Georgia Republicans believe themselves invulnerable

Well, it could be worse, I suppose.

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Oh, and Jay, you just blindly hate Republicans, that’s the only reason you keep posting these hack columns. You’d never say anything mean or nasty about your Democrat buddies.

(thought I’d get that one out of the way.)

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Stands,
Saved that one. Going to read it all…thanks!

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“Ethical missteps, bad judgment, failure to govern — they believe that none of it matters as long as those magic words “Barack Obama” retain the power to distract and anger Georgia voters.”

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Rightwing majority thought prevails only in the present in Georgia. The tipping point toward a more progressive Georgia will be sooner rather than later. The exact time of this change is unknowable, but it will occur. 47% of Georgians voted for Barack Obama for President of the U.S. in the national election of 2008. That’s 47%. “Pride before Fall.”

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Maxine Waters. She’s in the news. Let’s discuss the progressives in CA. C’mon, Jay.

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She’s in the news.

Clearly expressing what a majority of Americans believe is not really all that newsworthy.

But, nice attempted deflection from the topic at hand, anyway.

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“Once politicians feel themselves unaccountable, there’s no telling what they might do.”

Now ain’t that rich?

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The Rpublicans secret weapon here is Georgia and across the nation is their rehtoric of bigotry, racism and hate to their base of the silly, foolish and misinformed. And they know that the so-called mainstream media, with few exceptions will challenge them. But, the salvation is; that no lie will live forever and I believe the end to this right wing Republican non-sense is near.

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Well….If common decency, moral character and integrity won’t straighten out the GOP cabal in Georgia then perhaps they need to be reminded that according to Gallop just last week President Obama has a 48% approval rating here in our home state.

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Bring it on Jay

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The CEO of major bail-out recipient Citibank is replacing the current President of Standard & Poor.
The Republican Bail-Out has earned the distinction of being the largest Entitlement Program ever conceived by the U.S. Government.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Justice Department is investigating whether Standard & Poor improperly rated dozens of mortgage securities in the years leading up to the financial crisis in 2008.

The unethical business practices continue during the “George W. Bush Great Recession”.

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Though it is utterly futile, this column should be read to every lockstep, corruption coddling, reactionary Republican in this state.

Though a helluva challenge, it appears that the Georgia GOP is just trying to outslime their party brethren in Washington.

Nathan Deal encourages the ‘troops”…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr5KyLzFdgI

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Racism is pretty much dead in America. Now we have Republicism and Democratism. We are a divided country based upon two groups. No matter which party is power, we either hate or defend based upon who we voted for.
Freedom of the press used to mean reporters would go after both parties…no longer true. It all depends on what network or paper the reporter receives a paycheck from as to which party he/she will try to destroy.
Guy Incognito…you may be right…we may see a divided country again in our life time.

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Guy Incognito

If I don’t like the political situation in Georgia, I will stay and try to improve it. Unlike you, I do not have a “cut and run” personality.

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Besides, what other options due [sic] the good [sic] people of Georgia have.

golly, I don’t know… maybe they could stop voting kneejerk reactionary a-holes into positions of power, as they’ve tended to do for a coupla centuries now?

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OFF TOPIC, but check this out:

HEADLINE: White House to Scale Back Regulations on Businesses

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904279004576524870307612628.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Hey look, the President is LEADING. At least, according to the Republican definition of leading so far. Watch those leadership goalposts move. Just watch…

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Ah yes, some real red meat to start your day from the party of “tolerance and inclusion”.

August 23, 2011

Maxine Waters: ‘The tea party can go straight to hell’

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/21/maxine-waters-the-tea-party-can-go-straight-to-hell/#ixzz1Vr2WksS9

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carlosgvv -Perry never considered secession.Another invention of the MSM.
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Governor Perry is a pandering Statist fool who is avalaible to the highest bidder.
Makes Obama look like a piker.
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And no………..Perry would not like me.No Statists do …for I expose the lie that they are living…….and no one really enjoys that.
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Oh Jay, you poor poor pitiful wanker. Just because your boy Obama is tanking in the polls and continues to ruin any prospects for recovery.

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With 5 kids, one of the things keeping me in Geirgia is the Hope scholarship. I fear the republicans will succeed in killing it, or at least crippling it to the point of irrelevance, before my younger children have any chance of benefitting from it.

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Adam – The moves only save 10 billion over 5 years. 2 billion per year – big whoop.

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The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
August 23rd, 2011
8:31 am

By the way, go back and read the first paragraph in the article:

“The Obama administration will release final plans Tuesday for ending or cutting back hundreds of regulations, an effort to reduce the burden on business and counter criticism that the White House is tone-deaf to business concerns.”

Obama made the move to “counter criticism” he was ignoring business concerns. Yeah, great “leadership”. Talk about moving the goalposts……..

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Jay

Your first three paragraphs – I was hoping it might bleed over to our next election in Texas.

Then I read your examples. Hoo-wheee…. this Texan has to say ‘no way we’re beating you at that.”

And that’s quite a mouthful.

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Public pressure? The Republicans/Tea Nuts seem to celebrate more when their Republican officials have criminal/ethical background problems and flaunt the hypocrisy as if it is a badge of courage. But they foam at the mouth if you mention Obama….
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I sure hope Adam has taken some motion sickness meds because he is already seeing the rapid movement of the goalposts!

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And you kindly forgot to mention that our state has over 10% unemployment under this Republican administration with no signs of easing.

You are talking about a group who elected Nathan Deal as Governor. Few are more conservative than I am and this group embarrasses me.

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Just as the national Republican party is beginning to crack under the weight of its own hubris and greed, so to will the state Republican party. I don’t know when or what will set off its failure, but overreaching and this feeling of invincibility will come to roost.

You have to figure that the old statement “nature abhors a vacuum” is true. So know that the R Party has pretty much abolished the Democratic party in Georgia, there is a vacuum of political intrigue. So they will begin to turn on themselves.

But remember, there is NO difference between political beings and corporations. Corporations and government feed on each other like incestuous jackals. And we all know what happens as a result of that,

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Even a party of inclusion should not include fools and charlatans.

And yes, the Tea Party can go straight to hell.

All us socialist, communist, trailer park living, america-hating, business-hating, government teat sucking, caddy driving welfare kings and queens with I phones, food stamp getting, muslim, uppity,
half-rican, lonely, fat folks think so.

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Oh, and Sen. Jack Murphy is the epitome of the do-nothing political blowhard.

Just sayin!

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Murphy, Deal, Rogers and Graves have one thing in common. They made illegal immigrants the focus of their campaigns. Georgians dislike illegal immigrants more than they dislike blatant, in your face corruption. Pathetic.

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go, granny, go!

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Leg Lamp: Obama made the move to “counter criticism” he was ignoring business concerns.

Right and I’m sure that’s the only reason he would do that.

I guess that makes sense if you REALLY BELIEVE that regulations are just rules that popped out of nowhere and Obama just closed his eyes and threw darts at a list of them to see which ones to get rid of. You know, because not a single one of them should exist…..

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Guy Incognito,

Why don’t YOU move to a place where everybody is exactly like you? I’m FROM here, and we’re NOT going away. We’re not going to sit down, shut up, or get over it either. Nor will we let the corruption go unnoticed as the people about whom Mr. Bookman writes are counting on. If you’re so threatened by the notion that somebody might someday challenge the parroted, bee-ess talking points that come out of your mouth — oh how embarrassing! — then YOU move. Bullies are just chicken sh** on the inside anyway, and everybody knows it.

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No free lunches….

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-22/baby-boomers-selling-shares-may-depress-stocks-for-decades-fed-paper-says.html

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Granny G 8:40 – at least you know yourself well.

Self awareness is the first step to recovery.

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The Tea Party is saving America from long term financial armaggeddon. Fact.

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Why is it with you liberals Book Man that when dems act this way they are being aggressive. When Conservatives act this way they are cocky? Man, you do tow the liberal line I will give you that much. Problem is is clouds your opinion and makes you no different then a Limbaugh or Hannity. Better take a valium after that comparison big boy. I know you need it.

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Cocky is way better than the childish finger waiving and tongue sticking out of Rahm Emanuel, don’t you think? Where were your “Cocky” statements when the democrats drew the lines 10 years ago, typical liberal hypocrisy. What about the Obozo statement to the GOP to “get in the back of the bus” I guess that would not be considered cocky if you are a dimwit liberal….

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“I know you libs think the tea party movement is part of the republican party but it’s not. It’s a condemnation of the republican party.”

I guess we should all just ignore the fact that they ARE Republicans

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jm

August 23rd, 2011
8:48 am
The Tea Party is saving America from long term financial armaggeddon. Fact.

When pigs fly over the debt limit poofing glitter and silver dollars

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jt

Perry suggested at a news conference that Texans might, at some point, get so fed up that they would consider seceding from the Union. He carefully worded it to distance himself from these feelings, but, as Paul Simon said – “say now who do, who do you think you’re fooling”.

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USinUK

August 23rd, 2011
8:49 am
“I know you libs think the tea party movement is part of the republican party but it’s not. It’s a condemnation of the republican party.”

I guess we should all just ignore the fact that they ARE Republicans

What you liberals ignore is that we in the Tea Party will vote out Republicans who are not fiscally responsible. You liberals will stand by a bad democrat and basically let them eat their young.

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Georgia’s unemployment rate being over 10% confuses me. I mean the Republicans have been the majority for how long now? Where are the jobs? Where are they? It surely can’t be Obama’s fault. He isn’t running Georgia. Where, Republicans, are the jobs or at the very least a jobs bill? I am really curious.

