With latest success, ’strategic defeat’ of al Qaida within reach
From AP:
WASHINGTON — U.S. and Pakistani officials said Saturday that al-Qaida’s second-in-command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, has been killed in Pakistan, delivering another big blow to a terrorist group that the U.S. believes to be on the verge of defeat.
Since Navy SEALs stormed Osama bin Laden’s compound and killed him in May, the Obama administration has been unusually frank in its assessment that al-Qaida is on the ropes, its leadership in disarray. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last month that al-Qaida’s defeat was within reach if the U.S. could mount a string of successful attacks.
“Now is the moment, following what happened with bin Laden, to put maximum pressure on them,” Panetta said, “because I do believe that if we continue this effort we can really cripple al-Qaida as a major threat.”
A Libyan national, al-Rahman never had the worldwide name recognition of bin Laden or bin Laden’s successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri. But al-Rahman was regarded as an instrumental figure in the terrorist organization, trusted by bin Laden to oversee al-Qaida’s daily operations….
Senior al-Qaida figures have been killed before, only to be replaced. But the Obama administration’s tenor reflects a cautious optimism that victory in the decade-long fight against al-Qaida could be at hand.
“It does hold the prospect of a strategic defeat, if you will, a strategic dismantling, of al-Qaida,” incoming CIA Director David Petraeus said in July.
Two weeks from tomorrow, we mark the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. It has taken longer than most Americans probably expected, and it has come at a higher cost than almost anybody anticipated, but we can now mark the occasion with at least some satisfaction that justice — at least the type of justice within our earthly power — has been served.
– Jay Bookman
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1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:15 pm
Blue @ 4:13
Before I respond in detail, please tell me your service ……….. dates, rank, MOS, units, combat experienced, etc. …………… if you please.
Zap Rowsdower
August 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
“Bumper Sticker:”
Better yet: Hope and Change.
Priceless.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
4:16 pm
scout is demeaning our military with his partisan posts.
He should cease and desist these attacks on our country .
Too partisan to celebrate our troops victories.
Stop it scout.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 28th, 2011
4:17 pm
Scout, with 10% unemployment, there are 30 million Americans who don’t “work for a living”. Are you suggesting that in losing one’s job, he/she loses his Constitutional right to vote? and let me ask you this; your backstory is well-know, have you ever heald a “private sector” job? from what I understand, you were a DoD employee, followed by a career in federal law enforcement. seems to me you should be thanking communists and criminals for keeping you employed.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 28th, 2011
4:18 pm
1811 is clearly kept by a better man, our President Obama.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
“Blue @ 4:13
Before I respond in detail, please tell me your service ……….. dates, rank, MOS, units, combat experienced, etc. …………… if you please.”
You are not to judge others service.
Stop it.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
Brosephus:
There is a lot of truth in what you say. Believe me ………… I have seen it at the highest levels firsthand.
However, I believe the basic difference in a conservative vs. a liberal is seeking the truth (exceptions granted).
For example, I (a die hard conservative) during the previous administration would post against the President’s policies if I thought they were wrong (preparation for the Iraq War, immigration, etc.).
On the other hand, I don’t know of any liberals on here who ever do that ………… and Jay certainly would never post a thread against something Obama had done. It’s just not in their biased nature.
Thulsa Doom
August 28th, 2011
4:19 pm
Joe the Plutocrat,
You completely missed my point. My point is that the media simply dropped the issue completely after Obama became potus- same with Gitmo. You don’t find this curious as to how the issue completely disappeared after Obama became potus?
Your post doesn’t say when the patriot act was extended so I’m not sure if it was literally last Thursday or not. I would be curious to know if the Dems had a chance to repeal it during the first 2 years when Obama and the Dems had both houses of Congress including a near filibuster proof 59 seat Senate.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 28th, 2011
4:20 pm
Dick Cheney says to 1811 that it is none of his dang business how many deferrments he’s had.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
4:21 pm
“Dick Cheney says to 1811 that it is none of his dang business how many deferrments he’s had.
