly by company stock these days which can’t be taxed until it is sold.
And if a Democrat thinks that in a recession taxing corporations and rich people is going to help the economy and create jobs you are sadly mistaken. Why don’t you think Obama has pushed more for it, do you really believe the lame idea that he didn’t increase taxes because of the extension of unemployment benefits? Don’t be that gullible, he didn’t raise taxes because he knows that would be a stupid idea. Obama campaigned on taxing the rich to satisfy Democrats and he hasn’t done it and guess what, he certainly won’t increase taxes before 2012 because he know that’s a good way to loose the election.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
6:01 pm
and by then, she is an older McCain
+++++++++++++++++=
For crying out loud, it is dinner time.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
6:02 pm
Paul:
Sorry, I only read “Matti” once.
Message from Matti
August 31st, 2011
6:02 pm
Scout,
She’s over it. She knows exactly why a non-Dem would encourage her to run, and the motivations there are absurdly transparent.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
6:03 pm
Hillary is ready to retire.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Man, those ankles are really going to look thick in the SAS shoes
(I gotta go run cable to the deck for Saturday’s game…GO DAWGS)
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:03 pm
I can see a draft Hillary movement…how much steam and her own reaction? Who knows.
jm
Oh, I agree with you and the Romany lady that it’s way to early to be making any kind of predictions..however, the GOP has got to do better than its doing now with that crop of, well, plain loonies…
getalife
August 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
Another over reach by disrespecting our President on his request.
They are out of touch with the majority.
Can they behave like adults during his speech?
Doubt it.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
getalife:
Not so fast ………………
Headline L.A. Times (Yesterday): “She’s baack! Hillary Clinton questions return to Obama White House”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/08/hillary-clinton-obama.html
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
Lottery Players
And so you did, and good on you for it. But I was shocked, I tell you, shocked to see that’s the name of a band! Somehow I think the ground pounders would like my Bombay dropped better than yours. Just a guess –
http://tinyurl.com/3np98tz
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
Matti:
You too ………… 6:04
Hillary 2012
August 31st, 2011
6:05 pm
Would be cool to see 2 barriers (first racial, then the glass ceiling) broken in 4 years.
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
6:05 pm
Poof and wheedleldee dee
What night is the great Obama kickoff show and the raucous Repub dogfight? The BRAVES better be playing then. I’ve got to have something worth watching.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 31st, 2011
6:06 pm
And I love Jay’s title of his article, I mean the economy has been a mess Obama’s entire 1st term, wouldn’t you think he would have been more agressive a while back? Oh yeah, 2012 is coming around the corner, election time, he’s gotta start working for that 2nd term, haha, I hope things do get turned around, I don’t care who’s in office, but it might be a little late to start getting agressive. And he’s gonna have to get more agressive than scheduling a speech the same time as a GOP debate!
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
6:06 pm
Well, I’ll have to salute the Texas trash hauler. At least he didn’t hide out in Alabama for the last year of his commitment, losing his flight status in the process while stumping for some unknown GOP hack…
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:06 pm
Scout
No problem, it was pun time.
Writing that reminded me of a Get Smart episode where the writer said he did the entire script of Maxwell Smart tracking a bad guy named Grauman who had a Chinese bodyguard (kind of a Goldfinger take) so he could have Maxwell looking at them and saying to 99 “So that’s Grauman’s Chinese.”
jm
August 31st, 2011
6:07 pm
Boehner pushes back on Obama’s request to give jobs speech
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62417.html
Jay, I won’t make you eat crow. You can just buy me a beer at Manuels…..
(Not that Boehner has won this battle yet)
getalife
August 31st, 2011
6:09 pm
NFL starts the day after the President’s speech.
Go Saints!
Champs vs champs.
Who dat gets that belt.
Message from Matti
August 31st, 2011
6:09 pm
Rightie Whities would just LUUUUUUUV for Hillary to challenge Obama, further divide the Dems, weaken whatever chance they have to retain the White House. And that’s just for starters. THe REAL fun begins when they have a whole new catalyst to start in again, like Uncle Jed, with their gross, misogynistic commentary on her appearance and legitimacy in the feminine gender, and start bashing her husband again while simultaneously empathizing with his decision to run around on her. Again. YUCK! What would possibly be in it for her? Nothing, because that’s what her pretend fans are offering. Zippo.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:10 pm
AmVet
As has been said, give honor and credit where it’s due.
So I give him that, too.
But it’s his political character that concerns me.
Woodstock Mike
“They don’t necessarily have income coming in each year that can be taxed. ”
I believe that’s where the debate is. Earned and unearned income and the tax rates applied. Nothing said about current asset values.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
6:11 pm
I don’t know about that, Paul. I actually think the enemy would be just plain shocked and awed to look up and see a band with guitars and drums and all dropped from a C-130, oops, I mean AA-130.
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
6:11 pm
jm “The stupid media keeps listening to him, and the stupid investors did.”
Alright pardner, I think we can agree to put down our six shooters here. And I’m not interested in defending Roubini per se, I just thought you were rejecting him just because he engaged in prognostication and forecasting.
One thing I will say, perhaps one reason for the fascination with Roubini now in the wake of the crash is the utter failure of so much of the economic commentariat to even see the crisis coming, let alone recommend any steps for dealing with it.
It was sort of like suffering through the financial equivalent to Katrina, except in this case we didn’t even know it was coming because 95% of the forecasters either had faulty models or had their heads so deep in the sand they didn’t know what way was up. So I think in this particular case there is some grounds for being indulgent with those few voices who were raising alarms well before the crisis hit unlike the majority in their profession.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
6:13 pm
Matti:
“Rightie Whities would just LUUUUUUUV for Hillary to challenge Obama, further divide the Dems, weaken whatever chance they have to retain the White House.”
Wow ! How perceptive.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
6:15 pm
Scout
God isn’t the one who made that claim you did- now again name those unholy denominations
jm
August 31st, 2011
6:16 pm
Obama’s defenders were fuming over Boehner’s cheek in suggesting Sept. 8 — which would conflict with the NFL’s opening night matchup between the Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers and New Orleans Saints.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62417.html#ixzz1WeBZQAjD
Really? Obama’s football schedule is more important than jobs or deciding the future president of the United States. Obama’s people live in looney ville. Or they think people are suckers.
jm
August 31st, 2011
6:18 pm
Carney is full of so much BS….. spin (his area of expertise)
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
6:19 pm
Josef, 6:03
You read this blog and think Repubs produce loonies? And you a school teacher!
The loony D gene is so rampant in Dem circles scientists may call it epidemic. No shots for it yet. It may be related to the aggresive chickenhawk virus first found in community organizers. It’s called Chicago CV.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:20 pm
Bosch
What’s the time designator for the unholy denominations post?
Someone slandering pagan agnostic Jedi Episcopalopians?
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
6:21 pm
Scout,
Ever make it over to the 95th Evac while you were in DaNang?
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
6:21 pm
Bro – why choose the BB gun when there’s a canon right next to you?
Arguing over the flight experience or name is like a Republican bringing up 57 states. Really?
jm
I could probably go on and on with Perry, but that speech gaffe there is reason enough for people to look at him with a jaded eye. AC-130’s typically come in when there’s asses to save on the ground. They are not used as primary airlift vehicles. C-130’s are primary airlift. If Perry has to macho up his military service because he doesn’t think it’s manly enough to fly C-130’s, then what else is he trying to macho up in his run for office.
I’ve had lots of military personnel in my family. The big joke for Army folks was to not choose 88-Mike as their MOS. If you didn’t know, 88-M is a truck driver. When 88-Mike’s started dropping left and right in Iraq from IED’s, that joke is no longer told at the table.
jm
August 31st, 2011
6:21 pm
LWM 6:11 – yeah. People like John Paulson. Or any of the several dozen other forecasters that were warning about it, but weren’t as big a bunch of self promoters…….
Yeah, on balance, the forecasting profession stinks. And that includes Roubini. As they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every so often.
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:22 pm
DUSTY
Both sides have their share of partisan loons…the Republicans just seem intent on running one for President even when presented with a moderate alternative…
jm
August 31st, 2011
6:24 pm
out- cheerio folks.
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:24 pm
BOSCH and PAUL
Papists, Papists Light, Jews and Muslims and I’m not sure the Calvinists aren’t in there, too…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
6:26 pm
Paul
Stands has been asking Scout to name the denominations he indicated were unholy (which apparently he is too cowardly to stand up to his convictions and do) I was just helping stands out.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:29 pm
josef
Papists? Aren’t those the guys who view the denominations of those who disparage them as heretics and apostates?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
6:29 pm
Papists, Papists Light, Jews and Muslims and I’m not sure the Calvinists aren’t in there, too…
So now you have switched to the talk about the canon, I see.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
6:30 pm
Brocephus,
Quit making a big deal out of what kind of C-130 Perry flew. It doesn’t matter. I am sure that you can cite the service record of our present occupant of government housing. Bozo couldn’t fly a kite in a strong wind.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
6:31 pm
And let’s not forget the Corporal’s favorite – the weenie Mennonites.
Damn Christian bashers!
Paul @6;10, agreed, and that is why I saluted him.
And that term, trash hauler?
Those are his words…
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:32 pm
Lottery
PAUL
That’s them! Mama used to call the screeds “Papist Smears!”
Atlanta1
August 31st, 2011
6:32 pm
I’m always amused to see those on the left call those on the right ‘wingnuts’.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:33 pm
Bosch
Ah, why am I not surprised?
Mary Elizabeth
August 31st, 2011
6:34 pm
LWM @ 5:48
Mary Elizabeth, do you feel like you’re reliving history?
————————————————-
At times I do, LWM, but more I think that my playing Cassandra – almost 50 years ago – was prophetic in itself and tinged with a little destiny. (The theatre professor who cast me in that role had a good eye for what I am about; I will say that.)
BTW, I liked very much the remainder of your post, also. Thanks for voicing that which, in today’s world, is rarely considered. Values have changed so much since the early 1980s. I keep hoping balance will return.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
6:35 pm
Bozo couldn’t fly a kite in a strong wind.
Quit clowning around, kayaker. Everyone knows that Bozo don’t need to kite flying to make you laugh. All he needs is a good routine. You should try it some time.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:36 pm
AmVet
“And that term, trash hauler?
Those are his words…”
If I’m not mistaken, said by AF vets with smiles on their faces.
kayaker 71
“Brocephus,
Quit making a big deal out of what kind of C-130 Perry flew. It doesn’t matter.”
I am the one who began the topic. You might want to review the entire post at 5:18 in which I concluded with: “Not a big thing. Pretty small in the scheme of things. But to me it speaks more of having to project a manly man image when he didn’t need to . Being an AF pilot is honorable enough. The fact he has to manly it up is revealing.”
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:38 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
In the values change since the 1980s, speaking just as a f*ggot here, but that’s not an altogether bad thing…
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:41 pm
PAUL
Why when discussing “manly man” Perry do the Village People keep coming to mind…
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
6:42 pm
What’s the Air Force equivalent of a Swiftboat vet?
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
6:43 pm
Paul,
I have been around a lot of pilots in my military career from people who flew dust offs in VN to Apache A-64 pilots in the gulf to A-16 jockeys. I have never met one who didn’t have an ego about as large as his aircraft.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:43 pm
josef
They do, actually. There’s something about the guy on the left….
http://tinyurl.com/3ncqwe5
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:45 pm
kayaker 71
True words. And really, there’s nothing wrong with it. Any job where you can die any day you go to work – a bit of ego is a healthy thing.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
6:46 pm
“What’s the Air Force equivalent of a Swiftboat vet?”
