Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?

The medium is the message, as Marshall McLuhan taught us.

With that in mind, what should we make of the fact that President Obama has requested a joint session of Congress on the evening of Sept. 7 to lay out his jobs program?

The high-profile setting, with live coverage by the networks and news channels almost guaranteed, would suggest that Obama intends to be ambitious in his proposal. A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.

If Obama has decided to model his campaign on Harry Truman’s 1948 successful campaign, in which “Give ‘em Hell” Harry ran hard against a do-nothing Congress, this would seem to be a great opportunity to drive that message home.

Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:

“It is my intention to lay out a series of bipartisan proposals that the Congress can take immediately to continue to rebuild the American economy by strengthening small business, helping Americans get back to work and putting more money in the paychecks of the middle class and working Americans, while still reducing the deficit and getting our fiscal house in order. It is our responsibility to find bipartisan solutions to help grow our economy, and if we are willing to put country before party, I am confident we can do just that.”

The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.

Imagine that. One would almost think that Obama was using his power as president to steal the spotlight from his would-be challengers and remind them that he has no intention of being upstaged.

In a press briefing this afternoon, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked whether that was the intended message. You can guess his answer.

“No, of course not. There were a lot of considerations. Once you want to do a speech to Congress and you have to deal with congressional schedules and there are many other factors here … one debate of many that is on one channel of many was not enough reason not to have this speech at the time that we decided to have it.”

“There are many opportunities for the American people. There’s a choice they can make to watch the president, to watch the debate,” Carney said. “A network could make a decision to alter the timing of the debate by an hour.”

Or, in the immortal words of Hank Williams, “move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”

– Jay Bookman

946 comments Add your comment

Logical Dude

August 31st, 2011
1:53 pm

Nope, no politics here! Move along!

Cupcake

August 31st, 2011
1:54 pm

It’s all the cupcakes fault.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm

“Are we about to see a more aggressive Obama?”

The last time he was aggressive, it cost the Dems the Senate.

2012 – End of an error.

Left wing management

August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm

Give em hell you good Kenyan socialist you!

mm

August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm

“The timing of the speech is also interesting. As it happens, the first in a series of debates among the GOP presidential candidates, this one to be broadcast on MSNBC and held at the Reagan Library in California, is scheduled for 8 p.m. Wednesday, the exact time requested by Obama.”

Well, the wingnuts are going to watch the debate anyway. So at least he gets to appeal to the indies and the lefties that have given up on him.

Joe Mama

August 31st, 2011
1:55 pm

I don’t see it, Jay. I don’t think he’s going to become aggressive because it’s not his style. He’s good at the quiet rope-a-dope strategy, and it seems to work for him (somewhat), so I don’t see him changing up strategy at this late date.

I read this as a campaign kickoff, as you suggest.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
1:56 pm

Jay, I do have a question for you. Being a new blogger to your blog, what will get a person banned? I had a few bloggers talk about my manhood etc and these same folks claimed that I would get banned.

Help a man out.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
1:57 pm

“move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”

Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
1:57 pm

Whatever President Obama offers, I’m sure the Republicans will be whining to us about how terrible it is and how it will destroy jobs and how they simply must cut taxes and eliminate regulations if we are to ever have any chance of surviving as our founding fathers intended. :lol:

Jay

August 31st, 2011
2:00 pm

Discuss the issues, rather than other bloggers, is the main rule, Zap. And yes, things did a bit out of control at the end of that previous thread, but you were not exactly the blameless victim in that.

Peadawg

August 31st, 2011
2:01 pm

As long as whatever new spending bill he proposes has corresponding cuts elsewhere to pay for it, I’ll give it a chance. If it’s just straight spending/tax incentives then no.

Granny Godzilla

August 31st, 2011
2:01 pm

I think he’s going to go with his 3 point shot…..

Jefferson

August 31st, 2011
2:02 pm

The GOP should be exposed as obstrustionists with hopes and desires to strip people of their SS and Medicare benifits they paid for. Point blank range.

mm

August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm

“Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.”

Too funny.

Ondray

August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm

move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.” …… Those are the words of Hank Williams Sr not Jr.

