The only person who can stop Rick Perry is Rick Perry

I think it will be fun to watch him hopping on one foot, with the other foot in his mouth and his head up his arse, while raising his hands in praise of his financial donors…

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Normal

The mental imagery!!!!

Is that the new Texas 2-step?

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If Perry stumbles badly in the debates, Romney’s campaign gets a second wind.

Romney’s campaign would be wrong.

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Want to defeat Perry? Give him a microphone. Romney should engage him publicly every opportunity he gets

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Left-wing talking point #1: Spending is a-ok under Obama.

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Right-wing talking point #2: The deficit has exploded under Obama.

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SoCoBro – 11:26 –

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Paul – 11:36 – you just won the internets for that one.

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Blueprint for Deal?

Texas Governor Perry Becomes A Millionaire While Serving in Office”

Since his first race for office more than a quarter-century ago, Gov. Rick Perry has emphasized his roots as a rural farmer.

Yet Perry’s bank account no longer reflects those humble beginnings as his bottom line has soared in recent years, records show, thanks largely to a handful of real estate deals that critics allege were achieved through the presidential candidates’ political connections.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/29/2379942/texas-gov-perry-became-a-millionaire.html#ixzz1WWj7BBju

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Right-wing talking point #3: The “Stimulus” was a waste of money and did not help the economy or create jobs.

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But seriously folks, my first reaction to Jay’s new topic was last week’s Tom Tomorrow.

(Maybe that’s not fair, but a first reaction is what it is.)

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You just cannot imagine the collective groan that is being let out around the country – not to mention around the world – as we see yet another Texas politician appear on the national scene, this George W. Bush without the subtlety and the brains – and dare I say it – the nuance!

You just cannot imagine the groan that is being let out now around the country.

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Paul — “Nice continuity, Jay. First a thread about trains, now a thread about a train wreck.”

Post of the WEEK.

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Paul @ 11:36

And who says that Liberals are incapable of thought?

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everyone’s sick of Obama’s 45-minute, nuance laced, diatribes

Everyone?

I didn’t grant you the authority to speak for me, sport.

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Yawn. Another blog about someone who has no chance of getting in the white house.

Meanwhile, Bush-Lite is going to give a nice wittle speech about job creation next week. As long as he has plans for spending cuts to fund it, go for it!

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Bob Burnitt — “Why do people give Perry so much credit??? This 5th generation Texasn sees him for what he is, a dullard and a go along to get along politician.”

Gosh, Bob, I’d figure you’d have a better handle on why people vote for Perry, you being a Texan and all.

Maybe you could tell us some more, please?

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Yep, Perry-Bachmann 2012.

You’ll get it in the rear while they’re praying you straight.

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“That establishment would prefer someone more electable, someone more like, say, Mitt Romney”

Jay, the “establishment” was tossed out by conservatives in 2008 and shoved to the back seat by the Tea Party in 2010. They aren’t in charge and longer. Thank God!

How about you worry about propping up your empty suit and let us worry about our candidate? We don’t need you telling us the “conservative” from one of the most liberal states in the union is our best candidate.

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I really don’t care if this guy feels that Evangelicals rule the world, feels that he saw Elvis or believes that the earth is flat. If he can get this economy back on track, get the jobs numbers up and fix this crazy tax system we have, he has my vote. I don’t give a tinker’s damn how much money he made in office…. all politicians, regardless of party, seem to be a little better healed when they leave than when they came. If he can get this insane spending under control, introduce a balanced budget amendment and work hard for it’s passage, he will be the most memorable president that this country has known for the last 100yrs. Bozo has failed miserably. Fess up, libs. He has been a colossal bust. He is a worldwide joke, like the Thin Man said last week, “a perfect combination of Affirmative Action and the Peter Principle.”

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Jay 11:46 – sure

Kamchak – sorry. that 60% of America is sick of it (you know, that portion that disapprove of his overall performance thus far)

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The fickleness of the GOP supporters never ceases to amaze.

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Jay – 11:46 – cut him some slack – he just moved up to the TWO-syllable words in his word of the day calendar, so he’s VERY proud

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nut ball talking point #2: if all else fails…”Fox news”.

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For some reason, as I was reading Jay’s bit about Karl Rove organizing a Night of the Long Knives, or whatever the GOPers are calling it, I was reminded of a tidbit from the 20-years-past.

A time when none other than one Citizens United created an anti-David-Duke ad.

for those who don’t remember…

It may come as a surprise that the same fervid folks who made the most notorious political ad of recent years — the 1988 Willie Horton spot — also made a commercial against ex-Klansman/Nazi David Duke, who ran unsuccessfully for governor of Louisiana last month. ”Do you know how many jobs are going to leave Louisiana and come to Texas if Duke is elected?” a Texas cowboy gloated in the spot. ”Hot damn!”

The D.C.-based conservative cadre who made both ads included conservative activist Floyd Brown and Larry McCarthy, a protege of Bush media adviser Roger Ailes. They produced the Horton opus as an independently financed political action committee, Americans for Bush. For the anti-Duke ad, their PAC was called Republican Challengers. The same posse popped up shortly before the Clarence Thomas hearings when — under the name Citizens United — it made a pro-Thomas ad.

All’s I’m saying is, it’s been done before, and if need be they’ll get ‘er done again.

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Their (GOP) minds are made up, they will vote for who they are told to, and that is a definate maybe.

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Jay, if I said “45 minute, nuance laced, lectures” would that make you happier? I mean, I think diatribe is still appropriate, but I’m open to having an editor (certain liberals here excluded)

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This election will likely come down to the economy and jobs which is Governor Perry’s strength.He has a successful record on these issues to run on.Look at all those jobs in Texas and think what he could do for the nation.

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Link for the quoted section:

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/08/29/3321805/only-us-commanders-should-lead.html

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Kam 11:56 “How did you put it? Oh yeah, Mehhhh. Hyperbole. ”

Agreed. Everyone uses it all the time. I’m not bringing a knife to a nuclear war.

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Our debt matters

I would suggest that you look at Perrys record in Texas…

Very closely.

That which you pretend to understand now is what will untimately
bring him down.

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I agree wholeheartedly. The only person who can snatch the nomination out of Rick Perry’s hands is Rick Perry himself.
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I would agree with much of what you wrote but there is one potential problem that may make a difference. Texas’s unemployment is currently at 8.4% while the national unemployment is at 9.1%. However, the Texas unemployment is rising while the national unemployment although stagnant is declining. The national unemployment has been lower than the previous year prior 12 months in row while Texas’s unemployment has been higher than the previous year two months in a row and 8 out of the last 12 months. While the American economy has been been stagnant but getting better Texas’ has been getting worse. If Texas unemployment figure goes above the national figure the selling Perry as the jobs canidate well be tougher.

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It’s Obama’s fault!

Did I beat the wingnuts to that one?

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jm – aw, diddums … you still flailing around with the CPI discussion pretending I said things I didn’t to make you feel all smart and stuff (Google cut-n-paste doesn’t make you a Nobel Laureate, by the way)

you just keep on keepin on, little man …

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300 million people in the United States and our choice is Rick Perry and Barack Obama. That is pathetic. I wonder if I will ever be excited to vote FOR someone again.

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and the libs have no choice

hahahahaha!

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300 million people in the United States and our choice is Rick Perry and Barack Obama.