I’m just spitballin’ here, but an Attack Airlifter vet? (grin)
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:46 pm
PAUL
That’s him! Far left in the photo!
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
6:50 pm
Standard & Poor’s is giving a higher rating to securities backed by subprime home loans, the same type of investments that led to the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, than it assigns the U.S. government.
S&P is poised to provide AAA grades to 59 percent of Springleaf Mortgage Loan Trust 2011-1, a set of bonds tied to $497 million lent to homeowners with below-average credit scores and almost no equity in their properties. New York-based S&P stripped the U.S. of its top rank on Aug. 5, saying Washington politics were making the country less creditworthy.
I’d like to hear Obama or Boehner or someone explain that one.
Mary Elizabeth
August 31st, 2011
6:50 pm
josef 6:38
MARY ELIZABETH
“In the values change since the 1980s, speaking just as a f*ggot here, but that’s not an altogether bad thing…”
———————————————-
Notice my last sentence of that 6:34 post, josef, which was: “I keep hoping balance will return.”
Btw, I promise not to stereotype you, if you extend the same courtesy to moi!
Also, a little tidbit of info for you. When Obama first occupied the Oval Office after his election, he noticed that there was a sculpture of Winston Churchill in the room. Obama had it changed to a sculpture of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
6:52 pm
AmVet
Having seen the guy campaign…. yup.
He doesn’t believe in the Geneva Convention for political races.
Actually, I’d guess the guy thinks Christian principles are exempt from political races…..
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
6:54 pm
Well, once again, the Righties have got it all figured out. They’re gonna win the White House in 2012 with Dumbass redux. (Which I agree with.)
Great! Let me ask you this? What do you think Little Rickie is gonna do that will change anything? Have you really thought about it?
Well, let’s see. We can reduce the corporate tax rate to zero. We can have tax cuts across the board. A few more wars couldn’t hurt. Oh, wait! I forgot! How about a corporate tax holiday so’s them corporations can use that $1,000,000,000,000 they made by shipping American jobs overseas to create jobs here? Huh?
I just can’t wait! It’s gonna be happy days are here again all over again.
The truth is, the Right will keep on keeping on with the tried and failed policies of the past and things will not only not improve, they’ll get worse.
Hey, good luck! Obama has taken the whipping for the Right’s policies long enough. It truly is time for a change.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
August 31st, 2011
6:56 pm
Watch the duotone reiterate his “laser-like focus on jobs”? He’s already done that about ten times during his regime. If you have insomnia, tune in to the Manchurian Candidate.
pogo
August 31st, 2011
6:56 pm
Yep. Obama’s pathetic attempt at upmanship by having his “major” speech on the night of the republican debate is nothing but sad. A desperate man who cannot accept he is on the way out because of his own ineptitude. The republican debate was scheduled way before Obama’s “major jobs speech”. This reeks of desperation. Jay, you should have referred to “desperation” instead of “aggression” in relation to another one of Obama’s tactics.
And oh, the unions have backed off their ban of republicans in the Labor Day parade in WS. Why? Because their leaders suddenly realized that they would have to foot the bill. The union leaders hate nothing more than having to spend money that could go in their own pockets.
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
6:58 pm
Kayaker…..”I have been around a lot of pilots in my military career from people who flew dust offs in VN to Apache A-64 pilots in the gulf to A-16 jockeys. I have never met one who didn’t have an ego about as large as his aircraf.”
Now why do you think that is?
josef
August 31st, 2011
6:58 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
Don’t get your pantaloons in a wedgie…! I simply was saying that it’s all a mixed bag…some good things, some bad things…and you say “hoping balance will return” and the time referenced was the 1980s…NOT a time I care to look back on as good times and balanced…
josef
August 31st, 2011
7:00 pm
BTW
I’d have been much more impressed if he’d changed it for a sculpture of Fannie Lou Hamer…
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
7:05 pm
Quit making a big deal out of what kind of C-130 Perry flew. It doesn’t matter.
It might not matter to you, since you have such a crush on Perry, but I take politics very serious. He’s already machoed up his accomplishments on several occasions. What I’m beginning to see is that Perry can’t seem to be comfortable with just being himself. I don’t want somebody anywhere near the launch codes if that person feels that he has to macho up every damn time he opens up his mouth.
You’ve been on this planet for a while, but people like me have a hell of a lot more living to do. I don’t wanna end my life as a dayglo yellow brotha because some b@stard got the itchy finger because another leader challenged his machismo.
josef
August 31st, 2011
7:08 pm
BROSEPHUS
I’m with you on that testosterone overdose as a “qualification…” That’s one of the places I actually respect President Obama…he ain’t et up with it.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 31st, 2011
7:09 pm
I don’t wanna end my life as a dayglo yellow brotha because some b@stard got the itchy finger because another leader challenged his machismo.
Well, it’s for dang sure I ain’t going to invite you up to Billy Bob’s.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
7:11 pm
kayaker
I’ll quit making a big deal out of Perry’s airplane when you conservatives call our president by his birth name. Until then, don’t ask me to not do a damn thing.
James
August 31st, 2011
7:11 pm
Imagine what Bookman would have said if George Bush had done something like this!! What a hypocrite!!
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
7:15 pm
Imagine what Bookman would have said if George Bush had done something like this!! What a hypocrite!!
Why leave your wet dreams to your imagination. Bush was in the past so go look it up and report back your findings.
Mary Elizabeth
August 31st, 2011
7:19 pm
josef @ 6:58
“pantaloons in a wedgie” doesn’t quite have the courtesy I was hoping for, josef. Neverthess, I will be courteous to you.
Every generation has its “good and bad” mixtures, but I was referring to LWM’s thoughts that today so many are engulfed in the values of captalism that they fail to realize that others, who have equal intelligence, do not choose money-making as a way of exercising their intelligence. The values of those intelligent young people of the 1960s, who joined the Peace Corps, for instance, in their day, is what I was referring to hoping would return. Since the 80s, the nation has moved in a more self-oriented capitalistic direction. Both perspectives are needed. Hence, my statement that I hoped balance would return.
I have been a supporter of human rights all of my life, and that includes those rights – inalienable – for homosexuals. I am glad the nation is finally evolving to understand the fundamental equality of all.
Obama, obviously, chose to place a sculpture close-at-hand, where he makes critical decisions in the Oval Office, of someone with whom feels deep affinity. That choice was MLK for him.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
7:22 pm
Brocephus,
Machismo is not in short supply for presidents. Neither is narcissism. Perry is not the only one in the political arena with this characteristic. Just to be put into that arena with your every need taken care of, your every movement watched and scrutinized and your every word analyzed by a critical media….. this makes humility rather difficult. Your every meal is fixed for you, you have control of a budget that would dwarf the common man and you are made to believe by all of the syncophants that follow you around that your are indeed the man. It takes a pretty strong person to climb above this. Many never do. I think that the only one that has done it since Truman has been George HW Bush. Your thoughts?
Mick
August 31st, 2011
7:25 pm
Yaker
Just realize what it takes to make it to the presidency. The ultimate game of survivor, if you will. People like you do not respect the accomplishment with your silly grade school name calling of this president. That’s why so many conclude it’s nothing more than his skin color that bothers so many….
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
7:25 pm
A more aggressive Obama?
Of course……. What he will do is throw out a new massive spending bill so when the House refuses to go along he can claim they are preventing him from creating new jobs and killing the economy for political purposes.
Simple!!
welcome to campaign 2012 Obama style!!
i.e. he will include a few pseudocuts to show how reasonable he is willing to be!
carlosgvv
August 31st, 2011
7:26 pm
Speaking of MLK, that huge statue of him in Washington looks like something the North Korean Government would build for their ‘dear and glorous leader”.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
7:27 pm
The President comes and firing.
Down goes the gop.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
7:28 pm
**dayglo yellow brotha**
That’s a hilarious image, too funny…score one for the cephus…go canes…
josef
August 31st, 2011
7:29 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
Oh, don’t take me so seriously…the pantaloons comment was a lighthearted reference to those who call you an old lady!
And. again, I don’t think we’ve lost our moral compass…I look at my own kids, and as Unmentionable says, we must have done something right. It’s time for us geriatrics from the 1960s to go sit in the rocking chairs, tell our stories to the young folks, and put a little faith in what they want from their world…
And, just for the record, I think MLK and a lot of others get WAAAY too much credit…it was the Fannie Lou Hamers to whom we owe the credit…and until such time as I see her brought out for Black History Month and monuments and what have you, we are missing the true heroes and heroines of “the Movement…”
MLK came home from his stint behind bars to a nice cushy home and a secure, good salary. Fannie Lou Hamer came home from hers to find her black a33 sittin’ in the middle of a field road in the middle of a cotton patch in the Delta…
Cynic? You betcha!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
7:29 pm
out not and.
D’oh!
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
7:31 pm
Mick,
I have always had a certain respect for the office of the presidency until Jan 2009. I don’t care if this guy is purple with pink polka dots……he is not qualified to be in the WH. His policies have failed, his ideas are without merit and most of America agrees with me. Look at Rasmussen, even today. 79% of America thinks that we are on the wrong track. A full one in four Democrats would like to have another candidate in 2012. This tells you a lot. But it flies by you like it didn’t even exist. What kind of world do you live in?
Mick
August 31st, 2011
7:31 pm
**House refuses to go along he can claim they are preventing him from creating new jobs and killing the economy for political purposes**
Seems like you are more concerned with the politics than job creating yourself. Just an observation, I mean isn’t everyone in both parties clamoring for more jobs? What are the repubs offering? Tax cuts are worthless when you are not getting a paycheck, eh?
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
7:31 pm
I think that the only one that has done it since Truman has been George HW Bush. Your thoughts?
I can pretty much agree with you on that. The one fault with GHW Bush was that his transcending that uber-hubris led to his one term administration. He used common sense to make decisions, and that was used against him in the elections. Our electoral system is so polarized that common sense is treated as a weakness and is dealt with in like manner. That’s why we keep ending up with sh*tty candidates for office.
In my opinion there is a difference between the machismo that comes from being the POTUS versus machismo that one has before even being elected. I may be wrong, but about the only GOP candidate that has the remote possiblity of overcoming that urge to be Super Macho Man is Romney. I don’t agree with all his politics, but Romney is the only one I see that appears to have the level-headed thinking to transcend the urge to be Macho Man at 1600
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
7:33 pm
“pantaloons in a wedgie” doesn’t quite have the courtesy I was hoping for, josef. Neverthess, I will be courteous to you.
I believe I saw and heard that very same line from this ole puritan lady dismounting from the stage coach in a gunsmoke episode!
Mick
August 31st, 2011
7:36 pm
yaker
**What kind of world do you live in?**
I live in reality where obama is no where as bad as you claim nor is he as good as you think dems claim he is. Like always, he is more in the middle, very average so far, with a few feathers in his cap. How would you rate his predessor and the state of the country that was left for whomever followed? Tell the truth…
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
7:42 pm
Kayaker 71:
Only to visit some friends thankgoodness. I got malaria later but the Lord was very good to me.
givememyfairshare
August 31st, 2011
7:43 pm
Green jobs are the answer, right?
