Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?
The medium is the message, as Marshall McLuhan taught us.
With that in mind, what should we make of the fact that President Obama has requested a joint session of Congress on the evening of Sept. 7 to lay out his jobs program?
The high-profile setting, with live coverage by the networks and news channels almost guaranteed, would suggest that Obama intends to be ambitious in his proposal. A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.
If Obama has decided to model his campaign on Harry Truman’s 1948 successful campaign, in which “Give ‘em Hell” Harry ran hard against a do-nothing Congress, this would seem to be a great opportunity to drive that message home.
Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:
“It is my intention to lay out a series of bipartisan proposals that the Congress can take immediately to continue to rebuild the American economy by strengthening small business, helping Americans get back to work and putting more money in the paychecks of the middle class and working Americans, while still reducing the deficit and getting our fiscal house in order. It is our responsibility to find bipartisan solutions to help grow our economy, and if we are willing to put country before party, I am confident we can do just that.”
The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.
Imagine that. One would almost think that Obama was using his power as president to steal the spotlight from his would-be challengers and remind them that he has no intention of being upstaged.
In a press briefing this afternoon, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked whether that was the intended message. You can guess his answer.
“No, of course not. There were a lot of considerations. Once you want to do a speech to Congress and you have to deal with congressional schedules and there are many other factors here … one debate of many that is on one channel of many was not enough reason not to have this speech at the time that we decided to have it.”
“There are many opportunities for the American people. There’s a choice they can make to watch the president, to watch the debate,” Carney said. “A network could make a decision to alter the timing of the debate by an hour.”
Or, in the immortal words of Hank Williams, “move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
– Jay Bookman
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Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Zap
““That’s the extent of your political analysis?”
Obama’s record is terrible, Paul. Jobs, etc are all in the tank.
Have fun making up excuses for him.”
You had quite a list of assertions at 2:11. I asked you to give some background and substance in my 2:28. I didn’t generate anything new or bring up a topic and ask you to comment.
There’s ‘won’t’ and there’s ‘can’t.’ I don’t think it’s a mystery what we’re dealing with here.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Zap — “Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible.”
Actually, if you actually look at the raw numbers from the BLS, President Obama’s done much better with a much worse start than President Bush had. Unfortunately, it’s not something that’s easily explainable and it doesn’t lend itself to a bumper sticker, so the ‘Bush was better for jobs’ meme will probably continue to live on.
mm
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
“Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible”
And he will still destroy which ever moron you folks nominate.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:41 pm
Bosch – I hope it works. I like being employed, and would like to remain that way. I’ll believe it isn’t politics when it happens, but want to believe it is real.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:42 pm
Left Wing,
“this center right president Obama represents a far left ideology”
Yeah, it’s weird when a moderate like Obama is considered far left to the righties. Just goes to show you just how right (and I don’t mean correct) the righties have gone.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:42 pm
bosch
Yeah, it’s a Lesser Answer kind of day, squirrel, tick, tick tick..
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
“And he will still destroy which ever moron you folks nominate.”
No he won’t.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
I guess in your world thinking an idea is good means you must support that idea even if it’s not what you thought it was going to be. Weird.
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
2:43 pm
Will someone please wake me-up when the ZIPSTER exits this blog?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
“moderate like Obama”
I got it now. MSNBC interns blog on Jay’s blog all day.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:44 pm
Joe – I thought I got the gears oiled properly. I’ll have to work on that.
Also, I am far from polite when I get upset, I just try to be. I blame my grandma and her hickory branches, they can teach anyone.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
Bosch
Gallop’s main website and a list of states by electoral votes….
and it flew over Zap’s head.
Sometimes it’s best to leave the chew toy under the sofa.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
Being a Marxist is right of center? Freaky.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
MIck,
I figure until the name changer gets banned, he’ll suck all the real discussion away with his…well, whatever it is he does. I can wait it out, it’s inevitable, we are going on four or five times now.
irRational,
Seriously, who is John Galt? Must I get out my google?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
You mean like Obama and Soros?
No, Zap. I mean these people Okay, so he’s got multiple sugar daddys.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:45 pm
Granny Godzilla
” I think he’s going to go with his 3 point shot…..”
Granny, He hasn’t made the two point shot yet….
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
Zap finally got something right, Obama probably won’t have to destroy whoever the Republicans nominate, they’ll probably destroy themselves. So sad that we can’t have a good candidate.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
“Gallop’s main website and a list of states by electoral votes”
Obama will lose those votes, cupcake.
