With latest success, ’strategic defeat’ of al Qaida within reach
From AP:
WASHINGTON — U.S. and Pakistani officials said Saturday that al-Qaida’s second-in-command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, has been killed in Pakistan, delivering another big blow to a terrorist group that the U.S. believes to be on the verge of defeat.
Since Navy SEALs stormed Osama bin Laden’s compound and killed him in May, the Obama administration has been unusually frank in its assessment that al-Qaida is on the ropes, its leadership in disarray. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last month that al-Qaida’s defeat was within reach if the U.S. could mount a string of successful attacks.
“Now is the moment, following what happened with bin Laden, to put maximum pressure on them,” Panetta said, “because I do believe that if we continue this effort we can really cripple al-Qaida as a major threat.”
A Libyan national, al-Rahman never had the worldwide name recognition of bin Laden or bin Laden’s successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri. But al-Rahman was regarded as an instrumental figure in the terrorist organization, trusted by bin Laden to oversee al-Qaida’s daily operations….
Senior al-Qaida figures have been killed before, only to be replaced. But the Obama administration’s tenor reflects a cautious optimism that victory in the decade-long fight against al-Qaida could be at hand.
“It does hold the prospect of a strategic defeat, if you will, a strategic dismantling, of al-Qaida,” incoming CIA Director David Petraeus said in July.
Two weeks from tomorrow, we mark the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. It has taken longer than most Americans probably expected, and it has come at a higher cost than almost anybody anticipated, but we can now mark the occasion with at least some satisfaction that justice — at least the type of justice within our earthly power — has been served.
– Jay Bookman
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Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
8:40 pm
Normal
Please explain why the truth about the Mission Accomplished banner was spin. The banner was created by the crew on board the aircraft carrier and was not brought on by the President’s entourage. It had been created several days before the announcement was made that the president would be on board.
The carrier was headed back to the states after they had accomplished their mission.
Now please, if you have any information that disputes anything I have written, please offer it, but just calling my point spin is hardly any sort of intelligent arguemnt
josef
August 27th, 2011
8:40 pm
BROSEPHUS
Got ya…
Just Another Anonymous One
August 27th, 2011
8:44 pm
I just don’t see Obama as promoting the Bush Doctrine as some suggest. I think he does have to clean up after Bush though and he does have to finish off AQ since they are the ones that attacked US.
josef
August 27th, 2011
8:45 pm
MARY ELIZABETH
I think you may be a bit too taken with hero worship on our President and ranking him with MLK…just my opinion, but he and his policies have a lot more in common with Woodrow Wilson…he’s very much about power, an idealist approach, no doubt, but power nonetheless…
BRUNO
My jury is out on that policeman to the world thingie…I think President Obama is taking the right path in expanding that police force to include other countries taking on their share…
Shabootyquiqui
August 27th, 2011
8:46 pm
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
8:35 pm
One day we won’t need their oil and they can go back to being bedouins.
That day will never come my friend, unless you believe we can power the United States with windmills LOL. Like it or not we’ll always need their oil. We’ll pay whatever price they demand for it…or we’ll take it.
josef
August 27th, 2011
8:46 pm
Anonymous
Habeas corpus is still MIA and so long as that’s the reality, it’s the Bush Doctrine…
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
8:47 pm
Perhaps we should have just put him in a cinder block building with his family and just blown all of them to bits.
And given the chance I believe many, many of the neo-cons would do just that
They are really not much more than would-be barbarians themselves.
Fortunately the rest of us won’t allow the torture-from-on-high, recidivist criminals and their coddling sheeple to get away with it…
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
8:47 pm
how Obama’s ideas are consistent with the ideas of King.
Cant speak for a dead man, of course, but King was fervently anti-war. I can’t believe that he would be in favor of our world-wide military engagements. I can’t agree that he and Obama are like-minded in this way.
Normal
August 27th, 2011
8:48 pm
Of course the crew made the banner, but Bush used it for his own theatrical production. Bottom line, after “Mission Accomplished” the killing began and over 4000 of our boys and girls died. Bush should have “stayed the course” and kept after Bin Laden, period.
josef
August 27th, 2011
8:49 pm
SHABOOTY
“They” have never been Bedouins. Bedouins do not now nor have they ever played nasty…good people with a true live and let live way of seeing man and his role in the great scheme of things…would that “they” were Bedouins…
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
8:52 pm
AmVet
“And given the chance I believe many, many of the neo-cons would do just that”
Perhaps they would have. But of course the difference isn’t whether conservatives would do that, it’s a matter of fact that Obama is ordering it done and liberals are praising him for doing it. So as far as barbarians, conservatives might be, but liberals DEFINATELY are.
