Teen pregnancy, taxes and climate change: Evidence matters
It is one of the great under-reported success stories of our time.
Twenty years ago, roughly 62 out of every 1,000 teen-age American girls were giving birth. Here in Georgia, the numbers were much, much worse. At the time, we had the highest teen-age birth rate in the country, at 126 births per 1,000 teen-age girls, twice as high as the national average.
The good news is that by 2009, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the national teen birth rate had fallen to 39.1 births per 1,000 females, a 37 percent decrease and the lowest rate ever recorded in this country. (It’s still among the highest in the Western world.) Here in Georgia, the decline was even more dramatic. By 2009, the rate of teenage births here had fallen to 47.7 per 1,000, still above the national average but a startling reduction of 62 percent.
That’s a lot of individual lives that have been saved and changed. It’s a lot of money saved for the taxpayer as well. Those improvements have been pretty broadly based as well. As the Centers for Disease Control reports, “During that period, the birth rate decreased 50 percent among black teens, 41 percent among white teens, and 33 percent among Hispanic teens.”
However, the problem has remained more persistent in some areas than others. Texas, for example, has the third-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country. At 60.7 pregnancies per 1,000 teen-aged girls, its rate is more than three times higher than that of Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, which have the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the country.
In Texas, that means three times more girls at risk of dropping out of high school and never attending college. It means a lot more abortions. It means a lot more children who are being raised by children, often without benefit of a nuclear family. It means premature babies, more low weight babies, more infant mortality and more dependence on government social programs.
In its sex-ed programs in public school, Texas relies upon a curriculum of abstinence-only, an approach that has been shown to be ineffective in multiple studies. Gov. Rick Perry was asked about that fact last year in a televised interview with Evan Smith of the Texas Tribune, who read Perry a question submitted by an audience member:
Here’s a transcript of the relevant exchange:
SMITH: Governor, why does Texas continue with abstinence education programs when they don’t seem to be working? In fact, I think we have the third highest teen pregnancy rate in the country.
PERRY: “Abstinence … works.”
(audience laughter)
SMITH: “But we have the third highest teen pregnancy rate among all states in the country. The questioner’s point is, it doesn’t seem to be working — abstinence education.”
PERRY: “It, it, it works. Maybe it’s the way it’s being taught, or the way it’s being applied out there, but the fact of the matter is it is the best form of — uh — to teach our children.”
SMITH: “Can you give a statistic telling me that it works?”
PERRY: “I’m just going to tell you from my own personal life, abstinence works …”
We’ve seen that attitude in a lot of policy areas. Tax cuts increase government revenue, even though repeated experiments have proved otherwise. Global warming has been revealed as a hoax, even though every investigation of the data has upheld its accuracy (the most recent is here).
And as Perry stubbornly insists, abstinence works.
This is faith and ideology that is immune to evidence. It is the assertion that belief should trump outcome. And as the teen-birth statistics demonstrate, the consequences of elevating faith over fact in the public policy sphere can be tragic.
(As an aside, it’s hard to watch that clip and not be struck by the uncanny similarity in body language and speaking cadence between Perry and former President George W. Bush. It’s actually kind of weird. My wife’s family is from Texas and my brother has lived there for 30 years — it’s not as if every male in the state has those mannerisms.)
– Jay Bookman
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849 comments Add your comment
MEGO
August 24th, 2011
9:15 am
Just say no!!
MEGO
August 24th, 2011
9:15 am
FIRST!!! I will play the lottery today!!
Adam
August 24th, 2011
9:18 am
Abstinence… works… (laughter)
Adam
August 24th, 2011
9:19 am
It’s funny, but I don’t think I’ve seen the cons’ take on this. I can’t wait to see if they’re actually nutty about this issue, which has a very obvious cause and effect model that has been tested over and over.
Mick
August 24th, 2011
9:20 am
Perry should enjoy his honeymoon because when the vail come off his candidacy, it’s not going to be a very appealing portrait…
Normal
August 24th, 2011
9:21 am
If not abstinence, then masturbation! (new bumper sticker)
carlosgvv
August 24th, 2011
9:22 am
But……but……but……. Gov. Perry has been in power for a long time now. He is a strong force for the Christian way of life. Texas strongly promotes “abstinence works” and we all know that if The Lord has inspired Gov. Perry to say that, then it has to be true. Hmmmmm- It must be the works of the evil Obama administration that are causing all these teen pregnacy cases in Texas.
saywhat?
August 24th, 2011
9:23 am
Maybe if all those Texas teens stopped getting all hot and bothered and instead practice abstinence, they would throw off less heat and stop the global warming, thereby allowing us to lower taxes (no need for “tax and trade”), and improve the economy by all working minimum wage jobs instead fornicating. It all makes perfect conservative libertearepublitardian sense.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
9:24 am
it’s hard to watch that clip
yes, I imagine it is.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
9:26 am
“Here in Georgia, the decline was even more dramatic. By 2009, the rate of teenage births here had fallen to 47.7 per 1,000, still above the national average but a startling reduction of 62 percent.”
The other side of the coin. You libs going to give Republican’s credit for the reduction in Georgia or are you just going to go nuts about Texas?
Left wing management
August 24th, 2011
9:27 am
Maybe it’s the way it’s being taught, or the way it’s being applied out there, …
Abstinence. It’s all in the application.
Rob Woodall Has Always Gotten His Healthcare for Free but Paid By You, He wants your grandparents to forgo food to pay out from their fixed income
August 24th, 2011
9:28 am
Geez….. that man is just not that bright.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:29 am
Yes, because we all know that you can just NOT have sex, just like we all know you just STOP breathing…
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:30 am
the way abstinence is being “applied” doesn’t work???
Paul
August 24th, 2011
9:30 am
As was said the other day, I like the characteristic of Pres Obama where he looks at new information or new circumstances and modifies his position or changes his mind. I see that as a mature, honest approach to life.
This is in contrast to people. like Gov Perry, who take a position and will not change it unless the political heat becomes too intense and becomes a threat to his career (for example, the trans-Texas corridor). In areas where he does make the correct call (areas? okay… area, singular, only example I can think of) requiring girls to get vaccines to prevent, not just measles, mumps, rubella, polio, but also cervical cancer. But in that case, he reversed himself when the conservative religious opposition had a fit.
Take those characteristics and extrapolate four years into the future. Is that what you want?
Jay
August 24th, 2011
9:30 am
I wasn’t going to bring this up, godless, but since you insist:
If you want to start handing out credit for Georgia’s progress, you have to start with — gasp! — Jane Fonda.
http://gcapp.org/about-us-history-g-capp
Adam
August 24th, 2011
9:31 am
Jay: This is faith and ideology that is immune to evidence. It is the assertion that belief should trump outcome.
Huntsman calls this “anti-science.”
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:31 am
and of course, he was against cervical cancer before he was for it:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rick-perry-walks-back-support-mandating-hpv-vaccine/story?id=14333931
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
9:31 am
“That’s a lot of individual lives that have been saved and changed. ”
How has the abortion rate changed the numbers, Jay? Did you factor that in? I’m not so sure the easy access to abortions should be considerd “lives that have been saved”.
Also, the graduation rate in APS is 45%. Are you saying it would be worse than that without all this great news? That’s 45%, Jay. Why isn’t anybody standing on the rooftops screaming about that? Why isn’t that the single biggest issue in the APS community when we know the 55% will become “less fortuate”?
You keep telling half stories, Jay, as the deck chairs keep getting rearranged.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
9:31 am
and yes, that post was really from me.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:32 am
So, Jay, WHO was namejacking Paul?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
9:32 am
Ahhhh… education failures in GA are the fault of the Democratic-controlled school boards, education success, contrary to general position of many Republican, is the success of the Republicans. Credit must be given to a party as well as blame to another. We shall not discuss the merits of the education program itself!
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:32 am
“Abstinence … works.”
No doubt about it, unless it is an immaculate conception. I believe the term should be “The teaching of abstinence doesn’t work the way it should.”
All the stereotypes for teaching kids are pretty much true. I always loved the ” Give teenagers jobs while they still know everything.”
Modern kids still smoke cigarettes for God’s sake. “Sure, I’ll smell like a wet ashtray, have breath that will knock a buzzard off a s**t wagon at fifty paces and change the color of all my internal organs from bright pink to a dirty maroon and suffer life long health problems because hollywood tells me that it looks cool.”
They GET TATTOOS, The ultimate slavery to fashion. A life long commitment to bad taste. Beautiful women that have arms that look like WWII sailors. Guys that look like they just got out of the state correctional facility and will look that way forever. Kids (and adults) that trust a tattoo artist to know what that oriental symbol actually means, when we all know what it means: “I have the IQ of a frog and the abhorrence to following the herd of a Lemming.”
If I only had thought to have bell bottom jeans permanently sewn into the skin of my legs. I could have tie-dyed my chest! To be honest, I could use the hair that gave me that Beatle haircut, but that’s another issue.
And you say that telling them to not have sex isn’t working? Say it ain’t so.
Call it like it is
August 24th, 2011
9:32 am
Well after reading the title of your blog today, I was wondering how this was going to be spun to reflect bad on Perry. Very entertaining Jay. You know heres a thought if you actually were not so one sided with this blog and added real insight to both sides you might average more then 400 hits a day in an area that has over a million people. Of course the average may not even be 400 if you take away your cult that post 20 to 30 times on each blog, not really adding anything, just filling in space. Just a thought.
Stonethrower
August 24th, 2011
9:33 am
He is telling the truth, it does work for those who abstain.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
9:34 am
Adam
“Huntsman calls this “anti-science.””
No wonder his poll numbers are so low -
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:34 am
And yes, Perry looks and sounds EXACTLY like Bush. Eeeekkk!!
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:34 am
Bosch – “Yes, because we all know that you can just NOT have sex, just like we all know you just STOP breathing…”
well, there are those people who choose celibacy … and then, there are those who celibacy chooses them.
Rob Woodall Has Always Gotten His Healthcare for Free but Paid By You, He wants your grandparents to forgo food to pay out from their fixed income
August 24th, 2011
9:35 am
No need to spin anything to reflect bad on Perry. Just listen to him speak.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
9:35 am
godless heathen: You libs going to give Republican’s credit for the reduction in Georgia or are you just going to go nuts about Texas?
If Georgia is not sticking with abstinence only education, and Republican lawmakers made that call, then yes, they deserve credit for that. That is a good decision.
See how easy that was? Obama used a “lead from behind” strategy in Libya, and we now know what the results of that are compared to other recent wars. Your turn
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:35 am
“I’m not so sure the easy access to abortions should be considerd “lives that have been saved”.”
yeah. let’s just forget about the thousands of WOMEN who died from botched or self-inflicted abortions
oy.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
9:35 am
what is it about Texas that is soooooooooo 1860ish???
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:36 am
Yes, let’s compare teenagers giving birth to them smoking and getting tattoos.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
9:36 am
I appreciate your concern, Call It. And just to alleviate your worries without giving away too many details, this blog gets multiple millions of visits a year and continues to grow at a very healthy rate.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:36 am
If Perry is responsible for all the little girls and boys in Texas that like to play hide Waldo, is Obama responsible for all the organized crime in Chicago?
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
9:36 am
That’s just ridiculous. Jay puts up another blog posting, pulling something from ancient history out, that obviously doesn’t matter. Especially on the national level, I mean, its the states that set the curriculum, Rick Perry wouldn’t have to deal with this as President. Sheesh Jay, quit attacking people for no reason. We get it, you’re not a big fan of Republicans.
Okay, all joking aside, yeah that is pretty bad. I don’t know about y’all but I can think back to my high school days and know that the abstinence only education that some kids had to sit through didn’t work so well. Or maybe it did, but about half the girls who took that version had kids by the time we graduated, and the other half had to drop out of college because they were having kids. The rest of us were shown slides showing VD and stuff like that and weren’t all that interested. Oh, and the difference came because our parents had to sign a permission slip for us to take the real class (gotta love the country!)
On a side note, in undeveloped nations, the most effective form of birth control has been found to be a community TV and satellite. Give the people something to do in the evenings besides, well you know.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
quick work break
August 24th, 2011
9:37 am
godless heathen–Republicans will get credit if their policies that can be shown to have directly worked. But at least some credit has to go to the endowment from GCAPP: the Georgia Campaign for Adolescent Pregnency Prevention. It might make your head spin to see who has been the biggest force behind that in the last decade.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:37 am
Bosch
If it went over your head, I understand.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
9:37 am
RB: Also, the graduation rate in APS is 45%. Are you saying it would be worse than that without all this great news? That’s 45%, Jay. Why isn’t anybody standing on the rooftops screaming about that? Why isn’t that the single biggest issue in the APS community when we know the 55% will become “less fortuate”?
Ah, the fallacy that “your issue isn’t important, here’s one that IS important.”
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
9:37 am
So the governor of Texas get all the blame but the government of Georgia gets no credit. Same old same old.
ty webb
August 24th, 2011
9:37 am
Dang it Jay, with the headline of this blog entry, I was expecting a great thesis explaining how yesterday’s earthquake was the result of “global warmi-um-climate change”…oh well, I guess we’ll just have to wait for Hurricane Irene to land for that diatribe.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:38 am
GLL – “If Perry is responsible for all the little girls and boys in Texas that like to play hide Waldo”
wow.
way to TOTALLY misread the thesis.
quick work break
August 24th, 2011
9:38 am
Dangit–20 posts since I was typing my reply. Jay beat me to it.
NIght Train
August 24th, 2011
9:38 am
As the old saying goes “it takes two to tango”. So in fact, abstinence does work. If they abstain from having sex then no one becomes pregnant. However, every form of birth control should be taught… by the parents.
Sex Ed should be taught in biology class, not in every class a student takes. Parents should determine at what age this is taught also.
Do we really need 4th and 5th graders practicing putting a condom on a banana?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:38 am
“You keep telling half stories, Jay,”
Seriously? What is it with the wingnuts and their analogies this morning?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
9:39 am
the little girls and boys in Texas that like to play hide Waldo
That is just creepy on so many levels
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
9:39 am
I think it is great that teen pregnancy rates are down in general and in Georgia in particular. I don’t know if it is attributable Global warming or what, but it is a good thing. One thing we do know is that teen pregnancy is effected by the percentage of the ethnic population. I would think that the percentage of illegals in texas has more to do with teen pregnancy rates than who is governor. But I could be wrong. It could be Bush’s fault.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
9:39 am
(ir)Rational, at the insistence of conservatives, the federal government has funded abstinence-only programs for years now.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
9:40 am
Night Train: However, every form of birth control should be taught… by the parents.
What laws would you support to enforce that?
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
9:41 am
Normal: If not abstinence, then masturbation! (new bumper sticker)
You…Are….soooooo…..BAD!!!!
Here’s my bumper sticker -”Need Abstinence? Watch Rush Undress”
jconservative
August 24th, 2011
9:41 am
So its the application.
The reason that the policy of cutting government revenue and increasing government spending has not resulted in increased government revenue is the application.
That means the applicators have been no good. Especially the last 5 applicators, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush & Obama.
Since the Democratic and Republican parties are not capable of providing efficient applicators, I guess we need new political parties.
And that means money. How about the Buffet/Gates Party. Plenty of money there.
quick work break
August 24th, 2011
9:41 am
(ir)Rational: it wasn’t ancient history (last year??) and it MATTERS that he ignores science and facts in favor of his gut feeling. That’s an important character trait.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:42 am
USinUK
I know. I missed the point. The point is that if a Republican is in charge. they get the blame. If a Democrat is in charge, they don’t. I’m trying to think like a liberal, but intelligence keeps getting in the way.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:42 am
and, for all of you people who think that kids get mixed messages if you talk about birth control, why-oh-why does the US lead the industrialized countries in the teen birth rate – do you honestly think that all they talk about in the UK / Ireland / Canada / Germany is how to stay chaste???
http://www.cdc.gov/Features/dsTeenPregnancy/
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:42 am
“I would think that the percentage of illegals in texas has more to do with teen pregnancy rates than who is governor.”
Yes, because we all know that only illegal teenagers have sex.
Yes, GLL, the logic of the wingnut does not compute in my brain.
matrixband
August 24th, 2011
9:42 am
abstinence might work for 40 and 50 and 60 year olds, like me….but not for 17 or 19 year olds with raging hormones! Face reality, Mr. Perry
Midori
August 24th, 2011
9:43 am
DDR — Speaking of Rush, he’s now on a mission to identify all of Obama’s previous girlfriends.
Maybe he wants to interview them to see what he’s doing wrong?
@@
August 24th, 2011
9:43 am
Abortion reduces birthrates? It also contributes to a lack of concern for human life. Violence among teens.
Just MY opinion!
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
9:44 am
Well maybe the less dramatic drop in teen pregnancy in Texas is due to the Dallas Cowboys or Austin City Limits or something in the water.
You all are quick to pin the situation in Texas on the governor, but try hard to find any reason you can to not give any credit to the GOP government of a state that has had better success.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:44 am
GLL – “The point is that if a Republican is in charge. they get the blame.”
so, tell me: do you wear a hair shirt? or are you more of a flogging yourself kind of martyr???
no one here is talking about BLAMING Perry for Texas’ birth rate – they’re talking about the efficacy of abstinence education.
something may be getting in your way, but it sure isn’t intelligence.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
9:45 am
Yes, GLL, the logic of the wingnut does not compute in my brain.
well, he does stubbornly preach that one can live high on the hog on 2K a month
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:47 am
USinUK
I’m more of a “come to a liberal blog and try to speak logically to liberals” kind of martyr.
No one is blaming Perry? So what was that video clip about?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:47 am
Midori – well, you CAN live high on the hog for 2K a month – if you don’t have to pay for car insurance, rent/mortgage, clothing for the kids, utilities, etc …
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:47 am
“It also contributes to a lack of concern for human life. Violence among teens”
Good grief — @@ did you stretch before making that leap?
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2011
9:48 am
The first half of Bookman’s thread was pretty encouraging. Then it turned into a Perry rant. There is little doubt that abstinence works. If you don’t do the deed, you have nothing to worry about. Is it realistic? Probably not. Do the participants bear a certain accountability for the outcome? For sure. You left that out, Bookman.
Peadawg
August 24th, 2011
9:48 am
“Global warming has been revealed as a hoax”
I don’t know of anyone that denies that the Earth is warming. It’s the “man-made” part that is sometimes stuck before “global warming” that is the hoax.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:48 am
“So what was that video clip about?”
his stand on ABSTINENCE EDUCATION – which is the issue.
again – as I said. you’ve got something in your way … intelligence isn’t it.
Steve P.
August 24th, 2011
9:49 am
Obviously the churches in Texas are failing the youth. Perhaps they should institute mandatory testing and fire preachers or defund the churches that fail. Kind of a NO SOUL LEFT BEHIND PROGRAM….
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:49 am
Midori
High on the hog?
It’s always fun watching the lengths that you guys will go in lying about what I have said in order for you to pretend that you were correct on an issue.
Move On. You were wrong and I was right. You should be used to that by now.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:49 am
“So what was that video clip about?”
That Perry refuses to see facts for what they are and will instead argue for a failed policy that has shown to not work, and how important that is if he is to be the leader of the free world.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
9:49 am
The Oxford researchers reviewed 13 US-based trials that examined over 15,000 subjects. The data suggest that abstinence only programs didn’t prevent sex or decrease frequency for those already having sex. Nor did the programs lower the incidents of unprotected sex. An accompanying editorial in the British Medical Journal notes that programs that promote condom use have been shown to lower the risk of HIV infection.
The US Senate has already agreed to spend another $141 million on abstinence only programs. Prediction: The new study will probably not change that appropriation. Don’t expect programs based on ideology to be affected by scientific findings.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
9:50 am
Jay, I knew that at one time, but think I forgot. So I guess it does matter more on a national level, but at the same time, I was being completely sarcastic with the beginning of my last post.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Richard
August 24th, 2011
9:50 am
Oh come on Jay, let’s be fair. Perry said “abstinence works” not “abstinence education works.”
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:50 am
Bosch – to pick up on Steve P’s theme: GLL is practicing “no martyr left behind” (WOE!!! we’re blaming Perry for knocking up teens … or something like that)
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
9:51 am
Jay’s loyal chorus checklist:
Perry. Check.
Rush. Check
Bush. Check
Backman, Palin, and Newt. Pending.
“no one here is talking about BLAMING Perry for Texas’ birth rate – ”
Cudda fooled me.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:51 am
USinUK
So his stance on abstinence has nothing to do with the crux of the article.
Jay. You need to consult with the gal from the UK before posting stuff. You really wasted yours and our time by posting an unrelated video clip.
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2011
9:51 am
However, every form of birth control should be taught… by the parents.
That worked so well for the Palin family, what a great idea! We can extend the benefits Sairy’s grandkids get from the State to all resulting children, and the moms can get big bucks for lecturing on abstinence before marriage. What an awesome economic model.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2011
9:52 am
Well, teenagers got no business having babies in the first place. We wouldn’t even have the problem if they stopped teaching You Know What to our kids. Kids need to be kept in the dark about You Know What till they’re 21 or 22. That way, they won’t start exploring and messing around. They’ll have plenty of time to learn about You Know What on their wedding night. Let it be a big suprize to them.
We can help here by just outlawing womens make-up. These teenage girls put on rouge and lipstick and eye liner and all kind of stuff. No wonder the boys get all riled up. If they could see just how butt-ugly women and girls are without make-up, they’d leave the girls alone.
So let’s go back to talking about how so and so got a visit from the stork and how some married woman was in the Family Way. We need to nip this teenage pregnancy thing in the bud. If we all work together kids won’t hear nothing about You Know What and there won’t never be a teenage mother again.
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good Wednesday everybody. And you women out there—stop putting on make-up and setting a bad example for your little girls. Your husband already knows how you really look. It’s time the rest of the world did too.
Union
August 24th, 2011
9:52 am
“I appreciate your concern, Call It. And just to alleviate your worries without giving away too many details, this blog gets multiple millions of visits a year and continues to grow at a very healthy rate.”
lmao.. thats funny.. need to tell your it dept to figure out what unique visitors are to a page..
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
9:52 am
Perry? Hasn’t he flamed out yet?
I give him 3 months…..
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:52 am
USinUK,
I guess next we’ll see GLL’s predicatable “Go ahead Jay, BAN me because I know you will because you don’t like people who disagree with you and you liberals are fascists working to SILENCE the opposition.”
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
9:53 am
quick work break – I was just trying out what it felt like to attack Jay for no good reason. If you read the entire post, you would have seen just under that paragraph where I said something about “all joking aside” or something like that. Meaning I was joking in that first paragraph.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:54 am
godless – “Cudda fooled me.”
yes. I’m sure you ARE easily fooled. (see: GOP)
GLL – “So his stance on abstinence has nothing to do with the crux of the article”
there is a world of difference between “abstinence education doesn’t work” and “the Texas teen pregnancy rate is all YOUR FAULT”
although, given the way you people like to blame Obama for the EU economy, I’m not surprised that you’re ready to make that leap
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
9:54 am
Bosch
Ah. but that’s not blaming Perry. That’s just showing that they guy in charge is wrong and the result of his being wrong is more teen pregnancies. LOL!!
It is so much fun coming here.
jt
August 24th, 2011
9:54 am
Another chapter of Statism logic……………..or lack thereof.
.
A teen is not mature enough to handle parenthood………………..but is mature enough to join the military and kill brown people.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:54 am
“you and you liberals are fascists working to SILENCE the opposition”
dammit, Bosch – they’re onto us!!!
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
9:55 am
We can expect more of this kind of drivel between now and the election of Obama’s replacement. The poor Democrats have nothing to brag about so they are hard at work looking for anything they can turn into a negative. This topic probably came from the Obama research committee. BTW, abstinence is the only birth control method that does work. It is ignorant to deny this fact.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
9:55 am
That CDC list sure does speak well for conservative values, doesn’t it?
Normal
August 24th, 2011
9:55 am
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
9:41 am
Thanks for that mental image DDR, I Hate you!
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
9:56 am
Another Bumper Sticker:
MISPO – “Maybe I Should’ve Pulled Out”
WWJDNTHOCS? – “What Would Jesus Do Now That He Owes Child Support?”
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:56 am
GG – “Hasn’t he flamed out yet?”
with that hair? do you want a repeat of the Michael Jackson tragedy?
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
9:56 am
USinUK – that’s right! We’re on to you! Run, hide, we’re coming with pitchforks!
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:57 am
“This topic probably came from the Obama research committee. ”
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
because the MILLIONS of federal tax dollars being pumped into the religious groups that produce an education program that DOESN’T WORK isn’t a relevent issue when discussing the budget.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
9:58 am
Oh, USinUK – you’re in the UK so when I come with my pitchfork, can I crash on your sofa? Maybe you could hook me up with tickets to an Arsenal game too?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
9:58 am
(ir) – don’t know who he is, but I hear he’s down at the pub, refusing to buy a pint of bitter
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
9:59 am
has anyone that anybody here personally knows ever became pregnant while practicing abstinence?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 24th, 2011
10:00 am
When you compare teenage birth rates one would think that the makeup of a population has to be figured in. I’m thinking Texas has many more minorities (who as Jay points out are much more prone to teenage preganancies) than states like Vermont. Either way, to say it’s Rick Perry’s fault that Texas teenagers don’t use condoms is quite funny.
This really hows Democrats have nothing to talk about besides rediculous topics such as this one… Luckily only the fringe left looks at this article and says, wow, can you believe this, that Rick Perry is the devil… HAHA
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
10:00 am
Even more bumper stickers (Blame Normal — it’s his fault I’m doing this)
“My child serves honor rolls at Baker College – Thanks Abstinence-Only Programs!!”
“Inside every Abstinence-Only program is a pregnancy trying to get out”
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
10:00 am
Palin. Check.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:00 am
US – That’s probably because he only drinks stout?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:02 am
“It’s always fun watching the lengths that you guys will go in lying about what I have said in order for you to pretend that you were correct on an issue.”
GLL<
You mean like this?
"The point is that if a Republican is in charge. they get the blame. If a Democrat is in charge, they don’t."
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:02 am
I like how my giving Georgia government credit for a good decision was completely glossed over. It’s like you just want to fight…
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
10:02 am
with that hair? do you want a repeat of the Michael Jackson tragedy?
Why yes. Yes I do.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:02 am
The kid’s Mom and I were quite the radicals. We didn’t rely on the school to teach them the problems with having children when they were still children.
I know libs. It’s a shocker, but we actually chose to raise our own kids. And strangely, they are successful and happy and neither have had to face pregnancies, drug addictions, kicking the smelly, horrible hygiene habit of smoking or tattoo removal.
Not turning our children over to the state. Please don’t tell. K?
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:03 am
Bosch
So you DO blame Obama for the crime in Chicago. Good for you.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
10:04 am
Jay, do these statistics include abortions? If you are only counting live births the statistics have no meaning.
