Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?
The medium is the message, as Marshall McLuhan taught us.
With that in mind, what should we make of the fact that President Obama has requested a joint session of Congress on the evening of Sept. 7 to lay out his jobs program?
The high-profile setting, with live coverage by the networks and news channels almost guaranteed, would suggest that Obama intends to be ambitious in his proposal. A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.
If Obama has decided to model his campaign on Harry Truman’s 1948 successful campaign, in which “Give ‘em Hell” Harry ran hard against a do-nothing Congress, this would seem to be a great opportunity to drive that message home.
Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:
“It is my intention to lay out a series of bipartisan proposals that the Congress can take immediately to continue to rebuild the American economy by strengthening small business, helping Americans get back to work and putting more money in the paychecks of the middle class and working Americans, while still reducing the deficit and getting our fiscal house in order. It is our responsibility to find bipartisan solutions to help grow our economy, and if we are willing to put country before party, I am confident we can do just that.”
The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.
Imagine that. One would almost think that Obama was using his power as president to steal the spotlight from his would-be challengers and remind them that he has no intention of being upstaged.
In a press briefing this afternoon, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked whether that was the intended message. You can guess his answer.
“No, of course not. There were a lot of considerations. Once you want to do a speech to Congress and you have to deal with congressional schedules and there are many other factors here … one debate of many that is on one channel of many was not enough reason not to have this speech at the time that we decided to have it.”
“There are many opportunities for the American people. There’s a choice they can make to watch the president, to watch the debate,” Carney said. “A network could make a decision to alter the timing of the debate by an hour.”
Or, in the immortal words of Hank Williams, “move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
– Jay Bookman
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Bosch the Sock Puppet
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
Bosch has adjusted to the tactics of his prey. The hunted becomes the hunter…..
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
2012 – End of an error.
++++++++++++++++++
Yep!
Jay
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
Dunno, Josef. We haven’t talked this week.
I’ve been busy.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
“I guess the idea would work to have a clinic wherever there is a post office. As a refinement to your plan.”
Yeah, you get the idea though. You are too young to remember that show “Petticoat Junction” (set in rural area) where Sam Druker was the guy who wore all the hats and depending on what he was doing, he’d literally change hats to do it. If he was the Postman, he’d put on his postman hat, if he was the butcher, he’d put on the butcher hat, etc.
pogo
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
Obama’s new economic advisor Krueger wrote a couple of years ago that unending un-employment benefits such as those that will be offered in Obama’s upcoming “jobs” speech give people an incentive not to seek employment. Either there will be a conflict coming between the two or the more likely scenario is that this guy sold his own beliefs out for a cushy government job and to elevate his marketability. Aggression won’t help Obama. The reality of the numbers are going to be
his undoing. By next year at this time, America will want nothing more than him and his advisors gone from Washington forever. He is a true “foodstamp” president.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
4:54 pm
Θ
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Granny godzilla = Lame.
O it’s you again
walking just fine, thanks.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:55 pm
(ir)Rational — Joe – FSAs FTW? I’m lazy, please explain.
FTW — Internetese for “For The Win,” meaning roughly ‘you can’t go wrong’ or ‘it’s a winning thing’ or the like. Possibly derived from the phrase used on “Hollywood Squares.”
FSA — Flexible Spending Plan (Medical, Transit or Dependent Care). You can set aside money before taxes to be used to reimburse yourself for qualified expenses in the category for which you set up the account (I’m speaking of Medical FSAs). In 2011, you can set aside up to $6K (and your wife can, too) if your employer offers this as a benefit. My employer’s FSA provider does this via a card which actually allows you to access the money in the account *without* having to front the cost. Transactions are somehow coded so that the funds in the account can only be applied against allowable costs. You can submit receipts for providers that don’t take plastic.
Long story short — we only had to pay about $200 out of pocket last year for over $100K in medical costs.
F T effin’ W.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm
Well — I’m out. Happy Wednesday everyone.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm
“President Barack Obama has asked congressional leaders to convene a joint session next Wednesday night so he can deliver a major economic speech, an address that will coincide with a scheduled Republican presidential debate.”
…………………….. which should be denied. Put it in a letter. We don’t need you reading it from a teleprompter.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:56 pm
BOSCH
Shut up your own d*mned self!