“Fortunately the rest of us won’t allow the torture-from-on-high, recidivist criminals and their coddling sheeple to get away with it…”
Given the option of getting ones face all wet and turning a person’s family to charred ashes, I would tend to go for the wet face.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
8:52 pm
Just be happy we are finally winning wars.
Now, how about some more of that Clinton peace and prosperity.
Get out of the way gop.
ty webb
August 27th, 2011
8:52 pm
come on guys, a little consistency please…obama “inherited” the capabilities to get Al Qaida…and with Cynthia now at UGA, I heard her class, “Throwing the Race Card 101″ is full, but “Intro to Victimhood” has a few spots open.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2011
8:53 pm
getalife,
“A strong and competent leader”. He couldn’t lead ants to a picnic. He has not lead us into a financial recovery, his “leadership” has not resolved a 9+% unemployment rate, his “leadership” has resulted in even 63% of democrats saying that we are headed in the wrong track, not to mention 58% of blacks (the ones who have enough balls to express an opinion)….. totally a whopping 79% of the electorate believes that this country is headed in the wrong direction. He might be a great leader but he is sure screwing the pooch according to the American people…. or don’t all of those people matter to you?
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
8:54 pm
I think President Obama is taking the right path in expanding that police force to include other countries taking on their share…
No argument from me about other countries shouldering their fair share, as long as we remain numero uno.
That day will never come my friend, unless you believe we can power the United States with windmills LOL. Like it or not we’ll always need their oil. We’ll pay whatever price they demand for it…or we’ll take it.
Other forms of nuclear energy which are safer will likely be developed one day Shabooty. Cold fusion may be a reality one day.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
8:54 pm
Normal
Here’s a link to the speech given by Bush on the aircraft carrier that day.
http://middleeast.about.com/od/usmideastpolicy/a/me080921a_2.htm
See if you can find Bush saying that the mission in Iraq was over. I understand that you have an opinion on whether Bush used the sign, but considering that the only thing that was ever done with the images from that day was to hammer Bush, I would think that your offering that Bush used the sign is complete nonsense.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 27th, 2011
8:55 pm
Habeas corpus is still MIA and so long as that’s the reality, it’s the Bush Doctrine…
So there continues to exist two schools of thought on the matter. To each his or her own reading of the tea leaves.
moonbat betty
August 27th, 2011
8:56 pm
It’s never over.
GATA, boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c3d7QgZr7g
Just Another Anonymous One
August 27th, 2011
8:57 pm
come on guys, a little consistency please…obama “inherited” the capabilities to get Al Qaida…and with Cynthia now at UGA, I heard her class, “Throwing the Race Card 101″ is full, but “Intro to Victimhood” has a few spots open.
You seem to be well versed on her every move. Obsess much.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
8:57 pm
Anonymous–Did you watch the Maddow clip all the way through?? Though she waffles here and there, ultimately she concludes that Obama’s rationale in Afghanistan IS an example of the Bush Doctrine. As I said above.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
8:58 pm
kay,
cons are not all the American people.
Just because your party thinks that cons are all the American people does not make it true.
You are brain washed by rw media.
The only poll that matters is this election.
You will lose.
@@
August 27th, 2011
8:58 pm
Seriously, jay?
It matters not a whit whether you’re buying it, Zap.
What’s it gonna take, Obama prancing in a flight suit on the deck of an aircraft carrier beneath a “Mission Accomplished” sign?
Something I would expect from a lamebrain liberal, not a journalist.
Behavior unbecoming a professional in my opinion.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
8:59 pm
Probably a good time for some cool music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoDXzvXxUbc
josef
August 27th, 2011
9:00 pm
Anonymous
The Writ of Habeas Corpus lies at the very core of our Anglo-American freedom…without it, we have nothing…
BRUNO
Chief of Police, eh?
oldguy
August 27th, 2011
9:01 pm
Hey Jay and Get,
Please post the time and place of the surrender ceremony for Al Qaida to our “Fearless Leader”!!
