Teen pregnancy, taxes and climate change: Evidence matters
It is one of the great under-reported success stories of our time.
Twenty years ago, roughly 62 out of every 1,000 teen-age American girls were giving birth. Here in Georgia, the numbers were much, much worse. At the time, we had the highest teen-age birth rate in the country, at 126 births per 1,000 teen-age girls, twice as high as the national average.
The good news is that by 2009, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the national teen birth rate had fallen to 39.1 births per 1,000 females, a 37 percent decrease and the lowest rate ever recorded in this country. (It’s still among the highest in the Western world.) Here in Georgia, the decline was even more dramatic. By 2009, the rate of teenage births here had fallen to 47.7 per 1,000, still above the national average but a startling reduction of 62 percent.
That’s a lot of individual lives that have been saved and changed. It’s a lot of money saved for the taxpayer as well. Those improvements have been pretty broadly based as well. As the Centers for Disease Control reports, “During that period, the birth rate decreased 50 percent among black teens, 41 percent among white teens, and 33 percent among Hispanic teens.”
However, the problem has remained more persistent in some areas than others. Texas, for example, has the third-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country. At 60.7 pregnancies per 1,000 teen-aged girls, its rate is more than three times higher than that of Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, which have the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the country.
In Texas, that means three times more girls at risk of dropping out of high school and never attending college. It means a lot more abortions. It means a lot more children who are being raised by children, often without benefit of a nuclear family. It means premature babies, more low weight babies, more infant mortality and more dependence on government social programs.
In its sex-ed programs in public school, Texas relies upon a curriculum of abstinence-only, an approach that has been shown to be ineffective in multiple studies. Gov. Rick Perry was asked about that fact last year in a televised interview with Evan Smith of the Texas Tribune, who read Perry a question submitted by an audience member:
Here’s a transcript of the relevant exchange:
SMITH: Governor, why does Texas continue with abstinence education programs when they don’t seem to be working? In fact, I think we have the third highest teen pregnancy rate in the country.
PERRY: “Abstinence … works.”
(audience laughter)
SMITH: “But we have the third highest teen pregnancy rate among all states in the country. The questioner’s point is, it doesn’t seem to be working — abstinence education.”
PERRY: “It, it, it works. Maybe it’s the way it’s being taught, or the way it’s being applied out there, but the fact of the matter is it is the best form of — uh — to teach our children.”
SMITH: “Can you give a statistic telling me that it works?”
PERRY: “I’m just going to tell you from my own personal life, abstinence works …”
We’ve seen that attitude in a lot of policy areas. Tax cuts increase government revenue, even though repeated experiments have proved otherwise. Global warming has been revealed as a hoax, even though every investigation of the data has upheld its accuracy (the most recent is here).
And as Perry stubbornly insists, abstinence works.
This is faith and ideology that is immune to evidence. It is the assertion that belief should trump outcome. And as the teen-birth statistics demonstrate, the consequences of elevating faith over fact in the public policy sphere can be tragic.
(As an aside, it’s hard to watch that clip and not be struck by the uncanny similarity in body language and speaking cadence between Perry and former President George W. Bush. It’s actually kind of weird. My wife’s family is from Texas and my brother has lived there for 30 years — it’s not as if every male in the state has those mannerisms.)
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
“Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else. ”
that’s not technical wordsmithing – that’s an Olympic-sized STRETCH
“If you don’t get that, then you’re not as smart as I always thought you two to be”
no, Dave – I don’t hear what the voices in your head are telling you. you’re the only one who hears them.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Your and USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing when trying to defend the indefensible.
Guilt trip tickets aboard the shame train.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Dave R — “Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else.”
When did Jay appoint you as his spokesman? Where do you get off asserting what Jay supposedly thinks?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:33 pm
Rick Perry is an abject failure at regulating teen sex. I demand that the feds take over, develop a new cabinet level agency to direct teen sex, and have Roman Polanski as the new teenage sex czar. There. Problem fixed.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
““here ya go, here’s a mirror”
USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing
Yup
rastudd
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
In my day the low out of wedlock birth rate could be attributide to: HER DADDY’S COMIN AND HE”S GOT A GUN!