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
7:43 pm
Bosch:
I’ve got a great idea. Why don’t you name all of the “Holy” ones?
josef
August 31st, 2011
7:43 pm
MICK
@ 7:36
We’re in the same world there. Just my own opinion, but I see him as a mediocre centrist. Some things he’s done, I agree with and some I don’t. I just wish the polarcists would quit their he does no good-he does no ill..time will tell and it’s decades away before we can even begin “to judge” his presidency. The world won’t come to an end if he’s reelected and neither will the Rapture…four more mediocre centrist years, and, considering the alternatives being offered…
givememyfairshare
August 31st, 2011
7:43 pm
Mick – you may need a reality check
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
7:45 pm
Bosch:
“Snakehandlers” !
getalife
August 31st, 2011
7:45 pm
“Tell the truth…”
Funny.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
7:46 pm
josef
There’s a couple of nice things in the health care bill that have definately done some immediate good (preconditions). Eight longggg years of the previous guy seemed like forever but as I said to the good scout, :this too shall pass”.
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
7:47 pm
What if I told you that . . .
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
7:48 pm
getalife,7:27 that was almost poetic, lets try more
————————
“The president comes (out) firing
Down goes the gop.”
The president comes conniving.
UP pops the gop
The president is arriving
Let Martha’s Vineyard be.
The president says “I’m speaking”
The gop, “We’ll see!”
So goes the great conundrum,
The dibbly dabbly bum run.
josef
August 31st, 2011
7:50 pm
BROSEPHUS
At SE….
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
7:52 pm
getalife- He needs a new house.
I really don’t care if he gets a new house as long as he moves out. He would have to find a new crook/ real estate agent to help him since Rezco is still in jail. I’m sure Dodd could hook him up with some good financing though.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
7:53 pm
Is that a get Obama spell Dusty?
You should watch True Blood.
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
7:53 pm
Mick, you said “this too shall pass”.
Well, it would pass a lot faster if you quit talking about Bush at every turn.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
7:54 pm
jk,
Another con talking point parrot.
Yawn……
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
7:56 pm
getalife,
I’ve never had an Obama “spell” but he surely has cast one over you.
josef
August 31st, 2011
7:56 pm
MICK
As a general rule I don’t hold “symbolism” in the highest regard when coming from elected officials…however, his address to the schoolchildren each year is something I can stand on a chair and applaud…It’s something to watch as our little ones are addressed by their president…that is civics in action…
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
7:56 pm
Gosh! I miss the “good old days!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
7:58 pm
Dusty,
Compared to what?
A weird robot or another idiot cowboy?
Four more years because there is no other choice.
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
7:58 pm
Josef,
Truman was considered “ordinary” too. So get your nose out of the air and wait and see what happens. Some good kickin’ boots may be just what we need to clear out Washington.
Curious Observer
August 31st, 2011
7:59 pm
Here’s an interesting piece on at least one state’s effort to get away from viewing stadardized test scores as the be-all and end-all of education:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/29/education.wv.finland/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:00 pm
Josef what u think of the new sup?
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:01 pm
Getalife u get your OFA check yet?
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
8:01 pm
getalife,
“a weird robot or another idiot cowboy”.
You should not talk about your Dem buddies like that.
josef
August 31st, 2011
8:03 pm
DUSTY
For the record, I consider Truman the best president at least of the 20th Century…
But none of the lot vying for 1600, I certainly hope and pray, are “ordinary.” If they are, we’re in bigger trouble than I would have thought…My nose is not in the air…else how could I be looking down it?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
8:03 pm
jm,
Mind your business con.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
8:04 pm
Quit making a big deal out of what kind of C-130 Perry flew. It doesn’t matter
Why can’t the guy get a party plane like Nancy Pelosi to run around in…
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
8:05 pm
jo
Gotcha!!
josef
August 31st, 2011
8:06 pm
Jm
My jury is, of course, out…but so far, so good…he has a really good self-effacing sense of humor and has proven to be highly approachable…in the long run, though, I’m afraid he may have bitten off more than he can chew…
getalife
August 31st, 2011
8:06 pm
Dusty,
You got nothing and will lose.
Tell your friends to show him some respect.
Be patriotic.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
8:10 pm
getalife- A weird robot or another idiot cowboy?
Isn’t obama the idiot cowboy? You really like the oxymorons.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
8:14 pm
Curious Observer
Quite the interesting read. I’ll have to make a note to follow WV over the next few years to see how that turns out. Sounds like they’re turning their ship in the right direction to push foward.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
8:14 pm
Obama is an idiot cowboy? Probably….much like Clevon Little: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqL7dNujNc
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:15 pm
Josef
He seems like a good guy to me
Hope he can turn the ship around and get it ready for a new superintendent in a few years
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:20 pm
Jay seems like the political hacks at the WH rolled the dice and may have lost
Now they look really dumb and petty
They have two choices
Whine and look petty about insulting the president and look weak arguing about a 24 hr scheduling issue
Accept Boehners proposal and look stupid and weak
Raise the ante and try to muscle boehner and ruin a relationship, any room for compromise, and maybe still lose
That’s 3 but hey who’s counting…..
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:20 pm
WH pols look duuuuuuuuuumb
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
8:21 pm
getalife,
Whoooe I am so patriotic I turn red white and blue at stop lights.
My friends think for themselves so I don’t have to do it for them.
You got any other advice? I have. The BRAVES are ahead. Go watch ‘em.
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
8:23 pm
Gosh! I just can’t help myself. I know I need help. Forgive me!
Mick
August 31st, 2011
8:25 pm
dusty
Sorry, but I have to give the devil his due
at the end of his term, this country was through.
The next guy came and gets the blame;
but the people ain’t buying that game.
In the end what did we get?
more of the same,
just a different name…
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
8:25 pm
keep- A weird robot or another idiot cowboy? Probably….much like Clevon Little:
Just like him (except Clevon was funny and intelligent. Notice the lack of teleprompter).
I also want it noted I had nothing to do with the racial comments in the movie or it’s reference.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:26 pm
Does TX not have term limits? Wacky
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:29 pm
U know this fiasco is emblematic of obama’s managerial incompetence
Mick
August 31st, 2011
8:30 pm
jm
What’s even more wacky is that the legislature only convenes once every two years. That might have been OK 100 years ago but in today’s world – not too smart…
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:31 pm
Jay any guesses as to what happens next? I certainly haven’t the faintest idea…..
Mick
August 31st, 2011
8:32 pm
jm
You are creating a non issue, its another 14 months till the election, this repub debate is pretty insignificant at this point in political time, that’s a fact…
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:32 pm
Mick 8:30 agree on that point
You’d think every rational state would have term limits too
Ah TX
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:34 pm
Mick 8:32 it’s brinkmanship will be interesting to see how this plays out
And I wouldnt call any presidential debate insignificant
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
8:34 pm
Jm and the other neo-cons here, a question for you.
You do remember that the Republicans ran their entire 2010 campaign on creating jobs, correct? Their campaign slogan was actually “where are the jobs?”
Yet, they have again shown a miserable failure to follow through on their promises, correct?
And based on results this year they haven’t done squat to help American families find gainful employment.
So tell me exactly, what have they done in all of these months regarding jobs?
You don’t know?
Well, I do.
They’ve spent all of their time trying to repeal healthcare reform, defunding NPR and Planned Parenthood, abolishing Medicare and playing idiotic games with the debt limit.
NOTHING has been done by them regarding jobs.
Why not?
md
August 31st, 2011
8:35 pm
“Rightie Whities would just LUUUUUUUV for Hillary to challenge Obama, further divide the Dems, weaken whatever chance they have to retain the White House.”
Am I the only one that scratched my head on that one??
It wouldn’t be an either or vote in the general……………
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
8:35 pm
“U know this fiasco is emblematic of obama’s managerial incompetence”
Hang in there Jm, just 14 more months and you’ll be ’splainin’ why Dumbass #2, Little Rickie cain’t do no better.
In all honesty, I just cain’t wait! It’s gonna be so great to whip Little Rickie!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 31st, 2011
8:37 pm
Dusty,
You got nothing and will lose.
Tell your friends to show him some respect.
Be patriotic.
Well, I don’t know about anyone else but this sure sounds like No. 1 Foxy Lady to me. She’s what’s really at stake in this election. I can take four more years of Obama if I have to. I can even stand having Obamacare forced on me. But I can’t take that post that’s sure to come on the Wednesday following election night if Obama wins: “SUCK IT, LOSERS!”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
8:38 pm
Just like him (except Clevon was funny and intelligent. Notice the lack of teleprompter).
If you have to use “except….” then you what are you agreeing with? As for teleprompter, you believe that the actors did the movie in a straight shot without referring to scripts or without retakes… How silly but your hate must be expressed , right?
(And for the record, never claimed you are responsible for the content of the movie, its humor, its satire, or the reference).
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
8:39 pm
As per usual, the Righties strut around here like the “cocks of the walk.” Heck, just wait till we git in there. We’ll show you Lefties.
Well, Gosh! What about them 8 years you had just before Obama got into office?
No, wait! That’s different! We had a different dumbass in there. We’ve got a new dumbass now! You’ll see, he’ll do better than that other dumbass! You’ll see!
bookman parrot
August 31st, 2011
8:40 pm
Obama and cohorts… destroying America one day at a time.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
8:40 pm
You’d think every rational state would have term limits too
Term limits = elections.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
8:40 pm
Jm and the other neo-cons here, a question for you.
You do remember that the Republicans ran their entire 2010 campaign on creating jobs, correct? Their campaign slogan was actually “where are the jobs?”
Yet, they have again shown a miserable failure to follow through on their promises, correct?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXz5ZDrzX-w
Ring a bell???
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
8:42 pm
You’d think every rational state would have term limits too
Term limits are for states who are too damned lazy to get involved in the entire voting process.
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
8:45 pm
Very good, Mick
but
More of the same,
With the same name?
Let’s skip the blame.
And find a NEW name.
The mess made now
WAs done with “no how”.
Inexperience at best,
With bumbling next.
We might as well keep right on lookin’
And hope and wish that something’s cookin’!!
So let us proceed
To get whom we need.
md
August 31st, 2011
8:46 pm
“What’s even more wacky is that the legislature only convenes once every two years.”
Not too sure that isn’t a good idea…….keep the misfits out of DC? Might have merit.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:46 pm
HA! HA! and Triple HA!
“Even the eye simply materializes, fully formed, in the pre-Cambrian fossil record.”
“Intelligent design scientists look at the evidence and develop their theories; Darwinists start with a theory and then rearrange the evidence.”
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-31.html
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
8:47 pm
Yes, I know, this is decadence at it’s very core. (Record burnings and such!) But, what the heck, you only go around once . . .
md
August 31st, 2011
8:48 pm
“Hang in there Jm, just 14 more months and you’ll be ’splainin’ why Dumbass #2, Little Rickie cain’t do no better.”
Mighty kind Sooth to give the new guy what….a day?
Actually…..negative days………
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
8:49 pm
Not too sure that isn’t a good idea…….keep the misfits out of DC? Might have merit.
Screw that. They easily trump me in pay, and I have to have my ass at the airport 5 days a week, 52 weeks out of the year. I don’t think I’m getting my money’s worth from them. They have yet to pass the FY2012 budget, for starters. FY12 starts on 1Oct, so they don’t have much time to dilly dally around either. They campaigned for the job, so they’d better damn well do it.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:49 pm
Kammie:
O.K. How about this?