”
Hilarious.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:23 pm
Plutocrat:
1) I have held several private sector jobs including the one I worked my way through college with.
2) People who “never” work should not have their vote cancelled by those who do. It becomes de facto “taxation without representation” and we know where that leads.
Just my opinion.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 28th, 2011
4:23 pm
For example, I (a die hard conservative) during the previous administration would post against the President’s policies if I thought they were wrong (preparation for the Iraq War, immigration, etc.).
On the other hand, I don’t know of any liberals on here who ever do that ………… and Jay certainly would never post a thread against something Obama had done. It’s just not in their biased nature.
1811,
I think you conveniently left out the “if I thought they were wrong” part for those “liberals” that you so conveniently included in the statement covering your a$$. How convenient.
Thulsa Doom
August 28th, 2011
4:23 pm
Kamchak
August 28th, 2011
4:14 pm
Bumper Sticker:
Vote Democrat: It’s $5 for your vote plus cigarettes and beer!
Sometimes ya just gotta help out the libs with their typos.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:24 pm
Bill Clinton says to 1811 that it is none of his dang business how many deferrments he’s had or how much he lied to avoid the draft.
Brosephus
August 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
For example, I (a die hard conservative) during the previous administration would post against the President’s policies if I thought they were wrong (preparation for the Iraq War, immigration, etc.).
On the other hand, I don’t know of any liberals on here who ever do that ………… and Jay certainly would never post a thread against something Obama had done. It’s just not in their biased nature.
Just because you don’t see or read it for yourself doesn’t mean that all liberals are just oozing love for Obama. You should branch out with your reading. I’ve read opinion pieces from both sides of the political isles that have taken exception to things Obama has done.
If you’re looking for a Liberal to just come out and say they hate everything about Obama as many conservatives have said, I don’t think that will ever happen. I didn’t hear many conservatives complaining about GWB until he was almost done with his second term. At that time, people were abandoning him as if he were the Titanic II.
Gotta run… Y’all have fun.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:25 pm
Anonymous:
“I think you conveniently left out the “if I thought they were wrong” part for those “liberals” that you so conveniently included in the statement covering your a$$. How convenient.”
And thank you for making my point. In most cases a liberal never thinks another liberal is wrong. They just cover for them.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
4:26 pm
scout,
President Clinton would tell you to support the troops.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:27 pm
getalife:
I do.
He didn’t.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
“I didn’t hear many conservatives complaining about GWB until he was almost done with his second term. At that time, people were abandoning him as if he were the Titanic II.”
Some here thinks he did nothing wrong.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 28th, 2011
4:28 pm
1811,
I did not realize that you were pointing out your own hypocrisy with your earlier post. Good for you.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
4:29 pm
No you don’t scout and the last person that should judge other people’s service.
Give it a rest.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
4:31 pm
Out for dinner. Everyone be nice.
Midori
August 28th, 2011
4:33 pm
thulsa –
I buy my own cigarettes, cognac and beer.
would you believe I did that even during the last administration?
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
4:35 pm
Before I respond in detail, please tell me your service ……….. dates, rank, MOS, units, combat experienced, etc. …………… if you please.
Scout…I have already given you the details of my military service, a few years ago but under another name.
AmVet
August 28th, 2011
4:35 pm
So American Jews hate Israel, but the GOP sycophants love her?
Hysterical.
I have seen some truly idiotic excuses regarding the reason US Hebes always vote against Republicans, but that one takes the (cup)cake.
You can make up sh*t this funny.
I better enjoy this kid’s shtick while I can. This one ain’t gonna last very long…
Hiya Doom, how ya been?
“Vote Democrat: It’s $5 for your vote plus cigarettes and beer!”
Niiice!
How about vote Republican for your $2 per gallon gas!
Less than a week before college football cranks up, auguring in the start of…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-nfLIoqarQ
Mick
August 28th, 2011
4:36 pm
1811
Not true about disagreeing with obama. As a matter of fact, he has disappointed time and again. He is at this point still far and away better than the rest of the pack, that is just my opinion – nothing more, nothing less…
Zap Rowsdower
August 28th, 2011
4:37 pm
“So American Jews hate Israel, but the GOP sycophants love her?”
