Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?
The medium is the message, as Marshall McLuhan taught us.
With that in mind, what should we make of the fact that President Obama has requested a joint session of Congress on the evening of Sept. 7 to lay out his jobs program?
The high-profile setting, with live coverage by the networks and news channels almost guaranteed, would suggest that Obama intends to be ambitious in his proposal. A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.
If Obama has decided to model his campaign on Harry Truman’s 1948 successful campaign, in which “Give ‘em Hell” Harry ran hard against a do-nothing Congress, this would seem to be a great opportunity to drive that message home.
Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:
“It is my intention to lay out a series of bipartisan proposals that the Congress can take immediately to continue to rebuild the American economy by strengthening small business, helping Americans get back to work and putting more money in the paychecks of the middle class and working Americans, while still reducing the deficit and getting our fiscal house in order. It is our responsibility to find bipartisan solutions to help grow our economy, and if we are willing to put country before party, I am confident we can do just that.”
The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.
Imagine that. One would almost think that Obama was using his power as president to steal the spotlight from his would-be challengers and remind them that he has no intention of being upstaged.
In a press briefing this afternoon, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked whether that was the intended message. You can guess his answer.
“No, of course not. There were a lot of considerations. Once you want to do a speech to Congress and you have to deal with congressional schedules and there are many other factors here … one debate of many that is on one channel of many was not enough reason not to have this speech at the time that we decided to have it.”
“There are many opportunities for the American people. There’s a choice they can make to watch the president, to watch the debate,” Carney said. “A network could make a decision to alter the timing of the debate by an hour.”
Or, in the immortal words of Hank Williams, “move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
– Jay Bookman
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AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
“Amvet 3:55 – well, frankly, starting about now Defense is going to get put through a squeeze.”
????????????????????
You really believe that??? To the point hat you would actually write it?
Incredible.
There has been no recommendation that even comes close to making the tiniest dent in the gargantuan DoD budget.
Not even 3%.
Better call Messrs Boehner and Cantor and ask them if they need some new calculators.
LOL…
Mr. Snarky
August 31st, 2011
4:11 pm
I don’t even know why we’re having the election…Obama should just step down and give it to Rick. Obama is horrible and Rick is AWESOME. Easy enough. Thanks for clearing it up.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:12 pm
Unemployment rates fell in most US cities in July
Well darn! Just Darn! Now what is Obama supposed to work on for the Republicans to just say no about.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:12 pm
jm,
Yeah, and it’s hard to pursue happiness when your dead because you couldn’t afford a doctor.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Doom,
The world is not all about you, but my analogy goes to show that we are guaranteed rights in this country paid for by taxpayers if necessary and the services are provided for by others.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Doom: I was simply pointing out to you why several of the red states have a higher number of people receiving welfare. That’s all. Just because you didn’t bring it up doesn’t mean I can’t then proceed to explain to you why things are the way they are. And if a higher % of Dems are minority voters and a higher % of minority voters are on welfare then so be it. It is what it is.
Huh? Doom you DID mention race. You stated that the reason the red states have such a high percentage of people on welfare is because of the “Minority” population. Bosch pointed out that there are more WHITES on welfare in those states than blacks; and you pointed out that his reasoning was skewered because there were more blacks in the total POPULATION of red states than blue states, (which has NOTHING to do with welfare receipt ’cause the statistics on that is from # of applicants not total population).
Again, welfare recipients statistics are garnered by the number of APPLICANTS not the population as a whole. If you’re saying the number of dems on welfare than repubs how can you substantiate that? Show me that statistic please, because I know for a fact, being an ex-worker, that POLITICAL AFFILIATION is not on ONE application for aid.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:13 pm
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
“Perhaps it is false logic. But its true nonetheless.”
Wow, Doom, so are all “truths” to you possible falsities?
Weird.
“Just because you don’t like it being true does not make it so.”
