Hurricane Irene intent on exacting a toll

A satellite image is worth a thousand words.

irene

Governors of five states have already declared a state of emergency. And as Nate Silver warns in the New York Times, after assessing the history of hurricanes making landfall in the Northeast:

“Apart from the inevitable loss of life in the most densely populated part of the country, history suggests that the economic damage could run into the tens of billions of dollars, depending on the severity of the storm and how close it comes to the city. Unlikely but theoretically plausible scenarios could have the damage entering the realm of the costliest natural disasters of all time, and perhaps being large enough to have a materially negative effect on the nation’s gross domestic product.”

A sobering if not downright frightening assessment of possible damage is offered by meteorologist Mike Smith here. “The damage potential is huge,” he writes. “Even if the “best case” occurs, I believe the damage may be north of $10 billion.”

He also notes that on its current path, Irene will hit New York City with ground-level winds of 70 to 90 mph. “However, above about the 20th story of buildings, winds will gust well above 100 mph.”

– Jay Bookman

389 comments Add your comment

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:49 pm

Would the athiests, agnostics, fall outs and others refrain from making rediculous statements about Christians?

We understand that you have your own way of life and nobody is forcing you to follow ours. So relax. Or you can come to church and discuss it without any discrimination. The invitation is always there for the gift that is given.

You do not have to stand out in the street and point fingers. Come right on in.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
3:49 pm

Love y’all…
have a great weekend…and if you do practice symbolic cannibalism, do it with your mate… ;)

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:50 pm

Bosch

“Good grief, a simple yes or no would have sufficed.”

From me? Are you kidding?!!?

Dusty

I took a look at Kyle’s colum. I don’t think Kyle ever read the US Code or Executive Orders or OMB directives regarding regulations.

It appears you’re looking at only one side of the equation – the ‘cost to industry’ side. Not the ‘benefits to society’ side.

Say you own a car and someone says ‘you should change oil at 5k miles, transmission fluid and antifreeze at 30k miles because your car will last longer and it’ll be cheaper.’

Do you say ‘are you nuts? Spend $175 every 30k miles? You’re costing me money!!!”

So you don’t do anything and the radiator or transmission fails and you have to spend lots of bucks on repairs. Way more than the maintenance costs.

So for a person who wants to keep their care 10, 15, 20 years, does the cost of the regulation cost more? Or does it save money in the long run?

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:50 pm

“You do not have to stand out in the street and point fingers”

But isn’t that what YOU just did?

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 26th, 2011
3:52 pm

“Fred: As far as I’m concerned, he did what Jay told him to. He couldn’t be respectful, so he left.”

Wrong, my yappy little tea cup poodle. And once again, you don’t get to speak for me.

I left because Jay Bookman is a two-faced enabler of the very policy he fails to control. He professes to provide a safe environment for bloggers but justifies the cyber-stalking of those he agrees with.

I left because I am tired of dealing with the permanent residents of the Children’s Table like you who cannot and will not discuss issues factually, logically or seriously.

Now go back to whatever childish point you might be making regarding any serious issues. If this blog veers into a subject I wish to opine about that is not of a serious nature, movies, tv, etc. I might pop in, but the majority of you are just not equipped to handle the serious political stuff.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:52 pm

Dusty — “We cannot sustain the notion that we can create Nirvana.”

Who ever had *that* notion?

“Sopmewhere with what is know as ‘common sense” we have to STOP and reconsider. Regulations are one of them.”

Piffle. Businesses have been complaining about government laws and regulations since there have been governments AND businesses. Do away with some regulations, and the businesses will be back for more later.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:53 pm

Doggone,

I saw this thing once that speculated that vampires were actually lepers (with some mutated strain of the disease)that had no pain responses and needed to drink blood to ease the effects of this particular strain of leprosy.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:53 pm

Paul – and what FAR too many people overlook is that regulations help to PROTECT businesses, by preventing them from engaging in practices that could lead to them losing a LOT more money to a lawsuit.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
3:54 pm

Bosche – interesting theory, but it doesn’t explain the association with bats like the other one does.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
3:55 pm

Bosch,

I was quoting you. You wrote it. If there is a liar, it must be you.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
3:56 pm

Wrong, my yappy little tea cup poodle. And once again, you don’t get to speak for me.

