Hurricane Irene intent on exacting a toll

A satellite image is worth a thousand words.

irene

Governors of five states have already declared a state of emergency. And as Nate Silver warns in the New York Times, after assessing the history of hurricanes making landfall in the Northeast:

“Apart from the inevitable loss of life in the most densely populated part of the country, history suggests that the economic damage could run into the tens of billions of dollars, depending on the severity of the storm and how close it comes to the city. Unlikely but theoretically plausible scenarios could have the damage entering the realm of the costliest natural disasters of all time, and perhaps being large enough to have a materially negative effect on the nation’s gross domestic product.”

A sobering if not downright frightening assessment of possible damage is offered by meteorologist Mike Smith here. “The damage potential is huge,” he writes. “Even if the “best case” occurs, I believe the damage may be north of $10 billion.”

He also notes that on its current path, Irene will hit New York City with ground-level winds of 70 to 90 mph. “However, above about the 20th story of buildings, winds will gust well above 100 mph.”

– Jay Bookman

389 comments Add your comment

jm

August 26th, 2011
11:18 am

Tens of Billions might be generous depending on how severe the storm, where it hits, and all the knockon effects. Could easily be a couple hundred billion $’s. Everyone cross their toes and fingers.

md

August 26th, 2011
11:23 am

Does this mean the Gulf Coast States can finally include others in the catastrophic insurance pool?

If we are going to have national hc, how about sharing the insurance pool too……………

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
11:24 am

That is one scary picture.

MightyRighty

August 26th, 2011
11:27 am

Meanwhile, our government is “focused like a laser” on job distruction

Federal agents swooped in on Gibson Guitar Wednesday, raiding factories and offices in Memphis and Nashville, seizing several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. The Feds are keeping mum, but in a statement yesterday Gibson’s chairman and CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, defended his company’s manufacturing policies, accusing the Justice Department of bullying the company. “The wood the government seized Wednesday is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier,” he said, suggesting the Feds are using the aggressive enforcement of overly broad laws to make the company cry uncle.

jm

August 26th, 2011
11:29 am

Surfs up in GA, SC, and NC. If you like trashy waves and riptides.

pat

August 26th, 2011
11:29 am

It’s Bush’s fault.

Patrick

August 26th, 2011
11:29 am

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
11:32 am

That’s a big, angry, woman out there

Midori

August 26th, 2011
11:33 am

I’m truly worried/concerned about this hurricane :(

Guy Incognito

August 26th, 2011
11:33 am

The hurricane. Not Michelle

carlosgvv

August 26th, 2011
11:33 am

I can see it all now. This hurricane does a huge amount of property damage. Governors up and down the Easters seabord declare their States disaster areas and ask for Federal assistance. Tea Party members in Congress march in lock-step saying “no” to any Federal assistance. The spit then hits the fan.

pat

August 26th, 2011
11:35 am

“Gibson has been the subject of an ongoing federal lawsuit and a separate investigation into whether it illegally imported endangered ebony woods to use in its sought-after instruments”

Wow! Why is the press so mum about this? Raiding the offices? Seriously, feds have nothing better to do?
This is militant environmentalism run amok.
They couldn’t just buy a guitar to see what kind of wood it’s made of, that had raid the company over wood?
Travesty of justice.

Citizen of the World

August 26th, 2011
11:42 am

This does not look good — I certainly hope people will get out of the way of this storm, and I am also hoping it will weaken and make landfall where it will do the least damage to life and property.

To the off-topic MightyRighty, regulation is necessary and must be enforced. What business are you in? What business are your suppliers and competitors in? Do you not believe that regulation protects you at least as much or more than it burdens you?

Law enforcement (a form of regulation) also makes mistakes every now and then and creates some havoc for the wrongly accused or arrested, but would you have us declare law enforcement “freedom destruction”?

Midori

August 26th, 2011
11:45 am

Citizen – from what I heard, it’s supposed to make landfall twice. the problem is, the longer it stays out to sea, the stronger it becomes.

