Moammar Gadhafi, a longtime dictator and sponsor of the Lockerbie bombing and other acts of international terrorism, has finally lost his grip on power. Libyan rebels have taken the capitol city of Tripoli and are trying to capture Gadhafi, whose whereabouts are unknown. He chose to fight until the end and will now reap the consequences of that decision. Personally, I’d be surprised if he survives at the hands of those with a long, long list of grievances against him, many of a quite personal nature.
For that same reason, Bashar Assad must be shaking in his Syrian slippers. As the Guardian reports:
“The germs of Syria congratulate the rats of Libya,” read many a Tweet, referring to the terms used by each of the countries’ leaders for those fomenting unrest against the autocrats’ rule.
Others activists used the network to urge Assad to watch the news and realize he was next. The situation in Syria is less certain as the regime continues to crack down against almost exclusively unarmed protesters and without the appetite for military invention that helped push the Libyan rebels to victory.
But the impending end of Gadhafi’s rule – who came to power just a year before the Assad dynasty in Syria – has certainly bolstered morale among protesters.
It is also likely to rattle the regime in Damascus despite Assad’s assertions during a television interview last night that he is “not worried”.
While the assistance of NATO was no doubt invaluable to the Libyan rebels — a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama and others — this remains a victory by and for the Libyan people. Tens of thousands, and eventually hundreds of thousands, took up the struggle against a tyrannical government, gambling their lives by fighting to free themselves from repression, and for the moment at least they have won that gamble.
As a result, they have earned the right to determine what happens next. It’s important to note that this is not a coup in which one strongman, usually with military backing, emerges to topple his predecessor. This is also not a revolt controlled or led from outside the country’s borders, or an invasion such as that which removed Saddam Hussein. This is something different, a genuine movement, a rising up of the people. And that is cause for optimism as we turn to the obvious question of what comes next?
Nobody really knows. Through their military assistance, the United States, NATO and the United Nations have all earned credibility with the Libyan people. Additional non-military assistance will now be needed as the Libyans attempt to rebuild government and identify and elevate new leadership. Again, that must be their battle. Those outside Libya should offer help as requested and needed, but we have neither the resources nor the wisdom to impose a solution. The Libyans have to do it themselves.
Even with such assistance, it is all too plausible that this rebellion will end as most have in the Middle East, with another dictator or power elite emerging to replace Gadhafi. There are no guarantees. However, what we do know for certain is that Gadhafi, a murderous tyrant, is gone. That opens up possibilities for Libya that did not exist a year ago. And if that part of the world is ever to stabilize and join the modern world, this is how it must happen.
– Jay Bookman
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1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
8:55 am
“With Gadhafi’s ouster, a world of possibilities for Libya and its people”
Yes …………. and it could wind up better or worse for the people of Lybia.
Time will tell.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
8:56 am
When The Muslim Brotherhood takes over and makes Lybia a radical State of Islam, the Cons will blame President Obama…
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
8:56 am
Excuse me: “Libyer” as Bush would say.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 am
Normal:
If he did have a plan and the CIA working very hard in therre to prevent an even more radical takeover ………….. then yes, just like Carter on Iran, he will receive the blame and rightfully so.
Time will tell.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
8:58 am
Excuse me: “If he did NOT have a plan”
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
9:02 am
lately one or two has fully paid their due
For working for the clampdown
Ha! Gitalong! Gitalong!
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:03 am
Now if we can just resist the temptation to push ‘our’ candidate….
I will make one prediction with a high degree of confidence: if whatever emerges is problematic for the US, we will hear how Pres Obama lost the opportunities of Libya, how his lack of leadership paved the way for radicals to take over and….. blahhhh, blahhhh, blahhhh…….
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
9:03 am
My hopes and prayers are with the people of Libya.
If we could do it…..they can too.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
9:05 am
“If we could do it…..they can too”
I have the same wish for them as I had for Egypt: I hope they get what they fought for.
I think the history of the region is against them, but they have defeated their political systems…maybe they can defeat history too.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
9:05 am
Granny:
Our founding fathers didn’t have radical Islam pounding at the door.
Midori, getalife, Kamchack, Good Fight, et al:
Please listen to Jay’s admonition last night and try to debate today instead of attacking other bloggers.
Thank you.
godless heathen
August 22nd, 2011
9:06 am
All we had to do was plant the seeds of Arab Spring in Iraq.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
9:08 am
Scout
No, they had the British Government pounding on the door on one side
and a native populace we would nearly exterminate on the other.
We had it sooooo much easier.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:12 am
Looks like we changed playgrounds, so I’ll repost some from below…
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:07 am
” I know you by your blogs.”
Well, that just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. This site is a “blog”, I personally don’t have a blog, so I know that MR wouldn’t know me by it, and the only other people here I know who do, are Doggone and USinUK — a waterfall blog and food blog, so I don’t know what about those two things makes someone come to the conclusion that they hate free enterprise and capitalism.
“Whether you state you favor capitalism and free enterprise is apparent by your actions.”
What? Like taking my own money, risking it in the free market to start my own corporation and business?
Call me crazy, but I thought that was proof positive that I LIKE free enterprise and capitalism.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:10 am
Paul,
I was going through some old photos this weekend and found one of my dad on that ride at Disney World. The look of complete and utter disgust was apparent on his face.
carlosgvv
August 22nd, 2011
9:13 am
The French Revolution, The Russian Revolution and The Cuban Revolution remind us that, sometimes, overthrowing one Government leads to another even worse one.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 22nd, 2011
9:13 am
Ummm…. why thanks Scout, I am all for it… I noticed a very select list. I am confident your keep your admonishments fair and balanced much like that, right?
________________________
I am with Paul. Let them determine their own path.
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
9:14 am
Congrats to the Libyan people.
Nice crystal ball, Normal, @ 8:56.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:15 am
Now THAT’S how you build a nation. You let the PEOPLE do it, instead of trying to do it FOR them.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:15 am
USinUK,
Do you have a link to the Stewart piece?
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:16 am
Bosch
I am truly sorry. I hope you were able to overcome those difficult life circumstances with a forgiving heart.
I bet he didn’t like Abba, either -
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:16 am
“Excuse me: “Libyer” as Bush would say.”
now, that’s funny.
(although, wouldn’t W think that Libya was one of the Zodiacal signs?)
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:17 am
Talking point: President Obama deserves no credit for helping the Libyan people oust a dictator. But if the state becomes a Muslim theocracy, he will get all of the blame.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am
Jay: Additional non-military assistance will now be needed as the Libyans attempt to rebuild government and identify and elevate new leadership.
NO. Our infrastructure, roads and bridges are crumbling — it’s time to help ourselves. There’s a saying about that somewhere…….
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am
Bosch: thedailyshow.com? It’s the first part of the episode.
Basically, it goes like this:
Clip: “Is Warren Buffet a socialist?”
Stewart: “You REALLY don’t understand what socialist means do you?”
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am
Oh of course Paul. Of course, I mean, the man did TAKE us to Disney World and all — even rode the ride with us.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am
Bosch …
as …. you … wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiish
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/jon-stewart-highlights-conservative-hypocrisy-on-class-warfare-video.php
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:19 am
Bosch: Actually, it’s way better than that with an added joke about George Clooney. Definitely go watch it.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:19 am
Bosch
It’s been five minutes, so, here you go – Warren Buffet on why he’ had enough of Congress coddling millionaires and billionaires:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-august-18-2011-anne-hathaway
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:20 am
DDR: Don’t worry, Congress will NEVER vote to nation build in a place where our involvement began under Obama.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:20 am
Normal – 8:56 – let’s face it, if anyone other than the Methodists take the lead in Libya, it’s going to be RADICAL EXTREMISTS ARE NOW IN CHARGE!!!
(as oposed to a tyrannical dictator who ordered the Lockerbie bombing … which, evidently, GLL has completely forgotten … or maybe he just doesn’t care)
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
9:20 am
“NO. Our infrastructure, roads and bridges are crumbling — it’s time to help ourselves. There’s a saying about that somewhere”
NO assistance? NONE? NO advice, NO training, NONE? How short sighted. If they ask for help, we should provide it. “Assistance” isn’t always MONEY.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:22 am
Adam: You let the PEOPLE do it, instead of trying to do it FOR them.
Word.
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
9:22 am
Debbie, I doubt much of the assistance would have to be financial, given Libya’s oil reserves. And unlike pre-invasion Iraq, Libya’s oil industry is pretty modern. It can generate a lot of capital pretty quickly.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
9:24 am
let’s face it, if anyone other than the Methodists take the lead in Libya, it’s going to be RADICAL EXTREMISTS ARE NOW IN CHARGE!!!
dunno, maybe those evolution-toleratin’ Methodists are one of the “unholy” denominations that Scout was telling me about some weeks ago?
Bill Orvis White
August 22nd, 2011
9:24 am
Hussein Downgrade Obama has been leading from behind on Khaddafy Duck’s Libya. It’s high time for a real man like Mr. Cain or the honorable Gov. Perry to take control of the White House and show real American leadership on this mess. It’s most likely that these rebels will not be able to take control of Tripoli and what will happen will be a major caliphate that will extend from this region all the way up to Teheran. I believe this will be the start of a massive Mideast War that will unwillingly draw Secular Europe into this disaster. This is why WE THE PEOPLE who possess some shred of common sense – need to stock up on our weapons and food caches today. I’m ready with a fully stocked bunker, are you? Do not be so naive, people!
Amen,
Bill
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:26 am
dB – well, considering I dabbled in Methodism for a couple of years (and, generally, liked it – the people were nice, the service was good and they threw a heckuva spaghetti dinner), it probably is one of the unholy denominations
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
9:26 am
On “Mary Elizabeth Sings,” Dec. 26, 2010, post entitled, “A New World: A Budding World Consciousness,” I wrote:
“The old realities of hierarchial thinking are giving way to realities based on truths not mandated from outside of oneself, but which spring from within oneself. We are beginning to relate to others laterally, instead of vertically – as brothers and sisters, instead of as masters and servants. Long held hierarchial communication within religious, social, and political institutions is giving way to a more egalitarian form of communication.”
————————————————————-
From the words of President Barack Obama delivered in Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009:
“For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes subjugating one another to serve their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating. Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail. So whatever we think of the past, we must not be prisoners of it. Our problems must be dealt with through partnership; progress must be shared.”
—————————————————————————————-
”Toward which the conscience of the world is tending —
A wind is rising, and the rivers flow.”
Thomas Wolfe
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:26 am
Bill Orvis White: Hussein Downgrade Obama has been leading from behind on Khaddafy Duck’s Libya
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Oh stop! My sides! They hurt!
Tommy Maddox
August 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
Bravo and good luck Libya.
Where’s Gadhafi?
Road Scholar
August 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
1811/0311: I just hope the Libyans’ “founding fathers” don’t have radical christianity knocking at their door!
@@
August 22nd, 2011
9:28 am
Clashes breaking out in various parts of Tripoli.
With four separate but ?equal? rebel factions (not all converging on the city) and no journalists on the ground, it’s difficult to know what’s going on in Libya. I do believe that Qaddafi’s done.
What remains is the question for a later date.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:29 am
back on topic, I was pretty surprised by how quickly Gadhafi’s forces crumbled and the roll-up occurred. Seems like one night I was listening to Pete and RePete mocking SecDef Panetta’s “his days are numbered” remark, then a large military facility falls, then, bam, Tripoli’s done.
Haven’t heard more mocking this morning. I guess this is where the opposition shifts to something else.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:29 am
DogGone:NO assistance? NONE? NO advice, NO training, NONE? How short sighted. If they ask for help, we should provide it.
Short sighted? Maybe — but I’d rather call taking care of your own. when flying the emergency instructions always say that if the oxygen masks should drop down parents should put the mask on themselves FIRST then aid their children. Why? Because if the parent passes out because he/she didn’t so this, then there is a probability that BOTH the parent and the child are lost.
We have seniors living in poverty, people on Food Stamps barely surviving, republicans trying to oust people on long term unemployment insurance. etc — we need to put the oxygen mask over our face first, THEN we can help someone else.
“Assistance” isn’t always MONEY
Name how we can provide “asistance” without any money being paid out by us. Even if we send Army Engineers overseas to their country to help them rebuild, it’s STILL gonna cost us.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
9:30 am
Granny:
Yes, we did have it easier because with weren’t eat up with “internal terrorism” as Islam is.
Let me put it this way and then I must leave for the morning.
We backed this “revolution” but if we do not have a solid PLAN to give them a chance a true freedom as opposed to a radical Islamic state then that is criminal.
Some like you will argue that that it’s up to them to decide. NOT. Because the “them” doesn’t have a chance against the terrorists.
Even under the Bush administration we let Iraq walk away with a new Constitution that has the phrase, “nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam”. Again, some will say that was their right to put that in there. NOT. Not when American blood was spilled for the cost of their “freedom”. We didn’t let the Japanese put any “Bushido nonsense” in their constitution after WW II (Two U.S. Army Captains drafted it) and we shouldn’t have allowed that in Iraq’s. It begs for a future Islamic state.
Just my opinion.
Again, have to run. Be nice to each other as Jay as requested.
Mighty Righty
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
Cross your fingers. I hope this regime change in Libya is for the best. Do we know who will be in charge? I hope so.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
Jay: Debbie, I doubt much of the assistance would have to be financial, given Libya’s oil reserves. And unlike pre-invasion Iraq, Libya’s oil industry is pretty modern. It can generate a lot of capital pretty quickly.
Uh huh — pardon me, but I’ve heard that tune before. No matter who’s singing it, it’s the same dang tune.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
One more quick one:
Road Scholar :
Yep, that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!
Bye !
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am
Scout: but if we do not have a solid PLAN to give them a chance a true freedom
And just why should the U.S., or anyone who doesn’t actually LIVE THERE, have a PLAN at all for a country that isn’t theirs?
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
9:32 am
“Name how we can provide “asistance” without any money being paid out by us”
When the Balkan countries pushed out the Soviets a cousin of mine went to one of them on his own time but the government assisted in getting him assigned. He helped them set up their court systems.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:33 am
“that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!”
welp, speaking as a woman … if the shoe fits …
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Scout,
What sort of plan would you have President Obama impliment?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
To the PLAN people (who seem to think just having a plan, even if it is a bad one, is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD unless it’s a Democrat plan):
Guy 1: “So that’s the plan”
Guy 2: “That’s the plan?”
Guy 1: “That’s the plan!”
Guy 2: “That plan SUCKS!”
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
9:35 am
“NO assistance? NONE? NO advice, NO training, NONE? How short sighted. If they ask for help, we should provide it.”
No, we shouldn’t. It’s not out job to police the world anymore. I’m with Debbie on this one.
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
9:35 am
Ummm…. why thanks Scout, I am all for it… I noticed a very select list. I am confident your keep your admonishments fair and balanced much like that, right?
as Meat Loaf sang, “you took the words right outta my mouth — it must have been while you were kissing me”
Doggone – my wallpaper on my computer is of a Egyptian protester who brought his cat to the protests with him. around the cat’s neck is a sign that says “No Mubarak”
I love that picture
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
9:35 am
I’m not sure that Scout fellow fully grasps the notions of self-determination and self-government.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:36 am
Midori: Is the cat adorable? Could it be captioned on lolcats?
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
9:36 am
USinUK,
Be gentle with GLL…he was born that way…
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:37 am
Scout: Some like you will argue that that it’s up to them to decide. NOT. Because the “them” doesn’t have a chance against the terrorists.
Oh Scout — your comment made me remember something…….
•”No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 5
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:37 am
Jay – welp, if by “self” you mean “I need to approve it,” then, yeah, he TOTALLY gets it
Jimmy62
August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am
They’ll most likely end up with some form of Muslim-theologically run government, which will eventually oppress their people even worse leading to a revolt against the oppressive system in general, rather than a particular leader. But a lot of people will die first, and the US and UN will waste a lot of money trying to avoid the inevitable.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am
Scout
We had so much it easier….yep I clearly recall Paul Revere tweeting
“the British are coming”
Scout, are you related to Eeyore?
You musn’t let your islamophobia ruin your life.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am
DDR @ 0937,
Right On!
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am
Normal – 9:36 – he reminds me of the people who said that their parents “taught them to swim by throwing them off a boat” – it always made me think “aw bless … they weren’t trying to teach you how to swim as they rowed away”
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
9:39 am
this is the “underwear bomber” or the OBL take down all over, and frankly; this ’spin as you see fit’ tripe is making me sick. you know, it just occurred to me that all the geopolitical analysis and talk of vaccums and Muslim Brotherhoods and “Arab Springs” is akin the the current “flash mob” obsession. listen people; you have no skin in this game. sure, the price of oil may drop and gasoline might sink to $3.25/gallon, but compare what you will save at the pump with what you’ve lost in the market, or in your home, or even what you are now paying for a loaf of bread, gallon of milk or 5lbs bag of apples. all this rejoicing (or in Scout’s case; fear and ganshing of teeth) is just media hype. the people of Libya will just fall under the yolk of a different “leader” – even if the new “leader” is a plutocracy or oligarchy presented as another fledgling “democracy in the Middle East”. in fact, I would ask all of you to consider the “progress” or condition of the patriarch of democracies in the Western hemisphere; and further consider how the average Joe is doing these days. oh well; who is Ron Paul/Gary Johnson.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:40 am
Tell you what, let’s make all of our plans and legislation require 100% of the vote, with every single person voting on everything. If one person dissents, it doesn’t pass. And if someone doesn’t vote, they are killed.
Another option, perhaps more reasonable, would be to elect a dictator to the office of POTUS, and he would use his mumbo jumbo to force everyone in Congress, regardless of party, to do anything he wants because that’s what a LEADER does.
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
9:41 am
Adam – I’ll try to find the pic and post it.
and it is adorable – to me anyway
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:41 am
Joe – the arab spring = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh5h79OwafE???
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:42 am
“I’m not sure that Scout fellow fully grasps the notions of self-determination and self-government.”
I like the idea Washington should leave states alone but should run other countries.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:44 am
USinUK
your 9:38…. gonna steal it and use it and use it -
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:45 am
OMG, those clips are sad, funny, and just plain pathetic.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 am
Paul
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 am
“Normal – 9:36 – he reminds me of the people who said that their parents “taught them to swim by throwing them off a boat”
I don’t know about the swimming bit, but that is LITERALLY how the Army taught my Father to drive heavy trucks. They took a bunch of recruits to a field where their trucks were parked in a circle. Gave them the keys and said “See you back at that base”
mm
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 am
Boy, the wingnuts must have their panties in a wad over this one. A victory for Obama.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
Bosch – 9:45 – Jon Stewart clips?
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
And Neal Boortz is on FOX now?
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
USinUK,
The clips they showed in those videos, yeah, but as always Stewart calls out their stoopid.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
9:49 am
Bosch – but the Clooney thing … definitely a “cleanup on aisle 9″ moment
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:51 am
DogGone: When the Balkan countries pushed out the Soviets a cousin of mine went to one of them on his own time but the government assisted in getting him assigned. He helped them set up their court systems.
That was ONE person — not the US Government. If you’re talking that individuals and/or corporations should help (although with the corp. I’m sure they’ll raise the prices of their products and have the consumers pay for their altruism), that’s one thing; but I do not think the US Government should spend ONE DIME to help Libya rebuild their country.
As Jay pointed out, Libya has their own money.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
9:51 am
Mission accomplished…
The one kind of turmoil Iraq has seen little of is the pro-democracy movement that sprang to life in early 2011 across the region, the so-called Arab spring. In February, demonstrators turned out, not seeking to topple their leaders but demanding better government services after years of war and deprivation. But security forces responded with a heavy hand.
In a country where the demographics skew even younger than in places like Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, the wave of political change in the region has laid bare a generation gap split by old resentments nurtured by dictatorship and war and a youthful grasping for a stake in the new Iraq. But the forces of youth are blunted by the same forces that have robbed Iraqi society of so much for so long — violence, a stagnant economy, zero-sum politics and sectarianism — and that have prevented a new political class from emerging to take Iraq into a new democratic future.
The Insurgency Goes On
There is still plenty of conflict in Iraq. Many Sunnis, a minority that once held the reins of power under Saddam Hussein, consider the unity government a fig leaf for increasingly centralized control by the Shiite majority. Violence is still endemic in the northern cities of Kirkuk and Mosul, where Kurds, Arabs and other groups jockey for control.
The insurgency continues to flare up in brutal violence.
On Aug. 15, 2011, all across Iraq, a chilling series of 42 apparently coordinated attacks resulted in 89 deaths and about 315 people wounded. The strikes against civilians and security forces made it the deadliest day of the year for Iraqis, and it came in many forms: suicide attacks, car bombs, homemade bombs and gunmen.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/index.html
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
USinUK; (spit) – that was me spitting the gun oil out of my mouth, as watching that clip made me run upstairs, grab the .38 from my night stand and place the barrel in my mouth. where do I begin? 1 – forget about firing Jim Tressel, the entire university should be shut down, razed, and like ancient Carthage; salt should be plowed into the soil so nothing grows there for the next 500 years. but kudos to you for finding the clip, as this is a painful and disturbing example of the obsession with media and the narcissism that infects many Americans (especially, those who are sometimes referred to as “out future”). to be honest, I have more respect for the more criminal “flash mobs” as at least they’re “getting some” as opposed to preening. you know, 40 years ago college kids organized mobs to demand an end to wars of imperialism. protesters were shot and killed at Kent State and Jackson State; and I remember an old H.S. football coach who used to talk about the smell of tear gas wafting over the practice field at (another Big 10) campus in the late 60’s. but hey, another one of the Kardasian sluts got married and those with cable can “keep up” with her whacky life. we really need to reinstutue the draft. seems to me we need to bring home all the dudes and chicks who work(ed) at Lowes and WalMart and MacDonald’s and send these bored to tears college students off to war.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
USinUK,
Oh yes, definitely. Just more proof that many “righties” don’t know what they are talking about — arguments based on talking points that don’t even make sense.
Kind of like earlier….
……”I know how you are from your blogs.” I mean, WTF?
@@
August 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
Oops! Forgot to respond to this:
Others activists used the network to urge Assad to watch the news and realize he was next. The situation in Syria is less certain as the regime continues to crack down against almost exclusively unarmed protesters and without the appetite for military invention that helped push the Libyan rebels to victory.
Let the Saudis deal with Syria. It’s in their interest to do so.
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
Adam — here it is: http://www.philomathean.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/22d6c_political-pictures-egyptian-riots-cat-can-has-democracy.jpg
the protester ain’t bad either
@@
August 22nd, 2011
9:55 am
The gossip fest continues so I’m out!
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:55 am
Midori!
Democracy Kitteh!!! Love it.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
Another option, perhaps more reasonable, would be to elect a dictator to the office of POTUS, and he would use his mumbo jumbo to force everyone in Congress, regardless of party, to do anything he wants because that’s what a LEADER does.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
On Aug. 15, 2011, all across Iraq, a chilling series of 42 apparently coordinated attacks resulted in 89 deaths and about 315 people wounded. The strikes against civilians and security forces made it the deadliest day of the year for Iraqis, and it came in many forms: suicide attacks, car bombs, homemade bombs and gunmen.
I sure am glad our corporate media continues to spotlight the ongoing agony in this particular part of the planet, aren’t you? Remember how those events of August 15 prompted reporters to ask all of the aspiring Presidential candidates what lessons they’d learned from our invasion and occupation of Iraq?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
Doggone: They took a bunch of recruits to a field where their trucks were parked in a circle. Gave them the keys and said “See you back at that base”
Sounds like how they train most low-wage employees these days.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
No @@ but the Saudis will help on Syria.
Any violence from Syria today?
I doubt assad will stop .
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
Midori: Love it!
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
Joe the Plutocrat,
I’ve never understood who the Kardashians are — what do they do actually?
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:02 am
I’ve never understood who the Kardashians are — what do they do actually?
From what I can tell, absolutely nothing. Oh but they do marry well.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
“That was ONE person — not the US Government”
did you miss the part where I said the GOVERNMENT helped get him assigned? And “we should help” doesn’t -also – ALWAYS have to mean the government does it all. but the government DOES have to be involved. If only to help protect our reputation by keeping cranks out of the loop when these countries ask for help.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
Yep, that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!
How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years. The effects of that still linger today.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
Bosch – 9:53 – it’s the new take on Christ’s quote, “by their blogs, you will recognize them”
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:05 am
joe – 9:53 – glad I could help (it wasn’t the clip I was looking for originally … but it was so incredibly bad, I had to post it)
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:05 am
“I’ve never understood who the Kardashians are — what do they do actually?”
I saw them described (can’t remember where) as being “famous for being famous”
I don’t have a clue who they are either.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
10:06 am
Bosch, remember a guy named OJ Simpson? well, on the night he alledgedly decapitated his ex-wife and her boyfriend; he contacted a fella by the name of Robert Kardashian. Kardashian was a USC grad, booster and overall jock sniff, who became one of OJ’s many lawyer/advisors/agent/manager. it was alledged that OJ gave RK a suitcase which contained bloody clothing and perhaps a knife. well, we know how the story ends, but it is worth noting that Kardashian got cancer and died a few years later (”thank you God!”), but not before he father three or four daughters all of whom seem to have inherited his “jock sniff” gene. the rest, as they say is (television) history. oh, did I mention his ex-wife married 1976 Olympic Decathalon gold medal winner, Bruce Jenner? forget about accomplishing goals, being a producer, not a moocher, in American in 2011 you don’t have to be successful, you simply have to f**k a successful person and you get your own TV show!
C Tucker Blog-Comments-Page Refugee
August 22nd, 2011
10:06 am
The effects of that still linger today
RACIST.
U R PLAIN DUH RACE CARD
U RACIST!!!!1!!111!
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:07 am
SoCoBro – 10:03 – speaking as a gender who was told for hundreds of years that we should submit to our husbands (regardless of if they beat us, cheated on us, gambled away our money) – I’m right there with ya, my friend!