QUESTION
Why do the red states have the highest numbers on welfare (majority AND minority), lowest per capita incomes, highest infant mortality, lowest life expectancy, lowest per capita education, highest rates of single parent households, and all those other third world indicators…
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:57 pm
A GAO study found that in every year from 1998 to 2005, approximately 55 percent of large corporations paid no corporate income tax.
That’s even a higher percentage than all those poor people that “don’t pay taxes”. Why don’t the Republicans ever mention them.
Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm
“Comedy or Drama?”
Farce?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm
Brosephus — “Are the FSA’s the accounts where you can carry over to the next year? I know there’s two different types of accounts you can put money into for health care costs. I just don’t remember the difference between the two.”
You’re thinking of HSAs, Health Spending Accounts. Those *do* roll over. FSAs do not.
There are weird restrictions on having both types of account at the same time, so we just do FSAs. They’re a little more trouble to handle, but you can put more money aside and realize a higher tax benefit from them.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:58 pm
BRUIN
Well, when you do get in touch, tell him I asked after him. Been busy myself, but AM looking forward to his annual address to the schoolchildren of America…
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:59 pm
You said minorities AND WOMEN make less than…… women come in all ethnicities, so in effect you just gave all women voters to the dems. _ Debbie doright
Debbiedoright,
No. I’m not that bad with numbers. Women generally make less money on average than men. Its been that way for a long time for a number of reasons althought the gap thankfully has narrowed and may eventually even be surpassed considering there are more women in college. And in general minorities make less than whites for a variety of reasons. These are commonly well known stats backed up by the census. There is nothing to argue on these points and again I’m talking about “in general and overall”. Throwing out Clarence Thomas doesn’t change a generality. And while not all women vote Dem there are generally more that vote Dem than Republican, especially amongst younger women concerned with abortion rights and amongst unmarried women with kids.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm
Second, Latinos are relatively evenly split between D & R (at least relative to some other minorities), so that negates one point.
Good thing you put that qualifier in there, because in reality, it is still not very close at all.
According to the Edison Research 2010 national House exit poll, 60 percent of Latino voters supported Democratic candidates in the House while 38 percent supported Republican candidates.
The same 38% that Perry won in his 2010 gubernatorial race.
Given the hysteria by the GOP and their ever increasingly stringent immigration and border security proposals of late, that percentage voting for Republicans may well drop to 28% in 2012…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm
“have a lack of patience when I see something that from my perspective is nothing short of asinine stupidity”
Maybe Doom, it’s because you have a habit of jumping to conclusions and not really getting the point. You did it earlier when I was trying to explain that we do have rights paid for by taxpayers given to us by the services of others, and you didn’t get that point, you went off clutching your pearls that how dare I insinuate you would commit a crime, or something like that.
You also have a bad habit of projecting your thoughts onto others and then posting your thoughts as something someone wrote, when they are just actually your own projections.
And it might bode you well tone down the arrogance and assume you are smarter than all. I mean, when you start off a post as you did earlier telling me you had to help me out intellectually, do you really think that I’m going to read any further?
I’ll discuss any thing with any body, but if your going to start off being a santimonious jerk, then again, you can do it alone.
Paulo977
August 31st, 2011
5:00 pm
Adam ….. Just to help Kayaker
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/11/01/what-obama-has-done-comprehensive-edition
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
5:05 pm
Doom — “But suffice it to say that this exact same statement can be said of you. I’ve seen you argue every little sentence fragment in a battle of oneupmanship and you do this constantly.”
And I do it *specifically BECAUSE* you argue over what others mean.
It’s not a matter of one-upsmanship. It’s because you leap to conclusions about what I mean and try to put words in my mouth. I won’t let that go, mister. You don’t know what’s in my head any more than I know what’s in yours.
“And I sincerely doubt that I’m the only one who has noticed this negative quality of yours. From my perspective its nothing short of breathtaking to hear that coming from you of all people. You are the one who has readily admitted to going onto other blogs specifically just to argue with con bloggers.”
And at the same time, I told you that I go onto *liberal* sites for the exact same reason, yet you conveniently leave that out. If I want an argument, I can go get one at Kos, DU, Freep or LGF any time I want. But that’s not what I’m doing here. People here are a bit more intelligent and perspicacious than the knuckledragging mouthbreathers on those other sites.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
5:05 pm
Joe Mama
Thanks. I always get the two of them confused…
Off to prepare the evening meal. I’ll leave y’all to knee jerk each other to death.