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
11:48 am

pat and Mighty, maybe you missed the news about the bag of rice with a Khapra beetle that customs agents stopped. We spent millions of dollars (1950’s dollars) and years eliminating this non-native pest. Did y’all ever stop to think the regulations against importing unfinished wood might be a good thing? Probably not, you’d squall and screech about how the feds spend all your precious tax dollars on a teeny bug, what a freakin’ waste.

Oh, and so sorry if the impending hurricane is not as much fun as complaining about your pet WhirledNutDaily peeve.

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
11:49 am

Americans will need and receive federal aid in times like these, the greedy will take it but forget it has to be paid for.

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
11:53 am

Re Gibson, the best tone wood for guitars is on the protected species list. There are laws governing the use of such wood, for money Gibson might break the law, you reckon?

St Simons - we're on Island time

August 26th, 2011
11:56 am

woohoo – here we go. Righteous surf at Fernandina. Surfs up. Really. up. 12-15

Butch Cassidy

August 26th, 2011
12:00 pm

Quick, alert the six members of the “Super Congress”. They need to decide if spending money on disaster relief is warranted, and then demand that the Democrats come up with a dollar for dollar reduction in spending. Maybe we could just stop sending federal dollars to the Gulf Coast and swap them for the Eastern Seaboard?

Jimmy62

August 26th, 2011
12:00 pm

If the hurricane hits NYC, it’s because Obama hates white people, right?

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
12:01 pm

Sobering stuff linked by Jay to 538, to be sure.

Of course you can’t put a price on lives lost, and I hope our Northeasterners opt for safe over sorry when presented with the choice.

stands for decibels

August 26th, 2011
12:01 pm

And as for the ignoramus with his off-topic distractions, jeez.

At least pretend to give a rat’s ass about a region that is home to scores of millions of your fellow Americans, MR.

midtownguy

August 26th, 2011
12:04 pm

This is God’s punishment of NY for passing gay marriage. Sorry, I just had to channel a little Pat Robertson.

FEMA and other federal agencies have long contemplated what would happen if a small state were hit hard. Unlike Florida, Texas on Georgia, where state government, and therefore command and control, could stay intact at the state level. What happens if the entire state like Delaware is without power and unable to function?

JOE C00L

August 26th, 2011
12:04 pm

*sigh* And Jimmy62 wonders why no one takes him serious.

Midori

August 26th, 2011
12:05 pm

no Jimmy – it just means you have the most unimaginative brain ever.

That “joke” wasn’t funny the 1000 other times it was posted.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:07 pm

I read that they are sortieing Navy ships out to sea to ride out the storm from South Carolina to Connecticut. One of my favorite “Navy Times” was the time we rode out a storm in Sasebo Japan anchored in the sound. We had our boilers lit off and we would swing around the anchor chain as necessary to avoid Japanese fishing boats and coastal steamers that broke their moorings. It was an intense two days, but we showed the Japanese what American seamanship was like. I have also been in storms at sea that made you wonder if you were going to see daylight again. Anybody remember the storm scene in the movie, “The Caine Mutiny”? Times ten, it was…

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:07 pm

If the hurricane hits NYC, it’s because Obama hates white people, right?

Well, that’s one conclusion the nutwing will make, yes.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:08 pm

Let’s home we don’t have a “heckuva job, Brownie” moment.

Generation$crewed

August 26th, 2011
12:12 pm

Let us all hope those given evacuation orders indeed leave and do not try to “weather” the storm. Especially as slow as this one appears to be moving, the eye could be focused on an area for quite some time before moving on.

Doggone/GA

August 26th, 2011
12:13 pm

“Let’s home we don’t have a “heckuva job, Brownie” moment”

Wishing you weren’t where you are right now? ;-)

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
12:16 pm

What happens if the entire state like Delaware is without power and unable to function?

Think about Rhode Island. Practically the whole state is within 50 miles of a coast, bay, or inlet.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:17 pm

Yep, Irene is going to be a disaster. No doubt about it.