And Doom, just because you WANT it to be true does not make it so either.- Bosch
Please explain to me Bosch what statement is not true? Do blacks not overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Are you actually going to deny that? Or that minorities as a % of their population don’t use more in terms of welfare? Nope. You can’t dispute that one either. What is it that you dispute? Please just say it.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
Wow, I go away for a while and do some work and this is what I come back to? How did we get to healthcare and Doom loosing her job and being arrested?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
Misty Fyed
August 31st, 2011
4:09 pm
I agree with you, but in adition I would repeal all regulations put in place since Obama has been elected many of which stffle economic growth and I would slap a tarrif on imports.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:14 pm
Just how many free prime time speeches is a president supposed to get?
As I heard today, I think the Republican controlled Congress should not agree to a “joint-session” campaign speech by El Jeffe.
Let his campaign pay for it somewhere else. Enough is enough.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
“NBC/Politico’s GOP presidential debate will be after Obama is done.”
Huff Post
I read there are 3 GOP debates in September alone……
September 7th, 2011 8pm EST on MSNBC and CNBC
Location: Reagan Library in Simi Valley, CA
Sponsor: Reagan Library, NBC News and Politico
Participants: Perry, Paul, Huntsman, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, Cain
September 12th, 2011 8pm EST on CNN – Submit Questions
Location: Florida State Fair Grounds in Tampa, FL
Sponsor: CNN and the Tea Party Express
Participants: TBD
September 22nd, 2011 Air time TBD on Fox News
Location: Orlando, FL
Sponsor: Fox News and Florida Republican Party
Participants: TBD
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
Bumper Sticker:
“OMG” – Obama Must Go !
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:15 pm
Bosch 4:12 – personal responsibility
Yeah, if you don’t save for a doctor and get sick, you’ll be unhappy. The Constitution and DoI don’t guarantee an easy life free from worry or sacrifice. Unless you’re a liberal I suppose.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:16 pm
jm: I think a bonding system would be necessary and someone uninsured could incur health care expenses up to $10,000, backed by a lien through federal taxes.
Sounds like… a coupon program!
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:16 pm
“The Big Dog is Movin’ In” hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:17 pm
kayaker: He will propose numerous things, mainly spending more money to “create jobs”
Bet he doesn’t. Also I bet that the right wing propaganda machine will say that he did when he didn’t, counting on the fact that most of you won’t watch hsi speech or read the plan for yourselves.
They CAN count on that fact, can’t they?
only 19% of the electorate will definitely vote for Obama…… 45% won’t…. 25% of Democrats polled won’t vote for Obama and will vote for the Republican candidate, no matter who that is. Oh look, I fixed what you were trying to say.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:17 pm
Or that minorities as a % of their population don’t use more in terms of welfare? Nope.
If you change the word, “their”, to “the”, you might be onto a discussion that encompasses “we” the people instead of “those” people. Just a thought.
Disgusted
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
Jay has the power to force people to post against their will.
And not only involuntarily, but also to post after someone has already refuted your post. I tell you, we need this guy as president.
Talking Head
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
Doom,
Watch your back, when Bosch gets his fantasy land of a police state and he rats you out for not agreeing with the president…out of the blue, the police will arrest you for something you’re not guilty of.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
Are GOP debates going to be TV series? 12 more scheduled between now and 1st week of March.
Comedy or Drama?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:18 pm
jm — “Bosch is the king of the “I didn’t say that” dance. Libs love to say something but not actually back it up.”
More accurately, you and Doom often make incorrect inferences about what others are saying, leap to erroneous conclusions based on those incorrect inferences and then try to claim that those others both said and meant what you mistakenly attributed to them.
I’ve seen it happen on both your parts several times, and I haven’t been here that long.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Debbiedoright,
Please see my post to Bosch ealier regarding statistical analyses. If you can’t statistically understand why red states with higher populations of minorities- who tend to have significantly higher percentages of their populations on welfare, skews the overall numbers of people in their states on welfare then I just don’t know what to say to you. Its fairly simple statistical analysis. I can’t make you understand what should be plainly obvious once it is statistically explained.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
“we are guaranteed rights in this country paid for by taxpayers if necessary and the services are provided for by others.”
