With latest success, ’strategic defeat’ of al Qaida within reach

From AP:

WASHINGTON — U.S. and Pakistani officials said Saturday that al-Qaida’s second-in-command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, has been killed in Pakistan, delivering another big blow to a terrorist group that the U.S. believes to be on the verge of defeat.

Since Navy SEALs stormed Osama bin Laden’s compound and killed him in May, the Obama administration has been unusually frank in its assessment that al-Qaida is on the ropes, its leadership in disarray. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last month that al-Qaida’s defeat was within reach if the U.S. could mount a string of successful attacks.

“Now is the moment, following what happened with bin Laden, to put maximum pressure on them,” Panetta said, “because I do believe that if we continue this effort we can really cripple al-Qaida as a major threat.”

A Libyan national, al-Rahman never had the worldwide name recognition of bin Laden or bin Laden’s successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri. But al-Rahman was regarded as an instrumental figure in the terrorist organization, trusted by bin Laden to oversee al-Qaida’s daily operations….

Senior al-Qaida figures have been killed before, only to be replaced. But the Obama administration’s tenor reflects a cautious optimism that victory in the decade-long fight against al-Qaida could be at hand.

“It does hold the prospect of a strategic defeat, if you will, a strategic dismantling, of al-Qaida,” incoming CIA Director David Petraeus said in July.

Two weeks from tomorrow, we mark the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. It has taken longer than most Americans probably expected, and it has come at a higher cost than almost anybody anticipated, but we can now mark the occasion with at least some satisfaction that justice — at least the type of justice within our earthly power — has been served.

– Jay Bookman

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Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
5:51 pm

Not buying that for one second. Try again, Jay.

Jay

August 27th, 2011
5:53 pm

It matters not a whit whether you’re buying it, Zap.

What’s it gonna take, Obama prancing in a flight suit on the deck of an aircraft carrier beneath a “Mission Accomplished” sign?

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
5:55 pm

“It matters not a whit whether you’re buying it, Zap.”

Same can be said for you, Bookman.

“What’s it gonna take, Obama prancing in flight suit on the deck of an aircraft carrier beneath a “Mission Accomplished” sign?”

Still butt hurt over W, aren’t cha. Too bad Obama’s gonna be a one term president.

Jay

August 27th, 2011
5:58 pm

Has your Obama-phobia grown so perverted that you cannot celebrate your own country’s success against its enemies? Has it come to that?

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
6:06 pm

Jay

Did you really need to ask that question @ 5:58?

Jay

August 27th, 2011
6:07 pm

Consider it rhetorical, Brosephus.

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:07 pm

“Has your Obama-phobia grown so perverted that you cannot celebrate your own country’s success against its enemies?”

Says the guy who did nothing but bash Bush for 8 years. Hey Bookman, your propaganda is showing.

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
6:09 pm

Good Little Liberal

August 27th, 2011
6:09 pm

Jay

Come on Jay.

The mission accomplished banner was for the crew of the carrier and their mission was accomplished. That crack was beneath you.

getalife

August 27th, 2011
6:11 pm

Great news Jay.

Thank you.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 27th, 2011
6:13 pm

Well, chalk this one up to My President. He sent the troops over there. This Obama is just a caretaker till we can get rid of him in 2012 and start another war someplace, since this one’s winding down. You got to give us Republicans one thing: we’ll ship your kids to war quicker than you can blink. Some of them even make it back alive.

Anyhow, I’m headed up to Billy Bob’s for awhile. Me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill are going to jaw and drink for a few hours. I’m going to take it easy this time. I don’t want to show up at the Church of Holiness drunk again.

Have a good Saturday night everybody.

Good Little Liberal

August 27th, 2011
6:15 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

If we had more people like you, the advancements since Snuffy Smith and the Bevery Hillbillies would be erased. Thank God that most people know better.

getalife

August 27th, 2011
6:18 pm

“Has your Obama-phobia grown so perverted that you cannot celebrate your own country’s success against its enemies? Has it come to that?”

You betcha :)

1811/0311

August 27th, 2011
6:21 pm

Tell that to the families of the 30 SEALs killed a few days back.

