Perry’s scorn for Social Security won’t be issue in GOP primary

In his 2010 book “Fed Up,”, Texas Gov. Rick Perry didn’t hold back in expressing his scorn for Social Security and Medicare.

Social Security, he wrote, is a “Ponzi scheme,” “a crumbling monument to the failure of the New Deal” created “at the expense of respect for the Constitution and limited government.”

It’s going to be fascinating to see how that language plays out politically. In a recent CNN poll, 64 percent of Americans said they oppose making “major changes in Social Security and Medicare” as a means of addressing the debt problem, while only 35 percent supported the idea. Those numbers suggest that Perry’s statements could become a serious problem in a general election.

(A Wall Street Journal/NBC poll released in March produced similar numbers. Only 18 percent said Medicare cuts were necessary to “significantly reduce” the deficit, while 54 percent said they were not. Just 22 percent said cuts to Social Security were needed, while 49 percent said they weren’t.)

At first glance, you might think that Perry’s position would be a liability in the GOP primary as well. According to the CNN poll, only 42 percent of GOP voters say they would support major changes in Social Security and Medicare, while a large majority of 57 percent reject the idea.

Theoretically, that should open up a two-pronged attack against Perry for somebody like Mitt Romney. By defending Medicare and Social Security against major cuts, Romney could align with a majority within his own party. It would also allow him to make the case that Perry’s extreme position might cost him the general election against Barack Obama.

But Romney hasn’t taken that course, and I don’t think he ever will. Here’s why.

It gets down to the difference between music and lyrics. Lyrics provide the words, but the music is what makes people get up and dance. It’s true in entertainment, and it’s true in politics as well.

If Romney criticizes Perry for taking an extreme view on Social Security and Medicare, he’d be getting the lyrics politically right. However, the music that GOP primary voters would hear is there goes RINO Romney, defending government entitlement programs. It is not a tenable position. It would be like standing in front of the GOP convention and singing “My Country T’is of Thee” to a hiphop beat.

It’s the music that matters.

– Jay Bookman

UPDATE: I should also point out that in the CNN poll, 80 percent of those identifying themselves as tea-party supporters say they support major cuts in domestic programs as a way to cut the deficit.

However, only 47 percent of tea-party supporters back major cuts in Social Security and Medicare; 52 percent oppose it.

426 comments Add your comment

Normal

August 26th, 2011
9:29 am

It doesn’t matter. The GOP have nothing to put up. Obama will win by default because the GOP won’t be able to sway the progressive and independent votes…

Fred

August 26th, 2011
9:30 am

Is it too early for the Drive home thread?

Zedd

August 26th, 2011
9:31 am

Say it ain’t so Libs: Carney claims that Perry called for secession rated False by PolitiFact. I seem to recall several here beating that drum themselves. Don’t let your vitriol get in the way of the facts as you so often say to the Conservatives here.

“Our conclusion was that in a politically theatrical moment, Perry stated an old (and factually incorrect) claim that Texas retains the right to leave the union. That is not the same as his saying giddyap, I want to leave. Perry didn’t call for secession then and hasn’t since.”
“We rate Carney’s statement False.”

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/aug/17/jay-carney/white-house-press-secretary-says-perry-wanted-sece/

Spin it anyway you want. Facts are facts and those whose said Perry wanted to secession were wrong. A spade is still a spade.

retired early

August 26th, 2011
9:32 am

It’s like singing “My country tis of thee to a hip hop beat.

Jay, a perfect example.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:34 am

Jay, I think your bit of digging into the weeds (and “music and lyrics”) of Romney’s likely approach is spot on.

However, the shorter answer as to why “Perry’s scorn for Social Security won’t be issue in GOP primary” is quite simple:

the GOP is FUBAR.