The real truth:
Muslim has been at war with the world since 705 AD (that’s christian dating for you libs!). AQ is just the latest version of religious war.
To be ready to declare victory is less than nieve, its stupid!
There has been 1300 years of warfare, it will not end in our lifetimes (or century).
You libs are soooo desperate to find a success for inept Obama that you will claim anything!!
Show me the disbanding of the TSA as proof that we are safe and I’ll start believing this CRA$!!
17 Months until we are BHO free !!!
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
9:01 pm
I’m going to run in a 5K race at midnight tonight. A local tradition they call “The Midnight Express” put on by a popular barbeque restaurant. Free bbq sandwich at the end.
ty webb
August 27th, 2011
9:02 pm
“Obsess much.”
yeah, I’ve got a thing for race-baiting and botox.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
9:03 pm
Chief of Police, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwLRSKpSha4
Mooshy, mooshy, mooshy.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:04 pm
Well, real Americans will celebrate this victory.
While the gop are “trying to get the President”, our President is adding to his list of accomplishments.
Imagine what he could do if the gop stop acting like aq and work with him.
We might recover the 14 millions jobs w lost.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
9:06 pm
The number one reason that we are hated in the arab world is because of our unequivocal support of israel. I know, I was there and the weaponry that israel uses to defend and bully the palestinians comes from the US. It is that connection that fuels the hate. I’m not anti-israeli, many of the israeli’s don’t even like the way the palestinians have been treated. There is not enough land to make everybody happy, we are blessed here in the US. Native americans have been very forgiving about the european takeover, lucky for us……
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
9:06 pm
Torture is unAmerican.
The criminals Bush and Cheney promoted it.
THE FIRST AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION EVER.
Beyond disgraceful. The United States of America USED to be respected as being above that kind of crap. Thanks to those serial f&ckups, were now on the same list as Afghanistan, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Malaysia, Morocco, Nepal, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.
The worst ever. Period. Own it, would be American Taliban.
Cherokee
August 27th, 2011
9:06 pm
Pretty sad, old guy and the rest of you cons, that your bitterness and hatred for Obama leads you to disrespect the very real victories we’ve had recently in the war on terrorism.
Like someone else said, try a little patriotism, ‘k?
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2011
9:07 pm
getalife,
Only 14% of voters feel that the country is headed in the right direction. Only 21% of the electorate strongly approve of what Bozo is doing. 45% do not. The President trails a generic Republican by a total of 5 percentage points. 83% of whites feel that this country is headed in the wrong direction. A lot of those white people put Bozo in the WH. Think that they are going to vote for his sorry a** in 2012? When 2 + 2 still equals four, there doesn’t seem to be much doubt. However your denial doesn’t surprise me much. This is one “con” who believes that you live in fantasy land.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:09 pm
“Like someone else said, try a little patriotism, ‘k?”
I failed to get them to act like Americans.
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
9:09 pm
yeah, I’ve got a thing for race-baiting and botox.
I’ve got a thing for Sarah Shahi
Probably not the thing you have, though.
oldguy
August 27th, 2011
9:10 pm
Hey Ty,
When it comes to Jim Jones type coolade Get gets it by the Gallon!!
What burns me the most is that my Ga tax money will be going to pay the salary of “race is everything” CT while she teaches race hatred to the UGA students.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:12 pm
AmVet
LOL!!
Yea, getting one’s face all wet is definately a crime. Now where is that remote control for that drone. Sure he’s with his family and we will probably kill lots of innocents, probably some kids, will do more damage to our relationships with even moderate Muslims, but hey, it least if we can find the faces of the guy, his wife and his children, I would be willing to bet that their burnt, melted faces will be dry.
moonbat betty
August 27th, 2011
9:12 pm
“I’m going to run in a 5K race at midnight tonight.”
that’s cool Bruno.
I’ve been doing at least 2 races a month. You feel great afterward.
There’s a race coming up the night daylight savings time ends, so you finish before you begin.
And I really want to play this 80’s nostalgia old cheesy tune (more because of the band), sorry if it offends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMGatR8SNns
oldguy
August 27th, 2011
9:12 pm
Kayaker…….. wasted effort…….facts mean nothing to a true believer!!
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:13 pm
“It does hold the prospect of a strategic defeat, if you will, a strategic dismantling, of al-Qaida,” incoming CIA Director David Petraeus said in July.