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm

Jay: A more cynical mind would also note that Obama might be treating this as the kickoff to his 2012 election campaign, using the speech to lay out a series of proposals and publicly challenge a highly unpopular Congress to adopt them.

I’m cynical. IMO He’s kicking off his 2012 Campaign.

getalife

August 31st, 2011
2:03 pm

I think the gop house will vote no on his plan.

He needs a new house.

It is up to the American people.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:04 pm

The timing and the forum point to something out of the ordinary. The ‘this is the treatment for a disease’ traditional efforts have not worked as hoped. Republicans haven’t offered anything of substance – no reliance on classical practices – just sound bites and surface rhetoric. So it’s on Pres Obama to push it, hard, and to challenge Congress and the opposition party.

I’d guess we’ll see some traditional methods proposed, but more aggressively portrayed and as dependent for success on other proposals. I’m guessing we also may see a recitation of facts, as we’ve seen in past threads, regarding corporate profit levels, job creation under Bush vs job creation under Obama, relative tax burdens, that sort of thing. Facts that can be compared to assertions put forth in the Republican debate.

Much as I dislike nicknames for political leaders, I can see “Give’em Hell, Barry” in our future.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:04 pm

“but you were not exactly the blameless victim in that.”

Never claimed to be. I just want to know the boundaries.

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
2:05 pm

I think President Obama should toss a bone to the Republicans and offer to cut medicare expenditures by $1.00 for every $10 they raise taxes on the wealthiest or even offer to cut taxes by $1.00 for every $10 they cut from the DoD budget. The only caveat being that the Republicans must vote unanimously in favor of said offers or no deal.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:06 pm

“The GOP should be exposed as obstrustionists”

They have my vote. Obama’s “plans” are non-existent. He hasn’t once led on anything.
BTW, what’s an “obstrustionists?”

stands for decibels

August 31st, 2011
2:06 pm

I can see “Give’em Hell, Barry” in our future.

“I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.”

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:07 pm

Joe; He’s good at the quiet rope-a-dope strategy, and it seems to work for him (somewhat), so I don’t see him changing up strategy at this late date.

I like the reference to the rop-a-dope strategy. However, if I remember correctly, rope-a-dope is one of the things that critics say contributed to Ali’s Parkinsons.

IMO Obama should try and get back his base. You can’t win without your base supporting you.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:07 pm

mm

““Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.”

Too funny.”

It wasn’t funny to the taxpayers of Texas when the governor’s mansion needed work and Gov Perry decided anything cheaper than a $10,000 a month rental (and we’re talking Texas rental prices) just wouldn’t do.

Logical Dude

August 31st, 2011
2:08 pm

Zap, generally, you see people get a warning. . . or multiple warnings.

But yes, it’s better to discuss the issues than say things like:
“Well of course only a liberal bedwetting zombie kisser would think that”
or
“I would expect a neo-con laserblasting kneecap sniffer like you to spew such nonsense”

Left wing management

August 31st, 2011
2:08 pm

Zapped : ““move over little dog, because the big dog’s movin’ in.”

Yep, Rick Perry will be moving in next year.”

In 2013 the nation becomes one giant hydrant.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:09 pm

“It wasn’t funny to the taxpayers of Texas when the governor’s mansion needed work and Gov Perry decided anything cheaper than a $10,000 a month rental (and we’re talking Texas rental prices) just wouldn’t do.”

How many terms has Perry served?

Yep, that’s what I thought. Texas is the fastest growing state in the union.

Bye bye, O.

Willie

August 31st, 2011
2:10 pm

If Obamagives into the lefties and brings us a bloated, union pandering, make work, budget busting “jobs” bill then you know that he is only seriouse about his far left ideology, not about the country. His leftie supporters want an stem winding, class warfare stump speech. If all he has is more of the same ecnonomy strangling regulation and risk chilling rhetoric then his time in office will be drawing to a close. If he talks about creating opportunity for businesses to make money, applauds risk taking whether it’s in favored sectors or not, if he holds off on even more job killing regulation, if he gets serious about fixing our debt, then the republicans might have a fight on their hands.

carlosgvv

August 31st, 2011
2:10 pm

Imagine that New Jersey winds up being even more severely damaged by Irene than is now the case. Then imagine, when Congress goes back into session, those Tea Party nuts refusing to give FEMA any more money without cuts somewhere else. Finally, imagine Gov. Chris Christie facing down those Tea Party fanatics in a hearing. Gov. Christie not only is very intelligent but, when necessary, he has a temper like a hand grenade. Now, imagine Obama facing those same Tea Party people. Sometimes, you have to be very aggressive and I’m not certain Obama has it in him.