Fighting terrorism now is like fighting the mafia or crime in general. It will never go away.

To think we have “defeated” A.Q. or Islamic terrorism is naive beyond the pale.

josef

August 27th, 2011
6:22 pm

My optimism is a bit more muted than some. A great deal has been done and, as President Bush told us at the outset, we were looking at a decade(s) long process. My concern is that we will become complacent as a new generation of similar frame of mind and rogues take center stage.

The recent New Arab Awakening does offer us in the West a great opportunity to show that we are also equally committed to supporting this generation’s aspirations to determine their own destinities freed of the old way of doing things. Just after 9/11, we have a certain amount of postive public sentiment in that corner of the world. Let’s hope and pray we don’t waste it.

1811/0311

August 27th, 2011
6:23 pm

Kammie:

“Religious “thingies” aren’t always common sense.”

You need to improve your reading comprehension.

Try these two sentences ………….

Religious “thingies” aren’t common sense.
Religious “thingies” aren’t always common sense.

Do you see a difference ?

Ooops ! Fish got off the hook ………………. always the one that got away !

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:24 pm

Jay

I know it sucks that your messiah is gonna be a one term president, but come on dude, there is no way AQ is on it’s death bed. No matter how much you and Chris Matthews get a thrill up your legs, nothing will change the fact that Obama is a terrible president.

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:25 pm

Brosephus

I’ll ask you again. Did Obama pay for your gas money and buy you a new house?

1811/0311

August 27th, 2011
6:25 pm

Mick:

Again, you and I represent the great divide in our country.

We are so different that only one of us can even be close to right …………. and “that” is the scary thing.

1811/0311

August 27th, 2011
6:26 pm

Zap:

What Jay just posted is called “whistling in the dark”.

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:27 pm

“What Jay just posted is called “whistling in the dark”.”

Must be lonely without the queen of race baiting to keep him company at the AJC.

1811/0311

August 27th, 2011
6:30 pm

“New York Mayor – ‘Staying behind ‘is against the law’…”

Uh, ……………… so is coming to this country illegally and some of the things you have done in New York City to facilitate illegal aliens.

If you are going to lead Mr. Mayor, it must be with integrity.

1811/0311

August 27th, 2011
6:31 pm

Zap:

You’re right on that. They posted the same threads (and on the same day) constantly.

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
6:36 pm

Zap

Can you not read? I answered your question already… Begging for attention doesn’t become you. :roll:

josef

August 27th, 2011
6:38 pm

BROSEPHUS

Aw, throw him a few hush puppies! :-)

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
6:40 pm

josef

I’m not one to keep feeding those with the need to always be the center of attention. Not my M.O.

RW-(the original)

August 27th, 2011
6:47 pm

Aw, throw him a few hush puppies!

Screw that! Throw him the licorice jelly belly’s and save the hush puppies for us.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I’ll say one thing for Obama. He sure is backing up that talk about us not needing any place to keep captured suspects.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
6:47 pm

Senior al-Qaida figures have been killed before, only to be replaced. But the Obama administration’s tenor reflects a cautious optimism that victory in the decade-long fight against al-Qaida could be at hand.

al-Qaida is just the latest flavor to pop-up to the top of the terrorist Pez dispenser.

Dispose of one, another is first in line.

As long as someones is religiously poutraged — whether it is Allah directing someone to kill the infidels, or christians believing that the father/son/holy ghost is impelling them to kill abortion doctors — we will have terrorists.

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
6:49 pm

Has your Obama-phobia grown so perverted that you cannot celebrate your own country’s success against its enemies? Has it come to that?

Jay–Funny stuff, Jay. By the one year anniversary of 9/11, the AJC was running editorial pieces which claimed that America deserved to be attacked due to our over-aggressive foreign policy. Hard to demand a standard of behavior from your bloggers that you never followed yourself.

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
6:50 pm

Quick point on Jay’s topic though…

The physical AQ could have been summarily whipped 10 years ago with sustained, strategic munitions placement within their training camps. When you can cause fear, terror, and death to rain down from the sky with little to no advance warning, that goes a long way towards defeating the mental psyche of your adversary.

