Look out Bruce, trouble with a big ‘T’ travelin’ north
With Irene barreling north, taking apparent direct aim at New Jersey and its environs this weekend, I thought it would be appropriate to feature the Bard of the Jersey Shore, Bruce Springsteen, to take us into weekend.
I know it’s not the merriest of introductions, but I have eerie flashbacks to six years ago to the date, looking at satellite photos of big ugly Katrina in the Gulf and thinking oh my goodness, that’s a world of hurt right there.
Anyway, maybe BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE!, live from Barcelona, can cheer us up! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE! BRRRUUUUUUUUCCCE!
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BADA BING
August 27th, 2011
2:08 pm
This just in……Hurricanes are ‘windy’.
1811/0311
August 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
Confederate General Jo Shelby and his Iron Brigade never surrendered to Union forces. Instead they fought their way to Mexico, buried their battle flag in the Rio Grande and disbanded.
A few years later upon his return to the United States he was appointed U.S. Marshal for Missouri.
Here is an interesting viewpoint of his which as always indicates that particular war was much more complex than most want to admit.
“One of Shelby’s first acts after taking office as marshal was to name a black man as one of his deputies. Exasperated by the complaints that subsequently flooded his office, Shelby finally published a statement, saying the “young Negro” was efficient and capable, and that was all that counted. As for himself, he had “no patience with that sentiment that gropes always among the tombstones instead of coming out into the bright light of existing life and conditions.” It would be “unmanly” to deny this young fellow “the right to do for himself everything that will improve and better his condition. I trust that this is the last I shall have to say in defense of my official action. I am right in what I have done, and by that right I propose to stand.”
“General Shelby’s March” by Anthony Arthur
1811/0311
August 27th, 2011
2:17 pm
Kammy:
“Can’t they observe their faith as they seem fit?”
1) Of course they can. Where did I say otherwise?
2) Religious “thingies” aren’t always common sense.
3) I said they were “weenies” for doing so ……… and it’s still their right to be “weenies”.
4) I said they liked to be kept free through the force of arms of others.
Did you just go down a rabbit hole ???
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
2) Religious “thingies” aren’t always common sense.
Bait.
Cast.
STRIKE!
Glass house, meet stone.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
2:24 pm
scout
I do know how you feel, many were saying the same thing about the previous president – did you heed their warning? The bottom fell out at the end of his term, thus giving us the current president. How do I really feel about him? He is definately not as bad as you say he is but he certainly has been a disappointment in many regards. We have something in common, you take care of your business not matter who pulls the levers, I do the same. In the end, one must look out for themselves first, because if you don’t everything else suffers. No matter how long this president is in power, “this too shall pass”. I know your answer is but at what cost? Fear not, we are americans, enough said….
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
2:26 pm
Maybe the hurricane will blow Yankee stadium into the Atlantic.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
Hey rats, short for Democrats,
Did you all hear about Obama and the earthquake? They now say the fault runs through DC and now Obama has named it Bush’s fault.
Have fun while it lasts, rats. Since getalife refers to GOP voters as cons, I’ll refer to Democrat voters as rats. Fair enough?
carlosgvv
August 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
1811/0311 – “was much more complex than most want to admit”
The Civil Was was indeed complex and had many causes and motivations. However, no amount of logic, persuasion or scholarship will persuade most “African Americans” that the war was not fought solely over slavery or that today’s whites should not feel guilty because of slavery. Professional vilctims will always stayed glued to the beliefs that feed their paranoia and hatred.
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
2:29 pm
These “weenies” like to be kept free by force of arms (and better men than themselves) but they just don’t like to sing about it.
LOL at the unwitting Christian basher! (Why read any of the material cited, when a headline will do?)
“Can’t they observe their faith as they seem fit?”
NON-VIOLENT MENNONITES???
Not if they ain’t Baptists. To the rabid, these peaceful “weenies” must be akin to the anti-Christ…
As I walk through This wicked world
Searchin’ for light in the darkness of insanity.
I ask myself Is all hope lost? Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?
And each time I feel like this inside, There’s one thing I wanna know:
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding?
Ohhhh What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding?
And as I walked on Through troubled times My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes
So where are the strong
And who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XYFJUP84lE
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
How does a blog about Bruce Springstein/hurricane end up devolving into an argument about race and religion?
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
Did you all hear about Obama and the earthquake? They now say the fault runs through DC and now Obama has named it Bush’s fault.
That was mildly humorous the first time.
The last three hundred?