Vet don’t get sarcasm. No wonder little cupcake is so confused.
Zap Rowsdower
August 28th, 2011
4:37 pm
“President Clinton would tell you to support the troops.
”
With cigars.
Zap Rowsdower
August 28th, 2011
4:38 pm
AmVet
Did your master Obama buy you a new double wide for voting for you?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 28th, 2011
4:38 pm
Thulsa, it was extended earlier this year, but I do not have the exactl date and I am too lazy to “do the Google”. the point is; the Patriot Act, like the Commodities Futures Modernizarion Act (introduced by GOP Phil Graham, but signed into law by Clinton because “…if I vetoed it, the House would override the veto…”) are classic examples of Plutocracy in action; and the “media” is part of the plutocracy (save our host, but his employer… not so much). so the elephants vs donkeys and reds vs. blues angle is “reported” by the press, and the “over/under” on things like GITMO or the Patriot Act, is set to determine who is “right” and who is “wrong” (or who is right and who is left), but in the end, the bills that supposed to be passed are passed, but not without great political theatre. do yourself a favor; got to amazon.com and see if you can find a copy of a book called “The Puzzle Palace”. I think the author’s name is James Bamford. it’s about the NSA. the telecom giants have been in bed with the CIA and NSA since the 50’s and 60’s. warrantless wiretaps or evesdropping is not something new. but see my earlier post; in the 50’s and 60’s, it was the “Russians” and the Cold War that was used as justification for this unconstitutional policy. now it’s the “war on terrorism”. and I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that 40 or 50 years from now, it will be revealled via FOIA or declassified stuff, that al Qeada’s “threat” was minimal and we did not need to spend (estimate on DoD and intelligence agency funding) $10 trillion from the first WTC attack through the raid that killed bin Laden.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 28th, 2011
4:42 pm
Bachmann: Elect me and I’ll give you $2/gallon gas.
Perry: I’ll see you$2/gallon gas and throw in a $1000/month cut in social security. Top that, mofo.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 28th, 2011
4:42 pm
Scout, c’mon. I caddied my way through college and worked as a busboy in H.S. what I mean to say is; if you’re working your way through college you are not technically part of the workfoce.
AmVet
August 28th, 2011
4:44 pm
So Zapped, don’t play stupid.
You know exactly why MOTs vote by huge margins against your kind.
It’s just fun watching you squirm and flail like some drugged out ballerina.
From that same monster LP…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz5PYxEHb6o
Zap Rowsdower
August 28th, 2011
4:46 pm
“You know exactly why MOTs vote by huge margins against your kind.”
What’s “my kind” Vet? Seeing as how you don’t know me from anyone else, I find that statement to be juvenile and ridiculous. Also, I have no idea why Jews vote for Dems other than the fact that they want higher taxes.
Zap Rowsdower
August 28th, 2011
4:46 pm
“It’s just fun watching you squirm and flail like some drugged out ballerina.”
tick…tick…tick….
Keep up the insults, Vet. Shows just how immature you are.
Thulsa Doom
August 28th, 2011
4:50 pm
Midori, Okay. I laughed.
AmVet,
I’ll take that $2 gas under Bush gladly. Then again I’ld take beer and liquor under Dems also. Don’t smoke but if they offered a nice Dominican cigar I would take them up on that too for the promise of a vote. Only thing is they just wouldn’t be able to verify my voting once I got in their and I pulled the L for libertarian instead of D for Demo or R for Repub.
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
4:54 pm
School superintendent gives up $800,000 in pay
‘There’s no reason for me to keep stockpiling money,’ he says.
From a blue state …Geez who would have thunk?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44305388/ns/us_news-giving/
Kamchak
August 28th, 2011
4:55 pm
Only thing is they just wouldn’t be able to verify my voting once I got in their[sic] and I pulled the L for libertarian instead of D for Demo or R for Repub.