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:07 am
“How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years. The effects of that still linger today”
And some forms of “Christianity” STILL try to keep some of us “in chains” – figuratively.
Road Scholar
August 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
Granny; But Sister Sarah stated that Paul Revere yelled” The colonists are coming! The colonists are coming!”
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:10 am
“Granny; But Sister Sarah stated that Paul Revere yelled” The colonists are coming! The colonists are coming”
Not Sister Sarah, Sister Michelle
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
Road – no, he said “they’re coming for your guns! they’re coming for your guns!”
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
USinner & Doggone
AMEN!!!
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
Doggone – no – it was St. Sarah of the Tundra when she was on her IQuitarod tour earlier this summer
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
Tommy Maddox
August 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
Bravo and good luck Libya.
Where’s Gadhafi?
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The eighth hole at the Vineyard Golf Club at Edgartown?
(maybe BHO should try night golf under no moonlight)
But it was later, at the Vineyard Golf Course in Edgartown, where the president’s recalcitrance was most evident. Approaching the eighth tee in a golf cart with friend and frequent golfing buddy Eric Whitaker, the president noticed three TV cameras and a Globe photographer across the street. Rather than stop and be photographed teeing off, the president skipped the hole.
Could the country have elected a narcissist; a victim of low self-esteem?
Afraid to have his picture taken while teeing off; what’s up with that, bad “optics”?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:14 am
Jay, your column pretty much covers the bases.
While noting that this is different than the “Iraq Invasion”, it is worth also noting that there was a rebellion against Hussein, but we let it get squashed previously instead of supporting it. We corrected our error. Tip of the hat is due Mr. Bush for helping drain the proverbial swamp and demonstrate the possibilities of democracy in the ME, no matter how flawed, nascent or messy they are.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
They model, have a reality show, own clothes stores, and made millions on the wedding.
Bruce plays with his helicopter, flight simulator and plays golf.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
USinUK – yep, you’re right. It was Bachman who messed up the Founding Fathers, I got the two Colonial gaffes confooosed!
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
did you miss the part where I said the GOVERNMENT helped get him assigned?
Read it — did you read the part where I said it was a “single individual” doing this? The government provided contacts and not money sure, but that was still just ONE PERSON.
And “we should help” doesn’t -also – ALWAYS have to mean the government does it all. but the government DOES have to be involved.
WHY? Why does the US always have to be involved? Why? ANd I’d like a better qualifier than the one you gave below.
If only to help protect our reputation by keeping cranks out of the loop when these countries ask for help.
Reputation doesn’t put food on the table of the single mother whose UI benefits have ran out, can’t get Welfare because she owns a car, (which she’ll need if she ever find another job), or isn’t %100 destitute. What about HER reputation?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
jm: But a wag of the finger for…. oh forget it.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
Definitely a world of possibilities, and sadly most of them extremely bad.
Keep Up (from downstairs)
“Seems somewhat disingenuous that many on the right fear “mob rule” and yet trot out their gun collection and second amendment remedies as a matter of “protest” and decry orderly protest by others as “thugs” and try to “infiltrate” the peaceful crowds to make it seem like mobs and thugs………”
What does the 2nd amendment have to do with protestors? Are you seeing gun toting mobs? And the protestors in Libya aren’t exactly peaceful. The fact that they are carrying AK-47s and rocket propelled grenades sort of negates the peacefulness of the protests
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
“Tip of the hat is due Mr. Bush for helping drain the proverbial swamp and demonstrate the possibilities of democracy in the ME, no matter how flawed, nascent or messy they are.”
wow.
I mean. just. wow.
you honestly think that what’s going on in Libya is a direct result of Iraq
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:17 am
DDR: You can’t get welfare if you own a car? But I thought the government just HANDS OUT welfare to anyone who asks?
mikey
August 22nd, 2011
10:17 am
just like change has come to America, now change has likewise come to Libya
we were hoping and thinking the change promised was going to be for the better…
the only thing that has never changed is God’s word, we’d see the changes we hope for if we believe it…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
Brosephus
“How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years.”
Yet was it not Christian churches that were also major force in the abolitionist movement?
http://www.history.com/topics/abolitionist-movement
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
Debbie and Adam,
I thought you HAD to own a Cadillac or some other luxury car just to be CONSIDERED for welfare.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
UJ: Could the country have elected a narcissist; a victim of low self-esteem.
You do recognize that a narcissist is NOT a victim of low self esteem don’t you? Don’t you..? [Crickets chirping in the background]
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
“Read it — did you read the part where I said it was a “single individual” doing this?”
One person used as an EXAMPLE does not mean he was the ONLY one involved. He was part a a large number of people who assisted several of those countries. Don’t lean too heavily on the “ONE person” bit.
“WHY? Why does the US always have to be involved? Why? ANd I’d like a better qualifier than the one you gave below”
Because it’s the AMERICAN thing to do? Where would WE be if France had chosen not to “get involved”?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
Boy, the wingnuts must have their panties in a wad over this one. A victory for Obama.
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And this is a victory for Obama, how? Is he a Libyan citizen?
Maybe for SOS Clinton, etal.
The press is full of reports about how Clinton, Rice and Power pushed Obama to war. The New York Times, citing insiders, reports that Obama shifted to intervention in Libya only under pressure from the trio: “The change became possible, though, only after Mrs. Clinton joined Samantha Power, a senior aide at the National Security Council, and Susan Rice, Mr. Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations, who had been pressing the case for military action, according to senior administration officials speaking only on condition of anonymity.”
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
No US casualties and the Libyans are paying us back.
The uprising might have taken saddam out too.
There is your comparison.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
While we all celebrate yet another un-Constitutional military intervention by the United States in a foreign land, remember this prediction:
Within 2 years of the last American soldier leaving Iraq, more Iraqis will be killed per day than were killed before we invaded.
Within 1 year of leaving Afghanistan, the current government will be toppled and a Taliban / Islamic fundamentalist regime will take over, reversing every bit of “gains” we made in over 10 years.
One year from today, there will be a less-stable form of government in Libya, and oil prices will be higher due to it.
And all three countries will be on the U.S. travel ban list.
Intervention gets us nothing but U.S. deaths, civilian deaths and hatred, and unstable replacement governments. But feel free to celebrate the oncoming misery that our great and powerful nation has wrought these past 10 years!
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Bosch: And a flat screen!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Jeebus, golfing paparazzi?
And this is what excites the Obama haters?
joe suggs
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Why do we care about these ratholes ???????
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
USinUK 10:16 – indirectly, yes.
Obama deserves plenty of credit for helping support the insurgents among all the cacophony from both sides. I won’t weight the gravity of the decisions Obama had to make versus Bush’s. Though that should be obvious.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:21 am
Jay
” This is also not a revolt controlled or led from outside the country’s borders, or an invasion such as that which removed Saddam Hussein. ”
Are you sure? I’m pretty sure that the Libyan “protestors” couldn’t have toppled a major military power with guns used to shoot desert rabbits. I’m almost sure it took military arms and ammunition to do that. Shooting a Libyan Russian built T38 tank with a .22 would not have done much good.
They got a huge amount of arms from outside powers and our own special forces played a huge part. This is no more an uprising of the people than it was in Egypt and we see what is happening in Egypt, well actually, if a person decides to look outside the US media, they will seed what is happening in Egypt.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
maybe look into a way to filter out nonsense like the 10:06 post by they pathetic, infantile, loser, whom I refuse to even acknowleded by (coawrdly) name?
Joe. Dude. It was a joke fercryinoutloud. One that I will cop to.
You don’t really think C Tucker’s inbred castoffs are quite that self-aware, do you?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
I’m bookmarking Dave’s prediction, for two reasons:
1) To compare it to the times he suggested
2) Any time he gets on someone else for making a prediction
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
++++++++++++++
My dear, it was an either or; multiple choice; a search for some plausible explanation as to why the “leader” of the “most powerful” nation on earth would cower and run from cameras while playing a round of golf. So, if neither of my choices suit you, please offer another explanation.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
Paul Revere just had a better P.R. staff than Prescott and Dawes…
Brad Spencer
August 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Radical Islam is hardest on non-radical Muslims. Look at all the bombings, for example. That makes the purveyors of radical Islam pretty much the enemy of everyone (and, if ever they really got power, you can be pretty sure they’d go after each other. Come to think of it, remember Sadegh Ghotbzadeh?) That does not make the radical Islamists good nor is it intended to do so.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Adam 10:16 – “wag of the finger” for making a mess of the execution of the Iraq nation building effort. While hindsight will always be 20-20, there were plenty of people who thought they were “under staffing” the occupation / recovery effort on the front end. Rummy’s blinders and agenda helped make a bigger mess of it. But it probably would have always been messy.
Jack
August 22nd, 2011
10:24 am
Bookman used Obama’s name and “vindication” in the same sentence. Hope springs eternal, I suppose, for some liberals. Bookman also waxes dreamily that “no guarantees” exist: well, doggone, making guarantees got Obama elected.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
I would like to add that this military mission is a text book variety of how we should ALWAYS approach such matters.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
Adam, you forgot:
3. Because I cyber-stalk him.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
UsUK: you honestly think that what’s going on in Libya is a direct result of Iraq
All ‘dem injuns look alike…… “Festus — Gunsmoke”
Adam: You can’t get welfare if you own a car? But I thought the government just HANDS OUT welfare to anyone who asks?
Only the women that go to the store, (wearing Gucci shoes with a cell phone, ipod AND designer duds), purchases stuff with food stamps, and then drive off in a Cadillac SUV.
Bosch: Debbie and Adam – I thought you HAD to own a Cadillac or some other luxury car just to be CONSIDERED for welfare.
But of course!
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
“you honestly think that what’s going on in Libya is a direct result of Iraq”
A lot of people on the left blame Bush for everything that goes wrong. Why not give him some credit every once in a while?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Jeebus, golfing paparazzi?
And this is what excites the Obama haters?
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The word would be disappoints; not excites. Besides whacking, explain please. The wittle POTUS wunning from a few wittle cameras? Putin must be removing his shirt and flexing
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Brosephus
“How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years.”
And it was an atheist cult called the cult of reason that resulted in 600,000 people being slaughtered during the French Revolution, so what’s your point?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
jm: Good points definitely. That one wasn’t entirely hindsight based.
Dave R: Oh please.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:28 am
Bosch 10:25 – Bosch has anointed himself the next Henry Kissinger / Colin Powell. Amazing.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:28 am
GLL: And it was an atheist cult
I could just see if you spoke the word “atheist” aloud it would be followed with a large spit.
A slightly smaller spit for the use of the word “Muslim”
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
Adam
Are you saying that it wasn’t an atheist cult that was the reason for the French Revolution?
Should I be careful about insulting the people who murdered over half a million people?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
[Crickets chirping in the background]
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Did someone mention crickets. Debbie, oh Debbie.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:33 am
jm
So do you think Libya is an example of how we should NOT approach such matters?
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
jm,
Oh, so do you think the shock and awe approach — sending in large invading full scale military operations resulting in the deaths of thousands of troops and costing our country a cool trillion or so is so much better than working with allies with small units helping rebels within a country topple their regime, costing us relatively nothing in regards to money and personnel?
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
Adam
Try not to put everyone who doesn’t think like you in neat little boxes. I, like NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR and CNN call radical Islam radical Islam. Now your turn. Please point to where I said Muslim and followed the word with something derogatory.
I would say that I’ll be waiting, but you can’t because I don’t.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:35 am
Get out of my head Paul!!!!
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:36 am
Bosch
I would think that we should approach such matters LEGALLY, with the president going to Congress like the law dictates. Or we could become even more like a third world dictatorship than we already are.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:37 am
Bosch
kayaker 71
August 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
We should be encouraged for Libya’s future by observing all of those Democratic Republics in the world of Islam. I can’t seem to find any. Islam doesn’t lend itself to accept free elections and rule by the people. What makes you think that it will begin in Libya?
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
“A lot of people on the left blame Bush for everything that goes wrong. Why not give him some credit every once in a while?”
if this was 2003, you might have a point.
since it’s 2011 (and W has been gone for 3 years – as you folks on the right are so fond of pointing out), not so much.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
GLL
Why do you say the law requires the President to go to Congress when fulfilling treaty obligations?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
DDR, actually, pathologically speaking, narcissists do have self-esteem issues (fear of abandonment, fear of not being acknowledged). in fact, Narcissism is something of a response to a lack of self-esteem via ’self-esteem on steroids’). trust me, I know.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
Paul 10:33 – I didn’t say that (or no). I thought it was a good solution to the problem. I think its fantastic if we can solve problems without going through an all out war. But not all problems can be solved in this manner.
I agree with Bosch though, in the sense that I would say: the more problems we can solve in this manner, the better. But I wouldn’t have made the blanket statement he made.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
DogGone: Because it’s the AMERICAN thing to do? Where would WE be if France had chosen not to “get involved”?
A – What does that mean — “The AMERICAN thing to do”? Are you saying that we are the police of the world? That our resources, people and money should be spent not in our own country, but in someone else’s policing their populace with our lives and finances?
B – This is not the 1700’s, things have changed.
C – France’s offer of assistance wasn’t altruistic without having any preconceived plans:
Why France was Interested
France initially sent agents to observe the war, organised secret supplies, and began preparations for war against Britain in support of the rebels. France might seem an odd choice for the revolutionaries to deal with. The nation was ruled by an absolutist monarch who was not sympathetic to claims of ‘no taxation without representation’, even if the plight of the colonists and their perceived fight against a domineering empire excited idealistic Frenchmen like the Marquis de Lafayette. France was also Catholic, and the colonies were Protestant.
But French was a colonial rival of Britain, and while arguably Europe’s most prestigious nation, France had suffered humiliating defeats to the British in the Seven Years War – especially its American theatre, the French-Indian War – only years earlier.
France was looking for any way to boost its own reputation while undermining Britains, and helping the colonists to independence looked like a perfect way of doing this. The fact that some of the revolutionaries had fought France in the French- Indian war scant years earlier was expediently overlooked. In fact, the French Duc de Choiseul had outlined how France would restore their prestige from the Seven Years War as early as 1765 by believing the colonists would soon throw the British out, and then France and Spain had to unite and fight Britain for naval dominance.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
“I would think that we should approach such matters LEGALLY, with the president going to Congress like the law dictates”
Yeah, like he did.
Next.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
GLL
BTW – Congress was fine with the President’s actions in Libya. Rep Kucinich introduced a bill to deny funding for Libyan operations (exercising Congress’s power of the purse to approve or disapprove actions of the Commander in Chief) and it was massively rejected.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
“But I wouldn’t have made the blanket statement he made”
Yeah, because jm NEVER does anything of the such.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
kayaker 71
Hey, we got rid of a man who was bad 30 years ago. If he had been tried in a US civilian court like most liberal would have wanted, he would be out by now.
Obama is over
August 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
This is great news. Gadhafi is a thug. I hope that the U.S. does not have to offer financial support as you imply. WSB reported last week that we have spent $770mm repairing mosques in Iraq and Egypt and several hundred million more installing an internet infrastructure. Trying to buy Islamic support is a futile effort. Respect is earned not granted merely because one can write a check. With the U.S. treasury curve flattening predicting a coming recession, spending programs like this need to be stopped. Intellectual capital rather than cash can be very effective in building long term relationships. Give a man a fish; he gets a meal; teach a man to fish, and he is fed for a lifetime.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
GLL: I put Muslim in there to see if you would defend both. Instead, you defended the one you knew was false and ignored the other. Am I to take that to mean you do indeed think of and speak of atheists in a derogatory manner?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
sfd, rule one of blg/internet humor; nuance is not in play. jokers would do well to preface with (this is a joke). we’ve all seen the real thing as far as CT-bashing and whatnot, and as I said, it’s trite and irritatating.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
“Are you saying that we are the police of the world? ”
You are the one putting “police” in the dicussion, not me. I never said anything about “policing” in Libya, I said if they as for help we should be prepared to ASSIST them. “Prepared to” doesn’t mean, or even imply, that we should grant their every wish.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
UJ: My dear, it was an either or; multiple choice; a search for some plausible explanation as to why the “leader” of the “most powerful” nation on earth would cower and run from cameras while playing a round of golf. So, if neither of my choices suit you, please offer another explanation.
How about, when you making a comment like that, you add “or” in the sentence? For Instance instead of : Could the country have elected a narcissist; a victim of low self-esteem.
Try this: “Could the country have elected a narcissist;OR a victim of low self-esteem.”
That way there’s no confusion. Just a thought.
The Thin Guy
August 22nd, 2011
10:44 am
Would everyone standing in the unemployment line please stand up and cheer that Libya has replaced Dictator A with Dictator B. Colonel Sanders with his greasy chicken represented a greater threat to America than Colonel Q. Off to try to make ends meet in The Great Pelosi Recession where all of my fellow workers will undoubtedly be elated that Libya is now free unless you are a Christian, a Jew, an atheist, an agnostic, a drunk, a homosexual, a fancier of pork products, or a woman wearing less than 100 square yards of opaque linen. Years from now each of us will ask where were you when you heard about the glorious liberation of Libya. I would fire my AK47 in the air excepts my local hoosegow doesn’t have HDTV.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
Democratic Republics in the world of Islam. I can’t seem to find any.
Indonesia and Turkey ring a bell?
Granted, we’re only talking three hundred twenty million or so people, so I guess you could be excused for those dinky little examples slipping your mind.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
Paul
Congress was fine? Really?
So is that the new standards for Congressional action in this country? Ah, go ahead. Congress will be fine with it. LOL!!
My God, if we don’t change course in 2012, we will be a third world dictatorship before the next election.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Paul: Congress was fine with the President’s actions in Libya. Rep Kucinich introduced a bill to deny funding for Libyan operations (exercising Congress’s power of the purse to approve or disapprove actions of the Commander in Chief) and it was massively rejected.
It’s sad really. The President has to do something FIRST, THEN Congress decides whether or not they like it, in today’s world. We need to get back to a reasonable set of representatives so we can actually get something done, instead of bringing bills to the floor that are either designed to be or accidentally get voted down.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Adam
Ahh. So lying about a fellow poster is OK. I see.
And yes, I also defended my fair stance about Muslims. Read further down the blog.
Strike two!!!
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
“My God, if we don’t change course in 2012, we will be a third world dictatorship before the next election.”
GLL has finally reached his “finest Moment”…geez
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
GLL: My God, if we don’t change course in 2012, we will be a third world dictatorship before the next election.
Hyperbole and a half… CLEAN ALL THE GOVERNMENT
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
GLL: You didn’t address the atheist question. Ball 1.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
Adam, you forgot: 3. Because I cyber-stalk him.
DaveR is being “CYBER STALKED”!!!???
muwwwwahahahahahahaa (evil laugh)
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Normal
Maybe you could address what I said instead of yet more adolescent personal attacks. Too much to ask?
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
” (and W has been gone for 3 years – as you folks on the right are so fond of pointing out)”
Yup, and just like you you folks on the left are so fond of forgetting.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Actually, Ball 2, since you did it twice.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Jed, it’s not worth the time or effort to play your silly BHO bashing games.
Now if you want to discuss something of actual significance, go right ahead.
I have paid very little attention to these Arab uprisings.
But I do know the following – Bush’s botch, lie-filled invasion and occupation of choice got nearly 5,000 Americans KIA’d in Iraq. Tens of thousands more injured, many horrifically so. And somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,000,000,000,000.00 wasted.
To date, we have lost ZERO American lives and have had ZERO causalities in Libya.
As was exactly the case in the Bosnian War.(Other than two tragic training related deaths.)
It appears that the Permanent War Party can no longer even wage a military campaign without disastrous ineptitude…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
jm 10:39
Thanks. That’s a lot clearer than the other statement.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
“Congress was fine with the President’s actions in Libya.”
Yeah, he’s such a weak POTUS and all, when he does something he’s supposed to and is assertive, and…..oh hell, I just get so confused when trying to keep up with the wingnuts logic.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
I am absolutely flabbergasted at the flippancy of the people who say “yeah, he was bad 30 years ago … who cares now”
do you honestly not remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
there is no statute of limitation on murder.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
JoeP: in fact, Narcissism is something of a response to a lack of self-esteem via ’self-esteem on steroids’). trust me, I know.
Too funny! Another instant classic!
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
Peadawg: Yup, and just like you you folks on the left are so fond of forgetting.
Two wrongs make a right! And let’s keep on claiming successes and denying failures because that is what we PERCEIVE the other side is doing.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Adam
Oh. So now I am required to answer each and every question you ask. Does that also ally to you and my questions?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Boston Herald goes for dumping Obama
http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1360452&srvc=news&position=2
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Yeah, NORMAL!!! Address the hyperbole, address it man!!
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
Pdiddy – like I said … 8 years is a loooooooooooooong delay for anyone to say that there is a direct cause/effect between Libya and Iraq
as for the economy – it was trashed when O got here. you can’t even compare the two
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
USinUK
Why now? Why overthrown one of the few remaining stable governments?
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
If they want freedom, they fight for their freedom.
The bush doctrine is history.
The Obama doctrine is working because he is a competent President.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
“Oh. So now I am required to answer each and every question you ask.”
Says the guy who is hounding another poster to answer his hyperbole.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
USinUK, you do realize that we forgive criminals. Look at Bill Ayers. I mean how long ago did he do those things and no one cares now. You never even hear him mentioned……. oh wait.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
Ya’ know it sounds like some of the GOP might like a guy like Gadhafi to round out their smorgasboard of Presidential candidates…..
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
“We should be encouraged for Libya’s future by observing all of those Democratic Republics in the world of Islam. I can’t seem to find any. Islam doesn’t lend itself to accept free elections and rule by the people. What makes you think that it will begin in Libya?
Turkey.
Indonesia.
Malaysia.
Maybe Iraq.
Maybe Egypt.
Maybe Tunisia.
And now maybe Libya.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
Gll: And it was an atheist cult called the cult of reason that resulted in 600,000 people being slaughtered during the French Revolution, so what’s your point?
My point was that I was responding to Scout’s 9:31 post where he stated:
Yep, that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!
That radical Christianity did keep SOME people here in chains on US soil. I could care less what some athiest group did somewhere else because that was not germane to the subject being discussed. You should sometimes read the post before you knee jerk your foot into your mouth. The people at this website, http://www.kneebracesonline.com/
can probably help you out with your knee jerking issue you seem to keep having here.
Paul
I guess that’s part of making a God in man’s image. He suffers or shares the same duality of personas that we do, even to the point of being in direct conflict of our own personal beliefs and/or feelings.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
DogGone: You are the one putting “police” in the dicussion, not me. I never said anything about “policing” in Libya, I said if they as for help we should be prepared to ASSIST them. “Prepared to” doesn’t mean, or even imply, that we should grant their every wish.
Uh huh. You still didn’t answer my question.
A – What does that mean — “The AMERICAN thing to do”?
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
Bosch
“Yeah, he’s such a weak POTUS and all, when he does something he’s supposed to and is assertive, and…..oh hell, I just get so confused when trying to keep up with the wingnuts logic.”
So a strong president breaks the law.
I see.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
GLL: Oh. So now I am required to answer each and every question you ask. Does that also ally to you and my questions?
Ball 3.
Avoid the question one more time and I get to walk.
Who said anything about “required” anyway? You could answer, or not. If you don’t, I am left only with my impression based on what you previously said.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
Paul 10:49 – I prefer not to play armchair general. I may have an opinion, but I have no illusions that my opinion should somehow be a policy of some sort. Further, I think each situation is different and should therefore probably be handled differently.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
“Boston Herald goes for dumping Obama”
NOES!!! SAY it isn’t SO!!! the conservative Boston Hairlip doesn’t like Obama!!!
next thing, you’ll say the Moonie Times doesn’t like him, either
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
USinUK: as for the economy – it was trashed when O got here. you can’t even compare the two
Careful! You left yourself open to “Bush gets blame but not credit” BS.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
“A – What does that mean — “The AMERICAN thing to do”?”
I refer you to how we treated Germany and Japan after WW2 as an answer
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
I think the Obama doctrine saved us trillions of our money and no US casualties.
If you can’t see this change, there really is no debate.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
Jay
Maybe not. And of course Israel is now have border wars with Egypt, its only Middle eastern Ally. Of course we have turned our back on Israel.
You do understand that Israel is a nuclear power, don’t you?
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
GLL
Executive is Commander in Chief and commits military.
Congress can keep the action going or shut it down thru appropriations.
It’s pretty simple.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:55 am
“So a strong president breaks the law. ”
So, GLL call you Rep. and have him start articles of impeachment.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
GLL: So a strong president breaks the law.
I see.
Now THAT is rich.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
GLL – “Why now? Why overthrown one of the few remaining stable governments?”
you seem to forget that, only recently did we end our embargo of Libya
and WE didn’t overthrow the government – the people did (we just kept them from being crushed by tanks)
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
HEADLINE: Morality Missing In National Debt Debate
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:57 am
TX works, CA doesn’t. Choice: pick the future. (aside from whether you think Perry is a decent candidate or not)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/08/21/rick_perry_keeps_it_simple_111037.html
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:57 am
“Careful! You left yourself open to “Bush gets blame but not credit” BS.”
adam – we’re already soaking in it.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
10:58 am
Off topic sorta, but an interesting read…
“Compared with a decade ago, the military is bigger, more closely connected to the CIA, more practiced at taking on terrorists and more respected by the American public. But its members also are growing weary from war, committing suicide at an alarming rate and training less for conventional warfare.”
“The Army and Marine Corps in particular — both still heavily engaged in Afghanistan — will struggle to retrain, rearm and reinvigorate their badly stretched forces even as budgets begin to shrink. And the troops themselves face an uncertain future; many are scarred by the mental strains of battle, and some face transition to civilian life at a time of economic turmoil and high unemployment. The cost of veterans’ care will march higher.”
