Teen pregnancy, taxes and climate change: Evidence matters
It is one of the great under-reported success stories of our time.
Twenty years ago, roughly 62 out of every 1,000 teen-age American girls were giving birth. Here in Georgia, the numbers were much, much worse. At the time, we had the highest teen-age birth rate in the country, at 126 births per 1,000 teen-age girls, twice as high as the national average.
The good news is that by 2009, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the national teen birth rate had fallen to 39.1 births per 1,000 females, a 37 percent decrease and the lowest rate ever recorded in this country. (It’s still among the highest in the Western world.) Here in Georgia, the decline was even more dramatic. By 2009, the rate of teenage births here had fallen to 47.7 per 1,000, still above the national average but a startling reduction of 62 percent.
That’s a lot of individual lives that have been saved and changed. It’s a lot of money saved for the taxpayer as well. Those improvements have been pretty broadly based as well. As the Centers for Disease Control reports, “During that period, the birth rate decreased 50 percent among black teens, 41 percent among white teens, and 33 percent among Hispanic teens.”
However, the problem has remained more persistent in some areas than others. Texas, for example, has the third-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country. At 60.7 pregnancies per 1,000 teen-aged girls, its rate is more than three times higher than that of Vermont, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, which have the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the country.
In Texas, that means three times more girls at risk of dropping out of high school and never attending college. It means a lot more abortions. It means a lot more children who are being raised by children, often without benefit of a nuclear family. It means premature babies, more low weight babies, more infant mortality and more dependence on government social programs.
In its sex-ed programs in public school, Texas relies upon a curriculum of abstinence-only, an approach that has been shown to be ineffective in multiple studies. Gov. Rick Perry was asked about that fact last year in a televised interview with Evan Smith of the Texas Tribune, who read Perry a question submitted by an audience member:
Here’s a transcript of the relevant exchange:
SMITH: Governor, why does Texas continue with abstinence education programs when they don’t seem to be working? In fact, I think we have the third highest teen pregnancy rate in the country.
PERRY: “Abstinence … works.”
(audience laughter)
SMITH: “But we have the third highest teen pregnancy rate among all states in the country. The questioner’s point is, it doesn’t seem to be working — abstinence education.”
PERRY: “It, it, it works. Maybe it’s the way it’s being taught, or the way it’s being applied out there, but the fact of the matter is it is the best form of — uh — to teach our children.”
SMITH: “Can you give a statistic telling me that it works?”
PERRY: “I’m just going to tell you from my own personal life, abstinence works …”
We’ve seen that attitude in a lot of policy areas. Tax cuts increase government revenue, even though repeated experiments have proved otherwise. Global warming has been revealed as a hoax, even though every investigation of the data has upheld its accuracy (the most recent is here).
And as Perry stubbornly insists, abstinence works.
This is faith and ideology that is immune to evidence. It is the assertion that belief should trump outcome. And as the teen-birth statistics demonstrate, the consequences of elevating faith over fact in the public policy sphere can be tragic.
(As an aside, it’s hard to watch that clip and not be struck by the uncanny similarity in body language and speaking cadence between Perry and former President George W. Bush. It’s actually kind of weird. My wife’s family is from Texas and my brother has lived there for 30 years — it’s not as if every male in the state has those mannerisms.)
– Jay Bookman
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Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:05 pm
debbie – you are crossing two replies – so I must conclude you are a bit of a dunce. the gender question regarded pain, not the act of fornication. attempting to rationalize obvious self-defeating activity is typical liberal ethos.
md
August 24th, 2011
12:05 pm
“Just like the “50% pay NO TAXES” lie”
I believe it has long been established that folks who post this are referring to “income taxes”……
Which is not a lie………….
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
12:05 pm
“So young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault?”
