Hurricane Irene intent on exacting a toll

A satellite image is worth a thousand words.

irene

Governors of five states have already declared a state of emergency. And as Nate Silver warns in the New York Times, after assessing the history of hurricanes making landfall in the Northeast:

“Apart from the inevitable loss of life in the most densely populated part of the country, history suggests that the economic damage could run into the tens of billions of dollars, depending on the severity of the storm and how close it comes to the city. Unlikely but theoretically plausible scenarios could have the damage entering the realm of the costliest natural disasters of all time, and perhaps being large enough to have a materially negative effect on the nation’s gross domestic product.”

A sobering if not downright frightening assessment of possible damage is offered by meteorologist Mike Smith here. “The damage potential is huge,” he writes. “Even if the “best case” occurs, I believe the damage may be north of $10 billion.”

He also notes that on its current path, Irene will hit New York City with ground-level winds of 70 to 90 mph. “However, above about the 20th story of buildings, winds will gust well above 100 mph.”

– Jay Bookman

389 comments Add your comment

jm

August 26th, 2011
11:18 am

Tens of Billions might be generous depending on how severe the storm, where it hits, and all the knockon effects. Could easily be a couple hundred billion $’s. Everyone cross their toes and fingers.

md

August 26th, 2011
11:23 am

Does this mean the Gulf Coast States can finally include others in the catastrophic insurance pool?

If we are going to have national hc, how about sharing the insurance pool too……………

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
11:24 am

That is one scary picture.

MightyRighty

August 26th, 2011
11:27 am

Meanwhile, our government is “focused like a laser” on job distruction

Federal agents swooped in on Gibson Guitar Wednesday, raiding factories and offices in Memphis and Nashville, seizing several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. The Feds are keeping mum, but in a statement yesterday Gibson’s chairman and CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, defended his company’s manufacturing policies, accusing the Justice Department of bullying the company. “The wood the government seized Wednesday is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier,” he said, suggesting the Feds are using the aggressive enforcement of overly broad laws to make the company cry uncle.

jm

August 26th, 2011
11:29 am

Surfs up in GA, SC, and NC. If you like trashy waves and riptides.

pat

August 26th, 2011
11:29 am

It’s Bush’s fault.

Patrick

August 26th, 2011
11:29 am

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
11:32 am

That’s a big, angry, woman out there

Midori

August 26th, 2011
11:33 am

I’m truly worried/concerned about this hurricane :(

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
11:33 am

The hurricane. Not Michelle

carlosgvv

August 26th, 2011
11:33 am

I can see it all now. This hurricane does a huge amount of property damage. Governors up and down the Easters seabord declare their States disaster areas and ask for Federal assistance. Tea Party members in Congress march in lock-step saying “no” to any Federal assistance. The spit then hits the fan.

pat

August 26th, 2011
11:35 am

“Gibson has been the subject of an ongoing federal lawsuit and a separate investigation into whether it illegally imported endangered ebony woods to use in its sought-after instruments”

Wow! Why is the press so mum about this? Raiding the offices? Seriously, feds have nothing better to do?
This is militant environmentalism run amok.
They couldn’t just buy a guitar to see what kind of wood it’s made of, that had raid the company over wood?
Travesty of justice.

Citizen of the World

August 26th, 2011
11:42 am

This does not look good — I certainly hope people will get out of the way of this storm, and I am also hoping it will weaken and make landfall where it will do the least damage to life and property.

To the off-topic MightyRighty, regulation is necessary and must be enforced. What business are you in? What business are your suppliers and competitors in? Do you not believe that regulation protects you at least as much or more than it burdens you?

Law enforcement (a form of regulation) also makes mistakes every now and then and creates some havoc for the wrongly accused or arrested, but would you have us declare law enforcement “freedom destruction”?

Midori

August 26th, 2011
11:45 am

Citizen – from what I heard, it’s supposed to make landfall twice. the problem is, the longer it stays out to sea, the stronger it becomes.

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
11:48 am

pat and Mighty, maybe you missed the news about the bag of rice with a Khapra beetle that customs agents stopped. We spent millions of dollars (1950’s dollars) and years eliminating this non-native pest. Did y’all ever stop to think the regulations against importing unfinished wood might be a good thing? Probably not, you’d squall and screech about how the feds spend all your precious tax dollars on a teeny bug, what a freakin’ waste.

Oh, and so sorry if the impending hurricane is not as much fun as complaining about your pet WhirledNutDaily peeve.

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
11:49 am

Americans will need and receive federal aid in times like these, the greedy will take it but forget it has to be paid for.

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
11:53 am

Re Gibson, the best tone wood for guitars is on the protected species list. There are laws governing the use of such wood, for money Gibson might break the law, you reckon?

St Simons - we're on Island time

August 26th, 2011
11:56 am

woohoo – here we go. Righteous surf at Fernandina. Surfs up. Really. up. 12-15

Butch Cassidy

August 26th, 2011
12:00 pm

Quick, alert the six members of the “Super Congress”. They need to decide if spending money on disaster relief is warranted, and then demand that the Democrats come up with a dollar for dollar reduction in spending. Maybe we could just stop sending federal dollars to the Gulf Coast and swap them for the Eastern Seaboard?

Jimmy62

August 26th, 2011
12:00 pm

If the hurricane hits NYC, it’s because Obama hates white people, right?

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
12:01 pm

Sobering stuff linked by Jay to 538, to be sure.

Of course you can’t put a price on lives lost, and I hope our Northeasterners opt for safe over sorry when presented with the choice.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
12:01 pm

And as for the ignoramus with his off-topic distractions, jeez.

At least pretend to give a rat’s ass about a region that is home to scores of millions of your fellow Americans, MR.

midtownguy

August 26th, 2011
12:04 pm

This is God’s punishment of NY for passing gay marriage. Sorry, I just had to channel a little Pat Robertson.

FEMA and other federal agencies have long contemplated what would happen if a small state were hit hard. Unlike Florida, Texas on Georgia, where state government, and therefore command and control, could stay intact at the state level. What happens if the entire state like Delaware is without power and unable to function?

JOE C00L

August 26th, 2011
12:04 pm

*sigh* And Jimmy62 wonders why no one takes him serious.

Midori

August 26th, 2011
12:05 pm

no Jimmy – it just means you have the most unimaginative brain ever.

That “joke” wasn’t funny the 1000 other times it was posted.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:07 pm

I read that they are sortieing Navy ships out to sea to ride out the storm from South Carolina to Connecticut. One of my favorite “Navy Times” was the time we rode out a storm in Sasebo Japan anchored in the sound. We had our boilers lit off and we would swing around the anchor chain as necessary to avoid Japanese fishing boats and coastal steamers that broke their moorings. It was an intense two days, but we showed the Japanese what American seamanship was like. I have also been in storms at sea that made you wonder if you were going to see daylight again. Anybody remember the storm scene in the movie, “The Caine Mutiny”? Times ten, it was…

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:07 pm

If the hurricane hits NYC, it’s because Obama hates white people, right?

Well, that’s one conclusion the nutwing will make, yes.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:08 pm

Let’s home we don’t have a “heckuva job, Brownie” moment.

Generation$crewed

August 26th, 2011
12:12 pm

Let us all hope those given evacuation orders indeed leave and do not try to “weather” the storm. Especially as slow as this one appears to be moving, the eye could be focused on an area for quite some time before moving on.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
12:13 pm

“Let’s home we don’t have a “heckuva job, Brownie” moment”

Wishing you weren’t where you are right now? ;-)

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
12:16 pm

What happens if the entire state like Delaware is without power and unable to function?

Think about Rhode Island. Practically the whole state is within 50 miles of a coast, bay, or inlet.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:17 pm

Yep, Irene is going to be a disaster. No doubt about it.

If you want to read about another disaster, read about the $111.8 billion the new Obama regulations are going to cost us. Kyle has that subject well covered. Totally factual.

mm

August 26th, 2011
12:17 pm

Eric Cantor has already said no disaster money will be coming unless there are equal custs elsewhere. These idiots are hellbent on losing the next election bigtime.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:22 pm

Normal,

My husband once rode out a typhoon on a Navy ship, too. I gather it was not his happiest days.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
12:24 pm

Hang tough, eastern seaboard.

Hopefully, all of the once-Republican, now-conservative (LOL!) Uncle Sam haters won’t have be bailed out due to their own bad choices. /sarc/

Peadawg

August 26th, 2011
12:25 pm

“Eric Cantor has already said no disaster money will be coming unless there are equal custs elsewhere.”

Nothing wrong with cutting unnecessary spending somewhere (Afghanistan anyone??) to fund disaster relief.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
12:27 pm

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

mm,

Cantor’s statements were discussed ad nauseum last night.

He obviously meant that as future planning because government aid is already being extended for Irene.

GOP is trying to figure how to cut costs in all areas. Maybe Dems should try it. Remember the big big government debt???

Real Scooter

August 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

Eric Cantor has already said no disaster money will be coming unless there are equal custs elsewhere. These idiots are hellbent on losing the next election bigtime.

So,I guess you could say Canter is more worried about our economy than he is the next election.Right mm?

Mick

August 26th, 2011
12:30 pm

My cousins from jersey usually call me up when a hurricane is poised to hit s. florida, it will be strange to be making the same call only vice versa. I think the buildings will be just fine but the windows, that’s another story…

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:31 pm

AmVet,

Go soak your head in a surge!! Irene is a choice? What Uncle Sam haters? You?

jconservative

August 26th, 2011
12:31 pm

The Tea Party in the House will approve disaster relief if it is offset with equal spending cuts in other areas, except defense.

The Democrats in the Senate will propose a 1% surtax on all incomes over $1.5 millon.

The Senate will not be able to get 60 votes on the House plan and the House will not approve the Senate plan.

jt

August 26th, 2011
12:32 pm

It has been noted that the Federal Emergency Management Agency has been underused in the aftermath of the tornadoes around Missouri, Alabama, and parts of Georgia. Here’s what I think.

The people of New Orleans waited around for the government to rescue them, and we all know how well that turned out for them. Now, the people of Alabama,Missouri,and Georgia took care of each other and themselves, and churches and other organizations are pitching in, so there is very little need of FEMA’s help.

This is as it should be, in my opinion. Government aid always comes with strings attached (I helped you; now vote for me), so private assistance is more desirable for retaining our freedom.
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Whatever happens with Irene…………….let us all disappoint the statists.
US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
12:35 pm

dusty

Notice how the ame is played on your side? Huffing and puffing about 100 billion but was there any specifics? (NO) It also was the EPA, you know that agency that protects us from polluting and destroying the land where we live. I mean really, what would you prefer, the US to be more like china? They don’t give a damn about the environment nor the people who live in it….

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:36 pm

Dusty,
I was luckier than most because I never got sea sick…I did get bruised though. But still, when you are in a a storm of any magnitude, whatever arrogance you might have had about your place in life went with the breeze, pun intended. The majesty of the sea at those times is just beyond awesome.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:37 pm

“US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys.”

I think they said that about the Soviet Union, too…Coincidence?

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
12:40 pm

jt, aka Mr, Private Assistance, here’s chance for you and the other Uncle Sam haters to put your money where your mouth is.

Get that checkbook out and help those people who are gonna get clobbered.

And don’t be chincy! (LOL)

If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
When the levee breaks I’ll have no place to stay.

Cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
Now, cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
12:43 pm

jt, anarchy is a really cool idea if you’re a 9th grade emo kid. For adults…not so much.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

#Irene: “Nation Building” at home! Construction jobs for all!

Mick

August 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

The gop will cut aid so they are stuck with a 10 billion dollar bill.

Personal responsibility for the States but not for the gop.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:46 pm

US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys

jt hates everyone. I know that because he doesn’t get that “government” is us in this country. We elect them, they do what we collectively yell to do. If we don’t collectively yell, they do what they get paid to do by someone else. The government is us, not them.

jt

August 26th, 2011
12:46 pm

AmVet
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Good tune but……………………………….I help everyone by spreading the word of Ron Paul.
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Whether or not you statists know it or not………….is your own problem.
But remember………..put Uncle Sugar behind thee……and you too……..can have this………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC1NR7AL_9s

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:47 pm

Where are the “Tenthers” on this whole #Irene thing? Oh, right, it’s only liberal areas being hit.

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
12:48 pm

Perhaps we could pay the unemployed to clean up the mess since we’re already paying them and they have nothing else to do? Wouldn’t cost us much more than we’re already paying and the way the economy has been going, there are lots of them…

I wonder, if this thing tears up Martha’s Vinyard, will Obama just tell all the rich people there to pay for their own clean up since he think they should pay more anyway? Cut out the middle man so to speak?

jt

August 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

ByteMe
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YOU might be Barney Frank………….or a war mongeror………..or a corrupt-o-crat…………….
just don’t count me involved in your little corrupto canoe club.
.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

mm

August 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

Dusty,

“GOP is trying to figure how to cut costs in all areas. Maybe Dems should try it. Remember the big big government debt???”

Remember who caused most of it? The ones that are now making a big deal about.

I’m going to LMAO next year when the GOP gets clobbered in November. You have nobody to blame but yourselves.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

RB.

You want corporate to pay these workers?

You can lose your con card for that.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

AmVet-You sound like conservatives talking to Warren Buffett. Still crickets from Warren on that check to pay down the national debt

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:51 pm

Mick,

I hoped you would read the specifics as written by Kyle. He is concerned by all “pending and planned rulemaking” that will cost us at least one billion dollars. He mentions EPA and other 218 plannned rules.

We don’t need to be “hogtying” business when it is down and out. The environment will survive even without regulations. .. Business may not survive with them.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:52 pm

hank,

He bought 5 billion to bail out Bank of America.

Good enough for you?

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:52 pm

I would pray for the people on the east coast but I’m sure the atheists in here would find that offensive so that would get me thrown out of here.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:53 pm

getalife-Last I checked BOA wasn’t the national debt right?

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

mm

I suggest you do more reading on the national debt. Find out how much it has jumped since Obama became president. You really should read before you start making bets.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

Or is it all just blurry to you.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
12:55 pm

Let’s remember folks that at times like these Americans need to stand together…..

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:55 pm

hank,

Well, if you ignore the jobs lost and the revenue from those jobs.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:58 pm

GG,

Our President asked for unity but the gop said no for the election.

They did unite on tarp to bail out the banks but that is all the unity we will get from the gop.

I have to question their patriotism and Dusty is here to opine.

She thinks she is a expert on patriotism so lets hear from Dusty.

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
12:59 pm

“You want corporate to pay these workers?

You can lose your con card for that.”

We’re already paying them getaclue. You do know who pays for unemployment don’t you? Hint, it’s not the government….

If we’re already paying them, perhaps we could get them to do some work for their pay??

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
1:00 pm

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

RB,

Americans donate their time and money after a hurricane.

Since your party will not vote yes this time, it is all we got.

It will fall way short of the costs but you love destroyed cities like New Orleans.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

getalife- I think that’s 2 separate things, not ignoring either.

Agreed GG

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:03 pm

hank,

It is related.

Mr_B

August 26th, 2011
1:03 pm

“As a share of gross domestic product, corporate profits also have been increasing, and they now represent 11.2 percent of total output. That is the highest share since the fourth quarter of 2006, when they accounted for 11.7 percent of output.” ( 3rd quarter 2010, NYT)
Doesn’t sound like US business are down and out to me, Dusty.

Jay

August 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

I haven’t looked, Dusty. Do the figures offered by Kyle and Boehner mention the offsetting benefits produced? You know, lives saved, health costs saved, etc.? Or don’t those kind of costs count?

I do know one of the regulations in question involves coal ash. You know, the stuff that spilled from a retention pond in Tennessee a while back, about a billion gallons of waste containing heavy metals and other highly toxic materials, waste that is currently entirely unregulated?

Do they mention how many of those regulations are legally REQUIRED under laws passed by Congress?

Midori

August 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

careful Mr. B — next you’ll be called an “ingrate”

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:07 pm

The reality is the gop will only vote to bail out the banks and the rest of America are on their own.

No help for natural disasters or the American worker.

Common Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

In NC the weekend to check on things, buttoning up for the rain. Fun times are due around midnight tonight and ALL day tomorrow. :-)

What was the link the other day for our spelling challenged TP friends?

The picture looked like someone I know and I want to confirm it. LOL

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:09 pm

Oops I forgot the gop will vote yes on corporate welfare too.

Sorry about that.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
1:10 pm

LOL, meat, you are a veritable Sherlock Holmes.

That was exactly my point. To throw their sophist nonsense right back at them.

You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

jt, I made it through about half way, but that’s all I could take.

I don’t think those folks who are gonna go through horrendous suffering in the next few days give a flying ____ about your politics.

Just a guess, though…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJopR2KCYJk

Rich

August 26th, 2011
1:11 pm

From the West — Hold onto your seats East Coast! Good luck in riding it out!

Mick

August 26th, 2011
1:15 pm

rb

Not a bad idea, I’ve always thought that those collecting unemployment should be required to do something, anything in the community that would not take away from wage earners but would supplement keeping the streets and parks clean…

Mr_B

August 26th, 2011
1:16 pm

The basic fallacy at work is the idea that a dollar spent complying with a regulation somehow dissapears into thin air, or ends up in some undiscovered government stash. It doesn’t, it just creates jobs and opportunities for someone else.

Mr_B

August 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

Mick: What you’re sugesting would be analogous to Roosevelt’s CCC and WPA. SOCIALISM!

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

“Oops I forgot the gop will vote yes on corporate welfare too.”

You mean like bailing out GM and Chrysler? Or in your hyper partisan little mind, do those not count because they were given by a D?

Your reasoning skills are similar to my 6th grader…

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

NATO Targets Syria After Libya for Regime Change

With globalist restructuring plans for the Middle East and North Africa looking to be nearly complete, one major hurdle remains. After a relatively easy path to victory in Tunisia and Egypt, and with the project to dismantle and re-privatise the Libyan state nearly complete, only Syria remains as the last serious contender for resistance against a globalist effort to dominate the greater region.

[W]estern media consumers can firstly expect a trial by media of Assad, followed by more Western-backed provocateur actions within the country designed to sway international opinion in favour of international sanctions, a UN Resolution, followed by a No Fly Zone, coupled with a protracted NATO bombing campaign, and finally capped off ultimately by a “regime change” in Syria.

The story by now, should be a familiar one. As with Libya, top analysts have concluded that the recent Syrian unrest was planned many months ago, and has since been seized upon by the western media. It is not surprising here that unrest in that country has been both financed and driven mainly by a foreign agents of influence, and not true reform seekers as is depicted in the western mainstream press.

As with the technique used in Libya, the western PR machine will then spin the story that Assad’s forces opened fire on “peaceful protesters” and therefore rendered illegitimate as a ruling government in that country. This PR effort is then helped along by digital trending using social networks like Twitter, with the majority of regime change activity being posted in English language format.

I know that you are all basking in that warm glow of having eliminated a “dictator,” but all is not as it seems. Let’s just see if any of this comes true. I invite you to read this article with an open mind. It might change your mind about what you are told by the mainstream media.

md

August 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

“He bought 5 billion to bail out Bank of America.”

Just out of the goodness of his heart right?

Now tell us all what he stands to gain………………………….I know, have you looked it up??

Paulo977

August 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

Dusty
re:”Remember the big government debt”

Big government haters would shrug this off as ” Too lazy to help themselves”!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU-z1jcp09s

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

Knowing that things could get real ugly for my east coast brothers is kinda tough.

Not gonna be around for tonight’s songfest, so gonna play a few before I scoot.

This Gram Parsons tribute has beautiful harmonies and fantastic musicianship. Typical for this band…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75IZ4ZL9joI

Mick

August 26th, 2011
1:22 pm

Actually, bringing back the WPA and the CCC would really help to address our aging infrastructure. I mean if we really are broke, then shouldn’t we be marching out of all wars like yesterday?

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
1:23 pm

“The basic fallacy at work is the idea that a dollar spent complying with a regulation somehow dissapears into thin air, or ends up in some undiscovered government stash. It doesn’t, it just creates jobs and opportunities for someone else.”

It’s expense that adds no value to the goods being produced. Add enough of this garbage onto the cost of a product and you’re left with a product that’s not competitive or an employer who has stuff made somewhere else.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
1:25 pm

amvet

No need to worry, those jersey and new yorkers are plenty tough. So there won’t be any crying over spilt beer – fuggetaboutit…

jt

August 26th, 2011
1:26 pm

AmVet
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Your last music selection had 263 views.
.
Why am I not surprised?

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
1:27 pm

You have to regulate abusers of people or the environment. The GOP just wants to regulate personal freedoms.

md

August 26th, 2011
1:27 pm

Corp profits are up? Really? Isn’t that to be expected when expenses are cut?

To the tune of 20-30 million layoffs…………………

Some of you are too funny………..picking and choosing the aspects of the equation that look good to your argument.

I’ll be the first to say i don’t have all the numbers, but common sense should dictate some of this.

Shipped labor over seas……..labor costs reduced. laid off % of workforce…..labor/benefit cost reduced…………require remaining labor to work long hours…….labor cost reduced………..

Yet some only want to see the profit…………..

Joe the Plutocrat (and Travis Bickle)

August 26th, 2011
1:29 pm

to be honest, it looks like “Irene” might provide a better “stimulus” than Ben Bernanke. while I am cynical of the “$10 billion on a good day” predications and the casual acceptance of “loss of life” I suppose it is better (in terms of the outcome, and Weather Channel, CNN, Fox News, et al, revenues) to err on the side of caution and prepare for the “worst case scenario”. that said; the folks who sell generators, non-perishable foods, bottled water; as well as home improvement/repair supplies, etc. will get to turnover some inventory. ditto the insurance giants. they “plan” for this; dare I say “account for” this, and the upside after payment of several billion in claims is; higher rates AND probably lots of new customers. to be honest, the true role of government (local, state and federal) is to ensure order is maintained, and perhaps emergency response in the form of search and rescue, EMT and traffic/evacuation management. when all is said and done; like the debt, or the next election, we’re mostly just spectators and we’ll just have to take our medicine and soldier on.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
1:30 pm

Dusty: Maybe Dems should try it.

Maybe Dems should do things the Republican way!

Jeez. And as long as the media falls for it we’re going to end up with a far right representation.

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2011
1:33 pm

“AmVet
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Your last music selection had 263 views.
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Why am I not surprised?”

That’s because it was only uploaded 21 days ago. jt you really need to get some help!