Not so much.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
2:32 pm
“The last three hundred?”
There’s your sign.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
2:37 pm
Hurricane hysteria hits the yanks – boy are they going to po’d, the media hype would have you think its the end of the world, when it probably will be a dud-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46bBWBG9r2o
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
2:41 pm
Awwwwwwww …………………………. someone has a new sock-puppet to play with.
Isn’t that special.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
“Awwwwwwww …………………………. someone has a new sock-puppet to play with.”
No Kam, I have what real people call a life. I just stopped by because I like Bruce Springstein.
Have a nice afternoon.
out of the blue
August 27th, 2011
2:47 pm
AmVet….I like his wife better (huge smiley face inserted).
getalife
August 27th, 2011
3:07 pm
Yeah, the rough part is just now hitting North Carolina.
Mick
August 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
By the time it gets to jersey, it’s just going to be a massive rain event…
Paulo977
August 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
Very good …ha ha ha ha
Mick
August 27th, 2011
3:30 pm
Let’s keep it going-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-9iNVoeghI
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
3:44 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqH3uliwJY
josef
August 27th, 2011
3:56 pm
CARLOS
@ 2:28
“However, no amount of logic, persuasion or scholarship will persuade most “African Americans” that the war was not fought solely over slavery or that today’s whites should not feel guilty because of slavery.”
At the risk of bringing our the Imam Torquemada with a fatwah (or a new thread! J ), I’m going to respectfully disagree. It has been my experience that most African Americans are even more recalcitrant than many white Southerners in debunking the canard that the Civil War was to “free the slaves.” By and large, they don’t buy this particular interpretation which is most feverishly perpetuated by the Northerners who, heavily drawn in population and cultural world view from the immigrants of the late 19th Century, have bought the Sharia version of the story which rests on that piece of national mythmaking.
As with their white co-nationals in the South, African Americans, and particularly those still tied to their Southern homeland, are inheritors of the direct connection with the slavery period. It is more to them than a whitewashed textbook story or a party line presentation of professional academics, or as some would want to call them, “major” historians. Those who do not want to admit the complexities of that time and place are largely the deracinated who lack that personal, oral history, connection thereto.
Adam the other night put forth the contention that slavery was the “framework” of the conflict. That is true enough, in my opinion and, but our problem in discussing the epoch and what it means, is that we don’t have the capacity, as a nation, to look at the painting inside that frame. It is too complex a work for many lacking the education (or interest) to appreciate in its impressionist detail from the lives and experiences of those who went through it, oblivious to the revisionists’ efforts to broadbrush it into something more of the abstract school.
Just my opinion.
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
4:19 pm
It is too complex a work for many lacking the education (or interest) to appreciate in its impressionist detail from the lives and experiences of those who went through it, oblivious to the revisionists’ efforts to broadbrush it into something more of the abstract school.
Fred
August 27th, 2011
4:30 pm
Holy Crap Mick (@ 1:09). I left a few minutes too early. Joe Walsh? Steve Cropper? Donald “Duck” Dunn? Does it get any better than that?
Mick
August 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
fred@4:30
Yes-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQbZpmR_eGw&feature=related
Mick
August 27th, 2011
4:41 pm
fred
Wrong one-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0E96QlUCA&feature=related
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
4:42 pm
Paulo977
Yep, and Obama’s poll numbers continue to fall…
Fred
August 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
While not “better” I think it’s just as good to have Matt (Guitar) Murphy and Ray Charles play with Cropper and Dunn instead of Joe. Of course when you toss in the horns of Tom Malone, Alan Rubin, and Lou Maroni…………..you get some great stuff too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbrIrFxas0
Midori
August 27th, 2011
4:46 pm
did the hurricane blow in YET ANOTHER sock puppet?
Mick
August 27th, 2011
4:48 pm
The polls are falling, the polls are falling, OK, so what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocGDDsZnCag
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
4:52 pm
md
I know the cruise ships now employ that modular building concept. With something that appears to be so streamlined and efficient, I’m just curious as to why there are not builders here employing those ideas?
2) Religious “thingies” aren’t always common sense.
Fred
August 27th, 2011
4:58 pm
Ok, I recognise Billy Preston and John Entwisle, but who were the others? Here’s one of the best Entwistle ever wrote, but I can’t find a version with good audio…………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYw0Fu7ugdU&feature=related
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
4:59 pm
Hiya Midori!
Fred
August 27th, 2011
5:02 pm
I dunno Mick, both those tunes who played with the All Star Band are two of my all time favorites. Although if I had a gun to my head and had to make a choice, I’d go with the Grand Funk tune……..