Thomas
August 24th, 2011
10:04 am
Jay- you like charts, correct? A little bit of a scary correlation between states with highest teen pregnancy rates and states with highest illegal immigrant population- I didn’t see where you laid that out in your op ed. egads- a little fly just landed in the punch bowl.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:04 am
Debbie – thank you very much for adding to my already great mood. Not positive where it came from, but I’m extremely happy this morning. Maybe I should cut back on the Mt. Dew?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
deegee
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
The point is that we need to elect people that can resolve a problem objectively. We need people that can analyze an issue based on a scientific method. It should be disturbing to the electorate that people like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann are subjective in their approach to problem solving. Their life experiences may dictate how they solve problems within their families, but they shouldn’t be used exclusively for solving problems that affect the cultural melting pot that is the USA. Certainly, a candidate should have a high degree of integrity. Their life experiences will naturally contribute to the discussion. They shouldn’t limit the discussion.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
9:59 am
has anyone that anybody here personally knows ever became pregnant while practicing abstinence?
Just Mary.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
USinUK is rolling today
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
I don’t know of anyone that denies that the Earth is warming.
I love the wingnut tap dance on this, the same people who deny we’re part of the problem are the same ones who a few years ago were denying the earth is getting warmer.
Now, if global warming denialists were wrong a few years ago, you’d think they’d have a bit of rational self-reflection on their own inaccuracy. But no, they bravely forge ahead, ignoring their 100% fail rate. Are these people APS grads? Is it an ego thing?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
“has anyone that anybody here personally knows ever became pregnant while practicing abstinence?”
Well, there was this Virgin once I heard about named Mary…..
Normal
August 24th, 2011
10:06 am
It absolutely amazes me that the religious folks try so hard to stop a natural God given biological function. If I am truly made in Gods image, as they preach, then God certainly is a lusty Man…must have been a Sailor….
But teach good safe sex, provide contraceptives (thereby lowering abortion…a win/win if I ever saw one), and promote responsibility for ones actions.
As aside but pertinent, I think….During the Korean and Viet Nam conflicts, if a solder of other countries fathered a child with a local female, that country took responsibility for that child. Only America ignored the children fathered by American soldiers. Says something about us, doesn’t it?
NIght Train
August 24th, 2011
10:06 am
I’m really surprised that the people on the left are not in support of teaching abstinence-only. As Jay points out, it causes “more dependence on government social programs” which means they will more than likely vote for a democrat.
Lower the education level the more likely they are to depend on the government for survival and the more likely they are to vote for democrats who will give them more and more handouts.
Adam, no new laws are needed, just remove the SexED from the classroom.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:07 am
Bosch – I’ve come to the conclusion that he is a completely lost cause.
The only thing he’s good for is a laugh. Don’t forget to point at him while doing so
pat
August 24th, 2011
10:07 am
If anything it’s evidence that you shouldn’t let the government raise your kids. Quit being losers, be parents.
Since Texas also has one of the highest if not the highest illegal populations in the U.S., of the teen prenancy stats, how many of those kids are born to illegals as anchor babies, where such action isn’t a matter of accidentally getting pregnent, it’s fervent desire and familial encouragement so as to plant a flag in the U.S.
So how many of those teen pregnacies are anchor babies? How many born to illegals who do not know enough english to hear what is being taught in school for those that actually go.
The facts you omit are also stubborn things.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:07 am
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
USinUK is rolling today
Bong broke?
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
10:07 am
Was Barnes governor when Georgia had high pregnancy rates?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:07 am
Oh, so now GLL has moved on to the false generalization of libs because he’s run out of ammo in his argument — wait, did he ever HAVE an argument of point?
Normal
August 24th, 2011
10:09 am
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
Mary was just a good liar, is all…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
10:09 am
And in a direct U-turn away from any logic, GLL goes from discussing why he fails to comprehend the nuance that Perry is not blamed for the failure of abstinence but for the continued support of a failed abstinence-only education program to a diatribe about how his parenting skills exceed those of say, Palin. Do the airbags go off in that kind of high-speed turn?
Gordon
August 24th, 2011
10:09 am
I wonder why I read only negative blogs about Republicans and not positive ones about President Obama. We have a president who is “sort of a god.” Democrats should be focused on his accomplishments to promote his re-election. I wonder why they aren’t.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:09 am
It would be very interesting to find out if the parents of teens that get pregnant are a majority of liberals or conservatives.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:09 am
“I’m really surprised that the people on the left are not in support of teaching abstinence-only. As Jay points out, it causes “more dependence on government social programs” which means they will more than likely vote for a democrat”
Yeah NIght Train because nothing supports an argument more than stupid generalizations based on nothing but prejudices.
@@
August 24th, 2011
10:10 am
Bosch:
Good grief — @@ did you stretch before making that leap?
It was MY opinion. If you can prove that it hasn’t, I’ll give yours consideration.
I see the gossip fest has begun with you right in the thick of it.
I’m out.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:11 am
“We have a president who is “sort of a god.””
Says who Gordo? Certainly not any of us.
Jm
August 24th, 2011
10:11 am
A. Good column
B. Huntsman would probably agree
C. TX, more private sector jobs created than the rest of the country combined
Nothing can refute that last fact
Thomas
August 24th, 2011
10:11 am
So how many of those teen pregnacies are anchor babies? How many born to illegals who do not know enough english to hear what is being taught in school for those that actually go.
The facts you omit are also stubborn things
We shall await our chart- or we could leave the blog and let everyone roll around claiming victory much like Bush did on the USS Abraham Lincoln. The far left=the far right
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:12 am
Night Train: Abstinence only education is what creates more dependance. If you use only that metric, you should be against it. But the religious and faith based idea that abortion is wrong and birth control is wrong and people should just be able to control their urges like sex and being gay is what is driving this one, not any real hard data, not any objective analysis.
Removing Sex Ed from the classroom is a terrible idea. You may personally believe that you are teaching your children properly, by talking to them about the birds and the bees and saying stuff like “when two people love each other very much.” But the fact is, most parents don’t even know where to begin because they are not educators in a specific discipline themselves. School is designed to teach more than the parents know and/or are willing to teach.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:12 am
And in a direct U-turn away from any logic,
to be fair, he does that an awful lot.
*still pointing my finger laughing at him*
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:12 am
Keep Up
Thanks for the commentary. It’s a little odd (and creepy) that you can’t differentiate between parenting skills and the acts of a governor. You do realize that the governor of a state isn’t the parent of all the children in that state, don’t you?
Yes, we did much better than Palin. And thanks for pointing that out.
JOE C00L
August 24th, 2011
10:13 am
“PERRY: “I’m just going to tell you from my own personal life, abstinence works …”
He left out “Until I Got My First Piece”
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Joe Cool –
at least he still has real purdy hair
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
GLL: It would be very interesting to find out if the parents of teens that get pregnant are a majority of liberals or conservatives.
That would should be easy to estimate based on voter registrations in the states that have abstinence only as their curriculum.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Actually, Thomas, no such correlation exists.
California, with the nation’s highest percentage of illegal immigrants, ranks 27th in teen birth rate.
Mississippi, the state with the highest rate of teen births, has a very low rate of illegal immigration, roughly one-fourth the rate of California.
In other words, to the degree that your claim is revealing, it is revealing of your bias.
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:05 am
You personally knew Mary?
Really how old are you?
BTW do you have any proof of her being a virgin? Other than an account written years after the fact?
Oh in other words you do not know of a single case that a person was practicing abstinence and they got pregnant? Shocking!
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
“has anyone that anybody here personally knows ever became pregnant while practicing abstinence?”
I think the more accurate question is: anybody here personally know someone who had sex even though they intended to practice abstinence?
(hand raised)
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
“So how many of those teen pregnacies are anchor babies?”
there’s no such thing
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Midori
You are trying really hard, and I appreciate it. But you shouldn’t be so obsessed with me. You are not really my type. Let me guess. You smoke AND have tattoos,
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
10:15 am
“I wonder why I read only negative blogs about Republicans”
Because you’re a glutton for punishment?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:15 am
“If you can prove that it hasn’t, I’ll give yours consideration”
It’s a false equivalent, what’s to prove? I guess you skipped the day in your research class that dealt with correlations.
But, I’ll help you out here with the generalities of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_and_dependence
Correlation and causalityMain article: Correlation does not imply causation
The conventional dictum that “correlation does not imply causation” means that correlation cannot be used to infer a causal relationship between the variables.[11] This dictum should not be taken to mean that correlations cannot indicate the potential existence of causal relations. However, the causes underlying the correlation, if any, may be indirect and unknown, and high correlations also overlap with identity relations (tautologies), where no causal process exists. Consequently, establishing a correlation between two variables is not a sufficient condition to establish a causal relationship (in either direction). For example, one may observe a correlation between an ordinary alarm clock ringing and daybreak, though there is no direct causal relationship between these events.
A correlation between age and height in children is fairly causally transparent, but a correlation between mood and health in people is less so. Does improved mood lead to improved health, or does good health lead to good mood, or both? Or does some other factor underlie both? In other words, a correlation can be taken as evidence for a possible causal relationship, but cannot indicate what the causal relationship, if any, might be
So, of course you can have the opinion that there is a relationship to violence in teens and abortions, but there is about as much a relationship there as say there are to an apple being a bird.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 24th, 2011
10:15 am
Here’s a chart below, if Democrats want to blame Republicans for African Americans and Hispanics having sex go right ahead, nobody cares… Everything starts with the parents, if you blame the govt for your kid getting pregnant you are a fool…
http://www.cdc.gov/teenpregnancy/AboutTeenPreg.htm
Tommy Maddox
August 24th, 2011
10:15 am
Gee, Texas has a teen pregnancy rate “more than three times higher than that of Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire”. I guess you’ve never seen the women from Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
10:16 am
Bottom line folks…supporting Abstinence only education for kids is a
huge waste of taxpayer money.
Tell them the truth, tell them early and tell them often.
In homes, schools, churches, clubs on street corners if required.
And quit glorifying teen moms on “reality” tv and tabloid magazines.
TGT
August 24th, 2011
10:16 am
On the 2010 release of the abstinence study in the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine:
Well, it’s just the gold standard for intervention research, a bright and shining pinnacle of research design that social science seldom ever reaches: random assignment. In this case 662 black sixth- and seventh-graders in low-income communities were assigned to one of four interventions, plus a control group: abstinence-only education, contraceptive “safer sex” education, two different comprehensive-education programs, plus a control group of kids who received general health education. Even the teachers were randomly assigned to one of the five groups.
The main conclusion of this rigorous clinical trial? “The abstinence-only intervention compared with the health-promotion control intervention reduced by about 33 percent the percentage of students who ever reported having sexual intercourse by the time of the 24-month follow-up, controlling for grade, age and intervention-maintenance condition.”
Wow. Any negative side effects? Are the kids less likely to use condoms? Nope. The authors report that “a randomized controlled trial and a literature review found no effects of abstinence interventions on condom use. Similarly, in this trial the abstinence-only intervention participants did not differ in self-reported consistent condom use compared with the control group.”
How about the contraceptive “safer sex” education program? Did teaching the kids to use condoms make them more likely to use condoms? Remarkably, no. The kids in the control group were just as likely to use condoms as kids given safer-sex education. Well, then, did the comprehensive “abstinence plus” approach do better at increasing condom use, compared to doing nothing? No, it did not either delay sex or increase condom use, either. The abstinence-only approach, in this one rigorous study, was the only one that “worked.”
But abstinence never works, right? I mean, we can train our pets not to poo on the carpet, but we can’t train our teens to wait until marriage?!
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
10:16 am
“USinUK is rolling today
Bong broke?”
Now that’s funny right there.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:16 am
“Was Barnes governor when Georgia had high pregnancy rates?
No. Zell Miller was.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 24th, 2011
10:17 am
Every chart you find shows hispanics by far and away have the highest teen pregnancy rates. I guess it’s Rick Perry or George Bush’s fault that Texas borders with Mexico. LOL
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
10:18 am
“Because you’re a glutton for punishment?”
today DOES seem to be martyrdom day here at Bookman’s House of Blog
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
10:18 am
Midori: Speaking of Rush, he’s now on a mission to identify all of Obama’s previous girlfriends. Maybe he wants to interview them to see what he’s doing wrong?
Well, with all those trips to the Dominican Republic and all that Viagara he’s been taking – maybe his problem is that he has to PAY for his dates and use copious amounts of Viagara just to, ummmmm, feel frisky.
Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours Monday at the airport after returning from a vacation in the Dominican Republic. Customs officials found the Viagra in his luggage but his name was not on the prescription
And finding all of Obama’s previous girlfriends, you don’t think Rush is looking for a brown Monica Lewinsky or even better an illegitimate baby do you?
MR: BTW, abstinence is the only birth control method that does work. It is ignorant to deny this fact.
It’s also ignorant to deny the fact that teenagers are going to have sex. Try and remember back when you were a teenager, (I’ll give you some time ’cause I know you’re going to have go WAY back and it might take a few minutes)>
Jimmy62
August 24th, 2011
10:18 am
Abstinence does work. It’s absolutely impossible to get pregnant if you are abstinent. Except for certain Jewish women named Mary.
Abstinence as a policy? Not gonna work.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
10:18 am
GLL… I completely agree. It is odd and certainly very creepy that YOU can’t differentiate between parenting skills and the discussion of the acts of a governor. I know these are nuances, but these are not even subtle ones.
Do try to remember to discuss the post and not attack the poster especially with your failures in logic.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
10:19 am
Adam,
Thank you for giving the GOP government credit for reducing teen pregnancy in Georgia.
And I’ll give President Obama for leading from his behind in Libya.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
10:19 am
Ok, I subjected myself to that clip.
Yeah, it’s eerily W-Bushian, that horrid stutter-as-you-try-not-to-sound-like-a-complete-moron (e.g., “the fact of the matter is it is the best form of — uh — to teach our children”), the shameless straw-man deflection (”if the point is, we’re gonna stand up here ‘n say ‘y’all go ‘n have sex n’ go have whatever’s goin’ on”), the apparent inability to suss out what big words like “disconnect” mean in context…
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:19 am
Bosch – I believe it was either Newsweek or Time, but I can’t remember. Not important though, cause it isn’t germane to the argument. Gordon does make a good point, why can’t we have something to argue about where Jay puts up something about Obama’s accomplishments. It typically turns to that point anyway. Why not start there?
GLL – I think you would probably be surprised in that many of these teens that get pregnant are very religious and probably conservative. Typically because many religious (more to do with it than politics in my opinion) parents refuse to talk to their children about the dangers of premarital sex (or sex in general). My parents just gave me a book telling me it was evil and left it at that. Religion is probably more responsible than anything (my opinion!).
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:19 am
Adam
That wouldn’t do it It would be easy to discover that 10% of the population was responsible for 90% of the teen births. Since I am a conservative, I would think that it would be more the kids that were raised as wards of the state and were not properly taught any sort of morality.
But you never know about those sorts of things. It might be the kids that are raised in church that are having more kids than kids raised in the ghettos, but I doubt it.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
10:20 am
Here is an informative educational study of our climate for the last 2000 years that intelligent students of climate change will find interesting.
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:20 am
I suppose it flew right over my head GG, as I don’t see the humor in it.
or perhaps GLL can tell me where to get it fixed?
He seems to know every aspect and business in Atlanta.
Perhaps he can share more of his infinite wisdom?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:20 am
TGT: Is that study peer reviewed and available as a link?
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
10:20 am
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Um Isn’t California in the top ten in Teen Pregnancy rate with around 95 pregnancies per 1000?
Arne’t they also in the top ten in abortions by teens per 1000 with around 35?
So are you celebrating their sucess at aborting their babies before they are able to be counted as teen birth rates?
Tommy Maddox
August 24th, 2011
10:21 am
Jay – did the statistics you drew from state the demographic breakdown of the pregnancy rates?
Jm
August 24th, 2011
10:21 am
Jay, question for you since you’re around and a media guy.
How much credibility do you feel MSNBC still has after hiring Al Sharpton, an activist without ANY journalism training, to fill their lineup?
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:21 am
DDR – I remember when that happened.
Lit up the blogosphere.
Rush is on his fourth wife, and still can’t get it right.
What a loser.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:22 am
Keep Up
Teen pregnancy is the issue here. As much as you might have a problem with parental influence on the topic, I think it is an important part. You do think that others should have a say in expressing their opinion, don’t you?
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:22 am
GLL: It would be very interesting to find out if the parents of teens that get pregnant are a majority of liberals or conservatives.
Well, of the 20 states with the lowest teen birth rates, 18 voted for Obama and two voted for Bush.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:23 am
irrational,
Are you serious? Wingnuts can’t go one page without every topic here pointing to Obama = failure.
And the only people I see who equate Obama to a divine character are wingnuts, so, not sure what the point is.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:23 am
How much credibility do you feel MSNBC still has after hiring Al Sharpton, an activist without ANY journalism training, to fill their lineup?
about the same as Fox’s credibility for hiring Sean Hannity, a shrill shill without ANY journalism training, to fill Fox’s lineup?
deegee
August 24th, 2011
10:24 am
“Non-Hispanic black youth, Hispanic/Latino youth, American Indian/Alaska Native youth, and socioeconomically disadvantaged youth of any race or ethnicity experience the highest rates of teen pregnancy and childbirth.”
I live in N. Georgia. Poor white teenagers get pregnant at a high rate but at least they keep it all in the family.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:24 am
Midori
You HAVE to stop thinking about me, girl. It is NEVER going to happen.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:25 am
gotta go put food on my family.
GLL – don’t buy up too much of those lavish houses that rent for $500 while I’m gone.
Friends don’t let friends buy stupid.
pat
August 24th, 2011
10:25 am
Here’s your evidence, put it in your pipe and smoke it:
“In 2005, more than 73,000 girls aged 15-19 years got
pregnant in Texas, and 58% (42,000) were Latina teens.9 More than half
of all Latina girls experience a pregnancy before they turn twenty years of
age.10 It is projected that by 2015 the Texas teen pregnancy rate will
increase by 13%, resulting in a projected teen pregnancy rate of 127 per
1000 Texas women aged 15-19 years.11 This increase is primarily due to
the changing demographics and projected growth in the number of Latino
adolescents in Texas.”
58% of Teen pregnancies are latina. They comprise 38% of the population and 58% of the teen pregnancies….
It’s an immigration problem, not an education problem….
http://digitalcommons.library.tmc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=childrenatrisk&sei-redir=1#search=%22hispanic%20teen%20pregnancy%20texas%22
Oh wait so, now let’s rag on the sources the ‘Journal of Applied Research on Children’ Must be a right wing conspiracy rag….
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
10:26 am
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Unless you were raped it was your choice to not remain abstinet. If you were raped I am sorry and hope the SOB who did it is reciving the same daily in prision.
Peoples lack of will power does not mean a concept doesn’t work. If they don’t have the will power to not have sex, what are the chances the will power to stop everything and put on a jimmy capper?
What plan on teen pregnancy has worked? It went back up in 2006! The biggest way to get kids to not get pregnant is explain in detail the consequences of having a baby as a teen. explain how hard it will be and hopefully that will motivate them enough to make the right decision.
Utimately the decision will be made by 13-18 yr olds, if we like it or not!
jm
August 24th, 2011
10:26 am
A. Midori, I didn’t ask you.
B. Fine lambast Fox all you want. They have some hacks, but that’s not what I asked about.
C. MSNBC appears to have shed all credibility if they ever had any.
(Notwithstanding the fact that I like Chris Matthews)
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:26 am
jm, I don’t consider talk-show hosts to be journalists in any form or fashion. They are media figures, celebrities, entertainers, etc. But not journalists.
As a general rule, if you’ve never covered a county commission or city council meeting, you’re not a journalist.
As to Sharpton, he’s for the most part a clown, although he has his serious moments and serious things to say. Ditto for Limbaugh.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
10:26 am
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:20 am
I suppose it flew right over my head GG, as I don’t see the humor in it.
?????
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:26 am
GLL – I didn’t start the fire. You did.
Later folks.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:27 am
sorry Mrs G – was talking to Godless Heathern.
Don't Forget
August 24th, 2011
10:27 am
So, I’m guessing that most, or even some, of the conservatives here have never had pre marital sex. Anyone care to relate their personal history of abstinance only? Something tells me this is “do as I say” no “do as I do”.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:27 am
Jay
See my 10:19.
So kids that were raised in conservative households, probably in church are more likely to become pregnant than kids raised in secular households where abortion and out of wedlock sex is accepted.
Interesting POV, Jay.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
10:28 am
jm
August 24th, 2011
10:26 am
A. Midori, I didn’t ask you.
never stopped “YOU” from jumping into my converstations, feet first…………
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
10:28 am
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:14 am
Midori
You are trying really hard, and I appreciate it. But you shouldn’t be so obsessed with me. You are not really my type. Let me guess. You smoke AND have tattoos,
____________
Ooohhhh… a new effort at code insults. Smoking and tattoos…..
What is it with some posters believes that others are obsessed with them? I suspect it reflects their own mental instability.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:28 am
Bosch – I wasn’t trying to argue. I was simply agreeing that maybe Jay should put up a blog posting touting Obama’s accomplishments. Right after that I said the discussion usually ends up with us all arguing about that anyway, so why not start there for once? I was also simply pointing out that it was in one of the two (I just looked it up and it was Newsweek) magazines that I listed that claimed that Obama was sort of a god. Once again, I’m not trying to argue. This is one topic I actually agree with y’all on.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
10:28 am
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
10:18 am
Earlier you were jealous of Sara Palin and now Rush. I think if you will accomplish something yourself you will find those feelings of envy will go away. You were right about me having to go back a long way to remember my teen years. Having grown up in Southern California it was cars, surf and chicks. You would be surprised what a sixteen year old with ten dollars could do in Tiajuana.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:29 am
Midori
Put food on your family?
How does your family feel about that?
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:29 am
GLL, who are you quoting there?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:29 am
pat: Yes, a lot of teen pregnancies are Hispanic. Does that mean it’s all about illegal immigration? No, that metric wasn’t there. How about immigration in general? Only if you assert that only Hispanics immigrate….
jm
August 24th, 2011
10:30 am
Jay 10:26 – well so if all the media outlets go the route of mixing entertainment and “reporting”, who is the public supposed to trust for unbiased information and insight into the world’s events?
As I figure nowadays, Bloomberg is the best….
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
10:30 am
Are you serious? Libbies can’t go one page without every topic here pointing to Bush = failure.
Fixed your sentence, Bosch.
Ayn Rant
August 24th, 2011
10:31 am
Does anyone see the paradox: children are the result of sex, but children must not learn about sex? Or, children, who are the result of naked genital contact between parents, and who suckle at their mothers’ breast, should not be exposed to diagrams and images of adult genitals and breasts?
Until recent times, parents and children rarely had much privacy from one another. Often children slept in close proximity to their parents, and were well aware that sex was a vital part of adult life. Those children didn’t need sex education in school; modern children do.
JOE C00L
August 24th, 2011
10:33 am
“How much credibility do you feel MSNBC still has after hiring Al Sharpton, an activist without ANY journalism training, to fill their lineup?”
Guess it would be something like FOX hiring Glenn Beck with no college education.
I guess you can say, they BOTH have no traditional journalism education and life has been their education.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:33 am
jm: well so if all the media outlets go the route of mixing entertainment and “reporting”, who is the public supposed to trust for unbiased information and insight into the world’s events?
If all the media outlets are going as you suggest, it’s because the public has signaled pretty clearly that it doesn’t WANT “unbiased information and insight into the world’s events.”
If there is demand for something, someone will produce it.
No demand, then no supply.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
10:33 am
Do the Cons preach abstinence because they are afraid Obama will tax sex? Inquiring minds and all that…
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
10:33 am
Don’t Forget
August 24th, 2011
10:27 am
So based on your theory we should all tell our kids to speed while driving but make sure their mirrors are adjusted, if we ourselves have ever been guilty of speeding?
I have done many dangerous or careless things in my life that I would not want my kids to do and would attempt to discourage them from doing so. Or do you not tell your kids to not do anything that you yourself may have done?
pat
August 24th, 2011
10:33 am
Adam the link is there, read the report….
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:34 am
godless heathen: Are you serious? Libbies can’t go one page without every topic here pointing to Bush = failure.
Fixed your sentence, Bosch.
Well, you’re both wrong, but Bosch is closer to being right than you.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:34 am
Keep Up
LOL!!
I think you know me well enough to know that I don’t code insults.
And please. Try to control your feelings for me, no matter what those feelings are. Out of the posts you have rendered today, how many have been desperate attempts to pick a fight with me?
Get a clue, Pal. you are a little obsessed and it’s just downright creepy.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:34 am
irrational,
Personally I’m glad that Jay has put up a topic that has another area for discussing opinions like teen pregnancy, even if he uses Perry as the catalyst. After bloggin here for many years, I know that the topic will eventually get to how bad Obama sucks for the wingnuts — but for now, I’m glad it’s something new.
Maybe next Jay can have a gun control thread — boy does that get the dander flowing.
Generation$crewed
August 24th, 2011
10:34 am
Normal
August 24th, 2011
10:33 am
Not tax it, regulate sex.
Get it together. Taxing only applies to the rich, everyone from all walks has sex.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2011
10:36 am
As shown, Perry could care less about the other world.
Don't Forget
August 24th, 2011
10:36 am
GS, you completely missed the point.
Good little liberal
August 24th, 2011
10:37 am
Jay
You seemed to infer that in conservatives states that since the unwed births were higher, that it must be conservatives that were not teaching their children. As I said, it would be interesting, but impossible to prove. I personally think that kids raised in households that support abortion and out of wedlock sex would have more teen pregnancies, but that is an opinion. There is no way to prove it. (Or disprove it)
jm
August 24th, 2011
10:38 am
Jay 10:33 –
no doubt. econ 101….
There will still be a market for unbiased reporting, though it may be pretty small. Bloomberg!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
10:38 am
Jay, maaan – 62 out of 100 is NOT 62% – try moving the decimal over – 6.2%
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
10:38 am
sorry, 62 out of 1000
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
10:40 am
egads, I must apologize – i misread the stat – sorry, again. this is a bad day thus far.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:40 am
Bosch – I agree, I’ve just never seen one (admittedly, I take frequent breaks from the blog, and haven’t been here that long) touting Obama. It is typically all bad. I’m just asking questions. Teen pregnancies are something that definitely needs to be addressed in this country, but I’m not going to pretend I know the answer. Abstinence education didn’t work when I was in high school, and it doesn’t work today. However, abstinence does work, it just isn’t realistic to expect your children to practice it unless you supervise them 24/7.
Now, I’m not sure what y’all mean by gun control, I was taught that gun control was hitting what I was shooting at. Possibly using both hands to control it better.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Don't Tread
August 24th, 2011
10:40 am
Perry = Bush. Who didn’t see THAT coming?
In other news, King Obama has decided to “selectively enforce” some laws and completely make others on his own via Executive Orders.
This is how tyranny gets started.
Stevie Ray
August 24th, 2011
10:40 am
Jay, I’m still from Missouri on the whole global warming thingy. The link you referred to includes two key words that jumped off the page and innuendos between the lines. “Models” and “hypothesis” remain the pure justification in favor of throwing piles of money at this conclusion. Between the lines, climatology as a science ain’t exactly calculus and has no measurable batting average on a historical basis. Checking the motives, I’m also concerned climatology’s recognition as bona fide science skews the opinon playing field as their is money to be made.