Global warming is real the earth has been warming since the last ice age and will continue to the next ice age. But of course anything is controlable with more tax money sent to the politicians and General Electric.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
Awww Debbie,
You and Midori are just playing tiddlywinks with the facts. NO hope for Midori but you can do better. “she was a lousy tax attorney” etc. etc. Isn’t that just a Dem rumor? Skip that stuff. It sounds too much like spreading lies.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
LL .. I didn’t know state govts or federal govts were supposed to have official policies on teenage sex
Apparently you are ignorant of the programs regarding of abstinence only.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
1:34 pm
Dusty,
One more time:
Statistical evidence clearly demonstrates that supplanting education with advice about caring for one’s own body is not effective. Does that mean we should no longer dispense good advice? Of course not! But one is simply NOT a substitute for the other.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
“People want jobs jobs jobs. Someone needs to tell bookman an Obama: it’s the economy stupid.”
got that, media???
don’t look into what they think about ANYTHING ELSE except their economic policies.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
Dave R.,
Yeah. Who the heck are you to assert what Jay thinks? Joe mama is the only mind reader on this blog!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:35 pm
better stated: abstinence education only.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
keep up- you’re right. We need a cabinet level position to regulate this er- problem.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
The liberal in me has no problem with sex before marriage…………not all bodies are alike, and sometimes the physical differences do matter………..for whatever reason.
Tell death do us part is an awful long time……….being stuck with someone that is not physically compatible is a death sentence, not ever lasting bliss………………..
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
godless – it’s not “technical wordsmithing” – it’s called a METAPHOR.
you learn these things when you get an education.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:37 pm
Liberal Larry, you’re nicking my shtik. But I agree re: Polanski because his teenage victim didn’t get pregnant. Won’t get into “why?” as it has to do with the difference between sodomy and intercourse, but that said, Perry did feel the SCOTUS tossing out the TX sodomy law was a states rights issue.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
1:38 pm
Debbie, ice attempt at deflection. Well done, but FAIL!
You made the statement “How Low Could A Democrat Go?” so I decided to show you that no one was LOWER than Rove. No one. Not even Cheney — and that’s saying something.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
1:39 pm
Dusty
I wanted my girls to have some experience….and not end up like some of the aunts and grand aunts who ended up married to clumsy oafish characters for a lifetime of misery.
Sex is such a good thing, a wonderful gift to humanity – I want them
always to use it wisely.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Dusty,
go stir your cauldron.
Zedd
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
JUST IN: President Obama has just confirmed that the DC earthquake occurred on a rare and obscure fault-line, apparently known as “Bush’s Fault”. Obama also announced that the Secret Service and Maxine Waters continues an investigation of the quake’s suspicious ties to the Tea Party. Conservatives however have proven that it was caused by the founding fathers, buried nearby, rolling over in their graves. Video at 6:00.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
To quote md, “The liberal in me has no problem with sex before marriage”
Sex before marriage should be a given, just as one would not buy clothes without trying them on…am I wrong?
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Dave R
““What in that post showed a disdain for Perry?”
Nothing. It’s the entirety of your posts regarding Perry that open you up to a lack of impartiality.”
Did you miss, or did you ignore, my posts regarding steps Texas took that prevented the severe shocks in the housing industry seen elsewhere? Or my posts regarding Gov Perry having a sustained, consistent policy of attracting businesses to Texas, in part by examining other states’ onerous business regulations and making sure Texas did not do the same?
“Your and USinUK’s technical wordsmithing is becoming a bit embarrassing when trying to defend the indefensible. Jay wants to paint Perry’s beliefs as blame – nothing else. If you don’t get that, then you’re not as smart as I always thought you two to be.”