Listen to him kay and stop following polls with the election over a year away.
The poll right before the election will show our President winning big.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
9:15 pm
bruno
Funny thing about that clip, I remember seeing it the first time it aired – great show…
ty webb
August 27th, 2011
9:15 pm
oldguy,
yeah, but sadly, she’s probably no worse than any other indoctrinator at any other public university or college.
moonbat betty
August 27th, 2011
9:17 pm
“I failed to get them to act like Americans.”
Dude, if you talked that way to anyone’s face, you would get swatted like a fly.
Amvet:
“Torture is unAmerican.
The criminals Bush and Cheney promoted it.
THE FIRST AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION EVER.”
Not the first, and not the last.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
9:18 pm
Digging the Manfred Mann selection, moonbat betty. My only concern about running tonight is that I haven’t trained at all since running the Peachtree on July 4. That and it’s still almost 100 degrees here in Columbus.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:18 pm
AmVet
And oh yes, Launching these attacks in countries like Pakistan (A nuclear power) is doing wonders for our relationships to such countries.
Rachel Maddow is launching a two part series on post 9-11 and it opens with the story of the meeting between a Pakistani Nuclear scientist and Osama bin Laden. This happened a month before 9-11 and Pakestan told on Obama.
I have a feeling that they wouldn’t be so quick to tell on a terrorist group, looking to build a nuke after all these drone attacks on a country that we aren’t at war with.
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
9:19 pm
not to mention 58% of blacks (the ones who have enough balls to express an opinion)…..
So, it’s your opinion that Blacks who do not share your opinion don’t have the balls to express their non-agreement with you, even when they do exactly that? Maybe the 42% have balls enough not to be bullied into agreeing with you just for the sake of disagreeing with Obama as you do.
Got the balls to express an opinion… Sh*t like that and the crap that Tommy Maddox posted at 7:32 should give you more than enough pause to wonder why many Black Americans, even those with conservative views, will almost never back a conservative candidate. Period!!!
Mick
August 27th, 2011
9:20 pm
Bunch of crybaby’s whining about CT, if you had to walk in her shoes and life, you might have a little empathy instead of contempt. Lets do the math: 300 years of slavery, 60 years since civil rights in the 50’s. 60/300 or roughly 1/5 the amount of time for actual rights and you think we are even steven? Go cry a river….
ty webb
August 27th, 2011
9:21 pm
funny how the poutrage over waterbording comes out on a blog in which the topic is the killing(I would all caps “killing” for emphasis, but I find that quite annoying)of a suspected terrorist without his “day in court”…oh well, the bourbon is calling…ya’ll play nice.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:21 pm
moonbat betty
“Not the first, and not the last.”
Remember Viet Nam? Push the first guy out of the helicopter. Ask the second guy a question. No answer? Push him out. Ask the third guy. No answer? Bye bye.
Poor AmVet. Sometimes he just doesn’t think before he writes.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:21 pm
“Dude, if you talked that way to anyone’s face, you would get swatted like a fly.”
Talked like what?
Telling the truth.
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2011
9:21 pm
getalife,
These pols might be a year away but they reflect the discontent of the electorate, or is that to difficult a concept for you to grasp. It’s not working, getalife. Bozo’s “leadership” has gotten us no where. He won’t get reelected because some military drone has taken out an AQ #2. He will not get reelected if the jobs numbers are above 8%. No president since FDR has done that. He will lose because his vision is in the bucket, his view of America as we know it is not to the liking of that 79% of Americans that I pointed out to you earlier. Even Democrats at 63% are dissatisfied with how Bozo is doing. It is so great to hear Maxine Waters ask permission of her black constituents if she can criticize Bozo. The natives are restless, getalife. Their messiah has not produced. He’s pissing off everyone.
oldguy
August 27th, 2011
9:23 pm
Do well Bruno!!
My daughter (a recovering cancer patient ) was due to run a 5K this morning but the weather caused it to be cancelled.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:23 pm
kay,
Your party attacked just about every American in this country.
They voted to end Medicare.
They wanted to quit on our debt.
Wake up, you are going to lose.
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
9:24 pm
Reminder to self,
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. ~Anonymous
betty, I never thought of Manfred Mann as cheesy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT9TlxipBPc
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
9:25 pm
Give Me the Good Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIArxs62HMk
Still have this one on vinyl from my college days ^^^^^^^
RW-(the original)
August 27th, 2011
9:25 pm
just my opinion, but he and his policies have a lot more in common with Woodrow Wilson
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:26 pm
AmVet
Sling an adolescent insult and run away. Always your best option. LOL!!