Zedd

August 26th, 2011
9:34 am

Dang stubby fingers! *”Wanted to succeed”

George P. Burdell

August 26th, 2011
9:35 am

This perfectly illustrates the point of why politics becomes so infuriating. While one can argue that only minor changes need to be made to Social Security to keep it viable, Medicare is a complete fiscal disaster that is looming over this country. But to try and address the problem is political suicide even for most proclaimed conservatives. When only 18% of people think cuts need to be made to Medicare, we have a real problem. Even if we were to contain medical costs at current levels, which is a dream in itself, we are quickly heading towards big trouble because of the overall aging of the country. What is most likely to happen is people under 50 will continue to pay over 15% over their salary annually, the debt will continue to rise each year, and at some point it will all collapse on itself and we will be the ones left dealing with a bankrupt country and no, or very reduced, retirement benefits. It will also be pretty difficult to save on your own because you are already giving up 15% before you even get started. Jay, I agree with your analysis of how it is likely to play out in the primaries, but you are also illustrating why it is such an untouchable issue and you are in your own way doing nothing but contributing to pushing this problem down the road. This country needs to have some serious discussions about our future and when you pull this nonsense you are no better than the people you criticize about playing politics.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:36 am

Carney claims that Perry called for secession rated False by PolitiFact.

BFD. Perry’s secessionist dalliances are fair game, and we’ll be beating him like a yard dog with them (and many other fatal character errors) if the GOP is stupid enough to trot this guy out in the general election against Obama.

md

August 26th, 2011
9:36 am

You’re right, it really doesn’t matter………for those in the gop base will vote the r regardless of who the r is……..same with the d………….

It will depend on what the i’s think about the 2 choices………..they already know what they get with one of them………they just have to figure out if they want to change it for the unknown………….

Brosephus

August 26th, 2011
9:37 am

It would be like standing in front of the GOP convention and singing “My Country T’is of Thee” to a hiphop beat.

If Karl Rove can rap and dance, Romney should be able to at least pull off the “My Country” to a hiphop beat. :)

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:40 am

“64 percent of Americans said they oppose making “major changes in Social Security and Medicare” as a means of addressing the debt problem”

Indicating that 64 percent of Americans don’t understand the nature of the problem.

carlosgvv

August 26th, 2011
9:40 am

It’s likely that Perry will try as much as possible to be a George W. Bush clone. Like Bush, he will come up with some ill thought out scheme to “reform” Social Security and the GOP faithful will sing his prases as the next political Messiah. Since the American political system is built on a platform of deception and lies, the next election will go to whoever is best at putting one over on the American people. If History teaches anything, it is that the people will eventuall wise up and demand and get totally new and different political systems and leadership.

Jay

August 26th, 2011
9:40 am

“If Karl Rove can rap and dance, Romney should be able to at least pull off the “My Country” to a hiphop beat.”

Part of me says I’d pay to see that. Another part says I’d pay NOT to see it.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
9:40 am

Yeap Zedd, I have to agree with stands on that. I know, color you shocked, but Perry has provided so much more fodder than secessionist talk, I mean, “Social Security is a Ponzi scheme” is way better material to call him on.

You don’t mess with old people.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
9:41 am

Then by all means, jm, enlighten us as to “the problem according to YOU.”

Brosephus

August 26th, 2011
9:42 am

Jay

I used to do a few things in the studio. I could probably work up a great track for Romney if he’s ever game. I wouldn’t even charge to do it. I’d gladly donate my time and effort for free just to see it. :)

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:42 am

Um, Jay, no one is going to be running saying that no changes need to made to Medicare and SS. And that includes Obama.

I guess I am leaving Dennis Kucinich out of course….

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
9:44 am

“Social Security, he wrote, is a “Ponzi scheme,” “a crumbling monument to the failure of the New Deal” created “at the expense of respect for the Constitution and limited government.”

Preach On!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zedd

August 26th, 2011
9:44 am

Stands, go for it. It ain’t like Obama’s going to be able to run on his spectacular record or anything. The Republican nominee won’t be Romney, who sits back and refuses to engage or throw a punch. Perry’s rhetoric will certainly be able to go toe to toe with Obama’s anybody else’s fault but mine defense. The election will simply come down to a vote for more of the same failed policies or time to give someone else a turn.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
9:44 am

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:45 am

Anyone who refers to SS as a “Ponzi Scheme” with a straight face is automatically disqualified from holding national office.