I’ll humbly submit it is not USinUK and I who should be embarrassed -
Normal
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
Zedd
August 24th, 2011
1:40 pm
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
Gots to go grab me a bunch of them there foster kids and make gobs of money raising them with them big fat state checks. According to Debbiedoright and Matti it pays a lot better than tax attorney work.And to think it took one of them tea party women to figure out how lucrative them govt checks are for foster kids- more money than tax attorney work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
All but two of the states with the lowest birth rates are from the Northeast.
All but two of the states with the highest birth rates are from the South.
Well, now you went and done it. I’m just going to wait till josef gets off work and gets on here so he can jump down your throat the way he does me and call you dirty names in Indian language and talk about how Uppity you are for looking down on the South. You just wait. You’ll get yours.
Mr_B
August 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
jm: That might be the case, if Perry was responsible for both the preg. rates and the job growth. I doubt he actually impacts either one very much.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
Cheney is a lowlife. The man gives away 20% or more of his income to charity and has given away millions in his lifetime. What I want to know is why that greedy pig can’t give away all of his income and assets to the poor.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Paul, don’t be humble….there is nothing that Dave comprehends about humility. One of a number of comprehension issues he suffers.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Larry — “Yeah. Who the heck are you to assert what Jay thinks? Joe mama is the only mind reader on this blog!”
I don’t need to claim to be a mindreader in order to point out that implicit claims of mindreading are full of bulldada.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Granny, please dial down the “clumsy, oafish” stuff. I am not saying “all men are created equal”, but neither are all women. truth is; the reasons we get married are not the same as the reasons we stay married; and by most accounts, “clumsy, oafish” men are clumsy and oafish from day one, ergo perhaps the “aunts and grand aunts” in uhappy marriages needed to spend more time determining if their mates were worthy outside of the bedroom. I agree sex is wonderful, but it is merely one cog in the relationship wheel.
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Liberal Larry,
According to Debbiedoright and Matti it pays a lot better than tax attorney work.
You are a liar.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
“Sex before marriage should be a given, just as one would not buy clothes without trying them on…am I wrong?”
oh, I’ll say it …
TESTIFY!
Midori
August 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
via Twitter:
“that giant thump and subsequent shaking along the east coast was a result of Chris Christie jumping into the presidential race”
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
Stevie Ray: Adam, thanks for your various emotional diatribes protecting Obama at all costs. You do realize that the more defensive you become, the less credibility your statements have…..name calling and voice raising are not valid debate points. How anyone blindly can support any politician suggests lack of independent analysis of all issues separately. 911 didn’t happen on Obama’s watch but he gets credit for pushing the ball over the goal line when starting in the redzone….
So let me get this right, when telling you that your argument that Libya “just happened” on Obama’s watch was nonsense, I had: 1) various emotional diatribes, 2) called you names, 3) blindly supported a politician, 4) had a lack of independent analysis, 5) raised my voice, 6) Claimed something related to 9/11 and Obama.
Interesting. Not a single one of those happened. I only pointed out that Libya didn’t just “happen” on Obama’s watch, as you suggest, which would have required that the U.S. had stayed out of it. Your point #1 fails in two ways: I didn’t have “various” anything out of my one sentence, and it’s certainly not an emotional diatribe. #2, I didn’t call you names, #3 I don’t blindly support Obama, the only politician being discussed in my one sentence, #4 is projection – your argument isn’t an objective analysis, #5 I didn’t know someone could raise their voice over the internet, #6 I didn’t mention 9/11 at all in my one sentence.
You extrapolated a whole lot out of that one sentence that made no sense, and causes me to doubt your ability to reason logically.
Gale
August 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
I certainly agree with the sex before marriage position. The main problem with abstinence is that we are usually talking about teens in high hormonal flux. Telling them to not think about sex is like telling them to not breathe. Ok, extreme example. Telling them to be responsible about sex is more likely to be accepted. After all, today unprotected sex can get you more than preggers, it can get you a potential death sentence.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:45 pm
“The liberal in me ”
That little liberal is so small, he can hang out with the Tidy Bowl dude and sail around in his little boat!