Lucifer
August 31st, 2011
5:06 pm
Obama should announce big work projects in the states of prominent Republicans and allow the Pubs to hang themselves by voting down plans that would put thousands to work in their home states. It is clear that anything Obama purposes will be opposed by the Pubs. Remember Mitch McConnell has one objective in mind — defeat Obama. Doesn’t matter if the Republic goes to hell in a handbasket over the next year, just as long as the Pubs win the presidency in 2012. If they do, the whole thing starts all over again — with the Dems being pissed off and taking the torch of obstructionists. All the while, Main Street is hurting, homeless, unemployed, with a sense of helplessness that we have arrived in our nation at a point where our leadership is rudderless. Anyone out there want to form a Third Party?
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
5:07 pm
71, I already have a wager with Bruno for concert tickets of the winner’s choice – a win/win, if you will!
But hell to the yeah, this is another one where both parties “win”.
And, as I told him, I’ll do my part to help you out by voting against BHO…
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:07 pm
I think Perry will make Romney a better candidate. Or Perry will beat Romney. And I could really do without Perry being the Republican nominee.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
5:08 pm
Joe – Does sound nice. I had heard FTW in another context and wasn’t sure. More of a f the world type connotation. Didn’t think that’s what you meant, so I was asking. FSAs sound like a good idea, and I might have to look into it.
Bosch – Yeah, I get the concept, and I think clinics are where its at. Seems like a good way to do things instead of forcing me to get what you think is the right type of health insurance. And I don’t me you in the literal sense, just in the figurative sense. And you’re correct, I’ve never seen the show, but I do know about it.
As it stands now though, I’m going to hit the road, and be thankful that I’ve moved into the city so I don’t have an hour long drive. Y’all have a nice day and be sweet.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
BADA BING
August 31st, 2011
5:08 pm
Fly a C-130? I wish. Made right here in GA, good local jobs. Probably flying in every country on Earth right now. Lands on grass, snow, ice, dirt, and concrete, on small runways. $ for $ the best cargo plane ever built.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:10 pm
Amvet 5:00 – yawp on the first point
on the second one, I’m not so sure. It will be interesting to see how the latino vote goes in 2012. u may be right, u may be wrong
I may be crazy
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:13 pm
Jay, tell corporate that you blog has become so dern successful you need IT to build you a mobile app and some different tech for tracking the conversations (like some sort of Java enabled stuff maybe)
so we don’t have to flip through 20 pages sometimes, or could track threads.
That is, unless your users and you like the telegraph version
Jay
August 31st, 2011
5:13 pm
Lucifer, you devil you ….
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
5:14 pm
Bosch,
No sir. I did not “mind read”. You accused me of mind reading what you think about the liberal belief that people have a “right” to health care. Then I simply provided your quote, your words where you said it it. Why do you have a problem with me simply reiterating what you yourself said? And then you accuse me of projecting, mind reading, etc. over stuff you said? Unreal. End of story on that point.
Kinda funny that you criticize me for being a meany while at the same time commenting about me clutching my pearls and being an ass hole earlier and sanctimonious jerk, and on and on and on. The irony of it all. I was critical of you for your failure to understand the most basic statistical analysis. And you were the one who started off with the rudeness on the previous blog. Go back and look if you don’t believe me.
“you went off clutching your pearls that how dare I insinuate you would commit a crime, or something like that.”- Bosch
Bosch, your hypothetical was just plain silly. Nothing more to say on that.
pogo
August 31st, 2011
5:15 pm
Obama’s cheap political tactic of scheduling another one of his “Most Important Speeches” to the country over the Repbulican debate will again backfire. Seems he has done this before, hasn’t he? Nobody will be watching or listening because nobody believes anything this un-qualified windbag says anymore. Besides, it will only serve to irritate his “base” who would rather be watching Dancing with the Stars (or something intellectually equivalent).
Michael
August 31st, 2011
5:15 pm
GOP tops Obama! Agrees to throw one candidate off the island after the debate. Backstabbing to follow.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:16 pm
God knows Jay Bookman is going to become an integral part to bridging old media over to the digital age and locking in eyeballs for ad revenue in a non-print world for ole Cox Communications…..
Gives me the shudders
Good thing they have that autotrader thing too…..