Adam

August 26th, 2011
1:34 pm

Results so far:

Anti-Obama posts = 3
Individual anti-Obama posters = 2
Anti-Bush posts = 0
Individual anti-Bush posters = 0
Posts meant to skew the results = 1

Jimmy62 @ 12:00p – post meant to skew
Dusty @ 12:17p – anti-Obama
RB @ 12:48p – anti-Obama
Dusty @ 12:54p – anti-Obama

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
1:39 pm

Mick, let’s hope it’s all much ado about nothing. And yeah, no doubt, they’re tough as nails up there, but mother nature has a way of humbling even the strongest of us.

We all gotta die. It’s part of the circle.

He was only 56. If I make it a few more months, I’ll see 57…

That amazing grace sorta passed you by
And you wake up every day
Hang your head and cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDdqubE7zQ

Paul

August 26th, 2011
1:41 pm

Just spoke with my brother, lives right off Times Square. Said stores were pretty good with food and water stocks and other things that, had it been Texas facing this, the shelve would’ve long since been emptied.

Spoke with a friend in Texa, daughter in Manhattan and another one in Brooklyn. Said attitude of many is ‘ho-hum.’ Daughters don’t have that attitude, having been thru hurricanes in Texas.

I hope attitudes don’t get people killed. It’d be such a needless waste. This is bloody serious.

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
1:41 pm

If the GOP holds back disaster aide, they are truly only in it for themselves.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
1:42 pm

Sorry about the missing s’s, have a stuck key and don’t always proofread.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
1:42 pm

NY Transit to shut down at noon tomorrow. Braves game — in NYC — start time is 1:10 pm. I’m guessing lots of no-shows.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

August 26th, 2011
1:43 pm

Now. I know dang well Obama has got this covered.

I mean, if Bush fumbled the economic recovery wrought following 9/11 and stumbled his way though Katrinia, I know our current leader Barack “Gilligan” Obama has this under control.

If not, I know he will have just the right words to comfort me. ‘Nuff said.

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
1:46 pm

Attn: We are still working on diverting Irene back out to sea.

In the event she cannot be turned back, we bring you this PSA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRvPoCWElOc

Normal

August 26th, 2011
1:47 pm

I heard this morning on the weather channel that they were trying to figure out a way to secure the big high rise cranes on top of the buildings. Wouldn’t that be a mess if one or more toppled…

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
1:48 pm

Jimmy62 — “If the hurricane hits NYC, it’s because Obama hates white people, right?”

No, it’s because Bachmann, Perry, Cain and the rest of the GOP Wrecking Crew didn’t all get together and pray for jebus to miracle that there tempest away.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
1:49 pm

Generation$crewed

August 26th, 2011
1:49 pm

Adam

August 26th, 2011
1:34 pm

How was the 12:54 or the 12:48 anti-Obama?

One asked if another poster knew how much Obama had added to national debt. How is that Anti? Isn’t it a fact that our deficit has been added to since President Obama became Pres?

The other asked a question? What was negative about it?

Seems your little talley kept each day is getting less and less objective.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
1:52 pm

jt — “US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys.”

I’m sure the people in NOLA who got plucked off rooftops by the Coast Guard could tell you otherwise.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
1:54 pm

In the middle of maelstrom, a little calm is nice…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN_7mHDknyM

Paul

August 26th, 2011
1:57 pm

Generation$crewed

You had an earlier post questioning why Pres Obama hasn’t had/submitted a budget for two years.

The federal budget process begins with the president’s priorities as outlined in the President’s Budget, which goes to Congress, which then goes to the committees and the resolution/reconciliation process.

You can read about the process here:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=155

and review the past 17 president’s budget requests here

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/browse.html

Adam

August 26th, 2011
1:58 pm

GS: will Obama just tell all the rich people there to pay for their own clean up since he think they should pay more anyway? – this part is anti-Obama. “Begging the question” is not a good defense for trying to cover that up.

You’re right on the 12:54. By itself it doesn’t count. Removed from the next results.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
1:59 pm

AmVet

Warren Zevon tunes always make me weepy…..reminds me of the “zillettes
who learned to sing “Roland” before kindergarten…..

too cute by half.

md

August 26th, 2011
2:02 pm

Here’s 1 to add to the silly adam survey category……………

Jay

August 26th, 2011
2:04 pm

I disagree, jm.

We’ve already agreed that the payroll tax has been serving as a defacto surtax on the working and middle classes that the wealthy have been largely exempt from. (Capital gains have been ENTIRELY exempt).

So simple fairness requires that we allow the wealthy to pay that surtax as well, correct?

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
2:05 pm

Wow, Granny. Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner? VERY, VERY cool.

Reminds me of this – another intellectual ditty about a (South) African fighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liuzXtSRYN8

Adam

August 26th, 2011
2:06 pm

So simple fairness requires that we allow the wealthy to pay that surtax as well, correct?

Sometimes I want to have leads hooked up to a conservative brain when this question, preceded by Jay’s prefaces to it, is asked. Just to see if emotional vitriol centers light up or something.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
2:08 pm

Adam

August 26th, 2011
2:08 pm

md: I know. No one likes to be categorized. Of course, you have nothing to worry about with regards to this particular survey, right?

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
2:09 pm

Obama said, “You’re doing a heckuva job, betty”

+1 for pro Obama!

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
2:09 pm

Hankie Aron — “I would pray for the people on the east coast but I’m sure the atheists in here would find that offensive so that would get me thrown out of here.”

I’m an atheist, and I don’t care if you want to pray. Go right ahead.

If you want to know what kinds of praying get us upset, maybe you could ask instead of leaping to conclusions about us.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
2:11 pm

AmVet

yes, Roland….Norways favorite son….my brothers were
and are great uncles.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
2:15 pm

Oh, look. An editorial blasting Congressman Cantor for pushing cuts to the US Geological Survey, the National Weather Service and NOAA.

Back in MARCH.

I feel sure that Cantor’s opponent in next fall’s general election will be only too happy to remind Cantor’s constituents of this.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-richmond/eric-cantor-defends-cuts-that-affect-your-safety

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:16 pm

Jay 2:04
A. I was talking about including increasing all taxes, payroll, income, and capital gains, since the pilfering of excess payroll taxes benefited everyone in relative equal proportion to the taxes normally paid. (Of course, after that, as I said, I’m all for reducing taxes by eliminating unnecessary inefficient deductions)

B. The wealthy are exempt from all of the payroll tax because they don’t benefit from it on a pro-rata basis. If you want to tax everything over $100k, fine. Then you get to go massively increase the benefits rich people receive, massively increasing the total cost of the system. Net benefit is negative or zero at best. Instead, the progressivity of the payroll tax should be improved by means testing and reducing / eliminating the benefits paid out to those that don’t need them. And they will still be paying payroll taxes on the $100k.

Ie, in addition to raising taxes (before reducing to offset deduction elimination), you have to reduce benefits for those that don’t need them. You’d think liberals would jump all over this but they don’t know how to say “yes”.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:17 pm

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
2:17 pm

Granny, I bought Excitable Boy back in the day and loved it. A fantastic record.

Rock steady…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8bBE-DpR-4

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
2:18 pm

Bookman,

Why don’t you read Kyle’s piece yourself? He is most straight forward without the twists and suggestions we experience here.

If you think one billion is not too much to pay for a little less air polution and water pollution, go for it!! But do mention budget pollution while you are at it.

Don’t worry about our health problems. Mz Obama has already attributed that to obesity, not the environment.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:20 pm

AJC: Ga. resident turns 115 today

Good thing social security starts at 65. She’s now had retirement taken care of for 50 years……

50 years…..

When average life expectancy jumps up to 85 and 90, this system will be so messed up….. (so we need to tie the retirement age to life expectancy by making it a % of L.E.)

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:20 pm

Oh good Dusty is here — I see that God didn’t smite her down for the earlier remarks to me. She should be glad her God is merciful.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:21 pm

Yeah jm, we need to make people work until they are 80. :roll:

Mighty Righty

August 26th, 2011
2:21 pm

Citizen of the World

August 26th, 2011
11:42 am
Of course there are some needed regulations. The problem is when power is given to unelected officials who deem themselves wiser than anyone else and unilaterally appoint themselves as our protectors. The case in point concerns wood from Madagascar for goodness sakes and the Fed’s sent thugs to confiscate unrelated material legally obtained by Gibson. First, no one should have the authority to just barge into a business without a warrant and second where in the h–l in our constitution does it give our government authority to stop a business from using foreign grown material without so much as a court order? If you like this kind of governemnt, you got it. One day they tear your door down for no good reason because they don’t like what you are doing.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:22 pm

I mean, just damn that old 115 year old lady, her and her kind have just screwed us all up.

Kamchak

August 26th, 2011
2:22 pm

If you think one billion is not too much to pay for a little less air polution and water pollution…

Profits before pollution.

Amazing that christians here don’t follow the “do unto others” rule.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
2:22 pm

“Don’t worry about our health problems. Mz Obama has already attributed that to obesity, not the environment.”

As if that silly jab could turn the attention away from your support for polluters over children.

Stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:23 pm

Bosch 2:21 – your hero Warren Buffett is still working and he’s 80. I was thinking more like 70, eventually 75 in like 2040 long after you’re gone. But nevermind…. I don’t think math and statistics are your kind of thing.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:23 pm

jm,

“your hero Warren Buffett ”

Take your assumptions and shove it jm.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:24 pm

“I mean, just damn that old 115 year old lady, her and her kind have just screwed us all up.”

Yeah, cause that’s what I said.

Bosch, you think people can’t work past 65. Fine, then I think we should make it illegal for anyone over 65 to have a job. See how that works out. For both rich and poor.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:24 pm

“I don’t think math and statistics are your kind of thing”

And from the way people smack down your posts, I’d say they ain’t yours either.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
2:25 pm

“The problem is when power is given to unelected officials ”

But those elected officials don’t write the regulations. They pass the laws and the appropriate affected agency writes the regulations that implement the law.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:25 pm

“Bosch, you think people can’t work past 65″

Again, take your assumptions and shove it. You don’t think or speak for me. Understood?

HRH Michelle Obama

August 26th, 2011
2:25 pm

I am not proud of my country yet, again! A hurricane and an earthquake in the same week! This is a right-wing conspiracy to ruin my vacay and MLK’s monument dedication. You white taxpayers owe me another luxurious getaway.

PS My brother Martin looks awfully pale and with an Asian twist. America ruins it once again for the US Black Elite! Haters!

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:26 pm

“And from the way people smack down your posts”

Bosch, don’t worry. I’m not too worried about supposed smack downs and threats from the blind.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
2:26 pm

115?….Is the GOP pushing a cap on aging….?

Yep, turn ‘em into soylent green after 25 years of retirement?

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:27 pm

“Again, take your assumptions and shove it.”

Charming. What a polite nice warm hearted little liberal.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
2:27 pm

Dusty

One really, really has to look at not the final dollar cost, but how those costs were determined.

For example, Texas is ready to sue the EPA over regulations regarding coal-fired plants. Texas has had years and years to comply. EPA said ‘enough, we’re going to force compliance.” Texas said “yeah, right, heard that before.” EPA did. Then came claims from Texas that plants would have to be shuttered, electrical generation would decline by double digits, customers would be lost, etc.