Fred
August 27th, 2011
5:03 pm
Midori; Naw, it’s probably just Thulsa in drag…………
Midori
August 27th, 2011
5:07 pm
Hi Kammy
Fred — OMG!!! The visual!!!
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:08 pm
midori
How’re your folks doing?
Mick
August 27th, 2011
5:13 pm
Fred
You have excellent taste, its all good….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U
Hi Midori
Gotta step out for awhile
Midori
August 27th, 2011
5:13 pm
Josef – I heard about a child being killed in Newport News by a falling tree, and I’ve been trying to call my daughter but can’t get through.
They just reported it was a little boy, aged 9, so that took a load off (my grandson is 13).
It looks really bad. I’m still trying to get through. Lots of flooding in Tidewater
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:13 pm
K’chak
Lacking the education:
access to the primary resources: first person letters, documents, memoirs, newspaper accounts
Lacking the interest:
Really don’t give much of a sh*t about what happened 150 years ago
You might want roll your eyes someplace else on that particular one…and no, sport, I’m not telling you what tod do…
Midori
August 27th, 2011
5:14 pm
Hi Mick
Name
August 27th, 2011
5:14 pm
DEMO: to destroy CRAT: to participate
By definition, the DEMOCRATs are doing a pretty good job destroying our country.
Even their mascot indicates they are the party of jackasses!
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:17 pm
midori
Hope yours is all good news…haven’t heard from our North Carolina lot, but pretty sure they’re personally okay…the went inland…they’re in an area subject to floods, but are used to “battening down the hatches” so to speak…
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:18 pm
“did the hurricane blow in YET ANOTHER sock puppet?”
Hey look, it’s Kamchaks parrot.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
5:18 pm
josef
Lincoln’s brilliant strategy of turning the war into a war about slavery did win the war for the North. It literally turned the French Fleet away from giving the South the aid and arms that it would need to defeat the North. It also turned many major Northern Cities into areas where racist Northerners were seeking out Blacks and lynching them in the “draft riots” after finding out that Northerners would be giving their lives to free the slaves, a concept that was rarely popular in the North.
As any historian knows, the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in areas that were under control of the South and since the document also recognizes the separation of the South from the United States: legally, the document was worthless. But it did what Lincoln wanted it to do. It made it impossible for Europe to join the South since the slavery issue was already settled in most European countries.
Of course, it would take a total of three civil rights acts, drafted by Republicans and fought by Democrats before Blacks would achieve the rights of equality. But even now the policies of Democrats still work against the advancement of Americans of African Heritage. And as we know, the number of abortions of minorities is multiples of the number of abortions of whites, exactly what the founder of planned parenthood had in mind.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:19 pm
Rat words: Sock puppet, bigots, racists, nazis, flat earthers, knuckle draggers.
Can’t the rats come up with more intelligent words?
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:20 pm
Good Little Liberal
Remember, the rat party created the KKK in Tennessee. What a lovely little party the rat party be.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
5:28 pm
Zap Rowsdower
That was the first KKK. They also created the second KKK at Stone Mountian, GA.
And never forget what a very wise Black Man named Walter Williams said:
What the Democrats have done to the Black Population far exceeds the wildest hopes and dreams of any KKK Grand Dragon.
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:31 pm
ZAP
Just my duties as EOI here but the GOP’ers instituted the policy of blood genocide against the Plains Indians and were the 8 votes on the Supreme Court which passed a-okay on Plessy v Ferguson and then later made sure we all got the message with Williams v Mississippi…seem to recall that was also the party involved in the Hawaiian takeover…lovely little party that one, too..
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
5:36 pm
josef @ 5:31
You know the bad stuff doesn’t count.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
5:39 pm
josef
Interesting perspective, especially considering that members of the Supreme Court are not elected or are they associated with either party.
As far as the Hawaiian nonsense, The Russians, the French and the British were there before any Americans was there to gain power.
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
5:40 pm
Regarding the transparent “new” “contributor”, a mystery meat by any other name is just as ludicrous.
Mick, those back to back LPs So What and The Smoker you Drink, the Player you Get were both spectacular.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNGFsaY_JyQ&feature=related
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:41 pm
BROSEPHUS…
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
5:44 pm
Brosephus
Actually the bad stuff counts a whole lot. Actions by the supreme court may count against the justices, but hardly against any politrical party, considering that no justice owes alegence to either party.