We need a law/Constitutional Amendment that prohibits someone from serving more than three terms in the Senate (ever) regardless of popular vote.
How’s that ?
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:50 pm
Sooth – you want ever hear me blindly defending perry if he is elected…..
md
August 31st, 2011
8:50 pm
soco……and we don’t pay them while they are not there………….
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
8:50 pm
Well if the Manteats in Black fancies himself a climatologist, it figurese that Mann Coulter. thinks she can even spell paleontology.
Maroons…
Jm
August 31st, 2011
8:50 pm
Want = won’t
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
8:52 pm
1811 turns to Ann Coulter as proof of intelligent design. Excuse me!
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
8:53 pm
soco……and we don’t pay them while they are not there………….
That makes it even worse. They’re paid $175k for half-assing a job, yet they wanna point the finger at me saying I’m government waste. BULLSH*T!!!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
8:55 pm
I hope the gop fails.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
8:55 pm
I don’t hold Congress in very high esteem right about now.
What! You’re not a 12 percenter! I thought everyone was!
Joe the Plutocrat
August 31st, 2011
8:56 pm
Scout, I’m gonna pre-emot Kam; we do have a law that limits Senate terms, it is called elections. this reminds me of the old SNL skit in which Tom Hanks has a half gallon of sour milk and he says; “hey, I think this milk is sour…” he sniff it, “..whew, it smells like rotten cheese…” then he drinks it and spits itout; “…it IS sour…. why don’t you try it to be sure it’s sour….” something like that. I don’t know which is more disturbing, the fact that we have the same politicians every cycle, or the fact that Americans believe they have “skin” in the election game?
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:56 pm
“New Gay Military Magazine Headed for Base Newsstands”
Well, there you go. The first article is about the “Fighting 69th” and how they never leave their “Buddy’s Behind” on the field of battle.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/new-gay-military-magazine-headed-for-base-newsstands/?test=latestnews
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
8:56 pm
“Sooth – you want ever hear me blindly defending perry if he is elected…..”
By that I assume you mean that you won’t ever hear me blindly defending perry if he is elected…..
And, for that, I laud you.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:57 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
“Macro-evolution” is a religion.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:57 pm
Plutocrat:
I hear you but if the American people want to improve on that …………. then they can.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
8:57 pm
“I hope the gop fails.”–GETALIFE
LOL!!
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:59 pm
Headling: “Obama’s timing for speech: Coincidence, cunning or crazy?”
None of the above.
Arrogant !
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
8:59 pm
“I hope the gop fails.”–GETALIFE
That’s a fair statement and so is “I hope Obama fails”.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:00 pm
We need a law/Constitutional Amendment that prohibits someone from serving more than three terms in the Senate (ever) regardless of popular vote.
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/reelect.php"Reelection rates in both houses of Congress is hovering at about 90%.
Whenever I hear someone whinging about term limits, it always someone elses congress critter they are cry babying about.
Campaign finance reform is the silver bullet.
But just like term limits, the very people it will effect must change the status quo.
Ain’t happening.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
9:00 pm
What! You’re not a 12 percenter! I thought everyone was!
I’ve been called many things, but never a 12 percenter. I’ve even known 5 percenters and met some 1 percenters…
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:00 pm
“Macro-evolution” is a religion.
There’s some “science” you can have faith in then, 1811.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:00 pm
Oops dropped the link.
http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/reelect.php
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
9:01 pm
Campaign finance reform is the silver bullet.
But just like term limits, the very people it will effect must change the status quo.
Ain’t happening.
AMEN!!!!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
9:02 pm
Scout’s homophobia is on the rise…… wait till he tells us how funny his joke was about the 1st article…..
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:02 pm
Twelve percenters are special. They approve of Congress.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:04 pm
Fighting back is not arrogant.
It’s the 12 Presidential elections.
Stop crying.
Disgusted
August 31st, 2011
9:04 pm
Sooth – you want ever hear me blindly defending perry if he is elected…..”
Oh, bull hockey! I never read one word of criticism of W from any of you conservatives in all the years I was on Wooten’s and Bookman’s blogs. We even had Dusty reproaching us for disrespecting the office of President of the United States if we uttered so much as a word of criticism. If, by some cruel fate, Perry is ever elected president, ol’ jm will be silent as the proverbial church mouse, whatever the transgressions and depredations Perry will have committed. The only exception will be jm and friends’s stepping in to defend any blatant act of favoritism toward the wealthy and the well-connected.
Go sell that impartial act somewhere else, jm. I’ve already seen the game played.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:06 pm
“Fighting back is not arrogant.
It’s the 12 Presidential elections.
Stop crying.”–GETALIFE
LOL!!
GETALIFE is on a roll, as usual, tonight!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:07 pm
Time to take off your diapers and put on your big boy pants cons.
The President has unlimited donations to crush you this time.
You wanted it so here it comes.
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
9:07 pm
Well, well,
The Democrats got the president they were crazy for and what do we hear? Gripe, gripe and the Repubs are not doing their job.
The president is not doing his job.
He is a Democrat.
He is SUPPOSED to be the leader.
He is not performing well.
You Dems got what you wanted. We, the Republicans, got what we did not want. So we listen while you gripe. We watch while he stumbles.
It is no fun to watch and not what we want for the country But do not blame Republicans. We did not put him in office.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:08 pm
I don’t recall ever seeing Dusty pop in and chastise anyone for posting anything derogatory about President Obama. Her silence in such cases in most telling.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:10 pm
Did Dusty break the head off of her Bush Ken doll. She sure has been showing up here a lot lately.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:10 pm
Solar company touted by Obama closing — despite $535 million from feds…
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Solyndra-Shutting-Down-128802718.html
tick tock, tick tock…
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
9:10 pm
Ann Colture claims Bill Clinton is a homosexual…………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmZjswucms
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:11 pm
GETALIFE is on a roll, as usual, tonight!
Onion roll?
Kaiser roll?
Potato roll?
Parker house roll?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:12 pm
Kamchak,
If getalife comes back as says “bite me” it’s your fault.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
9:12 pm
You Dems got what you wanted. We, the Republicans, got what we did not want. So we listen while you gripe. We watch while he stumbles.
It is no fun to watch and not what we want for the country But do not blame Republicans. We did not put him in office.
All in all, had we put another GOP president into office, who’s to say we’d be any different now. With the aversion to spending, there’s a chance we’d be much worse off economically if that GOP didn’t have the cojones to step in and stop the economy from nose diving into the concrete sidewalk.
It’s all a game of woulda… coulda… shoulda… and ifs.. As the old saying goes, if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass every time he hopped.
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
9:14 pm
And who would have thought Get was political?!?!
Get = the coolade king!!!
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
9:14 pm
TIme for me to hit the kill switch for the evenin’
Catch y’all later..
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:14 pm
If getalife comes back as says “bite me” it’s your fault.
(heh, heh, heh) I can own that.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:15 pm
He is center right like our country.
Did you think he was a lib?
Gotcha.
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
9:15 pm
Soooo Get…… Money buys the presidency???
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:15 pm
“Onion roll?Kaiser roll?Potato roll?Parker house roll?”
They all work well to cover up the taste of that WELFARE CHEESE!
double
August 31st, 2011
9:17 pm
His war Lybia.Got support-Low cost-No American lives lost-You gonna improve on that.5 more years to overcome his inheritance.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:17 pm
“Soooo Get…… Money buys the presidency???”
Have you been living under a rock?
Those with the money make the rules.
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
9:17 pm
All hail Disgusted!
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:17 pm
They all work well to cover up the taste of that WELFARE CHEESE!
Wouldn’t know.
Lactose intolerant.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:18 pm
If McCain had been elected, Phil Gramm would be calling the shots with the economy and Sarah Palin would have had her trigger finger on the red button. If that doesn’t scare the crap out of ya and make you start looking forward to that Rapture thingy…
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:18 pm
“Soooo Get…… Money buys the presidency???”
Especially All of those CORPORATE donations!!
Yeah, Baby!
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:19 pm
USMC:
In West Virginia they call it “Relief”.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:19 pm
“Wouldn’t know.”
Yaeh, but “Get” knows how to dress up that WELFARE CHEESE!
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
9:19 pm
You know, sometimes I’d like to bend Ann Coulter over and . . . Jay won’t let me say the rest! You’ll just have to ‘magine it!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:20 pm
citizen united corruption.
You cheered it on cons so don’t go crying now you hear?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 31st, 2011
9:20 pm
Scout, I believe Article V kinda nipped that one (the American people…) in the bud. no politico is going to introduce legislation to limit his terms. it’s like when they vote themselves raises, or benefits, or pensions.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:21 pm
Sooth wants to imitate a Republican and spank Ann Coulter. Is that it?
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:22 pm
You know, sometimes I’d like to bend Ann Coulter over and . . . Jay won’t let me say the rest! You’ll just have to ‘magine it!
Brother, I wouldna’ told that!
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
9:23 pm
Disgusted,
Yes,I did get after the sqawkers and reprobates for being mean spirited about Presidnet Bush. It was all about the propaganda campaign against Bush AFTER he was elected..
You mentioned a “few words of criticisn” about Bush.. That’s a joke. Democrats started as soon as Bush was elected with every kind of lie, insinuation, insult, record changing, family invasion, voter error claims, only for oil, only for father along with protest mobs at his vacation home in Crawford, Texas, while we were fighting a war. When Bush choked on a pretzel, it was made into a great debacle of human failure. The Democrats instigated the lowest forms of peopaganda they could find.
You can cut out your great claims about taking revenge. Your party has already gotten as low as politics can get. Don’t try to get any lower. It is not possible.
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
9:23 pm
Well, it’s time for old Soothsayer to check out for the evening. You Righties can come out from your hiding places now. I hope you enjoy this one!
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
9:23 pm
When it comes to delusions Get leads the field!
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
9:24 pm
Boehner told Obama he can’t have the chamber on wednesday, he’ll have to reschedule.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:24 pm
Oooops !
“Gallup: Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women”
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
9:24 pm
I see that the Dems are propping up their straw men arguments to knock em down. They got a black caucus member from Indy talking about the tea party and lynchings. Maxine Waters calling tea partyers terrorists. Sheesh. The bizarro left gets stranger every day. They so wacky.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:25 pm
Mighty Righty:
He can have the chamber pot.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:25 pm
If only Bush had figured out how to use a teleprompter, the Dems could have ribbed him for that too.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:25 pm
“When it comes to delusions Get leads the field!”
And here I thought LSD went out in the 60’s and 70’s
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
9:26 pm
“Gallup: Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women”- scout
scout
Aint nothin that a nice new govt program cant fix.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:28 pm
” ‘Chaz Bono stole my thunder’: Pregnant man claims Cher’s son took his spot on Dancing With The Stars”
Ah ……………………………………… nevermnd.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:28 pm
Thulsa:
Time will tell. Time will tell.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
9:28 pm
Poo,
My money is on Ann Coulter. I think she would whuppp your azz!
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:29 pm
Let’s hope “Recovery summer Part II” is over and Fall brings better news…
SUMMER BUMMER: Stocks Log Worst August in 10 Years…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44340676
Obama Loses in 2012!……… tick tock, tick tock, tick tock
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
9:31 pm
With all the hoopla over Rick Perry it seems that Mitt Romney is a forgotten man so I figured I would drum up a Mitt Romney poll.