Dishonest.
I act all shocked and awed if it will make you feel any better.
Mary Elizabeth
August 28th, 2011
4:59 pm
Scout @ 3:26
Then, why would Jesus say – in Luke 12 – that those who criticise him could be forgiven, but that those who blasphemy the Holy Spirit could not be forgiven? Those words of Jesus show a nuanced difference within parts of the Holy Trinity.
I know the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. I was raised knowing it. I read your words, but I felt no Holy Spirit in your communication with me about your knowledge.
Please don’t respond. We perceive differently.
Thulsa Doom
August 28th, 2011
5:02 pm
Joe the Plutocrat,
I know what you mean about google. Interesting thing. You mention the telecomm giants being in bed with the NSA since the 50s. Well if I remember correctly there was only one and that was AT&T until we deregulated in 86 which to me was one of the greatest pieces of legislation ever the telecomm dereg act of 86. Look at the explosion of phone and internet technology since that year and it all goes back to this act. But I digress- the NSA being in on wiretapping since the 50s wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
My point is that the media made a gigantic thing about Bush and the whole patriot act for no other reason than to oppose Bush. Does anyone really care about if your phone is tapped on a call to Pakistan or Aghanistan?
One thing that most people have no clue about is the FBI’s echelon program which came into being under Clinton. You would be shocked at the scale of the echelon program. It is well worth the googling for anyone on here.
Last I read your post I think to scout where you don’t think working your way through college is technically work. You completely lost me there. I had to work my way through college also and anytime you are working and paying taxes even if it is a bs job like washing dishes as I did as a teenager it is work. And of course there aint nothing wrong with that kinda work as several of us, you, me, and several others on here had to do it to get through college. Still counts as work in my book.
Thulsa Doom
August 28th, 2011
5:04 pm
Kammy the Poo,
I guess you can now add mindreader to your rather limited resume.
josef
August 28th, 2011
5:09 pm
ZAP
American Jews hate Israel? Do tell. Did I miss a memo?
kayaker 71
August 28th, 2011
5:10 pm
You libs rail against the Patriot Act yet you ignore pages 58 and 59 of the Bozocare legislation where the government is allowed to be privy to your checking accounts, savings accounts and other investments as long as they have an account number. The government will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from these accounts at will.
HB 3200 will require at least 150K new employees to manage health care. That number of people could easily secure our southern border.
Page 50, Section 52. the bill will provide health care for all, even if they are illegal immigrants.
The bill will provide subsidized care for labor unions and for all community organizations, ie ACORN.
Page 241…. All doctors will be paid the same regardless of specialty and the government will set all doctors fees.
Page 271…. Cancer treatment will be determined by the patient’s age.
Finally, this bill will not pertain to members of Congress. They have their own health care plan.
Seem fair to you? Aren’t you just a little concerned about the government having so much leverage as to your health care, or anything else for that matter. The very first mandate of any elected Republican elected in 2012 is to immediately repeal this sorry excuse for a health care bill and replace it with something that makes sense. I am surprised that supposedly intelligent people could defend these insane provisions of a bill that the majority of Americans do not want.
Thulsa Doom
August 28th, 2011
5:12 pm
AmVet,
Nice one on Autumn. Damn I’m jonesing for some football. I think AU is going to drop off some this year but the crimson tide is ready to ROLLLLLL!!!!! 4 more days till it kicks off on Thursday night! Gawd I can’t freaking wait.
Good thing its Sunday and the mail lady isn’t coming today. Otherwise I’m getting so amped up over football that I would have to stiffarm her at the mailbox or sack her with a jarring blindside hit.
@@
August 28th, 2011
5:14 pm
Not one peep from the media about the patriot act since Obama became potus. Wonder why that is?
A lot of things they’ve fallen silent on. His supporters here too.
It’s almost as though their principles take to flights of fancy.
Woooooosh! Then you saw ‘em, now you don’t.