The Idea that AQ has morphed into, however, will be around for decades and might not ever be eradicated. Ideals can’t be defeated by munitions and brute physical force.

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
6:51 pm

I’ll say one thing for Obama. He sure is backing up that talk about us not needing any place to keep captured suspects.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I thought I was the only one that noticed there was a declining need in using Gitmo and other black sites to detain combatants.

jconservative

August 27th, 2011
6:52 pm

I can understand the dislike for the Obama administration. What I do not understand is the
apparent admiration by “so-called” conservatives for George W. George W. was the most liberal president this country has had since Lyndon Johnson.

George W signed more liberal legislation than any president since Johnson. The first new entitlement in 38 years was the brain child of George W and bears his signature.

Never mind, you are probably happy in your ignorance. My apologies.
Have a nice night.

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:53 pm

“Can you not read? I answered your question already… Begging for attention doesn’t become you”

I went back through your rants about how evil conservatives are and didn’t see that answer you said you wrote. Beggin? Hardly, cupcake.

josef

August 27th, 2011
6:54 pm

BRUNO

The AJC ran editorials saying what? Cite, please…I missed that…it’s the word “deserved” that’s bothering me…

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:54 pm

“You’re right on that. They posted the same threads (and on the same day) constantly.”

Well yeah, they both take their marching orders and go forth like good little followers. Can’t wait to see how Cynthia turns out at UGA.

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:55 pm

Alright rats, I’m out. Have fun name calling etc for the rest of the evening.

getalife

August 27th, 2011
6:56 pm

He got obl, won Libya, defeated aq and saved the w collapse.

Four more years.

josef

August 27th, 2011
6:57 pm

ZAP

You MUST be new around these parts! Brosephus, who I’ll call a buddy, and I tangle from time to time over what I consider his “conservative” stances on certain topics…Brosephus is about one of the most unaligned posters here…

josef

August 27th, 2011
6:59 pm

Well, don’t know who Zap is, but he’s a turn-tail chicken sh*t, just my opinion! :-)

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
6:59 pm

josef

Most of the people on these blogs are either lonely, jobless, retired or bored. Me, I’m just bored right now waiting for friends to show up so we can all go out. You have a nice night.

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
7:00 pm

“but he’s a turn-tail chicken sh*t”

Like I said, have fun with the insults. I’ll join the real grown-ups out in the real world.

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
7:00 pm

The AJC ran editorials saying what? Cite, please…I missed that…it’s the word “deserved” that’s bothering me…

The editorial page spots that I’m referring to were written by guest columnists, typically liberal college professors. The word “deserve” may not have been used explicitly, but that was the reasoning contained within the article: we brought it on ourselves. The anniversary issue sticks out in my mind because it led to one of my (published) letters to the editor. Anyway to check the editorial page on 9/11/02??

Zap Rowsdower

August 27th, 2011
7:01 pm

“He got obl, won Libya, defeated aq and saved the w collapse.”

Kool aid must be spiked with Spike80D tonight.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
7:01 pm

Tick…tick…tick….

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:03 pm

ZAP

Don’t know me very well either do you? I’m not given to insults, unless (usually) in jest…I love everybody exccept Helen Thomas and Duk-sha-nee! :-)

AmVet

August 27th, 2011
7:05 pm

“Alright rats, I’m out. Have fun name calling..”

There must a be an unholy factory somewhere, that cranks out these juvenile cons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D2jRl4oVE8&feature=related

out of the blue

August 27th, 2011
7:05 pm

“Can’t wait to see how Cynthia turns out at UGA.”

Zap….By even bringing up Ms Tuckers name in your squabble here tonight shows how shallow your mind is!

It seems that you have a resentment (and deeply seeded) for anything…Good or bad!

I think Cynthia will do quite well at UGA, After all, unlike you she has appeared on most of the major new channels as a voice, and believe me she comes across as very intelligent! Again, unlike you.

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:06 pm

BRUNO

Like I said, it was that word “deserved” that sent up the antennae…there is a legitimate argument that can be made that the errors of our foreign policy contributed to “bringing it on ourselves.” It’s dicey territory and not one I am anxious to go into, myself.