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
1:46 pm
okay, enough sex and drugs and rock and roll for me today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CxdH-CcMPg
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
1:46 pm
True Redemption:
“Convicted serial killer David Berkowitz — who terrorized New York in the late 1970s, killing six people and wounding seven — will not seek parole during his next opportunity in May, Berkowitz told FoxNews.com exclusively.
In a two-page letter to FoxNews.com, Berkowitz, also known as “Son of Sam,” said he has “no interest” in parole thanks to forgiveness by Jesus Christ. Berkowitz, 58, has previously been denied parole five times.
“I have no interest in parole and no plans to seek release,” Berkowitz wrote FoxNews.com in an Aug. 6 letter. “If you could understand this, I am already a ‘free man.’ I am not saying this jokingly. I really am. Jesus Christ has already forgiven and pardoned me, and I believe this.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/24/son-sam-david-berkowitz-wont-seek-parole-in-2012/#ixzz1VxvwK7Ue
“One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!”
But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.f”
Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
@@
August 24th, 2011
1:47 pm
The lack of attention to why girls feel compelled to have sex goes unaddressed. Treat the womb but not the girls.
I’ll never forget what I saw at a high school football game. A circle of boys…numbering 9 or 10. When security came to break it up, they all scattered. What was revealed was a teenage girl on her knees while the guy quickly zipped up his pants.
Teenage boys have always been cheap. Why do young girls feel the need to cheapen themselves? That’s the problem that needs to be addressed. As the young girl was walking away, I offered this:
“On your knees? YOUR KNEES? REALLY! Why? So 10 or 11 guys could be entertained by your self-humiliation? Wise up…it’s more about them than you, young lady.”
Absentee fathers contribute to a young girl’s lack of self-esteem. Mothers with live-in boyfriends set the example.
Very sad.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:47 pm
“Redneck” convert,
I love it that its still fashionable that we at least still have one group of people we can still deride and show bigotry towards- mainly poor white people in the south. Takes a mighty big man to put down them poor white folk in appalachia.
Reminds me of them folk that watch Jerry Springer. They watch it so that they can look down on losers that are even bigger losers than they. Makes em feel oh so good to look down on someone else.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
“The man gives away 20% or more of his income to charity and has given away millions in his lifetime.”
Yeah, funny how someone like Cheney who has worked in the government his whole life can have such millions like that to give away.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
RB: Parent your own children or stop having them.
And what laws are you willing to support to parent children or stop having them, since you are relying on this sole thing as the backup for not teaching sex ed?
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:49 pm
sorry, since you’re relying on that one thing as the backup for abortions and condoms.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
Joe
No, I most certainly won’t “dial down clumsy and oafish” -
you never met Billy, Buddy or Mike…..oafish and clumsy.
I’m sorry if that struck you in some personal way.
That said, I do know women who dislike sex and have been faking it for decades with their husbands….and I feel very sorry for them.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
speaking of godless heathen’s earlier idea that Bush faults being portrayed are equal or greater than Obama faults, I have just gone through three pages and found 4 instances of Obama being a failure, and not one of Bush.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
1:50 pm
Bosch — sort of like Deal is on his way to solvency so very quickly after being elected governor. But I am sure it has nothing to do with his political office.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
“Sex before marriage should be a given, just as one would not buy clothes without trying them on…am I wrong?”
Not to sound like I’m backtracking, but not necessarily…………it’s not just a physical package……..some have more emotion in the equation, so they may think a bit differently.
It should be to each his own, but I also find it amusing when folks do decide to test the field and then after getting married, wonder why it still occurs……………..
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
Bosch: “………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?”
Fiction
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
Liberal Larry, you had me at “Cheney is a lowlife”. and for the last time, IF THE GOVERNMENT pays couples to raise foster children, how is it different from food stamps, Section 8 housing, or the standard deduction for a child? please tell me you understand that fancy accounting and loophole-lade tax codes are at the core of the Tea Party position. the foster kid scam is as much “redistribution of wealth” as farm subsidies and Medicaid. the fact that the Bachman’s scored a “hat trick” for the moocher team is not even disputed.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
1:51 pm
They watch it so that they can look down on losers that are even bigger losers than they.