@@
August 28th, 2011
5:24 pm
I didn’t hear many conservatives complaining about GWB until he was almost done with his second term.
I was with Bush on his approach to national security, his Afghanistan strategy, and many of his social policies (immigration reform, home ownership for minorities, SS reform).
I bailed on the bailouts.
Kamchak
August 28th, 2011
5:29 pm
I guess you can now add mindreader to your rather limited resume.
You confessed that you would renege on whatever deal was offered.
Doesn’t take a mind reader to determined your dishonesty when you readily admitted it.
pogo
August 28th, 2011
5:31 pm
Nothing to celebrate. For everyone of the Muslim terrorists that is killed four more take his place. Either here overseas. Northwest/central Penn is beautiful. Just got back. And they can’t stand Obama either. Never seen so many “don’t tread on me bumper stickers.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 28th, 2011
5:46 pm
…The two sides appeared in Barrie’s courtroom Aug. 19 for a hearing that was cut short when club officials abruptly agreed to turn over all the requested documents. But when Shepherd and his attorney met a few hours later with Fash and the club’s attorney, Shepherd was asked to sign an agreement to keep the records confidential, including a pledge not to turn them over to the police…
Oh those Young Republicans! They sure don’t fall far from the tree.
josef
August 28th, 2011
5:48 pm
ZamVet
Well, Zap doesn’t seem to know. Did I miss a memo? I’m trying to catch up here…
osama
August 28th, 2011
5:51 pm
i sure miss BUSH.
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
5:51 pm
Pogo…..
What’s that saying James Carville used to describe Pennsylvania? There’s Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and in between you’ve got Alabama!
osama
August 28th, 2011
5:52 pm
BUSH was my pal. elect a black man and u see what he did to my neighborhood. BOOM
osama
August 28th, 2011
5:56 pm
THE REPUBS have a reputation for being “strong on defense”, but 9/11 happened on DUBYAS watch. i guess if a lie is repeated enough folks believe it to be the truth
getalife
August 28th, 2011
5:58 pm
“It’s almost as though their principles take to flights of fancy.
Woooooosh! Then you saw ‘em, now you don’t.”
Ouch.
Four more years.
liberalefty
August 28th, 2011
6:00 pm
the PEE PARTY hate OBAMA so much that they wish a 9/11 style attack on AMERICA will happen so he can look weak like DUBYA did.
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:00 pm
Osama
So, 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch…lessee he went into office in January and 9/11 was in September…them’s some bad a33es managed to pull all that together in just 9 months…!
getalife
August 28th, 2011
6:10 pm
I am voting for the people that did not vote yes on ending Medicare and wanted to quit on our debt.
Simple.
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:13 pm
getalife
I’m not voting FOR anybody…just AGAINST…give me somebody to vote FOR and I will…
md
August 28th, 2011
6:16 pm
Not to mention those bad asses came in and went back before Bush ever took office…..but the side choosers will ignore that fact…………
md
August 28th, 2011
6:17 pm
“I am voting for the people that did not vote yes on ending Medicare and wanted to quit on our debt.”
I think we found the guy that writes the memos……………..
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:20 pm
md
Howdy, Mate! Hope life’s treating you as well as me…
And that thing about the side choosers…I can’t for the life of me get a handle on what’s at work in the warped and twisted recesses of their conscience…the terrorists wouldn’t know a Dem from a Repub and it wouldn’t make a sh*t’s worth of difference to them…
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
6:23 pm
Plutocrat @ 4:42:
Because I worked full time (brakeman on the railroad) for three years and went to school part time.
How’s that?
AmVet
August 28th, 2011
6:24 pm
jonix, I have no clue, but clearly the guy has issues. Looks like another Tucker miscreant gone homeless.
And trying to get an honest or intelligent response from him seems, shall we say, problematic.