My poll question is this-
Do leftists hate Mormons
A- As much as other Christians
B- Less than other Christians
C- Hate all Christians about the same.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:31 pm
More “class warfare”:
“UNIONTOWN (KDKA) — “Police in Fayette County are looking for a well-dressed burglar.”
“The man, wearing a suit, collared shirt and a tie, climbed on top of the counter at the Family Dollar on Gallatin Avenue in Uniontown on Sunday to search the register.
When he realized it was empty, he grabbed some pennies off the counter and took off.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4-vaG-hWto
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:32 pm
POVERTY IN PARADISE: Joblessness in some parts of Vegas exceeds 20%…
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/56d4b27c-c9b3-11e0-b88b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1WeTXPQoB
It’s the Economy STUPID!
luangtom
August 31st, 2011
9:34 pm
Wonder if President Obama utilized the “sage” that is his uncle in the Boston jail-cell? Maybe he wrote the teleprompter speech that Obama will read to the Congress. This is getting to the point of outrageous. A sitting President that has to upstage all others to be in front of the cameras once again. How much longer is the voting-public going to tolerate this?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:35 pm
Joblessness in some parts of Vegas exceeds 20%…
Just not a big demand for unemployed gamblers, I suppose.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
9:37 pm
My other poll results are in and the results regarding whether or not the poo could forcibly bend Ann Coulter over go like this
60% believe Ann Coulter would whupp Poo’s azz
38% think Ann would not only turn the tables but do unmentionable things that to the poo that Jay won’t allow us to mention
2% think it would be a draw
And one person- Keep up is the lone poll respondent who thinks Poo could take her
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
9:37 pm
I think she would whuppp your azz!
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I would even deign to allow her to be in my presence.
ODD OWL
August 31st, 2011
9:37 pm
President Obama should scrap his jobs proposal… As Bush/Cheney’s Sect. of labor Elaine Chou said; “Its not the responsibility of the Bush Admin. or the Federal Government to create jobs.” She went on to say that jobs are created by the private sector and if unemployed Americans needed a job, they should create one for themselves. So why the double standards for President Obama ??? The private sector is hording $3 trillion dollars and are refusing to invest it and create jobs. All Federal legislation must be introduced in the House of Rep.. Johnnie “one note” Boehner and the Republicans are in the majority in the House. It is their duty and responsibility to introduced a jobs bill, not the President. Boehner and the Republicans campaign slogan in 2010 before the midtern elections were jobs, jobs, jobs. We the People must hold their feet to the fire and force them to introduce a massive $5 trillion dollars jobs bill on the floor of the House. President Obama, the master of the predator drone have his hands full handling global affairs, foreign policy, national security and fighting the wars against foreign and domestic terrorism. Johnnie “one note” Boehner, mean Mitch McConnell, Eric “pretty boy” Cantor and the Republicans need to step up to the plate and handle their business.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:37 pm
More “class warfare”:
Yep, another ex-Lehman Brothers employee robbing a Family Dollar store, 1811.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
9:38 pm
Jay is gonna be PO’d I think
Conservatives be on good behavior
Jay may be on the warpath after the boehner response
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:40 pm
OBAMA CAVES IN AND MOVES SPEECH TO SEPT 8th!
Who is running the White House???
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:41 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia @ 9:35:
That was pretty weak.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
9:41 pm
So Obama has 2 illegal aliens running around illegally- an aunt who has been here something like 17 years and a drunk uncle driving around getting DUIs. Didn’t Obama write a book titled dreams of my father- a worthless drunk who abandoned his family, I think he killed a man driving drunk, and if I’m not mistaken didn’t he die a drunk when he crashed his car into a tree? I reckon his uncle is just picking up where dad left off.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:42 pm
USMC:
Good. Most people will be watching college football.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
9:42 pm
I would be all for an infrastructure bank if there wasn’t already a perfectly good (and better) way to pay for infrastructure where it’s needed
The states
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:43 pm
Thulsa:
Be very, very careful. Jay put all of my comments like that in moderation yesterday. Wouldn’t leave them posted.
Guess I struck a sore point.
Wonder if Jay has illegal alien relatives here ?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:44 pm
Do leftists hate Mormons
A- As much as other Christians
B- Less than other Christians
C- Hate all Christians about the same.
And it seems like only yesterday that “righties” rejected Romney.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
9:44 pm
USMC yep
Jay, PO’d stay good
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
9:45 pm
That was pretty weak.
It’s all relative.
ODD OWL
August 31st, 2011
9:46 pm
The stock market is back in positive territory for the year… The overall market is up about 3000 points since President Obama took office. The tea party Republican’s debt ceiling, terrorist attack against our financial markets was unsucessful.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
9:47 pm
Doom 9:41 that’s a pretty awful thing to say…..
A lot of potus’s have renegade siblings
Carter Clinton TR (drunk brother), get past that
Obama has his own liabilities, no need to bring family into it even if Dems do
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:48 pm
“Labor Secretary Hilda Solis has overseen a number of signed agreements between U.S. agencies and foreign officials pledging to give migrant workers the full protections of U.S. workplace laws — regardless of their legal status — and she says her department will uphold them.
“No matter how you got here or how long you plan to stay, you have certain rights,” Solis said ……”
……………… and one of the is NOT the right to work.
When U.S. officials choose which laws to enforce and which not to based on political considerations ……….. our Constitution has been prostituted.
Disgusting.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/31/labor-department-agreements-protect-illegal-workers/#ixzz1Wf3ja5D6
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:48 pm
He set him up to be the first speaker to put off a crisis for a con debate.
Chess not checkers cons.
You are playing with the big boys and don’t stand a chance.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:48 pm
“Jay is gonna be PO’d I think
Conservatives be on good behavior
Jay may be on the warpath after the boehner response”
Always the wise one to keep the peace, JM
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
9:49 pm
Scout, glad you are for the prosecution of Bush and Cheney for their war crimes!
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:50 pm
“He set him up to be the first speaker to put off a crisis for a con debate.
Chess not checkers cons.
You are playing with the big boys and don’t stand a chance.”–Getalife
Don’t Bogart that joint, my friend….
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:51 pm
Good Fight!
I say let ‘er rip.
And Obama is next.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
9:51 pm
Doom, I’m not sure that emaciated witch/anti-Semite with the Adam’s apple could beat Dusty’s ancient ass!
As for Christian bashers, take it up with the corporal. There was some discussion today (I was not involved) about which denominations he abhors the most. I’m thinking it’s those “Mennonite weenies” he bashed the other day…
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:51 pm
USMC:
I think getalife is a teenager.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
9:51 pm
USMC WH looks inept. No need to rub it in. Let the facts speak for themselves……
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:52 pm
AmVet:
I told Bosch it was the “snakehandlers”. Where have you been ?
It’s illegal in all but one state.
Do you know which one ?
USMC
August 31st, 2011
9:55 pm
“Scout, glad you are for the prosecution of Bush and Cheney for their war crimes!”
LOL! War crimes???? LOL!
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
9:55 pm
1811 — understand —–the purpose of the speech is NOT to come up with some NEW walk-on-water plan for the economy; the purpose is to set the stage for blaming the Republicans for not co-operating with the great Obama and thus not ending the recession. IT IS PURE POLITICS for the 2012 election—–thats all!!!
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
9:55 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
Don’t get your pantaloons in a wedgie
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Josef: Do pantaloons require batteries? I know, you know.
Dusty
August 31st, 2011
9:56 pm
Keep,
There were NO war crimes committed by Bush and Cheney. Too bad you have to waste energy on a lost cause.
But….THE BRAVES WON AND THEIR PITCHER HIT A HOMER!! 3 to 1 it was.
I leave here happily for a good night’s sleep.
lynnie gal
August 31st, 2011
9:56 pm
Well, I guess your answer, Jay, is NO, Obama is not getting more assertive with Republicans. He caved tonight, as usual, and is rescheduling his speech. The capitulator in chief loses to Republicans yet again. I guess next he’ll be on his knees begging them to act like human beings once Congress gets back. Tough luck, though, because these people aren’t human beings. They’re heartless corporate zombies.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
9:56 pm
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
9:51 pm
USMC:
I think getalife is a teenager.
++++++++++++++++++
Nah, younger, at least developmentally.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
9:57 pm
thanks- Sarah Palin would have had her trigger finger on the red button.
That would have been terrible. Good thing obama got elected so we didn’t get involved in any more wars…
getalife
August 31st, 2011
9:58 pm
oldguy got it right.
Our President is setting up the gop to fail.
Not hard to do when you think about it.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:00 pm
Got obl, crushed aq, won Libya, ending the occupations.
He dominates foreign policy debate and set up the gop on jobs.
Check mate.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
10:01 pm
Dusty, how cute. You’re entitled to your opinion but that don’t make it fact in any world.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:01 pm
Well, I don’t know, and maybe this is too harsh, but: DUMB A$$…
Obama Labor Boss Buys Canadian-Built Car
Says purchase was to show support for American workers
To show her support for American workers, President Obama’s labor secretary, Hilda Solis, has junked the standard black limo and purchased a new Chevrolet Equinox to ride around Washington in. The problem: the crossover SUV is built and assembled in Canada from parts also made in Canada.
Solis proudly arrived at a media breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor today in the shiny silver vehicle, which she has dubbed the “bullet.” She was asked about why she traded the standard-issue limo for the SUV. “What better example could I set if I encouraged my staff to go and purchase and seek how we could acquire a vehicle that would for me would send a signal that we’re for supporting our American workers, American-made products, fuel efficient as well,” she told the Monitor’s Dave Cook, who provided this video of her answer.
Solis added that she was inspired to buy the Chevy because of the pride she saw in American auto workers during trips to U.S. car and truck plants. She said that she was wowed by “the pride that they take making our automobiles here in America.”
The car is made at two Canadian plants and has been so popular that General Motors has been hiring more workers in Canada to keep up with demand. [See who's in Obama's inner circle.]
A company official noted that the profits do come back to the United States.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:01 pm
“USMC WH looks inept. No need to rub it in. Let the facts speak for themselves……”-JM
Agreed, but think about it. The WH has been scheming for weeks on the particulars of this VERY important speech.
Then the WH strategically schedules the speech to some how deflate the Republican debate which has been scheduled since JUNE 2011, which is a cheap shot at best.
Now OBAMA backs down and has to reschedule his speech. (can you say b*tch slap?)
Is Obama even concerned about the Economy??? Unbelievable.
Soothsayer
August 31st, 2011
10:01 pm
Heck! I couldn’t sleep so I thought I would post this one for Thulsa Doom!
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:02 pm
Thusla- Do leftists hate Mormons
I vote for B. The only religion they like is Muslim because we don’t want to offend them.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
10:03 pm
old guy @ 9:59
Exaclty.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:03 pm
Thank goodness that the 9:58 and 10:00 loser gets a RX refill tomorrow.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
10:03 pm
Corporal, I don’t want to empower you Christian bashers and ardent followers and quoters of anti-Semites.
What did the Mennonites ever do to you?
And I just love this neo-con tripe about Libya being a war.
The Cheney chickenhawks are just p*ssed that BHO hasn’t gotten thousands of GI’s KIA’d needlessly in an utterly botched invasion and occupation like their hero did.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:05 pm
“Our President is setting up the gop to fail.”-GETALIFE
Yes, he is so concerned with CHICAGOLAND politics that he isn’t even concerned about the ECONOMY.
OBAMA = WEAK (non)LEADER
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:06 pm
They will call this one early.