Sorry, but them’s the rules.

jconservative

August 26th, 2011
9:45 am

“Our conclusion was that in a politically theatrical moment, Perry stated an old (and factually incorrect) claim that Texas retains the right to leave the union.”

That is what most people are calling out Perry on, the belief that Texas retains the legal right to secede based on the 1845 Congressional Joint Resolution and the Texas legislature resolution.

But Texas spent that opportunity when they joined the Confederate States of America. They are no longer subject to either 1845 resolution. They re-joined the Union under different circumstances.

Brosephus

August 26th, 2011
9:47 am

But Texas spent that opportunity when they joined the Confederate States of America. They are no longer subject to either 1845 resolution. They re-joined the Union under different circumstances.

I hereby nominate jcon as the new voice of reason at JB’s House of Unreasoned!!!!

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:47 am

That is what most people are calling out Perry on

exactly. That a man could ascend to an office like Governor and cling to an imbecilic belief like that defies imagination.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
9:47 am

jm,

Well since Obama has said there needs to be changes to SS and Medicare, I’d say you were correct, but don’t look for him to be calling them a Ponzi Scheme.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
9:49 am

“The Republican nominee won’t be Romney, who sits back and refuses to engage or throw a punch.”

Then Zedd, I’d suggest you start practicing saying “President Obama” for four more years.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
9:49 am

“Perry’s scorn for Social Security won’t be issue in GOP primary”

but boy, oh boy, wait ’till the general election –

Then maybe should open up an attack on Perry’ “I balanced the budget” claim which a week after the election turn into “A 21 billion dollar deficit? How’d that happen?”

Because you used Obama stimulus dollars, you hypocrite.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2011/apr/24/barack-obama/president-obama-says-gov-perry-used-stimulus-fund-/

Off to the gym -

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:50 am

Perry’s rhetoric will certainly be able to go toe to toe with Obama’s anybody else’s fault but mine defense.

Obama barely had to breathe hard in the 2008 general election, particularly in those sad debates with Gramps.

His knife work was done during the primaries, which you probably missed.

“you’re loveable enough, Rick.”

Paul

August 26th, 2011
9:50 am

“Then maybe ROMNEY should ”

I gotta get more sleep…

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:50 am

“but don’t look for him to be calling them a Ponzi Scheme.”

agreed

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
9:51 am

Oh, and this is a bit more gentle for this weekend’s Eastern Seaboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9TS4O5Ww4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

real john

August 26th, 2011
9:51 am

Good article Jay. I can’t say I really disagree with you on this topic.

However, I do think it will be interesting how this entitlement thing plays out. Changes are going to have to be made. The math just doesn’t work for any of these entitlements plans long term. I’m looking for someone to lead on this issue. It doesn’t matter to me what the polls say, its what is best for the U.S. long term. Of course, most people aren’t willingly say “Yes, cut my benefits.” However, its up to the President and the leaders to lead on this issue. I would ask, would you rather have a 5% reduction now; or maybe a 30-35% reduction in four years? These are just hypothetical numbers, but it illustrates the point we will face as a nation if we don’t start making changes now.

Jay

August 26th, 2011
9:51 am

As I’ve now noted above in an update, 80 percent of those identifying themselves as tea-party supporters in the CNN poll say they support major cuts in domestic programs as a way to cut the deficit.

However, only 47 percent of tea-party supporters back major cuts in Social Security and Medicare; 52 percent oppose it.

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
9:52 am

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:45 am
Anyone who refers to SS as a “Ponzi Scheme” with a straight face is automatically disqualified from holding national office.

If it walks like a duck……………

Talking Head

August 26th, 2011
9:52 am

We def need entitlement reform, but more importantly we need to cut spending…1.3 trillion deficits aren’t going to be sustainable much longer.

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:53 am

@@

August 26th, 2011
9:53 am

Social Security, he wrote, is a “Ponzi scheme,” “a crumbling monument to the failure of the New Deal” created “at the expense of respect for the Constitution and limited government.”