Oh ho ho! He returns! Still, my statement stands. 1) Can’t be respectful 2) Left. past tense, now, but still went away for a time.

And he’s still using an insult that makes no sense.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:57 pm

Dusty — “Would the athiests, agnostics, fall outs and others refrain from making rediculous statements about Christians?”

That depends. When are the theists going to stop making ridiculous statements and accusations about atheists?

“We understand that you have your own way of life and nobody is forcing you to follow ours.”

That’s not true, depending on where you live.

“So relax. Or you can come to church and discuss it without any discrimination. The invitation is always there for the gift that is given.”

I have a better idea. Why don’t YOU come to one of OUR meetings? The invitation is always there. You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that we need to be educated about your beliefs. Quite the contrary; atheists are often QUITE knowledgeable about theist beliefs and practices. More often, its the theists who have no clue about atheists and atheism.

“You do not have to stand out in the street and point fingers.”

I’ve never in my life picketed a theist church or function (and I don’t know any atheists who have), but I’ve definitely been picketed BY theists. Maybe your glasses are on backwards; in my experience, it’s the theists who are standing out in the street and pointing fingers.

“Come right on in.”

You first. ;)

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:58 pm

Doggone/GA

I don’t believe that’s in the approved talking points list….

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
3:58 pm

Dave R. — “the majority of you are just not equipped to handle the serious political stuff.”

“Wrong, my yappy little tea cup poodle.”

I’d like to present Exhibit A.

Common Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2011
3:58 pm

Y’all quit linking my name with anything to do with gov’t regulations
:-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

Paul, another example. Recently in GA there was a fight between the homebuilders and the fire marshals about regulations to require fire sprinkler systems in single family residences as they are in multifamily residents. The debate often focused on lives saved vs cost to install in new construction. And while it may be easy to say, let the home owner install them AFTER they buy, the cost to retrofit a home is much much higher. Further, most spec home builders will NOT install sprinkler systems in spec homes because the “safety” is not a competitive point between home builders, so without regulation, the systems will not be installed because of the failure of market forces.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

Adam

“And he’s still using an insult that makes no sense.”

Hate to break it to ya’, but it’s a term of endearment -

jm

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc – Yep. I’ve given more money to the DNC and Dem candidates than you can probably conceived. I’ve maxed out legal contributions. I almost maxed out on K. Reed.

So eat it. Obama has set an awful precedent for Democrats. Erskine Bowles himself is probably thinking of ditching Dems. The reality is the Dem party has drifted immensely left.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
3:59 pm

“I was quoting you. You wrote it. If there is a liar, it must be you”

Oh, so now you are projecting lying onto me. As I asked you before, take your immoral self elsewhere away from me. I don’t associate with immoral people and would appreciate it if you would never address me again.

No, Dusty, the Liar. No where did I write that I hated it. If you want to go put words in someone’s mouth do it elsewhere.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:00 pm

PAUL

Changing oil and taking care of my car are not regulations. They are good suggestions.

Regulations are to be enforced. See the difference. Force or choice? One is independent. One is not.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:02 pm

oh the “principled” one citing principles in leaving the blog in a rant and rage as a protest can be compromised to come back to violate Jay’s call for respect.

Mmmm…. perhaps someone’s priniciples are merely poutrage and silliness.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:02 pm

Keep Up

Retrofit a sprinkler system in a home is an option? As Bosch would say “oh my freaking….”

I believe Calif has such a regulation for homes over 5,000 square feet. Not sure of the rationale for that square foot break is.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:02 pm

getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc – Yep. I’ve given more money to the DNC and Dem candidates than you can probably conceived.