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USinUK. That’s an odd statement. How would you possibly know that? The world isn’t divided into two groups; Republican and Democrat. There are those whose lives do not revolve around affiliation to a party. There are few “yellow dawg republicans”.

Of course, this is a concept you may have difficulty grasping.

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jm: The Tea Party is saving America from long term financial armaggeddon. Fact.

No, that’s an opinion.

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Don’t you know, Jay? Personal responsibility, ethics and accountability are for the little people!

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Yes, its just a big cycle that we can’t get out of. In 2008, eager Democrats in Washington and elsewhere were going to change the world. After all, they won the election. Now Republicans are badly overplaying their hand at both the state and national level. No wonder big problems never get solved. In fact, they just get worse.

It’s just going to take a Depression to change our ways.

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Peter, expand that to “we are politicians” and you would be correct.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

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Maybe we should let democrats take over the state….you know, so the rest of the state can operate like Atlanta, Clayton, and Dekalb. They have great school systems and foreclosures are low! Oh, wait…

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Um. Which group finally brought an end to Congressional EARMARKS? Hmmm, let me think now.

For the daft, here’s the answer: the Tea Party.

Which group is trying to reign in our parabolic debt and deficit? Answer for the clueless: the Tea Party.

The Tea Party has some warts. But it should be embraced as a force for good in America.

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My neighbor is an extremely nice guy, father of 4, gets up every morning around 6am to get to work and gets home around 6, has a beautiful house, a very friendly guy, helps his neighbors out anytime they need it, has some fantastic children that are excelling in school and college….

Wait, this guy told me he’s a Republican, how can this be?? He must be an evil thug because he’s a Republican!!

You guys on here have truly gotten worse and worse to the point now it’s comical…

Judging another human being because they vote politically a certain way is just downright pathetic.

This blog is more of a joke these days than a forum for educated discussions.

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Normal

“The Tea Party doesn’t know it’s arse from a hole in the ground. Fact.”

Kinda like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bfe6CgYbH8

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August 23rd, 2011
9:01 am
“What you liberals ignore is that we in the Tea Party will vote out Republicans who are not fiscally responsible. You liberals will stand by a bad democrat and basically let them eat their young.”

Really, Terd? So Tom Graves and Chip Rogers will be defeated in the GOP primaries? David Ralston won’t be speaker any longer? The Tea Party will demand the resignation of Jack Murphy as Banking Committee chair?

Really Jay, if we have a Tea Party candidate that makes sense to run against them then they will. If not, then they will have no chance to raise money from our side. Accountability of both sides is what we are about. Not the racist tea baggers that “journalist” like you paint us as. Your credibility is right their with a Rangle and Pelosi. You are battling a losing war that in 2012 your losses will be beyond comprehension and you will blame Bush, the Tea Party and white men for your losses. Never looking at your man in the WH or in the mirror.

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“I see, jm.

Hope and change, huh?”

Can’t wait to see THAT sign at a Tea Party rally!

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Cocky? You want cocky??

Cocky was 10 years ago when the Dem controlled legislature drew that ridiculous doughnut shaped district to pack it with Democrats…..now THAT was cocky. This stuff by Repubs is typical “to the victor goes the spoils”

Remember….”Elections have consequences”…..now, I wonder who said that……hmmmm…..can’t quite put my finger on that one….

“Hope and Change is now……NOT MY FAULT!!”

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Jay 9:05 – you got it Current status quo on most fronts blows (national, state, etc)

Throw the bums out!

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Debbie,

We are not powerless. We just have to break the addiction to limiting ourselves to only two schools of thought and replace the current “politicians” with real citizens who serve out of duty, not out of ambition.

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I lean Republican, but have to say I agree with you. And the sad thing is, you have only covered the things that have happened so far this year. To say the Georgia Republican Party in power has been a disappointment is a wild understatement.

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Matthew

August 23rd, 2011
8:32 am
Oh Jay, you poor poor pitiful wanker. Just because your boy Obama is tanking in the polls and continues to ruin any prospects for recovery.

i see you frantically waving your arms in the air to try and distract people from the screwup g.o.p. in this state.

Matthew

August 23rd, 2011
8:33 am
Adam – The moves only save 10 billion over 5 years. 2 billion per year – big whoop.

if a g.o.p. president hhad done the same thing, you would be wildly celebrating and calling those moves the start of something big.

you are truly a talented comic.

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Gosh WOODSTOCK MIKE…. silly stuff ! you guys are fools…

By the way your neighbor who is Republican, sounds like a nice guy….now why wouldn’t he be ?

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Paul 9:07 oh I’ll grant there’s no detailed plan from TPers, they just intuitively and intelligently know more debt is bad and our fiscal trajectory is unsustainable. And they know more government is bad. Now, it takes leaders to translate that into a real plan. Of course, that will never come from the current administration.

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jm

Congressional members of The Tea Party were more than willing to let America go into default, which would have caused a major financial disaster. And yet, you say they should “be embraced as a force for good in America”. Whose good are you talking about? Russia’s, China’s, Al Quida’s?

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Jay, the lack of education produces an ignorant voter. This has now led to the Repub’s endorsement/morphing into the Tea Party. Basically, poor critical thinking skills and no understanding of History is the fault of our collective leadership at the local level. Turn off the TV and start reading!

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“Um. Which group finally brought an end to Congressional EARMARKS? Hmmm, let me think now.”

That thinkin’ thing…..don’t hurt yourself…

“But buried deeply in these 359 pages of ugly surprises is a provision that would mean one community in America would do a lot better than all of the others. The legislation added an estimated $450 million for a particular bit of defense spending that the Department of Defense did not ask for and does not want.

The item is a down payment that would obligate the federal government to future payments that could well be three or four times the increased spending added to this particular piece of legislation, with a big portion of the funds flowing to two cities in Ohio—Cincinnati, where Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) grew up, and Dayton, the largest city in his congressional district.

The money will go to pay the costs to General Electric Co.’s General Electric Aviation unit and the British-owned Rolls Royce Group for their development of an engine for the new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft—money that looks, feels, and smells very much like an earmark.”

February 13, 2011 Center for American Progress

Even though Senate Republicans banned earmarks in November, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) promised yesterday afternoon that he will find a way to circumvent that ban in order get his pet project funded, even if it means voting against the short-term continuing resolution Congress is now considering to fund the government:

Graham said there are plans to put language in the continuing budget resolution for the current year authorizing the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to spend some of its own money so the study is not delayed further.

It will not mention Charleston specifically or include a dollar amount but Graham says corps officials told him they could put in between $50,000 and $100,000.

“The state is ready to write the check for the rest tomorrow. We just need to get the corps authorization to spend the money,” he said, adding he will oppose any continuing budget without the provision.

3-15-11 Think Progress

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jm

As I said, I give them credit for bringing the issue to the forefront. But, as so often happens, pushing further and further turns non-TP support to alienation.

Did you see the WSJ editorial posted earlier on the differences in attitudes regarding the economy and government over the past few years? Those were some very good points to consider.

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Adam

August 23rd, 2011
9:13 am
The Tea Party has NO SEATS anywhere. The Tea Party doesn’t exist as a party, only as a far right wing of the Republican Party. They are loud and obnoxious, but they are a minority of the party and do not have their OWN party. They are, as Michele Bachmann probably thinks, just infiltrating.

Adam, that kool-aid is going to taste real bitter in November 2012 for you. have the Suicide Hot Line Number handy, you will want the help. Obama, the gift that keeps giving to Republicans everyday.

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jm

Didn’t finish. Regarding a plan, seems to me when one has a political movement, not just an individual, but a movement pouring money and resources into getting ‘their’ candidate elected, that they have a responsibility to do more than complain. Like say, specifically, how we fix things. Especially when they ridicule their opponents (like Pres Obama) for not living up to their standards.

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Hey WOODSTOCK MIKE……do you ever read Kyle Wingfield’s blog ?….he did a piece on the under age sex trade in the Atlanta Area….. seems the culprits have a distinct demographic.

Rich older Republican males….. he said it not me !

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hey turd….while i cannot prove it without access to insider information, i am absolutely convinced that the tea party is wholly owned and operated by karl rove’s group…..american crossroads.

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So, all you old democrats out there – still think getting rid of the Rebel Battle flag was a WISE maneuver for YOU or your voters

Boy that’s telling us….why I remember Sonny promised to bring it back….how did that work out for you?

It was a smart move then and remains a smart move…and yet you continue to fall for the silliness of the Republicans that knew it was a smart move, but played you and then failed you…..

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The original tea part was a single act. It made a statement and then the participants melted back into society. The current “tea party” bears little resemblence to its namesake.

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Hey Paul….where do you think those contracts came from ?

Who’s office wrote those ?

Why would I be careful about stating a fact ?

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Paul – YOU REALIZE that Texas VOTES every year whether or NOT to remain in the union, no? Texas was previously an independent country, so secession there is not so far fetched.

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jm: Paul Ryan put a plan forward and all he was given in return was a constant roasting

1) Is Paul Ryan part of the Tea Party? It’s really hard to tell sometimes who is and who isn’t
2) So if a plan is presented, and rejected, stop trying?

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The Georgia state motto: “Don’t confuse me with the facts.” I simply cannot understand such an incredible allegiance to ignorance. I understand the good ol’ boy” politicians reliance on it…it keeps them in power and in control…I just don’t get WANTING to remain completely and totally clueless and uneducated.