Also, I’m wondering how you can compare actual pregnancy data (verifiable) to hypothesis?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 24th, 2011
10:40 am
“Well, of the 20 states with the lowest teen birth rates, 18 voted for Obama and two voted for Bush.”
We know that African Americans and Hispanics have the highest teen birth rates. We know that the majority of minorities vote for Democrats because they believe they will be given more handouts. So, we know that people who have been proven to have the highest teen pregnancy rates vote for a Democrat.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:41 am
Paddy, my number is accurate.
It was a 62 percent decrease in the rate. There is no mention of the rate being 62 percent.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
10:42 am
Adam,
Actually it was the first page of this blog, the 13th comment when Mr. Bosch himself took a slam at the former President Bush.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:43 am
irrational,
Well, for one thing, Jay is the left-wing opinion writer — but as a seasoned blog veteran, I’ve seen plenty of lefties (including Jay) calling out Obama when they disagreed with him.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:43 am
Don’t Tread In other news, King Obama has decided to “selectively enforce” some laws, just like his predescessor did, and after a couple of years of enforcing immigration to the MAX with a promise that doing so would lead to talks of immigration reform in Congress.
FYT
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
10:43 am
question is: how is the pregnancy rate being lowered? less fornication or more abortion? If it is the latter, it is NOT a good solution.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
10:43 am
Since 1996, more than $1.5 billion in federal and state matching funds have been committed to abstinence-only programs(SIECUS, 2006b). Because of the requirement that states match federal funds for abstinence-only programs, state dollars that previously supported comprehensive, medically accurate sexuality education — which includes but is not limited to abstinence education — have been diverted to abstinence-only programs
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
10:43 am
Jay – yeah, sorry – I saw the 62 out of 100 and thought the 62% reduction number was a reflection of that – read it too quick – again, I am sorry about that.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:43 am
So (ir)Rational, I guess yesterday’s blog stating that the Libya outcome is validating Obama’s approach doesn’t count?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:44 am
gh,
Yeah, and where in that post do I equate Bush to being a failure as you wrote?
Answer: no where. Twisting and manipulating does not make your argument sir.
Zedd
August 24th, 2011
10:44 am
Yawn! Is that the best you can come up with Jay? Why no mention of the fact that our president, Homeland Security, and ICE are blatantly ignoring the rule of law in this country to appease the Hispanics and try and secure potential future Democratic votes? For shame!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
10:45 am
The vast majority of Americans and parents support comprehensive, medically accurate sexuality education. Approximately 82 percent of Americans and 75 percent of parents want their children to receive a variety of information on subjects including contraception and condom use, sexually transmitted infection, sexual orientation, safer sex practices, abortion, communications and coping skills, and the emotional aspects of sexual relationships. Only 36 percent of Americans support abstinence-only educational programs, and 56 percent of Americans do not believe that abstinence-only programs prevent sexually transmitted infections or unintended pregnancies. Given the choice, only one to five percent of parents remove their children from responsible sexuality education courses (Albert, 2004; Bleakley et al., 2006; Guttmacher Institute, 2002; KFF, 2000; Kirby, 1999; Research!America and APHA, 2004).
Recent studies have shown that parental opinions regarding sexuality education are similar within states that teach comprehensive sexuality education and states that mandate abstinence education. A 2007 survey of California parents found that regardless of educational attainment, political or religious affiliation, or place of residence, nearly 90 percent believe their children should have comprehensive sex education in the classroom (Mangaliman, 2007). A 2006 survey of parents in North Carolina — a state that mandates abstinence education — found that 91 percent of parents support sexuality education in the schools, with 89 percent supporting comprehensive sexuality education (Ito et al., 2006).
pat
August 24th, 2011
10:45 am
Well this myth is busted…Imigration, not education is the problem in Texas….Bring on the next liberal talking point.
If you have to omit facts to make a point, your probably don’t have a point….
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:45 am
godless heathen: Bosch said in his 13th comment: Yes, because we all know that you can just NOT have sex, just like we all know you just STOP breathing…
I am not seeing the Bush swipe.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:45 am
“are blatantly ignoring the rule of law in this country to appease the Hispanics and try and secure potential future Democratic votes?”
Because again, those are false comparisons and can never be proved?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:46 am
godless heathen: And as we all know, a sampling of a single blog post is all you need to prove your point
jm
August 24th, 2011
10:46 am
I’m going to chalk declining teen pregnancy up to neither abstinence or education.
It’s really just declining male fertility.
(only 1/2 kidding)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101129111737.htm
pat
August 24th, 2011
10:47 am
A link from planned parenthood really? The largest abortion provider in the nation? I don’t trust the words of murderers. That’s like taking relationship advice from Ted Bundy.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
10:47 am
Regarding global warming models: Just remember the exact same people who are using computer models to forecast the climate of the entire earth for the next century are the same ones who cannot predict with any certainty where hurricane Irene will land this week. Seriously, can anyone keep a straight face when discussing gobal climate predictions.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
10:47 am
(ir): Debbie – thank you very much for adding to my already great mood. Not positive where it came from, but I’m extremely happy this morning. Maybe I should cut back on the Mt. Dew?
Mountain Dew is the Champagne of the south. Recognize!
parents refuse to talk to their children about the dangers of premarital sex (or sex in general). My parents just gave me a book telling me it was evil and left it at that
Did it work?
Granny: And quit glorifying teen moms on “reality” tv and tabloid magazines
I watch Teen Mom religiously!! One of my favorite shows. Since watching TeenMom (on MTV) I’ve found out that I never,ever,ever,ever,ever,EVAH want to have kids. I’m not a teen but that show has been the best teacher of what can happen if you don’t protect yourself EVERY TIME than any of the Sex Ed I got in High School.
TGT
August 24th, 2011
10:47 am
Link to the study I referenced: http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/164/2/152
Jay
August 24th, 2011
10:47 am
Or the post quoting Roubini’s defense of Obama on the economy?
Or the one saying the administration is right to investigate S&P’s rating performance in the Wall Street meltdown, an investigation begun well before S&P’s downgrade of US debt?
Or …. well, I could go on.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:47 am
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
9:34 am
And yes, Perry looks and sounds EXACTLY like Bush. Eeeekkk!!
Adam,
I’m assuming he means that one.
Reading comprehension is not the wingnut forte.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:48 am
Bosch – I’m not asking why he doesn’t criticize Obama (I’m trying to understand if you’re just having reading comp problems today or what, seriously, said, well typed, with no malice intended). I’m asking why he doesn’t do a blog praising his accomplishments? That’s what I’m curious about. I understand that he isn’t going to do a blog, especially regularly, slamming him. The fact that he has in the past, is one of the few things that keeps me coming back. The regular posters, is the main thing though (sorry Jay). Y’all are just funny (both sides of the aisle).
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Zedd
August 24th, 2011
10:48 am
Bosch – Come on dude, it’s happening right under your damn fool nose and yet all you say is those are false comparisons and can never be proved. Another idiot response from the peanut gallery.
JOE C00L
August 24th, 2011
10:48 am
“majority of minorities vote for Democrats because they believe they will be given more handouts.”
Hmmmmm,maybe its because Republicans dont really give a shty about minorities. Once again, it goes back to my point which is, when was the last time you’ve seen a Republican politician in a “minority” community? I’ll wait….
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:50 am
irrational,
Well, Jay is here, ask him. But as I’ve written, I’ve seen Jay criticize Obama just like other lefties when they have disagreed with him.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
10:50 am
Bosch, your clear implication was:
Perry = failure, Perry = Bush, ergo Bush = failure.
If being only being literal counts, I searched this whole blog and the only time I found “Obama = failure” was in your post.
Don't Forget
August 24th, 2011
10:50 am
Hmmmm, still no conservative willing to step up and talk about how they were abstinate before marriage. Seems like you would have to show at least a few examples of someone who actually WAS abstinate before you would recommend this as a strategy to control teen pregnancy.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
10:50 am
Midori: Rush is on his fourth wife, and still can’t get it
rightUp.Fixed your typo
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2011
10:51 am
Rasmussen today….. only 21% of the electorate strongly approve of Bozo…… 44% strongly disapprove. Reported today….. a generic Republican is 5 percentage points ahead of Bozo if the election was held today. 66% still feel that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Only 21% believe that Bozo is handling our economy correctly.
Those pesky statistics just won’t seem to go away. And Bookman posts a thread blaming Perry for all of the little girls in Texas getting pregnant. Are you running out of ammunition, Bookman or is the obvious still alluding you and all of your liberal love fest?
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:51 am
Debbie – Mt. Dew is WAY better than Champagne. To answer your question, no, it didn’t work. Didn’t end up with any kids (and I’m not sure that I want any, I’ve always considered pregnancy a STD), but didn’t really practice that whole “abstinence” thing either. I was just smarter than your average idiot and knew that pregnancy = bad, so I took steps to prevent it.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
10:52 am
pat: 10:45a: Glad you feel so proud of yourself having debunked a “liberal lie” by using data that doesn’t say what you think it says. The report mentions both Texas and California as having very high amounts of Hispanics, and yet Texas is the only one of those two with a teen pregnancy problem. It mentions nothing about immigration as a cause of the problem, but presents only data related to how to help prevent teen pregnancies (none of which indicate anything about immigration at all). In fact, its major recommendation is to implement “evidence-based sexual health education
programs”
Nice try though. I love it when cons think they have facts to back them up, but upon examination of said facts, and being ENCOURAGED to read them by the cons, people find something entirely different.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:52 am
“Bosch, your clear implication was:
Perry = failure, Perry = Bush, ergo Bush = failure.
If being only being literal counts, I searched this whole blog and the only time I found “Obama = failure” was in your post.”
No gh, my clear implication was that Perry reminded me alot of Bush in that clip. If you want to project more meaning into what others say, that’s your business, but don’t go putting YOUR words in my mouth sir.
And if you also want to cherry pick what others type, then be careful what you type from now on.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:53 am
Bosch – once again, reading comprehension problems? Nothing to do with him criticizing Obama. I was being completely serious. Good suggestion though.
Jay – why no (or more?) columns praising Obama’s accomplishments? Just curious.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
10:54 am
Adam,
pat seems to have some kind of disorder that what he posts actually contradicts his ideas. Weird.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
10:54 am
DDR
I can understand how yu an adult female could feel about Teen Mom…
but think about it from the point of a teen girl….longing for her 15 minutes of fame and ending up with a lifetime or responsibility.
ALSO, love for you to re-think motherhood – you’d be wonderful.
Stevie Ray
August 24th, 2011
10:54 am
Jay, you are spot on about S&P. It is clear that they either didn’t understand CDO’s et al or simply succombed to the pressure from paying customers to overlook the composition of the pools of mortgages. Ergo, the velocity of the real estate market’s demise was certainly influenced by favorable ratings of otherwise “junk”.
I do agree that US credit rating deserved a hit if no simply for the fact that we had to borrow money to continue to finance our lifestyle. If you believe the worst case, we had to borrow money to avoid defaulting on our obligations on borrowed money. Kinda comical don’t you agree?
willydoit?
August 24th, 2011
10:54 am
Abstinence?? Telling teenagers to just say no to sex would be like telling Jay Bookman he can no longer write opinion pieces!
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
10:55 am
Pat 10:25 a.m. Regarding Latina Pregnancies in Texas: It’s an immigration problem, not an education problem…
Quick question – how do you know that every Latina that gets pregnant is an immigrant and NOT a US Citizen? Just asking….
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
10:56 am
If our government quit paying researchers to prove the existence of global warming and instead paid them to prove global cooling, they would find an abundance of evidence supporting the theory of cooling. You get what you pay for.
willydoit?
August 24th, 2011
10:56 am
DebbieDoRight 10:55
How will we know they are a citizen…we’re not allowed to ask????
Libertarian
August 24th, 2011
10:58 am
Technically speaking, abstinence “works.” Only problem is that very few teenagers these days practice abstinence.
Stevie Ray
August 24th, 2011
10:58 am
IrRational, John Gault reference, as far as referring to the fact that on most current issues do not enjoy the support of solid evidence for either side. I must say however, that my favorite character of Rand’s is Howard Rourke. Perhaps we should blow up this DC thing that has evolved which now is being fueled by motives never contemplated…..
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
10:59 am
I would say that Latina and African American and redneck pregnancies are a cultural issue. If it appears (at least) acceptable in your culture for a 15 or 16 year old girl to get pregnant, then what is going to stop you. Without any data to back this up, I would bet that the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the US are among middle/upper class Asians. Who has time to get pregnant when you have a schedule for every second of your day? Like I said, no actual data, but if you think about it, it makes sense.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
ByteMe
August 24th, 2011
11:00 am
So this must be the “Texas Miracle” we keep hearing about. 3rd highest underage birth rate. What else has been so great about the Texas Miracle?
5th highest homicide rate per 100,000 population.
highest property crime rate per 100,000 population.
13th highest STD rate per 100,000 population.
10th highest percent of children living below the poverty line in the past 12 months (that line is about $22K per year for a family of 4, by the way).
8th highest percent of people over 65 living below poverty level in past 12 months (yes, let’s make them all pay for their own healthcare!).
8th highest drunk driving accident incidence.
It’s a MIRACLE!!
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:00 am
Stevie Ray – Howard Roark is an awesome character. Made all the more awesome by the fact that he is an architect.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:00 am
godless heathen: Perry = failure, Perry = Bush, ergo Bush = failure.
That would be a logical fallacy.
Thomas
August 24th, 2011
11:01 am
Hmmmmm,maybe its because Republicans dont really give a shty about minorities. Once again, it goes back to my point which is, when was the last time you’ve seen a Republican politician in a “minority” community? I’ll wait….
It happens about as many times Dems out give charitably the Repubs- rarely to never.
One has to love the political “gotchas”
cosby smith
August 24th, 2011
11:01 am
What else can you expect from Jay..hunt for any and everything to discredit a Republican. Fair and Balanced. Perhpas a change in society could help..like get the government off the role of the parent and hold everyone accountable. Look into these births and I bet the greatest percentage are from those on the government take and many have multiple births. Yep, it is the Republicans fault and the government should pay / reward women to have kids. yea right Jay!
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:02 am
Also godless heathen, the reason you can’t find “Obama” in relation to failure on this blog is because the people who hate him refuse to use his real name. Try searching “Bozo” or “Odumba”
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:02 am
irrational,
I have to say I agree with you 10:59 — a friend of mine who grew up in the sticks of Alabama told me once (and I’ve had others who grew up in poor minority neighborhoods as well tell me this) — “what else was there to do?”
Thomas
August 24th, 2011
11:03 am
Until we have Pres willing to sacrifice his or herself and come out with a comprensive plan that includes energy, illegal immigration, gov’t spending including healthcare we will all simply waste our time squeezing a balloon
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:03 am
“That would be a logical fallacy.”
Adam,
Or better known as the core of wingnut logic.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
11:03 am
Well Adam, in your spare time why don’t you go back through the past 5 years of Jay’s blogs and tabulate the number of times that Bush is blamed for bad things and the number of times that Obama is blamed. Get back to us with the results.
Stevie Ray
August 24th, 2011
11:03 am
irRational, don’t forget our pal Howard was also a demolitions specialist…literally and figuratively….sometimes you need to destroy what you created if original value is compromised….Perhaps we should start by outsourcing congress to India and blowing up K Street (figuratively of course for the sensors)…
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:04 am
cosby smith – It isn’t Jay’s job to be fair or balanced. He writes an opinion blog, and doesn’t present himself as a reporter in this arena, therefore he is expected to give his opinion.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
11:04 am
A link from planned parenthood really? The largest abortion provider in the nation? I don’t trust the words of murderers. That’s like taking relationship advice from Ted Bundy.
This crap?
Again?
“Murder” is a legal definition.
Abortion is not illegal.
I can understand that you don’t like abortion, but using made up definitions to post hyperbole is just puerile.
N-GA
August 24th, 2011
11:04 am
I didn’t read every post so this may have been mentioned already.
Listen to the transcript of Perry with your eyes closed. What do you hear?
It’s the voice of George Bush!!!!!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:05 am
RE global warming: It is highly possible that our pumping tons of exhaust from factories all over the world is causing a problem with our atmosphere. However, determining the direct formula and causal connection is problematic. Also, the fact that we have such a poor track record of simple 24 hours weather forecasts indicates there are other factors at work that we don’t know or fail to recognize.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:05 am
Off topic, but yes, Glen Beck has gone insane:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/24/glenn-beck-in-israel-restoring-courage-and-armageddon.html
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
11:05 am
Generations: Peoples lack of will power does not mean a concept doesn’t work. If they don’t have the will power to not have sex
Unfortuantely sex is a physical need — God put the urge for us to have sex because he knew that would be the only way to keep the species up. I mean when you think about it, without sex, why would a woman, who spent 25 hours in labor, EVER have sex again?
I knowWhat plan on teen pregnancy has worked? It went back up in 2006! The biggest way to get kids to not get pregnant is explain in detail the consequences of having a baby as a teen. explain how hard it will be and hopefully that will motivate them enough to make the right decision.
I’m in BBBS and that’s what I do for my “Littles” — I take them once a month (maybe a little less) to a teen shelter that houses pregnant homeless teens. I let that become their “reality series”.
MR: Earlier you were jealous of Sara Palin and now Rush
I’m jealous of Sara ’cause she’s sooo smart, and Rush because he’s such a fine specimen of manhood that I wish he was mine.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA sorry — I couldn’t help it — I was trying so hard to NOT laugh while I typed that!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:06 am
kamchak – prior to the civil war, slavery was legal – using it as a crutch to validate immoral behavior is pretty pathetic – if you were in GA in 1860 – how many slaves would you own, based on your faulty logic?
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
11:07 am
Jay, I give credit to Obama for the apparent Libyan success. The proof is in the puding. He gets credit for the assasination of Bin Laden as well. Can’t think of anything else though.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:07 am
Until we have Pres willing to sacrifice his or herself and come out with a comprensive plan that includes energy, illegal immigration, gov’t spending including healthcare we will all simply waste our time squeezing a balloon
Jeez. I was at least expecting the cons to WAIT until Obama released his jobs plan to suddenly claim jobs weren’t important, it was something else (moving the goal posts). Guess they’re starting early.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:08 am
godless heathen: Well Adam, in your spare time why don’t you go back through the past 5 years of Jay’s blogs and tabulate the number of times that Bush is blamed for bad things and the number of times that Obama is blamed. Get back to us with the results.
If I had that kind of spare time, and access to the database, I would certainly do that.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:08 am
Bosch – Can’t remember the study, but something I read once, they lowered the pregnancy rate (not just teen but across the board) in certain parts of Africa and Asia simply by putting a TV in the community center and providing them with satellite. Where I grew up, there wasn’t anything else to do, and there were a lot of pregnant girls in my high school.
Stevie Ray – Couldn’t agree more, but it is only the people that have gone awry in DC, the buildings are beautiful, lets keep them. Well, I’m sure I could find a few that I wouldn’t mind destroying, but for the most part, they’re worth keeping.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
11:08 am
Bosch…gone insane? Wasn’t he already insane?
Kam, its also funny how those who are unable to distinguish between murder and lawful actions are also unable to discern that a website with posted footnotes to the supporting studies for the information there is not dismissed merely because of the irrate illogical rant of nonsubstance.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
11:09 am
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
11:05 am
Confession is good for the soul.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2011
11:09 am
Listen to the transcript of Perry with your eyes closed. What do you hear?
It’s the voice of George Bush!!!!!
Well, you’re right as rain. I’m in heaven! This proves there’s a God! They can take their two-term limit and shove it. I’m getting My President back.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:09 am
Debbie,
My nieces grew up in a community where babies were like fashion accessories. I can not believe at least one of them did not get pregnant just because it was the thing to do. The problem I saw was that the parents did not make their daughter/son responsible for the upbringing, they took over the responsibilities themselves. The girls would have a baby one day and be at the football game the next Friday night!
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:10 am
Bosch – really? Glen Beck has GONE insane? Don’t you mean he was always insane?
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
pat
August 24th, 2011
11:10 am
Well Adam, that’s because while the actual number of hispanics are more in CA they account for less of the population than they do in TX. The numbers are clear. 58% of the teen pregnancies in TX are hispanics, most of which are here illegally. That is the fact…You remove that 58%, and TX acually has one of the lowest rates in the country.
Illegal immigration has skwed the number in TX.
Do you really want talk about CA, with the 2nd highest unemploument in the nation, one of the highest taxest rates and the mass exodus of business from the state, really? The state is on the verge of economic collapse, it’s representatives are corrupt, I could go on and on.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
11:10 am
…if you were in GA in 1860 – how many slaves would you own, based on your faulty logic?
Zero,
Another episode of one word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:10 am
Paddy O: RE global warming: It is highly possible that our pumping tons of exhaust from factories all over the world is causing a problem with our atmosphere. However, determining the direct formula and causal connection is problematic. Also, the fact that we have such a poor track record of simple 24 hours weather forecasts indicates there are other factors at work that we don’t know or fail to recognize.
Whatever. I’m done arguing with armchair scientists. Believe what you want, and get left in the dust when it’s more and more proven. Just like with each iteration of Obama proving his citizenship, and when the church believed the sun moves, not the earth, because the bible says so.
Gator Joe
August 24th, 2011
11:11 am
Jay,
Gov. Perry and other politicians of his ilk say what makes their uninformed, ill informed, unreasoning supporters feel better, though their “ideas” do little else. What is most disturbing about Perry, is that he actually believes the nonsense he brings forth in speeches and interviews. Anyway, as a Democrat, and President Obama supporter, I’m happy he’s in the race.
ragnar danneskjold
August 24th, 2011
11:11 am
A thoughtful essay that explains cogently why Texas has the strongest economy among the 50. “Lack of a nanny state.”
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:13 am
irrational,
I remember one time Johnny Carson joking around about how many kids he was responsible for – i.e. how many kids were conceived while his TV show was on.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:13 am
pat: most of which are here illegally.
You know, I read the article, and didn’t see that assertion. Could you please point me to where it says that. Thanks in advance.
Do you really want talk about CA, with the 2nd highest unemploument in the nation, one of the highest taxest rates and the mass exodus of business from the state, really?
No, I don’t want to talk about an argument that you just brought up as a means to support a completely unrelated argument that you are finding hard to back up on its own merits, thanks.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:13 am
irrational/Keep,
Did y’all READ that article? It’s really freaky!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:14 am
feminism & moral relativism – key guides to young women fornicating.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:14 am
getalife: So, is it okay to call cons retards now?
No, but you can call them less smart than you
Paulo977
August 24th, 2011
11:14 am
Bosch
“what else was there to do?”
Great response !
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:15 am
“Zero,
Another episode of one word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.”
Not me man, I’d have thousands! I am, after all, a lazy, do nothing liberal!
Libertarian
August 24th, 2011
11:15 am
In theory, I don’t necessarily think its the job of schools to teach kids about sex, other than from a biological standpoint of how it works (sperm, egg, etc.) But, in practicality, there are so many parents who are not involved and who do a poor job of actually being parents….so, from a practical standpoint, I think schools should be giving out condoms and teaching kids about them since parents won’t.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:15 am
and the arrogant liberals keep crying for relevency. ostriches with asinine idealism.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
11:15 am
Somehow the continued funding of abstinence only education is now as basis for a claim of the “lack of nanny state” and thus the conclusion that the teaching failure results in the strongest economy…
Did you follow the logic or did you get lost at the donut shop?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
11:15 am
The numbers are clear. 58% of the teen pregnancies in TX are hispanics, most of which are here illegally. That is the fact…
And we know those Hispanics are illegal ’cause when those babies come out they all have a birthmark that says anclaje bebé.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:15 am
Bosch – I try to stay away from stuff he writes. Makes me feel like I’m just an amateur paranoid, and that I don’t have enough guns. Oh, and it makes me want to wear a tinfoil hat and hang out in my concrete bunker. Seriously.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
JOE C00L
August 24th, 2011
11:16 am
“It happens about as many times Dems out give charitably the Repubs- rarely to never.”
Again, had nothing to do with the statement. SOOO according to your statement Thomas, the Republicans would rather throw money at it?? Wait…..i thought the Dems did that. Confused…NOT
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2011
11:16 am
We can’t have the jobs plan yet….. Bozo is still on vacation. I’m sure that all of those unemployed out there understand. They are probably sitting on the edge of their chair awaiting the Annointed One’s next failed proposal. Let’s throw money at it. That oughta do it. How bout another 8B? The first one worked so well. HE spent 8B at a time when the unemployment rate was 8%. Was supposed to create 2M jobs. Fell a little short, there, Bozo.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:16 am
Adam – that is what erroneously motivates liberals to push for a benevolent tyranny.
Stevie Ray
August 24th, 2011
11:17 am
Mighty Righty…I’m not sure what we will gain in Libya but just because it happened on Obamas watch doesn’t mean much credit is deserved. Most in US, especially all the pregnant teens in Alabama, have no idea where Libya is…..Obama didn’t exactly go to Pakistan and kill Osama himself. He agreed with recommendation of informed staff to take a risk.
I wish someone could explain to me what the return on our investment in foreign wars truly is…getting one guy cost us a trillion dollars “over 10 years” in DC’er math. Libya, S Korea, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, et al….why are we so evangelical about our democracy middle eastern counties that need to have tribal civil wars before a unified government can be established?
Jay
August 24th, 2011
11:17 am
“Well Adam, that’s because while the actual number of hispanics are more in CA they account for less of the population than they do in TX.”
Well, Pat, that’s because you’re shamelessly inventing statistics needed to defend your weak argument, rather than building your argument around statistics. You demonstrate the same approach as Perry.
Facts:
Illegal immigrants in California as percentage of population: 6.9
Illegal immigrants in Texas as percentage of population: 6.5
Source: http://pewhispanic.org/unauthorized-immigration/
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:17 am
Paddy O: that is what erroneously motivates liberals to push for a benevolent tyranny.
What does?
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
11:18 am
“Also godless heathen, the reason you can’t find “Obama” in relation to failure on this blog is because the people who hate him refuse to use his real name. Try searching “Bozo” or “Odumba””
The duplicity of your argument is laughable. Bosch starts with, you can’t go a page on here without someone saying “Obama=failure”. So I show him that we couldn’t get through the first page without Bosch taking a swipe at former President Bush. Bosch’s reply is, I never said “Bush=failure.” I point out that noone said “Obama=Failure” today. And your argument is that Obama bashers use other terms for him. OK. Search “Obozo=failure”, “Obummer=failure”, “Barry=failure”, “Big Ears=Failure”, “Odumba=failure” and let us know what you find.
Or just admit that your and Bosch’s bias has been exposed and move on.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:18 am
Stevie Ray: but just because it happened on Obamas watch doesn’t mean much credit is deserved.
What a crap argument. If Libya had done everything on its own with the U.S. staying COMPLETELY OUT OF IT, you might have a point. Otherwise, no. Wow.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:19 am
“that’s because you’re shamelessly inventing statistics needed to defend your weak argument, rather than building your argument around statistics. ”
AKA “Number two in the core of wingnut logic” See earlier post for number one.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
11:19 am
Getalife, pls cease with the content-free insults or go elsewhere.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:19 am
Stevie Ray: He agreed with recommendation of informed staff to take a risk.