300 million people in the U.S. are over 35 years old?

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“What in the Constitution gives him such authority? Do you guys just want a Big Daddy to make things alright for you?”

Nothing gives him the authority, but he can lead, communicate, and show that he is committed to the things he says while campaigning. And I would say a good percentage of those who voted for Obama wanted him to be the “big daddy” who solved their problems. The next great president (if there is one) will be the one who convinces people it is his job to make sure they have the opportunity to solve their own problems, but that’s it.

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I think the entire election is Perry’s to lose. Lefties are going to vote dem and righties are going to vote rep. The folks in the middle are what count. Obama is weakened, but not weak.

With a crap economy, a stumlulus that failed to stimulate, astronomical debt like never before seen, a health care bill nobody wanted, a new conflict in Lybia and who knows where else. Obama is beatable….He very much looks like Jimmy Carter right now and that’s a bad thing to look like.
But a poorly run campaign and losing debates is going to kill perry, so he better be on his A-Game.

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Kamchak — “300 million people in the U.S. are over 35 years old?”

Quick, someone call Diebold.

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“300 million people in the U.S. are over 35 years old?”

I think my point was obvious.

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That Bachmann – What a kidder!!

Bachmann Barnstorms Florida and Explains Controversial Comments

Bachmann spent a little time Monday clearing up a few statements, such as her line that the recent hurricane and earthquake were evidence of the fact that God is trying to “get the attention of the politicians…He said, ‘Are you going to start listening to me here?’”

Bachmann on Monday said “it would be absurd and ridiculous to think” that she was pretending to know what God was thinking; she was just joking.

Also, Bachmann explained her comments on whether she supports oil-and-gas exploration in the Everglades.

“Actually, what I have spoken about is the fact that God has so blessed the United States with natural energy resources. I haven’t said specifically that we should be accessing energy there,” she said.

“The American people are saying: Let’s access this wonderful treasure trove of energy that God has given to us in this country. Let’s access it responsibly. That’s the answer. If we can access energy responsibly, we do it. If we can’t, we don’t. It’s that simple.”

Bachmann was rewarded with “drill baby drill!” crowd calls.

In her stump speech, Bachmann dwelled on the economy. She said she wanted to eliminate corporate taxes and hailed Miami state Rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera for the Legislature’s decision to start cutting Florida’s corporate-tax rate. She called for fewer environmental regulations and bashed Obama for cutting Medicare in his healthcare plan – though she supported a House plan this year that also trims Medicare spending.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/29/2380836_p2/bachmann-barnstorms-florida-explains.html#ixzz1WWu7LKaD

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Yes, lots of jobs were created while Perry was governor. Unfortunately for him (although he takes credit for it), many of those jobs were in in government contracting – paid for by Obama’s stimulus. Perry has cut state funding for schools, claiming the state does not have the responsibility to fund schools. He says it’s a local problem. God help our education system if he becomes president and cuts the federal education budget.

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““300 million people in the U.S. are over 35 years old?”

I think my point was obvious.”

Gordon, remember you’re dealing with liberals. NOTHING is obvious. If it were, they wouldn’t be on here day after day swooning over the empty suit their party will have running.

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Also, Obama rode on the back of being the “Big Daddy” who was going to fix everything.

That’s the second time I’ve read that about Obama here on this blog on this subject — do you guys go to the same shrink too?

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“do you guys go to the same shrink too?”

Don’t know, but they do get the same chain Obama hating emails and post the same phrases verbatim. You can always tell when there’s a new email that’s come out.

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Yes, study after study has shown that the more we spend on education, especially at the federal level, the better the results are.

Yes, let’s not spend one dime on education again! We can become Big Haiti and watch our infrastruture, children’s future, and populace be ruled by corruption and arrogance. Think of the Fun we can have as another Haiti!!! Being a third world country won’t be so bad, we can always use religion to make ourselves feel better.

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Yes, if Perry becomes POTUS and Repubs capture the Senate, you can kiss the Federal Dept of Education good by, and the EPA will get its…uh…peanuts clipped.

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After eight years of republican policies that nearly wreaked our country and have left us still hurting,why would anyone vote for more of the same BS from Texas?

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“The only thing that is obvious to me is that you confused the entire population of the U.S. with those that are eligible to run for president.”

If that is really true (and I don’t think it is), then you really are dense. The point was that we really have a lot of people in this country and it is a shame we don’t have better choices. But again, I think you already knew that. You just like to argue over anything.

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Soothsayer

August 30th, 2011
11:36 am

Keep hoping …..

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What, no stark rebuttal to the link posted @ 12:15? No SAremarks it was funny the first 100 times? It does quite nicely sum up the differences between Perry and Obama, you must admit? Perhaps no rebuttal becuase there is no defense.

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“Perhaps no rebuttal becuase there is no defense”

I’ll admit, there is no defense for you posting something so classless.

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300 million people in the United States and our choice is Rick Perry and Barack Obama.

300 million people in the U.S. are over 35 years old?

AND Natural born citizens of the United States?

hee hee hee…. Could not just leave well enough alone.

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Bosch — “So Reb, why didn’t they do that when they had all three from 2000-2006? As a matter of fact, why didn’t they slash entitlements, instead of creating a whole new unfunded one? Why didn’t they institute a national educational voucher system? Why Reb why?”

They wuz stopped by eeevil librulz, led by Satan hisself. Tha internets said so.

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Bosch – sine when is the truth without class?

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Instead of throwing money at education, use the money to pay the students for making the grade:

A – $500
B – $400
C – $300
D – $200
F – $100

Plus, just like welfare, it will get money flowing into the economy!

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1811 — “Yes, we all know that it only covers the government but those who “really” believe in it apply it to every situation ……….. government controlled or otherwise. It’s just the American thing to do.”

Ah, the “True Scotsman” fallacy.

If you don’t like Jay’s rules, there’s nothing stopping you from shoving off and starting your own blog with your own rules. The internet’s a mighty big place.

FWIW, I think Jay’s got your number. You’re looking for attention and internet martyrdom. Maybe you should take the afternoon off and go fishing instead. It might clear your mind a bit.

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Joe Mama:

Keep using those keystrokes about me.

I love it !

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JohnnyReb

and if the EPA get’s its “peanuts” clipped…..they won’t be the only ones

Want sons?

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Reb,

Truth? You have no class.

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Instead of throwing money at education, use the money to pay the students for making the grade:

MoonBat Betty – you sure live up to your name. Congrats.

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USinUK

August 30th, 2011
12:37 pm

“um. you want to pay people to make a D … much less FAIL???”

Isn’t that kinda how welfare works to a certain degree? Except for those disabled and unable to work. I mean those on welfare either got a “D” or “Failed” at finding sutable employment.

How is that any different?

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UsinUK “um. you want to pay people to make a D … much less FAIL???”

Yes, at least they showed up!

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Seen the stuff on the waste of time and money that is DHS?

Keep FEMA and Depatment of Education, let’s delete DHS altogether.

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Some of those citizens might have been born by “C-section”.

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Rick James

“Read vital interests as O-I-L”

That’s another great question to peel back the bumper sticker:

“Governor Perry, what are America’s vital interests to which you’d commit America’s forces?”

And the follow-on questions would be…. heck, the interviewer would have a field day -

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GG

Namejacked @ 12:43???