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Plans:

1. Obama’s Deficit Commission plan (DOA after Obama himself ignored it)
2. Paul Ryan reform
3. Gang of Six plan (delayed but irrelevant after POTUS pulled the rug out from under them)
4. Obama’s informal deficit team prior to debt ceiling raise: result, pathetic immaterial changes and more punting
5. New 12 member deficit team; prognosis: not good

Why so much of this garbage? Because the POTUS doesn’t know how to lead on issues of huge importance. He’s just Bush 2.0: hand out more goodies (ARRA, Health “reform”) but don’t do anything to fix our financial situation.

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FINALLY!!

It only took several dozen deflections, non-apologies, misdirections and red herrings but FINALLY a Republican with the courage to admit the obvious and with a backbone to speak the truth about the abysmal failings of these imperious frauds..

Sally, you are a breath of fresh air upon a squalid sea of non-conservative b*llsh*t.

Thank you.

(Way to man up all you Republican men.)

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Sean – said by a Democrat, but still applies: “the only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught with a dead girl or a live boy”

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Paddy – the imperial federal government has proven in the past, when challenged on Constitutional matters, like whether states had the right to govern themselves, that they will fight to preserve their ideal of one unified government that has control over everything you do. Of course, history has been rewritten in much of the country to change the issues of 150 years ago to something else, but that doesn’t change what was the root cause. Lincoln picked a fight, and nearly lost it several times, yet because he didn’t, the people that were defending their rights were the ones branded as traitors. Well, like they say, history is written by the victors.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

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“Why do you dems think that deficit spending is OK?”

ever heard of Ronnie Reagan??? Patron Saint of deficit spending.

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The current flag is the flag of the Confederacy…

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Jay – that is SOMEWHAT true. Many of the repubs were here prior to the flag change that removed the veil from yellow dog democrats’ eyes. Also, if you genuinely believe that statement, then your article is actually arguing that the repubs need to flush the old repub-dem guys down the toilet & elect genuine repubs, yes?

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Who is the Tea Party? The Daily Show explains!

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ok, gotta go now that I’ve refuted a few liberal lies

cheerio

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jm: That is a crap argument on leadership. Not only have you forgotten any of the other plans Obama offered that were accepted and helped (some of these in his “list of accomplishments”) you also assert he has done nothing to attempt to fix our financial situation.

On jobs, Obama has helped to increase job creation.
On finances, Obama has set up a Consumer Protection Agency (which Republicans are blocking LEADERSHIP of).
On business, Obama proposed WAAAAAAY back to eliminate useless regulation, and now is making good after the study was completed.
On foreign policy (ignoring for the moment the idea of “the ends justify the means”) Obama has employed a strategy called “leading from behind” by his OWN TEAM, and it worked way better than the Yosemite Sam tactic of Iraq and Afghanistan. In addition, he authorized the mission to kill Osama bin Laden, in a way that was suggested to him be advisers as the most definitive way to deal with the problem. Both were decisions that were decisive.

The list goes on, and to say he has NO leadership is just intellectually dishonest.

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It’s becasue the Republicans screw up/commit fraud with the correct version of Jesus in what should be their hearts so it’s all forgivable.

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carlosgvv – ah, so a minority of the Republican party is at fault for potentially letting the government default? right……

out

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“ok, gotta go now that I’ve refuted a few liberal lies”

Some people are such champions in their own minds.

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“changing the GA flag was then and is now still the right thing to do”

Ah, yes….and they changed it from one confederate flag to another. People are just too ill-informed to realize that fact.

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Bosch – 9:39 – well, someone has to love jm … it might as well be him.

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(ir)Rational: that they will fight to preserve their ideal of one unified government that has control over everything you do.

Hyperbole much? Do tell me how you don’t benefit from a national currency, national military force, national commerce (think Amazon and any business that wants to export to other states), LOCAL and state police and LOCAL fire, etc etc.

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Adam 9:37

Only a liberal could possibly think “leading from behind” is leadership. how funny

I was referring to the tough financial issues. Not the pass punt easy issues Obama has nominally taken on. Easy to hand out candy. Obama hasn’t served up any vegetables yet. And that’s what leadership is about.

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Libertarian: Ah, yes….and they changed it from one confederate flag to another. People are just too ill-informed to realize that fact.

It’s all optics

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Surely, Jay, you’re not trying to imply that *only* Republicans have “Ethical missteps, bad judgment, failure to govern”? A host of recent counter-examples says otherwise.

However, I am with you on some of these. Elected officials should be expected to be held to high ethical standards. No elected or appointed official should be allowed to operate outside the law or beyond the ethical standards expected and appropriate structures and measures should be in place to allow the public to be made aware of breaches and penalties for (major, intentional) violations should include impeachment and removal from their position.

This has nothing to do with the party of the politicians.

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Let’s rewind to 2009:

Democrats have gotten cocky. They have come to feel invulnerable and complacent, convinced that their constituents’ intense dislike of Republican policies at the national level has given them a free hand to do as they wish, without consequence or backlash.

Ethical missteps, bad judgment, failure to govern — they believe that none of it matters as long as those magic words “George W. Bush” retain the power to distract and anger voters.

Once politicians feel themselves unaccountable, there’s no telling what they might do.

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OK Politi Cal …. Please tell us all the good things that happened for Georgia while Sonny was in charge….Please hold off on the “Rain Prayer Meeting”….cause I don’t think the rain came because of that !

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jm 9:26

The only Republican plan I’m aware of was Sen Ryan’s, and he’s not a Tea Party elected official.

Tea Partiers backed and won election of a significant number of Congressmen. They’ve been at odds not just with Pres Obama, but with Spkr Boehner.

They’re good at saying ‘no.’ Not so good at giving specifics.

Kinda like Michelle Bachmann.

It just indicates to me they are not ready, have not matured enough, to take the reins of power in a true leadership role.

PaddyO

“Paul – YOU REALIZE that Texas VOTES every year whether or NOT to remain in the union, no? Texas was previously an independent country, so secession there is not so far fetched.”

I do? My fellow Texans do?

What ballot initiative was that I’ve been marking all these years?

And WHERE did you come by this fact?

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Isn’t the difference really the GOP always seem to want to mix Religion and politics, along with “Moral Judgement ” ?

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USinUK

What I’m saying is the CURRENT Georgia flag looks almost exactly like the first national flag of the confederacy.

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Amazing that the future can be predicted if different things happened, wow.

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Adam – Did I say there weren’t benefits to government? I don’t remember saying that, and I went back and read what I did say, and couldn’t find it. Maybe you can translate what I said so that I can understand it? Wait, no I said it, so I should know what I meant. Maybe not though?

Anyway, having a military, currency, and the ability to buy things from other states, as well as local and state police and everything aren’t exactly what I was driving at. I’m talking about a government that has grown so “powerful” (in their own minds) that they decide they have the right to tell you what products and services you have to buy, what property you are allowed to own, what you are allowed to do on that property, ect. Where does it end? Are we going to wake up in a few years with the Congress passing a law that says what tv stations we’re allowed to watch, and how we’re allowed to dress when we leave the house? I’m simply stating that maybe, just maybe, the people in government should try reading the Constitution, and understanding it, and then following it without trying to stretch it until they are able (in their minds) to have it cover what they want it to cover.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

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Yes I am moving to another state for many reasons. Of course I will not miss the incompetence of the City of Atlanta officials and the State guys and gals are worse. I blame the voters for being so tolerant of a bunch of losers. They deserve those that they elect.

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Off topic, but if you’ve ever asked yourself, “hey, self–

“what kind of a jerk would be joyful at the prospect of stock prices being depressed for decades, potentially making life miserable for millions of Americans who scrimped and saved in order to supplement their retirement plans that had been whacked coming and going?

(where the “coming” would be due to defined benefits being pulled out from under them a coupla decades back, and the “going” would be from this “shared sacrifice” Super-Congress crap that will probably hinge upon Americans making do with less of a SS benefit than they’d planned in order to provide continued tax breaks to billionaires)–

“…to the point of posting a little smiley-face next to the link to that story?”

Ever ask yourself that? Well, you’ll find the answer @ 8.46.

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“…genuine repubs…”

Must be the Georgia state version of the ten year too late, sudden realization by the party faithful that GWB (and gang) was no conservative and not a “genuine repub”, huh?…

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Wow the things Paul does not know about Texas. Hey sport, you should move there sometime to learn something…. oh wait.

When someone discovers that both Texas and California were part of Mexico in the past, there will be hell to pay. The evidence is in the basement of the Alamo.

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Peter

Your original post was “The Republican’s came up with “Cost Plus Contracts”.”

I asked “So now the career federal acquisition employees are identified by one political party?”

To which you responded “Perhaps you have not been paying attention…….that was directly from Dick Cheney’s office……. the concept of paying too much for lesser work…”

So of course I asked ‘which office?” and gave a brief history of cost-plus contract and directed you to the Federal Acquisition Regulations.

And now your grand response is about the Iraq War?

I’m going to a football game this weekend. I sure hope they don’t move the goalposts as much as you do.

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jm,

Since your back after a one-two minute leave, would you like to share all the “liberal lies” you exposed?

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Adam – on leadership – STIMULUS being aimed at shovel ready projects – which any local government official with 2 years of experience could tell you DO NOT EXIST – is that your notion of a well seasoned, expert decision on how to blow 750 billion? or, were you not addressing GOOD leadership?

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“Leading from behind”.