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
2:11 pm

Let’s see. Obama’s approval rating was at something like 38% while Congress’s was at about 12%. The Republicans should go for it. Pull out all the stops. Just say no to everything and object to anything. What have they got to lose — 12 percent. That’s nothin.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:11 pm

Zap

“BTW, what’s an “obstrustionists?”

That’s another thing you’ll find about this blog. Most here ignore typos and don’t try to puff themselves up at the expense of others by pointing out misspellings. We tend to concentrate on concepts implied in posts and let the keyboard actuator input errors slide -

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:11 pm

Paul

Taxpayers didn’t like what they saw in Obamacare and booted the Dems out of office in 2010.

Obama has nothing to run on. His jobs record is horrible, we now have a AA rating, the stock market is crap and he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.

What’s he gonna run on?

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:12 pm

“We tend to concentrate on concepts implied in posts and let the keyboard actuator input errors slide ”

I had to wipe my computer screen from all the coffee that I spit out from laughing so hard at how ridiculous that statement is.

(ir)Rational

August 31st, 2011
2:12 pm

getalife – You and I couldn’t agree more. Obama does need a new house, and it is up to the American people. Oh, you were talking about The House? I was talking about his residence.

Seeing how he set the speech for the time when the debate was, after the debate was scheduled, it seems that maybe he is kicking off his campaign and trying to upstage the Republicans. As it stands, I’ll probably watch the President just to see if he will actually say something that could be useful. But that is just me. Not that it really matters, because it isn’t like I’ll vote for him anyway, and there will be other debates.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

(ir)Rational

August 31st, 2011
2:14 pm

Zap – Just to correct something you said there, I would guess that currently North Dakota is the fastest growing state in the country right now.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:15 pm

carlos: Now, imagine Obama facing those same Tea Party people. Sometimes, you have to be very aggressive and I’m not certain Obama has it in him.

I think everyone has it in them when their backs are against the wall. I’m just hoping he knows that his back is against the wall and it’s time to come out swinging. People will cheer for the under dog but nobody likes a wimp.

Granny Godzilla

August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm

” I would guess ”

Might want to look that up. More people moved to Texas last year, and now, than any other state.

Logical Dude

August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm

Oh Zap,
You make it too easy.

“His jobs record is horrible, we now have a AA rating, the stock market is crap and he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.”
The country was losing almost half a million jobs a month when Obama got into office. We are now flat and/or making slight gains in jobs. That is a huge turnaround.
AA (plus?) rating is not just Obama’s doing, it’s been in the making for 20 years.
Stock Market is volatile, but somehow the companies are posting record profits.
You don’t just stop 2 wars on a dime, you have to have strategy to do it. Libya was an alliance event with NATO. Obama didn’t just run off on a whim and start a war.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:16 pm

Zap

“How many terms has Perry served?”

Many factors contribute to that.

One is straight-ticket voting.

The other is, Texas has a large voter population who will vote for any Republican over any Democrat, period. It’s just the way it is in Texas.

getalife

August 31st, 2011
2:17 pm

He will force the gop to vote no on infrastructure to lose more jobs.

His plan will force them to vote no on creating jobs.

He will force the gop candidates to articulate their plan with details.

Time to play some hard core politics.

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:17 pm

Pull out all the stops. Just say no to everything and object to anything. What have they got to lose — 12 percent. That’s nothin.

Too funny!

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:17 pm

Logical Dude

So he’s gonna run on blaming Bush?

AngryMobVoter

August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm

The Republicans in Congress should boycott this speech. This is another example of dirty politics by Obama.