I used to watch JS for the same reason I watched Cheaters.
I was waiting to see someone I knew.
real john
August 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
Jay:
While you did provide some evidence, the attempt by the left to destroy Perry is so apparent. First of all, you can’t compare Texas to states like Vermont and New Hampshire. Its not even apples and oranges.
Texas is larger than Vermont, New Hampshire, and Mass combined by a factor of about three. Texas’s population and GDP is higher than the vast majority of countries in the world. Its like when people try to compare something in the US to Sweden. I mean, really?
Of course running a state like Texas is much more difficult and the problems or much different. First of all, Vermont and New Hampshire are what 95% white. Texas has a large Latino and African American population which tend to have higher birth rates and abortions.
Because Perry is a threat, the left is pulling out all of the stops. However, I think they are really shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, come on Jay, what material will you have left by next year?
Btw, I’m not a huge fan of Perry at this point, but for people to act like Texas hasn’t done pretty well compared to other states is just simply incorrect. Texas has thrived the last ten years or so compared with most other places. Is it perfect, no; but not too bad either
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
Oh darn godless heathen beat me to my last post pages ago haha
Bill Orvis White
August 24th, 2011
1:52 pm
The teen pregnancy rate went down because so many of those pregnancies were terminated by Godless socialistic doctors. The liberal media refuses to give us the real numbers which I KNOW ARE MUCH HIGHER IN ALL 50 STATES. Now with that fact clearly stated here on this lefty blog, let’s go to the next conclusion: Debauchery has been way up since God was thrown out of of public schools (screwels), our teens have been on the pill and abortion was legalized by secular progressives. Now, those Godless doctors have tried to peddle their abortion in the African-American community. This is called eugenics which is what a guy named Adolph did a few years back. We all know how that turned out.
TELL THE TRUTH HERE, LIBERAL JAY! STOP THE LIES!
Amen,
Bill
Census statistician
August 24th, 2011
1:53 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
August 24th, 2011
1:41 pm
All but two of the states with the lowest birth rates are from the Northeast.- RC
And I’m betting these 2 states have the highest minority populations which skews the results.
All but two of the states with the highest birth rates are from the South.
And likewise I’m betting that these 2 states with the lowest birth rates also have the lowest minority populations.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:54 pm
Adam,
or Christian Mythology?
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
1:54 pm
USinUK: “you learn these things when you get an education”
When the attacks get personal, the argument is lost.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
1:55 pm
Bosch
“Yeah, funny how someone like Cheney who has worked in the government his whole life can have such millions like that to give away.”
He was head of a major corporation before he returned to gov’t service as VP.
Just a single illustration of the problem of the gov’t/corporate revolving door.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
Granny, I’m not just talking about “faking it” in the bedroom. I’l make a deal; as a male homosapien, I’ll cop to the charge of clumsy and oafish, but I want you to pick something beyonf “faking it” for women
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
Bosch: Same thing.
md
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
“That little liberal is so small, he can hang out with the Tidy Bowl dude and sail around in his little boat!”
Ahhh……assumptions Bosch…….I may be the most liberal person on this blog for all one really knows.
The joys of posting on an anonymous blog……………………………..
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
“Of course running a state like Texas is much more difficult and the problems or much different. First of all, Vermont and New Hampshire are what 95% white. Texas has a large Latino and African American population which tend to have higher birth rates and abortions”
Uh Oh. Looks like another one of them naughty conservatives figured out that its due to demographics. Looks like we better move on to another lie.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
1:56 pm
“He was head of a major corporation before he returned to gov’t service as VP.”
Paul,
Oh.
Well, he’s still evil personified.