Oh so true!

In a recent CNN poll, 64 percent of Americans said they oppose making “major changes in Social Security and Medicare”

How many times have I read “the electorate is too dumb to vote”?

It’s been 70 years since SS was implemented. Not only are they dumb, they’re slow to realize just how dumb they’ve been.

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
9:53 am

“………..47 percent of tea-party supporters back major cuts in Social Security and Medicare”

Count me among them. And I have a mother in an ALF, so it will impact me.

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:53 am

More “nature of the problem”

http://www.pgpf.org/~/media/PGPF/Media/PDF/2011/07/DebtChart-2011_07_13.ashx?pid={D7D61FFC-532F-4A57-93DA-23955573E162}

my game.

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
9:53 am

let’s accentuate the positive before we eliminate the neagtive. at least Perry(’s ghost writer, copy editor) spelled Ponzi correctly (and correctly used an upper case P. did he put “Ponzi scheme” in quotation marks? I don’t think this is necessary, as many different investment scams could be called Ponzi schemes. Run Rocky, run!

Zedd

August 26th, 2011
9:55 am

Nope, if the Barackalypse is elected to another four years, I’m going rouge, destined to appear on the six o’clock news.

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:56 am

“they support major cuts in domestic programs as a way to cut the deficit”

What do they think Social Security and Medicare are? Foreign programs? SS and Medicare are the biggest domestic programs we have…… oy

But at least their nose is pointed in the right direction….

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
9:56 am

Perry 2012

oh please oh please oh please

USinUK

August 26th, 2011
9:56 am

“Part of me says I’d pay to see that. Another part says I’d pay NOT to see it.”

that which has been seen cannot be unseen!

Jay

August 26th, 2011
9:57 am

jm, the answer to your query is obvious.

Many tea-party supporters benefit from SS and Medicare, and thus don’t want them cut. They want to cut programs for those OTHER people.

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:57 am

the nature of the problem….

http://www.pgpf.org/~/media/PGPF/Media/PDF/2011/07/20/FO-Haircut%20chart_2011_07_13.ashx?pid={E2EC3AD1-5929-4CC8-832E-5068FE7B9C68}

This is the big kahuna….

USinUK

August 26th, 2011
9:57 am

GG – Perry/Bachman 2012

big-time ohpleez-ohpleez-ohpleez

getalife

August 26th, 2011
9:57 am

We know the gop agenda is to default to end SS and Medicare and it is not a secret.

This election is to save SS and Medicare and a total collapse of our country.

It should be the main focus of this election.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
9:58 am

“Nope, if the Barackalypse is elected to another four years, I’m going rouge, destined to appear on the six o’clock news.”

What Zedd, are you gonna try and shoot him?

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
9:58 am

If it walks like a duck……………

I’ve yet to see a Ponzi scheme that was plotted to somehow fall apart over a century later.

Even if SS did blow up because we were unwilling/unable to fully fund it decades from now, it would have successfully self-funded a half-dozen generations of retirees. It would be viewed by future historians as having been a stunning success in a Republic that had otherwise, disgracefully, been slow to provide for its own general welfare.

The “Ponzi Scheme” meme is ripe for being shat upon and buried, and I welcome the opportunity to do so if the GOP are stupid enough to nominate this buffoon. However, they won’t—primary voters will back a winner, and Romney (contrary to what has been asserted here) is fully capable of punching back, fighting dirty, etc. – he won’t let Perry beat him.

FrankLeeDarling

August 26th, 2011
9:59 am

ok with all the talk of strange musical mashups i just HAVE to put this one out there.
I cant think of anything that sums the present situation better than this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U13xOvDa19U

jm

August 26th, 2011
9:59 am

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
9:59 am

For 2011 the employee tax rate for social security is 4.2% (down from 6.2% for 2010). The employer tax rate for social security remains unchanged at 6.2%. The 2011 social security wage base limit is $106,800. In 2011, the Medicare tax rate is 1.45% each for employers and employees, unchanged from 2010. There is no wage base limit for Medicare tax.

Just to add some facts to the argument.