No, Jay just wants you to believe that it is in another lame attempt to smear a Republican candidate for President since he has nothing good to prop up the current officeholder.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:07 pm
” If you farther back in the 1880’s, you had very, very few out of wedlock pregnancies, at least in rural areas”
I think you’d have a very hard time proving that. Abortion didn’t begin in this century you know. It has existed for a great deal longer than that.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:07 pm
kamchack – just because you are so divorced from morality that you do contortions to deny the fact, abortion is MURDER. Why were YOU not murdered in the womb? It was illegal then?
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
“…abortion is MURDER.”
Fallacious, by every definition.
Except the made up variety.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
…everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.
The worst evil comes from Old Trafford stadium.
Just sayin’.
Paulo977
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
Debbie DR
re: response to K71
“You do realize that the President job is NOT to make the laws and/or do the Senate/Congress’ job right? Right???”
Obviously thinks ‘Separation of Powers’
is some lib manufactured propaganda!!
md
August 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
“If some effortless, utterly risk free procedure emerges to extricate embryonic life from an unwilling womb and have that embryo remain viable, then that could be a game changer, I guess.”
I’d hazard a guess the definition of viable would be what changes………the exponential changes in technology being the driver………………..
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
getalife – for moral relativist, self absorbed liberals, of course it would – it would require an examination of your believe system, which is foreign to you because you are so over confident in your greatness. In the 1800, slavery was the great moral failing of this nation. Since 1970, abortion is. Just answer the simple question: Morally, which is more heinous? Abortion or slavery?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
“So young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault?” No, Jay just wants you to believe that it is
Got any facts to back that up, Dave. It should be easy, the article is posted at the top. Please be precise.
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
“just because you are so divorced from morality that you do contortions to deny the fact, abortion is MURDER”
It is not a fact, it is an opinion
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
This whole issue is stupid. If you want to tell your kids it’s ok to have sex as long as they use protection or if you want to put your high schooler on birth control, DO IT. It’s not my business, the states, the schools, or the governor of Texas’ business what YOU do with YOUR kids.
But stop asking me to pay for your lousey decisions both on the “free condoms” front and the abortions. Parent your own children or stop having them.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Return to normal programming.”
Nobody programs Normal…Nobody!
Doggone/GA
August 24th, 2011
12:11 pm
“it would require an examination of your believe system”
My belief system tells me that if abortion is murder, than the greatest murderer among us is God.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
Georgia dog devours $10K in diamonds
“http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-dog-devours-10georgia-dog-devours-10k-1135159.html
Damn! I can’t let Apollo read this when he has his computer lesson today.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
Larry: I still prefer to blame Rick Perry. Can’t he just tell them in Spanish not to have so many anchor babies
Larry don’t look now but your IQ is showing….
Midori
August 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
I wanna fornicate with Bosch
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:13 pm
“My belief system tells me that if abortion is murder, than the greatest murderer among us is God”
OH SNAP!!!
Yeah, mine too.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:13 pm
“Extraterrestrial intelligence “could attack and kill us, enslave us, or potentially even eat us. ETI could attack us out of selfishness or out of a more altruistic desire to protect the galaxy from us. We might be a threat to the galaxy just as we are a threat to our home planet,” the study explained,”- From Jay’s link on global warming
Add Paul Krugman to the list of liberals talking about space aliens attacking Earth. Add me to. What we needs is a new govt program to deal with these malevolent little green men.
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:14 pm
“No, Jay just wants you to believe that it is in another lame attempt to smear a Republican candidate for President since he has nothing good to prop up the current officeholder.”
AMEN!!! Obama is such a complete and total disaster he has to do everything possible to make the other candidates look bad by comparison. My only question is “what the hell is wrong with the 40% or so who think he’s doing a good job?” Are they living in an alternate universe or what?
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:14 pm
AmVet – explain how it is fallacious morally.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:15 pm
doggone – your agnosticism may explain your pushing immorality.
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:16 pm
doggone – you are proving that liberals such as yourself have no objective morality. which explains why this country has such problems.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:16 pm
Sorry Normal!!