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:10 pm

Whether or not you like Cynthia and/or agree with her socio-political perspectives, the fact of the matter is she is highly qualified to teach at UGA. She’s no ivory tower academic, but somebody with experience in the real world of journalism…

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
7:11 pm

It seems that you have a resentment (and deeply seeded) for anything…Good or bad!

Nope.

An eerily familiar deep seeded need to respond to everything.

AmVet

August 27th, 2011
7:13 pm

B and jonix, that ” we deserved it” argument – which I have seen very, very few times – is as dumb as “they hate us for our freedoms” garbage parroted endlessly by right wing talking heads on Faux News, etc.

Tommy Maddox

August 27th, 2011
7:15 pm

Nuke ‘em till they glow – shoot ‘em in the dark. Start in Qom.

Matti's disaster fatigue

August 27th, 2011
7:15 pm

Thanks, Mr. Bookman for offering up some news that’s not related to destructive natural forces or evacuated coastal towns! Like… did nothing else happen in the world in the past 48 hours that we might want to know about? Not according to the “news” sources in this country!

Just Another Anonymous One

August 27th, 2011
7:19 pm

Given the lame efforts by the GOP sock puppets here, I’d say it really must suck to be a supporter of the Republican party given that all they managed to dredge up with the trillion plus dollars spent over seven years on their brand of a war on terrorism were known stashes of yellow cake in Iraq. :lol:

Tommy Maddox

August 27th, 2011
7:22 pm

Nope- it’s nice seeing bad guys getting zapped. That does not suck.

carlosgvv

August 27th, 2011
7:23 pm

“Senior al-Qaida figures have been killed before, only to be replaced”

Fundamentalist Islamic schools have been taking in small boys and brainwashing them with radical Islam for many years now. One of the results of this is a tremendous depth of terrorist leaders. So, unfortunately, Panetta is whistleing past the graveyard if he thinks “we can cripple al-Qaida as a major threat”.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
7:23 pm

B and jonix, that ” we deserved it” argument – which I have seen very, very few times – is as dumb as “they hate us for our freedoms” garbage parroted endlessly by right wing talking heads on Faux News, etc.

Deserved it?

I dunno.

But when we have an asshat president that stands in front of a microphone and says, “There are some who feel like that, uh, if they attack us, that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don’t understand what they’re talkin’ about if that’s the case. . . Let me finish. Um, there are some who feel like, that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring ‘em on! We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation”, that certainly sounds like someone is asking for it.

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:24 pm

ZamVet

I’m going to have to respectfully (as close as I get with you :-) ) disagree with you…I think both of those are legitimate issues which we have not addressed beyond the “talking points.” We should be asking ourselves “why,” and that involves a great deal of soul searching and mirror gazing…

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
7:26 pm

Alright rats, I’m out. Have fun name calling etc for the rest of the evening.

Is that have fun as in have AS MUCH fun as I am, or is that have fun as in have MORE fun than I am? Sad times we live in when people can’t see the hypocritical stances they take. I guess it’s a by-product of living in an instant gratification, sound bite driven, bumper sticker speaking society.

Oh well….

I went back through your rants about how evil conservatives are and didn’t see that answer you said you wrote. Beggin? Hardly, cupcake.

Just so people can’t accuse me of helping the literary challenged….

From the previous thread:

Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:52 pm

Brosephus

Did Obama pay for your gas money and buy you a house?

Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
5:55 pm

Did Obama pay for your gas money and buy you a house?

Nope, but you did. So keep paying your taxes so that I can pay mine.

You obviously were not looking for an answer for that question. Your answer was posted 3 minutes after you asked. In an attempt to throw juvenile partisaned attacks, you neglected to even read for 3 damn minutes. Enjoy your evening dude….

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:28 pm

I know I’m playing Parse-On here, but there is a big difference between “deserved” and even “asking for it.” That a resentment and anger strong enough to provoke such a reaction from the likes of al Qaida et al, is something we need to look at the origins of if we are to successfully counter it…

Tommy Maddox

August 27th, 2011
7:31 pm

Kamchak: – I think they started their planning as to us before W was announced candidate for the Presidency. Don’t blame him alone.