Remove the wage base limit for Social Security and the problem disappears.

Increase Medicare tax to 2% and that problem goes away for quite a while as well.

Buying time can be cheaper than solving the problem, given what’s coming in the healthcare field over the next 10-20 years that will dramatically lower our end-of-life costs.

Common Sense

August 26th, 2011
9:59 am

“A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors, not from any actual profit earned by the organization, but from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors.”

So why doesn’t SS fit this description other than you do not like the term?

Brosephus

August 26th, 2011
9:59 am

We def need entitlement reform, but more importantly we need to cut spending…1.3 trillion deficits aren’t going to be sustainable much longer.

There’s a much simpler way to alleviate most of the financial problems that the US faces. The Democratic Party ran on that platform in 2008, the GOP ran on it in 2010, and both parties have completely dropped the ball. JOBS!!! More people working means more SS, Medicaid, and other “entitlement” funding. More people working means more revenue coming to the government.

We don’t need this drastic reform that conservatives want. We need jobs!!! Damn, does anybody even think anymore?

md

August 26th, 2011
10:00 am

“64 percent of Americans said they oppose making “major changes in Social Security and Medicare” as a means of addressing the debt problem”

Meaning that 64% thinks the other 46% should have to sacrifice vs they raising their hand………….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
10:00 am

if the Barackalypse is elected to another four years, I’m going rouge, destined to appear on the six o’clock news

Comments like that are always a cause for concern and are really unacceptable. Hopefully it means nothing but we live in a world were people escalate to extremes.

Jay

August 26th, 2011
10:00 am

You misread Zedd, Bosch.

He’s going rouge. To highlight those marvelous cheekbones of his.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:01 am

Common Sense,

SS isn’t based on fraud, I mean for one thing.

Real Athens

August 26th, 2011
10:01 am

Perry scorns intellect.

What Did You Learn in School Today? (The Texas Version)
by Craig Studer
Millions of Texas students head back to school this week confronted by a dramatically altered, state-mandated social studies curriculum.

The contentious hearings of the Texas State Board of Education received considerable attention in the spring of 2010, but seem to have fallen out of the public consciousness as the new school year begins. The new curriculum, officially called the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, deserves renewed attention, as it will undoubtedly surprise most Texans.

The fiercest battle during the board’s hearings was fought over the 11th-grade history curriculum, which in Texas is “United States History since 1877.” The exception to that timeline is the new state-mandated “Celebrate Freedom Week,” during which students will learn about our founding fathers. That sounds simple enough, except that the only founding fathers included in the curriculum are Benjamin Rush, John Hancock, John Jay, John Witherspoon, John Peter Muhlenberg, Charles Carroll and Jonathan Trumbull Sr. What about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or John Adams? They are nowhere to be found in the new high school TEKS. Students apparently learned everything they need to know about them in eighth grade.

As part of the board’s effort to emphasize the positives in American history, students will no longer learn about “American imperialism.” Instead students will discuss “American expansionism” and come to understand how “missionaries moved the United States into the position of a world power.” The board eliminated mention of our government’s use of propaganda during World War I, and instead of analyzing Truman’s decision to use the atomic bomb at the end of World War II, students will now analyze the development of the bomb. Additionally, students will now “evaluate efforts by international organizations to undermine U.S. sovereignty.”
The board included Estee Lauder in the state curriculum, but not George Washington.

Perhaps you have heard something about a labor movement in the 20th century? No longer will your children. The only reference to a 20th-century labor movement will come when learning about Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta. No mention of the Fair Labor Standards Act or the National Labor Relations Act. No mention of strikes or any labor dispute. The words “labor movement” were taken out of the TEKS. Perhaps there is not enough time because students must now “understand how the free enterprise system drives technological innovation … such as cell phones, inexpensive personal computers and global positioning products.”