Ok. Not really sure what your point is. Mostly, if not always, I try to argue or agree with something you’re saying, not you as a person.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Bill Clinton I could respect. The guy and his team were fiscal hawks.

Obama is the spendthrift wing of the Democratic party. And that’s not one I can sign up for.

I had reasonable expectations for the guy, I’m obviously not some left wingnut. I gave him enough to spend on a dinner for 8 at Bones. I voted for him. Mistake not to be repeated. In spades.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

jm,

I think you are under the delusion that I give a shyt about any of your activities. Because….I don’t.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Dusty

The concept was, cost to one entity vs long-term good to another entity and the cost of NOT having a regulation.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Seriously though can we stop with the “liar” crap. One is not a liar unless they lie all the freaking time.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Adam,

Yeah, wasn’t that like in the category of “Most Random Thing Ever?”

md

August 26th, 2011
4:03 pm

Regulations?

Obviously there must be some that are problematic, or there wouldn’t need to be 800 pages of recently released reforms………………..

There are some that are just plain stupid and political……….and I’ll point to the limit on fees charged to deadbeat bank customers. Why should everybody be penalized because of the few??

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:04 pm

OK Bosch,

You loved every minute of care for your old folks

You just can’t tell the truth, can you? Don’t get mad with me. You wrote it. It’s yours.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:04 pm

Doggone,

Yeah, I kind of like your story better. :)

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:05 pm

md: I really don’t understand why you would oppose limits on bank fees.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:06 pm

“I think you are under the delusion that I give a shyt about any of your activities. Because….I don’t.”

Bosch, you’re under the illusion I’m talking to you, which I’m not.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:06 pm

Dusty,

Please stop your projections onto me, I’m asking you nicely, as a Christian.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:07 pm

jm,

Gee, when you put my name in the post, I assumed you were addressing me. :roll:

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:07 pm

Bosch is so sad a Dem defected. Now he’s pouting.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:07 pm

“getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc ”

Is there another Bosch here?

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

Where are the wind mills when you need them?

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

jm — “getalife Adam Joe Mama Bosch etc – Yep. I’ve given more money to the DNC and Dem candidates than you can probably conceived. I’ve maxed out legal contributions. I almost maxed out on K. Reed.”

If you say so. I simply find it hard to believe.

“The reality is the Dem party has drifted immensely left.”

Ridiculous. The party’s gone far to the right; that’s why there’s a significant split between Obama and many of the more extreme left members of the House.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

Bosch, you make a lot of bad assumptions. They’re scattered all over this blog for the last 10 or 15 years or however long you’ve been coming here.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:08 pm

md… perhaps you should pay attention to the abusive banking practices that led to those limitations or do you simply deny that banks were not abusive in how they charged fees?

Adam

August 26th, 2011
4:09 pm

I’m going home. See you all later.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:10 pm

jm,

It’s more like I’m getting annoyed with you biting my ankles.

Can someone else pay him some of the attention he is so desperately craving? Kthx.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

“you make a lot of bad assumptions”

That’s rich coming from an ankle biter who has made about 10 about me today. :roll:

moonbat betty (hurrican czar)

August 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

If Bosch is up to his civic duty…We would like Bosch to position himself on the Cape of Hatteras so all the hot air will deflect Irene to England.

Come on Bosch, we’re running out of hope here!

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

Joe Mama – well Jay can go look it up and verify it for you if you want, at least on Kasim.

As far as the party. Yes, Obama is having to straddle the independents (which he needs to win) and his liberal base (which he also needs). But that doesn’t mean the party hasn’t drifted left.

I laugh at the idea of Obama signing on to the Clinton enacted welfare reform act. Wouldn’t happen in a 1000 years. They guy is rudderless, or to the extent I can tell he has a rudder, its not the direction I prefer fiscally.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:12 pm

Joe Mama,

I don’t remember ever being invited to an athiest meeting. or even hearing of one. I did see an atheist on TV complaing about a prayer at a council meeting. He said he did not care but SOMEONE ELSE might. Ho hum. Was that you?