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
7:32 pm

a legitimate argument can be made that the errors of our foreign policy contributed to “bringing it on ourselves.” It’s dicey territory and not one I am anxious to go into, myself.

What makes that line of reasoning untenable in my mind is simple consideration of the method of attack used by the terrorists. Destroying buildings full of innocent people is not a legitimate protest to anything. They made no demands beforehand that we could have reasonably met to avoid the attack. Their goal was strictly to instill fear. Since the form of retaliation is illegitimate, I can’t get behind the idea that we brought it on ourselves.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 27th, 2011
7:33 pm

I love everybody exccept Helen Thomas and Duk-sha-nee!

Well, I can’t speak for Helen Thomas, but as for me, why don’t you set back and drink a couple gallons of piss.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
7:34 pm

I know I’m playing Parse-On here, but there is a big difference between “deserved” and even “asking for it.”

I agree there is a difference between deserve it and ask for it.

“Bring ‘em on!” is clearly a taunt and not asking but a declaration.

getalife

August 27th, 2011
7:37 pm

zap,

Our President earned reelection.

Deal with it.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
7:37 pm

I think they started their planning as to us before W was announced candidate for the Presidency.

No doubt.

Lots of people make plans and don’t follow through though, for what ever reason.

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:38 pm

Duk-sha-nee

Well, you’ve certainly got gallons of piss and vinagre to spare… :-)

getalife

August 27th, 2011
7:44 pm

Government does work with competent leadership.

Lets not go back to the incompetent gop.

They are scared of a radio loud mouth and weak on national security.

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:45 pm

BRUNO

You’re missing the point. It is not arguing that we “deserved it” or that terrorist attacks are “legitimate.” It is pointing out that these actions didn’t just spring from thin air. We can say of the West that we are “self assured.” Someone else may be reading that as “arrogant.” Why would “they” see it that way? While I might cheer and applaud “bring it on,” should I be surprised when “they” do it?

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
7:48 pm

We should be asking ourselves “why,” and that involves a great deal of soul searching and mirror gazing…That a resentment and anger strong enough to provoke such a reaction from the likes of al Qaida et al, is something we need to look at the origins of if we are to successfully counter it…

josef–If any of these terrorists would direct their efforts to doing what would be most effective, i.e. cleaning up their own corners of the world, then I would have more respect for their grievances. I think most analysts would agree that the roots of terrorism, endemic poverty and no opportunity, have little to do with US foreign policy directly. I know our own hands aren’t clean, but I have no respect for the efforts of the terrorists.

Mary Elizabeth

August 27th, 2011
7:49 pm

What I am struck by is the finesse in which the Obama administration has handled U.S. goals within a very difficult Middle Eastern context.

First, Osama bin Laden, and now al-Rahman, have been killed in Pakistan. President Obama had said he would enter Pakistan, if necessary, to get Osama bin Laden, and he did. Now, a Libyan national, al-Rahmen, second in command in al-Qaida, has also been killed in Pakistan. Although I do not support killing in war to resolve world conflicts, I have had faith – because of President Obama’s world vision – that the U.S. has been staying in Afghanistan (which borders Pakistan) for good reason. I have had confidence that once al-Qaida had been taken care of, President Obama would have U.S. forces leave Afghanistan in a prudently timely fashion. I have had faith in his judgment calls because I knew that I could never know all of the details that he would know and I trust his vision and his commitment overall to world peace.

Second, Obama’s “leading from behind” strategy has born fruit in Libya with the undoing of Gadhafi. Had Obama been more assertive unilaterally in Libya, instead of having the U.S. act as a force behind NATO, the U.S. would have been seen as an oppressor, and not as a facilitator to liberation of the people. Had the U.S. been seen as an oppressor, we would have built up more resentment toward America as an “imperialist” instead of diffusing that image of America in that part of the world.