Some of us got into a Yes theme this weekend…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTjbWL6XYoU
liberalefty
August 28th, 2011
6:24 pm
@josef
BUSH was in charge and maybe the WMD’S he “seen” in IRAQ blinded him to the real threat. to bad BUSH was weak on defense
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
6:25 pm
Mick @ 4:36 :
Then that makes us even farther apart as Americans and “that” is scary.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 28th, 2011
6:25 pm
I think the “9/11 happened on Bush’s watch” complaint has more to do with Bush’s apparently apathy toward bin Laden between January 2001 and September 11, 2001; and his shameless enthusiasm for a disproportionate response; which included invading Iraq. truth be told, the expression is quite accurate, as there are shifts for every “watch”. this is to say, the bank guard or sentry is not responsible for preventing the “planning” of an attack or crime, but rather the execution of the plan. and if you buy into the 9/11 Report narrative as it relates to “systemic failures” the POTUS is responsible for the “system” per his Oath of Office. I am not ready to proclaim myself a “truther” but the August 2011 memos were pretty clear and one wonders why Bush apparently ignored the “chatter” and red flags.
getalife
August 28th, 2011
6:25 pm
Josef,
Sounds good to me.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 28th, 2011
6:27 pm
Scout, well OK then. WHEN was the last time you held a private sector job, and for how long?
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
6:28 pm
out of the blue:
“Scout…I have already given you the details of my military service, a few years ago but under another name.”
Well, I can’t remember every post on here so it would not be too much to ask to repeat it.
However, there are all types of veterans. There are for example “Vietnam Era” veterans who served as computer technicians and never left the states. Then there are “Vietnam Veterans” who served in infantry combat for 13 months.
Some veterans choose to express themselves in different ways depending on what they saw and experienced.
Some post their feelings and history/background on blogs ………………. and (oh, the horror) some even lecture, write books and produce movies about their experiences. I suppose you might disagree with that at your American Legion visits ???
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
6:32 pm
Plutocrat:
Now you are deviating from your original jab that I had never held a private sector job. I have. Several.
That said, I choose to serve my country first in the military during time of war (with a true desire even at that young age to show my gratitude for what my country had given me) and then I felt the deisre to continue that service in federal law enforcement (34 years) after college. By doing that I locked myself into government pay (whatever it was) with regulations against any other outside employment (as if I had time).
Again, I chose that career as a way to serve my country. I could have done many other things. I don’t regret it and would do it all over again.
Some walk the walk ………… some talk the talk.
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:33 pm
lefty
How do you figure that Bush’s “weakness” is responsible for 9/11. I’m by no means a Bush-ite, but to say he is “responsible” for 9/11 flies in the face of all reason…the time lining is, well, pretty much that of Good Little Liberal…the WMD’s and all that came AFTER 9/11…
JOE
There is more than a modicum of legitimacy to what you are saying, but it also applies to the previous administration…
pogo
August 28th, 2011
6:34 pm
Strange thing though, I also saw the stickers in Pittsburgh (spent a day and night there). The we went to a very large wedding up in St. Marys and people were there from all over the country. I am talking large numbers of people from Virginia as well as from Pennsylvania. Not a one of the ones I spoke with and partied with were going to vote for Obama again even though they admitted they did the first time.
And for all of the liberal knashing of teeth about conservatives wanting the worse for the country just because “they can’t stand Obama” remember, even if this were true (which it isn’t) we could have learned it from you and your treatment of Bush. We can’t stand Obama because he was an unqualified media-driven candidate who really didn’t have the right stuff to be the executive and that has proven through the attempted implementation of his extreme liberal keynesian and socialist/ union catering economic ideology that were were exactly right. His ineptness has been nothing but fuel for the economic and social fire that was already burning due to Clinton and Bush. He is the most racially and ideolically polarizing president that this country has ever had and that makes us weaker as a nation. Besides, every since he was elected nothing but bad has happened to us economically even though we haven’t had any major natural catastrophies (as much as the media and the left wanted Irene to be) nor have we had any major terrorists attacks (unless you count the ones that Obama won’t classify as terrorist attacks such as the Fort Hood incident). He seems to be “jinxed” and we all know what that means; he has to go. Some presidents are born with a black cloud over their head. The big difference with Obama is that his cloud is of his own making.
md
August 28th, 2011
6:34 pm
Jo…..doing great…..just spent a beautiful day on the water.