I don’t know what church has you so intimidated. I’ve never been in one like that. Does “In God we Trust” on various American legal papers also offend you?? It did not offend our founders.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:12 pm

moonbat betty,

Sorry, I’ve got plans this weekend! :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:13 pm

Paul, yes it is possible to retrofit existing housing, just far from cheap unless you have the walls opened already. As for the 5k ft break, not sure of the exact reasons for that one. It may be the jurisdiction or it may be related to the size of home and having a fire break out in an unoccupied room is more likely.

But the fact is that the legislature heard from a number of groups including the fire sprinkler associations, the fire marshals and the homebuilders before deciding on legislation. The one group that was not represented directly, consumers.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
4:13 pm

Shucks Dave R missed us and could not stay away!

(either that or he has self control issues)

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:14 pm

Dusty,

Our Founding Fathers lived prior to 1956, in case you didn’t know that.

md

August 26th, 2011
4:14 pm

“md: I really don’t understand why you would oppose limits on bank fees.”

Because there is no such thing…………..now, the fees are just shifted to others to cover those that aren’t paying………as much askkeep is outraged about bank practices, I’m equally outraged about my fees being raised to cover what they fail to pay………..

Some folks might like to pay for others in this instance, but I’m not one of them…….maybe Keep can sign a form to pay more for the rest of us……………..

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
4:16 pm

Joe Mama, “Snake Juggler” is, I suppose public property. I ‘nicked it from a surly, but very erudite tatto artist on Buford Highway, back in the 90’s. Bosch, either a band, or one who is “master of his domain” (with very high self-esteem, of course)

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:16 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – well Jay can go look it up and verify it for you if you want, at least on Kasim.”

I see no need to go to those lengths. As I said, I simply find it hard to believe. However, I have no evidence to the contrary.

“As far as the party. Yes, Obama is having to straddle the independents (which he needs to win) and his liberal base (which he also needs). But that doesn’t mean the party hasn’t drifted left.”

Doesn’t mean it *has,* either. He didn’t even *try* to advance single-payer healthcare. He dragged his feet on bringing troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan. He got us involved in Libya. He’s doing quite a few things that are upsetting and frustrating to his base.

“I laugh at the idea of Obama signing on to the Clinton enacted welfare reform act. Wouldn’t happen in a 1000 years. They guy is rudderless, or to the extent I can tell he has a rudder, its not the direction I prefer fiscally.”

He does seem aimless at times. But, as my wife says, “better half a friend than an outright enemy.”

md

August 26th, 2011
4:16 pm

“perhaps you should pay attention to the abusive banking practices that led to those limitations or do you simply deny that banks were not abusive in how they charged fees?”

Bad credit has a price………or should it be equal to those that have good credit?

Joe the Plutocrat

August 26th, 2011
4:18 pm

Dusty, you are aware that “In God We Trust” is not our national motto (E Pluribus Unum) – from many, one is. I believe In God We Trust was added to our currency about the same time “One Nation Under God” was added to the Pledge.

md

August 26th, 2011
4:18 pm

As for sprinkler systems………ever had to maintain a water suppression system?

Ever seen the damage caused by one from a too cold Ga winter??

Witnessed how some homeowners are clueless about changing an a/c filter??

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:20 pm

Joe Mama – the left is upset about what would never have passed

“He didn’t even *try* to advance single-payer healthcare. ” Never woulda happened or passed. The frankenstein we got was challenging enough to pass.

As far as the wars, yeah they suck, they’ve been expensive, everybody wants them over with, just at different speeds.

Anyone who is focused on anything other than jobs, the economy, and by definition the fiscal balance of our government is whistling into the wind of a hurricane.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:20 pm

Joe the Plutocrat,

The year was 1956, way long after the Founders were eaten by worms in the ground.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:22 pm

Keep Up

“The one group that was not represented directly, consumers.”