The newest entry in the ever-growing tome of Republican bumper sticker-speak and empty sloganeering…

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(ir)Rational: they decide they have the right to tell you what products and services you have to buy, what property you are allowed to own, what you are allowed to do on that property, ect.

Can you point to federal laws that focus on this? Because most of the laws I know of that reflect this kind of mentality are municipal.

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Jay @9:43 am MPercy, I agree with you on that.

Well, then why this article? It surely wasn’t written from the perspective I just espoused and with which you just agreed.

I appreciate that your covering local issues in this case, but your slant was “Republicans are bad, see how they’re being unethical!” rather than “Unethical politicians are bad, and some local politicians are being unethical.” The fact that they are Rs is immaterial, really, as I hope (naively perhaps) that you would be saying the same reasonable things if all of the above had Ds behind their names. I don’t recall that to be the case, though, but my attention wasn’t really focused on what you were writing about back in Roy Barnes or Zell Miller (and I didn’t live in Georgia before those guys) so *maybe* you were.

I’m sure if we wait awhile, we’ll have some state Ds do something stupid as above and we’ll get a chance to see how you handle that.

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Paddy O: Adam – on leadership – STIMULUS being aimed at shovel ready projects – which any local government official with 2 years of experience could tell you DO NOT EXIST – is that your notion of a well seasoned, expert decision on how to blow 750 billion?

1) The amount spent on jobs was far less than 750 billion from the stimulus package
2) The stimulus isn’t the ONLY thing Obama has done to help job creation
3) I never said anything about “shovel ready”

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Left wing management 9:50 am MPercy: “Surely, Jay, you’re not trying to imply that *only* Republicans have “Ethical missteps, bad judgment, failure to govern”? A host of recent counter-examples says otherwise.” The whole point is that the notion of bipartisanship is just a joke, a clever fiction that is used to manipulate the masses, who believe (especially the further South of the Mason Dixon line you go) that there’s a substantive difference between Democrat and Republican.

I’m not espousing any bipartisanship. I’ve been voting straight L for many years now, so my horse is not hitched to either Rs or Ds wagon. My point, which Jay agreed with, is that we all (in all parties) should expect all politicians (regardless of their party) to abide by high ethical standards.

That is, this issues is not both an R and D thing (bipartisan) it’s neither R nor D should be be given a pass.

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Republicans will stay in power in GA as long as education is in such sorry shape in this state. Why do you think Republicans have been trying for so long to cut funds for education? Ignorance guarantees their base will flourish. The irony is that these ignorant southern goobers are the very people hurt by Republican policies. Now, that’s rich.

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Pat Delany stepped down from the state Assembly this month and said he wouldn’t seek a full term in November because of his wife’s missive to Lewis’ campaign

That’s gotta make for some awkward moments at the dinner table.

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Joe C00L, but, but ,but, but, but…….George Wallace was a Democrat and Honest Abe a Republican!

Isn’t that proof positive?

LOL…

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Hey Paul….Sounds like you are OK with Bilking the US Treasury…….and football seems to be the reason I guess.

Makes sense..no wonder the Iraq War ran over the cost projected.

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Adam,

“A positive GDP growth of 3.x% is “Driving our economy into the ground.” Got it.”

Where in the world are you getting the data saying that we have 3% GDP growth?

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YUP..let’s make up a WAR and Bilk the Treasury…..sounds good doesn’t it !

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I can remember when it was Democrats under another Tom Murphy that acted exactly the same way in Georgia. In fact, we now have a pretemd president in the white house who is aacting like a dictator making up his own laws. I’ll worry about Republicans when Jay worries about King Obama.

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Hey Paul…… in response to this……Federal bank regulators sued 17 former directors and officers of Silverton Bank on Monday, accusing the officials of gross negligence and corporate waste in the biggest bank failure in Georgia history.

So was the Silverton Bank run by Republican’s or Democrat’s ?

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Bashing – Republispeak for exposing criminal negligence and malfeasance.

Damn the facts! Full speed ahead! ~David Farragut VI (Ga – R)

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Peter

You assume incorrectly.

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Ok Paul…. then help me out please !

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Bosch – whether it happens all the time or not (and there are constantly stories in the news about this endangered species or whatever causing people to not be able to use their land), the fact that it happens at all is egregious and should be cause for concern. I may sound like a conspiracy theorist when I say this, but I look at what the government has done and worry about what they might decide they are able to do next.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

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Bosch – I assumed it was only 25%, it is widely reported that the STIMULUS cost a trillion. However, you avoided the subject quite nicely. Thank you.

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Well it seems guys went into battle with out the proper equipment…so what did that non bidding do to help them out ?

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Adam – OBAMA’S stimulus, which he sponsored, DID say something about ‘SHOVEL READY”. The fact that he was ignorant of the profound LACK of that type of project indicates how much of a novice he was. THAT WAS BAD, HORRIFIC LEADERSHIP.

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Bookman acts as if any corruption or ethical lapses started 10 years ago when the Republicans took over control of the state after 140 years of Democratic rule. Neither group is innocent – even today. Yet Bookman writes as if it is one-sided corruption. Well, Jay, I have news for you – both sides are corrupt and look out for themselves. Your type of writing only compounds the problem. Speak the truth: both parties are selfish and are spending this country in to major trouble by buying power and votes. Meanwhile, we have “leaders” like Waters and Biden calling normal citizens who have the guts to stand up for this nation “terrorists,” “thugs,” and telling us we can “go straight to hell.” Now, there is some civil discourse for you. Meanwhile, Obama shoots out of a sand bunker while Rome burns…

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“the fact that it happens at all is egregious and should be cause for concern”

I doubt the accuracy of it happening enough for such an outrage against the policy itself and to bring such condemnation against an entire Federal agency.

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Peter

As I wrote years ago, it’s not a Republican or Democratic issue. It’s more the nature of the federal bureaucracy.

As far as body armor and up-armored Humvees, you may be more on point to point fingers to career military officers, general officer level, as well as their career civilian equivalent, who put such items at a low priority and funded other programs instead.

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They are getting cocky because everyone is realizing they are right. Today is Obama the war monger’s (Lybia for example) worst approval index. See Below:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

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Paul……..Baloney to your comment…the Cost Plus Contracts were written via Cheney’s office….. for the Iraq War.

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I get it Jay… All Republicans are bad and all Democrats are good. Guess you forgot about some of the shenanigans from when Barnes, Murphy and crew were in charge?

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Paddy O: OBAMA’S stimulus, which he sponsored, DID say something about ‘SHOVEL READY”.

Please cite the part of the bill that said this. Otherwise, you’re referring to something a politician said, and ignoring the fact that I was not focused on how the jobs were PRESENTED, but how they were IMPLEMENTED.

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“Bush mishandled the Katrina mess through FEMA”

Wrong. Katrina was mishandled by the local New Orleans and State of Louisiana governments.

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Bosch: And I was struck at how hypocritical that is when you have mostly GOP politicians (and political movements like the Tea Party) who want to integrate Christian ideals into existing policy and law.

I was an early TEA party activist, back when Bush was passing TARP and Obama was planning the stimulus and Obamacare was on the horizon (my first offical TEA party event was the April 15th, 2008 protest at the state capital, but my own blogging on these issues started before the meltdown and TARP). At the time, I did not notice any religious element to the TEA party. However, that has changed as the religious right, who may otherwise naturally align with a small-government movement began to promote their other agendas alongside or even above the TEA party’s basic small-government mantra. This hijacking saddens me and means they have lost my more fervent support, and forces me to me more careful in my support.

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Peter

“.no answer to the original question, so you decide that Alice in Wonder land is a good escape ? ?”

No, you just strike me as one of those bloggers who hates all things Republican and thinks Dick Cheney had unlimited power to wreak whatever havoc he wanted for financial gain for himself and his buddies.

There’s no rational discussion in such cases. Your skipping about from cost-plus to Iraq to Georgia banks to Enron is evidence you won’t stay on topic.

This reminds me of Bill O Reilly last night. He had on Ben Stein and Mike Farrell. O Reilly said how higher tax rates would kill the economy, both guests refuted with historical examples (their point was, their is no correlation between economic growth and marginal tax rates).

O Reilly just cut the discussion and said “I don’t believe it.” Stein said “fine, give me an example” and O’Reilly changed the subject again.

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I lean Democrat, but have to say I agree with you. And the sad thing is, you have only covered the things that have happened so far this year. To say the Georgia Democrat Party in power has been a disappointment is a wild understatement.

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“I’ll worry about Republicans when…” hell freezes over.

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Morning, Bosch

SoCom isn’t here. Do you have the magic calendar handy? What am I supposed to be today? I feel conflicted……

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American corporations are absolutely ROLLING in cash right now. It’s almost impossible to overestimate how cash-drunk they are right now.

Corporations are sitting on enough cash to put every single unemployed American back to work for years on end. Which means the following:

Our problem is not economic, it’s political and ideological.

The fact that not a single major politician in this country with a D or a R by their name is proposing a works program right now speaks volumes about the crisis of political imagination that we face.

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MPercy,

“This hijacking saddens me and means they have lost my more fervent support, and forces me to me more careful in my support”

I think it’s safe to say that most of us would have problems with some of handlings in the Federal government, and would like to see a more efficient system. To blame it on one person, administration, or party is complete ignorance or just plain bigotry in the sense that the person is unwilling to see fault in themselves or their own beliefs.

I often said that I would be a TP, but I feel that what I want the feds to cut spending on and what a majority of self identified TPs wanted would be totally different.