I believe that Barack Obama’s vision for this world is similar to that of Martin Luther King, Jr.
In yesterday’s AJC, Charles Krathammer wrote that on the King memorial, “citations dwell almost exclusively on the universalist element of King’s thought – exhortations, for example, that ‘our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective,’ and ‘every nation must now develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole.’ ”

Krauthammer considers that emphasis on King’s words “philosophical narrowness.” Says Krauthammer: “Missing is any sense of King’s Americanness. . .Yet as King himself insisted, his dream was ‘deeply rooted in the American dream.’ ” (I disagree with Krauthammer that that choice is philosophical narrowness, but I am proud of America’s founders’ values.)

We have pondered on this blog, within the last few days, the intent of the founders of this nation. We must simply take our founders at their words of what they deeply believed: “All men are created equal.” If America believes this, still, we will lead other nations of the world in fostering egalitarianism, instead of domination and subjugation among nations. President Obama sees that vision. I hope that the American people will place their biases toward him aside, and let their imaginations embrace his vision, and Dr. King’s vision, for our world.

But whether Americans do or not, the world is going to move in an egalitarian direction. We can either lead in that direction, or fall behind this “rising wind” of change in world consciousness, as seen already in the worldwide civil rights movement and the New Arabian Spring for democracy.
————————————————————————————————————
President Barack Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009:

“I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn’t steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.”

JohnnyReb

August 27th, 2011
7:53 pm

Jay won’t appreciate insinuations that Tucker influenced his writing. Back when there was email but no blogs, I sent him a message suggesting he spend more time with Wooten and less with Tucker. His reply was short – his thoughts are his own.

josef

August 27th, 2011
7:54 pm

BRUNO

Again, you’re missing the point, my friend…it’s not what we think of them, but what they think of us. No one is saying that the terrorists are “deserving” of “respect.” Understanding does not automatically equate with respect or even tolerance. “Know thine enemies” is sage advice, not a meaningless catch phrase for pointing out their negative expressions directed toward us. Again, your approach does not address the germane and fundamental question of “why?”

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
7:56 pm

While I might cheer and applaud “bring it on,” should I be surprised when “they” do it?

From my limited understanding of Middle Eastern culture, I think that direct, confident talk is more respected than bon mots. In case you forgot, one of the unstated goals of starting a war in the Middle East was to create a staging ground to attract the terrorists there, thus shifting their focus to a closer target and away from mainland USA. A second unstated goal of the Iraq War was to get the word out to the other dictators in the area that change was coming. If we had to do it all again, the path we took would still be considered a reasonable choice, though maybe handled differently.

JohnnyReb

August 27th, 2011
7:57 pm

The credit for getting OBL and now al-Rahman goes to the military. Obama deserves credit for giving thge military more rope to go after the bad guys. What we don’t know are the restrictions imposed by countries such as Pakistan. For example, has things changed that allows Obama to give them a longer leash or is he taking political chances W did not.

getalife

August 27th, 2011
7:58 pm

When America wins, cons act like they lost.

Sad and unpatriotic.

@@

August 27th, 2011
8:01 pm

al Qaeda Prime was crippled long before Obama was elected. Bin Laden was, in every sense of the word, a has been. Glad he’s dead though.

josef

August 27th, 2011
8:01 pm

Johnny Reb
@ 7:57

And again, you have shown that quality I continue to respect in you…that about sums up a rational approach to this matter with our own particular axes to grind aside…

poison pen

August 27th, 2011
8:03 pm

getalife

” He got obl, won Libya, defeated aq and saved the w collapse.”

Four more years.

Getalife, Was that with or without his cape?

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
8:03 pm

al Qaeda Prime was crippled long before Obama was elected.

Only the physical entity that is AQ. The ideology of AQ will be around for a long, long time. It will also be a very formidable task to defeat that ideology, if it CAN ever be defeated.

josef

August 27th, 2011
8:04 pm

BRUNO

Now you are talking tactics. Still not approaching the fundamental questions of what brought it on to begin with…why would elements of a population feel that strongly about matters?

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
8:05 pm

Again, your approach does not address the germane and fundamental question of “why?”