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

And please, don’t answer that -

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:22 pm

md,

Heard a story on NPR this weekend about a couple who was getting married and they couldn’t get a bank loan because the guy had never had a credit card, never paid anything but cash for anything he ever bought, and because of that he had “no” credit, and they equate that to bad credit.

How screwy is that?

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:24 pm

Dusty — “Joe Mama, I don’t remember ever being invited to an athiest meeting.”

Well, you *just* were. Scroll up. Did you forget that already? :D

“or even hearing of one.”

That seems to suggest to me that you might not know as much about us as you think. ;)

“I did see an atheist on TV complaing about a prayer at a council meeting. He said he did not care but SOMEONE ELSE might. Ho hum. Was that you?”

I’ve never appeared on TV (AFAIK) discussing any atheist causes.

Many atheists feel like that fellow does, but a significant number of us think that theist prayer, particularly sectarian prayer, has no place in governmental function. It gives some of our more edgy number the notion that their beliefs will be held against them or used against them in some way. FWIW, I’ve sat on local juries twice in the last 20 years, and I’ve never been required to swear on a bible or anything like that.

“I don’t know what church has you so intimidated.”

What makes you think I’m intimidated by anything to do with church? I’ve been in many of them.

“I’ve never been in one like that.”

Neither have I. I don’t know where you get then notion that I’m intimidated in any way by theism.

“Does “In God we Trust” on various American legal papers also offend you??”

Nope, though I don’t think it should be there. Besides, our national motto is “E Pluribus Unum,” not IGWT. But all that being said, I don’t think it’s necessary to spend a lot of money reissuing coinage and currency to get rid of it; slowly eliminating IGWT from it as new coins and bills are issued will do just fine.

“It did not offend our founders.”

And it doesn’t offend me, either. But I don’t think it needs to be there.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:24 pm

Bosch

“Our Founding Fathers lived prior to 1956, in case you didn’t know that.”

And they were all Republicans, did you know that ?

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:26 pm

“Heard a story on NPR this weekend about a couple who was getting married and they couldn’t get a bank loan”

And liberals on MSNBC and elsewhere keep claiming we’re awash in cash and credit and liberals say none of their regulations are hurting banking. Despite bold faced evidence to the contrary staring them in the face. The blindness of liberals defies logic.

Paul

August 26th, 2011
4:30 pm

jm

Do you have a cite that lays responsibility for lending institutions not providing loans to people with no credit history, or who have a clean record and 30 percent to put down?

Or could it be due to the lending institutions’ own policies?

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
4:30 pm

jm — “Joe Mama – the left is upset about what would never have passed”

I agree, but there are a lot of ppl on the left — mostly younger men and women — who are mightily upset that he didn’t even try. I’ve tried to explain the value of incrementalism to them (something that conservatives understand well), but they just don’t want to hear it. They want it ALL right NOW.

“Never woulda happened or passed. The frankenstein we got was challenging enough to pass.”

I agree, but as I said, he didn’t even *try* and that’s what’s got them upset.

“As far as the wars, yeah they suck, they’ve been expensive, everybody wants them over with, just at different speeds.”

I’m troubled that more people on the Republican side don’t even recognize that the wars were run off budget under Bush — and therefore represented deficit spending. It seems to me that *that* sort of deficit spending is somehow invisible to them.

“Anyone who is focused on anything other than jobs, the economy, and by definition the fiscal balance of our government is whistling into the wind of a hurricane.”

I’m interested in more cuts, but we need to arrange for more revenue, too. I’ve asked several people on this board if they could get behind revenue increases (e.g. tax hikes) if it were required that the additional revenue could ONLY be spent to reduce outstanding debt — no putting it toward new programs or other existing ones. What would you say to something like that?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:33 pm

md…so abusive bank practices were only occuring on those with bad credit? Or perhaps some of the practices created situations which resulted in bad credit?