Students will learn about the contributions of Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. Maybe the students will read Falwell’s claim that feminists and homosexuals were partially responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Phyllis Schlafly, the Heritage Foundation and the NRA are all included. Students will also be required to “discuss the meaning of ‘In God We Trust.’ ”

History in Texas classrooms will be decidedly different from when we were students. I never learned “both the positive and negative impacts of … country and western music” in my high school history class. Where would you rate Estée Lauder in terms of historical importance to our country? If you think she is one of the 68 most important historical figures, you agree with the board. Yes, the board included her in the state curriculum, but not George Washington.

I also never learned that the findings of the House Committee on Un-American Activities were confirmed, perhaps because it is not true. It puts teachers in an awkward position by asking them to teach something that is historically inaccurate. I will not have to deal with that issue in some of my classes because my Advanced Placement U.S. History classes are not required to follow the state curriculum. I am guessing that the Texas Education Agency realizes that students could never pass national exams while learning the state-mandated curriculum.

During the next decade, we should not be surprised when university professors lament that Texas students are not prepared for college. Malcolm X once said, “Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today.” You might remember a historical figure named Malcolm X, but your children won’t. Malcolm X is not in the social studies curriculum in Texas. Now if you will excuse me, I have to do some research on Estée Lauder. She was not mentioned in any of my graduate history courses, either.

Craig Studer is a public school teacher in Austin, TX. He has a master’s degree in curriculum and instruction and a master’s degree in U.S. history.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
10:01 am

I’m going rouge

hee hee. Merkin Patriot, is that you?

jm

August 26th, 2011
10:02 am

Jay

“They want to cut programs for those OTHER people.”

Obviously, WE are the OTHER people. Unless we’re willing to cut our own benefits and raise our own taxes, this can’t be solved. I’m willing to sign up. Who else is?

(Liberals who just want to just raise taxes on rich people don’t count because it doesn’t fix the problem and self sacrifice doesn’t mean sacrificing someone else – which should be obvious but sometimes these things have to be pointed out to liberals) :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
10:03 am

Preach it, Brosephus… but I am afraid that the farther they go to the right, the greater the adverse impact on the ability to hear the truth. Perhaps that is why they seem to hear completely different music from the rest of the country.

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
10:03 am

whiskey, tango foxtrot does “Americans who identify themselves as tea party supporters” mean? like, they’re not “card carrying members”, they merely “support” the tea party (presumably financially, and I suppose emotionally). but I guess this would explain how neo-con/GOP types like the Koch brothers factor into to this. they see the “tea party movement” in terms of its value to the neo-con/GOP agenda and as such the “support it”. kinda like what Mark Twain said about “supporting” a prostitute, right? you don’t pay her for the sex, you pay her to leave when you’re done. there is no “tea party” at the national level and I hope these “tea party supporters” are practicing safe sex when the hop into bed with the neocon GOP.

md

August 26th, 2011
10:03 am

“We don’t need this drastic reform that conservatives want. We need jobs!!! Damn, does anybody even think anymore?”

Don’t you think if the magic job fairy could wave her magic job wand then we would already have jobs?

Since she didn’t, then the problem as it stands is deficit spending………….

We need to focus on the here and now, not the what ifs…………

ty webb

August 26th, 2011
10:03 am

Jay,
or maybe they want the money, less interest, that has been taken from them for years to be returned to them.

jconservative

August 26th, 2011
10:03 am

Unfunded Liabilities

Social Security……$15.2 trillion…Easily fixed.

Prescription Drug Plan…..$20.1 trillion…And the program is only 6 years old. Cancel it!

Medicare……$80.0 trillion…Ideas anyone? Over 47 million people are on some Medicare program. That is a lot of voters.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:04 am

a”Liberals who just want to just raise taxes on rich people don’t count because it doesn’t fix the problem and self sacrifice doesn’t mean sacrificing someone else – which should be obvious but sometimes these things have to be pointed out to liberal”

Well first jm, you might want to point to anyone who actually has wrote they believe that. Sometimes we have to point out that glaringly obvious character flaw in you.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:04 am

Jay,

As Keep pointed out as well, I truly hope I misread idiot comments like that.

Zedd

August 26th, 2011
10:05 am

No Bosch, I made no threats. I may be on the fringe but I’m not completely insane or stupid. Oh and thanks Jay, damn dyslexia strikes again!