Paddy O
August 24th, 2011
12:17 pm
How is it NOT murder? No gun used? Just a knife?
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
Midori
I want to be seduced…
Oh, and Hi!
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
So GA has improved. Which state is first in teenage pregnancies, and which state is 57th?
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
Paddy, no sir, no ballerina moves.
You said “abortion is murder”.
I said that is patently false.
You now want to now change the question to one of morality.
Ain’t happening.
Show me any accepted definition of the word abortion that includes murder.
Maybe then we’ll do your pas de deux…
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:18 pm
Midori,
OH my God, you crack me up! And make me blush all at one time!
Normal
August 24th, 2011
12:19 pm
“…everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.”
Boy, that sounds eerily Old Testament.
But it smacks onto why the Catholic Pope Constantine minions put Genesis as the first book in the Bible. Evil woman and (gasp) knowledge…Even back then they knew they had to keep the people dumbed down in order to keep them in line. They knew that when the people “got learnin’” they would see the fallacy of Religion. Not the belief in God, mind you, but religion. Keep ‘em down, make them feel guilty for feeling certain God given urges, tell them it’s Satan and the woman’s fault. Evil, evil woman. But the “end of time” is here and religion is steadily being exposed for what it is….just another form of oppression. Not what God intended, one would think.
@@
August 24th, 2011
12:20 pm
OH…..MY…..GAWD!!!!
From earlier this morning on the previous thread.
I remember once, Jay appointed Paul and I as “blog monitors” when he was gone. I felt so powerful, like I did in the 3rd grade when the teacher asked me to write the names of those who talked on the chalkboard while she was away. I wrote you up for just LOOKING like you were about to talk! Awwwwww…..the power, but I digress.–Bosch
This thread?
Jay,
We had a possible namejacker yesterday who namejacked Paul and called getalife a retard.–Bosch.
Bosch, I’ll do you a favor and be embarrassed FOR you. You’re obviously incapable.
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
12:20 pm
Yes, Dave R, 12:05
Bookman got to the fourth paragraph before he mentioned TEXAS and teenage pregnancies in his pre-op promotional.. You should commend him for holding out so long.. Think how much resistance that took!!
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:21 pm
Midori,
I think in order to properly fornicate, you must first be wearing crinolins and bodices.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:21 pm
Bosch:
………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?
His right.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:22 pm
Um, what the hell is Scout talking about?
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Normal @ 12:19,
Nicely put.
RB from Gwinnett
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
“………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?”
Their own fault. Not His.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Evil woman and (gasp) knowledge…
The Muslims are the only ones who recognize this. That’s why the cover they women head to toe, keep them from education, and stone em when they do the adultery thing. Those teenage girls getting pregnant in Texas? They’ld a been honor killed by those good Muslim dads if they was Muslim.
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
Yeah, @@ and the next time you post something that is obviously meant as humor, I’ll make sure to take it literal and be embarrassed for you too.
K?
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
12:23 pm
“ETI could attack us out of selfishness or out of a more altruistic desire to protect the galaxy from us. We might be a threat to the galaxy just as we are a threat to our home planet,” the study explained, adding that “Humanity may just now be entering the period in which its rapid civilizational expansion could be detected by an ETI because our expansion is changing the composition of Earth’s atmosphere (e.g. via greenhouse gas emissions), which therefore changes the spectral signature of Earth.”
Oh my effen gawd!! Now my pick-up truck is a threat to whole galaxy!!
Anybody want to argue that some climate change alarmists aren’t using scare tactics that were dreamed up while they were passing the bong around one night.
Normal
August 24th, 2011
12:24 pm
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:21 pm
Midori,
I think in order to properly fornicate, you must first be wearing crinolins and bodices.
———————————
…and you’d better be good with hooks and buttons…takes an hour just to get her shoes off…
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:24 pm
Um, what the hell is RB talking about?