As for sprinkler systems, your complaint is to address one small portion of one side (without evidence of frequency or dollar costs) and say “Bad!” Really?

md

August 26th, 2011
4:34 pm

Bosch……..same goes for the self-employed and their proof of income requirements…….

Or the way hc used to be concerning “group” policies…………….

I had all my kids open credit cards early in life……….charge something small……pay it off……put it in the drawer……………..sometimes it’s about playing the game. And life is full of games………….

md

August 26th, 2011
4:42 pm

Keep………I’ve witnessed an abundance of unkempt systems in homes……used to do it for a living. Throwing in sprinkler systems would be a very costly addition………….not only on the front end, but throughout it’s life span.

I’d hazard a guess the sprinkler companies that would have made a fortune would like the idea, but the insurance companies would have to give a credit for fire suppression and a deduction for possible massive water damage.

That kind of pressure is probably not an ideal situation for the average homeowner.

Now, you want to discuss some form of dry system that isn’t too complicated, I’m all ears.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:43 pm

Hmmm… right md. Because the practice of a bank that with an account with $1000 in it that receives a check for $1010 and $600 on the same day (we can skip for now how that might happen in error) but intentionally processess the $1010 check first so that it can charge a fee on both checks and some other fees is not abusive….. you are disconnected from the reality of banking practices

Perhaps the lenders who pushed qualified prime mortgage loan customers into costilier subprime loans to make more fees was not abusive?

Robosigning? MERS? not abusive I am sure :roll:

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:46 pm

md,

Good idea! Alrighty folks pleasant weekend………

………….it’s porch time!!

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:48 pm

Joe Mama 4:30 – sounds like we share some common ground, even if it isn’t huge.

(on your note of having new taxes only to pay down debt: nice idea. i would agree. there is no way legally or functionally to do that. congress has complete discretion of what it wants to do, meaning its a slush fund. if you want the debt to get paid down, the only hope is a reasonably constructed balanced budget amendment)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 26th, 2011
4:49 pm

Again, md, you have only mentioned one portion of one side. Fortunately in making regulations others are able to present their side and to determine whether the regulation is justified from cost v benefit.

But you should be very happy. Regulators listened to the homebuilders and the sprinkler requirement was not enacted. So the regulations were not enacted in consideration of costs. Thus a demonstration that regulators do pay attention to costs and weigh against the benefits. Not all regulations are bad.

jm

August 26th, 2011
4:49 pm

Joe Mama – have a good weekend, I’m really out now for a while

(liberals clapping, celebrating) :)

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
4:49 pm

Well, Joe Mama.. I know very little about atheists. My dictionary does give me definitions as follows:

atheist-one who denies the existence of a Deity or divine human beings.

agnostic-one who believes that it is impossible to know anything about God or the creation of the universe.

infidel-means an unbeliever . especially a non believer in Mohammedanism or Christianity

skeptic- doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrine and creeds.

Well, none of those suit me in any way. I guess I won’t come to your meeting. Thanks, anyway.

Bosch

August 26th, 2011
4:51 pm

“The blindness of liberals defies logic”

Well, at least most of us liberals are perfectly capable of not posting hyperbolic irrelevant random posts that have nothing to do with the topic they are claiming.

I mean what is all that MSNBC and liberals and credit blah, blah, nonsense have to do with my post to md?

md

August 26th, 2011
4:57 pm

“you are disconnected from the reality of banking practices”

Doubt it………I’m quite connected on how they work….internally.

I’m not saying they didn’t necessarily need tweaking……….I’m saying the knee jerk reaction that shifts the burden to others is the problem…………

And throwing out other obvious situations of bad behavior is not relevant to the discussion…….nobody is arguing to remove all regulations.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
5:03 pm

jm — “Joe Mama 4:30 – sounds like we share some common ground, even if it isn’t huge.”

As I said, I voted Republican (and Libertarian, and for Perot in ‘92) for over 20 years. I’m not ignorant of what conservatives want and how they go about getting it.