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
MR: Obama is an idealogue not known for his flexibility.
What!!! Obama is so flexible he bent over and let the repubs keep their Bush Tax Cuts AND gave them darn near everything they asked for in Obamacare!! Not flexible? LOLOLOLOLOL
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
MR,
Funny you should call Obama a Marxist, when it’s the wingnuts here who hold in such high esteem an actual Marxist philosophy: cultural hegomeny. Google it just for fun….
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:47 pm
Yes Bosch, get our your Google. Or the copy of Atlas Shrugged I know you have tucked away behind all your other books.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:48 pm
Hi DDR!
“Paul, why bother? He doesn’t want to debate; he wants to belittle and sneer.”
’cause I’m stuck in this vortex and SoCom isn’t around to trade places with me…..
out of the blue 2:40
That was great! Hope Mitt Romney uses it in the debate -
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
“So sad that we can’t have a good candidate”
irRational,
It’s y’all’s time for a John Kerry.
Actually I’ve always thought we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-sense. It seems to me the first term the POTUS just kind of holds back and hopes he gets re-elected, and the second term he really starts to go, but then it’s only four years. If they could just have one six year term, I think alot of this gridlock would change.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
Zap does simplify the debating process.
No he won’t.
Yes he will.
No he won’t.
Yes he will.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:49 pm
I am not sure the Republicans need worry about running against Obama. Democrats are famous for throwing their losers under the bus.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:50 pm
Joe Mama
Zap — “Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible.”
” Actually, if you actually look at the raw numbers from the BLS, President Obama’s done much better with a much worse start than President Bush had. Unfortunately, it’s not something that’s easily explainable and it doesn’t lend itself to a bumper sticker, so the ‘Bush was better for jobs’ meme will probably continue to live on.”
Joe, Did you forget 9/11, that changed the way we and a lot of the World lives and it wasn’t cheap.Just sayin….
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:52 pm
Bosch
“So sad that we can’t have a good candidate”
irRational,
” It’s y’all’s time for a John Kerry. Actually I’ve always thought we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-sense. It seems to me the first term the POTUS just kind of holds back and hopes he gets re-elected, and the second term he really starts to go, but then it’s only four years. If they could just have one six year term, I think alot of this gridlock would change.”
Bosch, Thank you for admitting that Obama just sits back, maybe there’s hope for you yet!
JohnnyReb
August 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
I have posted many times here that Obama’s arrogance will be his undoing. A joint session is not appropriate. Scheduling a speech in conflict with the Republican debate shows both arrogance and no class. He, and obviously his advisors, are fools of the highest order.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
**Democrats are famous for throwing their losers under the bus**
Too funny…remember 08? Republicans didn’t invite the leader of their party to their convention, he was that toxic, so toxic he was banished to a leper colony and had to video email his image. How quickly they forget…
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:53 pm
Zap: They have my vote. Obama’s “plans” are non-existent. He hasn’t once led on anything.
Now that’s funny. You’ll fall in line with the rest of the “Wehre’s your plan” people once he shows his plan. Or you can continue to try this “where’s your plan” game when the plan is staring you in the face. And let’s not forget, this president likes to put things on the internet. So once he releases his plan, feel free to ask where it is, and I will gladly link you to it, every single time you ask.
Be careful, the backlash to the backlash to the backlash is coming!
he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.
Again, think twice before touting Libya as something to use AGAINST Obama. He’ll beat back, with a big heavy “no lives lost and it didn’t take 10 years” stick.
Blaming Bush will not get O re-elected.
And yelling “Anyone but Obama” will not get him un-elected.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
AngryMobVoter: What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES
Oh I can’t wait until you see a plan that does not have those things coming from Obama. What will you say then? “Where’s your plan?”
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
That’s not a bad idea Bosch. I personally think all politicians should have term limits, but then again, I don’t trust them. Get them in for 6 years, let them know up front they won’t be running for re-election, and see what they do. On the other note, I don’t want a John Kerry. No thank you. Can’t we skip this one and save that for the future? Like the next time y’all have a Bill Clinton in office?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:54 pm
Bosch: Well, at least the “but it’s not on PAPER” crowd can rest easy…
Srsly. Like I said, those people will turn into “That plan sucks” people, and they wont’ even know what’s in it. I predict lots of propaganda machine backflips to turn it into a socialist plan that only taxes the rich and spends too much, even if it does neither of those things. It probably will suggest spending, but I bet it includes tax CUTS rather than tax increases. I think he’s banking on the Republicans having no hostage to take in the debate over the Bush Tax Cuts and he’s already indicated he will veto any extension that includes the rich, even if it also includes the poor and middle class.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Debbie, I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare, care to rethink that statement?