Well no limits there. Guess we should all just line up in front of the Government door ready for the handout. Who knew?
I’m going to go ask Bernanke for a Ferrari. Liberals must believe in this thing called “Santa Claus Government”…..
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Congress is not worthy…on your knees
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Granny: Dramedy
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Joe Mama,
Yes and I’ve seen the exact same from you on numerous occassions. kettle meet the pot.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:19 pm
Righty — “Heck, no one in this country thought health care should be an entitlement until we started electing socialist marxist nazis to public office.”
Don’t forget about stealth Moozlim Kenyans.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:20 pm
Doom,
It really doesn’t matter — you are moving the goalposts. Your original point was that the 47% of people who don’t pay income taxes are Democrat voters.
An accusation that is impossible to measure. It is not a valid point at all.
This is what you wrote:
“But I would bet that the overwhelmingly number of those folks are Dem voters.”
You are one, basing your argument on a something on the national level, and maybe I shouldn’t have tried to counter it with a State level statistic, but honestly it was the only thing I could think of to counter such blatant hyperbole on your part.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:20 pm
Headline: “School Administrators Fear New Jersey Anti-Bullying Law Goes Too Far”
“Solvite a SALACO”
Bumper Sticker:
“Punch a Bully”
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
Doom — “Yes and I’ve seen the exact same from you on numerous occassions. kettle meet the pot.”
Difference is, I *ask* if you meant what I think you’re saying. You’ve *never* done it — you just jump to a conclusion and it’s off to the races.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
Talking Head,
I’m about to head out again shortly anyway before they can send the thought police after me.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:21 pm
Unless you’re a liberal I suppose.
You would be supposing wrong.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:22 pm
Adam,
All I am saying is that these are doomsday numbers. He can’t run on his record. He hasn’t accomplished anything except spend a lot of money that we don’t have and pass a health care bill that the majority of the electorate did not want. Rasmussen also said today that fully 62% of polled respondents want an immediate repeal of the health care bill. At least you liberals should give your kind a clear choice by putting Hillary into the mix. For all of her faults, she is a pretty savvy lady. Would like to see her run against Perry.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:23 pm
JAY
” A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign”
Call me cynical, then,..
Mr SNARKY
“Obama is horrible and Rick is AWESOME.”
I take it you like the butch type men more than the cerebral…
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:23 pm
I’m going to go ask Bernanke for a Ferrari. Liberals must believe in this thing called “Santa Claus Government”…..
So you’re a liberal, are ya.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
4:24 pm
They really are sick in the head.
ty webb
August 31st, 2011
4:24 pm
Jay,
this thing you’ve written, is absolutely dripping in “rah rah” wishful thinking…in that, obama’s gotten his foot soldiers fired up…and by the way, how do you type and wave your poms poms at the same time so well?
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Thanks / Bosch – you tired of switching back and forth yet?
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:12 pm
jm,
Yeah, and it’s hard to pursue happiness when your dead because you couldn’t afford a doctor.
Explain please how under Obamacare one can die even with free care because the care has to be pre approved by the “End of Life Panels”. Heck under Obamacare one could die while awaiting the End of Life Panel to decide what if any treatment will be approved or denied. Also note there is an exempt class of patients who will be allowed to be treated by the physician of their choice without interference by the End of Life Panels. Obama, his family, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and your favorite Congressman and Senator will be exempt as will the rich wall street fat cats.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
kayaker: He hasn’t accomplished anything except spend a lot of money that we don’t have and pass a health care bill that the majority of the electorate did not want.