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/08/ap-military-pentagon-adjusts-after-september-11-082111/
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:59 am
Why now? Why overthrown one of the few remaining stable governments?
Ask the people of Libya.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
Adam
Is this the question?
Am I to take that to mean you do indeed think of and speak of atheists in a derogatory manner?
You tend to think that everyone thinks like you, but no, I pride myself in not putting people in nice little boxes and thinking that because a person thinks a certain way on a specific issue that they are always bad. That is called bigotry.
Am I clear?
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
TX works, CA doesn’t. Choice: pick the future. (aside from whether you think Perry is a decent candidate or not)
Are you campaigning for big government? TX works because public sector jobs have grown twice as much as private sector jobs…..
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
DebbieDoRight
I’m pretty sure that the “people of Libya” aren’t crazy about their country being a war zone.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:01 am
“public sector jobs have grown twice as much as private sector jobs”
someone’s been listening too much to lying pundits on msnbc
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
GLL: Yes, that was the question. A followup is, if you don’t speak of atheists in a derogatory manner, then why did you make the comparison you did earlier? Are 600,000 lives in one moment in history equivalent to all the wars and crusades carried out by Christians over time?
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
“I pride myself in not putting people in nice little boxes and thinking that because a person thinks a certain way on a specific issue that they are always bad.”
So, am I in danger of being struck by lightning because I am on the same web site as GLL?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:02 am
Bro, here you go. Read up.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
11:03 am
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Jed, it’s not worth the time or effort to play your silly BHO bashing games.
Now if you want to discuss something of actual significance, go right ahead.
I have paid very little attention to these Arab uprisings.
But I do know the following – Bush’s botch, lie-filled invasion
+++++++++++++++++++
I guess “silly ___ bashing games” are in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think it is not silly to ponder why our president, one usually eager for face time, even considered not having a photo snapped of himself doing something that was public knowledge. It merits discussion. Was he afraid he would make a bad shot? Well heck, which golfer hasn’t? Was he afraid it would not be useful to be seen playing golf while so many are suffering in this economy? If so, he should not have gone on vacation. Was it a security threat? I doubt that or he wouldn;t have been out there in the first place. Maybe it was something simple like having spilled mustard on his shirt.
Bush’s botch, lie-filled invasion Silly bashing? Pot meet kettle.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
There is nothing to address in your posts. They are so biased, so filled with dislike of all that you don’t agree with, and so removed from reality, that it makes one wonder how you live with yourself.
…so I make fun, hoping you will get the point. It’s insane, I know, but I really do want you to calm down and see another point of view with out imploding…sorry.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
Brosephus: Well, you know a vote for Rick Perry is a vote to actually make there be LESS government jobs, and no efforts to grow jobs at all. Only attempts to deregulate existing regulations, which don’t really hamper job growth themselves anyway… well, unless it’s more profitable to build a polluting plant in an impoverished area quickly… hey… this could work if you don’t care about people and only care about profit!
godless heathen
August 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
The reason the President didn’t want to have his picture made on the golf course this weekend was because that wasn’t really him – it was the Presidential double. The real Obama was in Libya organizing the community and leading the march on Tripoli.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:05 am
USinUK
Yes, the people of Libya did it all themselves. They wanted their country to be a war zone and they used rocks and pointed sticks to crush a major military power, no help from outside sources whatsoever.
Hey, maybe radical islam will se yet another leadership vacuum and decide that it’s too much trouble to take over yet another country. Maybe MacDonald’s and Starbucks will be on every corner.
Because as we all know. Radical Islam really loves us.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:05 am
Brosephus
I look at it as a classic example of multiple, seemingly conflicting points on the same topic.
Also that often ‘religion’ or ‘God’ is different from what people say ‘religion’ or ‘God’ is.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
11:06 am
Okay, off to the big city of Tucker, Ga!!! Wish me luck!!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
Newsflash.
There is no way in (your favorite mythological, torture-filled netherworld here), that Perry wins an election in November 2012.
I understand it is good to have a dream, but this nut is for pipe dreamers…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hortus_Deliciarum_-_Hell.jpg
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
Maybe one day the Middle East will be filled with peaceful democracies.
They can thank George Bush for that…
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
Malaysia.
yeah. Them too.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
Normal
So you make fun . . . Got it.
You don’t address the points I offer . . . Got it.
A liberals that thinks he is above addressing the points of another poster and simply makes fun of the other poster. Wow. Say it ain’t so. Because as we all know, we should only address posters who we agree with.
At least you understand your capabilities.
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
+++++++++
WELL DONE. (over and out)
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
11:09 am
“They can thank George Bush for that”
Yep. They’ve decided they would rather do it themselves and have what THEY want…than have US invade them and imposed what WE want.
Don't Forget
August 22nd, 2011
11:09 am
Hey jm, read this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44217977/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
DogGone: I refer you to how we treated Germany and Japan after WW2 as an answer
A – We went to war with Germany & Japan in WWII, we cleaned up both countries because of the lessons we learned after WWI — Germany was left with the burden of high taxes and fines because of their agitating the War because of this factor and a few others, it caused someone like Hitler to rise to power, (Many Germans felt betrayed by their leaders for surrendering to the Allies in 1918 and resented the current German government because it had agreed to the terms of the Treaty of Versailles and because it seemed weak and inept. The country was beset by runaway inflation and high unemployment,).
We did not start a war with Libya and Libya can afford to rebuild their own country.
B – You STILL did not answer my question. Nice dodge though.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
“Radical Islam really loves us.”
and so do militant dictators – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
Bosch
And yet another liberal who makes fun and doesn’t address points made by others.
What we have here is a blog full of people who definitely understand their limitations.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
So the Bushbots still contend that the chosen invasion of Iraq was neither botched, nor lie-filled?
Otay.
The facts be damned…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
Well, we got no business messing with the towelheads in Libya. Unless there’s Yellow Cake Uranium or moving bio labs or Weapons of Mass Destruction. Then we need to gin up a war and kill a few thousand people. And if France is against that we won’t eat French Fries or call them Freedom Fries just to get back at them.
Anyhow, I’m against anything this Obama does. I don’t want us to do anything to help him get reelected. I’d probly feel different if there was a godly Republican in the White House. But for now I say let’s go out of our way to blame Obama. We’ll even blame a thunderstorm on him. I’m waiting for the Republican campaign that claims this Gadaffi was a prince of a fellow, a real saint that we hounded out of office. And I’ll be joining right in.
Have a good day everybody. Soon as Fox News tells me the Truth and what I should be thinking, you’ll be hearing more from me. I got to work right now so I can’t tune in.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
Doggone – “than have US invade them and imposed what WE want.”
but I heard they were asking for Ahmed Chalabi by name
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
“You STILL did not answer my question. Nice dodge though”
I did answer it. You just don’t like the answer. We helped rebuild both Japan and Germany, rather than occupy them as conquered lands – which we and the Allies COULD HAVE done. It set a precdent for assisting countries to find their own way, rather than have a way imposed.
That you can’t correlate that to Libya is your problem, not mine.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
USinUK
I get the Lockerby thing.
That was bad.
The question is: was it as bad as turning over a stable country to the possibility of the takeover by elements of radical Islam? You being a woman, I would think that you would be horrified at the prospect, but there was always Lockerby.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
11:14 am
USinUK
GLL – “Why now? Why overthrown one of the few remaining stable governments?”
you seem to forget that, only recently did we end our embargo of Libya
” and WE didn’t overthrow the government – the people did (we just kept them from being crushed by tanks)”
Nah! Those jets flying overhead were just dropping leaflets and all the Arms that we supplied were for mounting on the wall of their homes.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:14 am
The only reason our friends on the right are against this victory is another huge accomplishment for President Obama.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:14 am
Don’t Forget 11:09 – Don’t worry, I’m not advocating for a Rick Perry presidency. But one does have to love the economic framework Texans get to work within, versus, say, Californians.
The fact that liberals want to ignore is that TX is successful. Why? Almost libertarian governmental policies. People should learn from TX, even if they don’t like Perry.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:14 am
“Yes, the people of Libya did it all themselves.”
oh, and GLL, nowhere have I said that they did it ALL BY THEMSELVES
if not for the US and UK and France, the rebels would have been decimated weeks ago. however, providing air support /= toppling the gummint for them.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
GLL
“So a strong president breaks the law.
I see.”
You do?
“The Ohio Republican(House Speaker Boehner) told reporters on Wednesday that Obama was “technically” in compliance with the War Powers Act, despite criticism from the left and right over U.S. involvement in the Libya campaign.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56018.html
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
AmVet
Oh forget Iraq. How old school. That was before we had a king that could send us to war without the approval of Congress.
We’re a monarch, now.
Paulo977
August 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
Mary E
…and to support Thomas Wolfe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NzAUEvSuqY&playnext=1&list=PLD6938C0F35C61C5B
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
getalife
” The only reason our friends on the right are against this victory is another huge accomplishment for President Obama”
I believe it was more of an accomplishment for the French, Read much?
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:16 am
Paul
So speaker Bohner os now a reliable source for you.
Interesting.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:17 am
jm
From your own link:
But, just in case you’re really worried about it, you can lay your fears to rest because in the last year the Texas public sector has shrunk by 26,000 jobs. In the last 12 months, Texas lost 31,300 federal employees, trimmed 3,800 state jobs, and increased local government jobs by 8,400 jobs.
(To be fair, this was partially driven by the role Texas employees played in the census, which inflated federal job numbers this time last year. Since the census numbers stabilized, federal employment has been at about break-even.)
Take that and look back up on the last decade of job growth. Since December 2000, Texas has added more than a million jobs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/employment-boom/2011/08/20/gIQA79wBTJ_graphic.html
There was twice as much growth in the public sector as there was in the private sector. When population booms, you have to add teachers, cops, firemen, etc.. To try to say otherwise is BS. Those are still considered government jobs. Realize that TX is also home to several large military installations, NASA, and other governmental agencies, including the Border Patrol. You can try to whitewash it all you wish, but the Feds added thousands of BP Agents along the Southern Border this decade, and TX was a net recipient. The military has expanded as well. TX will lose a large number of those jobs when NASA completes the shutdown of the Space Shuttle program.
Fact is fact, no matter who tries to spin it to say otherwise. Just own up to it that y’all have been cheering for big government all along. If you’re wanting more BP Agents on the Southwest Border, you’re cheering for Big Government. If you want more counter-terrorism in the US, you’re cheering for Big Government. If you want faster air travel w/fewer delays, you’re cheering for Big Government.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 22nd, 2011
11:17 am
You being a woman, I would think that you would be horrified at the prospect — because I am truly empathetic to the insights and viewpoints of all women and I can predict how you think?
Is “you’re a woman, you must think” one of the new playing cards for discussions of posts?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:17 am
The reason Texas is “successful”?
Perry took the $20,000,000,000.00 from Uncles Sugar after………………loudly and constantly denouncing Uncle Sugar as a federally interventionist spendthrift. (STATES RIGHTS!!!)
Similar to the new math we now have the new GOP “accounting”…
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:17 am
pp,
Nato is American.
Read much?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
11:18 am
I admit, seeing the cons do backflips in order to give ANYONE credit except Obama is hilarious.
Now, I think NATO deserves credit, and said so earlier. But it seems no cons can agree on anything EXCEPT that Obama shouldn’t get credit
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:18 am
poison – what part of “(we just kept them from being crushed by tanks)” makes you think that I think they were just dropping pamphlets
(I mean, I know the pen is mightier than the sword and all that, but, tanks beat rocks, paper, AND scissors)
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
11:18 am
DebbieDoRight – I’m pretty sure that the “people of Libya” aren’t crazy about their country being a war zone.
They started the war when they demanded Ghaddify’s outster. Did you think G was just going to pack up his toys and leave quietly?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:19 am
Oh forget Iraq.
I can well understand your sentiment.
Come down to the VA Hospital on Clairmont with me sometime and say that to some of the guys there…
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:19 am
Keep Up
When discussing radical Islam, I believe that the treatment of women is a pertinent point. Why would you have a problem with that?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
“Yep. They’ve decided they would rather do it themselves and have what THEY want…than have US invade them and imposed what WE want.”
As long as doing it themselves didn’t exclude the guns, bombs, missiles, aircraft, pilots, drones and intelligence assets they needed.
Hail those self-sufficient Libyans!
Don't Forget
August 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
jm
If people take a closer look at Texas there’s plenty they won’t like. At the bottom of nearly everything.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
This is another huge accomplishment for our President so the cons are against it.
More proof our cons are party over country .
I rest this case.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:20 am
Bro, depends on whether you’re talking %ages or absolute numbers. Absolute numbers, TX hasn’t added anywhere close to the number of government jobs. TX gov’t jobs have grown from an incredibly small base. And yes, they’ve grown at a higher rate over the last 12 years, but not the last 5. So what’s your point?
The citation above supports the argument that TX government job growth isn’t out of line with its population growth.
md
August 22nd, 2011
11:21 am
Their freedom will last as long as they choose to work together………since they must basically start from scratch, they can survive as long as the masses don’t revolt once they are not being taken care of…………the processes and systems needed to operate a democracy take a while to be implemented and functioning………if corruption steps in to fill the vacuum, it may be an endless cycle of civil war……
Tanisha Green
August 22nd, 2011
11:21 am
I rather suspect we all know what will happen in Libya. There will be talk of freedom, and free elections. The Muslim brotherhood will end up in control and institute an “Islamic republic”, which…as always…will end up meaning “Islamic dictatorship”. Everyone will have to toe the theocratic line, and women will have about as many rights as livestock.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:22 am
Adam
Credit? I thought this was all about the Libyan people? They get the credit, don’t they? We just sort of helped a little. Right?
TGT
August 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
Only just scanned the early comments, but the “If we could do it…..they can too” comment is WAY off. There’s a BIG difference in our revolution and theirs: Christianity.
What is likely to happen in Libya is that they will trade one type of oppression (dictatorship) for another (Islamic rule). There can be no true democracy without freedom of religion, and the Islamists will not stand for it.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:23 am
Bro, oh I see. You’re counting Federal government jobs too, over which Rick Perry or anyone else in TX doesn’t have direct control.
You know, people who want to know how efficiently or well run TX is, don’t look at the Federal jobs added, they’re looking at state jobs.
Keep denying to yourself that TX is an economic miracle. The facts support TX’s growth as nothing less than astounding (even if you aren’t a fan of Rick Perry – I’m not). The lessons to be drawn from TX are not about Rick Perry, they’re about how their gov’t works.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 22nd, 2011
11:24 am
GLL – you were not discussing a point about Islamic women, you were assuming a position about how “Islam treats women” and telling USinUK that she must agree with your position because she is a woman and with the inference that something would be incorrect with her position is she did not agree as a woman.
But its a nice deflection attempt
Don't Forget
August 22nd, 2011
11:24 am
There was twice as much growth in the public sector as there was in the private sector
Brocephus, you weren’t supposed to look THAT close. Sheesh, don’t go lookin at the education and poverty numbers or you’ll really miss the point of how good Texas is.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
11:25 am
“Perry took the $20,000,000,000.00 from Uncles Sugar after………………loudly and constantly denouncing Uncle Sugar as a federally interventionist spendthrift. ”
What utter nonsense. Nothing but the lunatic rantings of a liberally-unhinged mind.
The Federal government TAKES from Texas. Why shouldn’t Texas get some of that back?
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
11:25 am
GLL,
Am I to understand then, that you don’t want us to aide Lybia in any way what so ever? No training, no arms, no air support? Just a “you can do it” is all you want us to do?
Do you not want Lybia to have a chance at freedom…and freedom, not democracy, is what they are talking about. Do you not want them to have that?
I read your posts, but I just don’t get them, so you must explain them to me.
What do you want for Lybia? Simple question…now answer it.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:25 am
has 100,000 unsustainable public sector jobs that inflate the growth numbers.”
I’m not sure where this one comes from, but the numbers are these (and can be found by selecting government employment from the data wizard at this link http://www.bls.gov/sae/data.htm):
Counting from the beginning of the recession (December 2007) the Texas public sector has grown 3.8%, or a little under 70,000 employees. This is faster than normal employment, but it’s not off the charts.
Given that the Texas economy has grown so much and private sector jobs have grown so much, that doesn’t strike me as an unsustainable growth in the public sector.
But, just in case you’re really worried about it, you can lay your fears to rest because in the last year the Texas public sector has shrunk by 26,000 jobs. In the last 12 months, Texas lost 31,300 federal employees, trimmed 3,800 state jobs, and increased local government jobs by 8,400 jobs.
(To be fair, this was partially driven by the role Texas employees played in the census, which inflated federal job numbers this time last year. Since the census numbers stabilized, federal employment has been at about break-even.)
As you can see, we’re nowhere near the “100,000 unsustainable jobs” number.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:26 am
Tanisha Green
“Everyone will have to toe the theocratic line, and women will have about as many rights as livestock.”
Yea but . . . Lockerby.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:26 am
jm
It’s percentages, the very same statistic that others trot out to club baby seals here. My point is that, you and others trot out TX as if it’s some huge accomplishment, but in actually TX runs counter to the Small Government stuff you and others tout. That’s my point. If you’re gonna use TX as a job example, then talk about ALL the jobs, not just the stuff you agree with.
Why is it acceptable for TX to have a growth in public sector jobs in relation with population growth, when the same isn’t acceptable for the fed gov’t over the previous 30 years? The number of fed employees now is almost the exact same as it was under Reagan, however, the population has experienced a major increase since then. Is it not acceptable to have a percentage in job growth that’s in line with population growth there?
The Double Standard is that 800 lb elephant standing on the high wire twirling the clown car right in front of you.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
11:27 am
getalife
pp,
” Nato is American.”
Read much?
Getalife, Please google NATO, if you can, then get the facts straight about NATO.
md
August 22nd, 2011
11:27 am
Libya is a tribal nation……….time will tell which one’s prefer to be dominant vs part of a group.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:28 am
jm
I mentioned fed jobs, but the WaPo numbers were all state. Just admit it. Your glorious “jobs” example is a direct endorsement of “Big Government”.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
11:28 am
Doggone: I did answer it. You just don’t like the answer.
So when I asked “What is the AMERICAN Way?” and you “answered” for me to refer to Germany and Japan, THAT was what you considered a valid answer? Oookayyy, got it. So a “non-answer” from you is considered a “valid answer that I just didn’t like”; even though you actually didn’t even deign to address the question in the first place. Hmnmmm You might have a career in politics with “answers” like the ones you gave. You should perhaps think about it.
We helped rebuild both Japan and Germany, rather than occupy them as conquered lands – which we and the Allies COULD HAVE done. It set a precdent for assisting countries to find their own way, rather than have a way imposed.
A – We weren’t talking about OCCUPATION of Libya — you asked me why I was opposed to helping to REBUILD Libya — not occupy it.
That you can’t correlate that to Libya is your problem, not mine.
Arrogance, DoggGone is your problem — you hate to admit when you’ve stepped into a hole and your argument/debate has stopped making sense and is starting to sound like a Nikki Minaj rap song. Nothing but jibberish, fast talking, and screeching to a beat.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:29 am
pocs (party over country) will now be used for our cons.
Now, Americans have a choice to make.
To reward pocs for their actions after they lost and end their party or not.
Your call America.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:29 am
Bro, seriously, I wonder if you have a reading comprehension issue.
Your own washington post link:
2000-2011, private job growth
TX: +9%
US: -2%
CA: -6%
IL: -7%
NY: -1%
Get it?
TX
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:30 am
Normal
If there was an outstanding leader in Libya that could take over power and lead the country to a government by the people, I would say that we had done a good thing, but there isn’t. What we do have there is mob rule and there have been very few instances of mob rule that result in the “people” moving upward.
You question is sort of like planting a bomb in a Honda and then asking me what I would like to do to get that Honda rolling again.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:30 am
DF
Not to mention, the “jobs” in TX are low end, low wage, no benefit type jobs. The technical jobs that actually pay something are going to H1B, L1, and other work visa holders, continually stiffing the US worker. That’s EXACTLY what we need to base our country’s economic recovery upon.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
11:30 am
“Oh forget Iraq. How old school. That was before we had a king that could send us to war without the approval of Congress.”
Selective, isn’t he? Dramitic, is he not? Forgetful too. Lybia is a NATO mission and we are just flying over and maybe…no proof that I’ve seen yet, but maybe we have Spec Ops on the ground, but we do not have regular troops there and we won’t. The public, I included, won’t stand for it.
carlosgvv
August 22nd, 2011
11:30 am
Mikey 10:17
To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever been able to prove or disprove the existance of God. So, what is this “God’s word” you speak of? Is it The Old Testament, The New Testament, The Koran, or scripture from Hinduism? If so, where is your hard scientific proof that it actually is God’s word? Or, is it just blind faith? If so, do you know the difference between faith and fact? Do you even care?
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:31 am
pp,
It is Obama’s Bosnia so move on.
When pocs lose, America wins.
USA!
USA!
USA!
md
August 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
NATO? 99.9999999% US………..the miniscule remainder……SOME of the others.
May as well be our military……..”the”y jump in and out when they so choose…………
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
Bro 11:30 – stop inhaling what MSNBC is selling. that argument is baseless as the link points out.
Lots of high end well paying jobs have been added in TX. Denial denial denial.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:33 am
GLL
“So speaker Bohner os now a reliable source for you.
Interesting.”
Nice sliiiiiide on whether or not Pres Obama was or was not breaking the law.
I’ll take Sprk Boehner’s assertion and backup over your assertion with no backup.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
Normal
So just fighter jets, bombers, European Air Bases and US aircraft carriers, 2,000 lb bombs and special ops mean that we aren’t involved.
Got it.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
GLL,
We haven’t done a “good thing” or anything there except aide NATO. Let Lybia choose their own leaders and learn to like it if it’s not our way.
America is NOT the “Kingdom of God”, after all.
willie lynch
August 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
What happens when the shoe is on the other foot?
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
11:35 am
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
Yeah GLL, let’s do the twist.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:36 am
Since the recession started hourly wages in Texas have increased at a 6th fastest pace in the nation.
As a side note, the only blue state that has faster growing wages is Hawaii. Just thought I’d get that jab in since so many people have been making snarky “Yeah, I could get a job in Texas is I wanted to flip burgers!” comments at me on Twitter.
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:36 am
jm
From my link
Government job growth
TX: 19%
FL: 10%
CA: 2%
IL: 1%
NY: 1%
US: 6%
I get TX far better than you appear to. Imagine the anti- big government ideologically driven, conservative led governments of TX and FL have added more government jobs in the past decade than the big-government loving liberal states of CA, IL, and NY.
Yep! Texas is a big example of job creation.
Even TX’s nonfarm job growth wasn’t at the same pace of it’s government growth.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:36 am
Liberals lie, the economy and jobs die.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:37 am
Paul
WASHINGTON • The House of Representatives sent President Barack Obama a strong bipartisan message Friday that it is frustrated and impatient with the U.S. military mission in Libya.
The House voted 295-123 to deny congressional consent for extending the 3-month-old effort for a year, a clear rebuke to Obama. But the House would not take the extra step of denying funding for the mission.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/article_bdcbd32e-07bf-5b20-a913-b6248ed411aa.html#ixzz1Vlx0i9C4
Libyan involvement violates War Powers Resolution
Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:45 am | Updated: 11:08 am, Wed Jun 22, 2011.
By Sheldon Richman –
President Obama demonstrates his utter contempt for the American people – and the law – when he says the War Powers Resolution does not apply to his intervention in Libya because, as the White House put it, “U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve U.S. ground troops.”
There are dozens of these stories.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
“My point is that, you and others trot out TX as if it’s some huge accomplishment, but in actually TX runs counter to the Small Government stuff you and others tout.”
No, Brosephus, it isn’t.
You mention teachers, fire fighters and police as being added since population growth has occurred. Since the state is mandated to provide such (and since public safety is a valid constitutional reason for government), these positions are in keeping with a valid role for LIMITED government, NOT small government.
If he asked for more Border Patrol, then you can ding him on that.
But this other stuff is just so much anti-Tea Party claptrap that it’s beginning to become ludicrous.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
Normal
So we are not the kingdom of God, but we get to decide that the Libyan leader was the wrong guy.
Got it.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:39 am
Also, I will call those who support our country over party real Americans..
We need to get our country back from the pocs.
Real Americans will win.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
jm
“You’re counting Federal government jobs too, over which Rick Perry or anyone else in TX doesn’t have direct control.”
Yet Republicans grant Gov Perry credit for jobs in oil and gas industries, over which he has little influence.
Okay, well… maybe he does over gas…..
Don't Forget
August 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
jm, while you’re giving Perry the credit for jobs, are you giving him blame for the debt?
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/07/12/3217429/texas-debt-growing-at-faster-rate.html
@@
August 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
Libya is a tribal nation……….time will tell which one’s prefer to be dominant vs part of a group.
The same could be said for the United States, compliments of the Democratic Party.
Identity politics…it’s all “the rage”.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
Re the first 11:25, more unprovoked personal insults.
Another day of hyper-hypocrisy at Bookman’s…
I do think the assertion that there are those who will denounce any move by the president is irrefutable.
The duplicity is palpable…
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
Normal
“Yeah GLL, let’s do the twist.”
There’s those riveting debate skills that I knew you had.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
Bro 11:36 more denial
TX population has grown by over 21% through 2011. So they’re getting more efficient on a per capita basis. Get the facts man.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
Let’s twist again…
…and what’s with the kadaffi love? Are you loving him?
Paulo977
August 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
And while we are focussing on Libya this is happening in our backyard in DEKALB
http://www.ajc.com/news/redistricting-101-1107755.html
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
jm
Quit while you’re behind. You’re attacking a messenger that’s not even in the fight. You keep mentioning MSNBC, but I don’t even watch that channel. You can’t argue with the numbers I pulled from the WaPo. They got their numbers from the BLS.