Talking Head

August 26th, 2011
10:05 am

“We don’t need this drastic reform that conservatives want. We need jobs!!! Damn, does anybody even think anymore?”

I agree…but the government won’t be the driver creating jobs. Politicians don’t create jobs.

We will have more revenues with more jobs, but we also need to cut spending back to pre 2008 levels…for the past 3 1/2 years we have taken keynesian spending to a new level and haven’t seen the “results” so many academics have predicted

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
10:05 am

self sacrifice? Not shared sacrifice? Thar’s yur problem.

Brosephus

August 26th, 2011
10:06 am

Midori

August 26th, 2011
10:06 am

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:07 am

jconservative,

And of those 47 million people that are on some kind of Medicare program, there are millions more people who help care for them.

USinUK

August 26th, 2011
10:07 am

Bosch – “For example, for a music-driven ad campaign, Old Navy teamed up with music-identifying service Shazam to connect smartphone users to a virtual store to buy clothes and download music featured in the ads.”

actually, it was just a spelling error.

he’s actually going ROUGE

Common Sense

August 26th, 2011
10:07 am

“SS isn’t based on fraud, I mean for one thing.”

Because the funds collected for payout were never promised to be invested and earn a rate of return?

It requires a continuous stream of new participants to fund the payouts for older participants.

And without that stream, older participants will not be able to receive what they were promised.

Participation is mandatory and forced by the Federal Government. Had it not been, there would have been a lack of funds to pay off older participants years ago.

jm

August 26th, 2011
10:07 am

jconservative – Medicare: means test it like crazy (anyone with savings over $100,000 ineligible). Continue changes to “pay for service” rather that “pay for procedure”. Only stupid obamacare makes it voluntary which raises costs. “Pay for service” should be mandatory. Oh yes, up Medicare premiums.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
10:07 am

“if the Barackalypse is elected to another four years, I’m going rouge, destined to appear on the six o’clock news”

HEADLINE WILL READ:

Nutjob threatens President, butt kicked by Masked Granny with pocketbook
nunjucks

When questioned Granny pointed out it was a formal occasion so he was actually taken out with her more appropriate for the occasion satin clutch purse numchucks…..

USinUK

August 26th, 2011
10:07 am

DAMMIT, JAY!! you beat me to the punch

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 26th, 2011
10:08 am

Well, we got to cut out SS. These geezers need to get off their butts, stop waiting for a guvmint check, and get a job. Work till they drop.

But us Tea Partiers say hands off our Medicare. We don’t want no guvmint interference with that.

Anyhow, Perry would of been better off to keep his mouth shut about SS until after the elections. There’s many a dead body after touching that Third Rail of Politics. Even us TPers can’t get a majority for cutting SS. And he’s paved the way for Mr. Mormon Underpants to beat him out without doing nothing. All those geezers in Florida will be after Perry like a Honeybadge after a cobra. And then we’ll lose the election and the worst thing in the world will happen: No. 1 Foxy Lady will be on here to tell us to suck on it.

Have a good Friday everybody. I’m hauling and lugging to get you ready for swapping weird music tonight. Bookman kind of caught me with my pants down with the music last night, but I won’t be fooled again.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:08 am

Then Zedd, are you going rouge to highlight your cheekbones? How else is one to interpret some remark where you say you will wind up on the six o’clock news?

md

August 26th, 2011
10:08 am

“Well first jm, you might want to point to anyone who actually has wrote they believe that.”

bosch……I can name several here that have stated just that…….they know who they are, and you can too if you pull it up…………

Fred

August 26th, 2011
10:08 am

Just damn dB where do you find stuff like that?

jm

August 26th, 2011
10:09 am

Well Bosch 10:04, Byteme wrote almost exactly that at 9:59

You guys have had the “tax the rich” strategy on repeat for so long you can’t think straight.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:09 am

“(anyone with savings over $100,000 ineligible”

And the first trip to the hospital for a broken hip….person’s savings are wiped out and we have posters like Woodstock Mike howling because their inheritance is gone.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
10:09 am

“Don’t you think if the magic job fairy could wave her magic job wand then we would already have jobs?”