If you want to read about another disaster, read about the $111.8 billion the new Obama regulations are going to cost us. Kyle has that subject well covered. Totally factual.

mm

August 26th, 2011
12:17 pm

Eric Cantor has already said no disaster money will be coming unless there are equal custs elsewhere. These idiots are hellbent on losing the next election bigtime.

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:22 pm

Normal,

My husband once rode out a typhoon on a Navy ship, too. I gather it was not his happiest days.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
12:24 pm

Hang tough, eastern seaboard.

Hopefully, all of the once-Republican, now-conservative (LOL!) Uncle Sam haters won’t have be bailed out due to their own bad choices. /sarc/

Peadawg

August 26th, 2011
12:25 pm

“Eric Cantor has already said no disaster money will be coming unless there are equal custs elsewhere.”

Nothing wrong with cutting unnecessary spending somewhere (Afghanistan anyone??) to fund disaster relief.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
12:27 pm

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

mm,

Cantor’s statements were discussed ad nauseum last night.

He obviously meant that as future planning because government aid is already being extended for Irene.

GOP is trying to figure how to cut costs in all areas. Maybe Dems should try it. Remember the big big government debt???

Real Scooter

August 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

Eric Cantor has already said no disaster money will be coming unless there are equal custs elsewhere. These idiots are hellbent on losing the next election bigtime.

So,I guess you could say Canter is more worried about our economy than he is the next election.Right mm?

Mick

August 26th, 2011
12:30 pm

My cousins from jersey usually call me up when a hurricane is poised to hit s. florida, it will be strange to be making the same call only vice versa. I think the buildings will be just fine but the windows, that’s another story…

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:31 pm

AmVet,

Go soak your head in a surge!! Irene is a choice? What Uncle Sam haters? You?

jconservative

August 26th, 2011
12:31 pm

The Tea Party in the House will approve disaster relief if it is offset with equal spending cuts in other areas, except defense.

The Democrats in the Senate will propose a 1% surtax on all incomes over $1.5 millon.

The Senate will not be able to get 60 votes on the House plan and the House will not approve the Senate plan.

jt

August 26th, 2011
12:32 pm

It has been noted that the Federal Emergency Management Agency has been underused in the aftermath of the tornadoes around Missouri, Alabama, and parts of Georgia. Here’s what I think.

The people of New Orleans waited around for the government to rescue them, and we all know how well that turned out for them. Now, the people of Alabama,Missouri,and Georgia took care of each other and themselves, and churches and other organizations are pitching in, so there is very little need of FEMA’s help.

This is as it should be, in my opinion. Government aid always comes with strings attached (I helped you; now vote for me), so private assistance is more desirable for retaining our freedom.
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Whatever happens with Irene…………….let us all disappoint the statists.
US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
12:35 pm

dusty

Notice how the ame is played on your side? Huffing and puffing about 100 billion but was there any specifics? (NO) It also was the EPA, you know that agency that protects us from polluting and destroying the land where we live. I mean really, what would you prefer, the US to be more like china? They don’t give a damn about the environment nor the people who live in it….

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:36 pm

Dusty,
I was luckier than most because I never got sea sick…I did get bruised though. But still, when you are in a a storm of any magnitude, whatever arrogance you might have had about your place in life went with the breeze, pun intended. The majesty of the sea at those times is just beyond awesome.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:37 pm

“US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys.”

I think they said that about the Soviet Union, too…Coincidence?

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
12:40 pm

jt, aka Mr, Private Assistance, here’s chance for you and the other Uncle Sam haters to put your money where your mouth is.

Get that checkbook out and help those people who are gonna get clobbered.

And don’t be chincy! (LOL)

If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
When the levee breaks I’ll have no place to stay.

Cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
Now, cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s

Aquagirl

August 26th, 2011
12:43 pm

jt, anarchy is a really cool idea if you’re a 9th grade emo kid. For adults…not so much.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

#Irene: “Nation Building” at home! Construction jobs for all!