LONGVIEW, Tex. — Texas Gov. Rick Perry has leapfrogged to the top tier of Republican presidential candidates largely on the strength of one compelling fact: During more than a decade as governor, his state created more than 1 million jobs, while the nation as a whole lost 1.4 million jobs.
Perry says the “Texas miracle” rests on conservative pillars that he would bring to the White House: minimal regulation and government, low taxes and a determination to limit the reach of Uncle Sam.
What he does not say is that much of that job growth has come because of government, not in spite of it.
With a young and fast-growing population, a large and expanding military presence and an influx of federal stimulus money, the number of government jobs in Texas has grown at more than double the rate of private-sector employment during Perry’s tenure.
The disparity has grown sharper since the national recession hit. Between December 2007 and last June, private-sector employment in Texas declined by 0.6 percent while public-sector jobs increased by 6.4 percent, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. Overall, government employees account for about one-sixth of the workforce in Texas.
[...]
Analysts call the growth in government employment in Texas a natural consequence of the surging population, which has grown by more than 20 percent in the past decade to 25.1 million. The increase has caused local governments and school systems to hire more teachers, budget analysts, compliance officers and police officers.
“A lot of growth has been happening in the public sector to respond to a growing population,” said Don Baylor Jr., a senior policy analyst with the Center for Public Policy Priorities, a research and advocacy group in Austin. “That has been an ongoing driver of our job growth.”
Baylor warned that the growth in government jobs may shortly come to an abrupt halt when state budget cuts take effect this year. In July, a dip in government jobs contributed to a spike in the state’s unemployment rate, which went from 8.2 percent to 8.4 percent.
“I think we are about to find out what the jobs picture looks like” without growth in the public sector, Baylor said.
Watch how TX starts to look like GA when those public sector jobs start getting cut. Remember GA’s unemployment went up in July due to loss of public sector jobs. Keep sniffing the stuff they sell on that blog you keep referring to. It must be the conservative equivalent of MSNBC, since you keep mentioning it. When you’re done sniffing it, I’ll help you find a 12 step recovery program so you can join the real world.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
No @@,
We have the pocs (party over country) vs the Real Americans( country over party).
Not tribal.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
11:43 am
Oh, and one more point, Brosephus.
Teachers, police and fire fighters are largely LOCAL decisions, not state decisions, so trying to pin THOSE on a Governor of ANY state is simply wrong.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:43 am
Bro, seriously, you’re too ignorant about this stuff. Go learn some things first.
“Even TX’s nonfarm job growth wasn’t at the same pace of it’s government growth.”
Um, Bro. “non farm” includes “government” jobs. You really don’t get this so I’ll try to stop explaining it to you.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 22nd, 2011
11:43 am
“I admit, seeing the cons do backflips in order to give ANYONE credit except Obama is hilarious.”
What really is hilarious are Democrats choosing what he does and doesn’t get credit for. If it’s something bad he doesn’t get the credit, if it’s good he gets the credit. Come on, I don’t think there are many things going on that Obama actually wants any credit for…
If someone wants to give Obama credit for Libya that truly is hysterical…
WOODSTOCK MIKE
August 22nd, 2011
11:45 am
“The majority of economists surveyed by the National Association for Business Economics believe that the federal deficit should be reduced only or primarily through spending cuts.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44226011
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:45 am
Lets take McCain for example.
He said daffy is gone and assad is next.
Real American.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:45 am
Bro SoCo, you’re too ignorant and I’m too unhinged to stack up against the self-proclaimed know-it-alls!
Hilarious…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
GLL
Gotta watch the timeline.
Spkr Boehner was for Pres Obama’s action in Libya before he was against it.
Bottom line: Congress did not impede the President’s actions in Libya. They had multiple opportunities to bring our participation to a close and they chose not to; therefore, they supported the President.
Darwin
August 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
Gosh Jay. You almost sound like W.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
getalife, one of two Republican men of valor and honor. (Hagel being the other.)
No wonder the neo-cons abhor them both…
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
Oops forgot my “B”.
A – We weren’t talking about OCCUPATION of Libya — you asked me why I was opposed to helping to REBUILD Libya — not occupy it.
B – We were not at war with Libya, so why must we rebuild it? Especially when Libya has the funds to rebuild itself?
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:48 am
SoCoBro – pesky things, facts … they keep getting in the way of jm’s argument …
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:48 am
So, the speaker’s words were poc but his action was real American.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
11:48 am
Awwww. Wittle AmVet doesn’t wike it when the tables are turned on her . . .
In Amvet’s world, Americans are supposed to be taxed at the Federal level, yet are not supposed to dare ask for any of that back if their state is run by a Republican.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
Y’all can argue over categories of job growth, but overall, Texas job growth rate compared to overall country is pretty consistent for over 20 years, beginning with Gov Ann Richards
A Democrat.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
Tanisha: Everyone will have to toe the theocratic line, and women will have about as many rights as livestock.”
If that is their choice, as it was originally in Iran after the religious coupe in the 80’s, then it’s their choice. We are not their daddies.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:51 am
AmVet,
McCain never met a war he did not support.
Even Clintons victories.
I think our President should use his country over party talking point.
It fits this issue.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
Paul – oh, how we miss Gov Ann!
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:54 am
dave,
Jay’s new rule is talk about this issues and not other bloggers.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
11:54 am
Dave
I mentioned them, but that job creation isn’t limited to those positions alone. That would not account for a 19% increase in government jobs in a decade. You can’t hire that many teachers, firefighters, and policemen. I think there’s a definite distinction between an EFFECTIVE government, BIG government, and SMALL government. Your point on a limited government is one well made. However, the rhetoric doesn’t always request limited government. The only ones who do are the ones who actually know what they’re talking about, and that group is smaller than the group always chanting against big government.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
11:56 am
USinUK
She was a pistol, all right.
The issue I have with Gov Perry (aside from the fact he has no honor, is a liar and is a coward) is how his actions are so at odds with his rhetoric. The only thing more embarrassing, as a Texan, is that so many other Texans fall for it.
My sister made an astute observation (gotta give proper attribution): many, many, many Texans vote for the Republican, period. End of discussion.
@@
August 22nd, 2011
11:56 am
Getalife:
Not tribal?
Yes we are.
We have the pocs (party over country) vs the Real Americans( country over party).
In the “interest” of politicians and politics, we have hyphenated Americans.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
Tick, tick, tick.
LOL.
Debbie, up until the torturous (get it?) Bush regime, the USA had always (at least ostensibly) taken the high road. Lincoln pardoned the traitorous rebels and let them go home as free fellow countrymen. Truman airlifted Berlin back into the 20th century.
But that changed with the neo-con’s War on Terror, when the quasi-fascists were running the show…
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
Paul – 11:56 – “(aside from the fact he has no honor, is a liar and is a coward)”
don’t hold back – tell us how you really feel
as far as your sister’s observation, that doesn’t just apply to Texans …
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm
@@,
Basically, it is patriotism.
poc is not very patriotic.
No tribes just patriotism.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm
AmVet: But that changed with the neo-con’s War on Terror, when the quasi-fascists were running the show…
That’s because they fancied themselves as real life “Men Of Action” even though the most action any of them saw was dodging the draft or by dodging National Guard Duties. They had real military who had seen action and knew the costs of war, however, they didn’t wish to listen to them. After all, what did THEY know?
Jefferson
August 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
What happens depends on if the lobbists for the GOP wants to control the oil and money and who they will buy to do it.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
But in the short term it’s certainly good news that Ghadafi appears to be on the way out. And it will be comical to watch the right pretend that Obama played no role in what’s happening, though the question of whether Obama has been vindicated seems petty compared to the challenges that the Libyan transitional government will face in the future.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-rights-bizarre-response-to-libya-events/2011/03/04/gIQAPprNWJ_blog.html?hpid=z3
Latifah
August 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
“This is something different, a genuine movement, a rising up of the people”
Jay, ever the starry eyed dreamer. Sure, the unwashed Libyan masses will have their brief moment of celebration, and then the next tyrant will step in to replace Gadhifi. That’s the way it always proceeds. I fear the U.S. and NATO have (again) destabilized the government of a strategically important country.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
12:03 pm
Figured Paul and others might enjoy pondering this question, culled from the WaPo’s comments:
“Is Perry too stupid to understand his own book?”
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:03 pm
If daffy won, would the pocs blame Obama?
You betcha
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
12:04 pm
jm
When you can’t debate without attacking the messenger, you’ve already admitted defeat. Just be honest with yourself. I have yet to call you any adjective, however, I’ve responded to every post you’ve put up. The argument isn’t about you and I, it’s about TX.
TX population has grown by over 21% through 2011. So they’re getting more efficient on a per capita basis. Get the facts man.
As I said earlier about the Fed level, federal employment is the same as it was during Reagan’s administration. You and other conservatives claim we have too many federal employees. US population has grown since 1980, but fed employment is the same. If you’re saying it’s ok for TX to grow public sector jobs and it’s still more efficient on a per capita basis, where’s that analysis on the Fed level?
My point IS and always WILL BE, if you’re touting TX as a job creation model, you’re championing government job growth as a part of the overall economic model. Otherwise, you’re being dishonest with yourself. I was throwing hyperbole in with the championing Big Government thing, but on a serious note, you can’t say TX is good out of one side of your mouth, and then complain about fed jobs out of the other. My point is much bigger than TX which is why I think the whole swooning over TX is much ado about nothing.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
Keep kicking the tires on perry.
The facts on perry are ugly.
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
An awful lot of variables goes into job creation by State……..one happens to be cost of living…..TX has a fairly constant rate compared to some others…….CA, NJ, NY etc………one must look at the totality of the picture…………….
Steve - B.
August 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
It’s just a pet peeve of mine but why do people make posts that have nothing to do with the article that Jay wrote. Is there a law that certain people can’t just take the day off and not post instead of pushing their agenda?
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
Paul
I have no problem with TX’s job creation rate at all. I think it’s great. My problem is with the people who trot it out as some private sector double-sided dildo to satisfy everything we need without crediting the public sector side of their job growth as well. We, as a country, are in the negotiation stages of cutting jobs on the Fed level. If TX’s model is something that people want to emulate on the national stage, then cutting fed jobs now run counter to that model. When Fed jobs have remained virtually constant over the past 30 years when compared to population growth, that’s opposite what TX has done over the decade that’s getting people all so excited.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
“I was throwing hyperbole in with the championing Big Government thing, but on a serious note, you can’t say TX is good out of one side of your mouth, and then complain about fed jobs out of the other.”
Actually, you can, Brosephus.
Te closer you get to the local level, the closer you are to providing jobs that have direct benefit to the people they are supposed to serve. In addition, local governments are largely more efficient than the Federal government.
That being said, the rate of Federal government growth should be slower than the rate of local government.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
“When you can’t debate without attacking the messenger, you’ve already admitted defeat.”
Hear, hear!
Debbie, and why they’ve earned the label of chickenhawks.
Bravery by proxy.
And given the chance, they’d likely get us into another contrived, deadly quagmire as soon as they could…
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
I have no problem giving Obama his due in Libya………but in the same breath, I must also give credit to the NATO countries that stepped forward……..amazing what they can do when THEIR oil is threatened……….too bad they bailed on their duties in Afghanistan………..
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:11 pm
Steve,
Lets stay with the issues and not other bloggers.
Thanks.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
12:11 pm
sfd
Sounds a little harsh.
But, in answer, yeah…….
Don’t know if it’s ’stupid’ or an inability or unwillingnes to see how things are related, to acknowledge consistency in ideas, how ideas may pan out a few years’ down the road. He strikes me as a very ‘in the moment’ person. He’s a great campaigner, he can pull in megabucks, he can connect with a crowd.
But that does not mean he would make a good president.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:12 pm
I fear the U.S. and NATO have (again) destabilized the government of a strategically important country.
Again, the PEOPLE of Libya demanded Gadhafi’s outster. G didn’t want to go. He attacked the demonstrators asking him to leave. The demonstrators fought back. G sent in his troops. The demonstrators picked up arms. The UN warned G not to fire upon his people or the UN would step in. G didn’t listen. The UN stepped in to provide air strikes to help people who already wanted their leader OUT.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
getalife,
You might like this…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/22/political-pictures-rick-perry-i-like-to-think-of-jesus-as-an-ice-dancer/
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
Steve, An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things.
We are a bunch of unherdable cats…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8
Steve - B.
August 22nd, 2011
12:15 pm
‘getalife’ – That was my whole point. Can’t we discuss the article at hand rather the same people taking having a spitball contest? The article is the issue.
Thanks.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:16 pm
Funny Normal,
It looks like they use old grease on those corn dogs.
I bake mine.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:17 pm
Steve,
Another huge accomplishment for our President.
There ya go.
Steve - B.
August 22nd, 2011
12:17 pm
Amvet – Point taken.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
12:18 pm
Brosephus 12:10
Well said.
And if states want to replicate Texas, they need to bring in, as you said, government jobs as well as oil and gas, military installations, health care, to name a few.
But Texas has taken a consistent position of not regulating to the point of absurdity. Read of one CA company, owner wanted to put a cover over his company’s sidewalk leading to the street. Pictured one of those canvas things. State’s requirement would have cost $700,000. He relocated to Texas, where it was pretty much left up to local codes.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
12:18 pm
Te closer you get to the local level, the closer you are to providing jobs that have direct benefit to the people they are supposed to serve. In addition, local governments are largely more efficient than the Federal government.
Dude, don’t bogart that joint you’re tokin’!!! Are you saying that my job doesn’t have a direct benefit to the people I serve?
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
12:18 pm
“Can’t we discuss the article at hand rather the same people taking having a spitball contest?”
In reality? No. If it gets too out of hand Jay will step in. But generally, he runs a pretty “loose” operation.
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:19 pm
“The UN warned G not to fire upon his people or the UN would step in. G didn’t listen. The UN stepped in to provide air strikes to help people who already wanted their leader OUT.”
Which happens to be part of the problem………..I have problems with a UN (NATO,EU,US) that picks and choosers which lives to save………….at the moment, Libyans are worth more than Syrians………
Steve - B.
August 22nd, 2011
12:20 pm
‘getalife’,
I would say great strategy by the President and a huge accomplishment by the Rebels.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:20 pm
FYI, Jay posted a new rule late last night.
Talk about the issues and not other bloggers.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:21 pm
That being said, the rate of Federal government growth should be slower than the rate of local government.
AmVet: Bravery by proxy.
And given the chance, they’d likely get us into another contrived, deadly quagmire as soon as they could…
If Obama looses in 2012, watch for a push for a war in Libya. It’s going to be billed as “Freeing Libya From Tyranny” or “Pre-Emptive Strike Against AlQueada”; but what’s really going to be happening is that Shell, BP, Exxon, etc. will become the new tyrants, while they litter the landscape with more American soldiers’ and indigent citizens’ lives all in the name of their real god, Money.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
12:21 pm
Paul
I’ve been reading on Texas in regards to regulations and such. As there are still vast stretches of nothingness in Texas, they can get away with that with no major negative effects. I’m willing to wager that there will be talk of changing things in relation to water after your drought is broken. One of those 20/20 hindsight moments. I’m not saying there will be huge regulatory changes, but the non chalant approach might get a bit of a body check.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:23 pm
Steve,
Fair enough.
Everybody in Libya are armed like Americans and all that was needed was a spark and not a occupation.
They asked for our help and promised to pay us back for the costs.
RB from Gwinnett
August 22nd, 2011
12:23 pm
“We have the pocs (party over country) vs the Real Americans( country over party).”
The problem with all this POC nonsense, getaclue, is that the only things you consider to be COP are things you agree with which are entirely waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far left leaning liberal on the fine line of communism. You whine about people are are single minded, yet you are very much that yourself.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
12:23 pm
stands for decibels
I thought this was a pretty clever review of Gov Perry’s “Fed Up” on Barnes and Noble:
“It’s great to see that Rick Perry has a book coming out. This means he has, in fact, been doing something during his time as Texas’s governor. While I look forward to learning why Rick Perry has been “fed up” with a federal government that bailed him out some $12 billion dollars, I find myself wondering if the table of contents will list these chapters: “The $18 Billion Deficit: How I doubled state debt while not working”; “Get Rich Quick: The art of getting cash from your friends and donors without the FBI getting involved”; “Get Rich Quick Pt. II: A primer in illicit land sales”; “HPV and Me: The virtues of unilateral mandates for 6th grade girls that benefit your lobbyist chief of staff”; “Socratic Nothing: How I learned to stop worrying and avoid answering questions”. If, to my disappointment, these sections are not included, I suggest that Barnes & Noble reclassify Fed Up as a work of fiction. ”
Except he forgot the largest gov’t land grab in Texas’s recent history and how that squared with big guvmint vs homeowners -
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
“getalife’ – That was my whole point. Can’t we discuss the article at hand rather the same people taking having a spitball contest? The article is the issue.”
This is a “liberal” blog site………..we are free to do our own thing………
And we pretty much do……within reason.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
getallife – 12:03 – heads, I win … tails, you lose
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
12:25 pm
Doggone, and as far as I know, our lips haven’t sunk any ships yet!
I wonder if the kids in Tripoli listened to this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imb4tYOk8GE
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:26 pm
RB,
Issues are not about me.
Thanks.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
12:27 pm
md
“.I have problems with a UN (NATO,EU,US) that picks and choosers which lives to save………….at the moment, Libyans are worth more than Syrians………”
But isn’t that the nature of reality?
One may be in favor of ‘protecting’ populations, but the regime’s ability to inflict damage on the US makes it not worth the cost (North Korea).
Or, one may find a situation where, for little risk to life and treasury, momentous results can be achieved.
So it’s not about one life being worth more than another, it’s more about what saving one life will bring down on us, compared to another.
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm
“If Obama looses in 2012, watch for a push for a war in Libya.”
Considering the majority of that oil goes to Europe, you may be right. But it will be the EU finally getting off their duff to protect their economies…………..which are on the verge of disaster with all the weak sisters they are trying to support…………………
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
12:29 pm
On topic:
I applaud the people of Libya for doing what they are doing to try to remove their leader. As I said from the outset, freedom handed to someone on a silver platter will not really be freedom. That they have worked to earn that freedom themselves will make it mean that much more to them.
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
12:29 pm
Mary Elizabeth @ 9:26,
Is reading your own pap the highlight of your day?
I have a much better understanding now of your intellectual vanity.
How’s that for dealing with YOU um…. “laterally”? Consider yourself too far “above” such lowbrow screed to write back? I’ll bet you do.
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
12:29 pm
FYI, Jay posted a new rule late last night.
Talk about the issues and not other bloggers.
NOW I know why my ears kept ringing thru the night!!!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
“Are you saying that my job doesn’t have a direct benefit to the people I serve?”
Don’t know, since I am not a cyber-stalker who tries to find out from everyone what they do. But if you are in a public safety role, as I suspect you are due to your posts, then you are more likely to have direct benefit to the people you serve.
If you’re an an Undersecretary to the Secretary of the Dept. of (fill in the blank), then no, you don’t.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
AmVet – nah – it was this (funky beat … disturbing lyrics)
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
“So it’s not about one life being worth more than another, it’s more about what saving one life will bring down on us, compared to another.”
That’s because in that “reality”, we are the UN and NATO……………………………………
Share that burden with the rest of the UN…..as it should be…..and we may have a very different reality.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
or, I could add the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ&ob=av3e
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:31 pm
md: Which happens to be part of the problem………..I have problems with a UN (NATO,EU,US) that picks and choosers which lives to save………….at the moment, Libyans are worth more than Syrians………
It makes me ill too. When the genocide in Rwanda happened, the UN didn’t authorize air strikes — the cynical part of me believes that the reason why they didn’t was because there wasn’t any GAIN (read – money), to be made out of the deal.
However, with the vast amount of money (oil) in Libya, the UN felt it was their duty to intervene on the “rebels” behalf. Classic!!
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:31 pm
More proof Iraq was a costly mistake.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
12:32 pm
The mere fact that getaclue is attempting to be blog monitor is laughable.
If he wasn’t a liberal, Jay would have booted him months ago.
DawgDad
August 22nd, 2011
12:33 pm
Many of you posters are demonstrating why I strongly prefer very limited central government.
As for the G-thug in Libya, hope his days are over; whatever measure of justice this is for him it’s far too soft and far too late.
The left and the Dems should be very careful about claiming a “victory”. Doing so, they own everything that goes wrong in the aftermatch, ala “Mission Accomplished”. I have no problem giving the Administration their due on the handling of the situation, but it’s too early to say whether or not their chosen level of involvement was appropriate.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:34 pm
Midori,
Yeah, they were talking about you and he stepped in.
Jay is a nice guy with a lot of patience.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
There ya go again dave.
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
Getalife,
I’m not even going back to look.
Just goes to show they can dish it out but can’t take it.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
Paul: So it’s not about one life being worth more than another, it’s more about what saving one life will bring down on us, compared to another.
Tell that to the Rwandans.
md: Considering the majority of that oil goes to Europe, you may be right. But it will be the EU finally getting off their duff to protect their economies…………
Good point.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:38 pm
Debbie,
They sell that oil to Europe so they took the lead.
They owe us about 1.1 billion so the President can use their oil to replace the reserves.
Oil should drop now.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
12:38 pm
DDR
Pres Clinton called that one of his biggest mistakes.
We should learn from our mistakes, not repeat them.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
12:38 pm
PHOTOS: Libyans Applaud President Obama And International Allies With Large Thank You Sign
Libyans, you are very welcome.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
12:40 pm
Paul, similar merriment can be found in the Amazon 1-star reviews.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
12:40 pm
GG – WOW! thanks for sharing
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
12:40 pm
dang Mrs G!!!
you’re gonna make me change my wallpaper
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
GG 12.28, that’s actually *not* photoshopped, is it?
huh. go figger.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
That is awesome GG.
Thanks.
RB from Gwinnett
August 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
Anybody suppose the people of N. Korea, Cuba, China, and Iran would like a little help getting rid of their governmental problems?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
Granny, that is a powerful photo. They look euphoric.
Thanks for sharing it…
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
“Anybody suppose the people of N. Korea, Cuba, China, and Iran would like a little help getting rid of their governmental problems?”
Have they asked for help?
BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS
August 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
as soon as the dirty work is done, chine and russia will flood in and fill the government void
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm
getalife: They owe us about 1.1 billion so the President can use their oil to replace the reserves.
How? There isn’t any “government” ob Libya to make a deal like that; and who’s to say any upcoming government would agree to such a deal?
Paul: Pres Clinton called that one of his biggest mistakes. We should learn from our mistakes, not repeat them.
I don’t see the correlation between Rwanda (Mass Genocides) and Libya (the ousting of Gadhafi); except that the UN felt compelled to act in one case, but let hundreds of thousands of men, women and children die horrible deaths in another.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
12:47 pm
Anybody suppose the people of N. Korea, Cuba, China, and Iran would like a little help getting rid of their governmental problems?”
Probably so, but they should get the ball rolling first don’t ya’ think?
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
Meanwhile, Richard Perle, at last report, still waiting on that George W. Bush square in Baghdad.
Come on Iraqis. Richie turns 70 next month. How long must he endure this hardship?
Where’s the love? where’s the gratitude? What’s wrong with you people?
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
“More proof Iraq was a costly mistake.”
Highly debatable………….interesting that when the war started, it was “all about the oil”……..in reality, it very well may have been……….but take out the word oil and replace it with economy, and who wants to bitch about it??
If that oil doesn’t go to market, or goes elsewhere, where would we be then??
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Stands!!
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
“How? There isn’t any “government” ob Libya to make a deal like that”
“Meanwhile, the United States has recognized the Transitional National Council as the legitimate governing authority in Libya”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/statement-of-president-barack-obama-on-libya/2011/08/21/gIQAC5yRVJ_story.html
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
12:50 pm
dB – you forgot the FLOWERS!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj10EzNKA2M
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
The “thank you” card was a nice touch, but any of you folks ever heard of the term “astroturfing”? It is entirely possible that American taxpayers helped pay for the sign (in addition to paying for the military assistance, which led to the sign). In the past the DoD would just look to Hollywood to assist with the sales pitch (The Green Berets, Top Gun, Rambo franchise, etc.), but now Hollywood is run by liberals (Avatar, The Hurt Locker) so it’s all about exploiting the new media.
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
Paulo977@11:15 a.m.
Beautiful. Thanks!
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
UnU, I’ll see your Streisand and raise you Little Tommy Friedman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwFaSpca_3Q
Never Forget! why we went into Eyerack in the first place!
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
12:55 pm
Well, folks, I understand your feeling about giving help to Libya once the rebels have complete control. Since they have oil wells galore, I suggest we send only a small committee of three to help them write their constitution. Other than that, nope.
Someone else asked about our worries for the people of Syria. We worry. Yes. But people do you not realize that TWELVE MILLION PEOPLE are facing alife threatening crisis–the worst drought in 60 years in East AFrica???? The drought has lasted so long, most of those people have lost everything they ever had.
Yesterday, I received pleas in the mail from Docs Without Borders and Lutheran World Relief. begging for more help in that area. The word from both is that 1300 more refugees arrive at the rescue camps EVERY DAY.. But, for example, the camps at Dadaab in northeatern Kenya were built for 90,000 people. Already more than 400,000 refugees are crammed into the camps. The camps in Ehtiopia are experiencing the same problems.
Refugees are sometimes walking 60 miles to get to these campsl They arrive starved, sick, with no belongings. Many of them, especially children, die on the way.
The aid agencies I mentioned are already doing all they can but are almost overwhelmed. I hope you will read the notices from aid agencies on google and do what you can.
All I have read have come to this conclusion: The drought in east Africa is now the most severe humanitarian emergency in the world. Each day it becomes worse.
Let us please consider THAT.
md
August 22nd, 2011
12:56 pm
“Probably so, but they should get the ball rolling first don’t ya’ think?”