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Joe Mama @ 12:40pm:

Years ago a good friend of mine and I were standy outside the downtown Varsity about 11pm. Up rolled a huge black limo and out jumped Hosea Williams in a tux. He went into the Varisity and soon returned with a couple of full bags of “to go” stuff.

My friend called out as he walked back to the limo, “Hosea, how do you do it?”

Hosea turned and laughingly yelled out, “Just keep your name in front of the people!”

True story ……………………….

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How does this affect the Dawgs’ 2012 recruiting class?

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And who was in control of Congress during most of that time and continued on until last January??

OMG! You couldn’t think of anything more original than that?! (Laughing politely — because of Jay’s rules). While you were typing that and obvioiusly (sarcasm there), thinking about your post very hard, did you happen to remember this little tidbit?

Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 6, 2007

House Adopts Pay As You Go Rules

On its second day under Democratic management, the House yesterday overwhelmingly approved new rules aimed at reining in deficit spending and shedding more light on the murky world of special-interest projects known as earmarks.

Under the new provisions, the House will for the first time in years be required to pay for any proposal to cut taxes or increase spending on the most expensive federal programs by raising taxes or cutting spending elsewhere.

In recent months, with revelations that lawmakers had earmarked funds for projects with little public benefit, earmarks had became a political embarrassment and a symbol of fiscal profligacy.

The House voted 280 to 152 to approve the rules, which drew the support of 48 Republicans. Democratic leaders, in control of the House for the first time in 12 years, hailed the vote as a sign of their commitment to restore accountability to federal spending and to reduce a budget deficit and national debt that they say have been swollen by Republican tax cuts and military spending.

Remember THAT? It’s so sad to see the dumbing down of America, (not you, I’m talking about OTHER people who post that same crap over and over and over and over. But DEFINITELY NOT YOU ).

PS: Here’s the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010500681.html

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Brosephus

Aw, c’mon, Scout’s ‘c section’ in regards to ‘natural born’ was kinda funny!

Or did you recognize that it was, in a groaning sort of way?

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Well, I’m not ready to write off Rick Parry either. I think he’s got as good a chance as any other candidate with a successful write-in campaign. It’s all about name recognition. I’m thinking a bumper sticker strategy: pArry for pResident

I think it’ll work.

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1811 — I’m guessing that you have neither the tux nor the limo, but the Varsity bags are a distinct possibility. I’ll have a couple of chili dogs and a diet coke.

But if you’re *really* trying to get “your name” in front of “the people,” you’re not really getting the job done when you’re using a nym with an online bulletin board.

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“or can we all play this game and talk about the long (and growing) list of CEOs that FAIL at leading their companies?”

well, if we(tax payers) are paying them for their failure, then yes, we can iclude them too.

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Perry knows that Republican voters were dumb enough to give George W. Bush two terms and are blind to the terrible damage he did to our country. He also knows the voters are even dumber now and will taylor his campaign accordingly. Get ready for an eeee hawww good ole boy I want to be yore President campaign. Also, get ready for our new national motto – “dumb and dumber”.

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“well, if we(tax payers) are paying them for their failure, then yes, we can iclude them too”

We are. Who do you think pays for their goods and/or services?

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Or did you recognize that it was, in a groaning sort of way?

Let’s show our winner his prize behind Door #1……

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“if we(tax payers) are paying them for their failure, then yes, we can iclude them too.”

what doggone said.

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“Dear Employees:

As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the
fact that Barrack Obama is our President and that our taxes and government
fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our
prices would have to increase by about 10%. But since we cannot increase
our prices right now due to the dismal state of the economy, we will have
to lay off sixty of our employees instead. This has really been
bothering me since I believe we are family here and I didn’t know how to
choose who would have to go.

So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking lots and
found sixty ‘Obama’ bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have decided
these folks will be the ones to let go. I can’t think of a more fair way
to approach this problem. They voted for change……I gave it to them.

I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.”

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Bro

Nope that was me….

Seriously look at this:

Post-9/11 Homeland Security Spending Spree: A Waste Of Money?

Is there anything in this massive boondoogle – the largest increase in goverment ever – that can’t be handled in other cabinet level departments?

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Joe Mama @ 12:53

Yes ………… but Jay knows “exactly” who I am and that’s what I enjoy !

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Meh… I think Perry’s chick appeal is overrated. He just doesn’t do it for me. I was watching Gov. Christie all serious on the tee-vee the other day, and you know… he kind of has a way about him. If he drops 100 pounds, he’ll be H-O-T HOT!

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Some good points made, but I still think/hope Romney will win.

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“I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.”

and the others will see you at the class action lawsuit

sheesh. if stoopid could generate power, some people could light up Las Vegas for a year

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“Meh… I think Perry’s chick appeal is overrated. He just doesn’t do it for me….”-MATTI

Sounds like Matti has a secret CRUSH on Rick Perry that she is trying to suppress…

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“But there is a difference……..we have a direct choice when it comes to CEO’s………….”

laugh flippin RIOT!!

when is the last time you voted on a CEO?

or, more to the point, his compensation package?

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“But in the real world you also know it can be done !”

CAN it be done? yes.

LEGALLY can it be done? hell to the no.

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Buying a company’s goods or services (or not buying) is not the same as being given a vote for or against that company’s CEO.

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I loved it when Jim Hightower (a Texan) said, “Perry is Bush without the intelligence and ethics”. No wonder you all love him. That, or you have hair dye stock…

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Hummmm …………….. something seems to be missing here.

Under Federal law, employers generally (please note “generally”) cannot discriminate against employees on the basis of:

Race
Sex
Pregnancy
Religion
National origin
Disability (physical or mental, including HIV status)
Age (for workers over 40)
Military service or affiliation
Anticipated deployment with the Reserves or National Guard[citation needed]
Bankruptcy or bad debts
Genetic information
Citizenship status (for citizens, permanent residents, temporary residents, refugees, and asylees)

In addition:

Georgia is an “at-will” state:

“At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargaining group (i.e., has not recognized a union). Under this legal doctrine:

“any hiring is presumed to be “at will”; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals “for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,” and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.

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“If one hates the CEO that much, don’t support him/her with your purchase”

doesn’t matter either way, it’s still taxpayers who ultimately pay the salary.

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“Buying a company’s goods or services (or not buying) is not the same as being given a vote for or against that company’s CEO.”

Certainly can be………..and never said voting was the direct choice………interesting how some of you move to that assumption………………..

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1811 — “Come guys ………… it’s a joke.”

Sure! Like the photoshopped pics of President Obama as a pimp or an African warrior were a joke! I get it!

“But in the real world you also know it can be done! Life’s tough.”

If a CEO were stupid enough to do that and TELL his employees what he was doing and why, it’d be a lot tougher for that CEO than for the employees. A wrongful termination class-action settlement would be pretty expensive, I bet.

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“doesn’t matter either way, it’s still taxpayers who ultimately pay the salary.”

Sure it matters……….you can control your input in one instance, not so much with the other………

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“you can control your input in one instance, not so much with the other………”

It’s STILL paid by taxpayers.

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GG

From your link:

The Lake McConaughy dive team is so well-equipped it has been called out on several drownings around the state. A radio network built with Homeland Security funding paid off during widespread grass fires earlier this year by allowing departments from around the state to easily communicate with each other. And when a massive tornado struck Joplin, Mo., in May, the city was able to get its phones running with the aid of an emergency communications trailer bought with some of the region’s $3.1 million in department grants.