The President wins easily again.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:06 pm
USMC yeah it looks dumb
Then again at least Obama behaved like a sane person and didn’t escalate this issue after his idiot WH hacks tried to play stupid games and got shut down
U do have to wonder if the WH pols do really care about the economy
I’m sure the policy people do, the hacks not so much
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:07 pm
thanks- Sarah Palin would have had her trigger finger on the red button.
+++++++++++++++++++
Call it what you want…her finger on “it” is better than his
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:08 pm
Ed show moron says Obama moving date is an Obama win
What a joke, his vitriol and hate makes libs look classless, cause they are
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
10:08 pm
getalife, to your point at 10:00, it’s pretty simple.
If you want to see thousands and thousands of GI’s slaughtered and maimed for no reason, vote con.
Support the Troops – Vote against Republicans.
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
10:09 pm
USMC – See my previous post (9:55). It has nothing to do with the economy…..its pure politics and political manouvering!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:10 pm
It is a win.
He set them up.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:12 pm
Am vet come on man
Most troops ever died in Afghanistan died this month
The reality is either the turkeys at the top just listen to their advisors and are clueless, or it’s the right policy whether it’s a D or R
Relax
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:12 pm
AmVet,
I noticed France was not dumb enough to break it, so they own it.
No occupations for the smart people.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:12 pm
“It is a win. He set them up.”–Getalife
LOL!!! this is better than alcohol and a good cigar.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:13 pm
Ed show moron says Obama moving date is an Obama win
+++++++++++++++
Don’t know of an “Ed show”, but it would show Moochelle is missing a pair of panties.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:13 pm
Getalife he looks weak. Play with your Teddy bear
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:14 pm
Donald trump on FOX. He’s just a complete moron…..
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:15 pm
getalife- He dominates foreign policy debate
Name one foreign leader/dictator that hasn’t talked down to obama like he was a little school girl? I’ll wait for your reply.
marc
August 31st, 2011
10:15 pm
I’ve spent 3 years defending the President of the United States…from religious bigots (he’s a damn Muslim)….from morons (he’s not even an American)…and from racist….most of all racist…..all conservatives..driven by a Fox News agenda that will say anything to make our President look bad….the President of the United States. Our President. And you people have all went along for the ride in the name of Party Politics…….and you like to call yourselves “Great Americans”. You’re not.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
10:15 pm
Jm, yep the Uppity Muslim, Socialist, Marxist, Fascist, Kenyan Without a Birth certificate punked you soft on defense cons at your own game.
And up until the exact moment that there is another person with an R after his name in the White House, you suddenly war weary cons will be cut and runners.
Why are you so opposed to our national security. Did you want to wait for regime change until the smoking gun was a mushroom cloud?
LOL…
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:15 pm
Your speaker is the first to refuse a Presidential request to address a crisis for a gop debate.
That is your losing position.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:16 pm
Hey Paulie, go to bed loser. You are just like your boy “dumba$$”. CLUELESS!!!
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:16 pm
Where are those signs with the body counts? Seems they were taken down after boa,a elected
Those hacks just reveal themselves to be partisan tools
Jay should think about keeping up with the body count still if he’s true to his principles
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:17 pm
“Name one foreign leader/dictator that hasn’t talked down to obama like he was a little school girl? I’ll wait for your reply.”
They LAUGH behind his back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1C_NWMRs8Q
oldguy
August 31st, 2011
10:17 pm
Get, look closely , I think Obo just saved us from another earthquake!!!
(pass the single malt please!).
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:18 pm
And it shows the President tried to work with the gop again but was refused again.
A win win.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:19 pm
I’m out, quaking in fear, that Paulie will call Jay at home and report the harsh treatment has boomeranged, thus making it unfair.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:19 pm
Well said marc.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:20 pm
A win win.
+++++++++++
Did I already write: DUMBA$$ ?
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
10:21 pm
Hey Paulie, go to bed loser. You are just like your boy “dumba$$”. CLUELESS!!!
Uncle Jed
Red card?
Or yellow?
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:21 pm
Jay, sorry obama’s not a bad guy
Just has some bad people and he’s a little misdirected himself in my opinion
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:21 pm
“Your speaker is the first to refuse a Presidential request to address a crisis for a gop debate.”
OBAMA decided to go on vacation, in MARTHA’s (rich people’s) VINEYARD instead of addressing the “crisis” during the worst August for stocks in 10 years, and the Republican debate has been scheduled since JUNE!
LOL!
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:21 pm
Melt down.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:22 pm
AT&T tmobile stoppage
I think I agree with Obama on this move
I know libs fainting
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:23 pm
“(pass the single malt please!).”
More like Olde English 800 or MD 20/20
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
10:24 pm
marc,
We don’t have to say much to make him look bad. He does a pretty good job of that all by himself.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
10:25 pm
“Name one foreign leader/dictator that hasn’t talked down to obama like he was a little school girl?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:25 pm
Playing hardball politics to fire up the base.
Get use to it.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:26 pm
getalife- Your speaker is the first to refuse a Presidential request to address a crisis for a gop debate
It’s a shame the way this “crisis” snuck up on us all of a sudden. If it’s soooo important why does he talk tomorrow? Shouldn’t be a big deal for the great orator…
RW-(the original)
August 31st, 2011
10:28 pm
I thought Obama’s moving date was 1/20/2013
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:28 pm
I wish cox would stop showing the stupid Mercedes e-class ads next to this comment box
Means they’ve been tracking me………
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:29 pm
Rw
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:29 pm
jm,
Do you take meds?
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:29 pm
“It’s a shame the way this “crisis” snuck up on us all of a sudden. If it’s soooo important why does he talk tomorrow? Shouldn’t be a big deal for the great orator…”
Because he just got home from Martha’s Vineyard and needs to clean his golf clubs.
(well I guess Cheeves can do that)
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
10:30 pm
jm,
My son is the senior vice president for strategic planning for AT&T. We had a long conversation today and there is a lot about this whole merger that is not being outed. Some of it has to do with areas of coverage, some has to do with wireless territories that neither cover and most of it has to do with a very stubborn DOJ who, because they didn’t get their way with AT&T the last time merger talks were held, are putting a stick in the eye of the offender. It has nothing to do with rates, which is often the reason why government says they intervene. It has everything to do with getting back at someone who beat you before.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:30 pm
marc/getalife- you like to call yourselves “Great Americans”.
Hillary said it’s our right to disagree. I guess those four other anti-American fingers are pointing back at you.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
10:30 pm
I wish cox would stop showing the stupid Mercedes e-class ads…
What ads?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:32 pm
kay,
BS.
They stopped it because the rates would increase. I agree with ending this merger.
Consumer protection you cons hate.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
10:34 pm
AmVet, great clip! How appropriate!
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:35 pm
“I wish cox would stop showing the stupid Mercedes e-class ads next to this comment box”
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL car! Mercedes has really turned the tide with the new E-Class.
Chrysler took a toll on Mercedes quality last decade. Mercedes quality went way down and Chrysler’s quality went way up. Funny.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:35 pm
getalife- Playing hardball politics to fire up the base
Nothing says hardball like picking a date for your “great earth changing speech” to solve our “crisis” then changing to a later date.
PS: I’d stay away from baseball quotes when talking about the president. Saying he throws like a girl is an insult to females everywhere.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:37 pm
I think jm might be whacked out on ice and seeing things.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
10:37 pm
getalife,
You know not of what you speak. Rates cannot be increased without FCC approval. If one company enters a zone where there is no competition from another company, the FCC mandates that the dominant company sell part of that territory to the competitor or let the competitor use already installed equipment, ie land lines. They are forced to do this to avoid a monopoly by a larger competitor. It has nothing to do with “cons”. Is that all you think about?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:39 pm
kay,
Your son does not work there.
Do you even have a son?
I don’t believe a word you say.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:40 pm
USMC- Chrysler took a toll on Mercedes quality last decade. Mercedes quality went way down and Chrysler’s quality went way up.
???? Daimler did nothing for Chrysler. I had high hopes but it never was a good fit.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:40 pm
Kayaker71 I totally believe that
And I believe the merger would have benefits
But I also believe the more competition the better
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:42 pm
Usmc yeah I like te new one
But every new version takes me a few months to get used to
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
10:42 pm
getalife,
You are indeed the pinnacle of ignorance. Believe what you will. I have never told a lie on this blog and now is not the time start. You must be a very angry adolescent who thrives on making yourself look stupid. You are succeeding, young man, you are succeeding.
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
10:42 pm
“My son is the senior vice president for strategic planning for AT&T.” Cool man, I wonder if my son the President of Verizon knows your son?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:44 pm
My son is the President of la la land.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:45 pm
Getalife I’m not ignoring u, u crack me up
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:45 pm
getalife-
Still waiting for that list of foreign policy debates obama has “owned”. Time to put on your big girl panties…
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:45 pm
“???? Daimler did nothing for Chrysler. I had high hopes but it never was a good fit.”
I agree. It was a bad fit. BUT…
Daimler started using parts for the Chrysler product. ex: the Chrylser 300 and others were fitted with Daimler transmissions, etc. increasing the quality of Chrysler autos. HOWEVER, Mercedes Legendary quality took a HUGE hit.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
10:46 pm
I used to date Morgan Fairchild.
Yeah, that’s the ticket.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:47 pm
jk,
Well you will have to wait for the general silly.
He will win the debates easily like last time.
No contest.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
10:47 pm
jm,
Most corporate mergers look to enhance both parties. T-Mobile has some of the best wireless technology on the market but needs territory. AT&T has lots of territory but needs wireless enhancement. A lot of people are afraid of large corporate monopoly like the old AT&T but with all of the FCC regulations on their operations, there is little fear of any telecommunications company dominating the market. Both of them seem to think that it would give better service to their customers.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:47 pm
“My son is the President of la la land.”–GETALIFE
Do you think you can get my uncle a Green Card?
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:47 pm
Getalife is 17 and probably currently drunk
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:49 pm
Yeah, jm drives a new Mercedes too.
How many of you buy that lie?
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:52 pm
Getalife I don’t drive a new Mercedes
Sold my e class in 2003. Drive a prius
If MB will sell their diesel electric hybrid here I would buy one
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:53 pm
RW-(the original)
August 31st, 2011
10:28 pm
I thought Obama’s moving date was 1/20/2013
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
By golly, that there is tonight’s winner…ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:53 pm
“Drive a prius”
Uh huh, sure you do.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
10:53 pm
How very strategic…to tell you the “problems” and then you post them on a public website. I bet the ATT attorneys working the merger approval request through the DOJ will just love that.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:53 pm
getalife- No contest.
Libs getting schooled.
Only months until obama moves his chair from the corner back to Chicago.
I’ll be lurking until some fresh meat arrives.
moveon.org, nothing to see here Demwits…
USMC
August 31st, 2011
10:54 pm
“How many of you buy that lie?”–GETALIFE
Let that HATE go from your heart Getalife. You are privileged enough to live in a GREAT Capitalist country where you are free to go out and earn as much money as your little heart desires.
Why would JM lie? He gives you and your Marxist bretheren a class in economics every day here on Bookman’s blog.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
10:55 pm
Getalife is 17 and probably currently drunk
+++++++++++
…and drooling over Kardashian photos in People
really now zzzzzzzzzzz
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:55 pm
Me too jk.
Back to lurking until fresh meat arrives.
These cons are not capable of writing the truth.