I believe the Iranians tried……..and died. Same for the Syrians……..and the Cubans have been dieing on the high seas for decades…………..
And then we did have the Tienanmen massacre……………and Tibet…………………..
The North Koreans just die from starvation and nobody knows about it……………….
El Jefe
August 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
it is still fundamentally wrong to be involved in Libya. There is no responsibility to protect a foreign people from their own dictators. As much as we can see the right of the fight, it is up to “the people” to take care of their depots.
Using the Obama “Responsibility to Protect” doctrine the UN could come in and “protect” the illegals and any other “oppressed” minority within our borders.
Along with good intentions, this is a very slippery slope.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
“I believe the Iranians tried……..and died”
Yes, they did. Because we told them to go for it, we’d support them. And when they did, we dropped them like a hot potato.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm
The Transitional National Council Of Libya:
The council has so far been officially recognized as the legitimate governing authority in Libya until an interim authority is in place.
Ok. But will the people of Libya, after rebuilding their country, thank a transistional government for making deals on their behalf that takes money out of their coffers at a critical time in their national infancy?
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm
Oops! sorry ’bout that. Got Iran and Iraq mixed up!
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
“it is still fundamentally wrong to be involved in Libya”
As it is fundamentally wrong to be involved in Iraq
@@
August 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
Getalife:
Jay is a nice guy with a lot of patience.
jay leads the parade of gossipers then tells others not to engage.
Case in point?
I’m not sure that Scout fellow fully grasps the notions of self-determination and self-government.
In response, some on his team joined the parade.
jay, up front in his white hat.
schnirt
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
“But will the people of Libya, after rebuilding their country, thank a transistional government for making deals on their behalf that takes money out of their coffers at a critical time in their national infancy?”
I guess you’ll have to ask them.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
Subject: Fwd: History Lesson on Your Social Security Card – FYI
History Lesson on Your Social Security Card
Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn’t know this.
It’s easy to check out, if you don’t believe it. Be sure and show it to your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what’s what and it doesn’t matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are Facts.
Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.
http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/social+security.gif
An old Social Security card with the “NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION” message.
Our Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,
No longer Voluntary
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program ,
Now 7.65%
on the first $90,000
3.) That the money the participants elected to put
into the Program would be deductible from
their income for tax purposes each year,
No longer tax deductible
4.) That the money the participants put into the
independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the
general operating fund, and therefore, would
only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and,
Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed
as income.
Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed
Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
now receiving a Social Security check every month —
and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘put
away’ — you may be interested in the following:
———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —-
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the
general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically
controlled House and Senate.
———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —
Q: W hich Political Party eliminated the income tax
deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The Democratic Party.
———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —–
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the
‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the
Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –
Q: Which Political Party decided to start
giving annuity payments to immigrants?
AND MY FAVORITE:
A: That’s right!
Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The
Democratic Party gave these payments to them,
even tough they never paid a dime into it!
———— — ———— ——— —– ———— ——— ———
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want
to take your Social Security away!
And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!
If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
awareness will be planted and maybe changes will
evolve.
But it’s worth a try.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
Dusty
White House announces $105 million in Africa aid
President Barack Obama has approved $105 million for humanitarian efforts in the Horn of Africa to combat worsening drought and famine.
FACEBOOK ACTIVITY The Associated Press
Published: 08/08/1112:45 pm
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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has approved $105 million for humanitarian efforts in the Horn of Africa to combat worsening drought and famine.
White House press secretary Jay Carney says the money will help provide food, shelter, water, and sanitation and health services to those in need.
It comes amid growing concern over the situation and increased U.S. focus. The United Nations has declared famine affects five regions in Somalia, and thousands are fleeing to seek refuge in Kenya and Ethiopia, which are also affected by the worst drought in East Africa in 60 years.
Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/08/08/1775346/white-house-announces-105-million.html#ixzz1VmI1LXXD
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
dB – 12:54 – awww … LittleTommy “6 more months” Friedman … I’d nearly forgotten him.
it’s amazing that 1 person can be so incredibly WRONG.
GT
August 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
This is not Iraq and us dancing on an aircraft carrier declaring our victory. This is a grass root rebellion by the people of this country. The “tune” you heard before was the racket from the shock and aw boys in the previous administration. No cause was too expensive and a lot of that expense went into the pockets of Halliburton and the defense industry which had strong relationships with the Bushes and Chaney. The haters will never give Obama credit for doing it right. They are so busy trying to blow up this economy they probably haven’t noticed yet. What will happen here is more oil in friendly hands not controlled by the Texas mafia or Arab dictators. Oil prices are and will go down, that along will help the economy more than any one move by the White House. Since this is controlled from within this country by Libyans, not by opportunist with selfish interest, it will be very hard for politicians from the Tea Party to wreak this supply line, or even commodity dealers getting rich on Wall Street. Nope this is a clever move by a clever man that will help this nation as much as Iraq hurt it. No underestimating the enemy or over estimating our forces, no billions of dollars trying to get out of somewhere we were never wanted in the first place. Watch the spin as the spinners start running out of yarn. This is a depressing day for man terrorist and unfortunately for many Americans whose are hope to buy short American’s future for their own personal gains.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
Dave @ 12:30
Gotcha, and I understand your point better. You get no disagreement with me there.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
“jay leads the parade of gossipers then tells others not to engage.”
blogger is ready when you are.
this is jay’s house – you can go elsewhere if he so offends your delicate sensitivities
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
md, I guess you slept through ECON 101. the oil (Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, AND Libya; which is a distant 4th to the other three in terms of production) DOES ‘go to market’ and you know how it goes to market? some dipsh*t commodities trader with Goldman Sachs or Dreyfus or some other oligarch “speculates” and bids a price and viola’ John Q. Public pays it. please do your homework. most economists believe that 75% of the increas in oil from $55/brl to $105/brl (let’s say 75% of $50, which we know from Math = $37.50 goes DIRECTLY to the trader (whom, in out Alice in Wonderland world; assumed the “risk” when placing the bid). you can pretty much bank (Wall Street does) that EVERY major military engagement from 1980 (end of Carter adm) will concern oil; and any that do not (can you say; Afghanistan?); will concern the transportation of oil or some other commodity (minerals, water, etc.). of course, we gin it all up as Islam vs. the West, but where do you think bin Laden and all these “terrorists” get their money?
carlosgvv
August 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
stands for decibles
It was Winston Churchill who, talking about certain Arab States, said “ingratitude is the word”.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
1:03 pm
Doggone,
“it is still fundamentally wrong to be involved in Libya”
“As it is fundamentally wrong to be involved in Iraq”
Let’s add Afghanistan to that also.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
1:04 pm
“Let’s add Afghanistan to that also”
Certainly, but at LEAST we had a legitimate reason for getting involved in Afghanistan. I think we mishandled it, but at least we did have a reason.
El Jefe
August 22nd, 2011
1:04 pm
Doggone/GA,
You mean beside violating numerous UN resolutions and sanctions? Giving aid and comfort to people at war with the US?
In Iraq, we had the UN on our side and we sent in our own servicemen. In Libya, we decided to sit back and lob bombs.
Libya was a bad move by a President that is more involved in the WORLD, then his own country. He has given flood aid to North Korea while New England is ravaged with floods. He is helping the starving people of Somalia while his people are starving.
Go figure – lets help everyone else but ourselves.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
Joe the Plutocrat
I admit it.
I lent then my sharpie.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
“You mean beside violating numerous UN resolutions and sanctions?”
If we invaded every country that did that we’d be in virtually every country in the world. Can a country invade itself for UN reasons:
” Giving aid and comfort to people at war with the US?”
Got ANY proof of that? Any at all?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm
Jay’s new rule is talk about this issues and not other bloggers.
+++++++++++++++++
Paulie want a cracker?
RB from Gwinnett
August 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm
“Probably so, but they should get the ball rolling first don’t ya’ think?”
Would you be the first to run out in the street to throw rocks at the troops armed with the latest Russian made weapons? And if you did and failed, do you think the government owned media would let the story out to the world? Nope!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm
We all know that a certain nation is taught to be absolutely despised by the neo-con ideology, but I think the ungrateful Francophobes are forgetting their history…
http://tinyurl.com/yklrnc
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm
Lets stay with the issues and not other bloggers
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Paulie want another cracker?
@@
August 22nd, 2011
1:09 pm
this is jay’s house – you can go elsewhere if he so offends your delicate sensitivities
Not offended.
jay, followed by his tooters.
SCHNIRT!!!!
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
Jay,
Gadafi’s ouster, while an ostensible positive step for the world, it was actually organized by a furtive secret cabal of rich liberals in a smoke-filled room in Addis Ababa. Maybe you’ve heard of it in the kooky blogs?
It’s not PNAC. It’s PNIC; the Project for the New Islamic Century.
All LIBERALS and everyone else.
While blogging here and receiving your social security disability checks, you NEED to turn on the Rush Limbaugh show right now! Rush is not on, but Mark Steyn IS on. Currently he’s talking about his new book. If you don’t want to hear that, wait until 2:00 and turn on again.
He is the wittiest man in journalism/entertainment–better even than Dennis Miller. Way way way better than Colbert/Maher/Stewart.
Enjoy.
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
1:11 pm
Talk about the issues and not other bloggers.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Paulie is gonna get fat from all the crackers today.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
1:11 pm
EJ: Using the Obama “Responsibility to Protect” doctrine the UN could come in and “protect” the illegals and any other “oppressed” minority within our borders.
IMO only if there’s “gain”.
Along with good intentions, this is a very slippery slope.
Perhaps.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
1:12 pm
“We all know that a certain nation is taught to be absolutely despised by the neo-con ideology, but I think the ungrateful Francophobes are forgetting their history…”
Yes, and we also know the REASONS why they helped us out over 230 years ago, and we also know that time does not stand still, and that nations change in 230 years.
And we also know that France, as in many other nations but even more so with them, act in France’s bests interests always.
Care to make another useless point?
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
1:13 pm
“He is the wittiest man in journalism/entertainment–better even than Dennis Miller”
keep your standards low and you’ll never be disappointed
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
1:14 pm
RB from Gwinnett says
Would you be the first to run out in the street to throw rocks at the troops armed with the latest Russian made weapons? And if you did and failed, do you think the government owned media would let the story out to the world? Nope!
correction – oh hell yes – to defend my home and family and precious Baby G in a heartbeat…and it would be more than rocks….
and you would be where when your family and home needed to be defended?
cowering somewhere?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
1:15 pm
here’s an atypical rumination from yours truly. it seems to me that ALL governments and as such ALL wars are about control (people, resources, whatever). while I reject the spin of “Arab spring” (is that a soap for people in the Middle East?) I do find a certain irony in the fact that the “terrorists” infultrated our homeland via universities and in some instances assimilated (if you believe in “cells”). they communicated and much of their logistical operations came via technology and the new media (internet chat rooms, ATM networks, etc.). isn’t it ironic that the recent counter-strike has benefited from technology, the new media, and perhaps, even the education and indoctrination of Arab students in American/Western universities. in short; they came home and demanded; “I want my MTV” (hyperbole, of course). if you read some of the less “mainstream” media, you will find the DoD and the rest of the alphabetically oriented custodians of our freedom have entire “units” dedicated to counter-terrorism and insurgency incubation at the “internet level” (we used to send radio signals through the Iron Curtain (Voice of America). now we “astroturf” al Qeada chat rooms and incite “flash mobs” in Tripoli (theoretically, of course). at the end of the day; the Lbyans still have a lot on their plate, because it is not possible to form a truly democratic government when you’re sitting a top oil. how does one say “good luck” in Arabic?
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
1:15 pm
Jay,
There is no talking about the issues on your blog. This “issue” is really just hard news. Where’s the controversy? Where’s the base for discussion?
My (banal) comment on point: Gee, I really do hope and pray to my pagan god that the Libyan people will be inspired by the leadership of Barack Obama and establish a democratic republic where people and animals of all sexual orientations may feel welcome to receive government largesse based on the European socialist model. How good for them!
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
Grany, I thought I detected your unique narrative voice in the poster… and your handwriting
Paulo977
August 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
USinUK
re: Flowers
Apart from anything else , I just love this duet by two talented human beings.
Thank you.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
1:18 pm
“how does one say “good luck” in Arabic?’
Insha Allah.
These “rebels” don’t believe in luck.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
1:18 pm
it’s amazing that 1 person can be so incredibly WRONG.
…and continue to be the toast of Washington, a regular guest on all the bobblehead shows, pulling down a nice base salary from the Times and god-knows-how much for his consulting, speaking, and book sales.
I think I’ll go open a major artery now.
Paulo977
August 22nd, 2011
1:21 pm
poison pen
“As it is fundamentally wrong to be involved in Iraq”
When did you change your tune on this?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm
Dave R, thanks. I trust you realized I was offering “luck” as per the task ahead (installing a government) and not the past (rebelling).
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm
Joe
The Palmer Method thanks you
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm
Granny, I thought so! Hope you didn’t learn to write at a “public” school.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
1:24 pm
It was Winston Churchill who, talking about certain Arab States, said “ingratitude is the word”.
Churchill!?! Talks of “ingratitude” the same way White South Afrikkans talked of the need for Apatheid. Wanting to OWN the rights to your own countries commodities is not ungracious — it’s common sense.
1901, when a wealthy Englishman, William Knox D’Arcy, ventured into the Iranian desert to search for oil.
For seven years, Mr D’Arcy battled with difficult terrain, an uncertain political situation and rising costs.
But in 1908 the venture found oil in southwest Persia. One year later, Anglo-Persian Oil was formed.
However, by then most of the company was owned by the Burmah Oil company.
Government backing
Shortly before World War I, Anglo-Persian managed to find a new backer – and good customer.
After lengthy negotiations, the oilmen promised Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty, secure supplies of oil.
In exchange the British government injected £2m of new capital into the company, acquired a controlling interest and became de-facto the hidden power behind the oil company.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
Joe
Learned to write at the kitchen table… later the Sisters with the aide of a standard 12 inch ruler made it neater.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
CG, spent grades 1 – 4 under the watchful eye of the Sisters of St. Joseph, but alas, my handwriting looks like a meth junkie’s EKG
@@
August 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the Iraqis want to extend the presence of U.S. troops into 2012 — but the Iraqi government in Baghdad said it has made no final decisions yet.
In an interview Friday with Military Times, Panetta said he viewed the Iraqis recent decision to begin formal discussions with the U.S. about a possible troop extension beyond December, the current withdrawal deadline, as a sign of Iraqi political support for U.S. forces to stay there in some capacity.
“My view is that they finally did say yes,” Panetta said. “There was unanimous consent among the key leaders of the country to go ahead and request that they negotiate on what a training presence would look like.”
But a spokesman in Baghdad said no deal has been finalized.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/08/military-panetta-iraq-says-still-no-decision-081911w/
But there’s one in the works? Does Obama know?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
…you NEED to turn on the Rush Limbaugh show right now!
You don’t have the authority to identify what it is that I NEED, sport.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Joe, I hope YOU realize that what these rebels are going to install will be as far from a government as we recognize it as Hope & Downgrade ™ is to a leader.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Joe
funny!
yuzeyurbrane
August 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
Americans have to get over the notion that we can micro-manage outcomes in revolutions. We can influence but not control these outcomes. Sorry cowboys, but the American Empire is over. Get over it. We can have a very nice country with reasonable opportunities and a decent living standard for all without the empire we can no longer afford.
GT
August 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
buck@gon, I believe you really do pray to a pagan god, it would explain your thought process. The “Barack Obama” behind clinged teeth, accent on the Barack as if that name alone is your problem which we all know is not true. The man is black too, so there are multi reasons to dislike this president in your sick mind. And those voices you hear that tell you about this New Islamic Century are as real as RL on your radio, we understand. What is not one of the reasons is Obama, if you will, being a liberal, but to crazy people all normal people look crazy, and to wingnuts anything left of J.B Stoner looks liberal, and crazy.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
“Sorry cowboys, but the American Empire is over. Get over it. We can have a very nice country with reasonable opportunities and a decent living standard for all without the empire we can no longer afford.”
I would submit that the newest residents of the 101st Chairborne would disagree with you.
@@
August 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
Obama doesn’t expect another recession
Another? We haven’t come out of the first one.
The new normal…a long and continuous recession.
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
GT,
I’d hate to be bothered by the notion that GT stands for Georgia Tech. Could you clear that up for me? A witless someone who employs such circular reasoning as you do, surely could not have graduated from a top five engineering school in the country, could he?
Anyway, to your uh, “point.”
It’s called SATIRE I wrote. Jay’s the one who writes about PNAC. Google PNAC and Bookman. You’ll find all of the kookiness referred to in your post and more. Limbaugh is very nearly mainstream accepted in America compared to the “democratic underground”. Talk about kooks!
Thanks for bringing all of this up. I’m sure Jay’s going to have to start taking his Prevacid for you having recalled it all for us.
Much appreciated!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
“In Iraq, we had the UN on our side…”
Nope, not so, El Jefe.
The United States Security Council had exactly three nations that supported our military intervention – the United Kingdom, Bulgaria and Spain.
France, Russia, China, Germany, Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Guinea, Mexico, Pakistan and Syria did not.
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
Kamchak ol’ chap,
As a witless and humorless dullard, you more than anyone else here ought to turn on Mark Steyn. If I can watch Colbert, Maher or Stewart, you can listen to Steyn without getting cooties. Get a laugh. Live a little.
Quit being so stiff.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
…you more than anyone else here ought to turn on Mark Steyn.
Can’t I just drive red-hot railroad spikes through my ears instead?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
Re the above, hence the “irrelevant UN” comment made by King George in 2003…
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
“I think I’ll go open a major artery now.”
Speaking of humorless liberals! Maybe we coin a new word: liberacidal.
Winston Churchill
August 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
1:24 pm
It was Winston Churchill who, talking about certain Arab States, said “ingratitude is the word”.
Churchill!?! Talks of “ingratitude” the same way White South Afrikkans talked of the need for Apatheid. Wanting to OWN the rights to your own countries commodities is not ungracious — it’s common sense.
Apartheid certainly was an evil system but its not as if everything that the European colonial powers brought to the middle east was bad. The Colonial European powers brought new infrastructure such as buildings, highways, modern plumbing, university systems. In other words they brought civilization to these backwards, ignorant, and impoverished peoples.
And in sub-Saharan Africa many of the natives didn’t even have a written language. That’s how backwards they were. Many didn’t have a numeral system or understand the concept of zero until the European powers brought a written language and math and science to them.
And of course when colonial powers left such as Belgium leaving west and central Africa or Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe what happened? The savages went right back to being savages with all the accompanying ignorance, tribal warfare, slaughter, and incivility- see Darfur, Rwanda, Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Uganda, and on and on.
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
spikes through ears, major arteries….
I’m seeing a pattern here….. hmmm
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
“The new normal…a long and continuous recession”
Hah! The only thing long and continous about me is NOT a recession!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
1:54 pm
There have been exactly three posters here who have made unprovoked personal insults to other bloggers today.
Only three that I can find.
Take a wild guess who they are…
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
1:56 pm
“Take a wild guess who they are”
The three “R’s”?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
1:56 pm
I’m seeing a pattern here….. hmmm
I doubt that you could see a pattern even if the entire Butterick catalog was stapled to your forehead. Just speculatin’.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
1:59 pm
Well, Granny reports that USA is giving money to help in the humanitarian crisis in East Africa. That is good. But every individual needs to consider taking part as this is such a montrous humanitarian problem.
I know it is hard to picture thousands of starving people walking in desert conditions for mile after mile with their little children and a few elders (those they did not have to leave behind to die). But picture it in hte housands and you have it. It is going to require more than government handouts from us. Individual responses are vital.
I won’t mention this any more but do read more and consider. Or put yourself in place of one of the refugees. It almost seems impossible but it is happening. To other human beings. In our world.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
1:59 pm
Paulo977
poison pen
“As it is fundamentally wrong to be involved in Iraq”
” When did you change your tune on this?”
Paulo, Please go back through all of Jay’s blogs and find one ( 1 ) just one where I said that I supported any of the 3 conflicts that we are in.
I’ll wait for your apology.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
“But every individual needs to consider taking part as this is such a montrous humanitarian problem. ”
And WHY do you assume that none of us HAVE?
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
“The new normal…a long and continuous recession”
” Hah! The only thing long and continous about me is NOT a recession! ”
Is it your nose?
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:02 pm
poison pen
“, Please go back through all of Jay’s blogs and find one ( 1 ) just one where I said that I supported any of the 3 conflicts that we are in.”
You thought we should not have attacked Afghanistan after 9-11?
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
2:02 pm
Gee, notice how Winston neatly ignores the extremely savage depredations of the “civilized” Belgians in the Congo, the atrocities of the French in Algeria and elsewhere, the role of the West in capturing millions of Africans for sale and use as slaves, etc.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
Can we get into mocking Muammar Gaddafi?
That is one goofy looking son of a gun….
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
Meanwhile there have been over a dozen posters on this site who have made unbelievably ignorant comments on this blog today.
The point being that nobody cares about you “unprovoked attacks”, AmVet.
Grow a pair.
And if you need some, Hillary has some you can borrow.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm
Winston Churchill, @ 1:50
May I suggest to you that you consider ALL others as human beings? We are not all alike but we are all human. So start from there and maybe you will get a different perspective.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
“the atrocities of the French in Algeria and elsewhere,’
But, but, according to some unprovoked posters on here, Jay, the French are oh so tres perfect!
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
Gee joe…………sure you didn’t skip econ 101 for howtobeanass 102?
Oil can only go to market if the owner of said oil decides to sell it……………
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
“Gee, notice how Winston neatly ignores the extremely savage depredations of the “civilized”…”
Anyone want to bet that if Winston is still around to see this ^ – it goes right over his head?
I only learned recently about the Belgian attrocities, and I’m not quite sure why…but they really made me feel sick. I guess I had a mistaken impression of Belgians being civlized. Turned out I was wrong.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
“Moammar Gadhafi is starting to sound a little crazy. Al-Jazeera canceled his show, ‘Two and a Half Shiites.’” –David Letterman
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm
you more than anyone else here ought to turn on Mark Steyn.
yep. I see that Rush’s guest-douchehole is doing his best to draw attention to himself…
Steyn Doesn’t Think Obama Has “Black Servants” In Martha’s Vineyard, Figures They’re Latino “Like Everyone Else['s]” In MA
Steyn: There’s “Something Latin American” About Obama “Walling Himself Off In His Compound” In MA
Awesome.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm
Paul or Paulo, Whoever you are, go back and find one ( 1 ) time that I said that we should be in a War.
Don’t flip it dude, you made a statement, now have the balls to back it up.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm
Poison,
We’ve met before?
Aquagirl
August 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
Many [Africans] didn’t have a numeral system or understand the concept of zero until the European powers brought a written language and math and science to them.
Yeah, they call it “Algebra” because it’s somehow connected to European algae. Or something.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
Doggone,
If you have already taken notice of the African disaster, that is good news. Just maybe some others have not heard. To them, I would supply some info.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
Doggone/GA
“Gee, notice how Winston neatly ignores the extremely savage depredations of the “civilized”…”
Anyone want to bet that if Winston is still around to see this ^ – it goes right over his head?
” I only learned recently about the Belgian attrocities, and I’m not quite sure why…but they really made me feel sick. I guess I had a mistaken impression of Belgians being civlized. Turned out I was wrong.”
Doggone, Are there any civilized countries?
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:11 pm
Granny
“Can we get into mocking Muammar Gaddafi?
That is one goofy looking son of a gun….”
“”It’s over, frizz-head,” chanted hundreds of jubilant men and women massed in Green Square, using a mocking nickname of the curly-haired Qaddafi. The revelers fired shots in the air, clapped and waved the rebels’ tricolor flag. Some set fire to the green flag of Qaddafi’s regime and shot holes in a poster with the leader’s image.”
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
2:13 pm
Churchill: The Colonial European powers brought new infrastructure such as buildings, highways,
Through traditional villages, temples and mosques….they didn’t care where they built them because the indigenious people’s rights/wants meant nothing to them…
modern plumbing, university systems.
They already had university systems — thanks for the plumbing though.
In other words they brought civilization to blah blah blah blah …….blah……blah…..
In other words they brought European civilization blah…blah…blah…blahh. Fixed that for ya!
And in sub-Saharan Africa many of the natives didn’t even have a written language.
And? They still had a language and an oral history.
Many didn’t have a numeral system or understand the concept of zero until the European powers brought a written language and math and science to them.
Google Timbuktu — then tell me what it says.
And of course when colonial powers left such as Belgium leaving west and central Africa or Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe what happened? blah…..blah……..blah……..blah………blah….
What happened is that they once again owned their own land and destiny.
School bell rings…… Class dismissed.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
Anybody else notice that only the sons have been captured, while the daughter and father have yet to be found?
Dumb by the former? Or smart by the latter?
Or both?
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
poison pen
My 2:02 was my first to you on the topic.
Just looking for clarification. If you didn’t support any of the three wars, does that mean you did not support attacking Afghanistan after 9-11? If not, why not?
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
Bookman,
There is hardly a country in the world that hasn’t had “atrocities” in its history. Almost every nationality can be reminded of their guilt, some more than others. But to constantly remind others of the atrocities and never the advancements, is a bit one sided. You would not be one sided , would you?
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
“The Duchy of Grand Fenwick decides that the only way to get out of their economic woes is to declare war on the United States, lose and accept foreign aid. They send an invasion force to New York (armed with longbows) which arrives during a nuclear drill that has cleared the streets. Wandering about to find someone to surrender to, they discover a scientist with a special ultimate weapon that can destroy the Earth. When they capture him and his bomb they are faced with a new possibility: What do you do when you win a war?”
Anybody remember this one? “The Mouse That Roared”
I bring it up because it was asked, “Are there any civilized countries?”