Glendale, likewise, has not left the BearCat in the garage. They haven’t caught any terrorists, but last fall, police rolled it out for a pre-dawn assault on an apartment in Echo Park where a suspected armed robber and others were thought to be hiding. Instead of having to pound on the door — risking officers’ safety — they were able to park on the lawn and call for surrender on loudspeakers.

At the risk of labeling you in a similar fashion as I think of the other anti-government people here, it’s a bit of a stretch to say that DHS, excepting the groups you stated, should be eliminated. Under the DHS umbrella, there’s the Secret Service (SS), Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), US Coast Guard (USCG), and others. Do you really, really think we’d be better off eliminating those groups?

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Kam 12:17 – your issue not mine

USinUK – ah, so you’re saying the calculations did change and you’re agreeing with the first inquisitive poster. How interesting. You sure went to a lot of trouble to agree with someone.

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Scouts gubmint check must be late…. he’s trying to skin cats. Perhaps he needs more entitlements.

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Brosephus:

In all seriousness ………………

“At the risk of labeling you in a similar fashion as I think of the other anti-government people here, it’s a bit of a stretch to say that DHS, excepting the groups you stated, should be eliminated. Under the DHS umbrella, there’s the Secret Service (SS), Customs and Border Protection (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), US Coast Guard (USCG), and others. Do you really, really think we’d be better off eliminating those groups?”

No ………….. you transfer them back to the department they came from. For example, the U.S. Secret Service goes back to the Department of the Treasury where it started on July 5, 1865.

If you remember, Bush didn’t want DHS. It was forced on him by a panicked Congress.

We already had enough agencies and departments for everything (probably too many it could be argued). They just needed to be beefed up and cooperation increased.

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Good Fight! :

Keep paying those taxes.

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Hey ………… it took it twice ! Usually it won’t do that.

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1811 — “There is always more than one way to skin a cat.”

Your illustration didn’t seem to allow for a lot of wiggle room.

Look, I know that joke probably had them rolling in the aisles at your last Bund meeting, but your continued defense of it is making you look like you’re *trying* to find justification and reason for firing Obama workers — and not based on anything more than who they voted for.

If you want to know why Democratic voters are often so antipathetic and resistant to what the GOP wants, look in the mirror. Someone — like yourself — who talks in apparently serious tones about getting away with firing people based on tho they vote for . . . well, that’s someone I wouldn’t care to have anything to do with.

My wife’s been a recruiting director and still works in HR today, so I’m sure she can tell the same stories you can. Difference is, I’ve never heard her talk about ginning up a justification for firing someone.

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If you remember, Bush didn’t want DHS. It was forced on him by a panicked Congress.

WTF?!? Wow………you really believe that or is that another joke?

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Katy is the better Perry.

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“Since you’re trying to do an end around, I’ll play too……..that homeless guy that paid that college kid a buck for one of his beers paid no taxes…………………”

well played, md…kudos.

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I think it’s downright funny to see Scout post that fantasy about firing workers based on their bumper stickers, right after he whined about me violating his “First Amendment” rights to free speech.

The guy’s a crackup.

I believe the operative phrase is, “You don’t respond to lunacy.”

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Joe, you mean you dont find it funny to have an employer tell you that you may lose your job for excercising your personal freedoms and something as fundamental as the right to vote. Or perhaps voting for a union. Because we know that vote intimidation never happens and has never happened in the past. Seems to be the same deafness and callous disregard heard in so many funny email jokes about you know, different ways to kill federal officials or law enforcement (why you can through them out a plane and make X happy). These jokes by Scout are hilarious……… I am sure he’s been on Comedy Central.

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“Governor Perry, what are America’s vital interests to which you’d commit America’s forces?”

And the follow-on questions would be…. heck, the interviewer would have a field day -

Yeah, it’s nice to dream. What you post is possible. But let’s do face facts. That’s not how Perry will be treated by the press, if the past is any guide.

I think this is more like how it will go down.

(If that’s what voters actually want? well, fool me thrice…ya can’t get fooled again!)

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You guys might want to think twice before citing Libya as something to use AGAINST Obama. I think the entire subject, in the major national debate stage, of who is a stronger military president and who fights terrorists better will be practically non-existent. Because even the campaigning people know that only works in Obama’s favor at this point.

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Libya, bin Laden, winding down Iraq – all that works in Obama’s favor. Because of that, I would be willing to lay odds it doesn’t even come up in a debate of Obama vs. whoever gets the nomination. Watch. Then tell me the media is all liberal.

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“You guys might want to think twice before citing Libya as something to use AGAINST Obama. I think the entire subject, in the major national debate stage, of who is a stronger military president and who fights terrorists better will be practically non-existent. Because even the campaigning people know that only works in Obama’s favor at this point.”–ADAM

It won’t matter Adam. It’s no secret that Election 2012 will be about the ECONOMY or lack there of.

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obama’s illegal uncle arrested on DUI? I hope he isn’t bailed out with taxpayers’ money.

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Hey ………….. let me ask something?

Don’t we “fire” our representatives, senators and even presidents because of the way they VOTED or policies they pushed ……………

Plus, it is my understanding that even Congress exempted itself from the Civil Rights Act. Why?
They wanted “loyalty” in an employee.

Well tsk, tsk.

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GG

Thanks for that clarification. Read my post to Scout @ 1:40, and you’ll understand where I sit with that. Personally, I’d like to see the 15 departments consolidated. There’s overlap between many of the departments that could probably be consolidated by consolidating departments.

We could have two defense related departments, one for internal defense and one for defense beyond the border. One department to handle all human service related things that would combine Health & Human Services, Education, and Housing & Urban Development. One department to handle environmental areas combining the dept’s Interior, Energy, and Agriculture. Then one to handle commerce issues combining Commerce, Treasury, Labor, and Transportation.

We could probably eliminate more waste by consolidating missions, agencies, and departments as opposed to just eliminating them and putting things back the way they were.

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Don’t we “fire” our representatives, senators and even presidents because of the way they VOTED or policies they pushed …

No.

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Jay:

I think it’s funny to see you delete any reference here to Obama’s illegal alien relatives living in this country and his failure to therefore recuse himself from immigration policy.

HA ! Funny !

Read quickly folks ………….. this will soon go to “moderation”.

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Kammie:

Yes we do. Just takes a little longer.

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Read my lips:

No new collapses.

Another cowboy from Texas?

Repeat mistakes much?

Four More Years.

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md…right because only unions intimidate and never corporations or employers….. frankly I have no problem with prohibiting any intimidation no matter where from. Be glad to help you address the issue. Has nothing to do with a secret ballot.

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Should be 16* @ 1:55. My bad.

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md :

Careful on that secret union ballet stuff ………… the libs. are real touchy on that.

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Kammie:

Yes we do.

No, we don’t.

They were “hired” for a specific time period, 2, 4, or 6 years.

Then they apply for being re-hired.

Geez….

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Normal:

Ooo Rah !

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Hmmmm… subtle nuances are often missed by clueless jokesters..

Voting for or against a bill or signing it into law is a public act and public information relating to their representative power. How an elected official casts their personal vote for candidates for office is private.

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Like I said ………….. it takes longer.