He’s done more than that. Those are just the only things you know about because of where you get your information about what he has or hasn’t done, apparently.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:25 pm
Joe Mama,
Nope. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I’ve seen you leap to some conclusions yourself. You’re not perfect. None of us are. And as a matter of fact Bosch called me out on mind reading and then I reprinted the post where he himself posted that libs believe that people have a right to health care and cons are crazy for not believing it. I noticed he did not respond back to me on that point. He accused me of mind reading his views on whether health care is a “right”, I provided the post where he stated the liberal belief that health care is a right, and he is now silent on the subject. What more would you have me do Joe than to post his own words. And I asked him what statement is untrue about blacks and their voting preference for Dems or whether or not blacks as a percentage of their population have more people on welfare or not and I have yet to see him dispute whether or not those statements are true or not. There really is nothing to dispute. I got to get going soon though so I hope he responds quickly although I’m certainly not counting on it.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
Time to go home. I’m OUT!
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
Your tax dollars at work supporting the welfare kings at the Shanice Lockheed Martin Corporation, the Aliyah Northrup Grumman Corporation, the Imani Boeing Corporation, the Precious Raytheon Corporation, etc!
Panel tallies massive waste and fraud in wartime U.S. contracts
Washington (CNN) — A nonpartisan panel reporting to Congress says the United States is wasting $12 million a day among contracts issued in support of American efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Commission on Wartime Contracting spent the past three years documenting whether American funding went where it was supposed to.
Hey that’s only $8,333 per second in waste, fraud, abuse and corruption.
The panel issued 15 recommendations for contract reform, including hiring more auditors and analysts to make sure the U.S. gets what was paid for.
BUT they’ll be over-regulated!!!!
Disgraceful.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:26 pm
If the president is so easy to beat why do they have to keep rolling out puppet after puppet hoping someone will take hold?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:27 pm
Doom: If you can’t statistically understand why red states with higher populations of minorities- who tend to have significantly higher percentages of their populations on welfare, skews the overall numbers of people in their states on welfare then I just don’t know what to say to you
You can say, “Debbie, I have absolutely no idea what the hell i’m talking about! I just decided to make up none existent “statistics” (that I can’t prove and WON’T provide a link for), and when I’m challenged on said made up statistics, I pretend that the challenger is too stupid to understand something I just made up!! I think I’m pretty clever!”
You can start there and then work your way to “I’m sorry Debbie & Bosch. I just like to make crap up, it’s fun and it keeps me busy and distracts me for a few hours”.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:27 pm
“Explain please how under Obamacare one can die even with free care”
Mighty Righty,
Easy, there is no free care, so you don’t die with free care.
“because the care has to be pre approved by the “End of Life Panels””
That’s not in the law either, so the rest of your post is just hyperbolic blabbering.
Next!
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:29 pm
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:23 pm
Come on josef, quit telling us how smart Obama is and give us a few examples.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:29 pm
“I noticed he did not respond back to me on that point. He accused me of mind reading his views on whether health care is a “right”, I provided the post where he stated the liberal belief that health care is a right, and he is now silent on the subject.”
No, Doom, I’m silent because you didn’t just ask me what I thought, you went on that tirade about what I believe, you were wrong, by the way about most of it.
Again, if you want to discuss something, I’m more than happy to do it, but if you are going to post hyperbolic rants about what I believe you can play by yourself.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:30 pm
And Doom,
Instead of running to Joe Mamma you could have just directed that post to me.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:30 pm
I heard today that the Congressional Black Caucus may be a little upset about the new MLK, Jr. Memorial as his sculpture looks a little too “Asian” and the stone is “white”. Well, I don’t know who made the latter boo-boo but since it is my understanding the stone was carved by the Chicoms well ………………… you get what you pay for.
By the way, does anyone out there know if you can be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus is you are only 1/2 black? 1/4? 1/8?
What about if the majority of black voters in your Congrressional District voted for you but you are white?
Hummmmmm ……………………….