Independent research firms said “well, if you just do a couple simple things with the equipment you already have you’ll comply just fine.” Texas said “but the industry said it’d cost gazillions, we don’t want the EPA telling us what to do and we’re gonna sue.”

http://texasclimatenews.org/wp/?p=2317

I imagine a few of those exaggerated claims have been rolled up into those billion dollar estimates that are bandied about.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:28 pm

Bosch, take your blood pressure medications. Or Jay may have to drop another emergency Travelin Music on you if he feels so inclined.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
2:29 pm

jm — “Charming. What a polite nice warm hearted little liberal.”

You deserve no better when you put words in his mouth.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:29 pm

Bosch

Sorry, I didn’t mean to assume Warren Buffett, a capitalist pig, is your hero. I’m sure its Jane Fonda, Stalin, Marx, and the rest of that crew.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:31 pm

Hi ya’ Paul! So the kiddos up North are battoned down???

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:31 pm

Joe Mama – you go ahead too. Its fun. You guys must have been banned from The Vent and need to release yourselves here with all your blustery hot air.

Stevie Ray

August 26th, 2011
2:32 pm

This just in from this insurance geek. The last named storm to affect the eastern seaboard was Hurricane Jeanne in 2004 which affected many of the same states and caused $4.15 billion in insured losses. It ranks as the tenth costliest storm in the United States. Remember, this is just residential and commercially insured loss. Irene appears to be capable of much more damage particularly depending on how many high value areas are smacked. Remember also that most of Katrina damage was due to failure of man-made retainment systems that failed. Also, know that it is not uncommon for the uninsured losses to well exceed insurance losses to exceed insured. My over/under is $50 billion total loss assuming weather genius’ proves accurate which often is not the case.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:33 pm

“I’m sure its Jane Fonda, Stalin, Marx, and the rest of that crew”

jm,

Do you just pride yourself on being wrong all the time?

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
2:33 pm

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
2:35 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – you go ahead too. Its fun.”

Gee, thanks, THREADMARM. :p

“You guys must have been banned from The Vent”

I’ve never been banned anywhere. Not so sure about you.

“and need to release yourselves here with all your blustery hot air.”

Hope you enjoyed your lunch. You’ll have to try that dodge-out-of-the-discussion method again sometime. ;)

Paul

August 26th, 2011
2:35 pm

Bosch

Thanks for asking. Yeah, brother and friend’s kids are taking this seriously. Brother also lives a couple blocks from the Hudson – not far from where that airliner landed. So a surge effect is a real possibility.

I suggested he get an Amtrak ticket and get outta Dodge -

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
2:36 pm

For brother Normal, who digs a great oldie or two…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo6zBKMQO7w

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:37 pm

Mrs. G.,

You see that kind of stuff around — it’s the subtle racism I’ve been talking about. People don’t just come out against certain groups of people they hate (except for like, Scout), but they veil it different guises.

Sick, sick stuff.

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
2:38 pm

No reason to raise the bennies, on those who pay more, they already have more. Pay FICA on all income. Just think of it as a part of being a good american citizen…smile and open up another bottle of Dom.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
2:39 pm

“I suggested he get an Amtrak ticket and get outta Dodge”

Or, in this case, GO to Dodge?

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
2:39 pm

Give me one Warren Buffett over ten of jm’s hero – Donald Hairpiece.

For brother getalife and his observation that some people lack this gene…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C8V5Ia-XOU&playnext=1&list=PL8F2AD12FA6895B87

OK, I’m out. Have a safe and happy Friday evening, folks…

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:40 pm

Mrs. G.,

Well maybe not racism, but bigotry is the better word.

Paul,

Glad to hear it! I always think it’s better to be safe than sorry, not enough people take this kind of thing serious — it’s the Crying Wolf syndrome.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
2:42 pm

OH my, when Bosch and Granny start preaching, we are all in for a revival.

Well, I’m revived.

I guess we can all talk nasty about our elders like Bosch did, their toilet habits, etc.. And we can all say that reducing USA expenditures is “killin’ the chillun”. And I suggest a shovel ready job for Adam who does nothng but count bloggers on his fingers for an occupation.

I tell you. The environment here is killing the minds of liberal bloggers. Call the EPA. We need a new regulation!! But make it cheap!!

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:42 pm

Bosch 2:33 – pride yourself on being a little snot all the time?

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
2:42 pm

Geez. I guess this is what the kids are listening to these days. I try to find a nice inspirational song to make Irene steer east and I find this garbage with 20 million+ hits.

would be funny if not so sad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWggPLXeOkU&ob=av3e

Paul

August 26th, 2011
2:42 pm

Since some have been talking about FICA rates and fairness and raising the cap – any thoughts on this?

People who work for someone else pay and their employers pay. Self employed pay both rates.

What of a self employed person with no employees? Say a handyman or the like. Does it really fit the intent of assessing tax on an employer and his employees?

Kamchak

August 26th, 2011
2:43 pm

Bosch

We gotta play against Leverkusen, Valencia and Genk in Group E.

Looks like Group A with Bayern Münch, Man City, Villarreal and Napoli is the Group of Death.

Stevie Ray

August 26th, 2011
2:43 pm

Forgive me, the over and under on insurance claims for Irene is $5 billion not $50 billion….any of you still interested in discussing Irene as opposed to racism plz advise. I’m taking the over.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:43 pm

Bosch,

Do you just pride yourself on being wrong all the time?

(See how well that works? Another Bosch Fail, the – liberal – stupid it just hurts)

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:43 pm

Dusty,

I did no such thing. If you are going to make up lies, then at least have the decency to do it when I’m not around to see them or they can be easily shown to be the lies they are.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
2:44 pm

No AmVet for Friday night travelin’ music?!!?

Out picking up a new ride?

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:44 pm

Stevie I’ve seen estimates (I think from Reuters) of as much as $100B including economic effects

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
2:45 pm

Dusty

The fact remains – you support polluters over children.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:45 pm

“Looks like Group A with Bayern Münch, Man City, Villarreal and Napoli is the Group of Death.”

Ooooooo wow. I’ve gotta look these up.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
2:45 pm

jm

Bosch is no little snot he’s a great big booger, and we pick him!

(snarc)

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
2:46 pm

OK Bosch,

“Racism is so subtle here”. Must be. It is so subtle I don’t even see it. Where is it? Hiding behind the music? In your eye? What race? Martian?

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:47 pm

“You deserve no better when you put words in his mouth.”

Joe Mama made himself God. How entertaining. Typical for big government liberal types. Always think they’re the arbiters of the world. Wrong.

Tom Middleton

August 26th, 2011
2:49 pm

Well, this ought to put us in the mood for remembering 9/11. Maybe in the future, we could designate a special day for remembering 9/11 and Irene together…with the Irene destruction taking the lead. Let’s all pray we won’t have to!

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:49 pm

Kamchak,

I thought Schweinsteiger went to Chelsea. He’s a big German beast.

Logical Dude

August 26th, 2011
2:50 pm

Stevie,
I’d take the over too. If it’s not over, give the money and be glad the damage is less than expected.

Hook, Line, and Sinker

August 26th, 2011
2:51 pm

Hankie Aron
August 26th, 2011
12:53 pm
getalife-Last I checked BOA wasn’t the national debt right?

You sure don’t know much about the FEDC do you? Who do you think is paying for all those Georgia banks that are failing left an right?

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
2:51 pm

Paul, good question on FICA. Self employed folk, at least I would consider the employer side of FICA a cost and set their prices accordingly, if they think they can get a better deal by working for someone else, they would. Will the cost of a handyman’s labor go up? Depends on the quality of their work and the number of handymen. He will after all, have some security when he retires for those who think about the future.

Hook, Line, and Sinker

August 26th, 2011
2:51 pm

Sorry – FDIC

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
2:52 pm

Yeah, granny, I hate children. That is why I produced and love five of ‘em.

Strangely enough, I thought feeding them a good diet was a sensible idea before any government ideas came along. Glad somebody told you how to have a healthy diet. When does yours start?

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:52 pm

Kamchak,

And it appears Man U. got off kind of easy.

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
2:53 pm

We’re still hoping for change and this bitch will go back where she came from.

Regardless if she hits or not, we will still disperse billions in support to those affected (or not) by the storm.

So kick back and have a cold one folks.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
2:55 pm

jm — “Joe Mama made himself God.”

Well, given that all gods are manmade, that sounds good at first blush, but no. You just need a good hard rebuke for all that insert-words-into-others-mouths schtick of yours. You can say what you want here (subject to Jay’s rules) and so can I. Isn’t free speech WONDERFUL? :D

“How entertaining. Typical for big government liberal types.”

Given that I voted Republican for the first 20-odd years of my voting life and that I *enlisted* during the Reagan Administration, you know what you can do with your “liberal” label. Your team has run off a lot of more moderate and temperate voters (like me), and you don’t seem to be making much of an attempt to win them back.

Hint: Flies, honey, vinegar. Make the right choice.

“Always think they’re the arbiters of the world. Wrong.”

What’s wrong is you presuming to speak for others on this board. But that’s authoritarian conservatives for you; always behaving like they own the thoughts and opinions of others. Wrong.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:55 pm

“Regardless if she hits or not, we will still disperse billions in support to those affected (or not) by the storm.”

I’m going to ring the nonsensical alarm on this one. We are going to dispense billions even if the storm doesn’t hit, eh? Um, no.

Though I will still have a cold one.

Kamchak

August 26th, 2011
2:56 pm

Bosch

That was my hope when he announced that he wished to play in the EPL. We need help in the midfield, and he seemed like the logical choice.

We couldn’t even score a goal against Stoke in our opener, so I don’t hold out a whole lotta hope about our success this year.

Just as long as we finish in the top four, we can continue in the UCL and enjoy the monetary rewards.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:56 pm

Joe Mama – fail

“Your team” stop inserting words in my mouth narc

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
2:57 pm

Stay tuned for updates to find your local liquor store looting flash mobs.

WE WILL SURVIVE!

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
2:57 pm

Bosch,

Has your memory failed? You explained to us this morning how you hated cleaning up the “mess” (bms) of puppies and elders. You said “elders” made the worst except when your puppy ate garbage.

I didn’t think that up. You wrote it. If that is showing respect, you fooled me. I thought it was disgusting.

jm

August 26th, 2011
2:57 pm

Joe Mama – you know what, come to think of it, you’re right. I was a straight line Democrat up until last year (post electiO

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:57 pm

Have UEFA schedule, will travel (I wish).

getalife

August 26th, 2011
2:58 pm

You lose power and water so the best choice is to go visit family on higher ground.

Welcome to our world East Coast.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
2:58 pm

jm: You didn’t rally think that liberals are just a bunch of people who would let you roll over them all day, did you? Seems a little short sighted to assume one group of politically minded folk are just going to take whatever you try to shove down their throats.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
2:59 pm

“You explained to us this morning how you hated cleaning up the “mess” (bms) of puppies and elders.”

Dusty, you are a liar. I did not say that I hated it, I said that I had. God smites liars, you should be worried and stay away from little children.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
2:59 pm

Jefferson

Thanks for the thoughts. That is one area where the broad-brush application runs counter to what I see as the intent.

As far as a cost of doing business, it is that. Yet many are not able to raise rates to cover every cost increase. About the only industries that seem to get away with that are shippers and airlines – then they all move together for fuel surcharges.

I just got to thinking about it in terms of the FICA ceiling. Might be an area for comprise – raise the ceiling but tax only at the employee rate.

Else, you start including interest, dividends that sort of thing, make no distinction between earned and unearned income, then what’s the argument for not taxing that income at the self-employed rate? They’re earning it, it comes from a non-employer, so it’s subject to the self-employed rate?