Paul
August 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
Zap
“I got it now. MSNBC interns blog on Jay’s blog all day.”
You may want to consider Jay’s 2:00 “Discuss the issues, rather than other bloggers, is the main rule, Zap. And yes, things did a bit out of control at the end of that previous thread, but you were not exactly the blameless victim in that.” as a warning.
just sayin’ -
Mick
August 31st, 2011
2:55 pm
reb
Now wait just a minute, what do both sides agree is the most important issue today? Jobs, jobs, jobs, what is wrong with getting the whole fam dam gov’t together and staring the issue down? That debate is meaningless at this point..
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
“Thank you for admitting that Obama just sits back”
poison,
No projection from you please. That’s not what I wrote. It’s been that way for the past two termers in the past 30 years. The first four years they all hold back, and the second term, when they don’t have to worry about re-election, they focus more on what they really want to accomplish. It’s really the problem in all of politics, policy is dictated by opinion polls instead of what’s good for the people.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:56 pm
“Wehre’s your plan”
Another rat voter who has grammar issues.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
Sorry, the “no lives lost” part should say “no AMERICAN lives lost”
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
“You may want to consider Jay’s 2:00 “Discuss the issues, rather than other bloggers, is the main rule, Zap.”
Tell that to Bosch, Mick, Adam etc, Paul.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
2:57 pm
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
2:46 pm
MR: Obama is an idealogue not known for his flexibility.
What!!! Obama is so flexible he bent over and let the repubs keep their Bush Tax Cuts AND gave them darn near everything they asked for in Obamacare!! Not flexible? LOLOLOLOLOL
Debbie, lay off the sauce. Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare. Not one vote in the house. Not one vote in the Senate. The Bush tax cuts approved by Obama which he now brags about, were the result of compromise, bipartisianship which his highness will be asking for in his speech to the nation. It is the only compromise I know of in nearly three years.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
“And yelling “Anyone but Obama” will not get him un-elected.”
No one is saying that. Perry will be the winner.
Joe Mama
August 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
p. pen — “Joe, Did you forget 9/11, that changed the way we and a lot of the World lives and it wasn’t cheap.Just sayin….”
Didn’t forget it at all. The raw numbers from the BLS show how many net jobs were created each month under Presidents Bush and Obama. Economists agree that jobs have to be constantly created to keep up with American population growth (births, immigration) and the higher number of people entering the workforce (reaching working age) than leaving it (retiring, etc). They vary on the exact number, but the one I see cited most often is ~1.8 million jobs a year, or about 150,000 new jobs a month. If more are created, then unemployment is decreasing. If fewer jobs are created, then there aren’t enough jobs for the new people coming into the workforce and unemployment is increasing.
I can post the link and point you to the numbers if you want. Here’s what you’ll see.
Both Presidents came into office with bad job creation numbers. Obama inherited a much worse situation (in terms of job destruction) than Bush did. Obama got a net positive (a month over 150,000) faster than Bush did, though, and had a string of positive months faster than Bush did. There are other things you can derive from the data, but I wanted to give you examples of what you can find pretty readily.
Would you care to have a look at the numbers for yourself?
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
2:58 pm
Congress should be on their knees crying…
Adam
August 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
Zap: Another rat voter who has grammar issues.
You’re right, you haven’t been here long. We decided long ago that misspellings and grammar errors did not invalidate someone’s point. Nice try at avoidance though. If that’s your best counter-argument, consider that you have no argument.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
“I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare”
poison pen,
Have you had a stroke that has effected the part of your brain that controls memory?????
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
2:59 pm
“We decided long ago that misspellings and grammar errors did not invalidate someone’s point.”
I didn’t know that this was a democracy blog. Where’s the polling results?
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty
Can you say Romneycare?
(GOP had nothing to do with healthcare bill….I scoff at you)
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Duck head, I say duck head…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
“Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare.”
That’s just nuts — other than the fact that it was modeled on Republican ideas???