It’s really just the never ending idea of what you agree with, you want continued spending, and what you don’t, you want cut. Problem is, that issue will never be resolved (IMHO).

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DawgDad

August 23rd, 2011
10:24 am

“Perhaps if the Democrats weren’t race-baiting socialists”

DawgDad, review the Pat Delany story a page back.

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“Wrong. Katrina was mishandled by the local New Orleans and State of Louisiana governments.”

Wrong. Katrina was mishandled by the local New Orleans and State of Louisiana governments AND FEMA/Bush administration.

After being roundly criticized in a slew of media, congressional and government reports, the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s internal watchdog Friday returned its own verdict on the handling of Hurricane Katrina: The criticism against FEMA is largely deserved.

It culminates with 38 recommendations to FEMA’s director and to the agency’s parent organization, the Department of Homeland Security.

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Peter 10:25

That’s progress, of a sort -

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“Do you have the magic calendar handy? What am I supposed to be today?”

Sure Paul, let me check.

[sound of Muzak playing in background as Bosch checks magic calendar….}

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Oh, here it is….yes, today, Paul, you are supposed to be an ass hole.

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JOE, as long as he is NEVER allowed to song the national anthem in public again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMHJxSYhrS0

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Adam

Is it as much fun when you give them fair warning?

And Peter, those FEMA trailers are still being recycled for sale. I don’t think the Obama administration is knowingly trying to make people ill. It’s just another one of those “the career bureaucrats go on their merry way regardless of the party affiliation of the current administration.”

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Paul as an Independent…….I am open to god ideas from either side, and frankly, I have very little to choose from in either party currently.

I am not just about basing Republican’s, as the Democrat’s have allot of blame to bear as well.

I do think the country’s current financial disaster was created during the Bush Administration……lack of over sight, and a real lack of concern for the typical American.

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Jay: “The errors of Democrats 10 years ago justifies GOP misbehavior today?”

No, they don’t. But after a century of Democratic control of the state, one is left to wonder just how in the world Republicans managed to gain control at all? I mean, the way you talk, if only Democrats were in charge again life would be all unicorns and puppies. The election of Rs at all signified that Ds were not living up to the expectations of the state’s population somehow. If Rs similarly lose that status, they will be shifted back to being the minority party. Somehow I doubt that either way it will have any real impact on actually making the state a better place (100 years of Democratic control and our schools were, what 49th?).

In any large enough body (e.s, statehouse) there will be some bad actors, no matter who is in control. We should focus on them and getting them out, regardless of party affiliation.

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Paul one can really still purchase the original cancer causing FEMA Trailers ?

I did not know that…..can you point me in the direction, so I can see that for myself ?

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Adam,

I’m suprised that you know so much about the Katrina situation, agree with my statement about the local government mishandling the situation…yet in your original post, you place all of the blame solely on Bush. Why?

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kayaker 71: “Liberals have a short attention span when it comes to reality. Bwarney Fwank has been elected gazillions of times, Maxine Waters doesn’t show any sign of being defeated anytime soon”

Implication being that corruption on the part of the political opponents of those you cite is a-okay?

By the way, what’s a “liberal” exactly? Just dying to know. Enlighten me, please!

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(ir)Rational: I can wait for more cites. A SCOTUS ruling is definitely powerful evidence and I will read carefully and do more research on it.

However, your citing of Obama Cares and using the slippery slope argument is going overboard. If everything snowballed as you suggested every time something like this happened then we would be in a MUCH worse situation now and feel like we are in an Orwell novel.

But aside from the hyperbole, that law has been constitutionally challenged and the SCOTUS will hear it and we’ll see how they rule on that particular aspect of the law, the individual mandate. I can’t say I like the idea of being forced to buy insurance. I would much prefer to pay taxes to get health care for all, rather than subsidize private health insurance companies through the “not a tax” tax known as the individual mandate. Still, if I or others cannot afford it, there are avenues to take care of that. It’s a big mess and could be much simpler if we’d all agree that health care is something we all need and all should pay small amounts of taxes for.

That is all about the SPECIFIC issue. But you are asserting that this means the government WILL do it to anyone at any time. The fact is that no law exists in implementation right now that forces you to buy ANY goods or services, nor can a Congress that can’t agree to anything suddenly agree to force you to buy something else.

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“There is too much legislation taking away my rights as an individual and not enough protecting them.”

What rights have you had taken away irrational? I mean, recently.

“and bar me from doing things on my property”

There are lots of groups that do this, Homeowners Associations for one.

And what specifically have you been banned from doing on your own property? Curious minds would like to know.

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Talking Head: You’ll have to reread. I didn’t say that ONLY Bush was responsible, I laid out the reasons he was rightly criticized, and then pointed out that situation and the oil leak are not equivalent.

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Paddy O: “left wing – you have drank about a reservoir worth of liberal kool aid. Keep pushing that socialism angle, it is sure to eliminate ALL the wealthy at some point.”

I don’t want to “eliminate the wealthy”. What I want is to return that wealth to those who actually produce it.

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What do you expect from a bunch of hicks who run and vote against their interest, the sad thing is these idiots especially south Georgia were voting like this before Obama took office, rep dont care care about Georgia, as long as they keep voting the good old boys in the the same results will continue to happen.
I mean you have people living in trailors in some part of Ga ponding their chest pround to be a poor Rep, these idiots have no healthcare, unemployed,, while Sonny and Deal has raked them under the coals.

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So, maybe you or Bosch or Jay or anyone can answer that question for me. Where does it stop? How do we make it stop?

(ir)Rational, MPercy has made the point that libertarian/tea party crowd allow people on board who trample the crap out of other people’s rights, as long as it’s not THEIR rights to line THEIR pocketbook, they show little concern.

Complaining you can’t dump toxic waste on your property while the Republicans regulate what a doctor can and can not say to a patient is massive hypocrisy.

Maybe we “make it stop” by dropping the pretense these groups are concerned about big gub’ment. They’re only concerned about big gub’mint when it reaches into their lives, and they’re all too happy using government to achieve their own wants.

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Peter

I’ve a daughter lives in Louisiana. Been looking for a trailer. Found a few on some lots. Really decent prices. Did some checking, found out where they originated. Dealers said “this is where we got them but all that gas stuff was overblown and FEMA said these were safe.”

Can I point you to the dealer(s)? No. Is it anecdotal? Yes. But given how desperate she was to have a place of her own, had the money to make it happen, and how good the prices were, yet she walked away from the deal, I’ve no reason to doubt what she told me.

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getalife,

what was the deficit for FY07? 160 billion

what was the deficit for FY11? 1.3 trillion

which party took over Congress in the 2006 elections? Democrats

which government body is responsible for spending? Congress

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Paddy O: Adam – your time line on the gulf spill is horrendously inaccurate.

No, it isn’t. The Coast Guard went out there immediately to help.

Also, i did not attempt to meet your liberal high threshold of equivalency – however, they are comparative. The drill platform, which was authorized for operation by the Obama admin, burned for at least 3 days with very, very, very little press coverage.

Two inaccuracies. First, the two are not comparative. One is a completely man-made disaster, and the other was a natural disaster. One involved need of evacuation and assistance by the federal government that was woefully inadequate, and the other involved no need of evacuation and was addressed by the federal government as quickly as was possible at the time given the size and scope of the man-made disaster. Second, I knew about the oil rig blowing up less than 12 hours after it happened due to press coverage, local, national, and yes, Facebook.

You notion of prudent is what? 3 months? In Katrina, the local & state government failed the first 48 hours (they & the inept citizens); after that frame, the federal government was slow.

The only mishandling on the government’s part was to go with the Republican idea that the corporation that CAUSED the disaster should also ADDRESS it, without any oversight. They tried the same methods tried in the Gulf of Mexico decades earlier, when ANOTHER oil well that wasn’t drilling as deep blew up and all of those methods failed then too. The idea that the government, and Obama, was responsible for the actions of those in BP who allowed the rig to blow up, and THEN responsible for any cleanup efforts, is intellectually dishonest. The government did finally, in the end, step in and take the lead in approving any efforts to clean up the leak and cap it. Skimmers were out there pretty quickly making sure that as little oil as possible reached the shores of the Gulf. Underwater plumes that existed made this difficult, and those were caused by the initial BP initiative of spraying the ocean with chemical dispersant.

You like to lay blame at Obama’s feet for this one, but all you can do is say “he didn’t act fast enough” when you didn’t even know all the facts. You also seem to think it would have made a difference if he had done something even faster. I agree. He should have ended the deregulation on oil rigs in the Gulf before this happened. Failing that, he acted as quickly and as prudently as was possible. Now, the federal agency that issues permits has a better plan, and they can get a spill of that magnitude capped within 20 days. That is still not good enough, and more needs to be done, but now there is a REAL plan for this kind of thing instead of a carbon copy plan issued to each oil company by a contract company.

Seriously, do you want me to go on? Really? Bring it.

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Paul,

Those things are really effective and smell nice too. I couldn’t exist without them.

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We know the state of Georgia is not loaded with intellectual heavyweights. These wannabe Boss Hogg
republicans are guided by low morals and misguided value systems. The only thing Georgia can attract is drug cartels and GOP politicians. Both seem to be cut from the same piece of wood. Who voluntarily deals with them besides other criminals ?

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If the politicians have no accountability then the job of accountability the voters of Georgia.

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kayaker 71: “Think that a Repub could win a mayorial slot in Chicago?”

One just did. Effectively.