Details, details….

getalife

August 26th, 2011
3:00 pm

“I was a straight line Democrat up until last year (post electiO”

I doubt that.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:00 pm

Dusty: And I suggest a shovel ready job for Adam who does nothng but count bloggers on his fingers for an occupation.

Oooooh I hit someone’s nerve. I’m so, SO sorry.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:01 pm

“You said “elders” made the worst except when your puppy ate garbage”

Again, another lie. I did not write that. I would appreciate it if you would not project your immoral behavior of lying onto me.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
3:01 pm

**I was a straight line Democrat up until last year**

Yeah, uh-huh, you sure are convincing…

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:01 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – fail”

Right back at you, Dudley.

“Your team” stop inserting words in my mouth narc”

If you’re going to make it a habit, then don’t get all exercised when others do it.

So what’s it going to be? Presuming to speak for each other, or showing some honesty and character? I can do either.

How about YOU?

Kamchak

August 26th, 2011
3:03 pm

And it appears Man U. got off kind of easy.

Yeah, so did Barça.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:03 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – you know what, come to think of it, you’re right. I was a straight line Democrat up until last year (post electiO”

Shrug. Sorry to hear that.

It’d be easier to believe if you didn’t appear to be so heavily invested in the GOP/TP narrative. Whereas I’ve criticized the President and Democrats *many times* on Jay’s blog.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:03 pm

Results so far (3:01p):

Anti-Obama posts = 2
Individual anti-Obama posters = 2
Anti-Bush posts = 0
Individual anti-Bush posters = 0
Posts meant to skew the results = 3

New since last result set:

Hootinanny Yum Yum @ 1:43p – Counting as “post meant to skew the results”
Dusty @ 12:54p – previously anti-Obama, has been removed since it didn’t attack Obama enough, really, to be counted
moonbat betty @ 2:09p – Counting as “post meant to skew the results”

Fred

August 26th, 2011
3:04 pm

Wow, Bosch seems a little grumpy today and very short on patience.

Don’t forget it’s Nat’l Dog Day Bosch, THAT should put a grin on your face. :D

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:04 pm

Paul..way back somewhere here

You thought the one billion estimate of costs for regulations was out of line. You figure that no one knows exactly how much they will cost or what the effect of not having them would cost..

Maybe so. But we do know that costs usually overrun their estimates and rarely come out less.

So it works both ways. There may be under estimates and there may be over estimates. Any way you put, it is going to cost the government/taxpayers a lot of money to start with. Nebulous future results are but a guessing game..

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:04 pm

Kamchak,

That’s too bad about the German beast. I used to keep up with the Bundesliga and the English Premier League, but I just couldn’t keep up.

Oooooo, how did you make that fancy Barca “c”??? :)

Pat Robertson

August 26th, 2011
3:05 pm

Mother Nature is mad at America for gay marriage and is exacting revenge….

Tom Middleton

August 26th, 2011
3:05 pm

Jay sir, where’s the music? How about B.B. King’s “Stormy Monday”?

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:05 pm

Fred,

I’m not grumpy, I am just calling the liars out. Somebody must. God doesn’t like liars, he smites them, so Dusty should get indoors.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:06 pm

Pat Robertson — “Mother Nature is mad at America for gay marriage and is exacting revenge….”

BUSTED. Mother Nature is a PAGAN figure.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
3:06 pm

bosch

I don’t get it, how could anyone possibly have an issue with you?
Humor-check, loves animals-check, snappy commentary-check, helfer dreaming – double check, youare double A-OK in my book; except football over soccer eight days a week…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 26th, 2011
3:06 pm

Government aid always comes with strings attached (I helped you; now vote for me), so private assistance is more desirable for retaining our freedom.

Well, that’s right as rain! Us folks down here in GA can just pass the hat to help the Northerners out after the hurricane hits. Heck, I’d be willing to throw in a penny or so. If every person in GA did that, there’d be enough money for a good down payment on a trailer for some family that watched their house go out to sea. They can just learn to live the way we do.

Who needs guvmint when you got people like us?

Fred

August 26th, 2011
3:07 pm

Bosch: For funky feriner letters and such:

http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
3:09 pm

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
2:52 pm
Yeah, granny, I hate children. That is why I produced and love five of ‘em.

Strangely enough, I thought feeding them a good diet was a sensible idea before any government ideas came along. Glad somebody told you how to have a healthy diet. When does yours start?

so what happened? why did you change? why do you now think polluters are more important than children?

Oh and by the way, I had two girls and between the two of them there was only one “sick visit” to our pediatrician in all those years.

No allergies, no ADD, no ear tubes….

(Hate? Wow)

God

August 26th, 2011
3:09 pm

“God doesn’t like liars, he smites them, so Dusty should get indoors.”

Bosch, don’t speak for others, hypocrite!

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:10 pm

Mick,

And I even, when the opportunity presents itself, will help old ladies across the street (unless their name is Dusty)!!!

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:11 pm

RC (R) — “Who needs guvmint when you got people like us?”

I would expect that you have a good old pickup truck with a winch, a towbar, some ropes, cables or chains in the back and maybe a toolbox with one’a them little chainsaws in it. Hell, you could do some disaster relief all by yourself in a setup like that.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:11 pm

God — “Bosch, don’t speak for others, hypocrite!”

BUSTED. God is a MYTHOLOGICAL figure.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
3:12 pm

Here is a very enlightening piece called social security for beginners – all you younger folks please read and pay attention-
http://www.truth-out.org/bernie-sanders-introduces-bill-lift-payroll-tax-cap-ensuring-full-social-security-funding-nearly-7-0?q=social-security-beginners/1311356627

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:12 pm

“God” should be a banned username

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:13 pm

Joe Mama: BUSTED. God is a MYTHOLOGICAL figure.

HEATHEN! BURN! BURRRRRRN! Burn your house down with explosive lemons!

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:13 pm

Mick,

And I also have a mad crush on this girl, and since the topic IS about rain, it’s appropriate, I posted it last night in case you saw it, but she’s so cool, I’ll think I’ll do it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aWcXlG1sgY

Kamchak

August 26th, 2011
3:13 pm

Oooooo, how did you make that fancy Barca “c”???

I simply googled Barca and copy/pasted from the google results page, but I’m gonna bookmark Freds shortcuts link. Thanks Fred.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:15 pm

Actually Shirley Manson is no mere “girl” and she is older than I am.

Heck of a job, Brownie

August 26th, 2011
3:15 pm

GW: “Hey O’bummer, word of advice-don’t do a Air Force One fly-over of the damage”

P.S. You can borrow my flight suit with accompanying exagerrated cod piece.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:15 pm

Bosch: Shirley Manson is MINE! You can’t have her! :D

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:16 pm

” but I’m gonna bookmark Freds shortcuts link. Thanks Fred”

Yeah, me too and ditto Fred!

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:16 pm

Adam — “God” should be a banned username”

The simple expedient of requiring registration and a username to post generally eliminates sockpuppetry.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:16 pm

Adam,

As stands says:

I’ll fight you.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:16 pm

Crap I forgot to put “O bummer” in my search for anti-Obama posts….

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:17 pm

Bosch: Only if we do so with her as the judge of who wins XD

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
3:18 pm

Bosch, here is a chick for you (black pig tails):

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:18 pm

And I would like to dedicate this song to Dusty, the liar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N29vkIT3eo

Although in the place of “girl” it should be “old boring lady”

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
3:18 pm

not to make light of the pending storm, but are hurricanes really “disasters”? my Webster’s New World Dictionary defines Disaster as; sudden misfortune; calamity. what is “sudden” about ANY hurricane? we have an entire “season” dedicated to hurricanes? perhaps the real “disaster” is overpopulation and over-building? ditto earthquakes. they’ve been happening since long before we started walking upright and brushing our teeth after meals. I think Mother Nature maybe thinks homosapiens as a species is the “disaster”. what say ye, theists and other snake jugglers?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
3:19 pm

Zeus is the god of lightning… and we’ve had at least one poster who thinks he is a god to women….or was it just the gods gift to the women of this blog?

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
3:19 pm

ooops, missed linkee

Bosch, here is a chick for you (black pig tails):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4BsnXmJaI

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 26th, 2011
3:19 pm

Well, matter of fact, I do have a pickup with a chainsaw in the back. It’s squeezed between the antitank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense. But somebody’s got to pay for my gas before I do any rescue work. My Ford F-450 eats gas like a addict sniffs cocaine. And I’m not about to get arrested in some state that has laws against my 2nd Amenment Rights.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:20 pm

Adam,

I’ve never been a huge “chick singer” fan, but Shirley and there are others do not fit in that category. She can play with the big boys. :) Like me.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:20 pm

Bosch: Dusty, the liar:

Bosch! You are better than Dave R!

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:20 pm

Adam,

She lied, what else can I say?

Fred

August 26th, 2011
3:20 pm

Dudes? is that the chick the was in the Terminator series? She’s scary looking………….

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:21 pm

“BUSTED. Mother Nature is a PAGAN figure”

Yep. I wonder how many Christians know that to early Christians the female figure was Wisdom. God the Father, Wisdom the Mother.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:21 pm

Joe: Perhaps the real problem is assuming that there is no risk of natural disaster where anyone lives.

Fred

August 26th, 2011
3:21 pm

DaveR………… i KNEW it was quiet around here the last few days. He really holds on to a pout doesn’t he? Can’t say I’m sorry though……….

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:22 pm

Doggone: Yep. I wonder how many Christians know that to early Christians the female figure was Wisdom. God the Father, Wisdom the Mother.

Or that they believed in reincarnation?

Midori

August 26th, 2011
3:22 pm

you guys are having wayyyyyyy too much fun :)

I wish I had the time to laugh at you put jm and Dusty in their places — which is between a rock and another rock.

(speaking of “rocks” – Adam — you Rock!! :) )

however, I must go as duty calls.

have a good rest of the afternoon.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
3:22 pm

Dang it… Adam, will you start tracking how many times someone is falsely called a liar…. Bosch and I must have 3 at least today :D

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

Fred: As far as I’m concerned, he did what Jay told him to. He couldn’t be respectful, so he left.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

Joe P. — “theists and other snake jugglers”

I am SO stealing this.

Resistance is futile. I will add your humorous and incisive commentary to my own.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:23 pm

“He really holds on to a pout doesn’t he? Can’t say I’m sorry though……….”

Me either

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:24 pm

“Or that they believed in reincarnation?”

Well, that one hasn’t really died yet.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:25 pm

Keep: The only way I’d be able to keep up with the metrics of every possible thing would be if I had access to the database OR wrote an app to aggregate the data. I’m not THAT dedicated.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:25 pm

Fred — “DaveR………… i KNEW it was quiet around here the last few days. He really holds on to a pout doesn’t he? Can’t say I’m sorry though……….”

I rolled a stinkbomb into Kyle Wingfield’s blog about an hour ago and nary a nibble on the line. I’d say his regulars have all gone home or to the lake for the weekend.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:26 pm

Doggone: I mean officially

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:26 pm

Hello Dusty 3:04

I was questioning process. Seems to me many of the estimates come from industry or lobbying groups.

Which is why I think it best to rely on OMB, with consistent criteria. Then again, many cite OMB estimates, then add their own dire consequences and make it appear OMB wrote the entire piece.