That’s called Leadership
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:21 am
godless heathen: No, the bias is pretty clear. A lot of people on here have posted just how much of a failure Obama is. LESS have posted that Bush is a failure. Again, if I had access tot he database and this mythical “free time” you speak of, I’d prove it.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:21 am
gh,
“Bosch’s reply is, I never said “Bush=failure.””
And again, sir, if you’d care to show where I wrote that or even implied that GO AHEAD.
Again, YOUR PROJECTIONS DO NOT EQUATE TO ME WRITING THEM.
Do you understand that basic simple concept?
getalife
August 24th, 2011
11:21 am
Great.
I guess it is not okay.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
11:21 am
Adam-Jeez. I was at least expecting the cons to WAIT until Obama released his jobs plan to suddenly claim jobs weren’t important, it was something else (moving the goal posts). Guess they’re starting early.
You lefties are confusing me. For months you guys have been saying the president doesn’t have any control over jobs. Which is it? If he does, why hasn’t he done anything? If he doesn’t what are you talking about? BTW, we all know what his telprompter will say.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:21 am
Oh look, Jay might ban a lib! But that NEVER happens right?
Jack
August 24th, 2011
11:22 am
You don’t have to be very bright to know that abstinence does work. If we quit rewarding teen pregnancy, abstinence would work even better. Of course, I’m only saying this because of a pre-existing bias. Right, Bookman?
Peter
August 24th, 2011
11:22 am
Gee if Rich Republican Men can’t say no to under aged girls..then what makes one think under age girls can say no to boys ?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:22 am
Jay,
We had a possible namejacker yesterday who namejacked Paul and called getalife a retard.
Paulo977
August 24th, 2011
11:23 am
Debbie DR
“I mean when you think about it, without sex, why would a woman, who spent 25 hours in labor, EVER have sex again? ”
Ouch , ouch and ouch again….. you’re darn right!!!!
getalife
August 24th, 2011
11:23 am
Jay,
Somebody stole Paul’s name and called me the r word yesterday.
I do not use that word.
Thanks.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
11:23 am
Gasp ! Under Obama’s watch ???
“TO SERVE AND PROTECT”
“NYPD’s Secret CIA-Backed Anti-Terror Program Raises Murky Ethical Questions”
Jay
August 24th, 2011
11:23 am
Bosch, that’s been handled, I hope.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:24 am
Mighty Righty: For months you guys have been saying the president doesn’t have any control over jobs. Which is it? If he does, why hasn’t he done anything? If he doesn’t what are you talking about?
Well, I was about to argue this, until I read your next sentence:
BTW, we all know what his telprompter will say.
I am done talking to the likes of you. The teleprompter nonsense is just that – nonsense. You obviously aren’t going to have an actual discussion about things so have a nice life.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2011
11:24 am
It is not the fact that the kids are getting knocked up that bugs the GOP — its the fact that people are actually having sex that pisses them off…..
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:24 am
Paulo977 and Debbie,
I remember after the first Boschlette was born, I thought, after seeing how that being came into this world, that I’d better love and appreciate this kid cause I was probably never going to have sex again.
Luckily…I was WRONG!!!
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
11:25 am
Bosch, (ir)Rational
The final two spots for the UCL are being determined today. Drawing for the group stage is Thursday in Monaco.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:25 am
Jay,
K.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:26 am
Scout: “NYPD’s Secret CIA-Backed Anti-Terror Program Raises Murky Ethical Questions”
I thought you guys liked that sort of stuff?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
11:26 am
Bosch, I read the piece on Beck. He’s been insane for some time. Which could account for his rise with a portion of the Republican Party.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
11:26 am
I remember my Mom telling me that as a teen, she used aspirin as birth control. She kept one pressed firmly between her knees….but she also told me that I was a descendant from a long line she fell for…
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:28 am
Remarkable that those who have utter failth in the scientific community to PROVE their theory of global warming (in the early 70’s it was global cooling, for those under 30), have no problem with a faulty track record on predicting a fairly stable and observable activity such as the weather. yet, the assertion/theory that the globe is warming solely due to human activity is accepted as bible. (those same people reject the bible in their narcissism)
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:28 am
Kamchak,
Saw that on my email this morning. Kewl.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:29 am
Paddy O: Remarkable that those who have utter failth in the scientific community to PROVE their theory of global warming (in the early 70’s it was global cooling, for those under 30), have no problem with a faulty track record on predicting a fairly stable and observable activity such as the weather.
More armchair science, not understanding the scientific method or how one thing relates (or doesn’t) to another. Quit while you’re behind.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:29 am
Kam – is the Arsenal/Udinese game on TV, or do you know? Well, other than GolTV? Eh, what does it matter, I’m at work during it anyway.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:30 am
who would you rather have sex with, Ann Coulter or Helen Thomas (even 50 years ago)?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
11:31 am
who would you rather have sex with, Ann Coulter or Helen Thomas (even 50 years ago)?
I abstain
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
11:32 am
yet, the assertion/theory that the globe is warming solely due to human activity is accepted as bible
Perhaps Paddy’s statement of the global warming theory is as accepted as the bible because of its misstatement and lack of evidence. The correct statement of global warming or global climate change is that there is a man-made COMPONENT which has an impact. Now do feel free to refudiate me with that dictionary definition that COMPONENT = SOLELY DUE.
Libertarian
August 24th, 2011
11:33 am
The GOP should be able to win the election but, with people like Perry talking about crap like this, they will shoot themselves in the foot. GOP needs to stop talking about social issues and start talking about what is important right now…jobs and the economy.
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
11:34 am
I guess if your candidate is as utterly pathetic as Obama, you’ve got to do everything possible to make everybody else look bad in comparison…
Normal
August 24th, 2011
11:34 am
Normal Your comment is awaiting moderation.
August 24th, 2011
11:33 am
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:30 am
Either…
Just throw a flag over their faces and do it for Old Glory…
had to change the f….
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
11:34 am
Wow, Jay. I know you didn’t want to expose Perry, but you do have to abide by your journalistic code of ethics, that being to tell all the truths on all the candidates, all the time, right?
Was this on the morning fax from the DNC or did you just happen upon this on your own?
You can’t possiblty be trying to say that abstinence does’t work as that would be a ridiculous statement. Statistics seem to indicate that relying solely on teaching the concept of abstinence, to the exclusion of other pregnancy avoidance techniques, is not achieving the desired results. I would agree with you on that point, wholeheartedly. I have no evidence, although it could probably be found, but have heard or read that in some school districts the students are “reminded” that among the alternatives to penis/vagina intercourse is oral sex. The boys are down with that lesson.
I can’t say that I find that lesson really addressing the issue of teen pregnancy in the best way. Look, teens will have sex, right? Personally, I think there is another component of the reduced number of unwanted teen pregnancies. I have no way of knowing the percentages, but some young folks have indicated that they are getting back to a more moral way of looking at things. I suspect some of all faiths have decided to simply wait, notwithstanding the pregnancy avoidance class.
A question in the interest of having a complete analysis of the data, please:
In the paragraph in your piece preceding the following, you cite percentages along racial lines. Do you have the data available for the states mentioned below as well?
However, the problem has remained more persistent in some areas than others. Texas, for example, has the third-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country. At 60.7 pregnancies per 1,000 teen-aged girls, its rate is more than three times higher than that of Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, which have the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the country.
poison pen
August 24th, 2011
11:36 am
Maybe if our Government learned to use condoms we would all be better off.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
11:37 am
Kamchack, next time you hear this nonsense, might want to borrow a short American history lesson for the Thick Family Robinsons that tend to show up when grown ups are talking about reproductive rights:
Slavery WAS legal. And then we criminalized it. One can say with a decent degree of confidence that it will never be made legal again.
Abortion (defined for these purposes as elective terminations of first-trimester pregnancies) WAS illegal. And then we de-criminalized it. One can say with a decent degree of confidence that it will never be made illegal again.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
11:37 am
Adam:
We do ………… but you miss the point.
Under Obama’s watch ???
AT
August 24th, 2011
11:37 am
As the saying goes, Abstinence works every time it is tried. Seems like you have a better chance teaching the method with 100% success rate. I guess I’m being unreasonable now…
md
August 24th, 2011
11:38 am
“Kimbrel worked the ninth for his 40th save in 45 opportunities, tying a mark set by Texas’ Neftali Feliz(notes) last season. He ran his scoreless streak to 31 2-3 innings as Atlanta won for the eighth time in nine games”
A round of applause from this Braves fan………………..can you imagine the bullpen we could of had had we not made the mistake of renting Teixeira?? And for those that don’t remember, Feliz was one of the too many given up in the trade……………
getalife
August 24th, 2011
11:39 am
I think the gop should stop regulating sex.
Small government and all that stuff.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:39 am
“Remember boys, flies spread disease. So keep yours closed.” – I remember that from Band of Brothers, but don’t know who actually said it.
Now, I must go and be productive (or a reasonable approximation of such).
Oh-well. Who is John
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
11:39 am
stands for decibels :
It took almost 300 years to end slavery and we look back on those who supported it with disgust.
It may take that long to end abortion on demand and I submit future generations will feel the same way about those who supported it.
(ir)Rational
August 24th, 2011
11:40 am
Wow, how embarrassing for me. Can I pretend I was name jacked? I mean, I screwed up my copy and paste.
Oh-well. Who is John Galt?
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
11:42 am
It took almost 300 years to end slavery
Because conservatives like you stood in the way.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
11:42 am
Granny G: DDR – I can understand how you an adult female could feel about Teen Mom…but think about it from the point of a teen girl….longing for her 15 minutes of fame and ending up with a lifetime or responsibility.
I agree that some teen may think that way, but if they really LOOKED at these girls’ lives, they’d see that it “ain’t no crystal stair”. (Langston Hughes).
ALSO, love for you to re-think motherhood – you’d be wonderful.
Although both sets of relatives wanna see that happen, I am soooo glad that I’m the second wife and my husband has kids already from his first wife. Every night I say a couple of “Hail Mary’s” for that blessing!
Pat: Well Adam, that’s because while the actual number of hispanics are more in CA they account for less of the population than they do in TX. The numbers are clear. 58% of the teen pregnancies in TX are hispanics, most of which are here illegally. That is the fact…You remove that 58%, and TX acually has one of the lowest rates in the country. Illegal immigration has skwed the number in TX.
Pat – have you noticed that what you just wrote makes absolutely NO SENSE?
Do you really want talk about CA, with the 2nd highest unemploument in the nation, one of the highest taxest rates and the mass exodus of business from the state, really?
Oh great, a non-sense paragraph and a complete change of subject dodge! Way to go pat!
Bosch: My nieces grew up in a community where babies were like fashion accessories. I can not believe at least one of them did not get pregnant just because it was the thing to do. The problem I saw was that the parents did not make their daughter/son responsible for the upbringing, they took over the responsibilities themselves.
That is the BIGGEST problem. Parents think they are helping their children by taking on their responsibilities but what they’re really doing is hurting everyone involved.
Paddy O: feminism & moral relativism – key guides to young women fornicating
Well by your statement you suggest that the women are fornicating amongst themselves, (no men involved), if that were the case, then there would be NO teen pregnancies now would there?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:42 am
stands,
Me guesses that Scout assumes abortion is a new thing?
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
11:43 am
“If we quit rewarding teen pregnancy, abstinence would work even better. ”
How would you suggest we stop “rewarding” teen pregnancy?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:43 am
I may have a better understanding of it than you. The simple fact is we can’t accurately predict tomorrow, but the same community wishes us to believe they can state for a fact that this is occurring. I am highly skeptical.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
11:44 am
(ir)Rational
Coverage of the Arsenal/Udinese game begins at 2:30 on Fox Soccer Channel replayed again on Fox Soccer Plus (free til the 28th for directv subscribers) at 5:00.
Or you can do like I do when The Blue Lions are playing when I can’t watch. You can read live text of the game here (I think)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14569531.stm
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
11:44 am
Also too: “Fornicate”?
really? Who since c. 1735 has used that term non-ironically?
md
August 24th, 2011
11:44 am
“One can say with a decent degree of confidence that it will never be made illegal again.”
The word “never” is a long time…………..laws change with the prevailing whims of the majority…………
jt
August 24th, 2011
11:44 am
I guess its turned into a narc-fest here on the blog…………sheeeesh.
.
Anyhow , the progressive solution is simple.
.
Everyone has to get permission from the government FIRST……….before getting preggers.
.
Yea, that’ll work.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
11:45 am
K71: We can’t have the jobs plan yet….. Bozo is still on vacation. I’m sure that all of those unemployed out there understand.
You do realize that the President job is NOT to make the laws and/or do the Senate/Congress’ job right? Right????…………. [crickets chirping in the background]
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
11:46 am
Bosch “Luckily…I was WRONG!!!”
I suspect a lot of people don’t know this, but nature has provided. Humans can’t recall pain. They can remember they HAD it, but they can’t recall it and feel it again. Pleasure we can, pain we can’t.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:47 am
debbie – the fact that the male can not get pregnant has always motivated men to act immorally. Women were at one time more virtuous than they are now. Yet, even with the profound burden placed on women, they are still recreationally fornicating with gusto. Does that indicate women are stupid? Weak? Spineless?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:47 am
doggone – that is a nice piece of BS. I can remember the sprained ankle on the BB court quite well.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
11:48 am
“Women were at one time more virtuous than they are now”
You’re welcome to your illusions.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:49 am
debbie – you had that executive example with Perdue. The executive can not MAKE the law, but they can suggest initiatives and veto bad ideas. The House has done its job multiple times, but the Senate has thus far been a zombie.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
11:49 am
Abortion = slavery.
Yeah right.
Jefferson
August 24th, 2011
11:49 am
Laws are worthless if they don’t change behavior.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
11:49 am
“I can remember the sprained ankle on the BB court quite well.”
You are actually proving my point. You remember the sprain. I already said you we remember HAVING pain, but we can’t call it back and FEEL it again. I remember my sprained ankle too…but it doesn’t HURT when I recall it.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:49 am
doggone – go back to 1920 – how many men had to request permission from the father to go on the date?
Stevie Ray
August 24th, 2011
11:50 am
Adam, thanks for your various emotional diatribes protecting Obama at all costs. You do realize that the more defensive you become, the less credibility your statements have…..name calling and voice raising are not valid debate points. How anyone blindly can support any politician suggests lack of independent analysis of all issues separately. 911 didn’t happen on Obama’s watch but he gets credit for pushing the ball over the goal line when starting in the redzone….
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
11:50 am
So young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault? I had a nagging suspicion he was behind it all along.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:50 am
getalife – which is worse?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:50 am
” they are still recreationally fornicating with gusto”
Holy Sweet Mother of Jesus that made me laugh!
THEY BE A FORNICATING I SAY, WITH GUSTO!
Oh just damn. I can’t breathe. I can’t….breathe.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:51 am
I can relive the pain, if you are that pollyanna, good for you. it may be a gender thing – which would make sense regarding the act of giving birth.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:51 am
Doggone,
Yeah, thank the Gods for that!
md
August 24th, 2011
11:51 am
“They can remember they HAD it, but they can’t recall it and feel it again. Pleasure we can, pain we can’t.”
Hmm………I hurt just as much now when I see some ballplayer doubled over from a shot to the groin as I did when it happened to me……………………..
And aren’t we also “remembering” pleasure? Both have to be re-created………….
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
11:51 am
bosch – decent line, eh?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
11:51 am
dB
Just like the “50% pay NO TAXES” lie, the abortion = murder canard will be posted time and time again. The only thing to do is mock them, mercilessly.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
11:52 am
pad,
The comparison is laughable.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
11:52 am
Jay,
The large number of Asian / Pacific Islanders in California, who have a very low teenaged birth-rate (about 15 per 100,000 according to the CDC data linked earlier) , would skew the numbers in that state. About 13% of California is Asian compared to 3.6% of Texas. The CDC data indicates about 70 teenage births per 100,000 for Hispanics.
It appears that if you put a few million Asians in Texas, their teenage birth rate would drop dramatically.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:52 am
“So young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault?”
No. This has been another episode of simple questions to stupid answers.
And, there are places you can go to help with that reading comprehension problem you have.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
11:52 am
“how many men had to request permission from the father to go on the date?”
Return question: how many girls went out without permission anyway?
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
11:53 am
The word “never” is a long time…
True; hence the phrase “high degree of confidence.”
If some effortless, utterly risk free procedure emerges to extricate embryonic life from an unwilling womb and have that embryo remain viable, then that could be a game changer, I guess.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:53 am
Paddy O,
“decent line, eh?”
Indeed yes, and you should add “AND GET OFF MY LAWN” right after it.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
11:54 am
“The numbers are clear. 58% of the teen pregnancies in TX are hispanics, most of which are here illegally. That is the fact…You remove that 58%, and TX acually has one of the lowest rates in the country. Illegal immigration has skwed the number in TX.”
I still prefer to blame Rick Perry. Can’t he just tell them in Spanish not to have so many anchor babies.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
11:54 am
The only thing to do is mock them, mercilessly.
perhaps a few high-profile defamation suits that’d bankrupt Operation Rescue as well.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
11:55 am
Hello, my name is Antonio Juan Gusto.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
11:55 am
OH just damn again.
Make that:
No. This has been another episode of simple answers to stupid questions.
Return to normal programming.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
11:57 am
“The large number of Asian / Pacific Islanders in California, who have a very low teenaged birth-rate (about 15 per 100,000 according to the CDC data linked earlier) , would skew the numbers in that state. About 13% of California is Asian compared to 3.6% of Texas. The CDC data indicates about 70 teenage births per 100,000 for Hispanics.”
Those “model minority” Asians forgot to git the memo. They gonna ruin it for blacks and Hispanics.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
11:59 am
I have no objection to the president taking his family to Martha’s Vinyard, playing some golf, fishing, reading or whatever he want’s to do. The president has a difficult job and is entitled to some R and R such as it is for some one with a 24/7/365 responsibility. But, I have a big problem with 15 million people out of work and he doesn’t have a jobs program now! No hurry to come up with one either. While his administration continues to place regulatory obsticals to job growth while he enjoys his R and R without a peep of objection from him.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
11:59 am
Technically, abstinence is 100% effective when practiced properly.
But when poor parenting, alcohol and hormones get mixed together, the failure isn’t the policy, but the people involved.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:00 pm
stands for decibels:
“It took almost 300 years to end slavery
Because conservatives like you stood in the way.”
Democrats ! It took a Republican to change it.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
12:00 pm
Well, I’m certainly learning a lot today.
Abstinence does not work. Women get pregnant ANYWAY!!! Miracle!!!
Bosch loves Bush and has never said an unkind word against him. Who’s next? Cheney?
Bookman INSINUATES that Perry is responsible for high birth rate in Texas. All I can say is, what a man!!.
A blog is a good place to teach teens about sex so you can talk about your great knowledge of said subject and vast experience in said subject even though you never had children and are about eighty years old.
Keep at it, folks. I’m waiting for some “scientist” here to mention that sex is spontaneous combution that causes global warming as proven in Texas because Perry is governor.
LIke I said, you really learn a lot here!
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:01 pm
I suspect that Perry’s economic successes are hugely overblown, but there is no doubt at all that his social policies are a total deal breaker. Another morality legislator that lives in the 1950s.
I thought the idea of civilized societies was to push ahead, not drag it backwards to already failed notions.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:01 pm
“Return question: how many girls went out without permission anyway?”
I loves my excuses. We all knows parents has no influence whatsoever on their daughters. None. Specially Hispanic fathers. They aint the final word in they households like all the sociologists say they are. Its still Rick Perry’s fault. Just like it was Ws.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:01 pm
Bosch @ 11:42
“stands,
Me guesses that Scout assumes abortion is a new thing?”
If you will notice …….. the point was its “legality” and yes ……… its
legality in the U.S. is a relatively new thing.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:01 pm
Question from previous post: If parents think sex education is so important (seem similar to me to DARE – which appears to be an absolute failure) – why are THEY not doing it themself?
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:02 pm
getalife:
I see since Jay’s admonition the other night that you are doing much better in your respect of other posters.
I commend you.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:03 pm
Paddy O: debbie – the fact that the male can not get pregnant has always motivated men to act immorally. Women were at one time more virtuous than they are now. Yet, even with the profound burden placed on women, they are still recreationally fornicating with gusto. Does that indicate women are stupid? Weak? Spineless?
I don’t get it. Why is it ALWAYS blame the girl game? So, women like sex, lots of sex, lots of frequent sex what of it? Just because women like sex we are automatically Jezebels and harlots? Think for a minute PaddyO, if women DIDN’T like sex, 2/3 of us wouldn’t be here. We were made, by our maker, TO LIKE SEX.
it may be a gender thing
PaddyO do you LIKE girls? I’m not questioning your sexuality, what I’m suggesting is that maybe you are one of those people that feel that everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:03 pm
doggone – probably about 20%, which were the general # of bimbo sluts in the community. If you farther back in the 1880’s, you had very, very few out of wedlock pregnancies, at least in rural areas.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:03 pm
Godless Heathen,
Enough with you and yer pesky facts. Be off!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:05 pm
debbie – you are crossing two replies – so I must conclude you are a bit of a dunce. the gender question regarded pain, not the act of fornication. attempting to rationalize obvious self-defeating activity is typical liberal ethos.
md
August 24th, 2011
12:05 pm
“Just like the “50% pay NO TAXES” lie”
I believe it has long been established that folks who post this are referring to “income taxes”……
Which is not a lie………….
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
12:05 pm
“So young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault?”
No, Jay just wants you to believe that it is in another lame attempt to smear a Republican candidate for President since he has nothing good to prop up the current officeholder.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:07 pm
” If you farther back in the 1880’s, you had very, very few out of wedlock pregnancies, at least in rural areas”
I think you’d have a very hard time proving that. Abortion didn’t begin in this century you know. It has existed for a great deal longer than that.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:07 pm
kamchack – just because you are so divorced from morality that you do contortions to deny the fact, abortion is MURDER. Why were YOU not murdered in the womb? It was illegal then?
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
“…abortion is MURDER.”
Fallacious, by every definition.
Except the made up variety.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
…everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.
The worst evil comes from Old Trafford stadium.
Just sayin’.
Paulo977
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
Debbie DR
re: response to K71
“You do realize that the President job is NOT to make the laws and/or do the Senate/Congress’ job right? Right???”
Obviously thinks ‘Separation of Powers’
is some lib manufactured propaganda!!
md
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
“If some effortless, utterly risk free procedure emerges to extricate embryonic life from an unwilling womb and have that embryo remain viable, then that could be a game changer, I guess.”
I’d hazard a guess the definition of viable would be what changes………the exponential changes in technology being the driver………………..
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
getalife – for moral relativist, self absorbed liberals, of course it would – it would require an examination of your believe system, which is foreign to you because you are so over confident in your greatness. In the 1800, slavery was the great moral failing of this nation. Since 1970, abortion is. Just answer the simple question: Morally, which is more heinous? Abortion or slavery?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
“So young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault?” No, Jay just wants you to believe that it is
Got any facts to back that up, Dave. It should be easy, the article is posted at the top. Please be precise.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
“just because you are so divorced from morality that you do contortions to deny the fact, abortion is MURDER”
It is not a fact, it is an opinion
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
This whole issue is stupid. If you want to tell your kids it’s ok to have sex as long as they use protection or if you want to put your high schooler on birth control, DO IT. It’s not my business, the states, the schools, or the governor of Texas’ business what YOU do with YOUR kids.
But stop asking me to pay for your lousey decisions both on the “free condoms” front and the abortions. Parent your own children or stop having them.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Return to normal programming.”
Nobody programs Normal…Nobody!
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:11 pm
“it would require an examination of your believe system”
My belief system tells me that if abortion is murder, than the greatest murderer among us is God.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
Georgia dog devours $10K in diamonds
“http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-dog-devours-10georgia-dog-devours-10k-1135159.html
Damn! I can’t let Apollo read this when he has his computer lesson today.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
Larry: I still prefer to blame Rick Perry. Can’t he just tell them in Spanish not to have so many anchor babies
Larry don’t look now but your IQ is showing….
Midori
August 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
I wanna fornicate with Bosch
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:13 pm
“My belief system tells me that if abortion is murder, than the greatest murderer among us is God”
OH SNAP!!!
Yeah, mine too.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:13 pm
“Extraterrestrial intelligence “could attack and kill us, enslave us, or potentially even eat us. ETI could attack us out of selfishness or out of a more altruistic desire to protect the galaxy from us. We might be a threat to the galaxy just as we are a threat to our home planet,” the study explained,”- From Jay’s link on global warming
Add Paul Krugman to the list of liberals talking about space aliens attacking Earth. Add me to. What we needs is a new govt program to deal with these malevolent little green men.
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:14 pm
“No, Jay just wants you to believe that it is in another lame attempt to smear a Republican candidate for President since he has nothing good to prop up the current officeholder.”
AMEN!!! Obama is such a complete and total disaster he has to do everything possible to make the other candidates look bad by comparison. My only question is “what the hell is wrong with the 40% or so who think he’s doing a good job?” Are they living in an alternate universe or what?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:14 pm
AmVet – explain how it is fallacious morally.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:15 pm
doggone – your agnosticism may explain your pushing immorality.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:16 pm
doggone – you are proving that liberals such as yourself have no objective morality. which explains why this country has such problems.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:16 pm
Sorry Normal!!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:17 pm
How is it NOT murder? No gun used? Just a knife?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
Midori
I want to be seduced…
Oh, and Hi!
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
So GA has improved. Which state is first in teenage pregnancies, and which state is 57th?
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
Paddy, no sir, no ballerina moves.
You said “abortion is murder”.
I said that is patently false.
You now want to now change the question to one of morality.
Ain’t happening.
Show me any accepted definition of the word abortion that includes murder.
Maybe then we’ll do your pas de deux…
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
Midori,
OH my God, you crack me up! And make me blush all at one time!
Normal
August 24th, 2011
12:19 pm
“…everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.”
Boy, that sounds eerily Old Testament.
But it smacks onto why the Catholic Pope Constantine minions put Genesis as the first book in the Bible. Evil woman and (gasp) knowledge…Even back then they knew they had to keep the people dumbed down in order to keep them in line. They knew that when the people “got learnin’” they would see the fallacy of Religion. Not the belief in God, mind you, but religion. Keep ‘em down, make them feel guilty for feeling certain God given urges, tell them it’s Satan and the woman’s fault. Evil, evil woman. But the “end of time” is here and religion is steadily being exposed for what it is….just another form of oppression. Not what God intended, one would think.
@@
August 24th, 2011
12:20 pm
OH…..MY…..GAWD!!!!
From earlier this morning on the previous thread.
I remember once, Jay appointed Paul and I as “blog monitors” when he was gone. I felt so powerful, like I did in the 3rd grade when the teacher asked me to write the names of those who talked on the chalkboard while she was away. I wrote you up for just LOOKING like you were about to talk! Awwwwww…..the power, but I digress.–Bosch
This thread?