Mick
August 27th, 2011
9:26 pm
yaker
You are in la la land if you think those polls translate into votes against obama. The cons have gone so far to the right, the only sane choice will be obama – like it or not….
kayaker 71
August 27th, 2011
9:27 pm
Enough for tonight. This “con” is going to bed. Denial is such an elusive thing. The obvious often alludes the most well intentioned.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:29 pm
getalife
When did republicans vote to end Medicare.
Let me guess. You can’t come up with a date because it never happened. So plaese. Let’s see another rant while avioding my question.
No don’t disapoint me.
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:29 pm
kay,
If he starts another war like Iraq and collapses the global economy, I will admit you are right.
Right now , I will celebrate this great news that you can’t bring yourself to celebrate.
Mary Elizabeth
August 27th, 2011
9:30 pm
josef @ 8:45
“I think you may be a bit too taken with hero worship on our President and ranking him with MLK.”
——————————————————
That statement is really beneath you, josef, but I will explain.
I am not into hero worship. I am into ideas. Read and reread Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize Speech and his speech in Cairo, Egypt, as I have done, several times, and really digest what he is saying.
I simply see the world much as Obama does and as King does. It has absolutely nothing to do with “hero worship” which is adolescent in nature. Again, I am into ideas.
I am so far beyond being emotionally adolescent that I am embarrassed for those who persist in that analysis of how I think, that I should even be called upon to address such a frivolous charge. In my opinion Obama is trying to move the world in the same way that I am trying to move my small part of the world into the 21st century.
King was a prophet, an activist, and an a believer in the deepest aspects of the American dream. We all know this. Further, King believed that reality could be formed from a dream (as his memorial demonstrates symbolically in its walk through from despair to hope). He knew he had the stuff with which to make that transformation happen in our nation, and he gave his life in so doing, further helping our nation to fulfill its original ideals. We should all admire and honor that in King.
Obama is a world leader, a politician who must be more pragmatically focused with realities as they are (such as war as present in Afghanistan) and he must serve this nation’s interests as its President.
However, knowing that his role requires that leadership of him does not put him in a “box” in which he cannot also have ideas that transcend his role as president and have a vision for trying to tilt the world in the same direction as King, in smaller steps at a time than King could do as prophet activist.
Obama mentions the difference between his role and that of King’s role in his Nobel Peace Prize Speech. I hope many will read it. Our president has an enlightened mind. I appreciate that in his mind just as I appreciate Jefferson’s – for their complex ideas. I also believe Obama is a very strong leader and I believe that that comes from high intellect. When you have high intellect it can give you a quiet steel of automomy. It is such that so many have not evolved to see yet that strength does not have to be domination, either in nation or in people.
For the last time, my thinking has absolutely nothing to do with hero worship. That you would perceive my thinking in such a stereotypical way is truly a disappointment to me. Surely, as much as I have posted on this blog, you should have seen by now that I am into ideas, and have been all of my life, even from the time I was a quite a young girl.
.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
9:31 pm
cowboys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwoiy-Fwm0E
getalife
August 27th, 2011
9:31 pm
lil lib,
Look it up.
The senate voted too.
It lost.
moonbat betty
August 27th, 2011
9:32 pm
ME, lighten up, Francis.
Just Another Anonymous One
August 27th, 2011
9:34 pm
Once the Republican Party is in complete control, deregulation will be the first order of energy independent business and we can return once again to the power and the glory that is Massey, et al. If only there were such a thing as clean coal. Just imagine.
Paulo977
August 27th, 2011
9:34 pm
Jay
“you cannot celebrate your own country’s success against its enemies?”
That is sad, sad, sad!!
” Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation”
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:35 pm
Mary Elizabeth
You pointed out Obama’s problem without even knowing that you did. His speeches mean nothing. You are right that King was an activist. he ACTED. And he acted in the same vien as he spoke. That’s why he was a great man. Obama makes great speeches and then does nothing like what his speeches say.
If people would judge Obama’s actions instead of his well crafted speeches (which aren’t even his own words) he would have about 2% of the population still behind him.
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
9:35 pm
…lighten up, Francis.