Just askin’
Jay
August 31st, 2011
4:32 pm
jm, three links in a single post = spam to the bluenose.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:32 pm
“And I asked him what statement is untrue about blacks and their voting preference for Dems or whether or not blacks as a percentage of their population have more people on welfare or not and I have yet to see him dispute whether or not those statements are true or not. ”
Doom,
Did you just glaze over my 4:20? Like I said, I’m not arguing that what you said there is true, but it doesn’t prove your original point earlier — it’s a false correlation.
jasper
August 31st, 2011
4:32 pm
Jay What does a more agressive Obama mean? that he is just confidently wrong? I will agree with you on your last sentiment, he does belong in the dog house. There’s just no substitute for leadership experience. Affirmative action failed him in that respect.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:33 pm
What questions someone asks tell much about their character.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
Righty, cons feigning that they respect intellect is a hoot. And a holler.
Millions of you dupes are gonna vote for a guy who had a whopping 2.5 GPA at Texas A & M…
ty webb
August 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
“What does a more agressive Obama mean?”
he’s going to form a “super duper” commission this time.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
So Donahue says the US should cut taxes on businesses more and spend more tax money on infrastructure. Too bad he did not offer any suggestions on what to cut in order to pay for these things.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
Bosch – Health care be expensive yo. The Mrs. had to go to the ER back in February, and we’re still paying for it. She had insurance (private) and we found out when we got there that it didn’t cover crap. So, $12,000 (so far) later, she’s got good insurance and we’re paying for our mistake. But I guess that is the difference between me and many of the others I saw at the ER that day (and the last time I was there), I’m finding a way to pay for the care we received, and owning up to the fact that my insurance (well, her insurance, my insurance rocks) didn’t pay for it. Having said that, I don’t believe the answer is a single payer system or anything of that nature. I think the groupings for people with pre-existing conditions are nice. However they don’t really do much, at least they didn’t for my wife. I think one answer, that to me is a good (start to a) solution is what I saw on the news the other night. Grady is opening clinics down the street from the ER that are for people with colds and what not to go to instead of the ER. They’re cheaper and should decrease wait times at the ER and for the people that come in that aren’t actually emergencies. Didn’t know it until this past Feb, but when you go to the ER with an actual emergency they charge (at least Wellstar does) a “emergency” fee to get you back more quickly. Crazyness.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
Doom — “Nope. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.”
We certainly shall.
“I’ve seen you leap to some conclusions yourself.”
I do, though I frequently *ask* people to clarify (I did it with Dusty just yesterday), and I even tell them up front ‘this is what I think you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s really what you meant to say.’ You *never* do anything like that, at least not that I’ve seen.
“You’re not perfect. None of us are.”
I’ve never represented myself as perfect or anything remotely like it. Your ego, however, has often been on display when you speak of yourself in the third person or liken yourself to an aircraft carrier. Face it, Doom, you’ve got a big, overfed ego. It’s not a very endearing quality.
“And as a matter of fact Bosch called me out on mind reading and then I reprinted the post where he himself posted that libs believe that people have a right to health care and cons are crazy for not believing it. I noticed he did not respond back to me on that point. He accused me of mind reading his views on whether health care is a “right”, I provided the post where he stated the liberal belief that health care is a right, and he is now silent on the subject.”
I’m speaking in general, not to this situation in particular.
“What more would you have me do Joe than to post his own words.”
You often do it, and that’s fine as far as it goes. But then you tell people — you’ve done it to me and to others — that we don’t mean what *we* say we meant — you tell us that we mean what *you* say we meant. I’ve *never* seen you ask someone to clarify themselves, though I have seen you frequently ask leading questions.
I think you’re a lot more interested in ‘winning’ online discussions than you are in actually *hearing* and *understanding* what others have to say. I think if you strove to hear and understand a bit more, you’d find a lot more common ground in here. On the occasions when *we* have *listened* to each other, we’ve found common ground ourselves.