Mick

August 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

The gop will cut aid so they are stuck with a 10 billion dollar bill.

Personal responsibility for the States but not for the gop.

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:46 pm

US Gov. helps no one. It only destroys

jt hates everyone. I know that because he doesn’t get that “government” is us in this country. We elect them, they do what we collectively yell to do. If we don’t collectively yell, they do what they get paid to do by someone else. The government is us, not them.

jt

August 26th, 2011
12:46 pm

AmVet
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Good tune but……………………………….I help everyone by spreading the word of Ron Paul.
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Whether or not you statists know it or not………….is your own problem.
But remember………..put Uncle Sugar behind thee……and you too……..can have this………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC1NR7AL_9s

ByteMe

August 26th, 2011
12:47 pm

Where are the “Tenthers” on this whole #Irene thing? Oh, right, it’s only liberal areas being hit.

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
12:48 pm

Perhaps we could pay the unemployed to clean up the mess since we’re already paying them and they have nothing else to do? Wouldn’t cost us much more than we’re already paying and the way the economy has been going, there are lots of them…

I wonder, if this thing tears up Martha’s Vinyard, will Obama just tell all the rich people there to pay for their own clean up since he think they should pay more anyway? Cut out the middle man so to speak?

jt

August 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

ByteMe
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YOU might be Barney Frank………….or a war mongeror………..or a corrupt-o-crat…………….
just don’t count me involved in your little corrupto canoe club.
.

Normal

August 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

mm

August 26th, 2011
12:49 pm

Dusty,

“GOP is trying to figure how to cut costs in all areas. Maybe Dems should try it. Remember the big big government debt???”

Remember who caused most of it? The ones that are now making a big deal about.

I’m going to LMAO next year when the GOP gets clobbered in November. You have nobody to blame but yourselves.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

RB.

You want corporate to pay these workers?

You can lose your con card for that.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

AmVet-You sound like conservatives talking to Warren Buffett. Still crickets from Warren on that check to pay down the national debt

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:51 pm

Mick,

I hoped you would read the specifics as written by Kyle. He is concerned by all “pending and planned rulemaking” that will cost us at least one billion dollars. He mentions EPA and other 218 plannned rules.

We don’t need to be “hogtying” business when it is down and out. The environment will survive even without regulations. .. Business may not survive with them.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:52 pm

hank,

He bought 5 billion to bail out Bank of America.

Good enough for you?

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:52 pm

I would pray for the people on the east coast but I’m sure the atheists in here would find that offensive so that would get me thrown out of here.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:53 pm

getalife-Last I checked BOA wasn’t the national debt right?

Dusty

August 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

mm

I suggest you do more reading on the national debt. Find out how much it has jumped since Obama became president. You really should read before you start making bets.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

Or is it all just blurry to you.

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
12:55 pm

Let’s remember folks that at times like these Americans need to stand together…..

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:55 pm

hank,

Well, if you ignore the jobs lost and the revenue from those jobs.

getalife

August 26th, 2011
12:58 pm

GG,

Our President asked for unity but the gop said no for the election.

They did unite on tarp to bail out the banks but that is all the unity we will get from the gop.

I have to question their patriotism and Dusty is here to opine.

She thinks she is a expert on patriotism so lets hear from Dusty.

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
12:59 pm

“You want corporate to pay these workers?

You can lose your con card for that.”

We’re already paying them getaclue. You do know who pays for unemployment don’t you? Hint, it’s not the government….

If we’re already paying them, perhaps we could get them to do some work for their pay??

Granny Godzilla

August 26th, 2011
1:00 pm

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

RB,

Americans donate their time and money after a hurricane.

Since your party will not vote yes this time, it is all we got.

It will fall way short of the costs but you love destroyed cities like New Orleans.

Hankie Aron

August 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

getalife- I think that’s 2 separate things, not ignoring either.

Agreed GG

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:03 pm

hank,

It is related.