Trite.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:36 pm
getalife
No they didn’t
YOU LIE!!!
But nothing new. You always lie.
moonbat betty
August 27th, 2011
9:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m0smgVgbwM
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
9:36 pm
Someone linked this gem recently, and I was really impressed with the songwriting of a 19 year old Curtis Mayfield…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wd4tlX5t-Q
moonbat betty
August 27th, 2011
9:37 pm
that 9:36 was to getalife, since they block everything else.
josef
August 27th, 2011
9:41 pm
Brosephus
The truly ironic thing is that the Black American is perhaps the most “conservative” amongst us,sharing more in common with their “Redneck,” “Hillbilly,” and “Cracker” compatriots than the ones who want to play the “box” game would ever want to admit.
josef
August 27th, 2011
9:46 pm
RW
I figured that Wilson reference would get a rise from you…but, really, it’s not that off the wall…Versailles and the self-determination of peoples’ and all that, Northeastern Ivy League elitism,etc.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
9:46 pm
Am–Dug the Gypsy Woman selection. Another oldie, but goodie I heard today on Soul Street:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2F-XX0Ol0
Dig the 70s video, Brosephus.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
9:48 pm
Possible blog theme song?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XlqudTC–I
oldguy
August 27th, 2011
9:50 pm
Maybe true Josef,
But
You and I both know what will happen when it comes time to pull a lever on the voting machine……
90+% of the black community will vote race (as aways).
RW-(the original)
August 27th, 2011
9:50 pm
josef,
I agree the reference isn’t that off the wall. That’s why the old “are we ever going to learn” electric shock hit me and left me as nothing more than a speechless emoticon.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:51 pm
josef
This is wierd to me. If you know about Wilson, you have to know about his stance on racial purity, the KKK and his efforts to reverse the advances of Black people made since the Civil War. He is the founder of the modern Progressive Party. When Hillary Clinton said that she was a Progressive like the old fashion progressives, she had to know about Wilson and Sanger, but she said it anyway. But then you defend Democrats like they were the second coming.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
9:54 pm
Mick–Can’t go with that blog theme, sorry. Here’s the original blog theme suggestion, since overturned a few times depending on the circumstances:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiRhzTsSnk
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
9:56 pm
BNruno
I sort of like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCDoBvG1HoI
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
9:56 pm
Mick
I gotta say this one fits better as blog theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp1ZGW9MdbI
Paulo977
August 27th, 2011
9:56 pm
GLL
re: “If people would judge Obama’s actions instead of his well crafted speeches”
Let me help you, friend….
http://thegazette.com/2011/08/27/obama-has-impressive-list-of-accomplishments
josef
August 27th, 2011
9:57 pm
Mary Elizabeth
MLK and Obama are both men with all the virtues and flaws associated therewith. Neither, I would posit, would want adulation and, with all due respect, you have a tendency that direction. You, like Bruno, are an idealist–and there’s nothing wrong with that, and I share that–but…
Mary Elizabeth
August 27th, 2011
9:58 pm
Good Little Liberal @ 9:35
“You pointed out Obama’s problem without even knowing that you did. His speeches mean nothing. You are right that King was an activist. he ACTED. And he acted in the same vien as he spoke. That’s why he was a great man. Obama makes great speeches and then does nothing like what his speeches say.”
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Did Christ’s speeches mean nothing?
Did King’s speeches mean nothing?
Did Winston Churchill’s speeches mean nothing?
Did the Gettysburg Address mean nothing?
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Speeches are the heart of who we are. King spoke and wrote throughout his life and he chose (or was chosen) to be an activist. Obama chose to be a senator and a president, if elected. He is a public servant who is trying to make a difference – in his role – just as King was in his role. We should not call one role better than the other. Most will agree that Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt were great presidents. Why not this president, if he proves to be that, over time? One does not have to be simply an activist to be considered “great.”
I think Obama is doing everything he has laid out in his speeches, but to see it, you must see not only with a daily vision, but a long-ranged vision. He could do so much more for our nation, if forces were not trying passionately to make him “a one term president.” Trying to do that is what is so sad, and even very hurtful, for our nation, as a whole – as well as petty, in spirit, I might add.
In King’s day, he was not thought of as a great man by many and he was maligned almost as much as Obama by those who resisted change. It took the state of Arizona twenty years to even approve of a King holiday to commemorate his life. That – in the long run – has not spoken well for Arizona. We forget so easily.