Maybe you and I should both try to do that a little more often.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
KATY, the only Perry with anything to offer.
ragnar danneskjold
August 31st, 2011
4:35 pm
Since I skipped his last half dozen “major” speeches, I breathlessly await hearing what the community organizer in chief thinks would create an additional job or two in the private sector. Green energy jobs, yeah, that;t the ticket.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
4:36 pm
An article on the death panels which are not in Obamacare.
What is objectionable about the end-of-life regulation is that President Obama and his minions refused to defend it when it first became public and dropped it like a hot potato last year, only to sneak it back in under the cover of regulatory darkness this year. This is part of a broad pattern of opacity and deception, coming from the same White House that opened its visitor logs only after being forced to do so by Judicial Watch’s threat of continuing litigation, then began holding meetings with lobbyists and special interest groups in a nearby coffee bar to avoid disclosure. It comes from the same president who issues reports praising his administration for the amount of information it makes public under the Freedom of Information Act, but in fact pads the numbers by releasing as much irrelevant and unnecessarily redacted material as possible, as Bloomberg News discovered when it requested information on corporate welfare given to Citigroup.
Read more at the Washington Examiner:
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:36 pm
Bosch,
Perhaps it is not a proveable point that the majority of that 47% of people who aren’t paying federal taxes are Dem voters. But perhaps it logically is and is in fact a provable point- I don’t know because I don’t feel like doing a lot of research.
But there are a few things we know to be true. First of all most minorities vote Democrat. I don’t think that’s really in dispute is it? Minorities make less money than whites generally speaking, census data bears this out- Asians who constitute 3% of the population are of course the exception. If census data bears out that minorities and women, and especially single women with kids( these are core Democratic constitutencies), make less money than whites then is it not also a fair assumption that they comprise the majority of the 47% that don’t pay taxes? Is this not a fair assumption Bosch? And on this blog alone isn’t it always the liberal posters who dispute that 47% stat? Isn’t it the liberal posters on here who are sympathetic to the bottom 47%? Look at the posts on here today alone on this topic. Or any other day for that matter. I didn’t state it as unequivocal fact if you will notice. I just said I would be willing to bet this is true. And I think most people on here if they are honest would concurr that most likely the majority of those 47% who aren’t paying taxes probably vote Dem as opposed to Repub.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:38 pm
AmVet,
Perry has also been the governor of Texas for about 10 yrs now and has never lost an election. He flew C-130s in the Air Force which takes more than a little intelligence and he has a pretty good track record on the economy in Texas. You can dis him all you want but he is going to be your next president. Look at it this way….. it will give you something to complain about and God knows, you need something to complain about.
moonbat betty
August 31st, 2011
4:38 pm
Obama needs to pull a “Howard Dean” to get ‘em fired up.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:39 pm
TX unemployment up in July from June.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:39 pm
Thulsa,
You really just post whatever pops up in your brain, don’t you.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
yesterday I saw a bumber sticker that read: Ignore the Liberal Media. Why didn’t it just say; Ignore ALL Media? I mean, how is a person to know if MSNBC is liberal without not ignoring (tuning in). It’s not like Fox or CNBC advertise their “conservative bias”.
getalife
August 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
Joe Perry.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
4:40 pm
I think kayaker is in love. Can Rick Parry count on your vote.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:41 pm
There is a reason pilots get to fly C-130s instead of what they want to fly.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:41 pm
(ir)Rational — ” I think one answer, that to me is a good (start to a) solution is what I saw on the news the other night. Grady is opening clinics down the street from the ER that are for people with colds and what not to go to instead of the ER. They’re cheaper and should decrease wait times at the ER and for the people that come in that aren’t actually emergencies.”
Kaiser is developing 23-hour clinics to hold folks for observation who are pretty sick/injured, but not quite sick/injured enough to be admitted to a hospital.
On the topic of medical costs, Medical FSAs FTW. I consumed a bit over $100K in medical services, supplies and pharmaceuticals last year, and we only paid about $6200 out of pocket (almost all of which was defrayed by the FSA). If you can get one, do it.