Mr_B

August 26th, 2011
1:03 pm

“As a share of gross domestic product, corporate profits also have been increasing, and they now represent 11.2 percent of total output. That is the highest share since the fourth quarter of 2006, when they accounted for 11.7 percent of output.” ( 3rd quarter 2010, NYT)
Doesn’t sound like US business are down and out to me, Dusty.

Jay

August 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

I haven’t looked, Dusty. Do the figures offered by Kyle and Boehner mention the offsetting benefits produced? You know, lives saved, health costs saved, etc.? Or don’t those kind of costs count?

I do know one of the regulations in question involves coal ash. You know, the stuff that spilled from a retention pond in Tennessee a while back, about a billion gallons of waste containing heavy metals and other highly toxic materials, waste that is currently entirely unregulated?

Do they mention how many of those regulations are legally REQUIRED under laws passed by Congress?

Midori

August 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

careful Mr. B — next you’ll be called an “ingrate”

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:07 pm

The reality is the gop will only vote to bail out the banks and the rest of America are on their own.

No help for natural disasters or the American worker.

Common Sense isn't very Common

August 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

In NC the weekend to check on things, buttoning up for the rain. Fun times are due around midnight tonight and ALL day tomorrow. :-)

What was the link the other day for our spelling challenged TP friends?

The picture looked like someone I know and I want to confirm it. LOL

getalife

August 26th, 2011
1:09 pm

Oops I forgot the gop will vote yes on corporate welfare too.

Sorry about that.

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
1:10 pm

LOL, meat, you are a veritable Sherlock Holmes.

That was exactly my point. To throw their sophist nonsense right back at them.

You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

jt, I made it through about half way, but that’s all I could take.

I don’t think those folks who are gonna go through horrendous suffering in the next few days give a flying ____ about your politics.

Just a guess, though…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJopR2KCYJk

Rich

August 26th, 2011
1:11 pm

From the West — Hold onto your seats East Coast! Good luck in riding it out!

Mick

August 26th, 2011
1:15 pm

rb

Not a bad idea, I’ve always thought that those collecting unemployment should be required to do something, anything in the community that would not take away from wage earners but would supplement keeping the streets and parks clean…

Mr_B

August 26th, 2011
1:16 pm

The basic fallacy at work is the idea that a dollar spent complying with a regulation somehow dissapears into thin air, or ends up in some undiscovered government stash. It doesn’t, it just creates jobs and opportunities for someone else.

Mr_B

August 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

Mick: What you’re sugesting would be analogous to Roosevelt’s CCC and WPA. SOCIALISM!

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

“Oops I forgot the gop will vote yes on corporate welfare too.”

You mean like bailing out GM and Chrysler? Or in your hyper partisan little mind, do those not count because they were given by a D?

Your reasoning skills are similar to my 6th grader…

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

NATO Targets Syria After Libya for Regime Change

With globalist restructuring plans for the Middle East and North Africa looking to be nearly complete, one major hurdle remains. After a relatively easy path to victory in Tunisia and Egypt, and with the project to dismantle and re-privatise the Libyan state nearly complete, only Syria remains as the last serious contender for resistance against a globalist effort to dominate the greater region.

[W]estern media consumers can firstly expect a trial by media of Assad, followed by more Western-backed provocateur actions within the country designed to sway international opinion in favour of international sanctions, a UN Resolution, followed by a No Fly Zone, coupled with a protracted NATO bombing campaign, and finally capped off ultimately by a “regime change” in Syria.

The story by now, should be a familiar one. As with Libya, top analysts have concluded that the recent Syrian unrest was planned many months ago, and has since been seized upon by the western media. It is not surprising here that unrest in that country has been both financed and driven mainly by a foreign agents of influence, and not true reform seekers as is depicted in the western mainstream press.

As with the technique used in Libya, the western PR machine will then spin the story that Assad’s forces opened fire on “peaceful protesters” and therefore rendered illegitimate as a ruling government in that country. This PR effort is then helped along by digital trending using social networks like Twitter, with the majority of regime change activity being posted in English language format.