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:24 pm
Normal,
Bosch fingers = magic.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:25 pm
Thanks Scout,
Not sure why dave r gets a free pass on personal attacks everyday but I am trying.
Again @@,
Very disappointing.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:27 pm
PaddyO: debbie – you are crossing two replies – so I must conclude you are a bit of a dunce. the gender question regarded pain, not the act of fornication. attempting to rationalize obvious self-defeating activity
Oh really? Yet you came back at DogGone with this little gem right here:
doggone – probably about 20%, which were the general # of bimbo sluts in the community.
I may have “crossed” two replies into one, but they were both YOUR replies and they both were in regards as to how you actually feel about women. PaddyO you don’t have to live your life filled with festering hatred towards women, you can become a Tea Partyier, vote for Bachmann, and show the world that dumb females like her are your ideal of womanhood.
MIdori: I wanna fornicate with Bosch
Only if you want to take that Mrs. Bosch azz whupping when she finds out! Just say no, Midori, just say no.
PaddyO: doggone – you are proving that liberals such as yourself have no objective morality. which explains why this country has such problems.
Paddy – the fainting couch will be available as soon as you quit clutching your pearls dramatically and do a proper swoon. Thanks!
Normal: Nobody programs Normal…Nobody
You are soooo silly!
BADA BING
August 24th, 2011
12:27 pm
There are more teen pregnancies in Texas because everyone is bilingual. I am not judging anyone……I’m just sayin’.
Matthew
August 24th, 2011
12:28 pm
According to Jay, abstaining from sex will not prevent someone from getting pregnant.
So, Jay, please do tell. How does abstinence not work? Moron.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2011
12:28 pm
“………… and if an omnipotent, omniscient, holy, righteous God sends the souls of people who reject Him to a place called hell for eternity ………. what would that be?”
A compelling story. Someone should write a book and put it in the “Fiction” section.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:29 pm
pad,
When you cut services for the poor children, you are not pro life.
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:29 pm
getalife:
I see since Jay’s admonition the other night that you are doing much better in your respect of other posters.
+++++++++++++
Is there a chance that getalife is indeed one of Jay’s alter-egos?
If not that, could getalife really be Mortimer the ventriloquist dummy?
(Attention Blog Narcs: note I said “dummy” and not “retard”)
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:30 pm
godless heathen,
I thought I told you to be off with yo pesky facts and statistical analysis. We don’t need that thank you. We was getting along just fine with our heated emotional rhetoric on Rick Perry impregnatin all them Texas teenagers.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:31 pm
jed,
I could “narc ” you out for that personal attack but I will not.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:32 pm
have been in meetings … have I missed anything since P. 4?
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:33 pm
“…everything evil comes from between a woman’s legs.”
++++++++++++++++
leave Oprah out of this
@@
August 24th, 2011
12:33 pm
Getalife:
I don’t even attempt to figure out what’s going on here anymore. Why did jay reprimand you when you hadn’t even made a comment on this thread?
The “Retard” word? I gave up on reprimanding anyone for that. I seemed to be the only one who cared. My students don’t blog here so are, therefore, not exposed. I don’t recall you taking issue when the left was using it at ml’s.
Bosch:
Yeah, @@ and the next time you post something that is obviously meant as humor, I’ll make sure to take it literal and be embarrassed for you too.
Did you or did you not just snitch on someone?
I rest my case.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:34 pm
Oops, I did it again.
USinUK,
Abortion.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:34 pm
Normal: But the “end of time” is here and religion is steadily being exposed for what it is….just another form of oppression
I would quote you-know-who and say, “Religion is the opiate of the people.”; but then I’d have 100 posts saying that I idolize <you-know-who, who was the devil. In human form.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:35 pm
have been in meetings … have I missed anything since P. 4?
Abortion=murder.
Everything that is evil comes from between the legs of you women.