Grand Fenwick was all I could think of…
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
2:16 pm
md, and of course, none of the “axis of evil” (Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, Libya) ever SELL any of their oil on the open market. it is only after we “shock and awe” these folks, that they sell their oil.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
2:16 pm
Belgians being civlized.
No no no.
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
“If you didn’t support any of the three wars, does that mean you did not support attacking Afghanistan after 9-11? If not, why not?”
Don’t know about him, but I for one do not/did not support boots on the ground. There was never any reason the most sophisticated military in the world couldn’t make it’s point against a pre-historic civilization without having to put boots on the ground.
After all these years, we have done nothing but shift the corrupting powers……………
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
DaveR: And if you need some, Hillary has some you can borrow.
Dave R – You.Are.Soooo.BAD!!
But that WAS funny!!
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
JB, and was not Winston afflicted with bipolar disorder (manic-depressive)? I suppose his leadership during WWII and the Battle of Britain was worthy or praise, but therein lies the difference between Winston the Prime Minister of the UK, and Winston the bitter, mentally-ill, head of a failing, has been, no longer a super power empire.
Ayn Rant
August 22nd, 2011
2:21 pm
Don’t count on anything good coming out of the uprisings in Egypt, Libya, and Syria. The citizens of those countries are a fractious lot divided by sectarian beliefs and social customs.
They need the guidance of a strong hand, hopefully one more honest, wise, and benevolent than the ones they overthrow.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm
Dusty, I think you meant to say; hardly a western/European, colonial empire….
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:24 pm
Joe…….selling it is not a given…………holding it hostage can sometimes have the bigger effect…………think his foray into Kuwait was to gain beachfront property??
Aquagirl
August 22nd, 2011
2:27 pm
Looks like Ayn is happy to share the White Man’s Burden with Dusty. These selfless 19th century thinkers renew my faith in humanity.
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
Ayn Rant @ 2:21 p.m.
How condescending. And how generalized in perception. Each country – Egypt, Libya, Syria – is different in composition.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
Normal
A classic Peter Sellers!
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
2:30 pm
Can we get into mocking Muammar Gaddafi?
That is one goofy looking son of a gun….
oh come on, Mrs. G!!
you’ve got to admit — he has one snazzy wardrobe
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
2:31 pm
No, Joe the Plutocrat,
I meant EVERY nationality. If you are dismissing the USA, well, our native Americans, our Indians, might say something a little differently about our history. The Peaceful Danes who rescued Jews, their ancestors the Vikings raided England with a vengence.
The Chinese, Genghis Khan. Russia, Stalin. It goes on and on if you want to dig up something to “throw” at others. Sadly, like I said, every nationality has their “atrocity”. We don’t forget but let us move on never to do it again.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
Dusty: Almost every nationality can be reminded of their guilt, some more than others. But to constantly remind others of the atrocities and never the advancements, is a bit one sided. You would not be one sided , would you?
True — but History is History is History, you can’t change it, just learn from it.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
Well some good news, peeps.
Regarding my wrecked beauty, I may be able to wiggle out of this hole without too much damage.
And maybe my anxiety level will drop back down to an acceptable level!
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
md
I believe you’ll find, as you review the initial months of the Afghan war, that ‘boot on the ground’ (CIA/Special Ops) is what coordinated with the warlords, established alliances, killed and captured Taliban, killed and captured AQ, acted a spotter for AF aircraft to bomb targets.
Can’t think of a war we’ve been in where air power alone has led to the defeat of an enemy.
Including the Bosnian campaign.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
Paul
poison pen
My 2:02 was my first to you on the topic.
” Just looking for clarification. If you didn’t support any of the three wars, does that mean you did not support attacking Afghanistan after 9-11? If not, why not?”
Paul, MD, made a valid point and I will expand on it.
We have smart bombs, drones and Jets, the Afghanistans have rocks, knives and a few weapons. Why should we sacrifice any of our children to go there and endanger themselves. We can take them out in a lot of different ways.
Seeing as how you seem to think it’s ok to send our kids there, please tell us how many of your children you sent? Or have you been there? just askin…
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
Midori
He always looks as if he’s dressed in my odd old aunties pyjamas….
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
AmVet
I was just reading about new Infinitis and was going to link to some beauties but thought it might have been too soon.
Glad it’s working out well.
And you’re safe. Metal (no matter the affection we hold for it) can be replaced. People can’t.
DawgDad
August 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
“Gee, notice how Winston neatly ignores the extremely savage depredations of the “civilized” Belgians in the Congo, the atrocities of the French in Algeria and elsewhere, the role of the West in capturing millions of Africans for sale and use as slaves, etc.”
Jay, if you’re attempting to imply “moral equivalency” then I have a couple of points for you. Raping and hacking to death Catholic Nuns in the main street of a town in open daylight is, ahem, immoral. I saw those pictures on the front page of my, ahem, liberal newspaper, growing up back in the sixties. They had NO PROBLEM identifying who was “at fault”.
As for the “role of the West”, well, I’m pretty sure I and most others around today had nothing to do with instituting any of the policies or committing any of the attrocities of the past you find so displeasing. If you’re blaming “the West” they are all long in their graves, dude, and quite irrelevant. Assigning relevance as justification for people’s actions today is very much condemning yourself and others to pay for the sins of others long in the past. It serves no constructive purpose and is guaranteed to perpetuate hate and resentment WITHOUT moral cause. This is one reason Christians hold to tenets of Confession, Absolution, and Forgiveness. And yes, I omitted any reference to the “chains” in their back pockets. Guilt yourself to death, just don’t condemn me to join you, please.
Midori
August 22nd, 2011
2:36 pm
Mrs. G —
Paulo977
August 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
DebbieDR
It’s incredible how IGNORANT we in the western hemisphere have been about our rape of these countries!!!
“Through traditional villages, temples and mosques….they didn’t care where they built them because the indigenious people’s rights/wants meant nothing to them…” DDR
GT
August 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
buck@gon you are right most Tech guys wouldn’t get caught in these silly converstations but I not only graduated but have a father, a grandfather, a father in law and a great father in law. I can promise you one thing Limbaugh is not a Tech grad.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
Paul
md
” I believe you’ll find, as you review the initial months of the Afghan war, that ‘boot on the ground’ (CIA/Special Ops) is what coordinated with the warlords, established alliances, killed and captured Taliban, killed and captured AQ, acted a spotter for AF aircraft to bomb targets.”
Can’t think of a war we’ve been in where air power alone has led to the defeat of an enemy.
Including the Bosnian campaign.
Paul, The exact same thing could be said about Vietnam, and look how well that turned out. A democratic war that cost us over 58,000 lives. Please tell me for what?
Please tell us what we will get out of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan? not one of these backward thinking, corrupt countries is worth one of our children.
PS, If you think it is then pick someones child to sacrifice.
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm
Paul……our definitions seem to be a bit different………spooks on the ground is not quite the same as an all out push with boots on the ground…………..
A spook gathering intelligence or pointing a laser is not the same as a large group of grunts marching through the streets……………..
jm
August 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm
Where’s Waldo? I mean Gaddhafi. On the way to Venezuela?
independent thinker
August 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
Gaddafi was the first terrorist regime to attack and kill hundreds of Americans on a civilian airliner yet Bush II made him a partner in the war on terror. If Bush and the neocons had stayed in office longer Bush probably would have done the same for Osama. Amazing how those neocons can cozy up to those terriorist dictators and then make a big deal of lassoing them at the rodeo only to kiss and make up afterwards. Good example – old McNamara was Reagan’s emissary to Iraq to sell chemical weaponsWhere are their scruples? Twenty years of cowboy theatrics in iraq and where are we and what did it cost us??
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Clinton and NATO got it right in Yugoslovia and we have stability today
Hopefully Obama and NATO got it right in Libya. At least it is now up to thhe Libyans to run their country and not some
American appointee. And what do we have to show for twenty years of military intervention in Iraq?And what have we truly accomplished by being the lead dog in Afghanistan after ten years?
I am waiting to see the Hannity /Limbaugh/ Wingfield/Boortz/ /Beck/ Coulter/ Ingram spin on this.I am sure they and the chicken hawks and neiocons on the right are praying for a divisive revolution following Libya’s liberation. Or could they just dare utter the Texas cowboy’s refrain of “Mission Accomplished”? No aircraft carrier landings and cowboy theatrics are necessary,
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Have a good day everyone. Adios
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
“Please tell us what we will get out of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan?”
An uninterrupted supply of oil that a dependent US uses to run an economy that supplies it’s people with a lifestyle they’ve become accustomed to…………………………
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
poison pen
I see your post was a minute after mine, which meant we were both composing at the same time. Your questions were answered in my post. I take it you think air power alone would have done the job. I don’t. Neither did US Special Operations Command or US Central Command.
Again, I am unaware of any of our conflicts, regardless of the technological level of our adversaries (and one can make the case that the more primitive the adversary, the more necessary are ground forces) that air power alone is sufficient.
Not even the AF teaches that.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Sure, Debbie, I’m not forgeting history. Who can change it?
Anyway, you mentioned Timbuktu. I saw Dr. Gates African story and the architecture of that “cathedral ” at Timbuktu was the most AMAZING structure I’d seen in a long time. I’d love to see it for real. Anyway, he also went to the library there, and volume after volume from ancient times were lying on open shelves seemingly unprotected. I was amazed. (I love old books!) Wanna take care of ‘em!
That was one of the best parts of his travels besides the interview with the slave in Mali. That’s amazing too, that slavery is still around in this world.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm
poison pen 2:38
You appear to be veering all over now. First you make the case no ground forces, then you point to Vietnam for support? Not even close with Afghanistan.
2:42 I see you’re checking out.
Smart move.
Joe the (Nationalist) Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm
so Dusty, so which is it; nature (the DNA of all humas) or nurture (”nationalism” is a germ that leads otherwise docile, altruistic homosapiens to commit atrocities)? and as a pre-emptive strike, did not Cain slay Abel? I’d say maybe we’re not as “humane” as species as we think; or as Dickens observed (paraphrase); “…underneath this fine linen, we’re all cutthroats.”
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm
Thanks my Texas bud. And you’re right.
(Oh for a new M56X!)
http://www.examiner.com/auto-review-in-national/first-drive-car-review-2011-infiniti-m56x-no-one-s-second-fiddle
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
md
I equate ‘boot on the ground’ with ground forces, whether regular Army or Special Ops.
I think we erred when it was all turned over to SecDef Rumsfeld and General Franks at USCENTCOM. CIA was doing a pretty good job up until then, but DoD did not want to take orders from or have a military campaign run by, CIA. Heck, they were even running the Predator program.
If we’d left them in charge, I’m pretty sure it would have been an ‘in and out’ operation. “You aided and abetted AQ, we came in and killed you and took you out of controlling the gov’t. Try it again, we’ll return and kill you.”
I think they’d have understood that.
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
“Gaddafi was the first terrorist regime to attack and kill hundreds of Americans on a civilian airliner yet Bush II made him a partner in the war on terror.”
Sometimes, one must deal with the devil to keep the devil from unleashing his potential…………..I do recall the trade included a nuclear program………………….
Isn’t there a saying about keeping friends close and enemies closer??
Joe the (Nationalist) Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Paul, we’ve been through this before; there’s no money in the SpecOps war. I mean, satellites and Predators, and mercenaries aren’t cheap, but nothing like aircraft carriers, B-2 strikes, and all the men and materiale needed to support a “conventional/150K (actually, 300k – not many one-legged soldiers) boots on the gound war. in addition, we had bin Laden at Tora Bora in 12/01; but where’s the $$$ in that. the SpecOps guys are good (and cheap), and that’s not how the game is played. If we found OBL in Pakistan, we could have easily found Saddam in Iraq (and whacked him for pennies on the dollar).
md
August 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Paul…….and I equate “boots on the ground” with large scale troop movements………but, we agree on the CIA…….the spooks don’t have the same constraints as regular military………..get it, do it, get out. They don’t have the” 100 questions to ask before shooting” manual to worry about.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
Dusty: Anyway, you mentioned Timbuktu. I saw Dr. Gates African story and the architecture of that “cathedral ” at Timbuktu was the most AMAZING structure I’d seen in a long time
I’ve visited several countries in Africa, but I’d really LOVE to visit Timbuktu and also Ethiopia. As you know the Ethopians believe that one of their Queens, Sheba, was the consort of King Solomon and their union brought about a son (can’t recall his name) whom Solomon gave the Ark of the Covenant to to protect, (in Ethiopian mythology that is why the Ark was never found when the temple in Jerusalem was raided).
Anyway, Ethopia has a lot of pyramids and tombs and there is supposed to be a sect of “monks” that guard the Ark day and night. I’d LOVE to visit there and see all that for myself!
As for Dr. Gates, he has done more for African / African American History than any other person before him.
That was one of the best parts of his travels besides the interview with the slave in Mali. That’s amazing too, that slavery is still around in this world.
Sad isn’t it? The most common slave these days are the ones who are in sexual bondage, (mostly young children), all over the world. It seems the more we as a people change, the more we stay the same.
Joe the (Nationalist) Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
md, surprisingly enough, I agree with your 2:51; and not because I think Bush was a level-headed guy, but we’ve never let killing Americans get in the way of business (Germany, Japan, Vietnam, China), unless of course we’re talking about Cuba.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
Sweet ride AmVet.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
Joe the Plutocrat
I assure you that all humans have the ability to consider others as also human.
But the human spirit can become warped and distroyed by cruelty, envy, anger, illness, depravity and even ambition. That is why we try to raise our chiildren with the best conditions and the best treatment and education and introduce them to faith. That is the only way to confront the makings of deprevation in the human soul.
If our children meet obscene conditions, they realize what it is because we have taught and loved them and showed them what is good.
As a Christian, I believe we can go beyond the evils of this world. That is the power of faith..
.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Paul
poison pen 2:38
You appear to be veering all over now. First you make the case no ground forces, then you point to Vietnam for support? Not even close with Afghanistan.
2:42 I see you’re checking out.
Smart move.
Paul, I still have 5 minutes, I pointed to Vietnam as to the amount of casualities that we suffered, I’m not veering anyplace.
I’ll ask again how many of your kids did you send to War, or pick someones child to sacrifice.
You don’t have the cajones to answer, and your bad at flipping.
I really do have to leave noe, so you can make some snarky remark now, you seem to be good at that.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm
md: An uninterrupted supply of oil that a dependent US uses to run an economy that supplies it’s people with a lifestyle they’ve become accustomed to…………………………
How so? Remember these places are independent countries who can decide who they sell or not sell to. And, I honestly don’t think that the Iraqis like us as much as they may pretend to. Afghanistans either.
AmVet – when Paul mentioned something about Infinitis I was like “Oh No!! AmVet must be suffering with something awful!” So I googled it and…..well, you know the rest! You guys were talking about a CAR!!
PS: Glad to know that you’re allright and are not dying of In-fin-it-is.
md
August 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
“md, surprisingly enough, I agree with your 2:51; and not because I think Bush was a level-headed guy, but we’ve never let killing Americans get in the way of business”
Which doesn’t stop folks from complaining about the wars, which very well may be saving more lives than they are taking. If the economy is disrupted by the lack of oil, the suffering here would be enormous………but folks can’t always see the bigger picture…………….
Take a sick economy, raise gas prices to 5, 6, 7+ a gallon, and watch what happens…………
Joe the (Nationalist) Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
3:07 pm
independent thinker, you’ve got your timeline mixed up; Ossama bin Laden was a CIA “asset” during the Reagan years. He was part of the mujhadeen (Islamic freedom fighters) who travled to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet occupation during the 1980’s. we “turned” on him as much as he turned on us in terms of flipping the switch from “good guy” to “bad guy”. and you are correct, it was much the same with Saddam. when he was fighting the Iranians, we staked him. He was an ‘ally’ up until he invaded Kuwait in ‘91. some might even suggest that like Oswald in Dallas in ‘63, he was something of a patsy in that we encouraged him to invade Kuwait, then ID’s him as the assassin. just a theory, but given the way people flip switches in DC, who knows?
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm
AmVet,
What you need is a fine 2000 Cavalier to let you ride with pride! It is the best. I throw kisses to mine every day ( and hope the brakes don’t fail!) Ya gotta love ‘em!!
Joe the (Nationalist) Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
Dusty, Dusty, Dusty; your assurances do not comfort me. if, as you observe, we are predisposed or prone to become “warped” by any number of experiences; perhaps it is natural for us to do so, and unnatural for us to pray/worship mythical deities.
md
August 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
“How so? Remember these places are independent countries who can decide who they sell or not sell to. And, I honestly don’t think that the Iraqis like us as much as they may pretend to. Afghanistans either.”
Exactly……..who, when, how much…….all effecting the cost of oil…….hence the cost of gas……..and we have a gas dependent economy……………..
Prices of goods go up………….people can’t afford gas so they stop going anywhere………….money isn’t spent…….economy collapses into recession/depression…………..
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
3:12 pm
Joe the Plutocrat
Nawwww… your 3:07 is too wild. You been reading those crazy paperbacks again?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
3:12 pm
LOL, Debbie.
I’m fine (other than a silly broken heart) but my pimp mobile is toast and I’m out some dough.
(In my best Leonard “Bones” McCoy voice) Damn it Jim, I’m getting another!
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
md
See what happens when words are defined? Understanding.
poison pen
My point was wars are not won solely by air power. They require ground forces.
Vietnam was a quagmire, not winnable by air power.
Appealing to ‘cojones’ or ‘kids’ is an argument reserved for those without an argument. If a war is important enough to be fought, people will die. Servicemen understand that.
And can we stop referring to a professional adults who’s made a decision to serve, knowing full well it may cost life or limb, as ‘kids’ or ‘children?’ It’s demeaning.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm
I’m fine (other than a silly broken heart) but my pimp mobile is toast and I’m out some dough.
Well, I’m glad you’re fine that’s all that counts! OMG I’m such a GIRL!! I had no idea you guys were talking about cars! All my brother’s exceptional training on the merits of one car vs. another, just went right out the window! He’ll never forgive me.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm
Well, Joe, I love babies but they are the only “pure” people I know. Take it or leave it.
I don’t worship any mythical dieties. You can chase butterflies but I prefer the real thing. The door to forgiveness is open. Come along any time.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
3:21 pm
JP: perhaps it is natural for us to do so, and unnatural for us to pray/worship mythical deities
Aw, but she also mentioned “Faith” – and here’s where it comes in. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Whether you believe in a deity or not, our whole lives, our very existence comes down to “faith”.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Debbie, I remember some of your stories about learning about cars from them.
The truth be told I haven’t work on any of my cars since there were timing lights, distributor caps and rotors…
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
Debbie 3:21
Very nice!
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
The truth be told I haven’t work on any of my cars since there were timing lights, distributor caps and rotors…
Heck me either!! Everything now is “computerized” to the point that you need a degree in Mechanical Engineering and computer Science to work on your car. When I was coming up with my brothers, it was more of a “feel” or an art to breaking down an engine and/or a transmission and building it back up. Now most mechanics can’t even tell you what’s wrong with your car until they put it on a diagnostic machine.
Billybob
August 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
‘ a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama’
So you accept ‘the ends justify the means’ with regard to obama disregarding and ignoring the Constitution and the Wars Powers Act……quite similar to obama telling DOJ to disregard and ignore the Constitution and not to defend Defense of Marriage Act……it’s amazing that a ’supposed constitutional scholar’ is actually flouting the constitution instead of vigorously defending it……how would you respond bookman? if at all?
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
Well it’s 3:30 and it’s time for me to pick up the sweetest most beautiful baby in the world (my niece). Later Gators!
PS I know I probably spelled neice wrong — I always do, I can’t remember if it’s “I” before “E” except after “C” or vice versa.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm
Wait! Couldn’t ignore this one!
BillyBob: quite similar to obama telling DOJ to disregard and ignore the Constitution and not to defend Defense of Marriage Act……
The Defense of Marriage Act is in the Constitution? Which Article?
I’ll check in and view your comment later.
Late Gators!
Richard
August 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm
DebbieDoRight: NIECE is it. ’bout Libya, I sincerely hope that they end up with a government that is truly democratic and effective because they have spent the last seven months spilling blood from thousands. What I am seeing on CNN, with personal interviews with those in Tripoli who now boast of their new found freedom, it is truly inspiriing. It is great that NATO and the U.S. helped them in their hour of need; as Gadhafi was threatening to go from door to door in Bengahazi and slaughter anyone who challenged his dictatorship. The sad thing about Syria is that tyrant Assad has no such miliary opposition. So, I guess, he might find it a little troublesome after he murders millions of his fellow countrymen, only in the end to learn that he has killed them all and there are no more people for him to “govern.”
@@
August 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
What’s not to love about Steyn?
Steyn on America
VOICE OF THE MAINSTREAM
I am on book promotion duty at the moment and, as a sensitive soul and insecure little author, it is naturally distressing when one hears circuitously from respectable TV bookers that one is considered a bit too “fringe” and “out of the mainstream” for their tastes. So I’m always interested to discover what these shows consider “mainstream.”
Yesterday the “Fareed Zakaria GPS” show hosted Paul Krugman of the New York Times. Professor Krugman, the Nobel Prize–winning economist, has spent the last couple of years arguing that World War Two is proof that Keynesian stimulus works. But, in our present economic crisis, he’s now decided that massive global conflagration between conventional nation states leading to tens of millions of deaths is nickel’n’diming it and we need to think big:
KRUGMAN: It’s very hard to get inflation in a depressed economy. But if you had a program of government spending plus an expansionary policy by the Fed, you could get that. So, if you think about using all of these things together, you could accomplish, you know, a great deal.
If we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. And then if we discovered, oops, we made a mistake, there aren’t any aliens, we’d be better –
ROGOFF: And we need Orson Welles, is what you’re saying.
KRUGMAN: No, there was a “Twilight Zone” episode like this in which scientists fake an alien threat in order to achieve world peace. Well, this time, we don’t need it, we need it in order to get some fiscal stimulus.
And, even when the lid gets blown off, the demand for “The Invasion From Planet Zongo Was An Inside Job” bumper stickers will stimulate a second economic boom!
Thank you, Big Daddy!!!
I preferred Steyn’s shaggy look to his clean cropped…
@@
August 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Oops! Last paragraph was stinging Steyn.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Well, whoeee, I think I will put a “bug ” in the ear of some hospital administrators. What they need is a “diagnostic machine” of the first order. It might do away with the magnificient laboratory medicine department But then, who will need it?
I can see it now. Dear Sir Patient, now lie back and relax. Here is your key. Now use your bellybutton ignition (patented) and turn it on. Press the gas pedal, and whammo! your diagnosis will come out on the tape in one minute.
Do not turn on your headlights. Or blow your horn. This is detrimental to the exam. If you need any oil during this procedure, please let us know. OK, here we go! Just check that mileage!!
I hope “diagnostic machines” are cheap. I understand that ObamaCare has already ordered thousands..
md
August 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
“Now most mechanics can’t even tell you what’s wrong with your car until they put it on a diagnostic machine.”
If then……..many still have no clue………it can be anything from a-z, and they start with a…….and we pay for each until they stumble upon the answer…………..
During my last trip in, they wanted to replace a part for over 1300.00, but in the mean time, found some loose nuts that they tightened…….when I asked if the nuts could have been causing the problem, they said possibly, but it was more likely the 1300 part and they had to order it……I told them to hold off………..and never had the problem again……it’s been over a year.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
4:02 pm
Libya…so far, so good. Here is our chance to “get it right.” The western democracies “backed” the rebels, we didn’t go in an do it for them. Now, if we can keep that same perspective as the Libyans put together what they want and need for a governmental structure.
I am optimistic. The Libyans are a well educated people, especially the younger ones, and this is very much their revolution.
buck@gon
August 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
GT,
Even I admit, because I went there too: they don’t have a very good English program.
But if you read say, Mark Steyn, National Review, Thomas Sowell, Kyle Wingfeld, George Will, etc., you can, on your own, improve your course of expression, vocab and all that.
There is hope for you.
What field? I’m CEE.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
4:08 pm
I hope so too, Josef
But I have read that politics in Libya are controlled mainly by a few family clans. Maybe fighting together will change that.
@@
August 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
Report: Stunted Corn Crop Could Push Food Prices Even Higher
30% of the projected corn crop goes to ethanol.
Anybody got an ethanol recipe they’d like to share?
John Daly
August 22nd, 2011
4:17 pm
Jay, can you tell us exactly what the policy was that lead to the intervention in Libya, other than NATO asking us too?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm
So if the apparent collapse of the Gadhafi government is a major success for NATO and a vindication of President Barack Obama’s policy of multilateral humanitarian interventionism, does that mean that this is a victory for the United States, the rest of the international nations involved and another humiliating defeat for the Republicans?
It looks that way.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/22/cortright.obama.libya/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Common Cents
August 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm
This is either a good or bad thing.
If you hate Obama, it’s a bad thing.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm
@@,
The family declares that I have some ethanol recipes. . Maybe the corn caserole wasn’t so good but some people you can never please!! PIcky!! (Stunted corn maybe?)
By the way, how’s school going? Are they keeping you busy?
I’d better get busy doing what I should have been doing instead of goofin’ off.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
4:23 pm
DUSTY
I am hoping, and from what I’ve seen and heard from those there, the clan-tribal leaders who have played footsie with whoever has been in power from time immemorial, is being discredited by the younger people.
The positive slant is that Libya did not have the educational infrastructure necessary to bring it into the modern, technological world. Its young people had to go abroad for study and subsequently were exposed to western values. Secondly, Libya has historically looked to Tunisia intellectually and in so doing have had a much, much stronger continental influence there.
Again, a lot remains to be seen. In liberated Benghazi they got some experience in “pulling it all together” and the initial results are pretty good…now, if they can just grow with that,,,
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
4:26 pm
AmVet 4:19
No, it has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. Neither party in congress voted on it.
@@
August 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
Dusty:
By the way, how’s school going? Are they keeping you busy?