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GLL: So please be clear

OK, here’s clear: You are wrong that the economy has been driven into the ground right now, regardless of who is to blame for it. It is growing positively. That’s pretty clear.

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Peter: My feelings on the disaster are multi-faceted. It brings a whole host of issues being handled badly, on the local, state, and federal level, as well as illustrating that if you give companies an inch they WILL take a mile.

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Georgia is a poster child for failed Republican policies. Our bank failures lead the nation (as per the article), but we also have more people in prison per capita than any nation on earth. Filthy coal-burning plants, highest unemployment in the nation, among the lowest in education (as always)–the list goes on and on. Everything the Republicans touch goes not just wrong, but disastrously wrong. Yet, they continue to be elected. This leads me to conclude that Georgia votes Republican for other reasons.

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Aquagirl:

“They’re only concerned about big gub’mint when it reaches into their lives, and they’re all too happy using government to achieve their own wants.”

Let’s be fair. The Pekoe Heads are willing to step in and handle matters when there’s no gub’mint officers around to do it. Remember the young woman carrying a sign outside the Rand Paul event — a sign that the Pekoe Heads didn’t like? Remember how the guy wearing a “Don’t Tread On Me” button pushed her to the ground to help another man step on her head? They proved they don’t need gub’mint to tread on another US citizen’s Constitutional rights. They’re more than willing to take personal responsibility for being community thugs and bullies.

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Adam

The world’s largest skimmers were offered by several different governments to help contain the oil spill, but the Obama administration took weeks to just return their emails offering the help. Instead, they required BP to “flock” the pollution, causing it to sink to the bottom of the ocean to keep the oil from washing ashore. After locals, (not environmental groups) had started to dive down and see ow the oil was coating the bottom, then the Obama administration began to require BP to use a flocking agent that was not toxic, but of course the actual oil was toxic as hell.

I personally traveled to Grand Isle to videotape the beaches and even with all the press credentials, I was chased by the National Guard like I was a terrorist, while they allowed TV Sat trucks to set at specific places on the beach and only allowed even the network shooters access to only small section of the beach where there was little pollution. Is that a government that you are proud of?

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Hey, I got a question…since nothing that Republicans typically do seems to p-off their constituents enough to turn ‘em out of office around here (other than not being conservative enough) – I mean, when you’re red, you’re red, right? How about if we came up with one that, under whatever passes for ‘normal’ circumstances, would be considered as most heinous and worthy of, virtual, banishment to an entire political party for having done it – namely, overtly stealing an election, or elections as the case may be. Fact is there is evidence a-plenty that the ‘02 Governor’s and Senate races here were ‘manipulated’ by the ‘Diebold Diode’…the ‘00 Presidential race was ‘won’ by geedubyabush through voter suppression and out-right fraud in Florida – along with a right-wing ‘Supreme’ Court – and we now know that Ohio was also ’stolen’ through the use of Diebold machines in the ‘04 Prez race that gave us another four years of bush, and the man behind the cretin, cheney. What I’m asking is that if there were incontrovertible evidence that these things took place…if the people responsible were to admit to it (probably to save their hides from some other kind of crime or to sell books when the ‘hush money’ runs out)…what would the reaction be from the ‘Right’? Would you guys be ’shocked, shocked, to hear that election fraud was going on around here?’…Would you be sickened to know that your leaders had rigged our fundamental right to vote and be willing to do something about it? My bet is that you would simply say – to paraphrase Huey Long (yeah, I know a Democrat, but one that got his in the end, or head, I don’t recall which) – ‘Sure, they stole it but they stole it for us’?

Until the people that vote Republicans into office around here can, finally, be repulsed by the kind of crap that their party engages in (like intentionally tanking the economy to make sure Obama is beatable in ‘12), we’re doomed to have this bunch running the show for the foreseeable future.

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Peter

Yeah, and given her current living arrangements, she’d trade just about anything to have a place of her own.

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Jay 10:23 – feel like you’re playing “whack a mole”? I know the feeling.

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Bosch @10:30 am

I usually disagree with you, and don’t know Paul (haven’t been her eon Jay’s for awhile), but that was a good one. I liked the muzak especially.

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More accomplishments from the Obama administration:

POLL: OBAMA APPROVAL INDEX HITS LOWEST EVER…

New home sales on pace for worst year ever…

NATIONAL DEBT RISES BY $3 MILLION EACH MINUTE…

Obama sets record: $4,247,000,000,000 debt in just 945 days…

$500,000 federal stimulus grant created 1.72 jobs…

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GLL: While you are technically correct that there was a delay in accepting foreign aid, it wasn’t as bad as the talking point would portray: http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/jun/16/george-lemieux/white-house-refused-international-oil-spill-aid-fl/
This may not be the best link to show you what I mean, but my point is that foreign aid was accepted, even if bureaucratic mess made it have delays.

As to your freedom of the press thing, well I think that was wrong, but also not at all what I was talking about. That was not right, and not something that should be tolerated. It also was common. They didn’t want anyone getting close at all for any reason, least of all documenting the event. So yes, wrong there. But that does not negate that this situation is NOT Obama’s “fault,” and does not negate that the situation is not equivalent to Katrina.

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…evidence a-plenty that the ‘02 Governor’s and Senate races here were ‘manipulated’ by the ‘Diebold Diode’…

…Ohio was also ’stolen’ through the use of Diebold machines in the ‘04 Prez race…

…intentionally tanking the economy…

Got Links? This would make interesting reading.

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okay, got a boatload of work (trying to split time between here and work is why I was up at 0430 to work yesterday and I don’t want a repeat tomorrow).

Later -

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Dems were in controll of all spending from Jan 07-Jan11

There it goes again! NO THEY WEREN’T!

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“And what specifically have you been banned from doing on your own property? Curious minds would like to know”

Try asking what he thinks his NEIGHBOR should be allowed to do on THEIR own property.

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GLL: So the incredibly unstable stock market and sustained unemployment are good signs? Declining home sales is good news?

No, but those are also not reliable metrics that determine all economic growth.

For one thing, the UI number will go down rapidly once the Agree-To-Nothing Congress doesn’t extend UI. Will the economy immediately become even better because that number went down? no. Will the economy become immediately better if we have day-to-day increases in the Dow? no.

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WAAAAAAA!WAAAAAAA!WAAAAAAAAAA! Bookman,s view.Go Tea Party.

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sim

A majority of Georgia Republican voters are just dirt-road dumb and will vote for whoever is best at brainwashing and propaganda. We’re not in last place for nothing. We work at it!!!!

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Adam

I need to get back to work. It’s funny that we are discussing this because I am having a hard time with a client that is a small city government that is actually pretty well ran, but after dealing with private business all these years, it is like wading through knee deep mud to get things done. It’s great that they have a big budget, but I’m thinking that I will be making about 5 bucks an hour after spending all this time with meeting after meeting and all these proposals.

Have a good one.

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Matti’s Bowel Movement

Are you calling yourself a turd?

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Rasmussen is brutal to Bozo today. Only 19% strongly approve of him…… 45% strongly disapprove, a difference of -26. In Bush’s worst times, his strongly disapproval was only in the low 30s. Only 26% approve of the way he is handling our economy. Foreclosures at an all time high. Unemployment still more than 9%, more like 14 or 15% if you are realistic. Maybe he can find some kind of solution a Maaatha’s Vineyard.

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Ha, ha…more GOP history lessons…

http://www.thenation.com/article/162875/rewrite-sugarcoat-ignore-8-ways-conservatives-misremember-american-history

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I see Normal enjoys a good fiction tale.

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kayaker 71: “Rham Emmanuel is a Republican?”

Probably somewhere comfortably to the right of Richard Nixon or Dwight Eisenhower. As I said above, the two parties in America today are just two faces of the same coin of Big Business. Emmanuel is a classic example, the cynical mastermind behind Obama’s attempted triangulation who hated the idea of health care reform and loved cozying up to his buddies in banking and high finance. Big money is in his bones.

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The man who questions opinion is wise; the man who quarrels with fact is a fool — Frank A. Garbutt

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carlosgvv

A tid-bit for your info

http://www.suntimes.com/opinions/letters/7036422-474/perry-wants-to-secede–and-be-president.htm

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- I am for a party that supports public education in Georgia because it knows that education will enlighten all of Georgia’s young. It, also, knows that placing a priority on education will elevate the citizens overall because the public’s values will change toward common good interests, and not simply self-interest.

- I am for a party that looks at the great need by so many Georgians for dental care in Woodstock, and asks how can this be in Georgia. That party would want medical attention for all of Georgia’s citizens through government to ensure that all have needed care, and not simply be given care haphazardly through churches, here and there. That party would believe in the value of government to serve the common good medically.

- I am for a party that can foresee a positive coalition of business interests and public government interests to serve both interests fairly and equitably, and it would not be a party that supports condemnation of all government.

- I am for a party that seeks a social safety net for its elderly, and formerly productive citizens, simply because it is the right thing to do, and not simply because its members know that they, too, will be elderly one day.

- In other words, I want a party that knows the value of service more than it values power. Call that party by any name you choose. “A rose by any other name is still a rose.”

- A party that supports those values will have less corruption within its membership than a party that has grown to value power and self-interests, above all. And, that is because the values of that party will emphasize looking outward to the common good, and not simply inward toward self-interests.

And maybe, just maybe, that party would also help our overall economy grow because it would not be programmed to cut, cut, cut, thus, programmed to pull inward economically more and more, instead of growing outward in ideas that foster growth and development.