“Adios mofos” perry.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:56 pm
There will be a part of me that will be sad to see Obama go. So much potential. Lost and wasted.
But obviously for the best assuming R’s but up someone 1/2 decent
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
10:56 pm
I drove a Lamborghini.
Didn’t like it, so I gave it to my upstairs maid.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
10:56 pm
keep,
All common knowledge, known to both parties and to the DOJ. I am not told any information that is considered confidential and even if I was I would not post it publicly.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
10:57 pm
“I drove a Lamborghini.
Didn’t like it, so I gave it to my upstairs maid.”
Hilarious.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
10:57 pm
Hey dawg fans, how bad do you expect them to get torn apart this weekend?
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
10:58 pm
keep- the DOJ will just love that.
Sure eric holder stays up all night reading Bookman’s column in hope of finding tips.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
10:58 pm
Enter your comments here
Jm
August 31st, 2011
10:58 pm
Kam
that was nice of u
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:00 pm
“There will be a part of me that will be sad to see Obama go. So much potential. Lost and wasted.”
He was not qualified to be President in the first place and in WAY over his head from the beginning.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 31st, 2011
11:00 pm
JKL… perhaps you need to work on comprehension 101 before you misquote me.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
11:00 pm
getalife- Back to lurking until fresh meat arrives
Does that mean you couldn’t find your big girl panties? Are you going to the store for some Depends now?
Mick
August 31st, 2011
11:01 pm
Sorry everybody, but reading through the last couple pages of posts has left me uncomfortably numb whilst accidently hitting the submit button and becoming numero uno..roger out…
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:01 pm
Money ball
How awesome and so American
Libs not allowed to see the movie. Might corrupt their minds
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
11:02 pm
Bozo is the best thing to happen to this country in the last 100yrs. He has awakened those that care about this country to the fact that we could go down if we continue on the way we are going. He has prompted people to take an active interest in politics and to defend their beliefs when they were ambivalent at best. He has given us a whole new sense of purpose. Look at last November. We can thank him for showing us how really bad a president can be. For that we can be forever grateful.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:03 pm
USMC 11 agree
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
11:04 pm
-I drove a Lamborghini.
I actually sold mine before moving down here to Georgia. Feel free to call me a liar too, but it’s still the truth. It does ride rough until you get it up to speed and it gets some air underneath it.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:05 pm
Kayaker
If he was pulling a Clinton and doing the modern equivalent of welfare reform I think it would be a different story
But he’s so damn liberal he won’t consider anything of the sort
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:07 pm
USMC 11 agree
JM, I know why you voted for Obama and know your intentions and reasoning were honorable.
But facts are facts… and Obama has proven what we all didn’t want to believe.
(Unqualified to be POTUS and in WAY over his head)
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
11:08 pm
jm,
One of his greatest legacies could have been the healing of race relations in this country. He had a golden opportunity to step up to the plate and lead us into a better country racially. He was more interested in transforming us into his own image. Sad that the first black president could have been such a disappointment.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:08 pm
Usmc yep
On to brighter days ahead.
Btw. Dick Cheney. Bad ass. I think he must drink dos equis
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:10 pm
Kayaker71@ 11:02
Well said! There is definitely a blessing(not intended to offend the Athiest and Marxists on this Blog) in the whole MESS.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
11:10 pm
Outta here….. save the TaTas, one of God’s most beautiful creations.
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
11:11 pm
It does ride rough until you get it up to speed and it gets some air underneath it.
Funny.
The same thing happens with my Learjet 45.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:12 pm
Kayaker yeah there is that
And without a much of a record and a vacuous campaign platform and theme I think people plastered onto him their own positions
I think I made that mistake. Even though I loved McCain as well. Respect the he’ll out of that guy. He was tea party before tea party was cool. He’s been fighting corruption and earmarks and waste his whole life
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:12 pm
“Btw. Dick Cheney. Bad ass. I think he must drink dos equis”
Yeah, unfortunately I think Dick Cheney is on his death bed and “spewing” dirty laundry in his book… sad.
JKL2
August 31st, 2011
11:14 pm
Jm- Btw. Dick Cheney. Bad ass
Dick Cheney was Chuck Norris’ sensei.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
11:15 pm
AmVet @ 10:03
Ah …………………………… sonar to bridge; sonar to bridge.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:15 pm
Kam 11:11
Hope you get it serviced often
Those things are dangerous in the wrong hands
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:16 pm
“One of his greatest legacies could have been the healing of race relations in this country. He had a golden opportunity to step up to the plate and lead us into a better country racially. He was more interested in transforming us into his own image. Sad that the first black president could have been such a disappointment.
Simply put, Obama is blinded by Marxist/Socialist political philosophy AND his own Narcissism.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
11:16 pm
USMC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3krjPWs_7E&feature=related
“Get Some !”
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:17 pm
Scout murder at 1600 on TNT
U probably laugh at that stuff though
Kinda like I laugh at Yankees doing a southern accent after they watch Forrest gump
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:18 pm
“Ah …………………………… sonar to bridge; sonar to bridge.”
LOL!
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:19 pm
Usmc you may be right. Or that new technology he’s got may mean he’s around for a lot longer…..
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
11:19 pm
Hope you get it serviced often
Giving it to the downstairs maid tomorrow.
Too bourgeois.
Good Little Liberal
August 31st, 2011
11:21 pm
JKL2
Sounds like you had a Countach. Rides like a truck and the one I drove didn’t have a seat that would slide back far enough to be comfortable and I’m not that tall. The Diablo is quite a bit more refined.
Personally Lambos are crude and rude and while the Countach is faster than all but the most expensive Ferraris, Ferraris win hands down in every way. I was able to use a 360 C for a little while (about a month) and I would have put it up against the fastest Lambo anywhere. Of course it was a race car with mufflers, but I sure had fun taking it through the Brookwood. The Gs going through that hairpin were just damned painful.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:21 pm
Hey Scout, What’s going on Teufel Hunden!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 31st, 2011
11:21 pm
It is really sad when the leader of the free world has to stoop to a cheap political stunt to get his country to pay any attention to him.
He just keeps devolving day after day after day.
/drive bye bye!
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
11:25 pm
kamchak…..Sorry I’m late. We, my hot babe, and I just landed at PDK in my brand new Citation.
As soon as my batman brings my Aston Martin around (got some of that blue JW) we’ll be there.
USMC
August 31st, 2011
11:25 pm
GLL @ 11:21
Yeah Ferraris are nice, but I like a stock Porsche 911… The Germans, well what can I say?
(both are nice)
Good Little Liberal
August 31st, 2011
11:30 pm
USMC
A Porsche 911S was the first semi-exotic I ever owned. Great car. I didn’t live in Atlanta when I had it, but I drove it there a few times. It was taken out by a little old lady driving a Lincoln MarkIV. I’m sure if I had been in a lesser car, I wouldn’t have walked away. It was already a classic when I had it and the insurance company offered me $2,500. I sued.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
11:32 pm
USMC:
Bayonet fighting with these libs.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
11:37 pm
Jm:
No …………… this one was the absolute worst ……………………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTKEwovgcFw
Kamchak
August 31st, 2011
11:37 pm
(got some of that blue JW)
We’ll give that panther pi$$ to the hired help.
Got 12 cases of 60 year old Macallan.
Good Little Liberal
August 31st, 2011
11:39 pm
As far as Jay’s article. Obama will present a leftist approach that will please his base and then depend of the Mainstream Media to spin it as centrist.
Nothing new.
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:43 pm
Scout 11:37 jeeebus. No kidding……
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
11:47 pm
Jm:
………………. and this was one of the better ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGBe8mltpkA
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:47 pm
Hope jay hasn’t gone off the deep end. Some of those MSNBC guys had meltdowns
Someone at Cox should check in on him…… (sarcasm)
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
11:49 pm
Kamchak “Got 12 cases of 60 year old Macallan” Now your talkin’
What say you and I hop aboard my Citation and fly to my villa off the coast of Italy?
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:53 pm
Scout looks entertaining
Kam – neat
Jm
August 31st, 2011
11:56 pm
What? The money bags here and no one has a gulf stream?
Good Little Liberal
August 31st, 2011
11:58 pm
out of the blue
Wow. That would be one uncomfortable ride. The range would be enough to make it to Italy, but that’s a small cheap jet to fly that distance.
Jm
September 1st, 2011
12:00 am
Never personally been on a gulf stream
My dad has. And he got to see one with bullet holes and blood stains
In for a refurb. Arab owned
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:01 am
jm
A Gulf Stream would be the plane I would want to take to Italy. A larger Lear would also work.
Jm
September 1st, 2011
12:03 am
GLL, uh yeah
Pretty sweet. And locally made
out of the blue
September 1st, 2011
12:05 am
Ole Scout wants to fix bayonets, and attack the libs.
Tell you what scout, in my day I would have made mince meat out of you, and whoever you had aroound. I was packing a M6 Armament Subsystem. The beauty of this system we could pick, and chose which rocket launcher, we were also armed with two M60’s……
Good night scout
Jm
September 1st, 2011
12:05 am
Ouuuuut
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:07 am
I’ve never flown on a Gulf Stream. I heard they are unreal. Fast,.smooth. I spent a summer fying around the south on a Citation. Good little airplane but not good for long range. They can land on a postage stamp if you have a good captain.
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:09 am
out of the blue
. . . or you just play Call Of Duty on your playstation.
Tommy Maddox
September 1st, 2011
12:10 am
Gotta spine? Try it out? Can’t fly?
F O L D !
That Czech paper was so right noting that America is not doomed because Obama got elected; it’s doomed because the voting public put him there.
out of the blue
September 1st, 2011
12:22 am
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:09 am
out of the blue
. . . or you just play Call Of Duty on your playstation
Really, since I don’t have a playstation, please bring me up to speed…What is “CALL of DUTY”
ken
September 1st, 2011
12:22 am
The big dog yipped.
oldguy
September 1st, 2011
12:23 am
There is enough manure being spread here now to cover the world!
The truth: My coolest car? 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas – solid black (was ordered for the French Embassy but fore some reason they didn’t take it).
Beat the SHI$ out of American cars for design, inovation and comfort!! (still does!) Fun to drive also.
Bought it new (the wife loved it also) for $9,000.00 – (huge money in 1971).
Had to sell it in 1975 because I couldn’t get parts (the quit importing them).
I’d buy another tomorrow if they were available!
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:27 am
out of the blue
I take it you don’t have kids either. I used to go against my son on our PC network when he still lived at home. Call Of Duty is one of the most popular First Person Shooter games.
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:34 am
oldguy
Great cars. Was the DS21 fitted with some exotic engine like a Masarati? They had a wierd suspension that would pump up the shocks on the outside during a curve. Never owned a french car but my uncle had a Renault Dauphine.
I paid $4,500 for the 911S. Finally got the insurance company to pay me about 5 grand. I got it in those few years that cars like that go from being a new exotic to being a ratted out bucket of bolts before they become a classic.
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:39 am
out of the blue
Just looked up M6 Armament Subsystem. That was the system that was bolted onto the side of a Helicopter. Say you carried one of those things around? You must be a big guy.
oldguy
September 1st, 2011
12:49 am
Good,
unfortunately no. had a 4 cylinder standard engine, fast enough but not a supercar. The ride and engineering were out of this world, like nothing else I have ever driven!
The SM model was the sportscar with a Maserati engine real fast!! a friend had one . In 5th gear it would almost stall at 65 MPH.