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:16 pm
Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Only if somebody doesn’t bail him out and buy him a drink.
Oh wait, were you referring to the drunken uncle or the prez?
Or was it Michelle? Gosh, I hope not her, because we’ll be eating cardboard.
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm
jm: “Roubini isn’t a genius. If he was so good at figuring out the economy, he’d be getting rich investing off of it rather than blabbering along constantly. Another fricking Cassandra to be ignored is what he is.”
What an asinine statement.
First of all, what makes you think that anyone who can do it would want to use their intelligence and market know-how to make tones of money? Secondly, you dismiss him on the grounds that he’s a “Cassandra”. That’s strange. Normally the Cassandra myth is seen as an indictment of the society that’s too corrupt, short-sighted, or stupid to listen to her warnings – which are accurate – and not of Cassandra herself.
This right-wing ideology really does rot brains, I swear.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm
(ir)Rational — “Does sound nice. I had heard FTW in another context and wasn’t sure. More of a f the world type connotation.”
During the Vietnam era, it meant what you were thinking, F The World. But if you see it on internet message boards today, chances are FTW = For The Win.
“Didn’t think that’s what you meant, so I was asking.”
Not a problem, sir.
“FSAs sound like a good idea, and I might have to look into it.”
Your employer’s HR department is a good place to start. And if your company doesn’t offer it, your wife’s might.
We always max out my account, and we usually end up having to go buy another pair or two of glasses at the end of the year to empty out the funds (there is a use-it-or-lose-it policy). But last year, with all the costs I was incurring, we had no problem burning it all up.
We liked seeing the Northside bill that was about two percent of the before-adjustments hospitalization cost. And we REALLY liked being able to whip out that card and make the bill go away without any hit to our household savings or budget.
Swami Dave
August 31st, 2011
5:17 pm
Jay:
Since Joint Sessions of Congress occur in the House chambers, an equally valid response from the House could be:
“Sorry, in a bipartisan manner, we need to reschedule to a more suitable date that we can all agree to.”
Or…..in response to Hank’s immortal words – “Well, Big Dog, you can do it whenever you want, but not on that date so long as you need to use our porch!”
Of course, PrezBO could probably request and get an audience with the Democratic-controlled Senate or give the speech from the White House (thereby, appearing petulant and demanding of all attention – like some accuse him of being).
-SD
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:18 pm
AmVet
“Panel tallies massive waste and fraud in wartime U.S. contracts”
Remember when Democrats made another offer to cut spending, what was it, 300 billion over ten years, Sen Orrin Hatch said words to the effect of it’s only 30 billion a year, compared to the deficit, it’s insignificant.”
Republicans will likely yawn at only $60 billion in waste.
Afternoon, kayaker 71
“He flew C-130s in the Air Force ”
I listened to a good part of his VFW speech. He can give a good performance to a group like that.
But I laughed and shook my head at one point. See, that generation, many AF pilots had a bit of sensitivity if they weren’t fighter pilots. That was the glamor job, the mystique. Within the community there was good-natured ribbing about the ‘trash haulers’ and the ‘bomb droppers.’ Just part of the culture.
So I thought it would be enough for Gov Perry to say he flew C-130s. That group knows what that aircraft is – the “C” designates cargo. So how does Gov Perry refer to it? “I flew attack airlifters.” Had to listen a couple time so make sure he didn’t say ‘tac airlifters’ for ‘tactical airlifters.” Nope, it had to be ‘attack.’ More of a macho thing. “I didn’t fly C-130s, a cargo aircraft, I flew AA-130s. They’re the attack version…”
Not a big thing. Pretty small in the scheme of things. But to me it speaks more of having to project a manly man image when he didn’t need to . Being an AF pilot is honorable enough. The fact he has to manly it up is revealing.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
5:19 pm
Joe Mama,
I think you’re pretty much guilty of the very things you accuse me of. Nevertheless we’re just going to disagree on that and not going to solve anything arguing about it. In future correspondence I’ll keep your criticisms in mind and just be conscientousness of not doing what you say I do.
Ya’ll have a good evening. I gotta get going.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Doom — “I think you’re pretty much guilty of the very things you accuse me of.”
I don’t doubt that you think it.
“Nevertheless we’re just going to disagree on that and not going to solve anything arguing about it. In future correspondence I’ll keep your criticisms in mind and just be conscientousness of not doing what you say I do.”