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Sorry Mike… with the education here in Georgia…….the GOP is probably dumber.

But I thought most poor people vote Democrat?? Something isn’t adding up, LOL!!

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Hey MIke…….Gotta respect Democrats though, they’re like Chicago Cubs fans, no matter how bad their team is, no matter how terrible they are doing, in their eyes they are the best and they don’t make any mistakes.

I imagine you didn’t like the Bush years then ?

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Jay,

As ususal, you only present one side of the story which not only misleads those reading it, but convinces yourself of a false reality.

There’s no doubt federal spending has exploded in recent years. In fiscal 2007, the last year before things went haywire, the government took in $2.568 trillion in revenues and spent $2.728 trillion, for a deficit of $160 billion. In 2011, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, the government will take in $2.230 trillion and spend $3.629 trillion, for a deficit of $1.399 trillion.

That’s an increase of $901 billion in spending and a decrease of $338 billion in revenue in a very short time.

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“MPercy has made the point that libertarian/tea party crowd allow people on board who trample the crap out of other people’s rights, as long as it’s not THEIR rights to line THEIR pocketbook, they show little concern.”

Woah now, I said that some people are entering the TEA party movement who want to do that, which is detracting from that movements original ideals. Since there is no “party” really, there’s nothing stopping them from hijacking the movement. It’s not a matter of allowing them to trample anyone’s rights. And libertarians surely are not supportive of anyone trampling anyone’s rights.

Most importantly, personally, is I don’t recall ever advocating trampling anyone rights. So don’t try to pin that on me.

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Mary Elizabeth,

Some has to pay for all of that.

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Corruption uber alles in Georgia’s right wing incumbency protection racket…

Last Thursday, the House of Representatives approved new maps as part of the reapportionment and redistricting process. Unfortunately, the majority party chose to play partisan politics with this process rather than draw maps that are fair for all Georgians. The proposed maps attempt to purge white Democrats, from the House of Representatives and cynically re-segregate Georgia along political lines by creating an all-white Republican Party and an all-black Democratic Party. The maps also attempt to create a Republican super-majority in both the House and Senate. This means that the majority party would not need a single Democratic vote to pass Constitutional amendments that would impact the entire State. The map eliminates choices for Georgia voters and does harm to Georgia by silencing the viewpoints of millions of voters.

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WOODSTOCK MIKE

The Georgia “poor” and the Georgia “dirt-road dumb” are mainly two seperate groups.

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GLL: I am happy we found something to agree on.

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At some point we need to ens the mess maker party like the whig party.

That time is now.

They are listening to you because they are scared of losing their jobs,

What do you want.

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DawgDad – “Doing what exactly”

What they could and should do is stop piling more and more work on their employees and start hiring to make the workloads more equitible. Of course, they won’t do this since they know their current workers won’t dare quit no matter how much work they are given. They, the employees, will work as much unpaid overtime as necessary to keep their jobs and their bosses will pocket all that cash.

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The Associated Press is reporting that GOP legislators are opposing the extension of a payroll tax cut that will expire on Jan. 1. The clear, unavoidable message: Americans workers should pay more taxes, while the rich should pay less.
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The conundrum: Dems/Obama were all about revenue raising during the “default show”. Here,they say that leaving this money in the hands of workers is better for the economy. So, why not cut taxes as a way to generate economic activity? Sounds like class warfare trumping solutions.

I refuse to accept your premise about “the clear, unavoidable message”.

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Mary Elizabeth: I’m still laughing. You’re mixing up politics and religion, and looking to the State for spiritual satisfaction is going to be very disappointing for you, regardless.

I don’t get your reference to Woodstock and dental care. Just because a bunch of people lined up for free care doesn’t mean they didn’t have the wherewithall to provide for themselves. It’s about choices, personal, individual choices. I can get a free bite to eat (a food sample) at the store almost any day. Doesn’t mean I need food stamps.

Spending, spending, spending (in lieu of cut, cut, cut) is NOT going to help our economy grow. If you think it is, just how do you explain $14 trillion in national debt, $4.6 trillion increase under Obama (most in history), and the current fastest pace ever of increase in the national debt? Logic and facts are not on your side. We’ve spent our way into an economic crisis.

And, please show me a party (Tea Party included) that does NOT support public education? Even the Tea Party people who advocate privatizing public education STILL SUPPORT public education, and under any circustances “education of the public”. Of course, our current President sends HIS kids to a private school.

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Funny how the cons attack the the MLK family for corruption but give their party a free pass.

Right kay?

You have no right to say anything about corruption.

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getalife,

One of Tucker’s best threads. She had moments of brilliance.

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Jay 11:24 – don’t worry. Tax increase loving Democrats already have that covered starting at the end of next year. Oh, and for real historical data

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/downchart_gr.php?year=1800_2015&view=1&expand=&units=p&log=linear&fy=fy12&chart=F0-fed&bar=0&stack=1&size=1280_885&title=&state=US&color=c&local=s&show=

Yeah, historically 18-20%. Only post 1950. And only if you believe in Unicorns, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Clause. (note that most periods range from 16.5% to 19%, the rest are outliers.)

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Jed: So, why not cut taxes as a way to generate economic activity? Sounds like class warfare trumping solutions.

That’s exactly what a temporary payroll tax cut is. It gives the workers extra money to put back into the economy, and only hits/helps those making less than 106k. Tax cuts that affect ONLY those who will immediately spend the money, rather than save it, are the ones that stimulate the economy and help create jobs. Cutting taxes on businesses, whether small or large, does not do that. Cutting taxes on a rich person’s personal salary does not do that.

Just to be clear: Class warfare is to create the assumption that the poor should pay MORE, and/or the rich and/or businesses should pay LESS, not the other way around.

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jm: Yeah, historically 18-20%. Only post 1950. And only if you believe in Unicorns, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa Clause. (note that most periods range from 16.5% to 19%, the rest are outliers.)

So 14% isn’t a problem… why?

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And MPercy,

Sorry for the delay, kids needed help — pshaw…kids….needing help….from a parent…..

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I’d like to know how GA is going to pay back the near 700million they now owe the Feds for unemployment, What are they going to cut?

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Well, all this jabbering about a few thousand bucks here and there and not a word about how the guy that wrote “You Ain’t Nothin’ But a Hound Dog” has up and died. A fine, romantic song like that, and the guy is gone. And all people can talk about is how the fine Republicans down at the statehouse are getting a teeny bit uppity.

That song’s been running thru my head all morning. If I was a young buck again, I’d sing it to the first good-looking woman I see and sweep her off of her feet.

But no, this bunch just got to yammer about unimportant stuff. Anyhow, it’s lunch time. And now that I see the folks down at the statehouse have cleared the way for White folks to take Fulton County back, the beanie-weenies are going to taste extra good today.

So let Bookman be cryin’ all the time. He’s nothin’ but a hound dog.

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getalife,

No one has a lock on corruption. The GOP is just as complicit in corruption as the Democratic party. Always has been. We get nowhere with this he said, she said game we play every day. It really does nothing but satisfy our own egos and give us something to do. We still have basic differences that are important to air. But corruption?…… an age old consequence of having elected politicians, regardless of party.

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Bosch: It never ceases to amaze me that wingnuts make false assumptions based on non-evidence.

I dunno Bosch, that ceased to amaze me a long time ago.

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Kayaker — “And each of these elected Congressmen/women seem to think that they are pretty secure in their position. Like Daniel Inouye in Hawaii….. he’s been re-elected every time to the Senate since WWII.”

Well, actually since just before statehood, 1959 IIRC. And he’s a Senator, not a Congressman. The whole state votes for him.

Republicans can and do get elected to statewide offices out there, as well as Federal. Republican Charles Djou won the special election last year to fill a Congressional seat for a few months (he was unseated in the general election by a Democrat), and the recently-in-office Republican Governor, Linda Lingle, just finished her term last December (and was also replaced by a Democrat). Prior to her stint in the Governor’s mansion, Lingle was Mayor of Maui County (there’s not really much of a distinction between cities and counties in the Aloha State). So Republicans can and do get elected to significant office in Hawaii.

But don’t look up Frank Fasi, the longtime Mayor of Honolulu. His tale will just confuse you.

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Talking Head: So temporary increase on the wealthy, temporary decrease via payroll tax cut, including sensible waste cutting in the same deal, until we get our numbers back up to at least 16% revenue and more positive GDP growth, as well as taking a swipe at the spending percentage. Whaddya say?

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Kayaker 11:36

Mary Elizabeth,
Some has to pay for all of that.
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Kayaker, thanks for your comment. Addressing finance, as you should have, allows me to emphasize the last paragraph in my last post. Please reread that paragraph, if you will. It recommends ideas that will foster growth and development, and that growth and development, economically, will bring additional revenues.

Growing economically, as we did in the Clinton years, and in most other Democratic administrations, has fostered revenue growth. That is how the common good programs that I mentioned are paid for, as well as through our taxes that serve the common good. (And by not making the poor decision of the Bush tax cuts that ended up creating an increased deficitt.)

We have been programmed to think that we cannot both serve the common good and also pay for it. That is erroneous thinking. However, we do now, unfortunately, have to work on cuts to all spending (not just on entitlements), as well as on raising taxes and other means of gathering revenue, because of the hugh deficit we have accrued.

It appears that accruing that huge deficit has backfired on the American people.