More explicitly then, josef, I understand why many people in the Middle East are extremely unhappy, unhappy to the point where they would risk a lot to possibly change things. Most of their unhappiness is directly caused by their own governments, and by the lack of economic opportunity that they have. Our only role in this scenario as Americans is the financial/military support our government provides to their hated governments. As such, I think the hate the terrorists have for us is a bit misplaced. And in terms of effective use of resources, attacking the US should be waaay down the list of priorities for any Middle Easterners.

In answer to the bigger question as to our proper place in the world, I support the idea of us being the world’s policeman, simply because if it wasn’t us, it would be someone else. I don’t trust anyone else. And if this self-appointed role creates some friction world-wide, then there’s little we can do to counter it other than giving up our role, which I am against doing.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
8:05 pm

When America wins, cons act like they lost.

Sad and unpatriotic.

Werd!

getalife

August 27th, 2011
8:06 pm

pp,

He is not super man just a smart, competent leader.

Kamchak

August 27th, 2011
8:09 pm

And if this self-appointed role creates some friction world-wide, then there’s little we can do to counter it other than giving up our role, which I am against doing.

Gonna take U.S. taxpayer dollars to maintain that role.

josef

August 27th, 2011
8:10 pm

getalife

I’m not sure just how smart and competent HE is, but since he started listening more to Susan and Hillary, he’s gotten better…amazing what a twist on the cajones will do, eh? :-)

@@

August 27th, 2011
8:11 pm

Under Bush?

Within weeks after the 9/11 attacks, U.S. special operations forces were on the ground in Afghanistan; and in less than a month they had destroyed the Taliban regime, and driven al-Qaeda from its sanctuary there. Following Afghanistan’s liberation, America and its coalition partners captured or killed hundreds of al-Qaeda leaders, managers, and operatives in more than two dozen countries. Among them were most of al-Qaeda’s top operational commanders—the senior leaders responsible for day-to-day planning of the terror group’s activities across the globe:

• In November 2001, coalition forces killed al-Qaeda’s number three leader, Muhammad Atif, with an air strike in Afghanistan;
• In March 2003, his replacement, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed(KSM)—the mastermind of 9/11—was captured in Pakistan;
• In May 2005, the man who took over for KSM as external operations chief, Abu Faraj al-Libbi, was captured in South Asia;
• In December 2005, al-Qaeda’s next external operations chief, Hamza Rabia, was killed;
• In April 2006, another top external operations leader, Abd al-Rahman al-Muhajir, was killed;
• In June 2006, al-Qaeda’s leader in Iraq, Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi was killed;
• In October 2006, another senior operational leader, Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, was captured;
• And in Bush’s final year in office, a string of at least six top al-Qaeda operational leaders reportedly met their end: Abu Layth al-Libi, killed in January 2008; Abu Sulayman al-Jaziri, killed in May 2008; Abu Khabab al-Masri, killed in July 2008; Khalid Habib, killed in October 2008; and Usama al-Kini, al-Qaeda’s chief of operations in Pakistan, and his lieutenant, Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan, killed in January 2009.–World Affairs Journal

getalife

August 27th, 2011
8:12 pm

Our economy grew in the second quarter even after the gop tried to derail our recovery.

Here is a thought gop.

Shut up and get out of his way.

Just Another Anonymous One

August 27th, 2011
8:14 pm

I thought the Republicans referred to Obama as “Messiah-Man”. After all, he is able to leap tall skinny Republican House Whips in a single bound.

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
8:19 pm

What I am struck by is the finesse in which the Obama administration has handled U.S. goals within a very difficult Middle Eastern context……Although I do not support killing in war to resolve world conflicts, I have had faith – because of President Obama’s world vision – that the U.S. has been staying in Afghanistan (which borders Pakistan) for good reason.

In case you forgot, Mary Elizabeth, Obama’s vision for the greater Middle East and Southwest Asia is the same vision that Bush set out. @@ was kind enough to provide a chronology of the events in regard to al-Qaeda before Obama took office. I’m sure you were praising Bush’s vision back then as you are for Obama’s today, since they are one and the same vision. Ditto for most of the other previously hated Bush policies such as the Patriot Act, Gitmo, the Bush Tax Cuts, etc.