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty: Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Gotta love it when people don’t realize where much of the idea came from. Especially that supposedly unconstitutional part.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
“Congress should be on their knees crying…”
Crying in laughter at how much of a joke Obama is.
Zap Rowsdower
August 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
“other than the fact that it was modeled on Republican ideas???”
Is that you Ed Shultz?
Mick
August 31st, 2011
3:01 pm
Zap, you are that kid in school who buts in, instigates, then blames everyone else for picking on you. You never learned about kindness or manners, you get what you give….
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
3:02 pm
” we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-senThat would fix alot of this political non-sense. It seems to me the first term the POTUS just kind of holds back and hopes he gets re-elected,”
Bosch, Did someone hijack your name at 2:49 pm today?
Do you even remember what you wrote? it sure looks like you wrote it.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:03 pm
/ignore. There’s really no point. Just like Perry, he’ll destroy himself.
Carry on.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
Here are but a few of the GOP healthcare initiatives:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:04 pm
Adam –AngryMobVoter: What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES
Oh I can’t wait until you see a plan that does not have those things coming from Obama. What will you say then? “Where’s your plan?”
I will be speechless. I don’t think Obama has the intelectual ability to come up with a plan of any kind that doesn’t require billions more in spending.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:05 pm
Zap
“Tell that to Bosch, Mick, Adam etc, Paul.”
After your 2:56 “Another rat voter who has grammar issues.” I think it more important to relay it to you.
“Perry will be the winner.”
What has Gov Perry done at the state level you think would translate well to the national level?
High school graduation rates? (results are up but it’s still pathetic)
State budget surplus? Oops…. there’s that $20 billion plus deficit.
Cutting federal spending? Wait… he took all the Obamadollars he could then sued for more…
Population wellness?
Environmental record?
’cause he’d support states if they wanted to secede?
His record of avoiding the press for indepth questioning (a characteristic some refer to as cowardice).
Abdication of personal responsibility and shifting blame to others? (his “don’t blame me, blame the school board” when districts were facing teacher layoffs when he cut billions from education)
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
poison,
What in the world are you blabbing about?
John Birch
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch – The first term is all abpout reelection and the second is about legacy. Haven’t been paying attention have you?
Logical Dude
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Zap: Another rat voter who has grammar issues.
Not quite “bedwetting liberal zombie kisser”, but you’re getting there.
poison pen
August 31st, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch
“I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare”
poison pen,
” Have you had a stroke that has effected the part of your brain that controls memory?????”
Bosch, I remember Pelosi having the meetings with her people on Obamacare, please tell us what republicans were in that meeting and what they contributed????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:07 pm
Mighty Righty: I don’t think Obama has the intelectual ability to come up with a plan of any kind that doesn’t require billions more in spending.
Do you? What is your jobs plan? Remove regulations and taxes? How has that worked so far?
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
Again Doom, you are pulling stats out of thin air. I think we have established here many times that there are more whites on welfare (at least in this State) than their are minorities.
In either case, you will never be able to back up your opinion on actual data. It’s just your hunch — it’s what you want it to be.- Bosch
Bosch,
Looks like I have to come by and help you out with your statistical analysis and thinking skills. The last I saw there are more whites on welfare rolls than blacks. The official tally was that of all welfare recipients 38% were white,37% black, 20% Hispanic, etc.
What you need help with is understanding stats. While there are more whites on welfare there are also about 6 1/2 times more whites as blacks so as a % of their population there are far less whites than blacks on welfare. And in the southern red states such that I mentioned it is a fact that blacks comprise a much greater % of the population than in many northeastern blue states such as Conn, Mass, for example. Hence the red state stats regarding the number of residents on welfare is skewed. And its not my opinion Bosch its a fact backed up by census data. And common sense too.
I can’t figure out if you’re just being intentionally dishonest or if your math and statistics skills are so appallingly lacking that you can’t comprehend this. Which is it Bosch?
out of the blue
August 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
The mighty man … posits “I am not sure the Republicans need worry about running against Obama. Democrats are famous for throwing their losers under the bus.
Oh, would that be like Cheney; Who is taking the whirlaround tour…protecting his own ass while
throwing Bush, Powell, Rice etal under the bus.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:08 pm
poison,
Well, I don’t know what Repubs were in those meetings, but hundreds of their amendments were incorporated into the law. I mean, you are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.