I don’t believe this has been superceded, but the current state of law governing regulations is

“(b) Regulatory action shall not be undertaken unless the potential benefits to society for the regulation outweigh the potential costs to society;
(c) Regulatory objectives shall be chosen to maximize the net benefits to society;
(d) Among alternative approaches to any given regulatory objective, the alternative involving the least net cost to society shall be chosen”

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12291.html

and “Economic Benefits of Regulations Outweigh Costs, OMB Says”

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0611/062711cc1.htm

So in other words, Dusty, what we have are pundit after pundit after lobbying group after trade group complaining about the cost of regulations for THEM

not about the cost of having no regulations for US.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
3:27 pm

Doggone: Yep. I wonder how many Christians know that to early Christians the female figure was Wisdom. God the Father, Wisdom the Mother.

Or that they believed in reincarnation?

Or symbolic cannibalism…

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:27 pm

Oh, no wonder, he had a later blog post up. Oh, well.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:27 pm

Paul: right. Regulations are not something you can point to as having a hard dollar savings value. As though every last thing on earth has to “save money” in order to be a good idea.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:28 pm

Normal: Vampires and cannibals :D

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:28 pm

“theists and other snake jugglers”

What an awesome band name!!

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:29 pm

“Or symbolic cannibalism…”

Oh, that’s still there dude.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:29 pm

“Doggone: I mean officially”

Oh, Ok…I was thinking more of resurrection, not reincarnation. Though I’m not sure there’s a very wide difference!

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:30 pm

” I’d say his regulars ”

He has those?

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
3:30 pm

Burn your house down with explosive lemons!

Most creative taunt I’ve heard in a long time.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:31 pm

Bosch,

To refresh your lagging memory , I suggest you review your remarks made this morning in the “Perry-Social” blog .

At 10:44 in reference to your care of elders in your family you wrote”I’ve cleaned up more old people shyte and other various body fluid than I did with three kids in diapers.” You then suggested that cleaning up after puppies might be worse in some cases.

To add more respect, you posted at 10:56: “Humans stink and can sometimes stink very bad.”

If you think that expresses concern and respect for your elders, then you better not gorw old. Your children will feel the same way about any care for you.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:31 pm

Bosch

““theists and other snake jugglers”

What an awesome band name!!”

‘cept I wouldn’t want to be standing next to someone who’s drunk who tries to say ‘Theists”

unless I was wearing a hazmat suit.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:31 pm

Doggone: Well, here’s where I think the difference is:

Resurrection: Same body, same personality, reserved for only ONE demigod figure.
Reincarnation (as believed by early Christians): Come back to earth, new body, new personality, what everyone except the demigod figure gets.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:32 pm

“I was thinking more of resurrection”

I always thought that was just too creepy to actually believe it. That story about Mary Magdeleine seeing Jesus right after he’s resurrected and she doesn’t recognize him and then she realizes it’s him and rushes to him and he yells at her and says something to the effect of “don’t touch me woman” has always been like kind on the horror movie realm of weird to me.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:32 pm

“Or symbolic cannibalism”

THAT one definitely hasn’t died

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:32 pm

Dusty,

You are talking to my hand. I don’t assosicate with liars.

josef

August 26th, 2011
3:33 pm

Without scrolling back, has the thread been worn out?

NORMAL

What was that holy relic of St. Leibowitz said, “kraut, lb pastrami, bring home to Emily?” Sirrah!

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:33 pm

Normal — “Or symbolic cannibalism…”

Many moons ago during my first undergraduate degree, a cheap local theater advertised a “Catholic Horror Double Feature” one Saturday night.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067229/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058220/

:D

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:33 pm

Aquagirl: Most creative taunt I’ve heard in a long time.

To be fair, I stole it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyLUU3O4zW8

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:33 pm

And Dusty, your 3:31 just showed you to be a liar.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
3:33 pm

Paul, there are also times that some groups lobby for regulations. For example, GA had no contractor licensing until it appeared local cities might enact their own local licensing and then suddenly the associations started to lobby for state licensing regulations to preempt local regulation. So now, does that count as “bad” or “good” regulation.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:34 pm

“Resurrection: Same body, same personality, reserved for only ONE demigod figure”

right on the first 2, wrong on the last one. Ressurection is believed to be in the future of all when Jesus returns to earth.

Fred

August 26th, 2011
3:34 pm

That’s ok, make fun of my religion all you want, doesn’t bother me. I’m firm in my faith.

But I DO prefer “Ritualistic cannibalism” over symbolic. You can’t imagine the number of preachers I have given fits to when asking them how often they practiced the ritualistic cannibalism. I love God. Church? not so much…………..

dahlonega nose nugget

August 26th, 2011
3:34 pm

Who died and made Adam-Seargant at Arms…

Mick

August 26th, 2011
3:36 pm

Dave r has reincarnated himself as tiberius over at Kyle’s, same old dave r looking to boost his ego against all others. He will wither on the vine over there and eventually return. That’s my guess, there’s just too much ammo to be unloaded here, especially if you are a devoted con or IINO, as dave claims to be…

Tom Middleton

August 26th, 2011
3:36 pm

Jesus said “John is Elijah, who was for to come.” Reincarnation or resurrection?

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:36 pm

“But I DO prefer “Ritualistic cannibalism” over symbolic”

But it isn’t ritualistic cannabalism. THAT would be the actual consumption of the person flesh. Symbolic cannabalism substitutes something else for the actual flesh.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:37 pm

Keep Up

That’s a very good point.

I looked for it on the RNC talking points page and couldn’t find it, though.

As far as being a good or bad regulation, the answer is ‘both’ – if the person who thinks they’re bad when gov’t does it but wunnerful, wunnerful when industry does it.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:38 pm

Oh, gosh, really pleased to see this movie finally getting released:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1465522/

It’s been done for over a year, but couldn’t get a distributor. It turns the slasher genre on its ear, because the dangerous-looking good ole boys the college kids THINK are the killers really aren’t.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:38 pm

Mick: So Dave 1) Took Jay’s advice soundly, and decided NOT to post using his own name and 2) is more scares of the conservatives cyber-stalking him than the liberals.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:38 pm

To the Catholics out there, isn’t it the tradition that the bread and wine actually physically turn to flesh and blood?

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:40 pm

“IINO”

:lol:

That made me snort.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:40 pm

Bosch: To the Catholics out there, isn’t it the tradition that the bread and wine actually physically turn to flesh and blood?

Like I said, vampires and cannibals :D

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
3:40 pm

Paul… oh no… you’re not suggesting…..it can’t be…..

Bumper sticker mentality does not hold up well to the nuances of reality?

I AM SHOCKED. :lol:

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:42 pm

Bosch

“o the Catholics out there, isn’t it the tradition that the bread and wine actually physically turn to flesh and blood?”

http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap060500.htm

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:43 pm

Paul,

I’d love for us citizens to have every breath of air perfectly “clean”, every particle of food wholesome and pure, every bit of ground free of the smallest contaminant, everything we touch gernfree and every tree still standing.. We would have to devote the entire US budget to ever attempt to achieve such a state.

The problem is, we have already overspent on almost everything. The government has grown like Topsy! All of it needing money.

That is why I like Kyle’s piece. Someone is making an effort to decrease costs. We can maintain our independence if we try.

“The time has come,” the walrus said and it is now. We are out of sight with debt. We cannot sustain the notion that we can create Nirvana. Sopmewhere with what is know as ‘common sense” we have to STOP and reconsider. Regulations are one of them.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:43 pm

Paul,

Good grief, a simple yes or no would have sufficed.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:44 pm

Speaking of vampires, I saw an article somewhere, years ago, that postulate the theory that the vampire legend might be pre-historic in origin. The idea was that early man often lived in caves, and so do bats. That someone bitten by a rabid bat would become ill and seek the darkness in the back of the cave, because while a lot of people know about the water aversion of rabies (due to not being able to swallow) a lot of people don’t know that rabies can also induce severe light sensitivity.

And then, as the disease progresses, the ill person beccomes insane and emerges from the darkness to attack people…just as bats do. Hence the association of vampires with bats.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:45 pm

Dusty: Agreed. I just don’t think it’s responsible to go “all the cuts need to be made to EVERYTHING right this very second!” and that cutting an entire program on the basis of it having SOME waste is also irresponsible.

The fact is, you can’t cut out everything and solve the deficit in a single year, nor can you add taxes and solve everything in a single year. This is a long term problem that needs a long term solution, preferably one that doesn’t seriously hurt any one group more than another.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:47 pm

Also, regulations, just because they are regulations, doesn’t mean that they are bad. Now I know a lot of Republicans think that, and are even pushing completely unnecessary regulations on the state level in order to restrict abortions, for instance. But this is not the norm of regulations. Usually, regulations come about because someone somewhere was doing something very stupid and damaging, without really considering the consequences of doing so.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:49 pm

Would the athiests, agnostics, fall outs and others refrain from making rediculous statements about Christians?

We understand that you have your own way of life and nobody is forcing you to follow ours. So relax. Or you can come to church and discuss it without any discrimination. The invitation is always there for the gift that is given.

You do not have to stand out in the street and point fingers. Come right on in.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
3:49 pm

Love y’all…
have a great weekend…and if you do practice symbolic cannibalism, do it with your mate… ;)

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:50 pm

Bosch

“Good grief, a simple yes or no would have sufficed.”

From me? Are you kidding?!!?

Dusty

I took a look at Kyle’s colum. I don’t think Kyle ever read the US Code or Executive Orders or OMB directives regarding regulations.

It appears you’re looking at only one side of the equation – the ‘cost to industry’ side. Not the ‘benefits to society’ side.

Say you own a car and someone says ‘you should change oil at 5k miles, transmission fluid and antifreeze at 30k miles because your car will last longer and it’ll be cheaper.’

Do you say ‘are you nuts? Spend $175 every 30k miles? You’re costing me money!!!”

So you don’t do anything and the radiator or transmission fails and you have to spend lots of bucks on repairs. Way more than the maintenance costs.

So for a person who wants to keep their care 10, 15, 20 years, does the cost of the regulation cost more? Or does it save money in the long run?

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:50 pm

“You do not have to stand out in the street and point fingers”

But isn’t that what YOU just did?

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 26th, 2011
3:52 pm

“Fred: As far as I’m concerned, he did what Jay told him to. He couldn’t be respectful, so he left.”

Wrong, my yappy little tea cup poodle. And once again, you don’t get to speak for me.

I left because Jay Bookman is a two-faced enabler of the very policy he fails to control. He professes to provide a safe environment for bloggers but justifies the cyber-stalking of those he agrees with.

I left because I am tired of dealing with the permanent residents of the Children’s Table like you who cannot and will not discuss issues factually, logically or seriously.

Now go back to whatever childish point you might be making regarding any serious issues. If this blog veers into a subject I wish to opine about that is not of a serious nature, movies, tv, etc. I might pop in, but the majority of you are just not equipped to handle the serious political stuff.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:52 pm

Dusty — “We cannot sustain the notion that we can create Nirvana.”

Who ever had *that* notion?

“Sopmewhere with what is know as ‘common sense” we have to STOP and reconsider. Regulations are one of them.”