Jay,
We had a possible namejacker yesterday who namejacked Paul and called getalife a retard.–Bosch.
Bosch, I’ll do you a favor and be embarrassed FOR you. You’re obviously incapable.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
12:20 pm
Yes, Dave R, 12:05
Bookman got to the fourth paragraph before he mentioned TEXAS and teenage pregnancies in his pre-op promotional.. You should commend him for holding out so long.. Think how much resistance that took!!
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:21 pm
Midori,
I think in order to properly fornicate, you must first be wearing crinolins and bodices.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:21 pm
Bosch:
………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?
His right.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:22 pm
Um, what the hell is Scout talking about?
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Normal @ 12:19,
Nicely put.
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
“………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?”
Their own fault. Not His.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Evil woman and (gasp) knowledge…
The Muslims are the only ones who recognize this. That’s why the cover they women head to toe, keep them from education, and stone em when they do the adultery thing. Those teenage girls getting pregnant in Texas? They’ld a been honor killed by those good Muslim dads if they was Muslim.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Yeah, @@ and the next time you post something that is obviously meant as humor, I’ll make sure to take it literal and be embarrassed for you too.
K?
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
“ETI could attack us out of selfishness or out of a more altruistic desire to protect the galaxy from us. We might be a threat to the galaxy just as we are a threat to our home planet,” the study explained, adding that “Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth’s atmosphere (e.g. via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth.”
Oh my effen gawd!! Now my pick-up truck is a threat to whole galaxy!!
Anybody want to argue that some climate change alarmists aren’t using scare tactics that were dreamed up while they were passing the bong around one night.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
12:24 pm
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:21 pm
Midori,
I think in order to properly fornicate, you must first be wearing crinolins and bodices.
———————————
…and you’d better be good with hooks and buttons…takes an hour just to get her shoes off…
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:24 pm
Um, what the hell is RB talking about?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:24 pm
Normal,
Bosch fingers = magic.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:25 pm
Thanks Scout,
Not sure why dave r gets a free pass on personal attacks everyday but I am trying.
Again @@,
Very disappointing.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:27 pm
PaddyO: debbie – you are crossing two replies – so I must conclude you are a bit of a dunce. the gender question regarded pain, not the act of fornication. attempting to rationalize obvious self-defeating activity
Oh really? Yet you came back at DogGone with this little gem right here:
doggone – probably about 20%, which were the general # of bimbo sluts in the community.
I may have “crossed” two replies into one, but they were both YOUR replies and they both were in regards as to how you actually feel about women. PaddyO you don’t have to live your life filled with festering hatred towards women, you can become a Tea Partyier, vote for Bachmann, and show the world that dumb females like her are your ideal of womanhood.
MIdori: I wanna fornicate with Bosch
Only if you want to take that Mrs. Bosch azz whupping when she finds out! Just say no, Midori, just say no.
PaddyO: doggone – you are proving that liberals such as yourself have no objective morality. which explains why this country has such problems.
Paddy – the fainting couch will be available as soon as you quit clutching your pearls dramatically and do a proper swoon. Thanks!
Normal: Nobody programs Normal…Nobody
You are soooo silly!
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
12:27 pm
There are more teen pregnancies in Texas because everyone is bilingual. I am not judging anyone……I’m just sayin’.
Matthew
August 24th, 2011
12:28 pm
According to Jay, abstaining from sex will not prevent someone from getting pregnant.
So, Jay, please do tell. How does abstinence not work? Moron.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
12:28 pm
“………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?”
A compelling story. Someone should write a book and put it in the “Fiction” section.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:29 pm
pad,
When you cut services for the poor children, you are not pro life.
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:29 pm
getalife:
I see since Jay’s admonition the other night that you are doing much better in your respect of other posters.
+++++++++++++
Is there a chance that getalife is indeed one of Jay’s alter-egos?
If not that, could getalife really be Mortimer the ventriloquist dummy?
(Attention Blog Narcs: note I said “dummy” and not “retard”)
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:30 pm
godless heathen,
I thought I told you to be off with yo pesky facts and statistical analysis. We don’t need that thank you. We was getting along just fine with our heated emotional rhetoric on Rick Perry impregnatin all them Texas teenagers.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:31 pm
jed,
I could “narc ” you out for that personal attack but I will not.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:32 pm
have been in meetings … have I missed anything since P. 4?
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:33 pm
“…everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.”
++++++++++++++++
leave Oprah out of this
@@
August 24th, 2011
12:33 pm
Getalife:
I don’t even attempt to figure out what’s going on here anymore. Why did jay reprimand you when you hadn’t even made a comment on this thread?
The “Retard” word? I gave up on reprimanding anyone for that. I seemed to be the only one who cared. My students don’t blog here so are, therefore, not exposed. I don’t recall you taking issue when the left was using it at ml’s.
Bosch:
Yeah, @@ and the next time you post something that is obviously meant as humor, I’ll make sure to take it literal and be embarrassed for you too.
Did you or did you not just snitch on someone?
I rest my case.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:34 pm
Oops, I did it again.
USinUK,
Abortion.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:34 pm
Normal: But the “end of time” is here and religion is steadily being exposed for what it is….just another form of oppression
I would quote you-know-who and say, “Religion is the opiate of the people.”; but then I’d have 100 posts saying that I idolize <you-know-who, who was the devil. In human form.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:35 pm
have been in meetings … have I missed anything since P. 4?
Abortion=murder.
Everything that is evil comes from between the legs of you women.
Inconsequential stuff.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:35 pm
No @@,
I agree with palin on that word.
Never give up.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:37 pm
Kam – in other words, SOP for the righties everytime teh sexy is mentioned … ewwwww … dirty! evil! SHAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:38 pm
“PaddyO you don’t have to live your life filled with festering hatred towards women, you can become a Tea Partyier, vote for Bachmann, and show the world that dumb females like her are your ideal of womanhood”- Debbiedoright
Bout time we got to dem evil ole tea party folk. Can I get an Amen on that nutcake Bachman! Raising 5 kids and 17 foster kids doesn’t make you the ideal for womanhood. It makes you evil! As Debbie points out you got to be dumb to care bout that many kids when the govt can do it for you!
And what’s even more insidious about this woman is that she and those evil ole tea party folk want the budget balanced. The sheer nerve of them folk! Just plain Evil!
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:38 pm
somebody needs to tell slick Rick that abstinence only works if you abstain (kinda like abortion only works if you have an abortion). it’s funny how the self-proclaimed Constutionalist, libertarian, states’ rights types seem to disappear when it comes to the big “A”. and religion or personal views aside, where in the Constitution does it say the state should educate, or that abstinence should be part of the curriculum?
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:38 pm
Just curious: Is “Tea Tard” offensive? If so, I’ll refrain from using it unless offense is duly warranted.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
12:39 pm
Everything that is evil comes from between the legs of you women.
People come from there.
ALL PEOPLE.
ALL people are evil?
dunderheads.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
When you cut services for the poor children, you are not pro life.
Pro-life BEFORE birth, after birth they are called, Pro-tests. See they protest free school lunches, they protest birth control, they protest food supplements, etc., etc., etc.,
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
USinUK… DaveR wants you to believe that ”Jay just wants you to believe that young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault” but he’s been a bit silient about posting evidence to back that absurdity.
Mary Elizabeth
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
Literacy, or lack thereof, is a main reason for higher teen birth rates.
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That was my thinking so I thought I would do some research to verifty it.
I checked out this site: http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx
This is what I found:
Of the ten states that had the highest teen birth rates according to Jay’s chart, their average % for “Percentage (of population) lacking basic prose literacy skills” was 14.6%.
Of the ten states that had the lowest teen birth rates according to Jay’s chart, their average % for “Percentage (of population) lacking basic prose literacy skills” was 11.0%.
Here are states and their individual percentages for population lacking basic prose literacy skills:
Top 10 State with Highest Teen Birth Rates, with % of pop. lacking literacy skills given:
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MS 16%
NM 16%
TX 19%
OK 12%
AK 14%
LA 16%
KY 12%
AL 15%
AZ 13%
TN 13%
Top Ten States With Lowest Teen Birth Rates, with % of pop. lacking literacy skills. given:
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NH 6%
VT 7%
MA 10%
Connecticut 9%
NJ 17%
MN 6%
NY 22%
Maine 7%
RI 8%
ND 6%
PA 13%
NOTE: All but two of the states with the lowest birth rates are from the Northeast.
All but two of the states with the highest birth rates are from the South.
Also, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania have unusally high lack of literacy skills for their group of low teen birth rate states, which made the average % for their group of states higher.
I suspect their higher % rates may be caused by their diverse populations which increased their higher lack of literacy rates because those populations would have had difficulty in reading English literacy tests. Yet, those populations of teens may also have been well informed about how to prevent pregnancy and practiced that prevention.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
“somebody needs to tell slick Rick that abstinence only works if you abstain”
or, as someone else once said “abstinence works … until it doesn’t” … kinda like the nurse who said “you know what I call women who use ‘natural family planning’? mothers”
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
Granny G,
And what about the placenta? If placenta is evil, why do they put it in expensive shampoo to make your hair shiny?
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:41 pm
Looks like GG has mastered the art of debate.
Short and to the point.
I am not worthy.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:41 pm
Kam – in other words, SOP for the righties everytime teh sexy is mentioned … ewwwww … dirty! evil!
Oddly enough, having a fund raiser at a bondage themed lesbian strip-club doesn’t seem to draw the same level of poutrage.
md
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
“…and you’d better be good with hooks and buttons…takes an hour just to get her shoes off…”
If it takes an hour, the shoes are staying on……………..less to put back on.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
Hi USinUK
Just got back from the gym, and yeah you missed a biggie.
People were talking about God and Hell and the medieval interpretations and Bosch made a funny!
“Um, what the hell is RB talking about?”
Then getalife came in with one of his astute observations
“When you cut services for the poor children, you are not pro life.”
so it’s just another freewheeling time at Jay’s place.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
Kammy – you silver tongued devil you!!
Bosch – where am I gonna get those? Tea Party ‘R Us Harlot Apparel??
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
“DaveR wants you to believe that ”Jay just wants you to believe that young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault” but he’s been a bit silient about posting evidence to back that absurdity.”
as has GLL et al
Perry supports abstinence education = Texas’s high pregnancy rate is ALL PERRY’S FAULT!!!
(but, as I said earlier, that actually makes sense when you consider all the stuff they say is Obama’s fault – the stock market, the EU economy, the price of gas, etc – of course they think we think the same way)
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:43 pm
Matti,
Tea tard is acceptable. After all anyone who wants a balanced budget and for the government to live within its means has just got to be crazy.
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:43 pm
Living in denial is no solution.
As much as the reactionary right wing desperately wants to get back there, the 1950s are not coming back. Ever. Never.
Progress or die.
Just don’t take the rest of us with you…
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:43 pm
Bosch:
I think you insinuated that natural abortions were caused by God and therefore his would also be a “murderer”.
I simply opined that as God (the Creator) He has the right (and knowledge) to know what is best ………….. we don’t. He therefore can send souls He created to hell for eternity ……….. and it’s His right ………. not murder.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
Liberal Larry, I’ve opined about the farm subsidies and Medicaid disbursements to Marcus Bachman’s “faith based” enterprise; but glad you brought up the foster children. the State of Minnesota (and likely via any number of Federal programs) takes money from producers (taxpayers) and gives it to moochers like the Bachman’s foster kids. Of course, the kids don’te get a check every month, the Bachman family does. I suspect a portion of that redistributed wealth has paid for any number of footlong hot dogs. I’m just speculating, of course.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
Kam – “having a fund raiser at a bondage themed lesbian strip-club doesn’t seem to draw the same level of poutrage.”
well, of course not! men kissing men is icky – they don’t have quite the same problem with wimmen kissing wimmen.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
Excuse me: “He” would also be ……………
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
@@
No I didn’t “snitch” I was putting something in context for Jay, or hoping that I was. Ask getalife
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
I see my cyber-stalker monkey is rattling his cage again.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:45 pm
Tea Party ‘R Us Harlot Apparel??- Midori
Yes. It must be the tea party that is the community that has near 70% of their babies born out of wedlock.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
12:45 pm
USinUK
“as someone else once said “abstinence works … until it doesn’t” ”
High school biology – even way back then, it was memorize this and diagram that and list the types of birth control and the percent effectiveness and all that. Teacher was describing different methods and asked ‘what do you call people who use birth control?” Blank looks from students, then he said “parents.”
Lots of ‘uh-oh’ expressions…..
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:46 pm
ME, I think you need to out an * next to Alaska, as it would be much less without the Palin family data
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
12:46 pm
Well, sorry folks, I know you hate the thought but morality is the best thing going to prevent unwanted pregnancies. It suggests self control and appreciation for one’s own body as something precious to be protected. It makes joy in marriage without guilt or explanations.
Morality should be understood and taught by parents from an early age. To grow with faith and morality also takes good examples as parents should remember.
So carry on about your abortions, sex education, and what you gotta have ‘casue you are human. It is just an excuse for human weakness and the inability to control your own impulses. YOU are responsible for your own weaknesses and the trouble they bring.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
PaddyO: Bout time we got to dem evil ole tea party folk. Can I get an Amen on that nutcake Bachman! Raising 5 kids and 17 foster kids doesn’t make you the ideal for womanhood. It makes you evil! As Debbie points out you got to be dumb to care bout that many kids when the govt can do it for you!
Oy vay — you believe EVERYTHING that woman says don’t ya?
First — She didn’t RAISE 17 foster kids. Some of those kids only stayed with her a few days or weeks, not until they were adults.
Two – She got PAID for doing it! She got money from the evil Govern-ment, as well as food subsidies, medical subsidies AND,(GASP!) the dreaded FOOD STAMPS!
Three – You don’t have to be dumb to care for kids, just dumb to believe everything a politician (a dumb one at that) says.
I wonder……did I just call you dumb?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
nd gives it to moochers like the Bachman’s foster kids.- Joe the Plutocrat
Just as I suspected Joe. Bachman must be doing it all for the money! The moolah! I suspected all along the woman was doing it to get rich off those govt checks and now it is confirmed. It must pay a lot more than being a $400 an hour tax attorney.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
Awww… Dave is name calling again. How original. And yet he fails to address the absurdity of his claim. Dave fails again.
Got anything besides name calling, Dave?
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
Bosch,
Thank you .
“I see my cyber-stalker monkey is rattling his cage again”
I don’t think dave r is capable of writing no personal attacks.
It is bizarre he gets a free pass.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
USinUK, or comedian Steve Martin who quipped; as a celebrity, I feel it is important to give something back. I support teenage mothers; I help them get their start.
md
August 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
“People come from there.
ALL PEOPLE.”
Might want to re-think that one……………..
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
“I know you hate the thought but morality is the best thing going to prevent unwanted pregnancies. It suggests self control and appreciation for one’s own body as something precious to be protected. It makes joy in marriage without guilt or explanations.”
http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsTeenPregnancy/
gosh, I guess that means that the folks in the Netherlands, France, Germany, and the UK are WAYYYYY more moral than Americans
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:49 pm
Joe –
mm
August 24th, 2011
12:50 pm
GA
First in teen pregnancies
First in bank closures
First in corrupt politicians
Last in education (you can’t be good at EVERYTHING)
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:50 pm
Scout, did you just argue that (your) god has “rights”? If our rights have been endowed by our Creator, who/what bestowed god’s rights? be careful, it could be “the big bang” or the cosmos.
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:51 pm
If it takes an hour, the shoes are staying on…………….
+++++++++++++++++
And besides, strapping the spurs directly to the ankles is inhumane.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:51 pm
Debbiedoright. You almost got me. I don’t believe in a balanced budget therefore I am not dumb as is Bachman. I likewise do not believe in govt living within its means like those nutty tea party nuts. I believe in runaway govt spending- that makes me intelligent- just like you.
On Bachman I kinda figured she was scamming the system. Who knew that those checks from the govt paid more than charging $400 an hour as a tax attorney? Who knew?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:51 pm
Once again Scout: fail. ’twas not I who initiated that, only agreed.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
12:52 pm
In the South, ‘retard’ is what you are when you get old and stop working.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
12:52 pm
USinUK, then make the case as to why Jay decided to bring Perry into the discussion at all? Does not the “evidence” stand by itself without focusing on (arguably) the leading candidate for the GOP nomination? Why not point out the top 10 states as Mary Elizabeth has done and leave it at that?
No, the bottom-line is that this gives Jay another cheap shot at a Republican by painting him and his beliefs as the cause for the higher rates.
You know it, and it is intellectually dishonest of you to not admit it.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
12:53 pm
First an earthquake to shake up DC and now a hurricane headed that way. God must be really p*ssed about the way things are going up there.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:53 pm
“your agnosticism may explain your pushing immorality”
I’m not agnostic
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
12:53 pm
md
while i could be satirical and claim that some people are hatched, or
perhaps delivered from an orifice farther south, and one could split hairs and point out c-sections, but yes all people come from there….
i’m pretty sure there is an internal exit sign just above the cervix
in all women.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:53 pm
Dusty, I think the subject of this blog is maybe “morality” isn’t the best way to prevent unwanted pregnancies (birth control, including abortion) is. and this is not to say that the concept of abstinence (what my old catholic school nuns used to refer to as “self-control”) is not an important part of a comprehensive teen pregnancy prevention program; but as I said, when Bristol Palin is a national spokesperson for abstinence, it’s like Charlie Sheen telling kids to “just say no”.
Junkie Brewster
August 24th, 2011
12:54 pm
Who is John Galt? Why, he’s a poorly written character in a second rate novel. Why do you ask?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
12:54 pm
getaclue, you’re right.
I left out “lying” when describing my cyber-stalker monkey.
Mary Elizabeth
August 24th, 2011
12:54 pm
CORRECTION:
I erroneously listed 11 states with the low birth rates, not 10. That means that Pennsylvania should not have been included because it was number 11. Therefore, the average % of lack of literacy skills for that listing of states with low birth rates should have been only 9.7%, NOT 11.0%. That confirms even more my original thought about the correction of literacy to teen birth rate.
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Thus, those states with high teen birth rate had an average lack of literacy of 14.6% compared to 9.7% of those states with low teen birth rate.
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BTW, MA on my chart is for Massachusetts, and LA is for Louisiana. I think I got those abbreviations right. Hope so.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:54 pm
USinUK,
They aren’t any more moral over there. They’re just all on birth control. My old Dutch exchange student Mirjam was on birth control at 14 and her boyfriend regularly slept overnight in her bed with her on school nights beginning when she turned 15 over in the Netherlands.
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:54 pm
This is faith and ideology that is immune to evidence. It is the assertion that belief should trump outcome.
Sadly the dominant aspect of far right wing thought in America.
Facts? Who cares?
Results? Nah!
(God’s on our side.)
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:54 pm
Describing various forms of contraception, how they work, how to use them correctly, and their effectiveness rates does indeed constitute “education.”
Telling them: “Just say NO” constitutes advice, not education.
Knowledge is power. Shame is destructive. Want kids to grow up to be responsible adults? Knowledge empowers them to do so. What kind of MORONIC effing non-logical peabrain would argue otherwise?
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
12:55 pm
“‘retard’ is what you are when you get old and stop working.”
I thought it was what happened in a NASCAR pit stop.
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:55 pm
well, of course not! men kissing men is icky – they don’t have quite the same problem with wimmen kissing wimmen.
++++++++++++++++
Yep! Anybody got the address for the fund raiser at a bondage themed lesbian strip-club?
Corey
August 24th, 2011
12:55 pm
Repeatedly referring to the POTUS as Odumbo, Obozo or Owhatever does not make his opposition more electable. It only makes you appear more juvenile and lacking in intellectual substance.
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:56 pm
“Living in denial is no solution.”
You mean denying socialism is a fatal path would be foolish? Surely not?
md
August 24th, 2011
12:56 pm
If c-sections weren’t so prevalent, I might agree………………but that exit isn’t between the legs.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:56 pm
Dave is looking to get another warning from Jay again for his childishness or maybe just a time out in the corner.
Tick, tick, tick Dave
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:57 pm
Dave – “No, the bottom-line is that this gives Jay another cheap shot at a Republican by painting him and his beliefs as the cause for the higher rates.”
no, what it DOES do is:
1) give more fodder to the argument that GOPpers support failed programs
and
2) gives more fodder to the argument that the GOP wants hundreds of millions of YOUR TAX DOLLARS to CONTINUE going to support a failed program
what it does NOT do is say Perry support abstinence education = Texas’s high teen birth rate is ALL PERRY’S FAULT
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:57 pm
“‘retard’ is what you are when you get old and stop working.”
I thought it was what happened in a NASCAR pit stop
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
We done it when the feathers started falling off our former mayor
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:57 pm
Dave R,
You just stick with yer facts feller and we’ll stick with our rhetoric.
Mighty Righty
August 24th, 2011
12:57 pm
We know that teen pregnancy is much worse among hispanics resulting in distorting Perry’s record in Texas. Obama has just issued an executive order forbidding the deportation of illegal hispanics will result in an increase in illegal hispanics and result in an increase in teen pregnancy. It follows all of the bad things being attributed to Perry are now Obama’s policy and fault.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:58 pm
Liberal Larry – 12:54 – thank you for getting my point.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:58 pm
dave,
I am usually right but still feel bad about blaming Paul yesterday.
A knee jerk reaction that I try not to do.
Did you sign a contract with the AJC for amnesty on personal attacks?
snagged snapper
August 24th, 2011
12:59 pm
Well, it’s a good thing Obamacare will cover birth control for teens then.
Meanwhile in other news, Obama was on the golf course (where else) yesterday on Martha’s Vineyard when the earthquake hit. It caused him to miss his putt on the 14th hole, and he finished 3 over par. Geologists concluded late yesterday that a new fault line has been found post-quake ranging from Baltimore to Richmond. The Obama Administration has decided to give it a name: Bush’s Fault.
Maxine “The Mouth” Waters told the Tea Party to go to hell, and the media is silent. NO admonishment from the Democrat representation. So much for Obama’s call for more civility. Maybe she is becoming senile and thought he called for more hostility instead. In any event, I’m sure the media would have been just as silent had Rubio told the liberal Democrat representation to go to hell.
Gallup’s latest polling on Obama: 38% approve, 54% disapprove. Guess that means 54% of this nation now is racist.
State utilities are raising rates or plan on raising rates soon in response to the Obama administration’s killing off coal plants and stricter emission requirements. My power bill this month is $26 more than this period last year, and I used *fewer* KWH last year.
Before backtracking, while in China Biden made a comment that secretly most if not all “progressives” believe in: one child per family. It’s all part of that “think green” religion they believe in and all.
Yep, keep the humor going libs….
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:59 pm
Liberal larry, oh, do you mean when she was a federal employee (IRS), who took advantage of the “liberal” benefits (materninty leave) and ended up only actually working 8-9 months per year? listen, Skippy; $400/month x 17 adds up and as I said, take away the $250,000 in “family farm subsidies” and the $150,000.00 marcus got to fix homos, and well; “pork is pork”. again, if you want to question the use of the word “evil’ – I support you. to wit; I did not say the Bachman’s are “evil” I said they are duplicitous moochers who suckle at the teat of big government. And out of curiosity; how is some “welfare queen’ with 17 kids less “entitled” to $400/month than a white, Christian, lawyer with 17 foster kids?
Midori
August 24th, 2011
12:59 pm
Yes. It must be the tea party that is the community that has near 70% of their babies born out of wedlock.
their spokesmodels are Bristo and Sarah.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:00 pm
Intellectually dishonest is Dave’s attempt to change what Jay posted…. as someone, I dont remember who, posts a consistent whine about others not being able to speak for them as he does consistently for others.
But its all about the effort to be a intellectually dishonest in his own posts and then try to claim others are doing what he is doing.
“Do NOT look behind the curtain”
snagged snapper
August 24th, 2011
1:01 pm
“Repeatedly referring to the POTUS as Odumbo, Obozo or Owhatever does not make his opposition more electable. It only makes you appear more juvenile and lacking in intellectual substance.”
Hey Corey: did you say the same about the libs who called Bush “shrub” and “chimp in chief” and whatnot?
Didn’t think so.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
1:01 pm
Then why mention Perry’s name and link to a video of Perry at all, USinUK?
If you want to blame the POLICY, blame the POLICY.
If you want to blame someone else, put a face to it. Just as Jay did.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:01 pm
Doggone
I think of myself as a Christian agnostic.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
1:01 pm
First an earthquake to shake up DC and now a hurricane headed that way.
actually the earthquake orignated in Virginia. In no other than Eric Cantor’s district.
and that is a sign of what now?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:02 pm
““your agnosticism may explain your pushing immorality””
uh-oh. it looks like agnosticism is the new socialism (in that the people who use the term have no flippin clue what it means)
saying that you can’t prove or disprove the existence of God (the definition of agnosticism) leads to immorality???
as Bosch said earlier – I hope you stretched before you made that leap
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
1:03 pm
“I think of myself as a Christian agnostic”
I’m waiting for someone to try a response that was once posted to me when I first started coming here: that there is no such thing as natural abortion!
getalife
August 24th, 2011
1:03 pm
“and that is a sign of what now?”
He is against ending Medicare.
I think his son is too.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
1:03 pm
Larry: Debbiedoright. You almost got me. I don’t believe in a balanced budget therefore I am not dumb as is Bachman.
She didn’t believe in it either, well at least until it became a political platform that she could stand and rant on. then all of a sudden, surprise, surprise! bachman is a true believer!
I likewise do not believe in govt living within its means like those nutty tea party nuts.
Who TOTALLY wasn’t even AWARE that the US was running up debt until January 2009! Hmmmmm I wonder what happened in January 2009 to make them into instant true believers….???…??
I believe in runaway govt spending- that makes me intelligent- just like you.
When did you start noticing the debt? Was it in January 2009 too?
On Bachman I kinda figured she was scamming the system. Who knew that those checks from the govt paid more than charging $400 an hour as a tax attorney? Who knew?
Why would someone, who makes $400 an hour trade that job in to become a Congressman and make $125K/yr.? Do you think she was probably a very, very, BAD tax attorney and had to change careers? Enquiring minds wanna know…….
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
1:03 pm
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
+++++++++++++++
We have not fostered any children to date, have you?
snagged snapper
August 24th, 2011
1:04 pm
“My power bill this month is $26 more than this period last year, and I used *fewer* KWH last year. ”
Fixed: Used fewer KWH *this* year.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:04 pm
“Then why mention Perry’s name and link to a video of Perry at all, USinUK?”
awwwwwwwwww … diddums … do you not understand that he is a front-runner in the GOP presidential pool, so people should understand his stance on certain issues???
is that simply beyond your comprehension???
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
1:04 pm
Of course, the kids don’t get a check every month, the Bachman family does. I suspect a portion of that redistributed wealth has paid for any number of footlong hot dogs.
What Marcus Bachmann does
with rent boysin the privacy of his own closet is his business.Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:04 pm
Anybody got the address for the fund raiser at a bondage themed lesbian strip-club
7969 Santa Monica Blvd. West Hollywood Ca
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
1:06 pm
“If you want to blame the POLICY, blame the POLICY.”