The only way we’re going to come up with a durable and workable long-term solution to our budget and deficit problems is for both sides to TRY to trust each other and for both sides to TRY to meet in the middle so that a solution is developed that everyone can tolerate.

md

August 26th, 2011
5:05 pm

“The only way we’re going to come up with a durable and workable long-term solution to our budget and deficit problems is for both sides to TRY to trust each other and for both sides to TRY to meet in the middle so that a solution is developed that everyone can tolerate.”

Sadly, the budget commission did just that…….and both sides threw them under the bus…………..

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
5:09 pm

Dusty — “Well, Joe Mama.. I know very little about atheists. My dictionary does give me definitions as follows:”

I’d venture to say that a dictionary definition doesn’t do justice to most people, concepts of things. Read the definition for “elephant” and see if it paints an accurate picture of one. :)

“Well, none of those suit me in any way. I guess I won’t come to your meeting. Thanks, anyway.”

Your loss, Ma’am. :)

However, if you ever have any interest in knowing more about us, feel free to ask (even if you don’t want to visit one of our meetings). I certainly can’t speak for all atheists (we don’t have any sort of scripture or orthodoxy), but I think I can give you some of the range of atheist opinion and reasoning on many topics.

I can assure you that we’re not all covered with hair, we generally practice good dental health and that we work, pay taxes and like to have a good time as much as any theist does. We just differ with you on the How We All Got Here and on the What We’re All Doing Here stories.

FWIW, if I *were* religious, I’d likely be Buddhist, though they don’t believe in a deity as such, either. But I have too much temper and attitude to make a very good one.

Joe Mama

August 26th, 2011
5:10 pm

md — “Sadly, the budget commission did just that…….and both sides threw them under the bus…………”

I know. Neither side is doing much trying right now, I’m afraid. :(

Common Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2011
5:16 pm

yep it’s difficult to be optimistic when neither side will compromise

Adam

August 26th, 2011
5:43 pm

md: What fees of yours have been raised exactly? Besides that, if the banks wanted to not be regulated, they could have CHOSEN not to do bad lending and credit, but apparently they CHOSE otherwise. Now they are reaping the consequences of being clamped down on, because after the economy tanked they CHOSE to try to get as much money out of the poor as they could (living with the idea that the rich will b*tch their way out of it and have lawyers to back it up). The fact is, if you put lots of fees on poor people, you still end up not getting paid because they don’t have it. Shouldn’t lend to them in the first place. That’s a CHOICE.

md

August 26th, 2011
5:55 pm

“The fact is, if you put lots of fees on poor people, you still end up not getting paid because they don’t have it. Shouldn’t lend to them in the first place. That’s a CHOICE.”

Yes Adam… it is. And I bet they will choose to not make that loan in the future……then uncle sugar will not be pleased because “those folks” have no access to money…………

In the mean time Adam…….you and I have OUR fees raised to pay what they didn’t……….the new debit card fees being rolled out are in direct response to this situation……..now we get to choose whether we stay with our current banks or tell them to shove it………

BADA BING

August 26th, 2011
6:06 pm

Just watch…..the idiot ,die hards who won’t evacuate will be trapped and starving, and will blame evertbody else for their problems. Just like NO.

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gm

August 26th, 2011
7:12 pm

Hey are you government workers stop working around the clock to save these hypocrites of the tea party, amazing those idiots of tea party people are going to be the first one out with their hand out for the government.

Oh but wait, let Rick Perry the government hypocrite come and save you”’
Now once you idiots receive your check for the damage please give it back to Uncle Sam, this is God way of exposing these white conservatives rep hypocrites””””’

Adam

August 26th, 2011
11:19 pm

No debit card fee on my end….

Lee

August 27th, 2011
3:22 pm

“Even if the “best case” occurs, I believe the damage may be north of $10 billion.”

No problemo. Obama can print that in 30 minutes.