As for 9/11…..luck of the draw……..as I said, the hijackers came first came in while Clinton was still in office….left, and came back for the big event. makes no difference who was in office…..had Clinton been been eligible for a 3rd term, it still more than likely would have happened……
Same with OBL……..continuing effort……the intelligence has been building since 9/11……”we” would have gotten him eventually regardless of who was in office……..D or R.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
6:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BVdbjVwjDA&feature=email
getalife
August 28th, 2011
6:37 pm
Yeah, focusing on obl and aq had nothing to do with it……………………………..
We defeated aq.
Another huge accomplishment.
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
6:37 pm
Joseph, I think you would have to agree with 9/11 did happen under Bush’s watch. The planning for the attack was more than likely pre Bush….But, it was Bush, and his advisors who ignored that presidential daily briefing entitled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US” which included “by hijacking US aircraft. Under Clinton..Richard Clarke stayed on top of all the terroristic threats that were provided by the CIA, NSC and the rest of the intelligence community. I could go on here, but all one has to do is google the names Rice…Rumsfeld, Cheney, powell….et al.
1811/0311
August 28th, 2011
6:38 pm
Scout and I are off to the dogpark.
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:43 pm
POGO
“He is the most racially and ideolically polarizing president that this country has ever had and that makes us weaker as a nation.”
No, he is not. He has done a pretty good job of transcending race, in my opinion. The same can’t be said of the polaricists of both sides who want him to be a symbol/lightening rod.
The most racially polarizing president? Woodrow Wilson, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Abraham Lincoln, Jefferson Davis, Andrew Jackson…all come in ahead of him…
osama
August 28th, 2011
6:43 pm
i miss my pal DUBYA…ahhh the good ole days!
theyeshaveit
August 28th, 2011
6:43 pm
Scout,
Military service is one thing, but I cannot buy that signing up to work for the government as a civilian is necessarily service to one’s country.
theyeshaveit
August 28th, 2011
6:44 pm
osama,
Pine not, W2 is on the horizon. Look West young man. Look West to Governor Perry.
woodchuckie
August 28th, 2011
6:45 pm
Right on queue, here comes the liberal media to Obama’s defense. In this iteration, it’s the subjective Associated Depressed:
“Obama takes charge at hurricane command center”
Seriously? Now that the danger has passed, it’s safe for Barry to come and “take charge.”
And what’s a hurricane without High Priest Algore:
“Gore: Global warming skeptics are this generation’s racists.”
This is actually becoming comical.
And then there’s Holder’s DOJ invading Gibson guitars and looking for illegal wood:
“Federal agents swooped in on Gibson Guitar Wednesday, raiding factories and offices in Memphis and Nashville, seizing several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. The Feds are keeping mum, but in a statement yesterday Gibson’s chairman and CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, defended his company’s manufacturing policies, accusing the Justice Department of bullying the company. ‘The wood the government seized Wednesday is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier,’ he said, suggesting the Feds are using the aggressive enforcement of overly broad laws to make the company cry uncle.”
Nice to know this Obama administration has its priorities straight. Someone said “illegal” and the administration granted immediate amnesty for tens of thousands of illegals for votes. But damn that wood!
And then there’s this government gem:
“Twelve-Year-Old’s Green Tea Stand Shut Down in Massachusetts.”