BUT NEVER EVER EVER BLAME ONE WHO SUPPORTS THE POLICY AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS
that would be too mean and an attack on their character….
(multiple snarcasms)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:06 pm
is that simply beyond your comprehension???
Yes… another episode of simple answers to simple questions…
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:07 pm
Keepy-Uppy – I know. it’s sad.
GG – or at least, never ever shine a light on people who support failed policies that cost the American taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars every year.
whatever you do, don’t do that.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:08 pm
I thought we were “blaming” the kids who are not employing “the policy”. that’s like saying; “people don’t kill people, the 2nd Amendment kills people.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:09 pm
Doggone
No natural abortion? Hmmm well I’ll make sure to tell the OB that. I wonder what that was that caused our second child to die in utero?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
1:09 pm
Which is EXACTLY why Jay wants to blame him and his policies for the higher rate!
Thanks for FINALLY admitting it, USinUK.
There’s hope for you yet.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:09 pm
“When did you start noticing the debt? Was it in January 2009 too?”
A bit like the Captain and 1st Mate of the Titanic arguing who hit the iceberg…….the ship went down regardless……………
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:10 pm
How much of your federal tax dollars goes to a failed program???
why a quarter of a BILLION, thankyewverymuch:
“A little-noticed provision of the health legislation has rescued federal support for a controversial form of sex education: teaching youths to remain virgins until marriage.
The bill restores $250 million over five years for states to sponsor programs aimed at preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by focusing exclusively on encouraging children and adolescents to avoid sex. The funding provides at least a partial reprieve for the approach, which faced losing all federal support under President Obama’s first two budgets.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032602457.html
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:10 pm
getalife
Please put it out of your mind. It’ fine.
Dave R.
“Then why mention Perry’s name and link to a video of Perry at all, USinUK?
If you want to blame the POLICY, blame the POLICY.”
Is that not what Jay did? Discussed a program (abstinence-only sex education), gave data to show that program is ineffective compared to other programs, then linked to a video of a presidential candidate of a state that relies on such a policy wherein he asserted the program was a good program and any negative results indicated a failure of something other than the program.
Given Jay wrote “It is the assertion that belief should trump outcome. ”
Is not that the issue? That a candidate for president seems to indicate facts are what he wants them to be, regardless of what data shows?
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
1:11 pm
TX Bumper Sticker…….”My Daughter Practiced Abstinance, and All I Got Was This Lousy Grandkid”
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:11 pm
“Which is EXACTLY why Jay wants to blame him and his policies for the higher rate!
Thanks for FINALLY admitting it, USinUK.”
nice try, but FLAIL
getalife
August 24th, 2011
1:12 pm
md,
The last campaign included addressing the debt.
Scalpel vs axe remember?
The suddenly fiscal cons decided to use terror hostage taking to give us our first down grade.
Lets get our facts right this cycle.
Thanks.
Late to the debate
August 24th, 2011
1:13 pm
Despite liberal evidence to the contrary, no one has ever gotten pregnant while being abstinent. You teach your kids about sex…I’ll teach mine. You pay for your kids sexually transmitted diseases. I’ll pay if mine comes home pregnant.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
1:13 pm
Matti: What kind of MORONIC effing non-logical peabrain would argue otherwise?
Oh Matti — are you new on this blog?
Joe: And out of curiosity; how is some “welfare queen’ with 17 kids less “entitled” to $400/month than a white, Christian, lawyer with 17 foster kids?
Oh Joe, your ignorance is showing. Again.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:14 pm
and since this was at the end of the last page, I’m so reposing:
How much of your federal tax dollars goes to a failed program???
why a quarter of a BILLION, thankyewverymuch:
“A little-noticed provision of the health legislation has rescued federal support for a controversial form of sex education: teaching youths to remain virgins until marriage.
The bill restores $250 million over five years for states to sponsor programs aimed at preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by focusing exclusively on encouraging children and adolescents to avoid sex. The funding provides at least a partial reprieve for the approach, which faced losing all federal support under President Obama’s first two budgets.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032602457.html
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
1:14 pm
Again, Paul, your disdain for all things Perry is showing.
If you want to blame the POLICY, blame the POLICY.
If you want to blame the PERSON, put a face to it. As Jay did.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:16 pm
So we have sunk to the point of implying that a woman taking in foster children was in it for the money. And next up on today’s episode of “How Low Will a Lib Go.”, we’ll revisit the rumor that Sarah Palin’s daughter was the real parent of Trig.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
1:16 pm
Joe Plutocrat
If children are raised with morals, they don’t need a teenage idol to teach them about self control. Their parents have already done it. I think Britol Palin is more an example of what you don’t want to happen than how to prevent it. Whatever. I hope she has some success.
MATTI,
NO, I disagree that education is the one and all for everything. Morality is taught from birth by parents and most often by example. Yes, children are taught from the day they are born and in many ways.
I am all for formal education as the great mind expander. That was always the thought extended in our family. Morality makes life more meaningful and extends those benefits to others. But the most ignorant of people can be moral. The most intellectual of people can be evil. Moral and evil are not partners.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:16 pm
Paul
Namejacking is never ok- especially when they do it to you. Personally , I think it was Peadawg.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
1:16 pm
AmVet – murder by code? So the action by Nazis, sanctioned by the law & governing body in Germany was NOT murder by your reply? You contort your philosophy as much as is humanly possible. Again: Explain how it is NOT murder?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:16 pm
“So we have sunk to the point of implying that a woman taking in foster children was in it for the money. ”
yeah. no one on the right says that about poor women who HAVE kids.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:17 pm
Is not that the issue? That a candidate for president seems to indicate facts are what he wants them to be, regardless of what data shows?
Yeah, pretty much….
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
1:17 pm
I gotta’ be honest …
While I taught my ‘Zillettes that they should wait and be an adult before engaging in intercourse, I never believed that it was best for a
woman to be a virgin when she married.
Still don’t.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:17 pm
their spokesmodels are Bristo and Sarah- Midori
Well then I guess one example makes the whole thing true. Bristol must be the one that pushes that figure to near 70% of out of wedlock births for her entire tea party community. It is the those dreaded tea party folk that have near 70% out of wedlock birth rates right?
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
1:18 pm
Teen pregnancy isn’t real…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOfTJAoiFg8
getalife
August 24th, 2011
1:18 pm
Bosch,
The vast rw conspiracy lives on this blog.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:18 pm
“If you want to blame the PERSON, put a face to it. As Jay did.”
ohsweetjeebusonajetski
you can show someone’s SUPPORT for a failed policy without saying that he is AT FAULT for the situation.
keep flailing, Dave – just know that you only make yourself look foolish.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:19 pm
Personally , I think it was Peadawg.
Statistically speaking, I would put my money on Gandalf.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
1:19 pm
“Hmmm well I’ll make sure to tell the OB that. I wonder what that was that caused our second child to die in utero?”
Or my Mother’s spontaneous abortion that happened between my birth and my sisters birth?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:19 pm
getalife – I read that at first as the vast vw conspiracy and wondered what Passats had to do with it
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:22 pm
So we have sunk to the point of implying that a woman taking in foster children was in it for the money. And next up on today’s episode of “How Low Will a Lib Go.”, – godless heathen
Nope. You got it all wrong. When tea party women accept govt money to help foster children it is morally reprehensible. When liberal women accept the same it is the moral and proper thing to do. Got it?
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2011
1:22 pm
I think Britol (sic) Palin is more an example of what you don’t want to happen than how to prevent it.
Watching Dusty “explain” things is like watching Obama bowl.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:22 pm
“yeah. no one on the right says that about poor women who HAVE kids.”
Is that the “Two wrongs make a right argument.”, or the “But they did it first.” argument?
md
August 24th, 2011
1:23 pm
“Scalpel vs axe remember?
The suddenly fiscal cons decided to use terror hostage taking to give us our first down grade.
Lets get our facts right this cycle.”
Remember well, as another entitlement program was added to the stable of unaffordable programs. And then the vaunted passage of Paygo………which has been in mothballs since signing……….
Yes, I remember…………
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
1:23 pm
Dusty,
Thanks, as always, for disagreeing with me, but I never said, “education is the one and all for everything.” I never said you should not give children the advice to “Just say No.” I merely said that advice does NOT equal education, and if you want people to be empowered to make responsible choices, then education (knowledge) is the key element in there. But again, thanks for disagreeing!!
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:23 pm
Late to the debate
“Despite liberal evidence to the contrary, no one has ever gotten pregnant while being abstinent.”
So how do women with tubal occlusion become pregnant?
Dave R.
What in that post showed a disdain for Perry?
My point was, the policy would not exist without the support of the governor. If a governor persists with mandating only one program when data indicate it is ineffective compared to other programs, then the program is ineffective and the governor who maintains the program without changes bears responsibility for outcomes.
If a doctor maintained injections of solution X would mitigate the effects of disease Y, although the beneficial results would be of low occurrence, and the doctor had studies available that showed solutions A, B, C and D had much higher incidents of positive outcomes, yet he till insisted on administering only solution X, does the doctor bear any responsibility for a greater than necessary incidence of negative effects?
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:23 pm
godless – no, it’s the “here ya go, here’s a mirror … take a good, long look” argument
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
1:24 pm
Oh, yeah, and to Jay’s assertion that clearing a scientist of misconduct helps to settle the issue of global warming, he might wish to read and understand the entire article he cites “Global warming has been revealed as a hoax, even though every investigation of the data has upheld its accuracy”:
“Much of the current debate focuses on the viability of the statistical procedures he employed, the statistics used to confirm the accuracy of the results, and the degree to which one specific set of data impacts the statistical results. These concerns are all appropriate for scientific debate and to assist the research community in directing future research efforts to improve understanding in this field of research.”
To simplify it so that even Jay can understand it, the scientist has been cleared of manufacturing the data, but his methods and conclusions are still in question.
Hardly upheld.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:25 pm
So now we have a “new rule”….
When discussing issues, you can never cite a person who states that position because it is “blaming” them.
The latter part of Davey post (12:05) was that Jay was trying to smear a Republican candidate. I guess its smearing a candidate to point out that they support failed policies. How absurd.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:25 pm
Govt is supposed to have a policy on teenage pregnancy and sex? As if they aint got enough other nanny state duties to do already? I thought we liberals wanted the government out of our bedrooms? Do we need a new govt regulatory body to regulate teenage sex and pregnancy? Yep. We shore do. Someone call Barack and tell him we needs a new teenage sex czar. And fast! Maybe Roman Polanski is available to take the job.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:25 pm
DDR, “ignorance”? really? the gubvimint supporting ANY child is contrary to the tea party ethos, no? does it really matter to John Q. Public Taxpayer if his $400 goes to some black woman in SE Atlanta or some white woman in rural Minnesota? Now don’t get me wrong, if the Bachman’s supported/raised these 17 foster children on that was earned via private sector employment, and if they swore off or refused ANY gubvimint stipends ($400/child, for example), then I say OK, but it just seems to me that a woman who is presently a civil servant (federal employee), once worked as an IRS employee, and whose family farm ($250K) and family business ($160K) from Uncle Scam; we’ll that is some really weak TEA.
Dusty, morality is subjective. The Hitler Youth had a moral code. And as I said, I think abstinence has its place, but it is anything but effective. Sarah Palin got knocked up before she was married. Her daughter got knocked up before she graduated H.S., and her oldest son knocked up his bride-to-be as well. I mean, call it “bad luck” or “the fertile family” – anything but “abstinence”
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:25 pm
Bosch
I did not mean the namejacking was okay. I meant getalife should no longer feel badly about his reaction.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
1:25 pm
Snapper — “Hey Corey: did you say the same about the libs who called Bush “shrub” and “chimp in chief” and whatnot?”
Yeah, actually, I did.
I don’t call our elected leaders cutesy names, and I don’t have a very high opinion of people who do. I call our Presidents things like “President,” “Mr. Obama,” “Mr. Bush” and the like, whether I voted for them or not and whether I personally like them or not.
IMO, serious people who have serious arguments to make will make them in a serious manner. People who can’t manage anything better than “Obozo” or “Shrubya” don’t deserve to be taken seriously, IMO.
To be fair, I think I referred to “Attorney General Arschkraft” in a fit of pique a few years ago (if you don’t speak German, look it up), but other than that, I speak respectfully of our elected leaders. If you don’t, then you have no business calling others out on not doing it themselves. And if you’re not going to oppose it when people on your own side do it, then STFU with your faux poutrage when people on the other side do.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
1:26 pm
So we have sunk to the point of implying that a woman taking in foster children was in it for the money. And next up on today’s episode of “How Low Will a Lib Go.”,
I see let’s go all the way to the depths of Moby Dick’s feces and talk about all those mooching poor people who have the GALL to own microwaves and refrigerators.
I mean, one can only stand so much!!!
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
1:26 pm
So we have sunk to the point of implying that a woman taking in foster children was in it for the money. And next up on today’s episode of “How Low Will a Lib Go.”
Well, since she was such a lousy tax attorney, she had to get some money from somewhere now didn’t she? Sheesh!
PS: Remeber this one about McCain (see below), guess who put that out? HINT: It wasn’t a “Lib”. How low can a repug go? Or is that a rhetorical question?
The smears claimed that McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock (the McCains’ dark-skinned daughter was adopted from Bangladesh), that his wife Cindy was a drug addict, that he was a homosexual, and that he was a “Manchurian Candidate” who was either a traitor or mentally unstable from his North Vietnam POW days.[125][135] The Bush campaign strongly denied any involvement with the attacks.
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
1:26 pm
yeah. no one on the right says that about poor women who HAVE kids.
++++++++++++
I did, yesterday. At least that was the intended implication when I posted this link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029273/Woman-encouraged-husband-sex-12-year-old-girl-benefits.html#ixzz1VuYJfhoc
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:26 pm
UsinUK,
“godless – no, it’s the “here ya go, here’s a mirror … take a good, long look” argument”
Show me where I have ever said poor women have babies for the money.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:27 pm
“When discussing issues, you can never cite a person who states that position because it is “blaming” them. ”
hey, waitaminnit … so, if someone comes out and says that they support evolution, that we should BLAME them for penicillin-resistant bacteria?
or what if people say that they support the idea of man-made global warming, can we BLAME them for the disappearing iceburgs?
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
1:27 pm
““Despite liberal evidence to the contrary, no one has ever gotten pregnant while being abstinent.”
Every heard of artificial insemination?
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
1:27 pm
OK Granny
You did not explain why you taught your children abstinence but think it is NOT good to be a virgin at marriage.
One thought does not agree with the other.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
1:28 pm
Liberal Larry,
Nope. You got it all wrong. When tea party women speak publicly against accepting govt money for any reason, but meanwhile accept govt money to help foster children, bolster their family farm’s bottom line, and provide “counseling services” to pray with gay people (I thought that prayer thing was supposed to be free?), it is morally reprehensible. Got it? You’re welcome.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:28 pm
GG, or as my dad told me the day he dropped me off at college; “…just because you are capable of fathering a child, does not mean you are capable of being a father…”
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:28 pm
Debbie,
Nice attempt at deflection. Well done, but FAIL!
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:29 pm
godless – what part of “no one on the right” = YOU and only you???
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
1:29 pm
“What in that post showed a disdain for Perry?”
Nothing. It’s the entirety of your posts regarding Perry that open you up to a lack of impartiality.
Your and USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing when trying to defend the indefensible. Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else. If you don’t get that, then you’re not as smart as I always thought you two to be.
Jm
August 24th, 2011
1:30 pm
Pretend for a moment Perry controls the TX and teen pregnancy rates.
Would you really elect to pick someone else over a guy who delivers unbelievable job growth just because he does a bad job on teen pregnancy? Really?
Irrespective if how liberals answer, most people would pick the guy and overlook teen pregnancy issues. People want jobs jobs jobs. Someone needs to tell bookman an Obama: it’s the economy stupid.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:31 pm
The latter part of Davey post (12:05) was that Jay was trying to smear a Republican candidate.- keep up
Well of course. Smearing repubs is what we do. Dontcha know that
I guess its smearing a candidate to point out that they- support failed policies- keep up
I didn’t know state govts or federal govts were supposed to have official policies on teenage sex. As I said maybe we can establish a new regulatory body to regulate this aspect of our society and establish Roman Polanski as the teenage sex czar seeing as how he has some familiarity with the issue.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:32 pm
If you don’t get that, then you’re not as smart as I always thought you two to be.
Means “If you dont see it my way, you’re not as smart as I would never have given you credit for being anyway”…..
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
“Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else. ”
that’s not technical wordsmithing – that’s an Olympic-sized STRETCH
“If you don’t get that, then you’re not as smart as I always thought you two to be”
no, Dave – I don’t hear what the voices in your head are telling you. you’re the only one who hears them.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Your and USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing when trying to defend the indefensible.
Guilt trip tickets aboard the shame train.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Dave R — “Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else.”
When did Jay appoint you as his spokesman? Where do you get off asserting what Jay supposedly thinks?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Rick Perry is an abject failure at regulating teen sex. I demand that the feds take over, develop a new cabinet level agency to direct teen sex, and have Roman Polanski as the new teenage sex czar. There. Problem fixed.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
““here ya go, here’s a mirror”
USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing
Yup
rastudd
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
In my day the low out of wedlock birth rate could be attributide to: HER DADDY’S COMIN AND HE”S GOT A GUN!
Global warming is real the earth has been warming since the last ice age and will continue to the next ice age. But of course anything is controlable with more tax money sent to the politicians and General Electric.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
Awww Debbie,
You and Midori are just playing tiddlywinks with the facts. NO hope for Midori but you can do better. “she was a lousy tax attorney” etc. etc. Isn’t that just a Dem rumor? Skip that stuff. It sounds too much like spreading lies.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
LL .. I didn’t know state govts or federal govts were supposed to have official policies on teenage sex
Apparently you are ignorant of the programs regarding of abstinence only.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
Dusty,
One more time:
Statistical evidence clearly demonstrates that supplanting education with advice about caring for one’s own body is not effective. Does that mean we should no longer dispense good advice? Of course not! But one is simply NOT a substitute for the other.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
“People want jobs jobs jobs. Someone needs to tell bookman an Obama: it’s the economy stupid.”
got that, media???
don’t look into what they think about ANYTHING ELSE except their economic policies.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
Dave R.,
Yeah. Who the heck are you to assert what Jay thinks? Joe mama is the only mind reader on this blog!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
better stated: abstinence education only.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
keep up- you’re right. We need a cabinet level position to regulate this er- problem.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
The liberal in me has no problem with sex before marriage…………not all bodies are alike, and sometimes the physical differences do matter………..for whatever reason.
Tell death do us part is an awful long time……….being stuck with someone that is not physically compatible is a death sentence, not ever lasting bliss………………..
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
godless – it’s not “technical wordsmithing” – it’s called a METAPHOR.
you learn these things when you get an education.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
Liberal Larry, you’re nicking my shtik. But I agree re: Polanski because his teenage victim didn’t get pregnant. Won’t get into “why?” as it has to do with the difference between sodomy and intercourse, but that said, Perry did feel the SCOTUS tossing out the TX sodomy law was a states rights issue.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
1:38 pm
Debbie, ice attempt at deflection. Well done, but FAIL!
You made the statement “How Low Could A Democrat Go?” so I decided to show you that no one was LOWER than Rove. No one. Not even Cheney — and that’s saying something.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
1:39 pm
Dusty
I wanted my girls to have some experience….and not end up like some of the aunts and grand aunts who ended up married to clumsy oafish characters for a lifetime of misery.
Sex is such a good thing, a wonderful gift to humanity – I want them
always to use it wisely.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Dusty,
go stir your cauldron.
Zedd
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
JUST IN: President Obama has just confirmed that the DC earthquake occurred on a rare and obscure fault-line, apparently known as “Bush’s Fault”. Obama also announced that the Secret Service and Maxine Waters continues an investigation of the quake’s suspicious ties to the Tea Party. Conservatives however have proven that it was caused by the founding fathers, buried nearby, rolling over in their graves. Video at 6:00.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
To quote md, “The liberal in me has no problem with sex before marriage”
Sex before marriage should be a given, just as one would not buy clothes without trying them on…am I wrong?
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Dave R
““What in that post showed a disdain for Perry?”
Nothing. It’s the entirety of your posts regarding Perry that open you up to a lack of impartiality.”
Did you miss, or did you ignore, my posts regarding steps Texas took that prevented the severe shocks in the housing industry seen elsewhere? Or my posts regarding Gov Perry having a sustained, consistent policy of attracting businesses to Texas, in part by examining other states’ onerous business regulations and making sure Texas did not do the same?
“Your and USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing when trying to defend the indefensible. Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else. If you don’t get that, then you’re not as smart as I always thought you two to be.”
I’ll humbly submit it is not USinUK and I who should be embarrassed -
Normal
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
Zedd
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
Gots to go grab me a bunch of them there foster kids and make gobs of money raising them with them big fat state checks. According to Debbiedoright and Matti it pays a lot better than tax attorney work.And to think it took one of them tea party women to figure out how lucrative them govt checks are for foster kids- more money than tax attorney work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
All but two of the states with the lowest birth rates are from the Northeast.
All but two of the states with the highest birth rates are from the South.
Well, now you went and done it. I’m just going to wait till josef gets off work and gets on here so he can jump down your throat the way he does me and call you dirty names in Indian language and talk about how Uppity you are for looking down on the South. You just wait. You’ll get yours.
Mr_B
August 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
jm: That might be the case, if Perry was responsible for both the preg. rates and the job growth. I doubt he actually impacts either one very much.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
Cheney is a lowlife. The man gives away 20% or more of his income to charity and has given away millions in his lifetime. What I want to know is why that greedy pig can’t give away all of his income and assets to the poor.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Paul, don’t be humble….there is nothing that Dave comprehends about humility. One of a number of comprehension issues he suffers.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Larry — “Yeah. Who the heck are you to assert what Jay thinks? Joe mama is the only mind reader on this blog!”
I don’t need to claim to be a mindreader in order to point out that implicit claims of mindreading are full of bulldada.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Granny, please dial down the “clumsy, oafish” stuff. I am not saying “all men are created equal”, but neither are all women. truth is; the reasons we get married are not the same as the reasons we stay married; and by most accounts, “clumsy, oafish” men are clumsy and oafish from day one, ergo perhaps the “aunts and grand aunts” in uhappy marriages needed to spend more time determining if their mates were worthy outside of the bedroom. I agree sex is wonderful, but it is merely one cog in the relationship wheel.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Liberal Larry,
According to Debbiedoright and Matti it pays a lot better than tax attorney work.
You are a liar.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
“Sex before marriage should be a given, just as one would not buy clothes without trying them on…am I wrong?”
oh, I’ll say it …
TESTIFY!
Midori
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
via Twitter:
“that giant thump and subsequent shaking along the east coast was a result of Chris Christie jumping into the presidential race”
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
Stevie Ray: Adam, thanks for your various emotional diatribes protecting Obama at all costs. You do realize that the more defensive you become, the less credibility your statements have…..name calling and voice raising are not valid debate points. How anyone blindly can support any politician suggests lack of independent analysis of all issues separately. 911 didn’t happen on Obama’s watch but he gets credit for pushing the ball over the goal line when starting in the redzone….
So let me get this right, when telling you that your argument that Libya “just happened” on Obama’s watch was nonsense, I had: 1) various emotional diatribes, 2) called you names, 3) blindly supported a politician, 4) had a lack of independent analysis, 5) raised my voice, 6) Claimed something related to 9/11 and Obama.
Interesting. Not a single one of those happened. I only pointed out that Libya didn’t just “happen” on Obama’s watch, as you suggest, which would have required that the U.S. had stayed out of it. Your point #1 fails in two ways: I didn’t have “various” anything out of my one sentence, and it’s certainly not an emotional diatribe. #2, I didn’t call you names, #3 I don’t blindly support Obama, the only politician being discussed in my one sentence, #4 is projection – your argument isn’t an objective analysis, #5 I didn’t know someone could raise their voice over the internet, #6 I didn’t mention 9/11 at all in my one sentence.
You extrapolated a whole lot out of that one sentence that made no sense, and causes me to doubt your ability to reason logically.
Gale
August 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
I certainly agree with the sex before marriage position. The main problem with abstinence is that we are usually talking about teens in high hormonal flux. Telling them to not think about sex is like telling them to not breathe. Ok, extreme example. Telling them to be responsible about sex is more likely to be accepted. After all, today unprotected sex can get you more than preggers, it can get you a potential death sentence.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
“The liberal in me ”
That little liberal is so small, he can hang out with the Tidy Bowl dude and sail around in his little boat!
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:46 pm
okay, enough sex and drugs and rock and roll for me today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CxdH-CcMPg
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
1:46 pm
True Redemption:
“Convicted serial killer David Berkowitz — who terrorized New York in the late 1970s, killing six people and wounding seven — will not seek parole during his next opportunity in May, Berkowitz told FoxNews.com exclusively.
In a two-page letter to FoxNews.com, Berkowitz, also known as “Son of Sam,” said he has “no interest” in parole thanks to forgiveness by Jesus Christ. Berkowitz, 58, has previously been denied parole five times.
“I have no interest in parole and no plans to seek release,” Berkowitz wrote FoxNews.com in an Aug. 6 letter. “If you could understand this, I am already a ‘free man.’ I am not saying this jokingly. I really am. Jesus Christ has already forgiven and pardoned me, and I believe this.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/24/son-sam-david-berkowitz-wont-seek-parole-in-2012/#ixzz1VxvwK7Ue
“One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!”
But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.f”
Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
@@
August 24th, 2011
1:47 pm
The lack of attention to why girls feel compelled to have sex goes unaddressed. Treat the womb but not the girls.
I’ll never forget what I saw at a high school football game. A circle of boys…numbering 9 or 10. When security came to break it up, they all scattered. What was revealed was a teenage girl on her knees while the guy quickly zipped up his pants.
Teenage boys have always been cheap. Why do young girls feel the need to cheapen themselves? That’s the problem that needs to be addressed. As the young girl was walking away, I offered this:
“On your knees? YOUR KNEES? REALLY! Why? So 10 or 11 guys could be entertained by your self-humiliation? Wise up…it’s more about them than you, young lady.”
Absentee fathers contribute to a young girl’s lack of self-esteem. Mothers with live-in boyfriends set the example.
Very sad.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:47 pm
“Redneck” convert,
I love it that its still fashionable that we at least still have one group of people we can still deride and show bigotry towards- mainly poor white people in the south. Takes a mighty big man to put down them poor white folk in appalachia.
Reminds me of them folk that watch Jerry Springer. They watch it so that they can look down on losers that are even bigger losers than they. Makes em feel oh so good to look down on someone else.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
“The man gives away 20% or more of his income to charity and has given away millions in his lifetime.”
Yeah, funny how someone like Cheney who has worked in the government his whole life can have such millions like that to give away.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
RB: Parent your own children or stop having them.
And what laws are you willing to support to parent children or stop having them, since you are relying on this sole thing as the backup for not teaching sex ed?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:49 pm
sorry, since you’re relying on that one thing as the backup for abortions and condoms.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
Joe
No, I most certainly won’t “dial down clumsy and oafish” -
you never met Billy, Buddy or Mike…..oafish and clumsy.