All Obama is interesting doing is campaigning to the detriment of the American people. Scheduling this at the same time as the debate proves it. And we thought Nixon was bad…

What Obama is going to do is make a bunch of proposals including more RECKLESS SPENDING and TAX INCREASES that he knows cannot pass the House. Then he will use that outcome to campaign indicating the Republicans are not working to fix the economy. This is DIRTY POLITICS of the highest order. Obama is putting his reelection AMBITION ahead of what is good for the country. Getting elected is more important than the SUFFERING of the American people to Obama. This COMPLETE DISREGARD for the welfare of the American people shows how urgent it is to vote Obama out of office.

Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is. Having the taxpayers pay for what was just a campaign trip shows his disdain for the suffering of the American people.

The fact is the American economic problems will never be solved. All of the people living off the governments dime (welfare, food stamps, government employees, etc.) will continue to vote for the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS. The SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS will continue to vote for the maintenance and extension of these programs so they can keep getting elected. It is a downward spiral with no viable solution unless all of us not living off the government’s dime vote 100% to replace the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS.

Obama engaged in a reckless stimulus spending plan which only did more harm than good. That money was used to offset financial mismanagement at the state level. The projects that were funded by that money only gave a temporary increase in business to certain businesses but BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business. The only way we will see real, long term growth in jobs is if we eliminate the oppressive regulation of business (not Wall Street), change the tax structure so it is comparable to other countries, allow businesses the flexibility to make labor more efficient and STOP THE SPENDING.

Printing money did not work because interest rates were already as low as they could go. More dollars chasing the same amount of good and service means price increases not more jobs.

Our bloated and inefficient government is what is thwarting job and economic growth and the reckless stimulus spending and the reckless printing of money have not and will not do anything to fix it.

Obama is so h*ll bent of “taxing the rich” (whatever that means) because it is a campaign strategy not because it is good for the country. Obama is obsessed with getting reelected so he can ram more of his “hope and change” left-wing, near socialistic programs into law. The Democrats with Obama in charge will continue to spend and spend. More and more social programs will mean more and more people with little incentive to work and more and more voters living off the programs advocated by the SPEND, PRINT, REGULATE, and TAX DEMOCRATS . His “taxing the rich” attitude will send more and more jobs out of the country.

Mr. Obama: stop campaigning, stop SPENDING, TAXING, and REGULATING and do what is good for the country.

We must continue to VOTE THEM OUT!!!

mm

August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm

Paul,

I guess I should have used the word “ridiculous”.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:18 pm

“Many factors contribute to that.”

Yep, and a fantastic job record is one of those things.

“The other is, Texas has a large voter population who will vote for any Republican over any Democrat, period. ”

Same can be said of Illinois.

Try again, Paul.

Granny Godzilla

August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm

The scheduling conflict itself is a pretty aggressive move.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm

Granny Godzilla

His approval is at 38%. Not sure if you understand math or not, but that is TERRIBLE.

(ir)Rational

August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm

Zap – North Dakota has an unemployment rate somewhere around 3%, and if you come to the state, you apparently have to try really hard to not find a job. Like I said, right now, I’m going to go with North Dakota. As my wife said this morning, if I got fired today, I’m moving to North Dakota tomorrow.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2011-08-27/Unemployed-Go-to-North-Dakota/50136572/1

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

ByteMe

August 31st, 2011
2:19 pm

I’m surprised he’s not pre-empting a debate that’s on FOX instead of MSNBC. Of course, that would take some serious guts to mess with Murdoch’s house of slime.

mm

August 31st, 2011
2:20 pm

He should just read a list of jobs bills the repukes have blocked over the course of 3 years just to keep unemployment high.

He needs shame these people, but I don’t think they have any shame. Obviously the people that vote for them don’t.

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:20 pm

willie: If he talks about creating opportunity for businesses to make money, applauds risk taking whether it’s in favored sectors or not, if he holds off on even more job killing regulation, if he gets serious about fixing our debt, then the republicans might have a fight on their hands.

When I read your post it reminded me of the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

ByteMe

August 31st, 2011
2:20 pm

Obama has made it clear he plans to spend $1 BILLION to try to get reelected. Spending $1 BILLION while the American people are suffering shows how out of touch Obama is.

But taxing who makes $1 billion in income just 3% more? Meh! That’s SOCIALISM!