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“Framingham Public Information Officer Lieutenant Delaney said when Onyango Obama was asked at the station if he wanted to make a telephone call to arrange for bail, he replied: “I think I will call the White House.””

Perception…………..in the middle of an election cycle………here Adam, you said you wanted a heads up on talking points………….

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GG

Gotcha!!! In that case, we’re in mutual agreement.
Sorry about the confusion earlier.

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Sit back and observe how Karl Rove’s group tries to eviscerate Perry.

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“Brosephus” – Another excellent post. You are very fair and even-handed in your posts. You should get a blog of your own.

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If we are on the SS Minnow, is Granny Ginger or Maryanne? (or Mrs. Howell?)

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Steve

Kinda hard to do because of job responsibilities. Far easier to remain semi-anonymous and post here. I’d have to run a 1600m hurdle race to do my own blog.

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“Adios mofo’s” perry.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfSLuEj99d0

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BADA BING: Sounds like you could have a positive donation effect on the candidate or SuperPAC of your choice.

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it is my understanding that even Congress exempted itself from the Civil Rights Act.

They haven’t been exempted since 1995.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jan/11/chain-email/do-members-congress-have-pay-back-student-loans-ye/

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Bada…You wrote this “obama’s illegal uncle arrested on DUI? I hope he isn’t bailed out with taxpayers’ money.”

I guess you forgot about the two DUI’s Dick Cheney managed, and the one GW Bush incurred!

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Adam….independent here, I vote for the best person. I hate parties.( but not parties w/women and alcohol).

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Right now, the Libyan rebels are pretty much telling Obama to go pound sand. Until we see how that turns out, I’m not sure Libya isn’t a campagne issue.

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out of…..cheney and Bush’s DUI weren’t in the news TODAY. I am trying to be current. obama and Bush both drank and did drugs, do we have to dig that up, too?

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Mighty Righty: Right now, the Libyan rebels are pretty much telling Obama to go pound sand

Cite please

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Brocephus @ 2:16

Well said!

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Since apparently today’s theme is “let’s take cheap shots at Presidential relatives”–anyone remember Neil Bush?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/08/28/neil_bush

The return of Neil Bush

Even in the Great Recession, the dim bulb of a dynasty manages to cash in on the family name

Neil claims to have 30 years in the energy industry, though at least 10 people from the Texas oil patch I spoke with said they had never heard of him playing any notable role in the energy business. Of the former first sibling, one international oil executive and consultant said, “I can’t imagine anything he could bring to the table.”

He travels far in search of deals. As the chairman of Houston-based TX Oil, Neil met with Turkmenistan’s crackpot Stalinist dictator, Gurbanguly Berdymukhammedov, in an effort to gain offshore oil concessions in the Caspian Sea. The tightly controlled state media claimed that he brought a letter from former President George H.W. Bush wishing “sound health and successes” to Berdymukhammedov, and thanking him for inviting Neil “to your beautiful country and for receiving him personally despite your heavy work load.”

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“The choices for candidates are really very limited, not only by age but by ability to fund a viable campaign. A candidate must needs be wealthy and somewhat of a narcissist to even be considered electable, which also limits the field.”

Kamchak, you nimwit, this is exactly the point I was making. We have lots of smart people around, but because of the system we have for winnowing down the field, we get poor choices.

From now on I’ll explain my point one way for everyone else, and a simpler way for you. Why don’t you get the chip off your shoulder? The original comment I made wasn’t partisan at all, but you found a way to argue about it.

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WTF? I must need some coffee…

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“Taxes were paid on that beer when the college kid bought it. Making the homeless guy pay taxes on it also would amount to the DREADED DOUBLE TAXATION, which we all know is agin’ what jeebus preached.

And you call yourself a conservative.”

Well Joe…..she said “taxpayers”……..and that isn’t true……..

And I don’t call myself anything

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Perry must have something goin’ for him. He’s been elected once and re-elected two more times.

I’m sure there are those who would chalk it up to “stoopid” Texans. It’s the broad brush application. It comes easy to left-wingers.

Whatever Perry’s got remains to be seen. I’ve never heard the man speak much less debate. Time will tell. I’m all ears.

Anyhoo, Karl Rove can vote for whomever he wants. I’m getting a bit tired of hearing what it is, HE thinks. He’s “The Architect” not the foundation.

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My personal favorite was Billy Carter………….I still have some of his Billy Beer stashed away somewhere………..

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“and if that homeless person”

I was always told that “if” is the biggest word in the English language…………….and “if” he didn’t?

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My personal favorite is David Vitter.

Not sure that a crazy relative can outdo wearing diapers in bed with a hooker.

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“and “if” he didn’t?”

Well, it isn’t a given that a homeless person is unemployed.

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Stands .. Wasn’t Neil Bush a member of the board of directors with the failed Silverado S&L which cost the taxpayers $1.3 billion, and he waltzed away with a fine of $50,000.00…..I believe it is fact!

Dirt on the Bush crime family goingback to ole’ Prescott it could fill up Turner Field…..

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Bosch…..I didn’t buy it to drink……….I bought it to sell………along with my Battling Bulldog Beer.

And yes GG, Billy was a character………like the rest of us, we can choose our friends…….stuck with family. Mine is certainly quite the collection of misfits……..

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“Cadillac with 24″”

24’s??? I thought you had 30’s

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“Bosch…..I didn’t buy it to drink”

OhthankGod. I’ve always been partial to you and were concerned for you safety and well being.

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Adam,

Joke. I’m in food coma too. Did you see that post of mine where I just randomly stopped typing and then posted? Geez.

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Now ain’t you ashamed of yourself for telling a big lie?

Not nearly as ashamed as Vitter.

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“Even after that post, I and other Blacks will still be painted as thinking as one monolithic group who’s dependent on some Democratic official to think for me…”-BROCEPHUS

While perhaps true, voting results have confirmed some of this.

However, it DRIVES me crazy when I see black OR white kids/adults wearing saggy pants.
It sends a HORRIBLE message to the world.
And before someone says “you shouldn’t judge!”… WE ALL JUDGE PEOPLE, all of us do!

I’m with you, Brocephus!

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I am glad to hear you say that you THINK for yourself and don’t need Al and Jessie Limbaugh, Coulter, Faux News and Beck telling the world what you think.

Isn’t it odd that a group of elected officials identifies themselves by the color of their skin large rear end of an elephant with a tea bag on its head and shouts to the world that THEY speak for those with the same color of skin political crudeness? Bizarre… and Racist ridiculous by definition.

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Joe…..this is an anonymous blog, you can call me whatever you want………it’s not like I can do much about it

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Adam

I think the rim thing now is the same as the gold chain thing was in the 80’s. It’s all about size, the bigger they are, the more people fawn over them.

I don’t think many people stop to realize how much those rims negatively affect their cars. When you have heavier wheels on a vehicle than what was originally designed, it does many things to the mechanics of the car itself. First, brakes wear out faster because it takes more brakes to stop the inertia of heavier wheels. The transmission has the potential to wear out faster because of the heavier load placed on it. The speedometer has to be recalibrated because of the larger diameter of the wheel. The suspension of the vehicle takes a beating because it works much harder because of the loss of cushioning effect from the tires.