The speedometer topped out at 190 MPH and it would do that!
The SM was really tempromental it might start, it might not!
Go on Jay Leno’s website, he has a SM in his collection and he has a 10 min video on the car.
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
12:59 am
oldguy
I looked up your car. Wow. That was a beautiful car. The convertable version was out of this world. Wiki said it was in the top ten cars to be voted the best cars ever. But I was right about the suspension.
I guess my most exotic was a Fiat Dino but it just refused to be dependable. Come to think of it the 911S was probably more exotic. I grew up down the street from a collector. He had everything from an Auburn Boattail Roadster to a Detomaso Mangusta. (Had to look up the spelling on that one)
I’ve always been very close to some great cars but never could afford my own. Now I drive an 11 year old Chevy, but it runs great. Been looking for something to restore but all I’ve found was a TR6. I would like to find a Fiat 850 Spider. They are a lot like the Aston Martin Bugeye: they were such crap that they all got crushed so now any of them that isn’t rotted away is gaining in value and they are fun cars to drive.
double
September 1st, 2011
1:08 am
Obama thoughtfully concedes speech time-Area flooded from Irene.
Uncle Jed
September 1st, 2011
1:13 am
Hey dawg fans, how bad do you expect them to get torn apart this weekend?
+++++++
Boise State? At least bad enough for my son and his Dawgs to go 1-0
Uncle Jed
September 1st, 2011
1:15 am
Obama = Idiot
Over and out…………..
ShaHazel
September 1st, 2011
1:46 am
“The high-profile setting, with live coverage by the networks and news channels almost guaranteed, would suggest that Obama intends to be ambitious…”
Well almost anything he does would be ambitious cause he’s done hardly anything at all. The guy’s a cipher, he just floats around making pretty speeches but he does nothing much of any substance. Even his namesake Obamacare was done entirely by Congress, he was just an onlooker.
Normal
September 1st, 2011
6:52 am
Have a busy day today and my last set of knee shots this morning,
I may pop up later, but if I don’t I’ll check in tomorrow.
but I hope y’all have a great Thursday. Fair warning
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/31/funny-pictures-optical-illushun-kitteh/
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/31/funny-pictures-its-called-an-illusion-michael/
Notice a theme?
Tim Geithner's friend
September 1st, 2011
7:22 am
Nope, not a more aggressive Obama but another childish stunt by dear leader who subsequently gets slapped down by the adults in the room. His “leadership” is like a game of whack-a-mole.
SwamiDave
September 1st, 2011
7:24 am
Gee….how quickly we went from the Huff-n-Puff / Olberman / Bookman Left’s excited “YEAH! Show ‘em who’s Boss! Stick it to ‘em! ” to “Er…..(crickets)”.
If his proposals were anything different than the tired, Leftist, redistributionist policies that he has been espousing throughout his Presidency, then waiting around for three weeks during his bus tours and vacations while millions of Americans continue in unemployment or underemployment is shameful. But since actual policies that would promote growth and increased employment are the anti-thesis of of his wonkish, managed-economy, Ivy-league Leftist theology, the likelihood that he will be proposing real policies that would work is sadly slim.
The best speech that he COULD give next Thursday would be shorter that the Gettysburg Address:
-To my fellow American, I apologize for my administration’s past 2 & 1/2 years. I recognize you (not someone like me) are the key to returning our nation to growth and prosperity. To that end, we are getting out of your way. Regretfully, my term has been evidence that bureaucrats and theorists whose experiences are limited to commenting on what others have done are pale replacements for those who actually have. I will dedicate the remainder of my time here getting them out of your way there; and that starts with me! You have always been what is great about our country and will always be. God speed & God Bless!
-SD
Jm
September 1st, 2011
7:26 am
Dick Cheney on MSNBC this am
That should be innerestin
Jack
September 1st, 2011
7:30 am
Get Obama some new suits and a larger prompter and he’ll do just fine. The rhetoric could use a little fine tuning also: he sounds like a funeral director and a watch salesman at the same time.
stands for decibels
September 1st, 2011
7:35 am
yesterday I saw a bum[p]er sticker that read: Ignore the Liberal Media. Why didn’t it just say; Ignore ALL Media?
Because “Liberal Media” is a wingnut lie they want you to believe in.
/Cap’n Obvious
That should be innerestin
Like Joe S. is going to waterboard the Dick for the truth? Yeah right. All’s the former Veep’s gotta do is mouth the words “dead intern” and Joe will go back to asking how the kids are doing.
stands for decibels
September 1st, 2011
7:38 am
to “Er…..(crickets)”.
the thread topic’s done, Swampy.
Most people with lives only check in occasionally to see if anything interesting’s afoot after that. If you paid even the slightest bit of attention to context here, rather than braying to yourself, you’d know that.
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
7:38 am
stands for decibels
There is no liberal media? LOL!!
I will admit that Obama has been such a disaster than even the most liberal of the liberals are speaking out, but how long could they praise someone for completely failing?
stands for decibels
September 1st, 2011
7:40 am
…of course I forgot that with the Dickster, asking how the kids are doing can be enough to make him throw a sh-t fit.
Steve - B.
September 1st, 2011
7:42 am
If a speech could solve all our problems I would be happy, but it wont. A lot of people are suffering, it is very sad to see these huge lines at job fairs on the news.
stands for decibels
September 1st, 2011
7:50 am
Yes, GLL, there is *a* “liberal media.” The Nation, Democracy Now, Pacifica Radio, some of MSNBC (hardly all of it), that sort of thing.
But overall? Corporate-funded news media is not liberally biased, not as America nor the rest of the world understands “liberal” to mean somewhat left-of-center. Corporate-funded news media gives the oligarchy a much bigger voice than the people who do the actual work.
In short, Corporate-funded news media believe of the destiny of America is NEVER safer in the hands of the people, then in the conference rooms of any elite. (to stand Wilson’s famous quote on its head.)
I realize you are not going to understand this, and go right on believing what you like, and I understand why that will/must be. But there are others lurking here who haven’t formed a belief system quite so rigid as yours, who can and should know better.
Brosephus
September 1st, 2011
7:51 am
dB @ 7:40
Brosephus
September 1st, 2011
7:52 am
@ 7:50
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 1st, 2011
7:58 am
Stands, I am with Brosephus….BRAVO!
stands for decibels
September 1st, 2011
7:59 am
thanks, but snafu sheets, bitches.
jt
September 1st, 2011
8:01 am
Obama made EVEN the weeping orange man look ballsy…………………..sheesh.
Steve - B.
September 1st, 2011
8:01 am
SFD@7:50
Once someone trying to act like Big Business and Liberals are two separate things. George Soros is a Liberal and he is a businessman. Another strawman argument that their are no Liberals running any of these Corporations.
I guess it helps some people sleep better at night.
Steve - B.
September 1st, 2011
8:03 am
there..not their.
Good Little Liberal
September 1st, 2011
8:04 am
stands for decibels
Great speech. I’ve worked in the media since 1979. Local up to 1987 when I started working in Atlanta where I worked for most of the major networks in the world. So between the two of us, you read about it. I live it. The guys in the corporate board rooms are not the people writing the stories and I can think of very few repoters or producers that are not hard left.
I realize that you do not have the background in order to understand it. Its not a cut toward you but you have just never been in the news rooms, been editing the piece written by far lefties or had long discussions with the extremely liberal reporters. Its not your fault but what is your fault is the false idea that only someone who watches TV should know so much more than someone who has spent a lifetime working in TV. Its a typical liberal thing that no one knows as much as you, but it really just makes you look rather foolish.
godless heathen
September 1st, 2011
8:09 am
Most Conservatives think that they don’t get a fair shake in the MSM. Most Liberals think that the MSM is fair to Conservatives. That alone indicates a lefty bias in the MSM.
Adam
September 1st, 2011
8:14 am
pogo: Obama’s new economic advisor Krueger wrote a couple of years ago that unending un-employment benefits such as those that will be offered in Obama’s upcoming “jobs” speech give people an incentive not to seek employment. Either there will be a conflict coming between the two or the more likely scenario is that this guy sold his own beliefs out for a cushy government job and to elevate his marketability.
You are basically showing your misunderstanding of why these unemployment benefits have been extended, and how many people he is referring to (at most a 0.4% difference in the unemployment number), and conveniently forget that people likely still won’t find a job even if they have no unemployment benefits since the jobs are still really competitive.
Adam
September 1st, 2011
8:18 am
Steve – B.: Another strawman argument that their are no Liberals running any of these Corporations.
You’re right. That is a straw man argument. As in, an argument someone is making up that the opponent doesn’t actually believe, but the arguer uses as an argument he or she believes will be easier to speak to.
Ron Paul 2012
September 1st, 2011
8:34 am
Mr. Srong and Aggressive Obama moved his no-jobs speech to the 8th.
Ron Paul 2012
September 1st, 2011
8:35 am
Jay making a fool out of himself is happening so often now, that isn’t as entertaining anymore.
Joe
September 1st, 2011
8:44 am
Man did this article start like a rose and end up smelling like an outhouse.. LOL… Yeah he’s aggressive alright..This has got to either be the most unintelligent President in our nation’s history or the most incompetent…. If America can’t do any better than this lets just throw in the towel… Even Jaybird can’t possibly cover for this unbelievable idiocy …
Joe
September 1st, 2011
8:47 am
I wonder if Jay and the loons on the left realize just how irrelevant they are becoming????
philosopher
September 1st, 2011
9:14 am
Obama ’s getting aggressive? (’Bout damn time!) I really like a good strategic move, too…makes the other guy so mad! But then again, Michele just pray them up another earthquake or a hurricane and just blow the opposition away…
Adam
September 1st, 2011
1:30 pm
Joe: I wonder if Jay and the loons on the left realize just how irrelevant they are becoming????
Sure. About as irrelevant as the amount of attention Jay and the “loons on the left” get from people like YOU!
Bill Orvis White
September 1st, 2011
2:25 pm
Why do we need a big gov’t jobs program from this incompetent boob of a president? Dear Hussein Downgrade Obama: You’re an idiot who could barely organize communities. Stay out of the way and let the private sector do its work, you moron!
Amen
Bill
double
September 1st, 2011
10:01 pm
Bill ORIFICE nothing he could do would please you.Moron look in mirror.
George
September 3rd, 2011
12:49 pm
Republicans see Obama’s lack of ideological leadership as a lack of management skill, and of course for an ideologue that would be true. Smart progressives, regardless of party, know that the real power comes with control of the money and taxes – in Congress. Having the right leader to represent the nation is important for it’s own reasons, not the least of which concerns international relations, court appointments, and unleashing the dogs of war. But as we have seen, the Congress alone can deregulate, spend without increasing revenue, and change the economic trajectory of the nation without any help from the Oval office. I believe America learned it’s lesson with W and Perry would have been smarter, if not any more electable, to have changed his residence before entering the race.
Obama is ineffective because he has no power to implement what are certainly smart plans. But today’s politics aren’t about being smart. One only needs to look at where we are and how we got here (not who’s inherited the mess), to know how little real intelligence has gone into managing America. The nation has been played almost consistently for the past 30 years, and it’s not nearly over. Wealth on a scale few can even imagine is at stake. The welfare of a few hundred million people are not a major concern where this level of wealth and it’s attendant power are concerned. Once again, the truth is much more interesting than any fiction that the average American can imagine.
And I still believe the fate of the nation lies not in the White House, but in the next majority party in Congress.