Inconsequential stuff.
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:35 pm
No @@,
I agree with palin on that word.
Never give up.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:37 pm
Kam – in other words, SOP for the righties everytime teh sexy is mentioned … ewwwww … dirty! evil! SHAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:38 pm
“PaddyO you don’t have to live your life filled with festering hatred towards women, you can become a Tea Partyier, vote for Bachmann, and show the world that dumb females like her are your ideal of womanhood”- Debbiedoright
Bout time we got to dem evil ole tea party folk. Can I get an Amen on that nutcake Bachman! Raising 5 kids and 17 foster kids doesn’t make you the ideal for womanhood. It makes you evil! As Debbie points out you got to be dumb to care bout that many kids when the govt can do it for you!
And what’s even more insidious about this woman is that she and those evil ole tea party folk want the budget balanced. The sheer nerve of them folk! Just plain Evil!
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:38 pm
somebody needs to tell slick Rick that abstinence only works if you abstain (kinda like abortion only works if you have an abortion). it’s funny how the self-proclaimed Constutionalist, libertarian, states’ rights types seem to disappear when it comes to the big “A”. and religion or personal views aside, where in the Constitution does it say the state should educate, or that abstinence should be part of the curriculum?
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:38 pm
Just curious: Is “Tea Tard” offensive? If so, I’ll refrain from using it unless offense is duly warranted.
Granny Godzilla
August 24th, 2011
12:39 pm
Everything that is evil comes from between the legs of you women.
People come from there.
ALL PEOPLE.
ALL people are evil?
dunderheads.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
When you cut services for the poor children, you are not pro life.
Pro-life BEFORE birth, after birth they are called, Pro-tests. See they protest free school lunches, they protest birth control, they protest food supplements, etc., etc., etc.,
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
USinUK… DaveR wants you to believe that ”Jay just wants you to believe that young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault” but he’s been a bit silient about posting evidence to back that absurdity.
Mary Elizabeth
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
Literacy, or lack thereof, is a main reason for higher teen birth rates.
——————————————————————————————
That was my thinking so I thought I would do some research to verifty it.
I checked out this site: http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/StateEstimates.aspx
This is what I found:
Of the ten states that had the highest teen birth rates according to Jay’s chart, their average % for “Percentage (of population) lacking basic prose literacy skills” was 14.6%.
Of the ten states that had the lowest teen birth rates according to Jay’s chart, their average % for “Percentage (of population) lacking basic prose literacy skills” was 11.0%.
Here are states and their individual percentages for population lacking basic prose literacy skills:
Top 10 State with Highest Teen Birth Rates, with % of pop. lacking literacy skills given:
————————————————————————————————————–
MS 16%
NM 16%
TX 19%
OK 12%
AK 14%
LA 16%
KY 12%
AL 15%
AZ 13%
TN 13%
Top Ten States With Lowest Teen Birth Rates, with % of pop. lacking literacy skills. given:
————————————————————————————————————
NH 6%
VT 7%
MA 10%
Connecticut 9%
NJ 17%
MN 6%
NY 22%
Maine 7%
RI 8%
ND 6%
PA 13%
NOTE: All but two of the states with the lowest birth rates are from the Northeast.
All but two of the states with the highest birth rates are from the South.
Also, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania have unusally high lack of literacy skills for their group of low teen birth rate states, which made the average % for their group of states higher.
I suspect their higher % rates may be caused by their diverse populations which increased their higher lack of literacy rates because those populations would have had difficulty in reading English literacy tests. Yet, those populations of teens may also have been well informed about how to prevent pregnancy and practiced that prevention.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
“somebody needs to tell slick Rick that abstinence only works if you abstain”
or, as someone else once said “abstinence works … until it doesn’t” … kinda like the nurse who said “you know what I call women who use ‘natural family planning’? mothers”
Message from Matti
August 24th, 2011
12:40 pm
Granny G,
And what about the placenta? If placenta is evil, why do they put it in expensive shampoo to make your hair shiny?