I’ve never put aftermarket rims on any vehicle I’ve ever owned. If I did, they would be as closely matched to the original specifications in relation to diameter, weight, and offset as possible to keep my car from premature breakdown. Unless it’s a car that I’m using for competition to earn prize money or something I’m restoring just for show, I think the aftermarket rim industry is a complete waste of money.

Bosch

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Exxon Wins Prized Access to Arctic With Russia Deal

Putin/Russia/Exxon- the Arctic- just ducky- what could go wrong here?

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Kammie:

Semantics ……….. everyone uses the term ……… liberal and conservativie alike. You “fire” them.

P.S.

You forgot Billy Boy Clinton.

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TEA PARTY MITTENS?

Mitt Romney attending his first major Tea Party rally:

On Labor Day the Republican presidential candidate will join the Tea Party Express’ “Reclaiming America” bus tour in Manchester, New Hampshire, organizers tell CNN.

Guess ole Mittens knew he had to get in bed to gain some in the polls.

SN: Is “Reclaiming America” one of those code words?

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Md…….I have a case of Billy Beer and a case of Battlin bulldog, that I bought for resale. I also have a case of JR beer , named after the “Dallas” character. It has a pic of a bullet hole in the can and the side says…”If you have to ask how much my beer costs, You can’t afford it’. Have you seen it? I have hundreds more cans. Do you collect?

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24’s??? I thought you had 30’s

I think the latest rage is the 30’s and larger. I’d rather waste money on beer and strippers. I’d get much more enjoyment from my money that way.

USMC: While perhaps true, voting results have confirmed some of this.

Only if that’s the perception you get from viewing the results. It’s all in perception. There’s many Blacks who would vote GOP in a minute if the GOP put forth a candidate that didn’t either belittle Blacks or agree with those who do that. Put forth a common sense candidate that doesn’t hint around with the bigoted crap and actually does things that benefits the Black community, and you will see many Blacks vote GOP.

Simply telling someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps doesn’t benefit a community where hardly anyone wears boots, if you catch what I’m saying. The message AND actions have to be beneficial to the group you wish to get votes from.

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heathen

“Neil Bush could buy the Salon “reporter” and sfd many times over.”

could be. so what.

the $$$$ must be cold comfort for the loss of one’s honor.

he sold that on the cheap

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Brosephus: I saw an Impala that was modified to have 24″ wheels, and doors that swing UP rather than out. I had to marvel at the “why!” of it all.

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“Brocephus, I know what you are saying with regard to “perception”, but the numbers don’t lie.

Obama got 95% of the BLACK vote:”

So what? So did John Kerry.

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“I had to marvel at the “why!” of it all.”

Adam sounds like an upper class yuppie. Why do people buy Ferrari’s? Why do people die their hair blue or blond? Why is Lady Gaga famous?

Same answer.

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Bosch: So what? So did John Kerry.

OH SNAP!

High five on that one Bosch. FINALLY someone pointed out that the black vote doesn’t just “vote black.”

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Obama got 95% of the BLACK vote:

Democrats generally get +90% of the black vote.

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Adam,

Yeah, I wonder how much of the “old fart white guy” vote John McCain got?

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so what, Granny? So what that salon reporter thinks Neil Bush is a dim bulb. Said reporter doesn’t have much to do.

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And I’ll use the money we save for modern ships and planes, and for more troops.

More troops? More wars. More blood. That’s the GOP Way to create jobs.

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“There’s many Blacks who would vote GOP in a minute if the GOP put forth a candidate that didn’t either belittle Blacks or agree with those who do that. Put forth a common sense candidate that doesn’t hint around with the bigoted crap and actually does things that benefits the Black community, and you will see many Blacks vote GOP. ”

As I was telling Woodstock, as one of my co-workers said, until you see a Republican walking thru black communities looking for support, they aint gonna get it.

usmc-”Brocephus, I know what you are saying with regard to “perception”, but the numbers don’t lie.

Obama got 95% of the BLACK vote:”

USMC, you’re apart of the problem stating stuff like that because Blacks vote Democrat 90 plus percent of the time anyway. Let just be frank about things, Republicans do not “court” the Black vote and as long as they live by that arrogance Blacks will continue to vote Democratic.

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Bro 3:16 – when you help the poor, you’re also helping a lot of minorities. You don’t have to have a (reverse) racist type of agenda to help those who are disadvantaged. You just have to do things to help the poor, regardless of race, creed, or color.

And for the record, I’d say Obama has done that in spades. As a matter of fact, there’s a point of diminishing returns. And I think we’ve reached it on unemployment benefits, as well as food stamps (perhaps). In contrast, he has done nothing to revamp Medicaid, which is desperate need of redesign.

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In contrast, he has done nothing to revamp Medicaid, which is desperate need of redesign.

Obamacare, if it was done the way that Congress wanted to do it, (before Obama dumbed it down for the repubs), would’ve addressed that.

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“Obamacare, if it was done the way that Congress wanted to do it, (before Obama dumbed it down for the repubs), would’ve addressed that.”

Shoulda woulda couldas…. whatever

Republicans didn’t stop reform of Medicaid.

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Don’t know how this is linked to the Obama’s. Have they even been to Africa during the administration? I though they only went to Martha’s Vineyard or swanky palaces in Europe.)

Everytime AirForce 1 pulls off the runway, for whatever reason, the Obama’s are crictized for:

1. Wasting tax payers money.
2. Wasting fuel.
3. Whatever lunacy the looney tunes dream up.

His point, I think, was that there’s a double standard here. Are you surprised?

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Republicans didn’t stop reform of Medicaid

Oh really?

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This is wayyy off topic, but I just saw this movie was coming out and the book is excellent:

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi2617613337

I highly recommend it.

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“Isn’t it interesting how Laura Bush took five trips to Africa, and it never became an issue?”–JAY

Yeah, I think Laura Bush was HELPING starving and HIV infected Africans, or something

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If Perry’s’s uncle got a DUI. Would Bookman report it?

Better yet, if Joe Biden shot his best “friend” in the face while “hunting”; would he go to jail?

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Those mean Republicans are at it again. They are telling Hurricane Irene victims they’re not getting help. Thank GODNESS!! President Obama saved them. We know George Bush hates black people and caused Katrina AND blew up those Levee’s. In order to kill black folks.

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Funny how USMC hasn’t replied to ppl pulling his card about “obama got 95 % of the Black vote” BS…lol

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jm: Republicans didn’t stop reform of Medicaid.

Wishful thinking.

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“Funny how USMC hasn’t replied to ppl pulling his card about “obama got 95 % of the Black vote” BS…lol”–Joe Cool

Joe, you need more laughter in your life, buddy

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“old fart white guy” What out there!

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“Joe, you need more laughter in your life, buddy”

Deflect MUCH?

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jm

That’s why I don’t agree with the calls from the Black community castigating Obama for not helping Blacks. Obama should not have to do anything specifically to aid Blacks. If he’s doing something to aid the poor, then the Black community that really needs the help will still be helped. Others need to get off their asses and do for themselves instead of waiting on someone to do something for them.

The Black community, as a whole, has a lot of spending power. It’s evident in the sales of shoes, rims, and other things. If the Black community pooled resources in the same manner that other communities have done and continue to do, there would be much less need for Obama to do anything.

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libs are too funny, if urkle was a Republican sitting President there would be demands of an answer as to why with knowledge of ongoing criminal activity in his family ( his aunt, his uncle) he did nothing.