Liberals are taking the hate on the Tea Party a little too much methinks.
osama
August 28th, 2011
6:46 pm
@pogo
you right OBAMA is inept, remember 9/11? you were doing sooooooooo good with DUBYA GUMP in office.; 9/11, 2 expensive wars our graNDKIDS will have to pay for.etc
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:48 pm
out of the blue…
It is not that it happened “under his watch,” however short a length of time that watch had been, but is much as md said, it was “luck of the draw…” Whoever was in office, it would have happened much as it did…
This was simply not something that we, our intelligence services, our governmental leaders or Joe Shmo on the street, would have imagined in our wildest speculations…
Another attack being forewarned? Sure, a Cole, a WTC bombing, a terrorist hijacking, sure…but flying planes into skyscrapers? No…no one saw that coming…
liberalefty
August 28th, 2011
6:48 pm
OBAMA is a kool confident black man who cant be flustered and that pisses a lot of insecure PEE BAGGERS off.
theyeshaveit
August 28th, 2011
6:49 pm
out of the blue,
I blame Bush for a lot of things, but 9/11 is not one of them. Look. If the bases were loaded before Bush took to the mound, you cannot blame the guy for the homerun that unloaded the bases.
liberalefty
August 28th, 2011
6:49 pm
@josef
maybe another president would have stopped OSAMA,
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
6:51 pm
Scout….First of all, people like you are the reason I avoid the Legion and the VFW!
Second of all WHO are you to question me?
liberalefty
August 28th, 2011
6:51 pm
if DUBYA GUMP had gotten OSAMA conservatives would be touting his “strong on defense” credentials. lol
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
6:54 pm
theyeshaveit
out of the blue,
I blame Bush for a lot of things, but 9/11 is not one of them. Look. If the bases were loaded before Bush took to the mound, you cannot blame the guy for the homerun that unloaded the bases.
Eyes .. I think you mistook me for whoever made that commment. It wasn’t me!
theyeshaveit
August 28th, 2011
6:57 pm
out of the blue,
Well, it is possible for me to have a “senior moment” every now and then…speaking of senior moments…The American Legend and the VFW are on CPR.
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:57 pm
liberal
And maybe if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his a33 when he jumps, but he don’t so he does…speculation like hindsight makes for fodder for parlour games, but is immaterial…
eyes
Exactly. He did enough to blame him for, but this one is stretching it a bit far…
liberallefty…
Obama is a cool and confident man…you are playing the same game as the tea baggers in insisting on bringing his melanin content in…
josef
August 28th, 2011
6:59 pm
my @ 6:57 got snagged by the Blue Nose…I forgot one of her verboten…let’s try this…
liberal
And maybe if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his a33 when he jumps, but he don’t so he does…speculation like hindsight makes for fodder for parlour games, but is immaterial…
eyes
Exactly. He did enough to blame him for, but this one is stretching it a bit far…
liberallefty…
Obama is a cool and confident man…you are playing the same game as the tea b**gers in insisting on bringing his melanin content in…
getalife
August 28th, 2011
7:01 pm
w was warned but dismissed it by saying “you covered your a ss.”
He was the “did not see it coming ” president.
We need to move on from the w disaster .
Bad history.
out of the blue
August 28th, 2011
7:01 pm
Haven’t been in one in years. Now I tell my war stories to my dogs, and when they come wagging their tails I give em both a treat…
theyeshaveit
August 28th, 2011
7:02 pm
My two cents:
As long as some kids in the middle east are taught to hate the west, there will be an ample supply of new leaders for future Al Qaidas. Chinese and Koreans grow up being taught that back in World War that the Japanese committed atrocities on their ancestors. The result? A lot of antipathy today for deeds committed by people upon people who are mostly dead today.
liberalefty
August 28th, 2011
7:07 pm
i find it strange that the repubs who looked silly for 8 years under DUBYA’s incompetence think they are strong on defense!
josef
August 28th, 2011
7:08 pm
eyes
@ 7:02
It is not, in my opinion, so much THAT they are being taught it as it is HOW it is being taught…it’s always the conumdrum facing the history teacher…
theyeshaveit
August 28th, 2011
7:14 pm
liberalfly,
Well, which repubs are we talking about? In today’s Republican Party you have a number of grand old weezers who are the latest proponents of isolationism. In the same GOP, you also have Ron Paul. But perhaps the real question is why is that? Is it a change of heart? Did they get the religion? What made the hawk metamorphose into a dove? Or…or…is it simply demagoguery? Hmm.