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:41 pm
Looks like GG has mastered the art of debate.
Short and to the point.
I am not worthy.
Kamchak
August 24th, 2011
12:41 pm
Kam – in other words, SOP for the righties everytime teh sexy is mentioned … ewwwww … dirty! evil!
Oddly enough, having a fund raiser at a bondage themed lesbian strip-club doesn’t seem to draw the same level of poutrage.
md
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
“…and you’d better be good with hooks and buttons…takes an hour just to get her shoes off…”
If it takes an hour, the shoes are staying on……………..less to put back on.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
Hi USinUK
Just got back from the gym, and yeah you missed a biggie.
People were talking about God and Hell and the medieval interpretations and Bosch made a funny!
“Um, what the hell is RB talking about?”
Then getalife came in with one of his astute observations
“When you cut services for the poor children, you are not pro life.”
so it’s just another freewheeling time at Jay’s place.
Midori
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
Kammy – you silver tongued devil you!!
Bosch – where am I gonna get those? Tea Party ‘R Us Harlot Apparel??
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:42 pm
“DaveR wants you to believe that ”Jay just wants you to believe that young girls getting pregnant is Rick Perry’s fault” but he’s been a bit silient about posting evidence to back that absurdity.”
as has GLL et al
Perry supports abstinence education = Texas’s high pregnancy rate is ALL PERRY’S FAULT!!!
(but, as I said earlier, that actually makes sense when you consider all the stuff they say is Obama’s fault – the stock market, the EU economy, the price of gas, etc – of course they think we think the same way)
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:43 pm
Matti,
Tea tard is acceptable. After all anyone who wants a balanced budget and for the government to live within its means has just got to be crazy.
AmVet
August 24th, 2011
12:43 pm
Living in denial is no solution.
As much as the reactionary right wing desperately wants to get back there, the 1950s are not coming back. Ever. Never.
Progress or die.
Just don’t take the rest of us with you…
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:43 pm
Bosch:
I think you insinuated that natural abortions were caused by God and therefore his would also be a “murderer”.
I simply opined that as God (the Creator) He has the right (and knowledge) to know what is best ………….. we don’t. He therefore can send souls He created to hell for eternity ……….. and it’s His right ………. not murder.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
Liberal Larry, I’ve opined about the farm subsidies and Medicaid disbursements to Marcus Bachman’s “faith based” enterprise; but glad you brought up the foster children. the State of Minnesota (and likely via any number of Federal programs) takes money from producers (taxpayers) and gives it to moochers like the Bachman’s foster kids. Of course, the kids don’te get a check every month, the Bachman family does. I suspect a portion of that redistributed wealth has paid for any number of footlong hot dogs. I’m just speculating, of course.
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
Kam – “having a fund raiser at a bondage themed lesbian strip-club doesn’t seem to draw the same level of poutrage.”
well, of course not! men kissing men is icky – they don’t have quite the same problem with wimmen kissing wimmen.
1811/0311
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
Excuse me: “He” would also be ……………
Bosch
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
@@
No I didn’t “snitch” I was putting something in context for Jay, or hoping that I was. Ask getalife
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 24th, 2011
12:44 pm
I see my cyber-stalker monkey is rattling his cage again.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:45 pm
Tea Party ‘R Us Harlot Apparel??- Midori
Yes. It must be the tea party that is the community that has near 70% of their babies born out of wedlock.
Paul
August 24th, 2011
12:45 pm
USinUK
“as someone else once said “abstinence works … until it doesn’t” ”
High school biology – even way back then, it was memorize this and diagram that and list the types of birth control and the percent effectiveness and all that. Teacher was describing different methods and asked ‘what do you call people who use birth control?” Blank looks from students, then he said “parents.”
Lots of ‘uh-oh’ expressions…..