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perry can only get the con vote.

He can’t win the general.

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Bro “pooled resources”

Though I don’t know what that’s about. I think the poor (and minorities who are poor) are suffering because of education issues (which have a long history behind them), not because of pooled resources issues.

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“Have you seen it? I have hundreds more cans. Do you collect?”

Haven’t seen that one Bada………..and my “collection” consists of 4 six packs……I lost a few during my last move……..before that, I had a lot of beer cans, but collecting wasn’t the motive…………

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getalife – hurricane Katia has not formed yet but is expected to do so soon. What has that to do with the GOP?

“He (Perry) can’t win the general.” That’s your Progressive opinion, of course.

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a sitting President there would be demands of an answer as to why with knowledge of ongoing criminal activity in his family ( his aunt, his uncle) he did nothing.

Exactly WHAT was he supposed to do? Since you’re such a legal scholar please explain the Preisdent’s legal obligation in this instance. Thanks.

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Well, I learned something here today. Brocephus is one of Those People! I always thought he was White. At least his posts were almost as good as White posts. Now I got to rethink alot of things about him and what he says. At the very least Bookman ought to make posters say if they’re White or Those People. That way we’d know which ones to skip without reading them. And you can tell I’m White. I make it very clear in my blog name I’m a Republican.

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Thanks, Brocepheus, for a sensible answer.

For the rest of you, including Bookman, digging up the relatives of George W. Bush has nothing to do with Rick Perry no matter how many insults you manage to plant. Also Cheney is not running for office but he is to be insulted daily also. So, children, I’ll say it again. Bush & Cheney are not ruuning in any election.

It is not cute or sensible to say things like “old fart white guys” or “who is going to jail for shooting someone in the face” “changing diapers” or dragging Laura Bush into this propaganda pile. How low can Democrats get if they add to this disgrace?

Silly question. They can’t get any lower.

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Joe Plumber: libs are too funny, if urkle was a Republican sitting President there would be demands of an answer as to why with knowledge of ongoing criminal activity in his family ( his aunt, his uncle) he did nothing.

Those questions are being asked of Obama, by you and by others, and yes, by the media. Or else you wouldn’t know about it.

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It is unfortunate but it appears the voters of this country have become two very different stark contrasts from voters a few decades ago. It all started with the red and blue state thing. On the liberal side, we have a group of what appears as rational, reasonable and intelligent voters who are simply mortified by the Tea Baggers and the philosophical direction of the GOP. Their propaganda machine is MSNBC; on the other side we have the Republicans, who have seemingly morphed into irrational, unreasonable, science non-believers, Bible-thumpers who place their destinies in the hands of the supernatural, and are quite gullible in believing the ignorant dribble of their propaganda machines of Fox News and Limbaugh et al. For liberals, it is extremely unnerving that GOP voters would even seriously consider the likes of Palin, Bachman or Perry to successfully organize a two-car funeral procession, much less be in charge of the most powerful nation on the planet. For left intellectuals, Jon Huntsman seems to be the only candidate who has a lick of brains. For the GOP, Obama is out to socialize anything in his path and for many voters who are of the “redneck persuasion” can’t stomach the idea that a black man beat out a white man for the presidency (Long live the Confederacy!!). In the meantime, the country is sliding into the toilet because both political parties would rather protect their political interests, rather than to rescue the economic interests of Main Street. It is, as they say, a nation turned upside down. Give us strength going into this new election season. What we don’t need is another Texas country bumpkin even dumber than the one we just endured. When will we learn??

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“the first ever plastic airplane…….” (from Boeing that is)

BTW, thanks in no part to the Obama administration. And if the Obama administration succeeds, production will cease in about a year putting 10,000 people out of a job.

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Joe Plumber: yeah boschy, I know in your fantasy world Illegal Immigrants aren’t criminals. In the real world they are.

Yeah! All of them! And anyone who has downloaded a song without paying for it ever is a criminal too! We should lock them all up!

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jm: I watched that thing circle and land at Oshkosh a couple of weeks ago. Way big!

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md

Obviously the FAA has not been communicating with the NLRB. No point in the FAA certifying a plane that the NLRB isn’t going to permit to be built.

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“I know in your fantasy world Illegal Immigrants aren’t criminals. In the real world they are”

No, not even in the real world are they considered “criminals” — sorry Joe, but fail.

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“How low can Democrats get if they add to this disgrace?”

Obama is legitimized by setting the bar low…

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Perry…

Heaven help us all! Not a good time to be a gay person in America if he runs, much less is elected.
And, I’ll go ahead and go out on the limb…anybody remember what happened to this community when Jedgar was in power?

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Rick James,

I mean, really, do the wingnuts have to end to their faux poutrages?

I guess I need to go fluff the pillows on Joe’s swooning couch.

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Joe Plumber: In a few years when you realize you never grew up in the first place, come back and have a real discussion, instead of bashing on a group of people you know nothing about.

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Luicfer, it’s DRIVEL, not dribble. dribble is excessive salvia, drivel, is mindless or inchoherent babbling. that said, I will give you a Mulligan because your missive makes sense – ‘cept you didn’t mention Ron Paul, who scares both the old/new guard GOP AND the left; and he’s from Texas.

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Jm

Without trying to answer the question for Brosephus on pooling the money. The idea is to keep as much cash-flow and capital investment within the given community by supporting businesses owned and operated by entrepeneurs and corporations owned and or directed by members of that community.

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Granny G’s 3:49 – yep, proved my point. Dems don’t want to reform Medicaid and will say anything.

Democrats: the party of the status quo

Which also happens to be an unholy mess.

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josef – you paid me a nice complement the other evening, but my boss drug me away to dinner before I responded. Thanks and best wishes.

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“first Obama’s aunt, now his uncle are illegal immigrants. His uncle has been here 19 years and has a fake SS card, so the story goes”

SO? Again explain exactly what they have to do with him and them being here illegally?
Ohh wait, he pushed Auntie over the wall?

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Rick James,

You say my head is stuck in the sand. Well, I hesitate to say where yours is stuck.

Nevertheless your pure propaganda strikes are so reminiscent of outdated dirt politics, they really need some Ivory soap. Do you get paid for your “opinions”?

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jm…….agreed on the NLRB……..that is where folks don’t see the invisible hand of Obama……..but I’d guess it will be on display once the debates begin………………

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josef 3:53 – yeah, I’m a free trader. Buying something from someone for twice as much seems stupid to me, even if my brother made it. The issue is education, not creating some sort of co-op, or trade association, or isolationist subgroup. Yeah, I know the Jewish community historically sometimes functioned this way. But that’s not how they pulled themselves out of poverty. They succeeded by working smarter, not because they just did business with one another.

Success lies in having good skills, a usable brain, applying it, and hard work.

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boschy, denial doesn’t look good on you. It is against federal law to enter our country illegally, when that law is broken, the person breaking it has committed a criminal act.
rick james, really you chose to name yourself after a convicted preditor? Why not just call yourself bill clinton, at least he was never convicted. I believe as President that urkle should have been in touch with immigration himself to uphold Federal Law. After all, upholding the laws of America is what he took an oath to do, not just the ones he agreed with.

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JohnnyReb

My pleasure.

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I confess Adam.