I’m sorry if that struck you in some personal way.
That said, I do know women who dislike sex and have been faking it for decades with their husbands….and I feel very sorry for them.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
speaking of godless heathen’s earlier idea that Bush faults being portrayed are equal or greater than Obama faults, I have just gone through three pages and found 4 instances of Obama being a failure, and not one of Bush.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
Bosch — sort of like Deal is on his way to solvency so very quickly after being elected governor. But I am sure it has nothing to do with his political office.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
“Sex before marriage should be a given, just as one would not buy clothes without trying them on…am I wrong?”
Not to sound like I’m backtracking, but not necessarily…………it’s not just a physical package……..some have more emotion in the equation, so they may think a bit differently.
It should be to each his own, but I also find it amusing when folks do decide to test the field and then after getting married, wonder why it still occurs……………..
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
Bosch: “………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?”
Fiction
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
Liberal Larry, you had me at “Cheney is a lowlife”. and for the last time, IF THE GOVERNMENT pays couples to raise foster children, how is it different from food stamps, Section 8 housing, or the standard deduction for a child? please tell me you understand that fancy accounting and loophole-lade tax codes are at the core of the Tea Party position. the foster kid scam is as much “redistribution of wealth” as farm subsidies and Medicaid. the fact that the Bachman’s scored a “hat trick” for the moocher team is not even disputed.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
They watch it so that they can look down on losers that are even bigger losers than they.
I used to watch JS for the same reason I watched Cheaters.
I was waiting to see someone I knew.
real john
August 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
Jay:
While you did provide some evidence, the attempt by the left to destroy Perry is so apparent. First of all, you can’t compare Texas to states like Vermont and New Hampshire. Its not even apples and oranges.
Texas is larger than Vermont, New Hampshire, and Mass combined by a factor of about three. Texas’s population and GDP is higher than the vast majority of countries in the world. Its like when people try to compare something in the US to Sweden. I mean, really?
Of course running a state like Texas is much more difficult and the problems or much different. First of all, Vermont and New Hampshire are what 95% white. Texas has a large Latino and African American population which tend to have higher birth rates and abortions.
Because Perry is a threat, the left is pulling out all of the stops. However, I think they are really shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, come on Jay, what material will you have left by next year?
Btw, I’m not a huge fan of Perry at this point, but for people to act like Texas hasn’t done pretty well compared to other states is just simply incorrect. Texas has thrived the last ten years or so compared with most other places. Is it perfect, no; but not too bad either
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
Oh darn godless heathen beat me to my last post pages ago haha
Bill Orvis White
August 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
The teen pregnancy rate went down because so many of those pregnancies were terminated by Godless socialistic doctors. The liberal media refuses to give us the real numbers which I KNOW ARE MUCH HIGHER IN ALL 50 STATES. Now with that fact clearly stated here on this lefty blog, let’s go to the next conclusion: Debauchery has been way up since God was thrown out of of public schools (screwels), our teens have been on the pill and abortion was legalized by secular progressives. Now, those Godless doctors have tried to peddle their abortion in the African-American community. This is called eugenics which is what a guy named Adolph did a few years back. We all know how that turned out.
TELL THE TRUTH HERE, LIBERAL JAY! STOP THE LIES!
Amen,
Bill
Census statistician
August 24th, 2011
1:53 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
All but two of the states with the lowest birth rates are from the Northeast.- RC
And I’m betting these 2 states have the highest minority populations which skews the results.
All but two of the states with the highest birth rates are from the South.
And likewise I’m betting that these 2 states with the lowest birth rates also have the lowest minority populations.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:54 pm
Adam,
or Christian Mythology?
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:54 pm
USinUK: “you learn these things when you get an education”
When the attacks get personal, the argument is lost.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:55 pm
Bosch
“Yeah, funny how someone like Cheney who has worked in the government his whole life can have such millions like that to give away.”
He was head of a major corporation before he returned to gov’t service as VP.
Just a single illustration of the problem of the gov’t/corporate revolving door.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
Granny, I’m not just talking about “faking it” in the bedroom. I’l make a deal; as a male homosapien, I’ll cop to the charge of clumsy and oafish, but I want you to pick something beyonf “faking it” for women
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
Bosch: Same thing.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
“That little liberal is so small, he can hang out with the Tidy Bowl dude and sail around in his little boat!”
Ahhh……assumptions Bosch…….I may be the most liberal person on this blog for all one really knows.
The joys of posting on an anonymous blog……………………………..
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
“Of course running a state like Texas is much more difficult and the problems or much different. First of all, Vermont and New Hampshire are what 95% white. Texas has a large Latino and African American population which tend to have higher birth rates and abortions”
Uh Oh. Looks like another one of them naughty conservatives figured out that its due to demographics. Looks like we better move on to another lie.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
“He was head of a major corporation before he returned to gov’t service as VP.”
Paul,
Oh.
Well, he’s still evil personified.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:57 pm
Liberal Larry: Looks like another one of them naughty conservatives figured out that its due to demographics
Yep, just like in California, which has similar demographics.
real john
August 24th, 2011
1:57 pm
Jay:
What I mean is if you are going to compare Texas you have to use states that are in the same class and size….California, Florida, and New York are really the only states that you can compare. Tiny little New England states with populations of 1 million completely skew numbers.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
When the attacks get personal, the argument is lost.- godless heathen
Don’t go taking away our heated rhetoric and personal attacks. Its all we gots. You may win the policy debates but we do have our rhetoric and we can shout louder than you- just not on a blog.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
2:00 pm
“Sex should be like trying on clothes”….. Well, I can’t tell you how many clothes I have ‘tried on’. I have tried on clothes in cars, on a boat, in a park. I try on clothes every chance I get, I have talked many girls into trying on clothes. Girls really like to ty on clothes when they are drunk or high, I used to give them beer just so I could try on clothes. I hope to try on clothes a lot this weekend.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
2:00 pm
Strange how some seem to conflate certain population’s birth rates and abortions with a lack of abstinence. Perhaps the correlation is not to abstinence but to access to birth control or other factors. But that would not fit the diatribe would it?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:01 pm
When the attacks get personal, the argument is lost.
Project much?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
Oh DAMN Paul! I forgot to tell you something.
This morning Mrs. G referenced an article about how the recent earthquakes were manmade due to natural gas drilling.
Do you KNOW what natural gas drilling is called????
Huh? Huh?
Fracking. I kid you not. I explained to her that I knew that word from a totally different place, but it’s spelled a little different. And well, now we are talking about teen pregnancy and sex in a little thrown in, and you know, that word what it means and all.
Life is circular I tell you, circular….
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
“Yep, just like in California, which has similar demographics.”
13% of California is Asian which has a teenaged birth rate of about 15 per 100,000, almost half the rate of Caucasians and 1/5 that of Hispanics, if I remember correctly.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:03 pm
Joe the Plutocrat,
I think the evil of what Bachman does is that she took small stipends of govt money to support OTHER people’s kids and that is plainly evil.
Now if you take govt money to support your own kids because you don’t want to work or support them yourselves or because the worthless various fathers of your children are too worthless to support their own kids then that is ok and perfectly moral.
md
August 24th, 2011
2:03 pm
Now we know why women like to shop………..trying on all those clothes………
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:05 pm
There goes Godless heathen again with his facts. Facts are not to be trusted. Emotional rhetoric works much better for us liberals.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
2:06 pm
md,
What happens in the dressing room, stays in the dressing room…
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
Liberal Larry,
Are you by any chance related to a guy named Rightwing Nutjob in Full Glory? Or Redneck Convert?
Jefferson
August 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
Cut the funds, now.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
Joe
you want me to pick something else about women?
we generally smell better and are softer to the touch.
now you pick something ok buddy?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
2:08 pm
The inability of some to not recognize that which is staring them in the face is astounding.
Jay’s job is to write from the liberal perspective – not to be objective. In that job he writes many columns which dismiss or denigrate conservative policies. To make the point even more direct, he writes on average 3-4 columns a week using specific GOP candidates or leaders that he wishes to belittle, using their words and policies in a way that he believes will marginalize them in the eyes of voters
Whether his target is the Tea Party, the GOP, conservative thought or specific people in those areas, his goal is to BLAME them and their policies for what he believes is wrong with America.
To deny that he uses blame as a weapon is to simply deny reality.
Let the wordsmithing continue from the left.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
we generally smell better and are softer to the touch.
AND THERE WAS MUCH REJOICING!
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
Kamchak
One of my goals in life is to keep my Mr. G rejoicing for as long as possible….it’s a good thing.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
I really like it when I try on clothes with a beautiful girl, and then she gets me a sandwich and a beer. Some people smoke after trying on clothes.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
Ladies – wer’e in trouble. MD has found us out!!
Now we know why women like to shop………..trying on all those clothes………
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
Dave R.,
Question here. Do you go raise hell to Wingfield about his topics on his blog?
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
Dave R
That’s convenient for you.
Your’s is to find someone else to blame.
yes, grasshopper it is the yin and the yang.
md
August 24th, 2011
2:13 pm
“In that job he writes many columns which dismiss or denigrate conservative policies.”
I thought that was a given……..are there some that don’t know that?
All one has to do is look in the right hand corner regarding the last 10 “recent posts”…….and travelin music really doesn’t count……………….
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:14 pm
“and travelin music really doesn’t count………………”
HEY!!!! Who made YOU Blog monitor?
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
Midori
don’t tell the testosterone based life forms but when women shop for clothes we very often do so….in GROUPS!
ha cha cha!
md
August 24th, 2011
2:16 pm
“we generally smell better and are softer to the touch.”
And I’m guessing the “we” relates to this culture……………..in others, one has to smell rank enough not to notice the other…………….
Midori
August 24th, 2011
2:16 pm
lol, Mrs. G –
gives new meaning to the term “gang bang”
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:17 pm
“……………..in others, one has to smell rank enough not to notice the other……………”
Oh just damn. That was funny. I have sat next to the people from that culture on airplanes before.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
We should close the Gap and Old Navy, maybe so many young girls wouldn’t be trying on clothes before they were married.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
Dave R — “The inability of some to not recognize that which is staring them in the face is astounding.”
The ability of some to make stuff up and claim it to be unvarnished fact is astounding.
“Jay’s job is to write from the liberal perspective – not to be objective. In that job he writes many columns which dismiss or denigrate conservative policies. To make the point even more direct, he writes on average 3-4 columns a week using specific GOP candidates or leaders that he wishes to belittle, using their words and policies in a way that he believes will marginalize them in the eyes of voters”
Evidence for your earlier claim, please? Evidence and not supposition or (gasp) the dreaded WORDSMITHING? (laughing)
“Whether his target is the Tea Party, the GOP, conservative thought or specific people in those areas, his goal is to BLAME them and their policies for what he believes is wrong with America.”
Yawn.
“To deny that he uses blame as a weapon is to simply deny reality.”
When you’d like to offer some sort of evidentiary support for your earlier claim, I’ll be pleased to hear you out, sir. Unless and until you do, you’re engaging in presumption, guesswork and skylarking.
You could, however, preface your claims with something like ‘I believe that’ or ‘it’s my opinion that’ and I’d have little else to say.
“Let the wordsmithing continue from the left.”
Because Dave-O’s done wordsmithing that post for us. For his next trick, he’ll put on a hair shirt for us.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
Uh Oh. Looks like another one of them naughty conservatives figured out that its due to demographics. Looks like we better move on to another lie.
This just in!! “Liberal Larry Is A Troll”
More News at 6
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:20 pm
md
i know what you mean….ever been on a bus in Quan Zhou? or on a camel in Badaling?
bless a vicks inhaler.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
2:20 pm
Bosch — “Oh just damn. That was funny. I have sat next to the people from that culture on airplanes before.”
Serves you right for flying AirTran.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:20 pm
…when women shop for clothes we very often do so….in GROUPS!
Well, that begs a couple of questions.
Do you ask each other, “Does this make my butt look fat”?
If so, are you truthful?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:21 pm
Dave R.,
There is nothing wrong with denigrating Sir Richard Perry. I disdain the man’s fashion choices. He looks stuffy in them suits and cuff links. Boo the cuff links. Boo I say. And I want to see at least one hair outta place every once in awhile.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:22 pm
Its all we gots.
Larry your faux redneck and ebonics dialogue is off. Try listening to more Kid Rock or Eminem — that should kill two birds with one stone.
md
August 24th, 2011
2:22 pm
Bosch……..I once flew Iran Air to Europe………I swear I must have been the only soul on that flight that showered that morning………………..and to top it off, due to Islamic beliefs, there was no alcohol served on board……………..couldn’t even drink the odor away…………..
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:22 pm
Bosch,
I will neither confirm nor deny.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
2:24 pm
so when Dave writes about Obama and calls uses one of those idiotic TM phrases he likes to believe he originated, he is wordsmithing and trying to belittle the President to marginalize him and reality has nothing to do with it. Which is why Dave can make claims that are untrue like the President said unemployment would not exceed 8%….Dave’s not really objective. He’s belittling.
The inability of Dave to not recognize that which is staring him in the face when he looks in that mirror is astounding but I am sure he’ll deny it and tell you how he is above it all, etc.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:24 pm
Try listening to more Kid Rock or Eminem
Can’t I just drive red-hot railroad spikes through my ears instead?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:25 pm
Debbiedoright,
I don’t speak gutter dialects. I have my own linguistical nuances. That is what makes me so fantastical. In your case you can just call it Larribonics and be done with it.
They BOTH suck
August 24th, 2011
2:25 pm
“And I want to see at least one hair outta place every once in awhile.’
Forget hair out of place…… I’m going to get real suspcious on how bad he wants to be GWB if in a debate he just so happens to have a “crease” down the back of his shirt that by mere coincidence apears to be a wire of some sort ………………
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:26 pm
md,
Ewwwwwww….I just had the smell of onions waft through my nostrils for some reason.
Iran Air? What WERE you thinking?
md
August 24th, 2011
2:26 pm
“Does this make my butt look fat”?
And every guy knows that question only has one answer………………….and if he doesn’t know that……he will.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:27 pm
Liberal Larry,
Well, okay, if you are related to a certain Rightwing Nutjob, tell him hello from Bosch and I miss him.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:28 pm
“And every guy knows that question only has one answer”
My answer to that has always been, “No, it’s your butt that makes that look fat.”
md
August 24th, 2011
2:31 pm
“Iran Air? What WERE you thinking?”
Holiday weekend…..only flight with seats……….
Learned that if it ever happened again I’d stay home………..
getalife
August 24th, 2011
2:32 pm
My answer to that has always been, take it off so I can compare.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:32 pm
My answer to that has always been, “No, it’s your butt that makes that look fat.”
You and the OB sleep in separate beds?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:33 pm
And can you repugs prove that Rick Perry didn’t knock em all them girls in Texas and raise the teenage pregnancy rate? Ya’ll always gettin in some kinda trouble from chasing male pages to airport bathroom stall solicitations. ya’ll nasty.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:34 pm
Kamchak – For you. Why? Well, it could be because i like you. It could be because you are A-OK, or it could be because I’m EVIL…. take your pick!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt84J7U75e0
md
August 24th, 2011
2:34 pm
Was recently at the mall when some believers of other cultures wandered in……….cleared that store in a hurry………..
Guess they should change the signs to read: no shoes, shirts or showers…..no service.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:35 pm
My answer to that has always been, take it off so I can compare.
Much success with that line?
I would bet so.
Maybe their question is a signal.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:36 pm
Ya’ll haves fun now. I’m going to check out some Tejas girls on my match.com. Later.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
2:37 pm
Kam,
Works for me.
Makes them laugh and forget about the question.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:37 pm
DDR
That was just WRONG!
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:37 pm
getalife,
Kamchak,
Nope. It helps that the OB isn’t fat and has only asked that a couple times, and both times I obviously said it as a joke so as to not suffer permanent brain damage or a sexless existence.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
2:38 pm
“Less than two months after WND broke the story about a plan that would have Delta Air Lines impose Saudi Arabia’s Islamic rules on Americans in Washington and New York in order to fly directly to the Muslim kingdom, officials for Delta have promised not to ask anyone about their religious affiliation.
A statement from the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles reports that the airline, following a meeting with center officials, wrote in a letter to the center that, “Delta employees do not currently and will not in future, request that customers declare their religious affiliation. We would also not seek such information on behalf of any Sky Team partner or any airline.”
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:38 pm
And every guy knows that question only has one answer………………….and if he doesn’t know that……he will.
Depends on the man.
If he’s Black or Hispanic – Answer: Not big enough.
If he’s Islamnic – Answer: Can’t see it through your hijab
If he’s French – Answer: I never notice your butt, only the beauty in your face.
If he’s Italian – Answer: Well, no answer from an Italian, just a pinch.
If he’s White or Oriental – Answer: What butt?
@@
August 24th, 2011
2:39 pm
Why am I not surprised? Too many will avoid any conversation about the root cause in preference for “the root” or rut, if you will.
It’s what we, as a society, do. Like children, you make jokes.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
August 24th, 2011
2:39 pm
Texas girls are way hotter than the girls of Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire.
That also explains why it is some much colder in those states.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:40 pm
Scout,
And? So?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:41 pm
@@,
Or maybe we discussed it the first 100 times you posted that story…or are just not that into you.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
2:42 pm
Ladies & Queens,
Um… The validation of your hind region’s attractiveness is NEVER found by asking that ridiculous loaded question. Never let it escape your lips. For validation: use the mirror, shop your size, and strut it with ‘tude, Baby! They’ll come around to validate, and (Trust!) they won’t be toting a tape measure!
That is all.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
2:43 pm
@@,
I thought md’s question would get responses like Debbie’s.
You have to admit it is hilarious.
Smile @@.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
2:43 pm
Bosch:
Maybe you didn’t follow it earlier but they were identifying “Jews”.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:43 pm
Why am I not surprised? Too many will avoid any conversation about the root cause in preference for “the root” or rut, if you will.
It’s what we, as a society, do. Like children, you make jokes.
@@ I read your comment — however it was too dead on for me to answer; IOW I was too close to the subject to answer. I spent 2 1/2 years as a Social Worker and some of the things I have seen done to children still give me nightmares. Your point was valid — just too “hard” to contemplate.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:45 pm
If he’s White or Oriental – Answer: What butt?
I’m not sure, but I think I’ve just been racially offended.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
2:45 pm
Granny, “they smell better”? is that the best you can do? you’re an olfactory sexist!
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:46 pm
“you’re an olfactory sexist”
I know I am, but in a few minutes I will be orally impaired as I have a dentist appt. Yuck.
Later gators.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
2:47 pm
Bosch
“Life is circular I tell you, circular….”
Frak yeah. I’m in the middle of fracking country, remember? Even got a frakkin’ check for natural gas drilling.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:48 pm
Joe
still waiting for your pick….
Midori
August 24th, 2011
2:48 pm
I miss MST3K
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
2:49 pm
Larry, so, when a white Christian woman accepts restributed wealth to care for other peoples’ children it’s different when a black woman accepts redistributed wealth to care for other peoples’ children (say; Grandma, if mom is in jail, or a drunk, or whatever, and dad is nowhere to be found?). man, I see your point, where can I find me one of them Michelle Bachman Ethical Hairsplitting giizmos? you would do well to find another example (Ron Paul, perhaps?)
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:50 pm
Matti: For validation: use the mirror, shop your size, and strut it with ‘tude, Baby
Or as Beyonce would say “Bootlycious”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyYnnUcgeMc&ob=av3e
Normal
August 24th, 2011
2:50 pm
All I know is that I and my clan hold the female sacred. Our earth is mother to us all, our natural mothers, sisters, and lovers are life givers and man can come no closer to God than when he is in phyical union with a woman. Besides that…women are really good cooks…
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2011
2:50 pm
Great interview with Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin. Apparently the state will go from a 3.5B deficit to a 400M surplus, in just one year. Predictions from the unions that schools would be destroyed and teachers would lose their jobs have not panned out. Schools budgets have been approved for the coming year and many will have a surplus in funds, allowing them to hire more teachers and lower the class size. The average property tax in the state will stay the same or, get this, be lowered from last year. Milwaukee schools are projected to have a 200M surplus for the coming fiscal year. The Republican legislature is intact as is the governor’s office. Teachers will survive the system based on the merit system which allows excellence to float to the surface and the best teachers being retained. Despite the dire predictions by all of those peace loving, gentile public servants, it appears that the system has survived and been made a good bit better. Life is good.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
2:52 pm
Wasn’t “frak” a favorite word of Starbucks in Galactica?
@@
August 24th, 2011
2:52 pm
Bosch:
Show me the 100 times.
I couldn’t care less whether you’re into me. I’ve no doubt that many young girls would like to think you’re, at the very least, concerned about them.
It’s not a requirement. If you’re more comfortable with jokes, so be it. I’ll opt for concern.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
2:53 pm
Keep: The inability of Dave to not recognize that which is staring him in the face when he looks in that mirror is astounding but I am sure he’ll deny it and tell you how he is above it all, etc.
Or call you names. Like stalker. Even when it doesn’t apply.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
2:53 pm
Kayaker,
Who did the interview?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
2:53 pm
Midori — you can see some episodes of MST3K on Netflix streaming…. I wish they would do a political version.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
2:53 pm
kay,
He will probably leave a mess.
Most gop do.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
2:54 pm
Normal,
What do you want for dinner, Hon?
Thomas
August 24th, 2011
2:54 pm
The man gives away 20% or more of his income to charity and has given away millions in his lifetime.”
Yeah, funny how someone like Cheney who has worked in the government his whole life can have such millions like that to give away.
Response- yes, see Al Gore without the first part. Both are stooges.
Billybob
August 24th, 2011
2:55 pm
where does personal responsibility fit into your ideals bookman? easy question ………
Paul
August 24th, 2011
2:55 pm
Midori
Used to watch that show with my sons. Loved the humor. I gotta see if it’s on Netflix.
When I was in England Brit tv ran “the ten worst science fiction movies.” Attack of the Killer Tomatoes 9 From Outer Space made the list.
Good Saturdays -
marko
August 24th, 2011
2:55 pm
Read my lips, no new Texans.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
2:56 pm
Midori
Make that “and Plan 9 From Outer Space.”
Aquagirl
August 24th, 2011
2:56 pm
Wasn’t “frak” a favorite word of Starbucks in Galactica?
It was pretty much everyone’s favorite word.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
2:59 pm
Aquagirl
Frak yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nuHAFLqa0
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
3:00 pm
Read my lips, No new Texans
That’s very clever…
Can I use it please?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
3:00 pm
Adam, Dave and Doom lack the ability to comprehend what real stalking is, in the cyber-world or the real world. But its all part of their failing schtik like his monkey schtik or Doomy’s winning or GLL’s “obessed with me” or “Jay only bans cons” whine….
Their weakness is demonstrated when the schtik comes out.
kayaker 71
August 24th, 2011
3:00 pm
Normal,
Who did the interview? A guest host on the Limbaugh program, Mark Belling who broadcasts a talk show on WISN in Milwaukee. He is a personal friend of Walker… they grew up together.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
3:00 pm
Adam — “Or call you names. Like stalker. Even when it doesn’t apply.”
Indeed. Why just yesterday (paraphrase) . . .
Dave (to another poster) — ‘Your total ignorance of military matters renders you unworthy to ever again comment on this sort of topic!’
Joe Mama (to Dave) — ‘So, Dave, did you ever finish your research into the NATO Charter or were you just BSing me during our earlier discussion? Because you seem kinda ignorant on military matters yourself.’
Dave (to Joe Mama) — ‘STALKER!!!11!!eleventy!!’
md
August 24th, 2011
3:01 pm
I do have to say my answer was in context to my situation……..which means being asked by my better half……..vs females in general.
Haven’t had too many “females in general” ask me about their butts lately…………….
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
3:02 pm
Granny, by your standards, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin would be OK. what I mean to say is; I know lots of clumsy, oafish women who “smell nice” and I was even married to a clumsy oafish woman who did not smell nice – what was I thinking?
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
3:02 pm
Kayaker 71
That is really good news from Wisconsin. Shows that IT can really be done. That is :cut expenses and get out of debt.
Yoo hoo Washington….over here….in Wisconsin. It works! Try it!!
Midori
August 24th, 2011
3:04 pm
Paul and Keep – watching it right now on Google Video and laughing my butt off
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4328307743710470806#docid=3635881440453654020
bad werewolf, bad!!
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
3:05 pm
Thomas — “Response- yes, see Al Gore without the first part. Both are stooges.”
Al Gore went to Vietnam as an enlisted soldier. Dick Cheney got four deferments.
Better to be a stooge with some character and some backbone than to be someone like Dick Cheney.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
3:05 pm
kayaker, and let’s just wait until next year before we pop the cork on the chamagne bottles (both in terms of any deficit/surplus, or the health of the schools). wouldn’t be the first time a politico made a bold (and baseless) prediction/projection. does “you’re doing a great job, Brownie…” or “mission accomplished” ring a bell.
md
August 24th, 2011
3:05 pm
Did I hear NATO charter? The worthless one?
May as well tear it up……..isn’t worth the paper it is written on…………………certainly not followed by the majority of members.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
3:06 pm
md
The word you want to use is callipygian.
Talking Head
August 24th, 2011
3:06 pm
Obama is losing to Romney, Perry, and Bachmann in Florida polls.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2011/08/magellan-poll-obama-in-trouble-but-no-republicans-alighting-florida.html
Paul
August 24th, 2011
3:07 pm
Midori
I really need to work……….
But I can’t while I’m laughing….
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
3:08 pm
md — “Did I hear NATO charter? The worthless one?”
There’s more than one?
“May as well tear it up……..isn’t worth the paper it is written on…………………certainly not followed by the majority of members.”
Please, go on. What do you mean by all that?
md
August 24th, 2011
3:08 pm
“and I was even married to a clumsy oafish woman who did not smell nice – what was I thinking?”
Depends on which organ was doing the thinking………………….
God gave man a brain and a penis……………but only enough blood to power one at a time…………
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
3:09 pm
I’ve no doubt that many young girls would like to think you’re, at the very least, concerned about them. It’s not a requirement. If you’re more comfortable with jokes, so be it. I’ll opt for concern.
@@ some people use humor to diffuse talking about a subject that is just too hard and painful for them to talk about.
You know I used to be a Social Worker for DFACS in Augusta right? I once had a young girl who’d run away from an abysmal homelife and would come to Atlanta every few months. She’d live on the streets and fall into prostitution; pimped out by a 30+ y.o. man — she was 12. Four weeks ago, she was found with her throat cut and her body dumped in the garbage like trash and I went down to Augusta to her funeral. Looking in her casket was like looking at a woman who was in her 40’s or 50’s; she looked so old and worned down, but she couldn’t have been anymore than 20.
So yes, I know it’s a subject that need to be addressed, but right now, I’d prefer not to ’cause I couldn’t save her, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn’t save her. She felt that whatever was out there in the streets was better than what was happening to her at home. You spoke of finding some girl on her knees behind the bleechers, that you admonished, but did you think about what might have drove her to that act? What her homelife must be like? Why she felt more love on her knees in front of 10+ men then she ever felt at home?