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:46 pm
ME, I think you need to out an * next to Alaska, as it would be much less without the Palin family data
Dusty
August 24th, 2011
12:46 pm
Well, sorry folks, I know you hate the thought but morality is the best thing going to prevent unwanted pregnancies. It suggests self control and appreciation for one’s own body as something precious to be protected. It makes joy in marriage without guilt or explanations.
Morality should be understood and taught by parents from an early age. To grow with faith and morality also takes good examples as parents should remember.
So carry on about your abortions, sex education, and what you gotta have ‘casue you are human. It is just an excuse for human weakness and the inability to control your own impulses. YOU are responsible for your own weaknesses and the trouble they bring.
DebbieDoRight
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
PaddyO: Bout time we got to dem evil ole tea party folk. Can I get an Amen on that nutcake Bachman! Raising 5 kids and 17 foster kids doesn’t make you the ideal for womanhood. It makes you evil! As Debbie points out you got to be dumb to care bout that many kids when the govt can do it for you!
Oy vay — you believe EVERYTHING that woman says don’t ya?
First — She didn’t RAISE 17 foster kids. Some of those kids only stayed with her a few days or weeks, not until they were adults.
Two – She got PAID for doing it! She got money from the evil Govern-ment, as well as food subsidies, medical subsidies AND,(GASP!) the dreaded FOOD STAMPS!
Three – You don’t have to be dumb to care for kids, just dumb to believe everything a politician (a dumb one at that) says.
I wonder……did I just call you dumb?
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
nd gives it to moochers like the Bachman’s foster kids.- Joe the Plutocrat
Just as I suspected Joe. Bachman must be doing it all for the money! The moolah! I suspected all along the woman was doing it to get rich off those govt checks and now it is confirmed. It must pay a lot more than being a $400 an hour tax attorney.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
Awww… Dave is name calling again. How original. And yet he fails to address the absurdity of his claim. Dave fails again.
Got anything besides name calling, Dave?
getalife
August 24th, 2011
12:47 pm
Bosch,
Thank you .
“I see my cyber-stalker monkey is rattling his cage again”
I don’t think dave r is capable of writing no personal attacks.
It is bizarre he gets a free pass.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
USinUK, or comedian Steve Martin who quipped; as a celebrity, I feel it is important to give something back. I support teenage mothers; I help them get their start.
md
August 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
“People come from there.
ALL PEOPLE.”
Might want to re-think that one……………..
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
“I know you hate the thought but morality is the best thing going to prevent unwanted pregnancies. It suggests self control and appreciation for one’s own body as something precious to be protected. It makes joy in marriage without guilt or explanations.”
http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsTeenPregnancy/
gosh, I guess that means that the folks in the Netherlands, France, Germany, and the UK are WAYYYYY more moral than Americans
USinUK
August 24th, 2011
12:49 pm
Joe –
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August 24th, 2011
12:50 pm
GA
First in teen pregnancies
First in bank closures
First in corrupt politicians
Last in education (you can’t be good at EVERYTHING)
Joe the Plutocrat
August 24th, 2011
12:50 pm
Scout, did you just argue that (your) god has “rights”? If our rights have been endowed by our Creator, who/what bestowed god’s rights? be careful, it could be “the big bang” or the cosmos.
Uncle Jed
August 24th, 2011
12:51 pm
If it takes an hour, the shoes are staying on…………….
+++++++++++++++++
And besides, strapping the spurs directly to the ankles is inhumane.
Liberal Larry
August 24th, 2011
12:51 pm
Debbiedoright. You almost got me. I don’t believe in a balanced budget therefore I am not dumb as is Bachman. I likewise do not believe in govt living within its means like those nutty tea party nuts. I believe in runaway govt spending- that makes me intelligent- just like you.
On Bachman I kinda figured she was scamming the system. Who knew that those checks from the govt paid more than charging $400 an hour as a tax attorney? Who knew?