Mick

August 31st, 2011
2:21 pm

zap

Just another in a long line of negative drivel, didn’t obama set in motion the plan to get bin laden, then get him? He has kept us safe for three years and stopped off from falling off an economic cliff, remember what this country looked like by sept 08 of the previous guy? Now, I would like to see him grow a stiffer spine in dealing with the renegade house and propose a new chapter of the WPA and CCC, we need to jump start this economy, now and put people back to work…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 31st, 2011
2:22 pm

Well, I sure hope Fox News carries the Republican debate and not the Obama speech. I hate to have Fox News on and then have to turn my back and put in ear plugs. I want to hear what Perry and Bachmann have to say. Tho I admit it’s kind of hard for me to see Bachmann and not think of her with that foot-long hot dog. Dang that Sooth!

It’s really getting interesting now. The Tea Party Express bus people let a Romney guy know they never even wanted him to talk to their people and the Romney guy left the bus.

We got a real crisis here. Either the Republican Party goes back to its roots in the 1800s or it gives in to the RINOs that want to compromise and not say No all the time. So I don’t care what Obama has to say. Nothing he says is going to pass anyway. Just let me watch Fox News in peace and you all should stop pushing Obama in our face. He won’t be around after 2012 but we sure will.

Have a good p.m. everybody. Perry-Bachmann 2012. No more gays and plenty of jobs for the big guys. Now that’s a platform you can run on.

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
2:24 pm

His approval is at 38%. Not sure if you understand math or not, but that is TERRIBLE.

Yep, over three times less terrible than that of Congress.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:24 pm

“North Dakota has an unemployment rate somewhere around 3%”

That’s because it’s a GOP stronghold and not many people live there. It’s also a bastion for oil.

Check out fastest growing state in the US.

Joe Mama

August 31st, 2011
2:25 pm

Zap — ” Texas is the fastest growing state in the union.”

I wonder how much of that is due to los trabajos illegosos.

/smirk

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:25 pm

“didn’t obama set in motion the plan to get bin laden, then get him?”

Yep, and kudos to him. That will not get him re-elected.

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:26 pm

Obama didn’t just run off on a whim and start a war.

That would be Bush.

AMV: BUSINESS DID NOT CREATE PERMANENT JOBS TO MEET THAT DEMAND. Why? Because the stimulus was a temporary increase in spending and did not represent a long term increase in business. Businesses met that one time increase without hiring many people. The reckless stimulus spending did not create an investment opportunity for business.

Wow another example of the definition of insanity! Cool!

Logical Dude

August 31st, 2011
2:26 pm

Zap,
I don’t know what he’s going to run on. :)

Jobs could definitely be better.
He could have addressed the debt situation long ago, before the Republicans made a crisis out of it.
Obamacare isn’t the full answer, but it’s a stop in the right direction.

I think he may just let the republicans duke it out first, and then fight a weakened opponent.

But I’d rather him actually do Presidential Stuff that makes the country better.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:27 pm

“That would be Bush.”

Blaming Bush will not get O re-elected.

Bye bye, O.

Joe Mama

August 31st, 2011
2:27 pm

Paul — “That’s another thing you’ll find about this blog. Most here ignore typos and don’t try to puff themselves up at the expense of others by pointing out misspellings. We tend to concentrate on concepts implied in posts and let the keyboard actuator input errors slide”

This.

Ignoring speeling errurs (even those made by your post-opponents) is the sign of a mature poster, regardless of ideology.

Be a mensch and let such things slide.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:28 pm

Zap

“Taxpayers didn’t like what they saw in Obamacare and booted the Dems out of office in 2010.”

Many things contributed to the Democratic defeat in the midterms. Fears over Obamacare was one. It was a good PR effort by Republicans. But on specifics, ask those opposed if they are in favor of their insurance company dropping their policy when their wife gets breast cancer, or if they are in favor of insurance companies denying a course of treatment for their sick child…. When they are informed those are some of the practices Obamacare did away with, the usual reaction (my experience, when I’ve done it) is ‘really? Obamacare did that?” They seem to think the entirety of health care reform is the individual mandate.

“His jobs record is horrible,”

Ever checked his jobs created vs all the jobs created during Pres Bush’s two terms? Ever looked at the baseline from jobs lost, using Pres Bush’s last quarter and running through the end of the recession?

” we now have a AA rating”

Which we could have avoided with Pres Obama’s offer to cut twice the amount Reps were proposing. If Reps were really serious about large cuts.