Mick
August 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
paul
Another well delivered lesson on complex issues don’t have simple answers, plus fact versus fiction regarding perry and texas. Carry on good man…
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
“Looks like I have to come by and help you out with your statistical analysis and thinking skills”
Annnnddddd….I stop reading.
Doom, if you want to discuss, discuss, but if you want to be an arrogant ass hole, I’m not participating today.
Granny Godzilla
August 31st, 2011
3:09 pm
Has anybody been following that Teaparty deal in Iowa….
O’Donnell, Palin, invited, disinvited, invited, disinvited…
What’s up with that?
Jimmy62
August 31st, 2011
3:10 pm
So rather than doing what’s best for the country, Obama is doing what’s best for him. Making decisions for political reasons. Just what the GOP is accused of doing all the time. The difference is that Obama actually does it, the GOP just gets accused of doing it.
moonbat betty
August 31st, 2011
3:11 pm
I just blew chunks of my liver and onions sandwich all over the monitor and I don’t have any screen cleaner!
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
And I know a big difference in philosophies between conservatives and liberals is the idea that healthcare is a “right” vs. a “privledge.” And to me anyone who thinks that healthcare is a privledge is just simply nuts.- Bosch
Translation? Bosch thinks that he has a right to make a claim on the labor of people in the medical community such as doctors, nurses, etc. in the name of having a “right” to health care. And this “right” that Bosch believes he has to guaranteed health care is to be born out and paid for by other people.
There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib. A lib believes he has a right to make a claim on the labor of others for what he thinks he has a “right” to and to have that “right” paid for by other taxpayers. It doesn’t get any more disturbing than that.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Thulsa Doom: And in the southern red states such that I mentioned it is a fact that blacks comprise a much greater % of the population than in many northeastern blue states such as Conn, Mass, for example.
I find this particular data point fascinating. Large black populations, and yet somehow with a voting record of close to 90% for Democrats, those states are still red. Yet the opposite is true in “white” states. Someone should figure out why this is. My guess would be that probably most of the red states are full of rural districts, and a good portion of the black population is concentrated in metropolitan areas that get typically zoned into their own tiny surface area of a district. I could be wrong though.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:00 pm
Mighty Righty: Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Gotta love it when people don’t realize where much of the idea came from. Especially that supposedly unconstitutional part.
Adam, nice try. You know Obamacare is a financial and quality disaster so you want to spread the blame around. No chance. It was planned designed, written and passed without any Republican input and not one single vote in either house. It is a disaster conceived and born of liberal stupidity. If ever there should have been an abortion Obamacare was the result of the Democrat rape of the american people.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
Bosch,
I’m sorry but its hard to have a discussion with you when you can’t seem to fathom the simplest statistical concepts.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
Jimmy62: So rather than doing what’s best for the country, Obama is doing what’s best for him. Making decisions for political reasons. Just what the GOP is accused of doing all the time. The difference is that Obama actually does it, the GOP just gets accused of doing it.
Would you like me to start listing some of the ways the GOP does projection way more, and better, than Obama?
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
3:13 pm
“Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?”
Oh, is Michelle getting involved?
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
Zap,
Your “style” seems vaguely familiar. Are you sure that you have not posted here in the past.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
“There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib.”
The biggest difference I see is that cons think they can read minds and have a dangerous habit of speaking as to what others believe and instead of just asking they go off on these weird diatribes outlining their own projections onto others.
How strange.
Again, Doom, if you want to discuss, discuss, don’t be an ass hole.
Paul
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
Thulsa Doom
“There ya have it! The difference between a con and a lib. A lib believes he has a right to make a claim on the labor of others for what he thinks he has a “right” to and to have that “right” paid for by other taxpayers. It doesn’t get any more disturbing than that.”
I know, I know!!! It’s almost as disturbing as all those cons who think their kids have a right to a free education paid for largely by someone else!!!!!
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:14 pm
Mighty Righty: It was planned designed, written and passed without any Republican input
Live in your fantasy world if you want to. The facts don’t agree with you. Pay attention to Bosch’ posts to find actual data.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
obama is going to get turned down
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
GG – Who cares? I stopped caring about Iowa when the beat the pants off the Jackets a couple of years ago.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
Well Doom, if you’d start your posts off in a civil tone and ask me what I think instead of being a pompous jerk, we might get some where.
Mighty Righty
August 31st, 2011
3:15 pm
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:12 pm
Great analogy.