I spent most of last week there. I was always given the opportunity to evaluate the newest students. Nothing’s changed….the newbies come to me first. They don’t start until two weeks after the returning students, who only started this week. I’m getting my resources together here at home.
Corn? My good fortune allowed me to secure two bushels (120 ears) of the “highly coveted field corn”. ’twas beautiful! Scrumptuous! My produce lady got it from some grower in Dahlonega. I spent a total of 12 hours preparing it for the freezer.
Life is good!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
Well, my advise to AmVet is to get rid of his broken heart by buying a pickup. Don’t get no cheap car like a Chevy Cavalier or a Ford Fiesta. You’ll look like a cheap wimp. And even wimps are ashamed to be seen in a piece of junk like that. Get a pickup where you can ride high and look down on all the other drivers. And if you get a used car, make sure it ain’t been drove by some lead foot like @@. She’s been pulled over for speeding more times than a bank robber.
That’s my advise and I hope you follow it. I would sell you my Ford F-450, but it might could be too much truck for you. As a old codger you need something that’s a little slower and less fancy. Besides, I’m not even sure you could park one at the VA hospitle.
DawgDad
August 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
AmVet and Common Sense:
So, I should be anticipating an Obama keynote address at the forthcoming Internationally sponsored Constitutional Convention for the Libyan elite?
With so much enlightenment on display surely their new constitution will be a model for the rest of the developing nations? I’m eagerly anticipating their Sharia-inspired Constitutional expressions and guarantees of liberty, freedom, and justice alike for each and every one of their citizens. Perhaps they can address sticky democratic thorns like “fair” taxation and “rights to privacy” and “free access to the Internet for all citizens”, or maybe “abortion rights”. “Redistricting” anyone?
Give me a break.
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
@@, here’s an idea; don’t buy corn (to eat) and don’t buy any foods containing high fructose corn syrup. you might pay a bit more, but it’s better for you and you’ll live longer.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
4:44 pm
@@
Sounds like you handle a difficult job with joy and professionalism. I have great admiration for your work.
And CORN! from Dahlonega!! I think I will be over for dinner! (But don’t wait!) Sounds wonderful!!
Really gone this time!!!
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
Normal @ 9:34am
“Scout,
What sort of plan would you have President Obama impliment?”
…………. a plan that has an excellent chance of succeeding that ensures that an even more radical government than Quaddafi will not take over the country. He’s the president, he has the assets of our CIA, State Department and military and it’s up to him to implement it.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
4:57 pm
Thanks, RC. I’d have to drive around with my cowboy boots on the time if I had that Ford pick-em-truck.
Barry is sure putting a licking on the neo-cons in terms of foreign policy, huh?
First, he surges into Afghanistan. A move that I was adamantly opposed to. However, he beat the cons at their own “tough on defense” game.
Then he oversees the mission that kills Public Enema #1 (misspelled intentionally!) – Osama Bin Laden.
Now this, a true coalition of the willing, not just that bumper sticker nonsense of 2003, to end a massive genocide. An operation that the GOP leadership, and their lackeys in the blogosphere, bashed him for pretty much non-stop.
The respect of the United States throughout the world is going back up from the lows of our lost decade.
USA! USA! USA!
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
4:59 pm
@@: Preferred ethanol recipe as follows:
300 ml chilled neutral grain ethanol, diluted with water to a concentration of 40% by weight.
15 ml vermouth
two olives, preferrably stuffed with anchovies.
Shake spirits and vermouth over 500 ml very cold ice.
Pour into chilled glass container; and olives.
Consume.
Repeat.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
It’s days like this what remind me why I do not live in Atlanta. The city of Tucker like most metro cities OTP have no character and remind me of big giant brownfields. And the traffic sucks, but I do think those King and Queen buildings off 285 are cool.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:08 pm
“Libyan Draft Constitution: Sharia is ‘Principal Source of Legislation’ ”
We had better hope not.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
Headline: “Gaddafi whereabouts a mystery as rebels close in”
Has anyone checked Martha’s Vinyard ?
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Why is it America’s concern to pay for, fight for, feed, rebuild, or help Libya? First of all Libya isn’t an friend of America or a military ally. Libya is and will contiune to be a terrorist lawless Nation with a perverted muslim leadership kind of like the Obama Administration. Except not so dishonest. America needs to rebuild it’s own interstruture and roadways and stop being the Santa Claus Country and giving everything away to people who have an ideology that tells them to kill all people of different faiths. MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS PERIOD.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
5:13 pm
Washington (CNN) — How do you score partisan points against a president who looks to have won a military victory in Libya at very low cost? Simple: Attack him for being away from Washington at a summer house when the victory was won.
The president of the United States never gets a vacation, not really. The nuclear football follows wherever the president goes. He receives the daily intelligence briefing every morning, including Christmas. The decisions never stop, the cares of state never lighten, the burden of responsibility is never lifted.
When a president goes “on vacation,” here’s what happens:
1) He or she is spared the ceremonial parts of the job: the state dinners, the meetings with the girl who sold the most Girl Scout cookies that year, that kind of thing;
2) The other members of the first family are liberated from living inside the White House, aptly described by Harry Truman as “the crown jewel of the federal prison system.”
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/22/frum.president.vacation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Silly Republican attack poodles…
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:14 pm
Headline: “Prosecutors File Motion to Drop DSK Charges, Saying Evidence Does Not Establish Her Claims”
Then she should be charged.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
AmVet:
The president sets the tone in time of crisis.
We are in an economic crisis.
He is setting a bad tone.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
Yawn.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
Duke soccer team ! Duke soccer team ! Duke soccer team !
Jefferson
August 22nd, 2011
5:17 pm
The president’s tone is fine, you just hate the man.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Exactly ………….. and that’s what he is doing also.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Sharia Law, huh? Ain’t that the kind where if you steal from somebody they cut off your hand? Slander somebody and they cut off your tongue. Rape somebody and . . . well, you know.
Serves those towelheads right. Good thing they don’t have Sharia law down here. We’d have all kind of one-armed people with their tongue cut off and needing to squat to pee.
Have a good night everybody.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
Jefferson:
I hate his policies.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
5:19 pm
@@ — “Anybody got an ethanol recipe they’d like to share?”
My grandpappy did, but he wouldn’t want me sharing it here where the revenooers could see it.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
5:20 pm
Right wing bloggers with Jay in the middle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKAyhLtiKEA
(There’s their tone…)
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
“USA! USA! USA!”
Yes, our country is on a roll.
Unleash the trillions corporate and lets get back to work.
Lets rebuild our country for a change.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:21 pm
AvVet,
Plenty of fish in the sea. Plenty of em.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
TruthBe — “MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS PERIOD.”
How ’bout the ones what’s got oil?
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:26 pm
Its a minor point of contention but anyone remember that Lockerbie bombing terrorist that a Scottish court released to Khadafy a year or 2 ago because he was dying of cancer? He was sent back to live out his last months in Libya on “humanitarian” grounds. And apparently the guy is Aokay now. I wouldn’t mind getting him back from whatever new govt takes over in Libya so that we could plop his murderous ass right back in jail where he belongs.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:28 pm
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
TruthBe — “MUSLIMS ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS PERIOD.”
How ’bout the ones what’s got oil?
Still not our friends Joe Mama. Oil just happens to make strange bedfellows. Kinda like politics.
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm
I very much dislike Obama and I HATE his communist/socialist policies. He and his corrupt administration/czars are full of communists. Obama’s policies are destroying America’s future. Obama isn’t right for America. MUSLIMS are not our friends period. Wake Up!
pogo
August 22nd, 2011
5:30 pm
I hope that the people of Libya and Egypt and Syria can attain governments (which no doubt will involve religious principle and ideology) wherein religion has about as much say as it does in ours. There are two kinds of right and wrong; one deals with religious morality and the other is public law. When those two become mixed is where the trouble begins. The draft constitution that I read today (if authentic) that is being considered in Libya makes Sharia not only the religion but its principles being the law and the references in this document thereafter referring to “law” must be looked at in that light. That spells big trouble. If these country’s become “democratic” theocracies like Iran things could very well go from bad to worse. And while many on the left want to sing the praises of the “young” in these “revolutions” remember, it was the “young” that started the Iranian revolution as well. The “young” in Iran thought that the Shah was an oppressive leader and look at what they replaced him with; something much, much worse. I wouldn’t assume that just because revolution by the young has occurred that things will get better there. All kinds of forces are at work in these countries and many of them are participating for their greedy purposes.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm
They will be our allies:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/libyasquare.jpg
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm
Headline: “Obama doctrine yielding benefits?”
“The president will achieve a tremendous military and political victory with Qadhafi’s ouster.”
This is true if Libya developes into a reasonable democracy.
If it regresses into an Islamic state (and the reconrd shows he had no follow-up plan) then the verdict will be different.
Only time will tell.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
getalife:
Many will want to be …………. but it is just too early to predict the final outcome.
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
5:34 pm
Joe Mama, NO! We don’t need their oil. We should drill our own oil and use other natural resourses. America is blessed with plenty, we don’t need to spend our money with people who hate us and want to destroy us.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
Thulsa…
That thought about the Lockerbie bomber had crossed my mind…
TruthBe
You wouldn’t know a communiss, Ignatius, if one whapped you upside yore pointy little haid…ssshheesh…that went out during the Reagan years…
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
“I very much dislike Obama and I HATE his communist/socialist policies.’
And EXACTLY which policies would those be? As a former Marxist, I sure haven’t seen any. ( Would be a nice change, though.)
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm
Pogo,
Unfortunately the young often turn out to be nothing more than idealistic young fools. The shah was bad. the religious mullahs are worse.
Son of CT
August 22nd, 2011
5:38 pm
…a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama and others… the United States, NATO and the United Nations have all earned credibility with the Libyan people…
Congratulations Jay — based on this and most of your recent posts you’ve pretty much become Cynthia Tucker!!
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:38 pm
josef,
In the great scheme of things this one man isn’t that important. But I do believe that if what the new govt will or won’t do with this man will be symbolic of their values- and their politics. JMHO of course.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:38 pm
Headline: “Patrick Sandusky, spokesman for the U.S. Olympic Committee, tweeted Monday that “I can confirm the U.S. will not be bidding for the 2020 Olympic Games.”
Well shucks. I was hoping it would be in Douglasville this time.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
Pogo
Whatever the young do put in, it will be their own doings and it is their blood by which this revolution was fought…
And, folks, they will do what they will…can’t we at least wish them the best right now? We actually have a chance here to be the good guys for a change…it’s worth a shot, isn’t it? I mean, what’s the purpose in damning them before they even get started good…
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
“The State Department helped facilitate an educational visit to the United States this year by the Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi’s youngest son, a 27-year-old military commander who became a prominent figure in the violent crackdown against Libyan protesters, according to the U.S. company that hosted the visit.”
Oh well ……………
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
5:40 pm
josef, Looks like you’re still pissed off for losing the 1965 Miss Black Panther Pageant to Cynthia Tucker.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm
Someone mentioned Syria. We’ve all seen the wanton slaughters and shootings of civilians but where are the Syrians in terms of an organized resistance? Is there a credible resistance there whatsoever? Are they were Libya’s resistance was 6 months ago? All I’ve seen is the govts military assaults but I’ve heard or read nothing about whether there is armed opposition.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
Doom — “Still not our friends Joe Mama. Oil just happens to make strange bedfellows. Kinda like politics.”
Oh, okay.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushstayscrawford.htm
josef
August 22nd, 2011
5:43 pm
Thulsa….
That was pretty much what I was thinking…symbolic, yes, but what a symbol that would be…if they really are going to base it on Sharia, well we do know what Sharia says about this…turn him over to the families for decision on what to do…could be something of a turning point…
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
5:45 pm
TruthBe — “Joe Mama, NO! We don’t need their oil. We should drill our own oil and use other natural resourses. America is blessed with plenty, we don’t need to spend our money with people who hate us and want to destroy us.”
So I take it you’re in favor of cutting off *all* energy imports and relying solely on domestic resources? Am I understanding you correctly?
josef
August 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
“josef, Looks like you’re still pissed off for losing the 1965 Miss Black Panther Pageant to Cynthia Tucker.”
I’m old, but I’m not THAT old…I was only 11 then. I’m still pissed off at losing 1975 Left Wing Southern Rebel Queer Jew Boy to….
Logical Dude
August 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
TruthBe: josef, Looks like you’re still pissed off for losing the 1965 Miss Black Panther Pageant to Cynthia Tucker.
So, if you don’t have a good argument, attack the messenger??? How does THAT help the conversation?
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
You know that watching all these revolutions with a nervous eye the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and other greedy pigs in the middle east have got to be gittin a little nervous right about now.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
josef,
You are old enough to qualify as an old fart- old fart!
pogo
August 22nd, 2011
5:48 pm
Thulsa, MOSTof the time the young turn out to be nothing more than idealistic young fools. And the reason? Because they haven’t yet had to pay the price for their youthful dreams. And especially today where we have an entire generation that thinks that it deserves what it wants when it wants it with minimal effort. But hey, everyone has to learn, don’t they? But unfortunately, by the time you do, it is too late and things have gotten much worse and sadly many of todays children will just get angry for the foolish promises that were made to them that society just plain won’t be able to fulfill.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
5:50 pm
Mr B…
I used to be buddies with the head of the Communist Party in Mississippi…he always said that he was the only Communist in America….all the rest were FBI, Sovereignty Commission, and K K K operatives under cover…
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:50 pm
Today they opened the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial on the D.C. Mall.
This gives me another chance to let you libs. read one of his famous sermons:
“I invite you to take a few minutes to read two excerpts from Dr. King’s sermon entitled “Guidelines for a Constructive Church,” which he preached at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta on June 5, 1966.
This morning I would like to submit to you that we who are followers of Jesus Christ, and we who must keep his church going and keep it alive, also have certain basic guidelines to follow. Somewhere behind the dim mist of eternity, God set forth his guidelines. And through his prophets, and above all through his son Jesus Christ, he said that, “There are some things that my church must do. There are some guidelines that my church must follow.” And if we in the church don’t want the funds of grace cut off from the divine treasury, we’ve got to follow the guidelines. (That’s right) The guidelines are clearly set forth for us in some words uttered by our Lord and Master as he went in the temple one day, and he went back to Isaiah and quoted from him. And he said, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me (Yes, sir) to preach the gospel to the poor, (Yes, sir) he hath sent me to heal the broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, (Yes) to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
. . . And then the church, if it is true to its guidelines, must preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (Yes, sir, Make it plain) You know the acceptable year of the Lord is the year that is acceptable to God because it fulfills the demands of his kingdom. Some people reading this passage feel that it’s talking about some period beyond history, (Make it plain) but I say to you this morning that the acceptable year of the Lord can be this year. (Yes) And the church is called to preach it.
The acceptable year of the Lord is any year (Amen) when men decide to do right.
The acceptable year of the Lord is any year when men will stop lying and cheating. (Amen, Make it plain)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when women will start using the telephone for constructive purposes (Yes) and not to spread malicious gossip and false rumors on their neighbors. (Right)
The acceptable year of the Lord is any year (Any year) when men will stop throwing away the precious lives that God has given them in riotous living. (Make it plain)
The acceptable year of the Lord (Yes) is that year when people in Alabama (Make it plain) will stop killing civil rights workers and people who are simply engaged in the process of seeking their constitutional rights. (Make it plain)
The acceptable year of the Lord (Yes) is that year when men will learn to live together as brothers. (Yes, sir)
The acceptable year of the Lord (Yes) is that year when men will keep their theology abreast with their technology.
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when men will keep the ends for which they live abreast with the means by which they live. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year (That year) when men will keep their morality abreast with their mentality.
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year (Yes) when all of the leaders of the world will sit down at the conference table (Make it plain) and realize that unless mankind puts an end to war, war will put an end to mankind. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord [clap] is that year when men will beat their swords into plowshares, (Yes) and their spears into pruning hooks: and nations will not rise up against nations, neither will they study war anymore. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year (That year) when men will allow justice to roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when we will send to Congress and to state houses of our nation (Yes, sir) men who will do justly, (Yes) who will love mercy, (Yes) and who will walk humbly with their God. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year (Yes, sir) when every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain will be made low; the rough places would be made plain, and the crooked places straight; and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when men will do unto others as they will have others do unto themselves. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when men will love their enemies, (Yes) bless them that curse them, pray for them that despitefully use them.
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when men discover that out of one blood God made all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Yes)
The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess the name of Jesus. And everywhere men will cry out, “Hallelujah, hallelujah! The kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever. Hallelujah, hallelujah!”
The acceptable year of the Lord is God’s year. (Yes)
These are our guidelines, and if we will only follow the guidelines, we will be ready for God’s kingdom, (Yes) we will be doing what God’s church is called to do. We won’t be a little social club. (Make it plain) We won’t be a little entertainment center. But we’ll be about the serious business (Yes) of bringing God’s kingdom to this earth.”
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:51 pm
Just saw Maxine Waters in a public forum say that the tea party can GO TO HELL! So much for civil discourse from Miss Waters. But it was nice of her to invite the tea party to her congressional district. Sort of…
Thomas
August 22nd, 2011
5:51 pm
Hate to be the negative one here but haven’t the majority of the mideastern countries been our “allies” at some point in time. We have seen the movie before- the first date goes well but is a slippery slope from there-
Anyway- would like some time and attention on our good brethern from south of the border. Remember the Economist ranked Mexico right there with Pakistan as a ticking time bomb.
Logical Dude
August 22nd, 2011
5:51 pm
Thulsa says: and other greedy pigs in the middle east
And how will we have Peace in the Middle East with you basically calling all of the leaders swine?
They are all human, imperfect. But hopefully some of them know peace can be attainable. But calling them all swine doesn’t help those on the other side who WANT peace.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm
Thulsa…
As Vonnegut said in “Slapstick…” I’m an old f*rt now with my memories…pretty soon I can join Helen Thomas and be forgiven the most outlandish things and folks’ll just say “…he’s old…bless his heart!”
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:54 pm
pogo, couldn’t agree more. The Chinese and Japanese have some good sense in their reverence for the wisdom of the old. Plus could a billion Chinamen be wrong?
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm
Doom — “You know that watching all these revolutions with a nervous eye the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and other greedy pigs in the middle east have got to be gittin a little nervous right about now.”
Suits me. Maybe if some of these oligarchs had listened to their people better and had taken proper care of them, then they wouldn’t be dealing with (or sweating) armed revolution right now.
And if they’re worried about their own skins, I don’t think they’re as likely to look the other way when AQ operates openly in their countries.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
5:55 pm
Interesting:
“Christianity and the Presidency”
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 by Dr. Michael Youssef, Pastor, Church of the Apostles – Atlanta
There was a time when Americans sought presidents who did not just claim to be Christians; they also looked for candidates who reflected Christ in their daily lives. This does not appear to be the case anymore.
Leading into this election, the secular media mocks candidates who have a genuine faith in Christ – and heaven help candidates who seek to live out their Christian faith. In fact, today, some in the media have reached such a low point that true Christian faith is viewed as a liability rather than an asset.
In the past, some candidates have used Christians to get nominated and elected, but once in the halls of the White House, their aids refer to evangelicals, the very people who elected them, as “nuts”.
Understandably, some Christians feel jaded by politicians who claim to be Christians and yet act and govern in a way that communicates that they are ashamed of the true Christian faith.
The current President claims to be a Christian, yet he hardly goes to church. He forgets to issue an Easter proclamation, but he never forgets a Ramadan proclamation. He mocks some biblical passages and he seldom quotes the Bible, but he is forever quoting what he calls the “holy Qur’an.” He is all for aborting babies, changing the order of God’s creation by undermining the Defense of Marriage Act, and having government bureaucracies take over the church’s charitable role—and the list goes on and on.
Christians are not looking for perfection in a candidate; we know that only one perfect man/God ever walked the earth. But we are looking for candidates who are truthful and whose claims match their lives.
From my experience, American Christians are very forgiving when our leaders experience moral or ethical failures – but only if these leaders are truly repentant and exhibit humility. However, when leaders cover up their moral and ethical failures with self-righteousness, that does not bode well with us and we feel betrayed.
No one can see into another man’s heart. While I don’t have a dog in the fight, or a preferred candidate, I would caution my fellow believers to understand that what a candidate believes deeply will be reflected not only in their lives, but also in their policies—impacting our nation. “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks” (Luke 6:45).”
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
5:56 pm
josef,
You got a ways to go before you get to the Helen Thomas point of bless his heart condescension. The day a younger smart ass like myself tells you “bless your heart” you’ll know you’re there. Of course by then I won’t be too far behind you so I best keep quiet at that point.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
5:58 pm
I got this far, said “Say What?!!?” and stopped reading.
“There was a time when Americans sought presidents who did not just claim to be Christians; they also looked for candidates who reflected Christ in their daily lives”
If the foundation of an argument is wrong, the argument is… what’s the word?….. oh, yeah…. Wrong!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:00 pm
“Barry is sure putting a licking on the neo-cons in terms of foreign policy, huh?
First, he surges into Afghanistan. A move that I was adamantly opposed to. However, he beat the cons at their own “tough on defense” game.”
Yeah, even MORE American dead in another failed attempt to take over a country that no one has taken over in forever. And one that, once we leave, will again revert back to pre-invasion “governance”. Typical short-term thinking by the newest member of the 101st Chairborne.
“Then he oversees the mission that kills Public Enema #1 (misspelled intentionally!) – Osama Bin Laden.”
Yeah, ensconced in that Situation Room surrounded by dozens of advisers really shows his national security chops.
“Now this, a true coalition of the willing, not just that bumper sticker nonsense of 2003, to end a massive genocide. An operation that the GOP leadership, and their lackeys in the blogosphere, bashed him for pretty much non-stop.”
Pimping arms to rebels who will care nothing for us in a year’s time is a strategy? To get rid of someone who posed no threat to the U.S.? You have lost all credibility to question anyone else’s complaints about military use in the future, AmVet.
The sycophants who will grasp at any straw to prop up this horrendous excuse for a President in order to minimize the other side of the political spectrum is simply astounding and pathetic. It is not surprising to see that we have become a nation without principles, willing to sell them at any political cost.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm
AmVet
“The president of the United States never gets a vacation, not really. ”
Dana Perino, Press Secretary for George Bush, was asked on Fox about the Pres taking a vacation.
She said the issue is silly. Said pres never gets a real vacation as he’s never away from his responsibilities. Referred to crises under Bush when Bush was at Camp David and explained how the process works.
Then she pretty much indicated it was time for a serious topic. I don’t think the moderators were expecting that response.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:02 pm
Suits me. Maybe if some of these oligarchs had listened to their people better and had taken proper care of them, then they wouldn’t be dealing with (or sweating) armed revolution right now.- Joe Mama
True enough. I don’t think anybody will be feeling sorry for the Saudi King or any of his 30,000 pigs in the family reciving govt checks and feeding at the public oil trough. I saw a 60 minutes special in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia 5 years after Saddam was expelled from Kuwait. Unemployment was 40 something percent or more among the young. Why? Because regular jobs and starting off at the bottom is beneath most Saudi and Kuwait kids. They expect to major in Islamic philosophy at the local university and then get a 100k or more job as a manager. And I’m not talking management at McDonalds or KFC either. So who did these kids blame for their plight when Morley safer asked them? The U.S. of course because at that time oil prices were very low- under $2. I wonder if they still blame us today but just found a different reason.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:05 pm
PAUL
I find it intriguing that those who want a “good Christian” in office roundly despise and discredit the only one elected to office in my lifetime I I would call a man who lived his Christian faith and applied it to his philosophical political actions, Jimmy Carter…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
Well, I feel so HOLY after Scout’s sermons I might could drop my membership in the KKK. He never mentioned if the Bible forbids Socialism but I’m sure it does. And I’m sure it’s against Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and all those other Communist guvmint programs.
Heck, I might just skip going to the Church of Holiness next Sunday and wait for Scout’s sermon on this blog. I’m getting bored with the Rev. Postlewaite anyway. And besides, it’s downright dangerous out there on the road with all those hungry and bored church-goers on their way out of church.
Amen! Scout. And keep the sermons coming. It ain’t what you do or what you call people that counts. It’s what’s in your Heart! In my heart I’m a great fellow, no matter how many people I hate.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:06 pm
Paul,
I could be mistaken but I believe that regardless of vacation or Xmas or whatever that the potus has a mandatory state of the world security briefing every single morning of his presidency. I’m assuming when they go on vacation its really not a vacation. They probably are still working either an entire morning or at least several hours throughout the day just being informed of what’s going on. I’m looking now and seeing Obama talk about Libya. He’s not REALLY on vacation. No wonder all these guys have gray hair just a couple years into their 1st term.
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
6:07 pm
Joe Mama, No that’s what you said. America can buy oil from other Nations and People but we shouldn’t be kept from using some of our own resourses. Canada, Mexico, Northsea, Africa, etc..These are better sources than Mideast Opec Nations.
poison pen
August 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
“And can we stop referring to a professional adults who’s made a decision to serve, knowing full well it may cost life or limb, as ‘kids’ or ‘children?’ It’s demeaning.”
Paul. If you think a kid at 18 is a professional adult then I feel sorry for you. I raised 2 fine children who have since given us grandkids and I can tell you I would not want to send them to War, unless our country was attacked, then I would go again.
They aren’t even old enough to drink, but I guess in your wars any age is ok with you, if & when your kids are 18 then you should send them, because you think they are responsible adults.
Professional adults at 18, truely amazing. Have you ever served? and if so did you feel that you were a pro?
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
Dave R. “You have lost all credibility to question anyone else’s complaints about military use in the future, AmVet.”
Speaking of which, Dave, have you completed your research into the NATO Charter? I’d like to know where it says that NATO is forbidden to act militarily unless a member nation is attacked, as you claimed to me back in June.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:09 pm
I could not care less if the President of the United States is a Christian or not.