I appreciate that. Thank you for your consideration.
“Ya’ll have a good evening. I gotta get going.”
Drive safely, Mr. Doom.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
LWM
“what makes you think that anyone who can do it would want to use their intelligence and market know-how”
Let’s parse this first. Um, the fact that people who can figure it out (Buffett, among others) do go do so because making money isn’t a bad way to make a living. Duh.
“Secondly, you dismiss him on the grounds that he’s a “Cassandra”. ”
Cassandra has long been a reference to someone who’s a negative nancy all the time. Right only on occasion because they say the same thing over and over. If you want to redefine the allegory of Cassandra, go ahead. But you’re just going to continue to make yourself look like a moron.
“which are accurate” someone doesn’t understand the story.
Matthew
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Obama is an inept weenie
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:23 pm
No Doom when you write that I believe something and project your own opinions as mine- the conversation will never end (as you so sanctimoniously assume you have the power to do).
md
August 31st, 2011
5:23 pm
So, the guy calling for bipartisanship starts off by scheduling on top of the other guys………..
And folks wonder what the problem is…………………
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
Joe Mama – HSA’s are even better than FSA’s if your company has them……. (none of the stupid “use it or lose it” rules with HSA’s that some Federal moron thought up)
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
“Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?”
You bet ………. the closer he gets to losing this next election the more desparate he will get.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:25 pm
“I didn’t fly C-130s, a cargo aircraft, I flew AA-130s. They’re the attack version…”
Is that the version that comes equipped with bombay doors.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:26 pm
md 5:23 – exactly. Obama just isn’t the right guy. He had the mojo on the campaign trail for 1 year.
But no one in DC (or even indy Bloomberg) likes him cause he’s an arrogant snot and overly technocratic
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:26 pm
Nice dodge doom not focus on the point that we as citizens have rights just like the ones you were swooning against. It wasn’t a far off hypothetical at all you are just too weak to counter the point as you’ve done all day. If you want to claim super intelligence start showing it
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
“bombay doors”
Only for the G&T crowd….
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
You bet ………. the closer he gets to losing this next election the more desparate he will get.
I think “desperation” is the hopes of removing a sitting president based on the belief that if one could just get a hold of his original birth certificate, the evidence would be so damning… well, you get the idea, don’t you.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
5:29 pm
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
Been out a while. I think aggressive is Jays wishfull thinking term.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:31 pm
Women don’t like to be lied to…they are worse off today…
Gallup: Obama’s Approval Hits All-Time Low of 41 Percent Among Women
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
(CNSNews.com) – Barack Obama defeated Sen. John McCain 56 percent to 43 percent among female voters in the 2008 presidential election, according to the network exit poll, and Obama’s job performance as president won the support of 70 percent of women early in his tenure.
But Gallup polling last week showed that only 41 percent of women now say they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president. That is an all-time low–down from the previous low of 43 percent, which is what Obama’s approval had been among women in each of the previous three weeks.
Obama’s approval has dropped 11 points among women over the past three months. In the last week of May, according to the Gallup poll, the president’s approval among females was at 52 percent.
Obama’s approval among women peaked at 70 percent
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:32 pm
“bombay doors” aka liquor cabinet?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:32 pm
Thanks to the lottery players.
Sure is. The bombay doors are for dropping cases of gin to the ground pounders -
Message from Matti
August 31st, 2011
5:33 pm
Paul explains, “The fact he has to manly it up is revealing.”
Indeed! Heh… take heed, gentlemen. Women know.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
jm
when we’re on the same wavelength……
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
Attack airlifters?
Too funny.
I bet every USAF vet there laughed their ass off, even if under their breath…
Mary Elizabeth
August 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
LWM @ 5:17
“Normally the Cassandra myth is seen as an indictment of the society that’s too corrupt, short-sighted, or stupid to listen to her warnings – which are accurate – and not of Cassandra herself.”
———————————————–
Hmmm . . .In college, I was cast as Cassandra. The year, 1962. The play, “The Trojan Women.”
Just a little jab at a few. . .all in good humor! But I did enjoy playing that part!
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:35 pm
Hi Matti
I was referring more to psyche, but I’ll defer -
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:36 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
Well, while you are here …………. any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
Matthew
August 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Obama is an inept weenie
++++++++++++++++++++
Yep. His stature (ah hem) seems to get smaller as each day passes.