Do you mean the tax cuts magic job fairy?

getalife

August 26th, 2011
10:09 am

Any American voting gop to lose their SS and Medicare are committing economic suicide like the gop want to do.

Almost half of the tea party want this to happen to them.

kayaker 71

August 26th, 2011
10:10 am

Rasmussen today….. only 23% of the electorate strongly approve of Bozo…. 44% strongly disapprove. The most amazing stat…. 53% of black voters and 63% of Democrats feel that the country is headed in the wrong direction, along with 83% of whites and 77% of other ethnicities, totally a whopping 79% of the electorate feeling that the country is on the wrong track. Libs, the denial train is at the station and the tickets are really cheap.

Jay

August 26th, 2011
10:10 am

USinUK,I’m sure it was just the time lapse in those electrons having to flow all the way to the UK and then back that accounts for your slowness.

BTW, when’s your trip home?

jm

August 26th, 2011
10:11 am

Bosch 10:09 – tough patooties. Life is full of difficult choices.

Talking Head

August 26th, 2011
10:11 am

“Any American voting gop to lose their SS and Medicare are committing economic suicide like the gop want to do.”

Well for those of us under, i don’t know let’s say 40..we’ve already lost our SS and Medicare unless we change the way the programs are financed

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:11 am

So jm, please explain ByteMe’s comments some more:

how does

“Remove the wage base limit for Social Security and the problem disappears”

equate to

“Liberals who just want to just raise taxes on rich people don’t count because it doesn’t fix the problem and self sacrifice doesn’t mean sacrificing someone else”

USinUK

August 26th, 2011
10:12 am

Jay – THREE WEEKS!!! (lock up the Crystal hot sauce!)

can’t wait to see the Dadkins and the fam :-)

Brosephus

August 26th, 2011
10:12 am

Don’t you think if the magic job fairy could wave her magic job wand then we would already have jobs?

If there was such a fairy, she would have probably kicked all our CEO’s in the nads by now.

People, especially businessmen, need to wake the f**k up and realize that there’s no such monster as everlasting profits. You WILL have a time where you don’t profit. It’s what you do then that determines whether you’ll end up successful or not. These scary b@stards in control now need to remember that “American Exceptionalism” that conservatives are always talking about.

If our forefathers had been chicken sh*ts like we have now, we wouldn’t even have a country. They would have been content sitting and waiting for the British to leave instead of fighting for what they wanted. When we’ve been faced with adversity before, we’ve pushed right through with determination that can only be found in this country. It’s embarrassing as hell to know how our country and people functioned in much more adverse conditions and came out better than before, but nowadays, we have such pansies and chicken sh*ts in control now.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
10:14 am

“Well for those of us under, i don’t know let’s say 40..we’ve already lost our SS and Medicare unless we change the way the programs are financed”

Yeah and you support your parents or throw them out on the streets to eat catfood.

What kind of man are you?

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
10:15 am

“tough patooties. Life is full of difficult choices”

Oh, that’s nice jm. And life is also full of naive people who think that would just fly with most.

jm

August 26th, 2011
10:15 am

Bosch

“Remove the wage base limit for Social Security” = tax the rich and moderately rich (those making over $100k/person)

And since most medicare taxes are paid by upper income earners, raising the rate (as he mentioned) does the same thing, only slightly more fairly

Really, its amazing these things have to be pointed out to people who can read and write.

Just Another Anonymous One

August 26th, 2011
10:15 am

Twelve percent approve of Congress’s “work” to date. I was wrong. They actually can drop below a thirteen percent approval rating.

jm

August 26th, 2011
10:16 am

Bosch – go back to those charts and tell me how you’re going to fix the problem caused 85% by ballooning Medicare and Social Security costs. And tell me how you’re going to do it on the backs of someone other than the rich.

I accept the rich will have to pay more, but that will only solve 10-20% of the problem. You get to go figure out how to solve the other 80%. I look forward to your answers.