I smuggled both of them in

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Joe and Tommy,

It is a misdemeanor, it is not a crime, they are not criminals no more than a speeder is.

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Bosch and Adam……..I somehow doubt the folks waiting around the world to get in……sometimes for many years……would agree with your definitions………..

I always find it interesting how so many are so worried about the ones that jumped the line than they are about the others that may never get here………….I’d hazard a guess they are all nice people too.

Must be kin to that squeaky wheel syndrome…….

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“It is a misdemeanor, it is not a crime”

um, Bosch, you might want to reconsider that statement.

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Brosephus

“I guess this is a case of Romney being against defense cuts before he’s for them.”

Seems like it gets back to what Jay was saying earlier: the Republican power brokers tolerate no dissent from orthodoxy so the candidates toe the lie to get the nomination. Also noted he will not have the freedom, if elected, to say ‘thanks for your support, there’s the door.’

It still disgusts me, but I’m closer to accepting the reality.

And I hope Jay’s assessment on the second part will be proven wrong.

jm

“Have they even been to Africa during the administration? I though they only went to Martha’s Vineyard or swanky palaces in Europe.)”

He did, early on. If I recall correctly, his staff was taken aback by the times they heard “we love Bush” during the trip.

Public relations was not a Bush administration strong point.

Brosephus

Your observations regarding black leaders: strikes me as very much a generational thing. They’ve done a number of marvelous things, but sometimes the Old Guard has difficulty accepting new realities.

Redneck Convert

“. And you can tell I’m White. I make it very clear in my blog name I’m a Republican”

It’s the Internet. You can say you’re whoever or whatever you want to be.

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Bosch: I think you better go look up the definition of a misdemeanor. Use Black’s Dictionary.

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Joe Mama,

There is no secret to what I mean. I like people to act like decent citizens which includes telling the truth and not twisting it, not talking in public with bathroom language, remembering that former presidents have served this country whether anyone liked it or not. That is just a start.

Criticism can be healthy but only in decent terms. Today’s politics have forgotten that but I and many others have not.

Sure, we all have free speech. I do too. But it behooves us all, to think before splattering mud everywhere to try and score a few “points”.

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I think the poor (and minorities who are poor) are suffering because of education issues (which have a long history behind them), not because of pooled resources issues.

There’s many educated Blacks who can’t get the capital needed to start businesses. The pooled resources relate to those who already have the means (capital) joining together to start venture capital companies, for example, to aid those who have the skills but not the capital to get off the ground. Other communities have done that in the past, and the Hispanic and Asian communities does that now to help each other. It isn’t even necessary to form a company to do that. All that’s needed is the combined effort from within the community to see one and all succeed.

However, in the Atlanta area, more black-owned businesses have been started since the recession begun. Blacks have not waited for corporate america to save them, they’ve started saving themselves.

That’s what I’m talking about. It doesn’t just stop with starting businesses though. The community has to frequent those businesses to aid their survival and growth. It’s not coincidence that Buford Hwy has stores that cater to specific groups that are frequented by those same groups.

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Tommy,

Do you know the difference between criminal and civil law? People who are here illegally are breaking a civil law, therefore are not subject to incarceration for that offense alone.

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You know, anyone who bothers to communicate with someone who thinks receiving a misdemeanor doesn’t mean they’ve committed a crime is wasting their time at best…..

Bosch, why I even bother…..

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I see the topic has shifted to Obama not abiding by immigration law.

Does the Left seriously think the Right would deport 11 or 12 million people? Givemeabreak. There is merit in going after the criminals, etc., but goodness, don’t broadcast it to the world. The real issue is closing the borders so that history is not repeated once a solution is decided. Announcing we will not deport people who are not criminals is an invitation to come on over.

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I meant to type “the candidates toe the line” not ‘toe the lie” but what I typed seems more accurate -

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Joe, Plumber — “boschy, denial doesn’t look good on you. It is against federal law to enter our country illegally, when that law is broken, the person breaking it has committed a criminal act.”

Nope. Check the applicable statutes. It’s a document offense, akin to driving without a valid license or registration.

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Jm
I know the Jews are supposed to be the classic example of this and that has carried with it a lot of hostile baggage. Still and all though, the old “I got a brother who can get it for you wholesale” is at work, though today we prefer to call it “networking!”

You find a very similar line of thought and action among other groups who have made the greatest strides in the USA…Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, Armenians, Greeks come to mind. The point of education is, of course, key, these groups also place a high value on just that.

It is a three stage process, really…first you have to develope your own community through community self-reliance, second you have to emphasize the education necessary to compete in the mainstream economy, and third, once on the equal playing field, you don’t forget where it is you came from so that you are continually reinvesting in that community…

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Bosch

I didn’t backtrack the conversation, just the misdemeanor/criminal part. The topic is illegal immigration?

Hey guys, even Fox says it’s a civil, not a criminal, thing –

Something to do with the US Code and statutes and all that legal stuff that gets in the way of our opinions.

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Capitalism is designed to do one thing and one thing only:

Make rich people richer.

Period. All else is talking around the point.

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At least Neil Bush is not some hack writing for the Salon rag. Talk about dimwits.

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jm: Your word mincing is missing the point. And you’re doing it on purpose.

Rick Perry didn’t say he wanted to end Social Security, he just said it was a Ponzi scheme.

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Speaking about amnesty for illegal immigrants. Wasn’t it Saint Ronnie who granted 3 million illegal aliens amnesty?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672

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Supporting perry exhibits they think it will be a different result this time..

It is a cry for help because that is the definition of insanity.

Their brains should be studied.

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The only person who can stop Rick Perry is Rick Perry – Not according to American University professor Allan Lichtman and his never failed
prediction system

Y’all have a lovely evening, it may actually be nice enough to sit outside for cocktail hour a bit later…..

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So are you guys advocating for scrapping the system all together? No more borders? No more customs? Free for all entry into the country??

No more Soco?

What exactly is it you propose?

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way = weight. oy

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weight = weigh. krike

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godless – sure does. misdemeanor = a crime

also, related, yes, a misdemeanor is less serious than a felony. duh. liberals = captain obvious

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Paul 4:20 – I prefer facts. 99% of traffic violations aren’t misdemeanors or felonies. To equate a misdemeanor and a traffic violation is a completely spurious claim.

oy, the stupid, it just hurts. usinuk’s keyboard slamming. oy

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Addressed to any defending the current practice of not abiding by the current system in place…….

If one doesn’t like the system, what is one’s alternative to the situation?

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“At least Neil Bush is not some hack writing for the Salon rag. Talk about dimwits.”

Oh rght on heathen…No Neil is a miscreant who when he divorced his wife of 23 years fessed up that he had contacted std (herpes) from some very expensive ladies in Hong Kong, and other asian
sex hotspots. And, I’ll bet dimes to dollars he reported this as an expense on his taxes.

Stop with the nonsense a Bush is a Bush!

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I get the impression 75% of the liberals here are over 65. Maybe the retirement age really should be just 65. Cause senility seems to have set in pretty seriously among this crowd.

Misdemeanors aren’t crimes. Democrats haven’t stopped Medicaid reform. The government’s fiscal situation is just fine. Cons are evil. Only in liberal-la-la land do these ideas make any sense.

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jm

“To equate a misdemeanor and a traffic violation is a completely spurious claim.”

You are taking the position some traffic violations are not misdemeanors?

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