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
My bombay door is already open…obviously from my earlier keyboarding snafu…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
Scout
And while your here any comments on those unholy institutions?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
Scout
“Well, while you are here …………. any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there.”
I like the rumor Hillary will ask Perry to serve in her cabinet. After all, as was posted earlier, as Texas Ag Commissioner, he liked Hillarycare before he was against Hillarycare -
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
AmVet – Read my lips:
You won’t be laughing now …………..
AC-130 Spectre / Spooky
AC-130H Spectre gunship deploys flares in 2007
Role
Fixed-wing gunship
Manufacturer
Lockheed and Boeing
First flight
AC-130A: 1966
AC-130U: 1990
Introduction
AC-130A: 1968
AC-130H: 1972
AC-130U: 1995
Retired
AC-130A: 1995
Status
In service
Primary user
United States Air Force
Number built
47 (in all variants)
Unit cost
AC-130H: US$132.4 million
AC-130U: US$190 million (2002)
Developed from
Lockheed C-130 Hercules
“The Lockheed AC-130 gunship is a heavily-armed ground-attack aircraft variant of the C-130 Hercules transport plane.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130
Yoda
August 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
Hillary. Ahhhhhh. The desire to be President is strong with that one……..
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination?
+++++++++++++++
Only if she can first get him to take an evening stroll in Fort Marcy Park.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
Ruh roh Jay.
Boehner Asks Obama to Delay Jobs Speech
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/boehner-asks-obama-to-delay-jobs-speech.html
Methinky I should’ve wagered some money with you on that one……
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm
Jay needs an UPDATE!
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:41 pm
Bosch:
God knows who they are:
Matthew 7
“15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ “
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
Paul:
That’s fine and cute but what are your thoughts if Hillary tries to unseat him.
Who would you support ?
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
Uncle Jed…
“Only if she can first get him to take an evening stroll in Fort Marcy Park.”
Oooh! You didn’t!
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Ooopie – just say no.
And Amvet, Spooky flying is way cooler that community agitation.
TruthBe
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
It’s need to be repeated. Good job.
AngryMobVoter
August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm
The Republicans in Congress should boycott this speech. This is another example of dirty politics by Obama.
All Obama is interesting doing is campaigning to the detriment of the American people. Scheduling this at the same time as the debate proves it. And we thought Nixon was bad…
What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES that he knows cannot pass the House. Then he will use that outcome to campaign indicating the Republicans are not working to fix the economy. This is DIRTY POLITICS of the highest order. Obama is putting his reelection AMBITION ahead of what is good for the country. Getting elected is more important than the SUFFERING of the American people to Obama. This COMPLETE DISREGARD for the welfare of the American people shows how urgent it is to vote Obama out of office.
Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is. Having the taxpayers pay for what was just a campaign trip shows his disdain for the suffering of the American people.
The fact is the American economic problems will never be solved. All of the people living off the governments dime (welfare, food stamps, government employees, etc.) will continue to vote for the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS. The SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS will continue to vote for the maintenance and extension of these programs so they can keep getting elected. It is a downward spiral with no viable solution unless all of us not living off the government’s dime vote 100% to replace the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS.
Obama engaged in a reckless stimulus spending plan which only did more harm than good. That money was used to offset financial mismanagement at the state level. The projects that were funded by that money only gave a temporary increase in business to certain businesses but BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business. The only way we will see real, long term growth in jobs is if we eliminate the oppressive regulation of business (not Wall Street), change the tax structure so it is comparable to other countries, allow businesses the flexibility to make labor more efficient and STOP THE SPENDING.
Printing money did not work because interest rates were already as low as they could go. More dollars chasing the same amount of good and service means price increases not more jobs.
Our bloated and inefficient government is what is thwarting job and economic growth and the reckless stimulus spending and the reckless printing of money have not and will not do anything to fix it.
Obama is so h*ll bent of “taxing the rich” (whatever that means) because it is a campaign strategy not because it is good for the country. Obama is obsessed with getting reelected so he can ram more of his “hope and change” left-wing, near socialistic programs into law. The Democrats with Obama in charge will continue to spend and spend. More and more social programs will mean more and more people with little incentive to work and more and more voters living off the programs advocated by the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS . His “taxing the rich” attitude will send more and more jobs out of the country.