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Adam – your “bring it” reminds of Bushes “bring it on”. YOU are grossly in error, due to your liberal addiction, that is was the FEDERAL governments job to evacuate citizens from New Orleans. This is patently false. If a government was responsible, it was either NO or Louisiana. Not comparative? Your objection was “this disaster is NOT comparable to this other disaster”. Seems to fall in the same ballpark. I assume you are saying the fire boats were coast guard dispatched? OK. Again, since you are a self appointed “expert”; please provide the timeline from platform ignition, sinking, to the well being capped off.

I guess Obama appointed the wrong fool to run the permit office, eh? Or, the wrong guy was in charge of the Coast Guard?

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“The conundrum: Dems/Obama were all about revenue raising during the “default show”. Here,they say that leaving this money in the hands of workers is better for the economy. So, why not cut taxes as a way to generate economic activity? Sounds like class warfare trumping solutions.

I refuse to accept your premise about “the clear, unavoidable message”.”

Yep, no matter how guilty they are and no matter how much proof you provide, they still defend themselves with BS.

Hey Einstein, this is why the GOP will get crushed next year.

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Jay,
You and your lib cohorts have finally convinced me, you are correct. I have seen the “error” of common sense and I now will support Obama in his quest to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country. Your propaganda has succeeded.

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That’s exactly what a temporary payroll tax cut is. It gives the workers extra money to put back into the economy, and only hits/helps those making less than 106k. Tax cuts that affect ONLY those who will immediately spend the money, rather than save it, are the ones that stimulate the economy and help create jobs.
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I fully understand the concept of a payroll tax cut. I refuse to accept the premise that only folks earning less than $106k spend money. However, if more liquid assets in the economy create activity, a point on which we agree, then why not infuse the economy with more, and not less?

I would submit that lower taxes and regulatory certainty do more to help create jobs than $600 bucks in someone’s wallet or a nominal rollback in the payroll tax.

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If you want to address our corruption problem, unite with the rest of Americans and do it.

If not , give it a rest .

You sound like hypocrites.

Now is the time.

Put up or shut up.

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getalife,

You seem to be in somewhat of a twit. I have just admitted to you, as any thinking person would, that corruption and underhanded politics occurs equally in both parties. That is not deflection, that is reality. What do you want?

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“getalife you really are a bit of a retard, you know?”

The Magic Calendar was RIGHT!! See Paul? Never misunderestimate the power of the Magic Calendar……

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“getalife you really are a bit of a retard, you know?”

I do know.

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The blaming both parties is deflection for your personal responsibility to address it in your own party.

You give your party a free pass, march lock step with gop corruption and blame both parties.

You fight against it in your party and the dems will get scared like they always do and stop theirs.

Get started and stop calling me a retard.

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I do know.

getalife, you crack me up sometimes.

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Talking Head: “The only true way to increase revenues is for the economy to start growing again. Having better than sub 3% GDP growth for starters…

Finding America’s next big production is the ticket out of this mess”

That’s crazy talk. That’s wild-eyed commie pinko talkin’ right there.

Guards! Guards! Have this person escorted to solitary for incitement!!

[sarc]

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AmVet,

We used to call Inouye the One Armed Bandit. Member of the 442nd, Medal of Honor winner. Never said that he wasn’t straight up. Just said that being a Democrat, he has a perpetual pass to his elected position.

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Have you ever heard a con say they will fight against gop corruption?

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“I wonder what he is doing with the over 300 new regulations he added just in July”

Ask Congress to repeal the bills they passed that intiated the need for the regulations?

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kayaker — Respectfully, one doesn’t “win” the Congressional Medal of Honor. It’s not a lottery or a bingo game.

My Drill Sergeant in boot camp imparted that nugget of knowledge to us while we were all in the front leaning rest position. According to DS Webb, that’s the best position for Privates to be in if you want them to effin’ learn something.

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Well, the Righties are strutting around here like the cock of the walk. Don’t forget, if your guy is elected he’s going to have the same problems to face.

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keep talking jay………and all your hit squad keep talking……….pretty soon with all the rhetoric coming from your side, these liberal talking boards will be the only place you have left to be heard…….i love libs and you are round-about proving why hussein is toast in 2012………coward

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And don’t be coming around saying that the Dems don’t have any bad eggs in their basket, we know better.

You might have a point….if the Republicans didn’t pile their bad eggs on top of the basket.

Jack Murphy and Greg Morris hold their Banking Committee memberships because other Republicans put them there. It’s not some group of nutty gerrymandered voters that make them secure. It’s guys like Chip “you know I can’t pay it back” Rogers.

Republicans PROMOTE their bad eggs, and protect them even when the rest of the world can’t stand the stench.

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getalife,

Short scenario…. Used to live in Enterprise, AL who was represented in Congress by a GOP Congressman named Terry Everett. Before Everett was elected to the Congress, he worked for Southern Bank who happened to have a lot of farm loans on peanut quota property. When Everett learned of a foreclosure, he snapped up the property for his own use. Accumulated about 3500 acres of quota property. After elected to Congress, Everett was named, you guessed it, Chairman of the Agricultural Committee. When the peanut quota stink got too strong, even for elected politicians, Everett negotiated a 3.5 billion dollar settlement to those who owned peanut quota land. His take?…… nearly 9M. Yeah, getalife, there are corrupt GOP politicians that are in it for what they can get. OK, my man, it’s your turn.

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Dang, how can you be cool if you forgot how to do the emoticon with the sunglasses…

is it….

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Once politicians feel themselves unaccountable, there’s no telling what they might do.

Good statement Jay . A good description of Obama and his wrecking crew.

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Uncle Jed: “Ask around. If you know some small business owners (that covers some sizable entities), ask them if they are comfortable with hiring right now. Many, if not most, setting political party alliance aside, will tell you that regulatory and taxation uncertainty, combined with not knowing where the Obamacare juggernaut will end up, have them unwilling to hire. ”

I’m just not buying it. Regardless of what these people are saying, the fact is that there is one primary reason they are not expaning/hiring: lack of consumer demand which is directly tied to sagging wages vis-a-vis productivity, not to mention consumer debt. There’s a confidence problem alright: a crisis of CONSUMER confidence.

So, are you saying the skyrocketing gap between corporate management earnings and worker wages (counting benefits, which are under attack on all sides) doesn’t bother you:? Why is that?

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I’m just not buying it. Regardless of what these people are saying, the fact is that there is one primary reason they are not expaning/hiring: lack of consumer demand which is directly tied to sagging wages vis-a-vis productivity, not to mention consumer debt. There’s a confidence problem alright: a crisis of CONSUMER confidence.

So, are you saying the skyrocketing gap between corporate management earnings and worker wages (counting benefits, which are under attack on all sides) doesn’t bother you:? Why is that?

Absolutely not in the majority of business which is in fact small and mid size. Confidence as to buying and hiring are the main drivers.

b/t/w I have been a frequent blogger that if you weren’t the founder of the company you should have a ceiling on your comp if you are a public company. But the gap you speak of plays no part in the decision making of the small to mid size company.

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“ask them if they are comfortable with hiring right now. Many, if not most, setting political party alliance aside, will tell you that regulatory and taxation uncertainty, combined with not knowing where the Obamacare juggernaut will end up, have them unwilling to hire.”

Total BS. They are not hiring because there is no DEMAND for their products or services. Why? Because most people don’t have money to spend on anything other than their bills.

The righties think they are the wizards of economics. They need to learn the ins and outs of Supply and Demand.

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It is obvious the righties have been brainwashed by their corporate owned GOP. For 10 years their low tax, trickle down, outsource our jobs economy has failed miserably.

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Well said mm.

They have no credibility on the economy or corruption.

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Supply and Demand

Supply side economics?

Somthing important is missing ain’t it.

Demand. Consumption.

It ain’t rocket science.

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WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm

Housing sales for 2011 are the worst numbers that have ever been recorded in history. For minorities the new home start numbers are even worse. Democratic response….

“It’s George Bush’s fault”
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Hard to argue with the truth!

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It amazes me Americans do not want to hold them accountable for a better future for their children.

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DawgDad,

“So, mm, you want Government to point a gun at my head and create DEMAND?”

That is the most ignorant post I’ve seen lately, although it does mirror the way righties try to fight logic with stupidity.

First of all, do you actually think that YOU being a republican makes you a job creator? LOL

Demand occurs when consumers have money in their pockets. Not when millionaires have money in their pockets. There are approximately 200,000 millionaires in this country. The rest of our population is struggling to make ends meet. The millionaires are sitting on mountains of cash. The rest of the population has no cash.

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Anybody on the left talking about Maxine Waters husband getting government loans to bail out his failed bank? How about Nancy Pelosi’s husband making millions off of government business? How about Obama getting his home for half price from a known criminal? How about Dick Durbin geting a sweetheart deal from Countrywide? How about the Clintons receiving special and illegal treatment on the White Water scandal? Remember Herman Talmadge and his magic coat? How about president Clinton firing the white house travel staff, some who had worked there for thirty years, so he could hire a political contrbutor? (Then after unjustly firing them had the IRS investigate them in an attempt to find a reason for the firing) How about Obama just this past Friday violating federal law for political gain? How about Clinton firing 2000 federal prosecutors to stall the investigation and prosecution of Dan Rostenkowski? What about Hilliary getting a 5 million dollar advance for a book that everyone knew wouldn’t sell? I could go on and on. But what’s the point. You have to actually be insane to believe one party is more corrupt than the other.

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MR,

Thanks for proving my point.

I am shocked, shocked I say you deflected blame to the dems.

So, what do you propose to stop corruption?

key and Paul can chime in on this one too.

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