The Calvinist that settled Hawaii were there long before there was a Republican Party, as were the Russians, the French and the British.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:45 pm
“Regarding the transparent “new” “contributor”, a mystery meat by any other name is just as ludicrous.”
Looks like another rat can’t handle other opinions.
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
5:45 pm
josef
Exactly. The whole Southern Conservatism is nothing new. A leopard never changes it’s spots. It may change political parties, but the spots always betray them.
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:48 pm
GLL
All nine members of that Supreme Courts were active members of the Republican Party (including the one, Justice Harlan, who voted against Plessy and who was also the lone Southerner on the Court and himself born into a slave-owning family)…
So, you would contend, then, that the liberals on the current Supreme Court are not “associated” with the Democrat Party? Nice two step, but excuse me if I sit out that dance…
Learn some Hawaiian history…the French, Russians and British were there, but they were out to influence the legitimate government of the Hawaiian Kingdom, not to take it over…not so Uncle Sam…
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
5:50 pm
Brosephus
LOL!!
I’ll try to remember: If they are bad, they are Republicans, no matter what history teaches us, and if they are good they are democrats, no matter what history and common sense and a trip through any Great Society ghetto teaches us.
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Actions by the supreme court may count against the justices, but hardly against any politrical party, considering that no justice owes alegence to either party.
My, my, my… how times change. Now you have sitting SCOTUS justices attending and speaking at partisan sponsored events. Sorry but that dog don’t hunt no more. As I said, a leopard never changes it’s spots.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:52 pm
Brosephus
Did Obama pay for your gas money and buy you a house?
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:53 pm
There’s a new topic about the so-called defeat of Al Queeda if anyone’s interested. Beats talking about slavery and how all white people are evil.
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
5:54 pm
If they are bad, they are Republicans, no matter what history teaches us,
That’s not what I said… Conservatism is as conservatism does. It has nothing to do with political parties. Those beliefs and actions transcend party lines. Neither party, in my eyes, is good. I just don’t cop to the whole idea that one did so much good for my people, as you acknowledge, and then you refuse to acknowledge the bad. There were conservative Democrats AND conservative Republicans that achieved multiple orgasms by screwing Blacks as often as they could.
AmVet
August 27th, 2011
5:55 pm
Opinions are fine. Especially if they are informed and remotely intelligent.
Juvenile insults? Not so much.
And constantly hiding behind a new name?
Childish and cowardly.
Nonetheless, endlessly entertaining to the adults here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CimBddCrrPA&feature=related
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
5:55 pm
Did Obama pay for your gas money and buy you a house?
Nope, but you did. So keep paying your taxes so that I can pay mine.
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
5:56 pm
“Juvenile insults? Not so much.”
Whatever you say, Mystery Meat.
Midori
August 27th, 2011
5:57 pm
so when another sock puppet can’t handle other opinions, it immediately launches into a 3 Stooges type “duck, dodge, hide” routine.
Brosephus
Did Obama pay for your gas money and buy you a house?
josef
August 27th, 2011
5:58 pm
GLL
The Calvinists you mention were participants in the Hawaiian political system and supporters of what is called Haole nationalism. The had their own parties which promoted this idea. It was only after their power began to wane in the 1880s that their descendents, subjects of the monarchy, began under the spurring and agitation from the US mainland (still at the time under Republican control) to reject their Hawaiian citizenship and take direct actions to overthrow the Kingdom and petition for annexation…
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
5:59 pm
josef
I need to learn Hawaiian History? LOL!!
The Hawaiian Kingdom made a huge part of it’s income in the 19th century from sugar sales to the US. Cuba was about to take that away and the decendants of the New England Calvinists that had settled the Islands in the late 1700s fought to have the Islands declared a US Territory. This saved the Hawaian economy.
Only native Americans should be here, by your perspective, but trying to associate the Republicans party with genocide is complete nonsense, unless you want to claim that the genocide started in 1854 at the outset of the Republican Party. You are only 400 years off. (1492)
Jay
August 27th, 2011
6:00 pm
From what I can tell, Zap is a newcomer here.
Fresh red, white and blue sheets upstairs.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 27th, 2011
6:00 pm
Southern men and women had higher rates of divorce in 2009 than their counterparts in other parts of the country: 10.2 per 1,000 for men and 11.1 per 1,000 for women, according to a new report from the U.S. Census Bureau released Thursday.
By comparison, men and women in the Northeast had the lowest rates of divorce, 7.2 and 7.5 per 1,000, which is also lower than the national divorce rate of 9.2 for men and 9.7 for women.