Mr. Obama: stop campaigning, stop SPENDING, TAXING, and REGULATING and do what is good for the country.
We must continue to VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Well, while you are here …………. any thoughts on Hillary trying to unseat him for the nomination? Strong rumors out there.
That’s so last presidential campaign. I think Obama won by the way.
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
…than…
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm
Breaking News ………….. just in !
Advance copy of Obama’s “Jobs Speech” before a Joint Session of Congress:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ato64iEK8Go
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm
My 2 cents:
I’d take Hillary over Perry…. but I’d take Romney over Hillary
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:44 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
Who would you support if she tries again?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:45 pm
Scout
Why would he be laughing? The Spectre does not have a cargo mission. All those guns and crew stations get in the way.
You really thinking a Spectre pilot’s gonna say he flies ‘airlifters’ and not ‘gunships’?
’sides which, Perry didn’t fly them.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:46 pm
Oh AmVet – read my lips:
Are you still out there ?
……………. or have you re-enlisted to fly C-130 ground attack aircraft ??
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
Scout
I honestly don’t know. But if it was Perry v Hillary I definitely do know. Same as if it was Perry v Obama. Or Perry v Daffy Duck.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
AC-130 Spectre / Spooky
+++++++++++++
Jay may have a question for you, like he did for Tommy @ 8:04A.M.
(the boy likes a good game of tag)
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
Rick Perry is a complete wild card. Other than to say he is a pandering, pompous, self promoting populist.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
You won’t be laughing now …………..
AC-130 Spectre / Spooky
AC-130H Spectre gunship deploys flares in 2007
I didn’t serve in the Air Force, and even I would have called him on claiming he flew an AA-130. There is no such designation for an aircraft like that. Google AA-130 and you turn up information on American Airlines flight #130. I spent enough time around C-130 crewmembers in Montgomery to know the difference between a C-130 and an AC-130. Last time I checked, I think the C-130 was rolling out as the C-130J.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
Perry: oh I left out a “pay to play” player
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
Mary Elizabeth, do you feel like you’re reliving history?
jm, why do you assume that everyone who has the capacity to make money wants to dedicate themselves to something like that? Or more to the point, why do you immediately assume that a person who studies and critiques is doing so because they were unable to do the former?
Do you even see the point I’m making, I wonder, or are you too gone in your capitalist world.
Uncle Jed
August 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
josef
August 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
+++++++++++++++++
Well dang it, the door was open.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
Bro – why choose the BB gun when there’s a canon right next to you?
Arguing over the flight experience or name is like a Republican bringing up 57 states. Really?
Perry has enough liabilities to plaster the Taj Mahal with. And you go for that one?
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
All I know is “Spooky” and “Puff” saved my rearend a time or two and even though the Air Force threw me and three other Marines out of one of their messhalls in Da Nang in 1968, I forgive them ………………
Message from Matti
August 31st, 2011
5:51 pm
Hillary is totally over y’all’s buuuuuull-poo. She’s got better things to do.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Mary Elizabeth:
Check out 5:41.
No response solicited.
Where have I heard that before ?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Who would you support if she tries again?
That depends on the contents of Box 23.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Matti:
Time will tell.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia :
At least you got the box number correct. Kammie couldn’t even do that.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
Brosephus
Just so there’s no misunderstanding, I came up with “AA-130″ to illustrate “I flew attack airlifters.” Since he flew C-130s I combined it to AA-130. There is no AA-130. Just C-130 and as Scout pointed out, AC-130, for the attack version of the cargo series, but without a cargo mission. Sure, they can do it in a pinch in a limited way, but the aircraft is designed for a ground attack role.
But that all just gets away from the point of why someone like Gov Perry feels it necessary to pad his resume.
cue Matti…..
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
I hope she does. It would be so amusing.
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:54 pm
Oh LWM – I don’t believe everyone that can make lots of $ chooses to do so silly.
I just think Roubini is a cr-ppy prognosticator. The guy sees storms over every horizon. He doesn’t know which ones to worry about, which to go around, and which to ignore. Meaning, his advice is worthless. The stupid media keeps listening to him, and the stupid investors did.
Or, said another way, there are at least 5,000 people who I would listen to in this country before I would listen to him
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
5:54 pm
Pad his resume’? And Obama didn’t?
jm
August 31st, 2011
5:55 pm
“She’s got better things to do.”
Like keeping Bill on the reservation.