” the stock market is crap”

Now? Compared to when? How about the market now compared to when Obama took the handoff from Bush?

“and he carried on 2 wars and now Libya.”

Iraq’s pullout is on schedule. Following exactly what Pres Obama said he’d do.

Afghanistan had their own increase. Obama increased resources there, as he campaigned on. He’s also laid out a get-out policy. You opposed to either? Think we should keep combat forces in Iraq and stay in Afg? Or stay there with fewer resources than Obama committed?

Libya – you think we should not honor treaty obligations? Or you think a civilian slaughter was not in the cards and we should not have joined in? Or do you think we should not take part in multilateral operations?

Simple questions to get to the heart of what you stated. Take’em in any order you want.

No diversions or ‘oh yeah, well what about…” please.

What’s he gonna run on?”

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:28 pm

“Ignoring speeling errurs (even those made by your post-opponents) is the sign of a mature poster, regardless of ideology.”

It’s also a sign of someone who is literate and passed high school english.

blue_unicorn

August 31st, 2011
2:28 pm

Let’s see how aggressive President Obama can be. I suggest the Rs tell President Obama up front they will not oppose his ‘jobs’ plan, whatever that is. Won’t support it, won’t oppose it. He gets his way, for the next year. No excuses.

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm

How’s the Texas budget deficit working out these days.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm

Paul

Bye bye, O.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm

“What’s he gonna run on?”

What we discussed above.

Jefferson

August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm

Paul, the R’s in GA have no credibility but will be elected because of the “R”. Anyone who picks nits about spelling is a nit picker…thks.

Bosch

August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm

“Of course, that’s not how the White House put it in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid”

Well, at least the “but it’s not on PAPER” crowd can rest easy….

stands for decibels

August 31st, 2011
2:29 pm

His approval is at 38%. Not sure if you understand math or not, but that is TERRIBLE.

That’s pretty bad. You know, Saint Ronnie of Reagan bottomed out at 35%, in 1983. How did he ever manage to squeak by in 1984, I wonder?

BADA BING

August 31st, 2011
2:30 pm

It’s the lack of an economy, Stupid.

Paul

August 31st, 2011
2:30 pm

Zap 2:29

That’s the extent of your political analysis?

All righty, then……..

(ir)Rational

August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm

Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion? Probably requires the ignoring of certain people.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm

Looks like Palin’s state is the fastest growing state in the union.

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-ten-growth-performing-states-2011-6#1-alaska-10

Mick

August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm

**Yep, and kudos to him. That will not get him re-elected**

So, what has perry done that will get him elected president? Please don’t try that fiction about texas growth and fail to include 9 billion deficit, 11 billion used from stimulus or deficit would be over 20 billion, 49th in education funding, one of the most polluted states, one of the worst in health care of its citizens, thats your guy?

Joe Mama

August 31st, 2011
2:31 pm

Zap — “It’s also a sign of someone who is literate and passed high school english.”

Excellent. Then we can expect you to join in and participate in the collegial and mature discussion without slagging on the inevitable and occasional spelling, grammatical, punctuation and usage errors that occur here? :D

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:32 pm

“That’s the extent of your political analysis?”

Obama’s record is terrible, Paul. Jobs, etc are all in the tank.

Have fun making up excuses for him.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:32 pm

“So, what has perry done that will get him elected president?”

J-O-B-S

Bosch

August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm

“Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion? Probably requires the ignoring of certain people.”

Yeap, so irRational — what cha’ wanna talk about. Did ya’ hear? Obama’s got a plan…and it’s on paper and everything!

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm

“include 9 billion deficit”

9 billion is less than 14 trillion in Obama debt.

Bye bye, O.

DebbieDoRight

August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm

Paul: That’s the extent of your political analysis?

Paul, why bother? He doesn’t want to debate; he wants to belittle and sneer.

BADA BING

August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm

I hope during his speech, he shows the Long Form Arrest Report for his Uncle.

Joe Mama

August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm

(ir)Rational — “Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion?”

I’m your huckleberry.

We disagree on a lot of things, but you’re polite and I can actually hear the gears turning in your head. :D

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
2:33 pm

Anyone on here that actually wants to have a rational discussion? Probably requires the ignoring of certain people.