“In the South, there are higher rates of marriage and higher rates of divorce for men and women,” said Diana Elliott, a family demographer with the U.S. Census Bureau and co-author of the new report. “In the Northeast, you have people who are delaying first marriages, and consequently there are lower rates of marriage and lower rates of divorce.”
Of the 14 states reporting divorce rates for men that were much higher than the U.S. average — ranging from 10.0 to 13.5 per 1,000 — most were in the South. They included Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas. CNN.com
Well, there they go, slamming the South again. They don’t understand us Southreners. We love to do You Know What, just not with the same person all the time. I bet if they asked who goes to church most we’d wind up at the top of the heap.
josef
August 27th, 2011
6:02 pm
Hot d*mn! Ole Torquemada is a continuous source of income! New thread and another $10 in my pocket! Seems like some people would quit betting on that one..
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
6:02 pm
From what I can tell, Zap is a newcomer here.
At the risk of offending posters here, who really cares???
Jay
August 27th, 2011
6:04 pm
Just remember to put a check for my share in the mail, Josef.
Good Little Liberal
August 27th, 2011
6:06 pm
Brosephus
You make the common mistake of thinking that Conservatism=racism. Racial purity was a very progressive idea. If it weren’t, Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger would have been Republicans, but they weren’t. Most people think that the Germans were the only people in Europe who believed the racial purity nonsense. It was an idea that was the foundation of the liberals around the world.
josef
August 27th, 2011
6:11 pm
GLL
The Calvinist missionaries arrived in the 1820s. The Americans might have “saved” the Hawaiian economy given the imperialist perspective, but it brought the utter destruction to the Hawaiian population in terms of human numbers and culture.
And, GLL I said, “the blood genocide” of “the Plains Indians…” Nor did I date it in 1854. It was a produict of the 1870s and 1880s. And for the record, even though the tragedy befalling the American Indians in the Americas can be dated to 1492, the United States of America had no policy or record of genocide prior to the 1860s…
Brosephus
August 27th, 2011
6:13 pm
You make the common mistake of thinking that Conservatism=racism.
I have not made that statement. I know that Conservatism is based in the belief of keeping things the way they are with little initiative to try new and experimental ways of doing things that are already being done. Racism has nothing to do with political beliefs. Racism is all about maintaing a perceived power over individuals that you feel are subordinate to you. Progressivism and/or Liberalism, as you choose to equate the two, is the belief in trying new and experimental ways of accomplishing things as opposed to ALWAYS doing things as they have been done in the past.
People who have that perceived power over others whom they feel are subordinate to them WILL NOT choose to change the way things are. They fight to keep things the same as to not lose their perceived power over others. Racism is simply about power, not political beliefs. A political stance, however, can be used to maintain that power as opposed to changing the status quo.
josef
August 27th, 2011
6:13 pm
IMAM
At 10% commission I now owe you $2…but are you SURE you want a check? Not just because you might not want to trust mine, but there’s that nasty little paper trail…cash or money order…?
Zap Rowsdower
August 27th, 2011
6:26 pm
“so when another sock puppet can’t handle other opinions, it immediately launches into a 3 Stooges type “duck, dodge, hide” routine.”
Awe cupcake, you don’t know the difference between opinions and cut downs.
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
6:36 pm
josef
“Frame of reference” is not a foreign concept to students of history.
Quite the contrary, it is the cornerstone for which it is taught whether the history of western civilization dating back millennia or U.S. history just a century and a half ago.
josef
August 27th, 2011
6:47 pm
K’chak
And, as I said, it is proper. I use the frame of reference constantly in my work in the field of history. It should not, however, be seen as other than that which encloses the painting, the details of which we are discussing. Too many want to argue the frame without ever getting to the painting.
Paulo977
August 27th, 2011
7:02 pm
They just reported it was a little boy, aged 9, so that took a load off (my grandson is 13).
I feel your relief …OMG .Hope your folks will be fine and unharmed …
A child asks for protection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3P-xUa-VUw&feature=related
Kamchak
August 27th, 2011
7:09 pm
josef
Frame of reference /= frame of painting.
josef
August 27th, 2011
7:35 pm
Kamchak
I agree entirely with that…but, when talking about the frame stops us from talking about the painting…an example here…GLL will not accept the frame of reference of 19th Century imperialism as the frame of reference for discussion of the Hawaiian venture…he wants to argue that this is not the framework instead of looking into the detail of the role the Republican Party played in creating the painting inside…