Piffle. Businesses have been complaining about government laws and regulations since there have been governments AND businesses. Do away with some regulations, and the businesses will be back for more later.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:53 pm

Doggone,

I saw this thing once that speculated that vampires were actually lepers (with some mutated strain of the disease)that had no pain responses and needed to drink blood to ease the effects of this particular strain of leprosy.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:53 pm

Paul – and what FAR too many people overlook is that regulations help to PROTECT businesses, by preventing them from engaging in practices that could lead to them losing a LOT more money to a lawsuit.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:54 pm

Bosche – interesting theory, but it doesn’t explain the association with bats like the other one does.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:55 pm

Bosch,

I was quoting you. You wrote it. If there is a liar, it must be you.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:56 pm

Wrong, my yappy little tea cup poodle. And once again, you don’t get to speak for me.

Oh ho ho! He returns! Still, my statement stands. 1) Can’t be respectful 2) Left. past tense, now, but still went away for a time.

And he’s still using an insult that makes no sense.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:57 pm

Dusty — “Would the athiests, agnostics, fall outs and others refrain from making rediculous statements about Christians?”

That depends. When are the theists going to stop making ridiculous statements and accusations about atheists?

“We understand that you have your own way of life and nobody is forcing you to follow ours.”

That’s not true, depending on where you live.

“So relax. Or you can come to church and discuss it without any discrimination. The invitation is always there for the gift that is given.”

I have a better idea. Why don’t YOU come to one of OUR meetings? The invitation is always there. You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that we need to be educated about your beliefs. Quite the contrary; atheists are often QUITE knowledgeable about theist beliefs and practices. More often, its the theists who have no clue about atheists and atheism.

“You do not have to stand out in the street and point fingers.”

I’ve never in my life picketed a theist church or function (and I don’t know any atheists who have), but I’ve definitely been picketed BY theists. Maybe your glasses are on backwards; in my experience, it’s the theists who are standing out in the street and pointing fingers.

“Come right on in.”

You first. ;)

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:58 pm

Doggone/GA

I don’t believe that’s in the approved talking points list….

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:58 pm

Dave R. — “the majority of you are just not equipped to handle the serious political stuff.”

“Wrong, my yappy little tea cup poodle.”

I’d like to present Exhibit A.

Common Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2011
3:58 pm

Y’all quit linking my name with anything to do with gov’t regulations
:-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

Paul, another example. Recently in GA there was a fight between the homebuilders and the fire marshals about regulations to require fire sprinkler systems in single family residences as they are in multifamily residents. The debate often focused on lives saved vs cost to install in new construction. And while it may be easy to say, let the home owner install them AFTER they buy, the cost to retrofit a home is much much higher. Further, most spec home builders will NOT install sprinkler systems in spec homes because the “safety” is not a competitive point between home builders, so without regulation, the systems will not be installed because of the failure of market forces.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

Adam

“And he’s still using an insult that makes no sense.”

Hate to break it to ya’, but it’s a term of endearment -

jm

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc – Yep. I’ve given more money to the DNC and Dem candidates than you can probably conceived. I’ve maxed out legal contributions. I almost maxed out on K. Reed.

So eat it. Obama has set an awful precedent for Democrats. Erskine Bowles himself is probably thinking of ditching Dems. The reality is the Dem party has drifted immensely left.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

“I was quoting you. You wrote it. If there is a liar, it must be you”

Oh, so now you are projecting lying onto me. As I asked you before, take your immoral self elsewhere away from me. I don’t associate with immoral people and would appreciate it if you would never address me again.

No, Dusty, the Liar. No where did I write that I hated it. If you want to go put words in someone’s mouth do it elsewhere.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:00 pm

PAUL

Changing oil and taking care of my car are not regulations. They are good suggestions.

Regulations are to be enforced. See the difference. Force or choice? One is independent. One is not.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:02 pm

oh the “principled” one citing principles in leaving the blog in a rant and rage as a protest can be compromised to come back to violate Jay’s call for respect.

Mmmm…. perhaps someone’s priniciples are merely poutrage and silliness.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:02 pm

Keep Up

Retrofit a sprinkler system in a home is an option? As Bosch would say “oh my freaking….”

I believe Calif has such a regulation for homes over 5,000 square feet. Not sure of the rationale for that square foot break is.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:02 pm

getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc – Yep. I’ve given more money to the DNC and Dem candidates than you can probably conceived.

Ok. Not really sure what your point is. Mostly, if not always, I try to argue or agree with something you’re saying, not you as a person.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Bill Clinton I could respect. The guy and his team were fiscal hawks.

Obama is the spendthrift wing of the Democratic party. And that’s not one I can sign up for.

I had reasonable expectations for the guy, I’m obviously not some left wingnut. I gave him enough to spend on a dinner for 8 at Bones. I voted for him. Mistake not to be repeated. In spades.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

jm,

I think you are under the delusion that I give a shyt about any of your activities. Because….I don’t.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Dusty

The concept was, cost to one entity vs long-term good to another entity and the cost of NOT having a regulation.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Seriously though can we stop with the “liar” crap. One is not a liar unless they lie all the freaking time.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Adam,

Yeah, wasn’t that like in the category of “Most Random Thing Ever?”

md

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Regulations?

Obviously there must be some that are problematic, or there wouldn’t need to be 800 pages of recently released reforms………………..

There are some that are just plain stupid and political……….and I’ll point to the limit on fees charged to deadbeat bank customers. Why should everybody be penalized because of the few??

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:04 pm

OK Bosch,

You loved every minute of care for your old folks

You just can’t tell the truth, can you? Don’t get mad with me. You wrote it. It’s yours.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:04 pm

Doggone,

Yeah, I kind of like your story better. :)

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:05 pm

md: I really don’t understand why you would oppose limits on bank fees.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:06 pm

“I think you are under the delusion that I give a shyt about any of your activities. Because….I don’t.”

Bosch, you’re under the illusion I’m talking to you, which I’m not.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:06 pm

Dusty,

Please stop your projections onto me, I’m asking you nicely, as a Christian.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:07 pm

jm,

Gee, when you put my name in the post, I assumed you were addressing me. :roll:

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:07 pm

Bosch is so sad a Dem defected. Now he’s pouting.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:07 pm

“getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc ”

Is there another Bosch here?

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

Where are the wind mills when you need them?

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

jm — “getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc – Yep. I’ve given more money to the DNC and Dem candidates than you can probably conceived. I’ve maxed out legal contributions. I almost maxed out on K. Reed.”

If you say so. I simply find it hard to believe.

“The reality is the Dem party has drifted immensely left.”

Ridiculous. The party’s gone far to the right; that’s why there’s a significant split between Obama and many of the more extreme left members of the House.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

Bosch, you make a lot of bad assumptions. They’re scattered all over this blog for the last 10 or 15 years or however long you’ve been coming here.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

md… perhaps you should pay attention to the abusive banking practices that led to those limitations or do you simply deny that banks were not abusive in how they charged fees?

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:09 pm

I’m going home. See you all later.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:10 pm

jm,

It’s more like I’m getting annoyed with you biting my ankles.

Can someone else pay him some of the attention he is so desperately craving? Kthx.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

“you make a lot of bad assumptions”

That’s rich coming from an ankle biter who has made about 10 about me today. :roll:

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

If Bosch is up to his civic duty…We would like Bosch to position himself on the Cape of Hatteras so all the hot air will deflect Irene to England.

Come on Bosch, we’re running out of hope here!

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

Joe Mama – well Jay can go look it up and verify it for you if you want, at least on Kasim.

As far as the party. Yes, Obama is having to straddle the independents (which he needs to win) and his liberal base (which he also needs). But that doesn’t mean the party hasn’t drifted left.

I laugh at the idea of Obama signing on to the Clinton enacted welfare reform act. Wouldn’t happen in a 1000 years. They guy is rudderless, or to the extent I can tell he has a rudder, its not the direction I prefer fiscally.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:12 pm

Joe Mama,

I don’t remember ever being invited to an athiest meeting. or even hearing of one. I did see an atheist on TV complaing about a prayer at a council meeting. He said he did not care but SOMEONE ELSE might. Ho hum. Was that you?

I don’t know what church has you so intimidated. I’ve never been in one like that. Does “In God we Trust” on various American legal papers also offend you?? It did not offend our founders.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:12 pm

moonbat betty,

Sorry, I’ve got plans this weekend! :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:13 pm

Paul, yes it is possible to retrofit existing housing, just far from cheap unless you have the walls opened already. As for the 5k ft break, not sure of the exact reasons for that one. It may be the jurisdiction or it may be related to the size of home and having a fire break out in an unoccupied room is more likely.

But the fact is that the legislature heard from a number of groups including the fire sprinkler associations, the fire marshals and the homebuilders before deciding on legislation. The one group that was not represented directly, consumers.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
4:13 pm

Shucks Dave R missed us and could not stay away!

(either that or he has self control issues)

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:14 pm

Dusty,

Our Founding Fathers lived prior to 1956, in case you didn’t know that.

md

August 26th, 2011
4:14 pm

“md: I really don’t understand why you would oppose limits on bank fees.”

Because there is no such thing…………..now, the fees are just shifted to others to cover those that aren’t paying………as much askkeep is outraged about bank practices, I’m equally outraged about my fees being raised to cover what they fail to pay………..

Some folks might like to pay for others in this instance, but I’m not one of them…….maybe Keep can sign a form to pay more for the rest of us……………..

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
4:16 pm

Joe Mama, “Snake Juggler” is, I suppose public property. I ‘nicked it from a surly, but very erudite tatto artist on Buford Highway, back in the 90’s. Bosch, either a band, or one who is “master of his domain” (with very high self-esteem, of course)

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:16 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – well Jay can go look it up and verify it for you if you want, at least on Kasim.”

I see no need to go to those lengths. As I said, I simply find it hard to believe. However, I have no evidence to the contrary.

“As far as the party. Yes, Obama is having to straddle the independents (which he needs to win) and his liberal base (which he also needs). But that doesn’t mean the party hasn’t drifted left.”

Doesn’t mean it *has,* either. He didn’t even *try* to advance single-payer healthcare. He dragged his feet on bringing troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan. He got us involved in Libya. He’s doing quite a few things that are upsetting and frustrating to his base.

“I laugh at the idea of Obama signing on to the Clinton enacted welfare reform act. Wouldn’t happen in a 1000 years. They guy is rudderless, or to the extent I can tell he has a rudder, its not the direction I prefer fiscally.”

He does seem aimless at times. But, as my wife says, “better half a friend than an outright enemy.”

md

August 26th, 2011
4:16 pm

“perhaps you should pay attention to the abusive banking practices that led to those limitations or do you simply deny that banks were not abusive in how they charged fees?”

Bad credit has a price………or should it be equal to those that have good credit?

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
4:18 pm

Dusty, you are aware that “In God We Trust” is not our national motto (E Pluribus Unum) – from many, one is. I believe In God We Trust was added to our currency about the same time “One Nation Under God” was added to the Pledge.

md

August 26th, 2011
4:18 pm

As for sprinkler systems………ever had to maintain a water suppression system?

Ever seen the damage caused by one from a too cold Ga winter??

Witnessed how some homeowners are clueless about changing an a/c filter??

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:20 pm

Joe Mama – the left is upset about what would never have passed

“He didn’t even *try* to advance single-payer healthcare. ” Never woulda happened or passed. The frankenstein we got was challenging enough to pass.

As far as the wars, yeah they suck, they’ve been expensive, everybody wants them over with, just at different speeds.

Anyone who is focused on anything other than jobs, the economy, and by definition the fiscal balance of our government is whistling into the wind of a hurricane.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:20 pm

Joe the Plutocrat,

The year was 1956, way long after the Founders were eaten by worms in the ground.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:22 pm

Keep Up

“The one group that was not represented directly, consumers.”