Jm

August 27th, 2011
8:20 pm

Mid weekend post. Jay just won’t guve us a rest will he?

:)

Normal

August 27th, 2011
8:23 pm

Good Little Liberal

August 27th, 2011
6:09 pm

Good spin GLL, but we both know it was for the “Fall of Bagdad” and nothing else…you’re doing a heck of a job spinning, GLL…

Brosephus

August 27th, 2011
8:27 pm

josef

Hit you at SE…

Mick

August 27th, 2011
8:29 pm

bruno

There is one major difference; Obama said he would focus on finding bin laden, then take his shot. He also has used drones more aggressively in violating pakistans sovereignty. Bush was bogged down in iraq, if he just stayed in afghanistan, maybe he would’ve got bin laden, instead he did a 180 shift of military resources..

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
8:32 pm

President Barack Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009. What was said vs. reality:

I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed;

But that won’t stop us from compiling lists of people who disagree with us and create hotlines to turn your neighbors in for spreading “disinformation” about us.

confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice;

Except when it comes to illegal immigration and any political buddies I may have.

government that is transparent and doesn’t steal from the people;

Ha ha. Fooled you again.

the freedom to live as you choose.

That is unless you don’t buy the health insurance plan that we mandate for you.

Sharelle

August 27th, 2011
8:33 pm

“Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last month that al-Qaida’s defeat was within reach if the U.S. could mount a string of successful attacks.”

That’s a pretty thought, but what else would we expect the Defense Secretary to say, “al-Quida’s kicking our ass”? From all accounts their leadership is distributed around the planet. It’s like trying to kill cockroaches. This notion that you can eliminate them by taking out one or two guys is laughable.

getalife

August 27th, 2011
8:33 pm

w was the “never saw it coming” president that made the huge mistake called Iraq.

Incompetent failure.

Time for you cons to accept this fact and start acting like proud Americans.

Try some patriotism for a change.

Good Little Liberal

August 27th, 2011
8:34 pm

The one thing that Obama has done right is to terrorize the terrorists. But I’m afraid that instead of what Jay is optimistically calling the end of Al Quida, it will mark the beginning of a new kind of hate for the West among the Arabs. It won’t be a small group of radicals, but instead a very large group of Muslims that will not consider it radical to want to kill the infidel.

I think that with the “Arab Spring” and the taking over of over 20 formally stable Arab countries with Islamic Mobs, we will begin to pay the price of what the testosterone infested North African culture see as a cowardly way of fighting. There is a factor of “Moral legitimacy” that we don’t seem to be considering when we launch thermal weapons from the belly of remote piloted drones, many times resulting in collateral damage that takes the lives of women and children.

Recently, I have had a reason to watch quite a bit of al Jazeera and while our pro-Obama media seldom mentions the controversy that surrounds such attacks, the Arab world speaks of it often.

I can’t help but wonder what the media would have thought if GW Bush would have been launching such attacks, considering the hysteria surrounding the act of putting a damp cloth over a terrorist’s face and then pouring water on his face. Perhaps we should have just put him in a cinder block building with his family and just blown all of them to bits.

I’ve often said that I would love to be a fly on the wall during a future history class, studying the logic of the post 9-11 American Liberal.

Bruno

August 27th, 2011
8:35 pm

Bush was bogged down in iraq, if he just stayed in afghanistan, maybe he would’ve got bin laden, instead he did a 180 shift of military resources..

As stated above, I think that there were several “unstated” objectives regarding the invasion of Iraq, one of which being a warning to the other dictators in the area. One day we won’t need their oil and they can go back to being bedouins.

Mary Elizabeth

August 27th, 2011
8:35 pm

Bruno, I do not believe that President Obama and President Bush have the same philosophical view of power – and use of it – in our world.

My post was not about Bush nor about a comparison between the two presidents. It was about Obama and his “keeping his eye on the ball regarding al Qaida,” his finesse in the handling of Libya which has been consistent with his egalitarian vision (as he had laid out in Cairo and Olso), and about how Obama’s ideas are consistent with the ideas of King.