Willie
August 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
Obama is going to get “tough” and give in to his far left inspired hatred for captialism and his overweening demand for more government spending. When did “tough” start to mean the same thing as stupid?
Atlas Shrugging
August 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
A riled up aggressive community organizer, in the words of Elmer Fudd, “how scaryweeeee”!
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:42 pm
“I don’t know because I don’t feel like doing a lot of research. ”
That’s all you had to say Doom. “I don’t know” is okay.
And that’s all perfectly logical to think that to back up your opinion, but again, it’s just that and not verifiable.
irRational,
We are in agreement with the clinics thing, maybe Pelosi should have consulted with us. I’ve often thought there should be a government funded clinic in every neighborhood in the country — one within walking distance — AND they should be renovated foreclosed homes. But again, nobody called.
“I’m finding a way to pay for the care we received”
That’s admirable. I’d do it too, but I have the resources to do it. Lots of people don’t.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
4:43 pm
Perry has also been the governor of Texas for about 10 yrs now and has never lost an election. He flew C-130s in the Air Force which takes more than a little intelligence and he has a pretty good track record on the economy in Texas.
That means he’s spent the better part of his adulthood suckling on the government teat. I thought that was something that the Conservative movement abhored, not something that was looked up to. Where is his private sector business credentials that are supposed to be so important? Why is the economy of TX going south while everyone else is creeping north?
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:43 pm
And I hope Mrs. irRational is doing much better.
1811/0311
August 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Saw this today:
“The American idea was for a Big God and small government. Now we have a small God and Big Government”.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
4:44 pm
Jefferson — “There is a reason pilots get to fly C-130s instead of what they want to fly.”
Yup. A high school buddy of mine went AFROTC, fully intending to fly fighter jets, or at least bombers. He wound up with C-130s and got out after eight years in uniform. Oh, well.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:45 pm
Joe – FSAs FTW? I’m lazy, please explain.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
moonbat betty
August 31st, 2011
4:45 pm
Obama needs to get in touch with his inner honey badger.
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:45 pm
Jay 4:32 – thx. I was afraid it was another “sweeTW*Ter beer” thing
Θ
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Granny godzilla = Lame.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia, 4:40,
Yep. Until something better comes along. Like I have said before, I don’t give a damn about his religion. He can be the Evangelical King of the world as long as he turns this economy around and puts people to work. And if he can repeal the 16th Amendment and get us a tax system that works I will count him as one of the great ones.
Brosephus
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
Joe Mama
Are the FSA’s the accounts where you can carry over to the next year? I know there’s two different types of accounts you can put money into for health care costs. I just don’t remember the difference between the two.
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
4:46 pm
I could have been a Phi Beta Kappa, if my grades were better…
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:47 pm
Bosch – She is. Would be doing even better if I were able to convince her to take her medicine on a semi-regular basis. But all in all, she is fine. Just an on-going (for about 7 years or so) issue that got more than a little out of hand a few months ago. Thanks for asking though.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
4:48 pm
Got obl, crushed aq, won Libya and battling the traitorous gop.
He is going to fight and crush the gop again.
Four more years.
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
August 31st, 2011
4:49 pm
“…he has a pretty good track record on the economy in Texas.”
Not so. He had Uncle Sugar bail out his $16,000,000,000.00 shortfall.
Like I said, even if he wins the nomination, he’ll be lucky to get the same number of electoral college votes as McCain.
i.e., he loses Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey and California.
DOA as the Uppity Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, Kenyan, Muslim Without a Birth Certificate juggernaut rolls along…
jm
August 31st, 2011
4:49 pm
Doom 4:36 – I disagree. First I think Bosch has a valid point, ultimately unknowable though your intuition may be correct.
Second, Latinos are relatively evenly split between D & R (at least relative to some other minorities), so that negates one point.
Thrice, I have no idea how Asians vote, but I wouldn’t make blanket statements about minorities too much, it can get tricky…..