I know that you are all basking in that warm glow of having eliminated a “dictator,” but all is not as it seems. Let’s just see if any of this comes true. I invite you to read this article with an open mind. It might change your mind about what you are told by the mainstream media.

md

August 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

“He bought 5 billion to bail out Bank of America.”

Just out of the goodness of his heart right?

Now tell us all what he stands to gain………………………….I know, have you looked it up??

Paulo977

August 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

Dusty
re:”Remember the big government debt”

Big government haters would shrug this off as ” Too lazy to help themselves”!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU-z1jcp09s

AmVet

August 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

Knowing that things could get real ugly for my east coast brothers is kinda tough.

Not gonna be around for tonight’s songfest, so gonna play a few before I scoot.

This Gram Parsons tribute has beautiful harmonies and fantastic musicianship. Typical for this band…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75IZ4ZL9joI

Mick

August 26th, 2011
1:22 pm

Actually, bringing back the WPA and the CCC would really help to address our aging infrastructure. I mean if we really are broke, then shouldn’t we be marching out of all wars like yesterday?

RB from Gwinnett

August 26th, 2011
1:23 pm

“The basic fallacy at work is the idea that a dollar spent complying with a regulation somehow dissapears into thin air, or ends up in some undiscovered government stash. It doesn’t, it just creates jobs and opportunities for someone else.”

It’s expense that adds no value to the goods being produced. Add enough of this garbage onto the cost of a product and you’re left with a product that’s not competitive or an employer who has stuff made somewhere else.

Mick

August 26th, 2011
1:25 pm

amvet

No need to worry, those jersey and new yorkers are plenty tough. So there won’t be any crying over spilt beer – fuggetaboutit…

jt

August 26th, 2011
1:26 pm

AmVet
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Your last music selection had 263 views.
.
Why am I not surprised?

Jefferson

August 26th, 2011
1:27 pm

You have to regulate abusers of people or the environment. The GOP just wants to regulate personal freedoms.

md

August 26th, 2011
1:27 pm

Corp profits are up? Really? Isn’t that to be expected when expenses are cut?

To the tune of 20-30 million layoffs…………………

Some of you are too funny………..picking and choosing the aspects of the equation that look good to your argument.

I’ll be the first to say i don’t have all the numbers, but common sense should dictate some of this.

Shipped labor over seas……..labor costs reduced. laid off % of workforce…..labor/benefit cost reduced…………require remaining labor to work long hours…….labor cost reduced………..

Yet some only want to see the profit…………..

Joe the Plutocrat (and Travis Bickle)

August 26th, 2011
1:29 pm

to be honest, it looks like “Irene” might provide a better “stimulus” than Ben Bernanke. while I am cynical of the “$10 billion on a good day” predications and the casual acceptance of “loss of life” I suppose it is better (in terms of the outcome, and Weather Channel, CNN, Fox News, et al, revenues) to err on the side of caution and prepare for the “worst case scenario”. that said; the folks who sell generators, non-perishable foods, bottled water; as well as home improvement/repair supplies, etc. will get to turnover some inventory. ditto the insurance giants. they “plan” for this; dare I say “account for” this, and the upside after payment of several billion in claims is; higher rates AND probably lots of new customers. to be honest, the true role of government (local, state and federal) is to ensure order is maintained, and perhaps emergency response in the form of search and rescue, EMT and traffic/evacuation management. when all is said and done; like the debt, or the next election, we’re mostly just spectators and we’ll just have to take our medicine and soldier on.

Adam

August 26th, 2011
1:30 pm

Dusty: Maybe Dems should try it.

Maybe Dems should do things the Republican way!

Jeez. And as long as the media falls for it we’re going to end up with a far right representation.

Soothsayer

August 26th, 2011
1:33 pm

“AmVet
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Your last music selection had 263 views.
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Why am I not surprised?”

That’s because it was only uploaded 21 days ago. jt you really need to get some help!