Did you find her parents and admonish them? Not trying to cast any blame your way, just want you to see there are so many shades of gray and so many “stories” out there, that our just talking about it on a blog might not help it.
Become a Big Sister — mentor a girl; show her some love and some hope, that’s the best thing that any of us can do for the next generation coming up.
md
August 24th, 2011
3:12 pm
I mean the worthless “all for one and one for all” bullcrap…………the member nations voted to make Afghanistan a NATO mission………….nowhere in that charter does it say “and the US shall provide the bulk of the troops and do most of the fighting in hostile areas”…..or “the Germans will be restricted to sitting on their butts in Kabul”……………..
Did I miss that in the Charter?
md
August 24th, 2011
3:16 pm
Kam……the word I use is a very soft “no”………or “absolutely not”……or a gentle shaking of the head from side to side…………..
I know who holds the keys to the kingdom……………….
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
3:17 pm
Men and women differ when’ trying on clothes’. Men want to try on clothes with different people, while women want to settle down with the one they try on clothes with. It is good to have a variety when trying on clothes, because all clothes aren’t the same. Some clothes do things that other clothes won’t. Clothes come in different sizes and colors, some very exotic clothes can be found all over the world. Men like to take a nap after trying on clothes, while women want to ‘talk’.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
3:20 pm
DDR — a sad story. It’s too bad that we dont see less “bumper sticker” mentality and more compassion for the true human condition. The world is full of grays and real human stories.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
3:22 pm
I know who holds the keys to the kingdom…
I thought the kids were calling it the Cambrian explosion nowadays.
@@
August 24th, 2011
3:22 pm
First on Modern Healthcare’s 2011 “Most Influential” list was Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., chairman of the House Budget Committee. He even outranked President Barack Obama, who came in third.
Oh pooh
SCHNIRT
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
3:23 pm
AmVet: Paddy, no sir, no ballerina moves.
You said “abortion is murder”.
I said that is patently false.
You now want to now change the question to one of morality.
Ain’t happening.
Show me any accepted definition of the word abortion that includes murder.
This whole passage is prima donna ballerina – denying the obvious only means that your morality has been castrated. Abortion does what to the fetus? Removes it? Kills it?
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
3:24 pm
Thanks Keep.
I’m out. Later gators.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
3:25 pm
debbie – pretending that there are NO immoral, unethical females AND/OR females is typical liberal utopianism; then extending what I believe to me a accurate comment to state that I hate all females is more typical female demonization/manipulation. Sorry, crap don’t sell that well. Try some reality.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
3:29 pm
“pretending that there are NO immoral, unethical females AND/OR females”
What’s the difference between “immoral, unethical females” and “AND/OR females”?
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
md — “Did I miss that in the Charter?”
If you have a complaint with what the Charter SAYS, I’m all ears. Do you have a specific complaint with what the Charter says?
If, OTOH, you’re just moaning about execution, then I’d like to know if your complaint is actually directed at the Charter itself or at something else.
In other words, tighten up your shot group, because you’re aiming all over the place AFAICS.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
3:30 pm
debbie: “Pro-life BEFORE birth, after birth they are called, Pro-tests. See they protest free school lunches, they protest birth control, they protest food supplements, etc., etc., etc.,”
are you this ignorant a liberal? free for WHOM? The recipient who has ejected the husband and replaced it with a benevolent bureacracy? Or, do you think the makers/providers of this FREE stuff have donated? You really are in pollyanna utopianville. Socialism R US your favorite hang out?
Paul
August 24th, 2011
3:32 pm
PaddyO
Not sure AmVet’s here, but the operative word he asked you about is “murder.” Not ‘kills.”
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
3:33 pm
md, true, which makes my faux pas all the more disturbing, as my ex stimulated neither organ, so I can’t play the ‘blood supply’ card.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
3:33 pm
md: So when Obama decided to press for the U.S. not to be the bulk of the force involved in the Libya no fly zone, what did you think of that?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
3:34 pm
Paddy O: The recipient who has ejected the husband and replaced it with a benevolent bureacracy?
Do you actually think for yourself at all?
josef
August 24th, 2011
3:35 pm
Okay, the good news…Georgia has made great progress in dealing with this serious social problem. Just once, for a change, couldn’t we just be happy and go looking for how and why instead of turning this into a fry Perry opportunity. Okay, the bad news…Texas remains third lowest in confronting this serious social problem. Good, lambaste them and Perry, too, but why allow that to keep us from celebrating a success of our own? Cheap shot…
and..
“.it’s not as if every male in the state has those mannerisms”
What? Those of a Carpetbagger Prince and a butch-act secessionist… I should hope not…as the Texans so aptly put it, them boys are all hat and no cattle…
@@
August 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
Debbie:
You spoke of finding some girl on her knees behind the bleechers, that you admonished, but did you think about what might have drove her to that act? What her homelife must be like? Why she felt more love on her knees in front of 10+ men then she ever felt at home?
I’ve done the research. I know the causes.
Become a Big Sister — mentor a girl.
I had a friend who did that. I hate to sound cynical but when the Big Sister stopped providing material things, the young girl asked for a different mentor (Big Sister). I tried to tell my friend it wasn’t about stuff…it was about emotional support. She said she offered that too but the girl would accuse her of getting into her personal business. Maybe there’s an art to it. My friend was terribly discouraged.
I had the privilege of serving as liason between my church and the ChildTech (teenage mothers) program we sponsored. Loved it! Two of the girls have maintained contact with me…they’re doing well. The others? There wasn’t a connection…it wasn’t for my lack of trying.
I’m out for awhile. I find this place disheartening.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
Not sure AmVet’s here, but the operative word he asked you about is “murder.” Not ‘kills.”
whew. I was all skeered I was about to be tried for murdering those ants the other day.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
Joe Mama,
Hang you head!! Cheney is one of the smartest people we have had in our government for many a year. The brightest! Maybe that’s why Democrats so love to run him down. He’s smart enough to ignore trash. LIke the one Kerry tried to makebelieve about Cheney getting money from government contracts with Halliburton after he was vice President…
Cheney worked hard for this country and also spent five years as CEO of one of America’s larger companies, Halliburton. That is where Kerry went wrong. Cheney cut all ries with Halliburton to become Vice President. His contract bonus money from Halliburton was tabulated at the end of the fiscal year and then sent to him. He received no money for work after he joined the government.
So, once again, lies for political purposes, still being extended by Democrats who WANT to hurt anyone associated with Bush. They (here) say it here almost every day. Makes one wonder what else they have conjured up to suit their politics..
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2011
3:38 pm
also, just because: this.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
3:41 pm
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
3:37 pm
and the problem is, folks, she really believe that…
Have a great evening…I’m heading to Mom’s…
md
August 24th, 2011
3:42 pm
Article 5 Joe:
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all……..”
If their response in Afghanistan is any indication, we are in a world of hurt……………….in other words, I suspect they would respond a wee bit more forcefully had it been them that was attacked……and would expect the US to do the same.
If Berlin was attacked, think it would go over very well if the US parked itself in the relative safety of one city and restricted themselves to limited operations??
Talking Head
August 24th, 2011
3:43 pm
a likely scenerio explaining the high number of teen pregnancies in the state of texas could be the higher number of illegal immigrants in that state than most
it has been documented that illegal immigrants have a higher teen pregnancy rate than the rest of the population
Adam
August 24th, 2011
3:44 pm
stands: love it. Tea Party as an image of “We’re all Mad here…”
md
August 24th, 2011
3:44 pm
“md: So when Obama decided to press for the U.S. not to be the bulk of the force involved in the Libya no fly zone, what did you think of that?”
If you will recall Adam, I called for action in Libya from the get go………..so I have no problem with the situation……….and I definitely have no problem with those in Europe doing a bit more of the heavy lifting.
They’ve relied on our military spending for much too long…………
getalife
August 24th, 2011
3:45 pm
Good too see cheney is still alive.
He admitted torture .
It’s a tough call because we executed people for the same charge.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
3:45 pm
Talking Head: a likely scenerio explaining the high number of teen pregnancies in the state of texas could be the higher number of illegal immigrants in that state than most
We’ve been over this…. Start around page 5 I think.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
3:46 pm
Pretty funny, Josef.
First you chide me for a cheap shot, then you can’t resist the temptation to take a well-aimed shot of your own at Perry. Yet another example of why abstinence won’t work.
Fresh sheets upstairs.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
3:46 pm
So Josef,
“them boys (in Texas) are all hat and no cattle”. Cute! But what we got in the White House now is all polish and no pith
We’ve already dashed the Hope. Let’s go for a Change!!!
Adam
August 24th, 2011
3:47 pm
md: Just checking. I disagreed with our involvement. I disagreed with how it was done. And I disagree with the end justifying the means. All that said, in the end, it looks like it was a sound strategy and a win-win. I’m not sure if I should call a mea culpa on my previous stance, or if some of my stance is actually still valid.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm
md,
Would you call it a huge accomplishment for our President and country?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm
Jay: Yet another example of why abstinence won’t work.
ZING
Jay
August 24th, 2011
3:48 pm
“Good too see cheney is still alive.
He admitted torture .
It’s a tough call because we executed people for the same charge.”
Yes, getalife, but as we’ve been told earlier, it’s wrong to pick and choose who to prosecute.
josef
August 24th, 2011
3:49 pm
JAY
And you fell for it like a rock from the Tower of Pisa… I really didn’t expect it…up $10 on ya, though…thanks…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
3:49 pm
Damn, josef!
You didn’t even have to mention the Great Misunderstanding . . . .
md
August 24th, 2011
3:50 pm
“Would you call it a huge accomplishment for our President and country?”
No….I’d call it a huge accomplishment of the Libyan people……….
Merely the right thing to do on our part……………
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
3:52 pm
getalife,
If we executed people for torturing others, you wouldn’t be here.
Hypothetical, of course!! Yep!
josef
August 24th, 2011
3:56 pm
DAVE
I think it was the Carpetbagger Prince and butch act secessionist…
josef
August 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
me
@ 3:50
We’re on the same page on that one…
getalife
August 24th, 2011
3:57 pm
Dusty,
Weak deflection of blame.
md,
Didn’t think so .
josef
August 24th, 2011
3:58 pm
oops…that should have been mD @ 3:50…damn auto correcting ipad…I’m going back to desk top for upstairs…
getalife
August 24th, 2011
4:00 pm
josef,
Did you try RW’s advice on turning it off?
jconservative
August 24th, 2011
4:04 pm
“…Evidence matters…”
Not to everyone.
md
August 24th, 2011
4:07 pm
So which is it get……….we did the right thing by taking a secondary role or it was a huge accomplishment for us?
I don’t see the 2 being equal……………..
It wasn’t/isn’t about us………that’s a bit arrogant to think so………..
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
4:09 pm
Dusty — “Hang you head!!”
Absolutely NOT. I wouldn’t allow Dick Cheney in my house.
“Cheney is one of the smartest people we have had in our government for many a year. The brightest!”
IMO, Dick Cheney’s a cowardly, reprehensible turd. A man who sought and received four deferments from military service has no business being Secretary of Defense, let alone Vice President.
Correction — I just checked. Cheney received FIVE deferments from military service.
“Maybe that’s why Democrats so love to run him down. He’s smart enough to ignore trash. LIke the one Kerry tried to makebelieve about Cheney getting money from government contracts with Halliburton after he was vice President… ”
There’s nothing make-believe about it. Cheney continued to receive deferred compensation from Halliburton while in office. The fact that Cheney continued to receive deferred compensation from Halliburton — while serving as Vice-President — is a matter of public record.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml
“Cheney worked hard for this country and also spent five years as CEO of one of America’s larger companies, Halliburton.”
Cheney also worked hard on dodging military service and feathering his own bed.
“That is where Kerry went wrong. Cheney cut all ries with Halliburton to become Vice President.”
Nope. Deferred compensation. See above.
“His contract bonus money from Halliburton was tabulated at the end of the fiscal year and then sent to him. He received no money for work after he joined the government.”
Wrong. You clearly don’t understand the concept of deferred compensation.
“So, once again, lies for political purposes, still being extended by Democrats who WANT to hurt anyone associated with Bush.”
Madam, dishonesty makes your butt look big.
I have not lied about Dick Cheney one bit. He did *not* serve in Vietnam, and he *did* seek and receive five deferments from military service during Vietnam. If you think you can disprove that, then by all means have at it. However, if you can’t, then I eagerly look forward to your apology.
“They (here) say it here almost every day. Makes one wonder what else they have conjured up to suit their politics..”
Makes me wonder why you accused me of lying in what I said earlier. It was all true, and I challenge you to prove otherwise, Ma’am.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
4:09 pm
md,
When our government does the right thing and is competent, we should celebrate this fact.
A huge accomplishment for our country.
josef
August 24th, 2011
4:09 pm
getalife
Says he who posts the same five lines with amazing consistency?
getalife
August 24th, 2011
4:11 pm
josef,
The auto correcting setting can be turned off according to RW.
Jay
August 24th, 2011
4:13 pm
That’s correct, Tommy.
You see, Perry’s the new frontrunner in the only political game in town, the GOP primary. And it’s August, with Congress and the president on vacation and not much really going on ….
But you know, if my cynical intent was to attack the biggest threat to Obama, I ought to be focusing on Romney. He’s the one the Democrats fear most politically. He’s the one who could appeal most to independents.
Perry isn’t. Not by a long shot.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
4:13 pm
josef.
On my i phone, the setting is click on general, then keyboard, then auto correction on or off.
Talking Head
August 24th, 2011
4:15 pm
Halliburton
josef
August 24th, 2011
4:20 pm
getalife
i am so sorry about that swipe…please accept my apologies…I didn’t realize it was in relation to my ipad problems…I thought it was RW chiding me about being too thin-skinned and mine and Dave’s exchange on the Late Misunderstanding…sorry, Mate…
josef
August 24th, 2011
4:21 pm
JAY
With the circus out of town in DC this might be a good time to look on the brighter side of life…
getalife
August 24th, 2011
4:27 pm
josef,
No problem.
I am guilty of knee jerking myself but will not post for you to stop posting.
You are the most popular character at the Bookman blog reality show.
josef
August 24th, 2011
4:31 pm
getalife
I didn’t think so…and, oh, the five things with amazing consistence…says he who doesn’t let a day pass without,,.Southern, Jew, Gay, Romany, and Indians…
getalife
August 24th, 2011
4:33 pm
Not a good time to be in the Bahamas.
Direct hit from Cat 3 Irene.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
4:42 pm
md — “Article 5 Joe: “The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all……..”
And? What’s your specific objection? Who’s doing what that’s not in accordance with Article 5?
“If their response in Afghanistan is any indication, we are in a world of hurt……………….”
When did Afghanistan attack a NATO member nation?
“in other words, I suspect they would respond a wee bit more forcefully had it been them that was attacked……and would expect the US to do the same.”
Once again, when did Afghanistan attack a NATO member nation?
“If Berlin was attacked, think it would go over very well if the US parked itself in the relative safety of one city and restricted themselves to limited operations??”
I’m afraid I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. I’m sure you have a point to make, but I’m simply not getting it. What is it that you *think* should be done in accordance with the NATO Charter that *isn’t* being done? And what parts of the Charter do you think are being violated thereby?
md
August 24th, 2011
5:13 pm
“When did Afghanistan attack a NATO member nation?”
According to NATO, when they allowed Bin Laden safe haven during 9/11…………and the subsequent vote.
That Black guy
August 24th, 2011
5:20 pm
Midori
August 24th, 2011
12:59 pm
Yes. It must be the tea party that is the community that has near 70% of their babies born out of wedlock.
their spokesmodels are Bristo and Sarah.
using this logic:
a ex-junkie shouldn’t fight drug abuse.
a former gang banger shouldn’t fight gang violance.
aprison inmate shouldn’t participate in scared straight programs.
a guy with emphysema shouldn’t speak out against smoking.
a person who used to be anorexic shouldn’t speak about eating disorders.
get my point?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
5:30 pm
Joe – “morality is subjective” – predominantly this only pertains to liberals & other ideologues (Hannity & MSNBC watchers). Morality is actually quite objective – just those that wish to rationlize their own immorality assert otherwise.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
5:45 pm
md — “According to NATO, when they allowed Bin Laden safe haven during 9/11…………and the subsequent vote.”
Cite, please.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
6:04 pm
OK – interesting debate here: Observations indicate that for some bizarre reason, stupid/immoral people are getting knocked up without the ability to pay for them. What do you do? Libertarians would say nothing. Valid point. Liberty is not painless. The feds, for some unconstitutional reason, decide they need to fund sex reproductive classes. Such classes do not reinforce abstinence, instead offer the actor in this scenario methods of having sex but not getting pregnant (passive agreement that there is nothing wrong with the fornication in the first place). Others in the government indicate that passively OKing the erroneous behavior is in its self wrong, and formulate the abstinence only program. Some who listen dismiss the thrust of this government training and have sex and get pregnant any way. Sadly, some think that is the fault of the trainee & the government who sponsored the program (primarily asinine idealism liberals). In reality, a certain % of the kids/students have character flaws (rednecks, other idjits) that prompt them to flaunt authority and do their own thing. The only one responsible for them getting pregnant? The two participants. However, the libertarian position would save taxpayers a lot of $$$ – perhaps even contribute to balancing the budget without cutting medicare & social security.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
6:35 pm
Joe Mama – please tell the rest of the Gore in Vietnam story. He TOO got a college deferment that ended when he graduated. He was sent to Viet Nam in January 1971, and somehow was ETS’d in May of 1971. His job? He worked as a journalist. However, I must commend him on his ethics at this point.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
6:47 pm
Jay: Question: Obama times his vacation wisely, as the Congress is out of town – BUT, there is a news vacuum – so, if he had presented his jobs plan before he went on vacation, all the news would have been about that – disecting it to see if it actually has a benefit – but he is NOT going to do that, wait until Congress back in session. Why delay the announcement when he essentially had the entire floor to himself? If he was attempting to rally the troops to support this proposal, now would seem to be the time – of course, he might have to interfer with his vacation some.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
6:51 pm
Paul – you may split hairs more than I. Kills is OK when referring to cows or ants (although if the ant is NOT in your house, you are murdering it for fun, ans sport hunting is repugnant) – but a “kill” of a human falls into what? Mercy killing & murder, no? AmVet appeared to be attempting to assert it was NOT murder due to it not being a code violation, is that not the correct impression?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
6:51 pm
Adam – all my thoughts are my own – but they must appear to be alien to an atheist.
marko
August 24th, 2011
7:57 pm
Granny Godzilla, Henny Youngman once quipped that he knew a good joke when stole it. I have no idea who I plagiarized when I said read my lips, no new Texans. Let’s just credit anonymous. I noticed Anonymous said lots of cool stuff. I figure Anonymous must have been a pretty neat dude. Truth is I don’t know much about him. Going by the name , I’d have to guess he was Greek or Roman.
Did you notice that the Queen of abstinence only birth control, Sara Palin, has two grand children conceived out of wed lock. Hey Sara, how’s that abstinence only stuff working out for ya?
Dizziona
August 24th, 2011
9:54 pm
“Gov. Rick Perry was asked about that fact last year in a televised interview…”
I stopped reading what was an otherwise informative blog when I got down to this line. I KNEW you’d try to leverage the piece into a political commentary.
I am an independent and I don’t have a dog in your idealogical fight, Jay, but you just cheapen yourself when you try to put a political spin on everything.
independent thinker
August 25th, 2011
5:33 am
Perry and Bachmann – two right wing religious zealots who could care less about the facts – just pure BS for the ignorant and stupid to lap up.
Adam
August 25th, 2011
8:27 am
Paddy O: but they must appear to be alien to an atheist.
They must be alien to others too, since I’m not an atheist. Nice try on the assumption though.
Joe Mama
August 25th, 2011
9:18 am
Paddy O — “Morality is actually quite objective – just those that wish to rationlize their own immorality assert otherwise.”
Those who claim that morality is objective are simply doing so in an attempt to *impose* their own morality on others.
Joe Mama
August 25th, 2011
9:33 am
Paddy O — “Joe Mama – please tell the rest of the Gore in Vietnam story.”
Glad to. What additional parts do you want to hear?
“He TOO got a college deferment that ended when he graduated.”
And when it expired, he WENT TO VIETNAM like a man. He didn’t seek four more deferments like Dick Cheney did.
“He was sent to Viet Nam in January 1971, and somehow was ETS’d in May of 1971.”
Key takeaway — HE WENT TO VIETNAM, just as I said.
And if you have some substantive criticism of Gore with respect to his ETS date, then kindly supply it. However, if you are a veteran, as I am, you probably already know that servicemembers don’t determine their own ETS dates — their service does it for them. If you think there’s something dicey about Gore’s ETS date, then either demonstrate direct hijinks on his part of kindly direct your criticism where it’s deserved — at the Department of the Army.
“His job? He worked as a journalist.”
Two points: A *lot* of journalists in Vietnam died. Maybe you’ve never read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Requiem-Photographers-Died-Vietnam-Indochina/dp/B00008NRGM/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314278769&sr=1-2
Second point — Even if Gore served in the safest post in all of Vietnam, he was in a lot more dangerous position than Dick Cheney was.
“However, I must commend him on his ethics at this point.”
And I scorn you for yours. There’s not a whit of untruth in anything I’ve said about Cheney or Gore in this thread, and the best you can do against Gore is suggest that *maybe* there’s something untoward in his work in Vietnam, the manner in which he came home or the fact that he obtained one deferment, then IMO your complaints are pathetic and specious.
Both Gore and Cheney were Vice Presidents of the United States. The fact that you’d slag on Gore’s military service in Vietnam and not come down on Cheney for dodging service altogether tells me all I need to know about YOUR self-vaunted morality.
Paddy O
August 25th, 2011
9:40 am
Joe – Cheney’s service dodging is well established. Your initial post indicated he enlisted he went & served – pretending that being a journalist for four months in Viet nam was equal to being sent over for an entire hitch is pretty disingenous. Normally, as you must, during times of war, soldier get extended – know of any having had that done now? The fact that he got out immediately indicates he had a rabbi at the Pentagon. The fact that YOU don’t slag on Gore & pretend he actually served like a regular guy indicates your ethics are over-ridden by your democratic bias. Which is also why you feel compelled to slam mine – you don’t like being called out on a half truth. I never spoke of Cheney, who is now retired and WAS Secretary of Defense, so he did serve his country – although I had a much higher level of respect for him prior to his tenure as VP. Good luck being relevent the next four years at the federal level. In GA, you are persona non grata.
Paddy O
August 25th, 2011
9:44 am
Joe – Christianity also has something called free will. I am not attempting to impose my will on others, otherwise I would be an arrogant elitest liberal with a messiah complex (ala Obamacare). You need to check your pots & kettles. Your accusation of the causal connection between the two assumes facts NOT in evidence. Pretty standard liberal though process.
Whistler
August 26th, 2011
6:09 pm
Gov. Perry has said that he knows “from personal experience” that abstinence works. Personal experience with “total abstinence before marriage” “would not” make Perry “so passionate” about retaining abstinence-only education in Texas public schools despite our state’s rising rate of teen pregnancy under the program.
Personal experience with “out of wedlock conception” “could” make him “that passionate” about the subject. The governor was an Eagle Scout. A core value of Eagle Scouts is honesty. So, Rick Perry, tell all of Texas what you know personally about how out-of-wedlock conception can affect a male and his family . A state governor “getting real” could make a difference in how Texas youths think about their sexuality, and about how they think about their sexual activity. If Perry prefers “not” “to get real,” let him ask the Texas State Board of Education to change the program to Abstinence Plus.
Whistler
August 26th, 2011
6:49 pm
Gov. Perry has said that he knows “from personal experience” that abstinence works. Personal experience with “total abstinence before marriage” “would not” make Perry “so passionate” about retaining abstinence-only education in Texas public schools despite our state’s rising rate of teen pregnancy under the program.
Personal experience with “out of wedlock conception” “could” make him “that passionate” about the subject. The governor was an Eagle Scout. A core value of Eagle Scouts is honesty. So, Rick Perry, tell all of Texas what you know personally about how out-of-wedlock conception can affect a male and his family . A state governor “getting real” could make a difference in how Texas youths think about their sexuality, and about how they think about their sexual activity. If Perry prefers “not” “to get real,” let him ask the Texas State Board of Education to change the program to Abstinence Plus.
Joe Mama
August 29th, 2011
11:18 am
Paddy O — “Joe – Cheney’s service dodging is well established.”
Yes, it is. There is ample evidence of Cheney’s service dodging and his five deferments.
“Your initial post indicated he enlisted he went & served – pretending that being a journalist for four months in Viet nam was equal to being sent over for an entire hitch is pretty disingenous.”
Gore did enlist and did go to Vietnam, which is *exactly* what I said. I made no claim whatsoever about his service being “equal to being sent over for an entire hitch,” so your claim is not only inaccurate, but you’re also lying.
“Normally, as you must, during times of war, soldier get extended – know of any having had that done now? The fact that he got out immediately indicates he had a rabbi at the Pentagon.”
Irrelevant to the points I made, which were that he did enlist and that he did serve in Vietnam.
“The fact that YOU don’t slag on Gore & pretend he actually served like a regular guy indicates your ethics are over-ridden by your democratic bias.”
No, I pointed out the facts, which are that he enlisted and that he did serve in Vietnam. If you have evidence to the contrary, then please present it.
“Which is also why you feel compelled to slam mine – you don’t like being called out on a half truth.”
No, I posted a whole truth; that being that Gore did enlist and did serve in Vietnam. You’re simply upset that I didn’t present some added details that make people with your particular ideological bias happy.
“I never spoke of Cheney, who is now retired and WAS Secretary of Defense, so he did serve his country”
I don’t consider appointive positions in our government to be ’service’ in any way equal to military service. YMMV.
“although I had a much higher level of respect for him prior to his tenure as VP.
I have no respect for people who dodge compulsory military service.
“Good luck being relevent the next four years at the federal level.”
As a disabled veteran, I’ve been pretty irrelevant at the Federal level for YEARS, including during Republican administrations. I’m used to it.
“In GA, you are persona non grata.”
Yeah, I’m real heartbroken about that.
(laughing)
Joe Mama
August 29th, 2011
11:23 am
Paddy O — “Joe – Christianity also has something called free will.”
And some varieties also have something called “predestination,” which when put up against the notion of “free will,” presents what’s also called a “paradox.”
“I am not attempting to impose my will on others”
And, of course, I didn’t claim that you were.
“otherwise I would be an arrogant elitest liberal with a messiah complex (ala Obamacare).”
“You need to check your pots & kettles.”
And you need to read more closely. You’re quite good at putting words into people’s mouths and claiming they said things that they didn’t. It’s a shame you can’t behave with more honesty.
“Your accusation of the causal connection between the two assumes facts NOT in evidence.”
Incorrect, but to a presumptive and arrogant poster such as yourself, it might seem so. We’d both be better served if you asked more questions and jumped to fewer unsupported conclusions.
“Pretty standard liberal though process.”
Yes, accusing others as you have done is a pretty standard and dishonest thought process. I do think I can help you, though.