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Enter your comments here
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Jefferson,
A good percentage of your commercial pilots airline are previous C-130 pilots.
Jay
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
No, Thulsa, that is not a fair assumption.
For example, a good chunk of that 47 percent are senior citizens who live solely or only on Social Security. Seniors trend Republican (they voted for McCain 53-45 percent, the reverse of the ‘08 results in the general population.)
Obama won 52-46 among those making more than $200K.
McCain won 51-47 among whites making less than $50k (they constituted 25 percent of total voting).
Obama won in every education category, doing particularly well among those with no HS diploma (63-35) and those with a postgrad degree (58-40).
Bottom line: I think it’s fair to say there are more Obama voters than McCain voters in that group, but I doubt it’s by an overwhelming margin.
jasper
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Jefferson, you don’t know a damn thing about flying C-130s. My dad got the choice and loved it. Long flights and fighting it the whole way. Thought the fly boys were just show offs.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
4:50 pm
Bosch – Didn’t read far enough up to see your other post. I agree, to an extent. In some rural areas, there is no way that idea would work. My parents live in a “community” that is spread over 5 counties in 2 states. Their nearest neighbor is something like 2 miles away (was closer, but he built a new house and tore down the old one). I guess the idea would work to have a clinic wherever there is a post office. As a refinement to your plan.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
4:51 pm
Doom: First of all most minorities vote Democrat.
Somebody better tell Clarence Thomas and that republican black guy running for pres that they vote Dem. (since they’re a minority and all).
If census data bears out that minorities and women, and especially single women with kids( these are core Democratic constitutencies), make less money than whites then is it not also a fair assumption that they comprise the majority of the 47% that don’t pay taxes?
You say you own your own business? Please tell me it’s not an accounting firm or a firm that deals in logistics and/or financial planning…..you are really bad with numbers dude, (unless of course those are some of your “made up” numbers). Did you even READ what you posted? You said minorities AND WOMEN make less than…… women come in all ethnicities, so in effect you just gave all women voters to the dems. Thanks!
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm
No josef,
I won’t do it and you can go SHUT UP!!
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm
I think you’re a lot more interested in ‘winning’ online discussions than you are in actually *hearing* and *understanding* what others have to say- Joe mama
Joe Mama,
I don’t want to be too critical and get into a lengthy tit for tat with you as we usually do. But suffice it to say that this exact same statement can be said of you. I’ve seen you argue every little sentence fragment in a battle of oneupmanship and you do this constantly. And I sincerely doubt that I’m the only one who has noticed this negative quality of yours. From my perspective its nothing short of breathtaking to hear that coming from you of all people. You are the one who has readily admitted to going onto other blogs specifically just to argue with con bloggers.
I will cede that you are right that perhaps both of us could do a better job of hearing and listening what others have to say. I think my issue is that I have a lack of patience when I see something that from my perspective is nothing short of asinine stupidity. I should definitely learn to have more patience with people. I’ve no problem with disagreement and I certainly don’t feel I have to win every online discussion. I have found that just about everyone on here I can find some common ground with except 2 people- you’re not one of the 2. And even though I disagree with Bosch today there are some things that I have seen him say that I do agree with. Same with you for that matter. Anyway, may we all continue to disagree but in an amicable manner. And Bosch is reading this while I disagree with him today its nothing personal- same with Debbiedoright and everyone else.
kayaker 71
August 31st, 2011
4:52 pm
AmVet,
I’ll make the same bet with you that I made with Brocephus. Perry will get elected and during the first three months of his first term, the unemployment rate will begin to drop. After the first year, it will be at 7% or lower. How ’bout it….. the coldest beer in Atlanta.
josef
August 31st, 2011
4:53 pm
Or here…whatever…
RIGHTY
I said cerebral…I didn’t say nuthin’ bout being intelligent or smart…:-)
And BTW, Imam, do Obama define “agressive” within the same perameters as “fierce?”