Thulsa Doom
August 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
Adam,
Still waiting on your empirical proof and evidence that the “majority” of the 47% of the people who do not pay federal taxes outside of FICA do not pay those taxes because they lost their jobs and now work lower paying jobs. You provided 2 links both of which do not prove your bogus point. They don’t even come close to proving it. I’ll just take it that you just made that stat up in your own mind, decided it must be true because you think its true, and be done with it.
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:16 pm
Paul: What, like student vouchers? SURELY NOT!
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:17 pm
“move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”
Big dog’s not even going to be allowed on the playground. He’s trying to play a big card. I’m betting Boehner will say no, not doable.
Left wing management
August 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
Being a Marxist is right of center? Freaky.
Like I said, to the rube mind, this stuff makes perfect sense.
Not capable of thinking history.
jm
August 31st, 2011
3:18 pm
poison pen 3:06
“?????????????????…”
with all due respect to PP, question mark abuse just occurred…..
stands for decibels
August 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
For the “not one single GOP vote was cast for the ACA” folks, and others suffering from memory loss…
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/senate-finance-committee-approves-health-care-bill/story?id=8817603
Adam
August 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
Thulsa Doom: Alright, I’ll speak to your point. No I don’t have absolute proof that a majority lost their jobs and do not pay taxes now because of that. Instead, I have evidence that they are the “working poor” because they don’t make enough to qualify for tax liability. So if you go back to those two links, I think you’ll find they prove that point, which is another that you disputed. But you win as far as what I said about people losing jobs and getting paid less in the sense I don’t have proof. That doesn’t invalidate the fact that 47% are the working poor.
Now, since I have spoken to TWO of your points from before, kindly speak to mine. And no, I don’t mean the working poor thing or the concession I just made on your other point.
(ir)Rational
August 31st, 2011
3:19 pm
Just to throw a wrench in your arguments, aren’t government schools paid for through property taxes?Alright, continue with your usual arguing.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
getalife
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
That is just pp having another meltdown.
Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Thulsa,
Here are some details on those “47 percenters”, if you are truly interested.
Bosch
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
“Mighty Righty: It was planned designed, written and passed without any Republican input ”
Adam,
Well how nice of those Democrats, they put all those Republican amendments in the healthcare law all by themselves!
Tommy Maddox
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Oh, a Committee vote; how did Olympia vote in the Chamber?
DebbieDoRight
August 31st, 2011
3:21 pm
Hi Paul!!
’cause I’m stuck in this vortex and SoCom isn’t around to trade places with me…..
SoCo is somewhere plotting the downfall of Auburn’s 2010 Championship by sending angry letters and emails to the NCAA. I keep telling him to just let it go, but he won’t rest until Auburn’s victory is totally obliterated from the books.
Bosch: Actually I’ve always thought we should change the terms of the POTUS, to one six year term. That would fix alot of this political non-sense.
That’s actually a great idea. However, as you know, Congress would NEVER vote to put it into action. They’d rather slit their opponents’ throats first.
Adam: Like I said, those people will turn into “That plan sucks” people, and they wont’ even know what’s in it
And that’s the sad part. They’ll listen to some soundbites on television, listen to tv and radio pundits and NEVER read the dang thing for themselves.
MR: Debbie, lay off the sauce. Republicans had nothing to do with Obamacare. Not one vote in the house. Not one vote in the Senate. The Bush tax cuts approved by Obama which he now brags about
My God this is a sad day for the public school sysems!! Even MORE revionist history M.R.?
A: Obama wasn’t even a SENATOR when the Bush tax cuts passed.
B: No the republicans, following the orders exquisitely, didn’t vote for the bill. However to say that they had “nothing to do with it” is ridiculously obscene. 1/3 of the bill has republican suggestions in it. The bill was modeled off of Romney’s Massachussetts bils (Romney is a repub).
They hypocrisy of the Repubs is very clear in the bill. They made suggestions, the Dems put those suggestions into the bill and then the repubs STILL voted “NO”. Why Obama continued to try and reason with these clowns after that is beyond me.
poison: Debbie, I believe that the repubs were shut out of Obamacare, care to rethink that statement?
See my answer to M.R. above. ^^^^
Paulo977
August 31st, 2011
3:22 pm
Jefferson
August 31st, 2011
2:02 pm
The GOP should be exposed as obstrustionists with hopes and desires to strip people of their SS and Medicare benifits they paid for. Point blank range.
Right on target!!!