Adam
August 24th, 2011
1:57 pm
Liberal Larry: Looks like another one of them naughty conservatives figured out that its due to demographics
Yep, just like in California, which has similar demographics.
real john
August 24th, 2011
1:57 pm
Jay:
What I mean is if you are going to compare Texas you have to use states that are in the same class and size….California, Florida, and New York are really the only states that you can compare. Tiny little New England states with populations of 1 million completely skew numbers.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
1:59 pm
When the attacks get personal, the argument is lost.- godless heathen
Don’t go taking away our heated rhetoric and personal attacks. Its all we gots. You may win the policy debates but we do have our rhetoric and we can shout louder than you- just not on a blog.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
2:00 pm
“Sex should be like trying on clothes”….. Well, I can’t tell you how many clothes I have ‘tried on’. I have tried on clothes in cars, on a boat, in a park. I try on clothes every chance I get, I have talked many girls into trying on clothes. Girls really like to ty on clothes when they are drunk or high, I used to give them beer just so I could try on clothes. I hope to try on clothes a lot this weekend.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
2:00 pm
Strange how some seem to conflate certain population’s birth rates and abortions with a lack of abstinence. Perhaps the correlation is not to abstinence but to access to birth control or other factors. But that would not fit the diatribe would it?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:01 pm
When the attacks get personal, the argument is lost.
Project much?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
Oh DAMN Paul! I forgot to tell you something.
This morning Mrs. G referenced an article about how the recent earthquakes were manmade due to natural gas drilling.
Do you KNOW what natural gas drilling is called????
Huh? Huh?
Fracking. I kid you not. I explained to her that I knew that word from a totally different place, but it’s spelled a little different. And well, now we are talking about teen pregnancy and sex in a little thrown in, and you know, that word what it means and all.
Life is circular I tell you, circular….
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
2:02 pm
“Yep, just like in California, which has similar demographics.”
13% of California is Asian which has a teenaged birth rate of about 15 per 100,000, almost half the rate of Caucasians and 1/5 that of Hispanics, if I remember correctly.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:03 pm
Joe the Plutocrat,
I think the evil of what Bachman does is that she took small stipends of govt money to support OTHER people’s kids and that is plainly evil.
Now if you take govt money to support your own kids because you don’t want to work or support them yourselves or because the worthless various fathers of your children are too worthless to support their own kids then that is ok and perfectly moral.
md
August 24th, 2011
2:03 pm
Now we know why women like to shop………..trying on all those clothes………
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:05 pm
There goes Godless heathen again with his facts. Facts are not to be trusted. Emotional rhetoric works much better for us liberals.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
2:06 pm
md,
What happens in the dressing room, stays in the dressing room…
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
Liberal Larry,
Are you by any chance related to a guy named Rightwing Nutjob in Full Glory? Or Redneck Convert?
Jefferson
August 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
Cut the funds, now.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:07 pm
Joe
you want me to pick something else about women?
we generally smell better and are softer to the touch.
now you pick something ok buddy?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
2:08 pm
The inability of some to not recognize that which is staring them in the face is astounding.
Jay’s job is to write from the liberal perspective – not to be objective. In that job he writes many columns which dismiss or denigrate conservative policies. To make the point even more direct, he writes on average 3-4 columns a week using specific GOP candidates or leaders that he wishes to belittle, using their words and policies in a way that he believes will marginalize them in the eyes of voters
Whether his target is the Tea Party, the GOP, conservative thought or specific people in those areas, his goal is to BLAME them and their policies for what he believes is wrong with America.
To deny that he uses blame as a weapon is to simply deny reality.
Let the wordsmithing continue from the left.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:09 pm
we generally smell better and are softer to the touch.
AND THERE WAS MUCH REJOICING!
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
Kamchak
One of my goals in life is to keep my Mr. G rejoicing for as long as possible….it’s a good thing.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
I really like it when I try on clothes with a beautiful girl, and then she gets me a sandwich and a beer. Some people smoke after trying on clothes.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
Ladies – wer’e in trouble. MD has found us out!!
Now we know why women like to shop………..trying on all those clothes………
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
Dave R.,
Question here. Do you go raise hell to Wingfield about his topics on his blog?
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
Dave R
That’s convenient for you.