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

And please, don’t answer that -

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:22 pm

md,

Heard a story on NPR this weekend about a couple who was getting married and they couldn’t get a bank loan because the guy had never had a credit card, never paid anything but cash for anything he ever bought, and because of that he had “no” credit, and they equate that to bad credit.

How screwy is that?

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:24 pm

Dusty — “Joe Mama, I don’t remember ever being invited to an athiest meeting.”

Well, you *just* were. Scroll up. Did you forget that already? :D

“or even hearing of one.”

That seems to suggest to me that you might not know as much about us as you think. ;)

“I did see an atheist on TV complaing about a prayer at a council meeting. He said he did not care but SOMEONE ELSE might. Ho hum. Was that you?”

I’ve never appeared on TV (AFAIK) discussing any atheist causes.

Many atheists feel like that fellow does, but a significant number of us think that theist prayer, particularly sectarian prayer, has no place in governmental function. It gives some of our more edgy number the notion that their beliefs will be held against them or used against them in some way. FWIW, I’ve sat on local juries twice in the last 20 years, and I’ve never been required to swear on a bible or anything like that.

“I don’t know what church has you so intimidated.”

What makes you think I’m intimidated by anything to do with church? I’ve been in many of them.

“I’ve never been in one like that.”

Neither have I. I don’t know where you get then notion that I’m intimidated in any way by theism.

“Does “In God we Trust” on various American legal papers also offend you??”

Nope, though I don’t think it should be there. Besides, our national motto is “E Pluribus Unum,” not IGWT. But all that being said, I don’t think it’s necessary to spend a lot of money reissuing coinage and currency to get rid of it; slowly eliminating IGWT from it as new coins and bills are issued will do just fine.

“It did not offend our founders.”

And it doesn’t offend me, either. But I don’t think it needs to be there.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:24 pm

Bosch

“Our Founding Fathers lived prior to 1956, in case you didn’t know that.”

And they were all Republicans, did you know that ?

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:26 pm

“Heard a story on NPR this weekend about a couple who was getting married and they couldn’t get a bank loan”

And liberals on MSNBC and elsewhere keep claiming we’re awash in cash and credit and liberals say none of their regulations are hurting banking. Despite bold faced evidence to the contrary staring them in the face. The blindness of liberals defies logic.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:30 pm

jm

Do you have a cite that lays responsibility for lending institutions not providing loans to people with no credit history, or who have a clean record and 30 percent to put down?

Or could it be due to the lending institutions’ own policies?

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:30 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – the left is upset about what would never have passed”

I agree, but there are a lot of ppl on the left — mostly younger men and women — who are mightily upset that he didn’t even try. I’ve tried to explain the value of incrementalism to them (something that conservatives understand well), but they just don’t want to hear it. They want it ALL right NOW.

“Never woulda happened or passed. The frankenstein we got was challenging enough to pass.”

I agree, but as I said, he didn’t even *try* and that’s what’s got them upset.

“As far as the wars, yeah they suck, they’ve been expensive, everybody wants them over with, just at different speeds.”

I’m troubled that more people on the Republican side don’t even recognize that the wars were run off budget under Bush — and therefore represented deficit spending. It seems to me that *that* sort of deficit spending is somehow invisible to them.

“Anyone who is focused on anything other than jobs, the economy, and by definition the fiscal balance of our government is whistling into the wind of a hurricane.”

I’m interested in more cuts, but we need to arrange for more revenue, too. I’ve asked several people on this board if they could get behind revenue increases (e.g. tax hikes) if it were required that the additional revenue could ONLY be spent to reduce outstanding debt — no putting it toward new programs or other existing ones. What would you say to something like that?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:33 pm

md…so abusive bank practices were only occuring on those with bad credit? Or perhaps some of the practices created situations which resulted in bad credit?

As for sprinkler systems, your complaint is to address one small portion of one side (without evidence of frequency or dollar costs) and say “Bad!” Really?

md

August 26th, 2011
4:34 pm

Bosch……..same goes for the self-employed and their proof of income requirements…….

Or the way hc used to be concerning “group” policies…………….

I had all my kids open credit cards early in life……….charge something small……pay it off……put it in the drawer……………..sometimes it’s about playing the game. And life is full of games………….

md

August 26th, 2011
4:42 pm

Keep………I’ve witnessed an abundance of unkempt systems in homes……used to do it for a living. Throwing in sprinkler systems would be a very costly addition………….not only on the front end, but throughout it’s life span.

I’d hazard a guess the sprinkler companies that would have made a fortune would like the idea, but the insurance companies would have to give a credit for fire suppression and a deduction for possible massive water damage.

That kind of pressure is probably not an ideal situation for the average homeowner.

Now, you want to discuss some form of dry system that isn’t too complicated, I’m all ears.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:43 pm

Hmmm… right md. Because the practice of a bank that with an account with $1000 in it that receives a check for $1010 and $600 on the same day (we can skip for now how that might happen in error) but intentionally processess the $1010 check first so that it can charge a fee on both checks and some other fees is not abusive….. you are disconnected from the reality of banking practices

Perhaps the lenders who pushed qualified prime mortgage loan customers into costilier subprime loans to make more fees was not abusive?

Robosigning? MERS? not abusive I am sure :roll:

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:46 pm

md,

Good idea! Alrighty folks pleasant weekend………

………….it’s porch time!!

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:48 pm

Joe Mama 4:30 – sounds like we share some common ground, even if it isn’t huge.

(on your note of having new taxes only to pay down debt: nice idea. i would agree. there is no way legally or functionally to do that. congress has complete discretion of what it wants to do, meaning its a slush fund. if you want the debt to get paid down, the only hope is a reasonably constructed balanced budget amendment)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:49 pm

Again, md, you have only mentioned one portion of one side. Fortunately in making regulations others are able to present their side and to determine whether the regulation is justified from cost v benefit.

But you should be very happy. Regulators listened to the homebuilders and the sprinkler requirement was not enacted. So the regulations were not enacted in consideration of costs. Thus a demonstration that regulators do pay attention to costs and weigh against the benefits. Not all regulations are bad.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:49 pm

Joe Mama – have a good weekend, I’m really out now for a while

(liberals clapping, celebrating) :)

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:49 pm

Well, Joe Mama.. I know very little about atheists. My dictionary does give me definitions as follows:

atheist-one who denies the existence of a Deity or divine human beings.

agnostic-one who believes that it is impossible to know anything about God or the creation of the universe.

infidel-means an unbeliever . especially a non believer in Mohammedanism or Christianity

skeptic- doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrine and creeds.

Well, none of those suit me in any way. I guess I won’t come to your meeting. Thanks, anyway.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:51 pm

“The blindness of liberals defies logic”

Well, at least most of us liberals are perfectly capable of not posting hyperbolic irrelevant random posts that have nothing to do with the topic they are claiming.

I mean what is all that MSNBC and liberals and credit blah, blah, nonsense have to do with my post to md?

md

August 26th, 2011
4:57 pm

“you are disconnected from the reality of banking practices”

Doubt it………I’m quite connected on how they work….internally.

I’m not saying they didn’t necessarily need tweaking……….I’m saying the knee jerk reaction that shifts the burden to others is the problem…………

And throwing out other obvious situations of bad behavior is not relevant to the discussion…….nobody is arguing to remove all regulations.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
5:03 pm

jm — “Joe Mama 4:30 – sounds like we share some common ground, even if it isn’t huge.”

As I said, I voted Republican (and Libertarian, and for Perot in ‘92) for over 20 years. I’m not ignorant of what conservatives want and how they go about getting it.

The only way we’re going to come up with a durable and workable long-term solution to our budget and deficit problems is for both sides to TRY to trust each other and for both sides to TRY to meet in the middle so that a solution is developed that everyone can tolerate.

md

August 26th, 2011
5:05 pm

“The only way we’re going to come up with a durable and workable long-term solution to our budget and deficit problems is for both sides to TRY to trust each other and for both sides to TRY to meet in the middle so that a solution is developed that everyone can tolerate.”

Sadly, the budget commission did just that…….and both sides threw them under the bus…………..

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
5:09 pm

Dusty — “Well, Joe Mama.. I know very little about atheists. My dictionary does give me definitions as follows:”

I’d venture to say that a dictionary definition doesn’t do justice to most people, concepts of things. Read the definition for “elephant” and see if it paints an accurate picture of one. :)

“Well, none of those suit me in any way. I guess I won’t come to your meeting. Thanks, anyway.”

Your loss, Ma’am. :)

However, if you ever have any interest in knowing more about us, feel free to ask (even if you don’t want to visit one of our meetings). I certainly can’t speak for all atheists (we don’t have any sort of scripture or orthodoxy), but I think I can give you some of the range of atheist opinion and reasoning on many topics.

I can assure you that we’re not all covered with hair, we generally practice good dental health and that we work, pay taxes and like to have a good time as much as any theist does. We just differ with you on the How We All Got Here and on the What We’re All Doing Here stories.

FWIW, if I *were* religious, I’d likely be Buddhist, though they don’t believe in a deity as such, either. But I have too much temper and attitude to make a very good one.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
5:10 pm

md — “Sadly, the budget commission did just that…….and both sides threw them under the bus…………”

I know. Neither side is doing much trying right now, I’m afraid. :(

Common Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2011
5:16 pm

yep it’s difficult to be optimistic when neither side will compromise

Adam

August 26th, 2011
5:43 pm

md: What fees of yours have been raised exactly? Besides that, if the banks wanted to not be regulated, they could have CHOSEN not to do bad lending and credit, but apparently they CHOSE otherwise. Now they are reaping the consequences of being clamped down on, because after the economy tanked they CHOSE to try to get as much money out of the poor as they could (living with the idea that the rich will b*tch their way out of it and have lawyers to back it up). The fact is, if you put lots of fees on poor people, you still end up not getting paid because they don’t have it. Shouldn’t lend to them in the first place. That’s a CHOICE.

md

August 26th, 2011
5:55 pm

“The fact is, if you put lots of fees on poor people, you still end up not getting paid because they don’t have it. Shouldn’t lend to them in the first place. That’s a CHOICE.”

Yes Adam… it is. And I bet they will choose to not make that loan in the future……then uncle sugar will not be pleased because “those folks” have no access to money…………

In the mean time Adam…….you and I have OUR fees raised to pay what they didn’t……….the new debit card fees being rolled out are in direct response to this situation……..now we get to choose whether we stay with our current banks or tell them to shove it………

BADA BING

August 26th, 2011
6:06 pm

Just watch…..the idiot ,die hards who won’t evacuate will be trapped and starving, and will blame evertbody else for their problems. Just like NO.

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gm

August 26th, 2011
7:12 pm

Hey are you government workers stop working around the clock to save these hypocrites of the tea party, amazing those idiots of tea party people are going to be the first one out with their hand out for the government.

Oh but wait, let Rick Perry the government hypocrite come and save you”’
Now once you idiots receive your check for the damage please give it back to Uncle Sam, this is God way of exposing these white conservatives rep hypocrites””””’

Adam

August 26th, 2011
11:19 pm

No debit card fee on my end….

Lee

August 27th, 2011
3:22 pm

“Even if the “best case” occurs, I believe the damage may be north of $10 billion.”

No problemo. Obama can print that in 30 minutes.