You mean, like, the uh, irrational ones, maybe.

Logical Dude

August 31st, 2011
2:34 pm

Zap says: Looks like Palin’s state is the fastest growing state in the union.

It’s because people can get laid pretty readily there! It’s all over the news!

(joke!)
bad joke, I know. . .

Road Scholar

August 31st, 2011
2:35 pm

Repubs wouldn’t know a jobs bill if it hit them in their faces.

Bosch

August 31st, 2011
2:36 pm

Well Jay, the good news is, that since the resident name changer is back, your post totals will go up, maybe you’ll get a raise! :)

mm

August 31st, 2011
2:36 pm

You wingnuts can revise history (aka lie) about the deficit all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.

BGWB took office with a budget surplus and 5 trillion in debt. He leftoffice with deficit spending and 10 trillion in debt. The cause? Two unfunded wars, the unfunded Medicare Part D giveaway, and the Bush tax cuts.

How did we get to 14 trillion? The continuing wars, the continuing Medicare Part D, and the continuing tax cuts. The only thing Obama added was the 800 billion stimulus, half of which was tax breaks.

You own it.

Thanks to the Lottery Players in Georgia

August 31st, 2011
2:37 pm

Perry has something that a lot of politicians don’t have — his own sugardaddy. Rick just has to give him that sad look and say please. :lol:

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:38 pm

“You wingnuts can revise history (aka lie) about the deficit all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.”

Yep, and O’s numbers and job performance is terrible.

Granny Godzilla

August 31st, 2011
2:38 pm

Zap

38%

Yep I understand that that is an average of totals from fifty states.

Actually it’s 39% currently.

32% in Utah with 5 electoral votes

27% in Idaho with 4 electoral votes

53% in California with 55 electoral votes

57% in New York with 31 electoral votes

54% in Illinois with 21 electoral votes

Just for grins…48% in Georgia with 15….

Yes, Zap I understand math.

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:38 pm

“Perry has something that a lot of politicians don’t have — his own sugardaddy.”

You mean like Obama and Soros?

Zap Rowsdower

August 31st, 2011
2:39 pm

“Actually it’s 39% currently.”

Something you can be proud of.

Mick

August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm

**9 billion is less than 14 trillion in Obama debt.**

Zap, do you actually read what you write? The previous feller contributed mightily to that deficit and nary a peep out of you and the lower than whale turd at high tide iced tea peoples…

Left wing management

August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm

Zap: “The last time he was aggressive, it cost the Dems the Senate.

2012 – End of an error”

To the rube mind, this center right president Obama represents a far left ideology, instead of being what he is for those who actually read history and can see that he is somewhere not far from where the bulk of the Republican establishment was decades ago, e.g. Nixon, not to mention Eisenhower.

But it serves the interests of the Rick Perrys and others to keep the rubes thinking that Obama’s election represented some giant swerve in policy from the Bush years.

out of the blue

August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm

Gov. Rick Perry may face an old political ghost from his tenure as Texas Agriculture Commisioner — a complimentary letter he wrote in 1993 to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton to urge her to consider the needs rural residents as she drafted what would later be derided as “Hillarycare.”

In the letter, dated April 6, 1993, Perry wrote to Clinton, “I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/31/7539843-outlines-of-hillarycare-were-known-before-perry-wrote-letter-praising-reform-effort

Gee…I wonder how the flip-flopper feels about “ObamaCare” probably not so good!

Mighty Righty

August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm

A leapord does not change his spots. Obama is an idealogue not known for his flexibility. My guess is that when ever the speech is held, and that will be up to the Repubamalicans to decide, Obama will announce he is appointing a committee to study the economy. He will emphasise it is his idea and that he has demanded the committee return their recommendations by next July 4th. The over and under on the number of times he uses the words me, my, mine and I is 30. The over under on blaming Bush is 6 and on other excuses, tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, wall street, arab spring, and congress, etc is 15. The number of times he accepts responsibility for his own failed policies will be zero.

Bosch

August 31st, 2011
2:40 pm

Hey Mrs. G. — what’s up? Where did you get those numbers? I was thinking about the state by state break down earlier — great minds and all!

:)