Your’s is to find someone else to blame.
yes, grasshopper it is the yin and the yang.
md
August 24th, 2011
2:13 pm
“In that job he writes many columns which dismiss or denigrate conservative policies.”
I thought that was a given……..are there some that don’t know that?
All one has to do is look in the right hand corner regarding the last 10 “recent posts”…….and travelin music really doesn’t count……………….
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:14 pm
“and travelin music really doesn’t count………………”
HEY!!!! Who made YOU Blog monitor?
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
Midori
don’t tell the testosterone based life forms but when women shop for clothes we very often do so….in GROUPS!
ha cha cha!
md
August 24th, 2011
2:16 pm
“we generally smell better and are softer to the touch.”
And I’m guessing the “we” relates to this culture……………..in others, one has to smell rank enough not to notice the other…………….
Midori
August 24th, 2011
2:16 pm
lol, Mrs. G –
gives new meaning to the term “gang bang”
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
2:17 pm
“……………..in others, one has to smell rank enough not to notice the other……………”
Oh just damn. That was funny. I have sat next to the people from that culture on airplanes before.
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
We should close the Gap and Old Navy, maybe so many young girls wouldn’t be trying on clothes before they were married.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
Dave R — “The inability of some to not recognize that which is staring them in the face is astounding.”
The ability of some to make stuff up and claim it to be unvarnished fact is astounding.
“Jay’s job is to write from the liberal perspective – not to be objective. In that job he writes many columns which dismiss or denigrate conservative policies. To make the point even more direct, he writes on average 3-4 columns a week using specific GOP candidates or leaders that he wishes to belittle, using their words and policies in a way that he believes will marginalize them in the eyes of voters”
Evidence for your earlier claim, please? Evidence and not supposition or (gasp) the dreaded WORDSMITHING? (laughing)
“Whether his target is the Tea Party, the GOP, conservative thought or specific people in those areas, his goal is to BLAME them and their policies for what he believes is wrong with America.”
Yawn.
“To deny that he uses blame as a weapon is to simply deny reality.”
When you’d like to offer some sort of evidentiary support for your earlier claim, I’ll be pleased to hear you out, sir. Unless and until you do, you’re engaging in presumption, guesswork and skylarking.
You could, however, preface your claims with something like ‘I believe that’ or ‘it’s my opinion that’ and I’d have little else to say.
“Let the wordsmithing continue from the left.”
Because Dave-O’s done wordsmithing that post for us. For his next trick, he’ll put on a hair shirt for us.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:19 pm
Uh Oh. Looks like another one of them naughty conservatives figured out that its due to demographics. Looks like we better move on to another lie.
This just in!! “Liberal Larry Is A Troll”
More News at 6
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
2:20 pm
md
i know what you mean….ever been on a bus in Quan Zhou? or on a camel in Badaling?
bless a vicks inhaler.
Joe Mama
August 24th, 2011
2:20 pm
Bosch — “Oh just damn. That was funny. I have sat next to the people from that culture on airplanes before.”
Serves you right for flying AirTran.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
2:20 pm
…when women shop for clothes we very often do so….in GROUPS!
Well, that begs a couple of questions.
Do you ask each other, “Does this make my butt look fat”?
If so, are you truthful?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:21 pm
Dave R.,
There is nothing wrong with denigrating Sir Richard Perry. I disdain the man’s fashion choices. He looks stuffy in them suits and cuff links. Boo the cuff links. Boo I say. And I want to see at least one hair outta place every once in awhile.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
2:22 pm
Its all we gots.
Larry your faux redneck and ebonics dialogue is off. Try listening to more Kid Rock or Eminem — that should kill two birds with one stone.
md
August 24th, 2011
2:22 pm
Bosch……..I once flew Iran Air to Europe………I swear I must have been the only soul on that flight that showered that morning………………..and to top it off, due to Islamic beliefs, there was no alcohol served on board……………..couldn’t even drink the odor away…………..
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
2:22 pm
Bosch,
I will neither confirm nor deny.