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
9:59 pm
josef
If a certain segment of America would cast off their “superiority” complexed individuals, they would gain a substantial bloc of voters. However, when you let the most bigoted amongst you continue to taint your entire group, it’s so much easier for the opposition to gain those votes you would normally receive.
josef
August 27th, 2011
10:05 pm
GLL
Where do you get the idea that I defend the Democrats? I hold them in only slightly less contempt than the GOP. I am quite well aware of WW’s opinions and actions. I don’t see an awful lot of difference between his foreign policies and those of President Obama. Both would have been right at home in Judah P’s State Department…
RW-(the original)
August 27th, 2011
10:05 pm
MLK and Obama are both men with all the virtues and flaws associated therewith. Neither, I would posit, would want adulation…
josef,
I apologize in advance for butting in here since I haven’t read your exchange with Mary Elizabeth, but you’ve got to be freaking kidding. Obama absolutely thrives on, craves and even cajoles for adulation.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
10:07 pm
Paulo977
Yes, lots of accomplishments, but accomplishments that have continued to hurt our economy. So yes, forcing tons of regulations onto companies, forcing many to flee to other shores may seem like a great thing unless you happen to be feeding your family by working for one of those companies.
He’s accomplished in the overthrow of a stable government in Egypt by Islamic mobs and now Egypt is under the control of their Jew hating military. Not so good for Israel.
The list goes on and on. Yes, he has accomplished pushing the US toward more and more government, but less and less private industry. Good for bureaucrats, not so good for everyone else.
So . . . . yes, he’s accomplished a lot . . . . unfortunately.
out of the blue
August 27th, 2011
10:07 pm
I confess AmVet it was I who posted “Gypsy Woman”
And since tomorrow is Sunday………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHpoGK1aX5Y
getalife
August 27th, 2011
10:08 pm
lil lib is the liar:
Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55721.html#ixzz1WHkeZnlB
ryans plan ends Medicare.
Fact.
Bruno
August 27th, 2011
10:08 pm
Kam–Pretty cool tune @ 9:56, nice feeling to it.
1811/0311
August 27th, 2011
10:08 pm
I just read an article desribing the British “youth” who were involved in all of the recent rioting as “feral children”.
And we have many here in this country. They were never raised right and like wild animals they will in all probability be forever “feral”.
1811/0311
August 27th, 2011
10:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fnpx6MspBI&feature=related
Normal
August 27th, 2011
10:09 pm
…for what it’s worth…
Breaking from Newsmax.com
Pro-Israel Glenn Beck Says Jews Are ‘Constantly Talking’
Let’s get this right: Glenn Beck, the radio shock jock who recently left Fox News to form GBTV, loves Israelis and the Jewish people.
But his love for Jews seems to vanish when they open their mouths — which led him to make some remarks that will undoubtedly be interpreted as anti-Semitic.
Beck, who recently hosted a “Restoring Courage” rally in Israel, said on his radio show Thursday that Jews drive him crazy when they talk over one another.
“They’re constantly talking! I don’t know how that society even functions,” Beck said.
He then compared them to members of a family of eight constantly interrupting one another at dinner.
Beck quickly defended his remarks, adding that there is no one as pro-Israel as he. Beck has always been a staunch defender of Israel on his show, often to an extreme that makes many uncomfortable.
Yet he has also earned the ire of Jewish groups for his Nazi references and for his crusade against George Soros, a Holocaust survivor.
© 2011 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.
and with this…goodnight, y’all
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
10:09 pm
josef
Oh come on. You were trying to blame the Republicans on the genocide of the plains Indians. The Ghost Dance resulted in more natives being killed than the policies of the Republicans.
RW-(the original)
August 27th, 2011
10:11 pm
Well damn, just as I was getting settled in I’m being called away. Y’all have fun and laissez les bon temps rouler.
Later
getalife
August 27th, 2011
10:12 pm
Actually RW,
He shies away from adulation.
He will say what he has accomplished.
He is in a reelection campaign.
josef
August 27th, 2011
10:14 pm
Brosephus
@ 9:59
And from the liberal perspective, G-d forbid!
Jokes aside, though, that “superiority” card has been played by both “sides” for how long to keep their good thing going. Once those groups do see common cause, it will be a whole new revolution.