All I want him or her to do is focus on and fix the problems we have in the United Frikkin’ States of America, and nowhere else!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:11 pm
Speaking of which, Joe Mama, when did you stop beating your wife?
Crawl back under your rock.
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
6:12 pm
Logical Dude, josef fired first. Look at the earlier blogs. I except your apology.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
6:16 pm
TruthBe “Joe Mama, No that’s what you said.”
And that’s why I *asked* you, because you seemed to be saying that. Thank you for the clarification.
“America can buy oil from other Nations and People but we shouldn’t be kept from using some of our own resourses.”
Good. Can I also look forward to your support for development of solar, wind and advanced nuclear power technologies?
“Canada, Mexico, Northsea, Africa, etc..These are better sources than Mideast Opec Nations.”
North Sea generally = Norway and the UK, and IIRC, neither of those nations exports much petroleum. And when you’re talking about African countries with oil, you’re starting to get into Muslim territory. You sure you’re okay with us buying energy resources that come from there?
You might want to look into Brazil, too; a sizable offshore oil field was confirmed late last year, IIRC.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
TruthBe…
Nope. You fired first…wildly and without aim…but it did come my direction, so I fired back…
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
Well I was watching the Five on Fox at 5 pm. I’m addicted now. The libs can say all they want to about faux news. But the reality is that Kimberly Guilfoyle is hot- damn hot. And Andrea Tantaro is pretty nice looking too. Bob Beckel is a liberal but he’s still fun to listen to and does make some good liberal points. Damn I love it when Guifoyle is wearing a short skirt. Suhmoking.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:17 pm
Thulsa
That was Ms Perino’s point – it’s not at all what many think of as a vacation.
Good afternoon, josef
I agree. Like his personality or policies or not, he did, I think, try to practice what he felt the principles are.
I think a lot of people think “religious belief = an easy indicator of political or social beliefs.” Not so.
Look at Sen Harry Reid, Gov Romney and Gov Huntsman. All members of the same faith, yet their political views are widely different in specifics, altho I think they hold the same overarching goals for the country and its people.
Redneck Convert
“He never mentioned if the Bible forbids Socialism but I’m sure it does.”
Some people would be surprised.
Granted, of course, one’s definition of socialism is along the lines of Warren Buffet’s critics’ definition of socialism.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm
Dave R. — “Speaking of which, Joe Mama, when did you stop beating your wife?”
Yeah, I didn’t *think* you would. I was pretty sure that your claim about needing to do research was just a bunch of dodging and bulldada. Thanks for the confirmation on that, Dave-O. (laughing)
“Crawl back under your rock.”
It’s a rock called vacation, Dave, and the answer is no.
I shall continue to reply to you when and how I see fit, subject to the conditions and requirements imposed by our host. Too bad for you if you don’t like it.
They BOTH suck
August 22nd, 2011
6:20 pm
TD @ 6:17
Whats dude? Hope all is well
I must agree with you on your last post. Fox does have the babes without a doubt
Great marketing scheme and so so easy on the eyes
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Joe Mama,
Good grief. Are you right back to arguing and disputing every single sentence that someone writes like at 6:16? Sheesh.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Ah the liberal lies. They just go on, and on, and on.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
6:21 pm
Damn, the party started without me
Maybe Libya can split into North and South and have a real set to
LOL
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
Doom — “Good grief. Are you right back to arguing and disputing every single sentence that someone writes like at 6:16?”
I did nothing of the sort. Are you right back to not reading the things you respond to? (giggling)
“Sheesh.”
Exactly what I was thinking.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
Lies lies and more damn lies from liberals.
For example, there’s debate about charter schools and whether being freed from a union contract, as the charters mostly are, really matters. American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten (with whom I probably spend the most time in interviews for the book) brags about how the Brooklyn charter school she runs is unionized and is a raging success. In May, former Democratic National Committee chairman and Weingarten friend Howard Dean was on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” saying the same thing. The fact is that this teachers’ union-run charter school — with only 28% of its students testing proficient in English and 34% in math – got an “F” in student performance and student progress for the latest completed school year annual report card that New York City gives out to all schools.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
Wake up libs.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
PAUL
I’ll be blunt on this one…when Carter announced his run, it scared the sh*t out of me and I’ll admit to my prejudices in saying this…a Southern Baptist deacon from Plains, Georgia? Run for the hills…after meeting the man, I grudgingly questioned that, and having known many good, practicing Christians of the Baptist persuasion, I recognized that I could be wrong…well, I was…I wound up admiring him and his unflagging support of human rights…he’s a good man and while I still hold that Hamas thingie against him, his al Het notwithstanding, I do believe he practices what he preaches…
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
They BOTH suck,
Yeah. They’re all hot. Megan Kelly and others too. And whether or not you agree with them or not they’re all highly educated. I think all of them Megyn Kelly, Guilfoyle, Tantaros, and Lis Wiehl are also attorneys. I just start salivating when I see Guilfoyle wearing a short, tight skirt and they show side views of her and she’s on the end of the table of course.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:24 pm
WNYC simply and fairly presented the two points of view: the City’s claim that these were teachers with awful records, and the teachers’ claim that they were wonderful pedagogues targeted by tyrannical bureaucrats. I had no dog in this fight; either story would have been a good one – featherbedding incompetents or targeted whistle blowers drummed out of class. But I took the approach that there was lots that could be knowable about these idle teachers. First, I could spend as much time as possible with those who have the greatest stake in the argument — the Rubber Roomers themselves – and get them to tell me the specifics of their cases or to give me their own (union-paid) lawyers’ briefs in defense of the charges against them. Almost all refused to provide any such documents. That was telling, though not dispositive.
Most important, I could read the thousands of pages of testimony offered by both sides in their arbitration hearings to develop an objective view of whether the charges of incompetence made sense. That made all the difference. For example, would you want someone teaching your kids if her lawyer hours contesting the evidence of whether she had actually ever had custody of her teachers’ manual, which was her defense to the charge that she hadn’t prepared lesson plans, graded papers, or set up her classroom properly? Or, would you want your son or daughter being taught by a teacher whose defense for appointing the biggest kid in her class as the “enforcer” to keep the other children in line was that she was teaching “self-governance”?
In another case, trumpeted on the website of the United Federation of Teachers as an example of school officials targeting a terrific teacher simply because she was a high-salary veteran, the record – which was uncontested by the teacher’s own lawyer – showed that she had been found passed out dead drunk in front of her high school history students.
A few of the 800-plus Rubber Roomers were probably put there unfairly. But for me – and for my readers after I reported on the evidence — the reality that these were rooms full of malingerers became clear.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
Reading the hundred-page union contracts in force across the country pierced the unions’ claim that these are standard agreements only meant to provide decent working conditions for teachers and protect them from abuse at the hands of tyrannical principals. They turned out to be treasure troves of small-print clauses that make a mockery of the notion that public education’s priority is to nourish children rather than protect the adults. Like the one in New York City that specified the work day down to the half-minute and doesn’t allow principals to comment on the format of a teacher’s lesson plan. Or the ones in Wisconsin that paid teachers to attend both the state and regional union chapters’ conventions.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:25 pm
jm
Teachers’ unions are not a factor in Georgia…we don’t have them…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:26 pm
poison pen
“Paul. If you think a kid at 18 is a professional adult then I feel sorry for you. I raised 2 fine children who have since given us grandkids and I can tell you I would not want to send them to War, unless our country was attacked, then I would go again.”
back atcha’ -
My father served on a large Navy ship in WWII. They called the captain “the old man” as he was the oldest on board. He was around 25. They were all professionals.
Many of my friends were off to Vietnam at 18. Some enlisted, some not. But all were professionals, not kids or children.
Yes, I think an 18-year old who knows what this country has faced for the past dozen years and volunteers to serve is an adult, and in today’s military, a professional. I consider the enlisted and officer corps to be professionals. Not children, not kids.
I find it interesting you say “I would not want to send them to War, unless our country was attacked” yet you opposed or action in Afghanistan? Or did I misread that?
And let’s also stop with the pious personal appeals? When my children turned 18 I didn’t ’send’ or force them anywhere. They were mature adults who made their own decisions and I supported them.
Try going up to an Airman or Private out of basic or his/her first training school and addressing them as ‘kid’ or ‘child’, tell them they’re unprofessional and are not an adult.
I doubt you’ll get a positive response.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
Joe Mama,
Come on now Joe. I have a feeling you would argue the Bill Clinton definition of what is the definition of is if someone put it out there. What’s this about you beating your wife? Was dave just messin with you or did you wallop the woman good or give her the backhand of discipline?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:27 pm
I have now worked my way through a fog of claims that give new meaning to the notion that if you repeat something that is plainly untrue enough times it starts to seem true, or at least becomes part of the debate. For example, there’s the refrain from the deniers, including Ravitch, that charter schools skim only the best students in a community. Some may, but not the best ones like those in the KIPP or Success Academies networks, where students are admitted by lottery and which teach the same ratio of learning disabled students as the traditional public schools. Those are facts.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
Soothsayer
August 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
1. Foment “unrest” in target country.
2. Install comprador leadership in target country.
3. Kill off or marginalize original “rebels.”
4. Reap the rewards of the riches of that country.
Not very complicated is it?
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Josef: Shalom! I heard that once J. Edgar Hoover called all the agents that had infiltrated various CPA cells across the country back to Washington for a debriefing. The Party completely disappeared in 12 western states.
And “amen” on your Carter comment.
“Truth”; still waitinging on all those communist policies you hate so much.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:28 pm
Thulsa, I just keep attracting the cyber-stalkers.
I’m a stalker magnet!
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:29 pm
josef 6:25 – here you go buddy. that same canard.
A. I care about education all over this country, not just GA (or FL)
B. That’s a bunch of bunk. The association wields huge influence. Witness Roy’s fall and other manipulations.
Or there’s the unions’ canard, also routinely repeated in the press (and even in a thoughtful review of my book in Sunday’s New York Times) that unions can’t be the problem because southern states with weak laws protecting unions have some of the worst performing school systems. First, teachers unions generally have so much political clout that they are often strong even in states without strong unions generally. Second, in the last decade as reform-minded officials in states like Florida and Louisiana have pushed for accountability, the results have been clear. For example, before Jeb Bush — probably the most ardent education reform governor ever — took office in Florida in 1999, his state’s fourth graders ranked third from the bottom in reading; when he left, they ranked sixth from the top. Meantime, New Orleans, which was among the nation’s worst performing urban school system before Hurricane Katrina, now ranks as one of the best because of the reformers’ overhaul that accompanied the rebuilding of the system following the hurricane.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
Thulsa, Dave was messin’ with him. Drop it.
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
josef, As usual you’re wrong. But that’s OK because you’re doing the best you can. As old as you are. Really old that is. Have Fun. Josef as for my aim????? Pretty good how about yours?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
6:31 pm
Fact: American public education is failing our children and it is especially failing the disadvantaged children who need it the most. Amazingly, the unions occasionally even deny this, claiming that all of the multiple international comparisons are somehow inaccurate. One of the challenges in doing the book was picking from the array of shocking, depressing statistics showing how poorly our public schools are performing compared to those in other countries, including countries we don’t usually think of as our global competitors in the knowledge economy.
• Fact: This is not a matter of money. We spend much more per student than those other countries for our lousy results, and while we’ve kept increasing our spending, we haven’t improved performance.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/21/the-school-reform-deniers/
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:32 pm
PAUL
When Oldest Boy came home from basic, 19, and was a bit too, well, “grown up,” Unmentionable told him, “don’t go gettin’ uppity around here, Butch, some of us diapered your lil nekkid butt…!”
But, I’m old enough to remember the days of Vietnam when you could die for your country but couldn’t vote or have a beer…can vote now, but can’t have a beer…used to, but not now…
@@
August 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
Thanks for the recipes! I’m not a heavy drinker, but dirty martinis take me back to my childhood. Dad always gave me his gin & vermouth infused olives.
At social gatherings, I’m the one who goes around asking “Are you gonna eat those olives?”
Yummy!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
Geez, Paul, focusing on the minutiae this evening are we?
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
josef
I knew a man, retired admiral (think about a LtGeneral equivalent) who new Pres Carter when he was serving. Spoke highly of his character. I may have thought him out of his element, a bit lacking in some of the requirements of office (and I can chalk some of that up to the fact he was an engineer
) but I do not doubt his faith.
So there it is again – one can admire a person’s adherence to his beliefs and his desire to practice them yet disagree with his policies or politics.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
Doom — “Come on now Joe. I have a feeling you would argue the Bill Clinton definition of what is the definition of is if someone put it out there.”
Come on now, Doom. I didn’t argue with him. If you look at his post and my reply, you’ll see that I’m asking for *clarification,* not argument.
But when it comes to you and Dave, sure, I’m down for an argument.
“What’s this about you beating your wife? Was dave just messin with you or did you wallop the woman good or give her the backhand of discipline?”
Dave’s mad at me because I slammed him good on the topic of NATO back in June. He doesn’t like to be reminded of it. He made a number of claims and assertions that turned out to either be outright wrong (example: he claimed that Ireland’s a NATO member state; it isn’t) or completely unsupported (example: he claimed that NATO was restrained by its charter from acting military unless a member state is attacked — but the charter says no such thing)
I wouldn’t hit my wife, but even if I were so inclined, it’d be a bad idea. As you know, my wife’s Hispanic, and she’d likely knife me in my sleep if I did something like that.
Anyway, keep it up, because I’m heading out to have dinner with my wife. Maybe I’ll post later about how I didn’t hit her, just to see Dave call me a liar. (laughing)
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:35 pm
Dave R.,
You got more stalkers than Carter has peanuts. You must be doin somethin right.
Joe Mama
August 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
Military should = militarily in my previous post.
Out now.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:36 pm
Dave R
Which post?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:37 pm
I can’t even begin to explain how horrible the thought of a dirty martini is to me.
But then, since I really don’t do hard liquor and hate olives, that is understandable.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
jm
I work in education in Georgia…the associations have no power…and if you know something the teachers don’t on that…fill us in…we could use a little blat’
TruthBe…
Hate to bust your stereotypic bubble…but I grew up with a gun in my hands…Granny could pop the eyes out of a moccasin from across the slough…Great Granny popped her a couple of Yankee invaders come to close her school…personally, I prefer baseball bats and switch blades, but am a pretty good shot. My own kids learned gun safety and target practice pretty much as soon as they could walk and talk…I’m a big Second Amendment feller, too…
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
6:39 pm
Joe Mama “I wouldn’t hit my wife, but even if I were so inclined, it’d be a bad idea. As you know, my wife’s Hispanic, and she’d likely knife me in my sleep if I did something like that.”
Did you ever hear what some Senator had to say about the Clinton affair? Something like: “If that was me the next thing I’d hear would be ‘How do I reload this thing?’”
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
“Dave’s mad at me because I parsed and word-smithed my way out of a discussion on the topic of NATO back in June. Which he hates.”
Fixed your typo, Joe Mama. No thanks needed
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:40 pm
I wouldn’t hit my wife, but even if I were so inclined, it’d be a bad idea. As you know, my wife’s Hispanic, and she’d likely knife me in my sleep if I did something like that. – Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
As a Spanish speaker I’m very familiar with Hispanic women- and culturally most of them come from cultures where the women are pretty much 2nd class citizens. From all the Hispanic cultures I’ve seen the women don’t fight back if they’re hit. What the man says is the law and that’s that. The women tend to be very meek. Not sure which of the Hispanic cultures your wife is from but I can’t think of any of the Hispanic cultures where women aren’t well behind the man in terms of status. Maybe Puerto Rico where Puerto Rican women tend to have a lot of freedom but that’s about it.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
Joe Mama…
Do Lorena Bobbit ring a bell…
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
6:41 pm
Redneck @ 6:06:
Socialism in the Bible?
Just remember the parable of the talents that Jesus used.
The one given ten talents when and made ten more and was “praised” for his hard work.
The one given five talents when and made five more and was “praised” for his hard work.
The person given one talent went and hit it and then brought it to his master who condemned him for being “lazy” !
The Bible reports …………. you decide.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Excuse me: “went and made”
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Dave R,
Joe mama does have that habit of getting into semantics wars and word games. It gets old in a New York minute.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:42 pm
Just the whole “children” and “kids” military thing, Paul.
I understand the principle behind the arguments (on both sides) but it just seems to have gone on a bit too long, ya know?
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:43 pm
Thulsa…
Costa Rica, Argentina. Chile, Uruguay…and I know I’d think twice before taking on a Dominicana or a Cubana…
@@
August 22nd, 2011
6:45 pm
Dave R.:
But then, since I really don’t do hard liquor and hate olives, that is understandable.
Hard liquor? Never. It’s salt in the olives & brine. I’ve heard tell it’s a woman’s craving due to adrenal exhaustion. Overall, we work longer hours than men.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Paul, in pen’s defense (like he would want ME defending him!!), I also refer to those young men and women in uniform as kids. But in the context of somebody else’s kids.
Your excellent points notwithstanding, I don’ think he is being derogatory with the use of that term…
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Good Lord, I just realized Joe Mama is still mad about a blog conversation from back in June? Criminy. You really do have a stalker Dave R.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:49 pm
I’m just a lightning rod of hate for the stalker-class, Thulsa!
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
josef, Good for you. But don’t ever bring only a knife to a gun fight.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
Dave R.
poison pen used that as an argument against military involvement in our current wars.
I took issue with characterizing adults in the military in such terms.
Each response, from poison pen and from myself, brought in new elements.
You are free to skip reading them.
Scout
You identified it as a parable but seem to interpret it literally, in a business sense. Interesting.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:50 pm
jm
Charter schools are a fundamental element in the reform of Orleans Parish Schools following Katrina…check into it…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
@@, I just can’t stand the hard stuff unless mixed with copious amounts of fruity juices.
And on the subject of “things I did not know but learned on Pawn Stars”, I learned the origin of the mixed drink came during Prohibition. As Rick explains it, the bathtub gin was so nasty, the only way to get it down was to mix it with something more palatable.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
Josef,
Several of those countries I would agree with- especially the South American nations like Argentina which have a heavy European influence. And I had a hot little Cuban girlfriend when I lived in Miami and she was somewhat of a firecracker. But gnerally speaking most Hispanic women come from countries where they wouldn’t dare fight back if they were abused. Not as beaten down as say women in an Islamic culture but certainly not equal relative to men as in north American culture.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
TruthBe
Funny you should say that…I have and the knife won out…the gunslinger wasn’t expecting it…the click of the blade threw him off guard and I was able to disarm him…baseball bat by the front door…firearm in the nightstand…switchblade out at night on foot in questionable places…
Of course a broken beer bottle is not something to sneer at…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
Paul’s become almost as thin-skinned as josef!
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:55 pm
AmVet
Thanks for the perspective. I see the point – and how the context (referring third hand vs to individuals) changes the meaning.
When you’re in DFW remind me to tell you the story about one of my sons and an AF recruiter and his squadron commander. You’ll appreciate it.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
Dave R.
I learn from the Master -
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
And with that, I’m off to dinner.
Looking forward to the 10 p.m. episode of Pawn Stars with the guy trying to sell the “Robo-saurus” that can rip cars in half for a million bucks to Big Hoss!
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
6:57 pm
“I just can’t stand the hard stuff unless mixed with copious amounts of fruity juices.”
Where I come from we call these froo froo drinks- specially if they have one of them cutesy little umbrellas in em. Nothin wrong with a froo froo drink if you’re on a caribbean vacation of course- specially if the bartender or waittress is a hotty.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
THULSA
You’ve got a point…professional discretion prohibits too many details, but we had a rural Mexican mother who was a victim…the Puerto Rican, Argentine and Cuban women got wind of it…the rest I will leave to the conjecture…suffice it to say that Pancho went back to Mexico…
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
Paul:
Do with it what you will but it sure wasn’t “socialism”.
“If a man will not work, let him not eat”.
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
“For example, there’s the refrain from the deniers, including Ravitch, that charter schools skim only the best students in a community. Some may, but not the best ones like those in the KIPP or Success Academies networks, where students are admitted by lottery and which teach the same ratio of learning disabled students as the traditional public schools. Those are facts.”
Sorry, jm. Not a fact. The mere act of parents caring enough to apply for a lottery puts their children in a separate category from the general student body. That should not be interpreted in any way as a criticism of the parents or the school, but it remains a fact that must be taken into account when comparing outcomes.
KIPP is also more demanding of its students, which in effect means those unable or unwilling to compete are forced out of the school, an option not available in the general public school system unless you’re willing to accept a much higher dropout rate, which defeats the purpose.
KIPP also argues against your claim that more money is not needed to produce better outcomes, given that the per-pupil cost at KIPP is considerably higher than at general public schools. For example, “Depending on what one wishes to include in “per-student” expenses, the total cost of the program for NYC students was between $13,000 and $19,000 per student in 2008, $11,023 of which comes directly from state per-pupil funding.” (source: http://www.givewell.org/united-states/top-charities/kipp#Doesitwork)
And your contention that unions are the source of the problem is frankly silly. To the contrary, states with effective teacher unions — i.e. those in the Northeast, upper Midwest and West Coast — tend to do better than on educational tests than those without unions. I am not implying causation with that observation. But it remains a fact nonetheless.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
AmVet
That M56X is gonna get you in so much trouble……..
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:02 pm
DAVE
I’m sensitive, g’dammit!
camillus
August 22nd, 2011
7:04 pm
Here’s a very interesting video of a *CANADIAN* Muslim’s take on Western Society;
Freedom, Democracy, Justice, etc.
Some excellent perspectives are contained in this short lecture;
http://www.livestream.com/ideacity/video?clipId=flv_fd017d81-dc18-42cc-821a-18b86fdea840
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
JAY
So, those tests are a monitor of “success” Yeah, sure, Beverley, whatever you say…and BTW went pretty well with a little gin and relief offered by the blog…thanks for being there in my time of need…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Scout
I noticed in the past you posted the same question several times. If memory serves me correctly, you wanted to know who said, or the origin of, ‘from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.”
I think you might’ve known the answer but were just encouraging people to do research. If you really were looking for the source material, you may want to read at the end of the Book of Acts, fourth chapter.
It concerns the early body of Christian believers. Jesus has gone and left the believers/church under the direction of Peter and the apostles. It says: “And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.”
So all of them gave all they had acquired thru their abilities, then they received back according to their need.
Then it goes on to tell about a husband and wife who sold all they had, gave most to the church but held part of it back for themselves. Wasn’t a good outcome.
Make of it what you will.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm
Paul, I still remember mine. SSgt Don Piper. Funny the minutiae that sticks with a person.
And even in that rinky town in which I enlisted, there were a dozen guys KIA’d in Nam.
And Doom, I have a MAJOR mea culpa to share with you.
I did some investigating recently, even calling the Nebraska Secretary of State. Asked them about voting while on active duty at age 17. The woman was real cool (most Cornhuskers are!) and said there was a guy who had been there that long (!) and that if anybody knew, it would be him. A few moments later she came back and said, “No he didn’t think that was possible.”
I simply misremembered. I voted via Nebraska absentee ballot in 1976, not 1972. Take a guess who I voted for? (grin)
Thought you’d like to know…
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
josef & Jay
I don’t even know why either of you bothered with that. Don’t you know that unions are evil, even the unions that don’t exist as such. The educational associations in GA are no different than any other professional association. I have never, to this date, ever seen any conservative label any other professional association group outside of education related groups as a union. I wouldn’t waste time and/or bandwidth with that argument as you would have more success debating a brick stacked and cemented into a wall.
TruthBe
August 22nd, 2011
7:11 pm
josef, Sounds like you live in the hood or Dekalb.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
7:12 pm
josef 6:50 – if I do well enough financially at some point, I’d consider teaching…. KIPP’s pretty good from what I can tell, read, hear.
Jay 7:00 – some fair points you make sir. Well, I’d say the author was making the unions problems points and I was echoing them, but same result. As the author states, fixing the public school systems is the real need, not more charter schools. However, unions are not embracing reform. Unless one is insane, accepting the status quo isn’t acceptable. Unions fight testing, teacher reviews, firing of poor performers, and advice from principals.
This may be more of a problem with northeastern unionized systems than FL or GA. But that’s all you need to know. Teachers are against improving performance. Nough said.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
Should have said “Unions are against improving performance. Nough said.”
There are lots of good teachers out there, and most don’t support their union. But its pretty much impossible to undo a union. Kind of like a messed up condo association.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
7:13 pm
“Unfortunately the young often turn out to be nothing more than idealistic young fools.”
Thulsa, God gave us young people to keep us from killing ourselves with cynicism.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
7:14 pm
AmVet
Time has a way of doing that.
The ‘72 election – I remember as a newbie in college, class discussion touched on the upcoming election, I asked if a person agreed with what one candidate said, but did not trust his character to act according to what he said, and disagreed with another candidate on some issue, but felt the candidate was honest and could be trusted to act according to what he said – which one do you vote for?
Reaction was much as it is on this blog.
And I’m sure you can guess which one I voted for.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
7:17 pm
Sounds like you live in the hood or Dekalb.
I am a part-time resident of the “hood” in DeKalb.
Are you suggesting that it is somehow an inferior place to live?
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
7:18 pm
I would have voted for Nixon, if I had the vote back then.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
Saddam gone.
Daffy gone.
Assad soon to be gone.
More to come.
What did Carter do?
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
7:20 pm
Paul, one of the great campaign slogans of all time – Don’t Change Dicks in the Middle of a Screw, Vote for Nixon in 72!
The day he announced his resignation I had just walked into the squadron building for work and it came on the radio. I had to exercise every ounce of restraint I could muster, not to start jumping up and down and whooping like a drunk!
I figured the lifers and occifers would not find my escapade amusing…
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
jm: Why all the personalinvective against teachers? Bad experience in schools? Come to the school where I teach and find the teachers who are “are against improving performance.” And as josef and many others here have pointed out, no teacher’s unions represent any Georgia teacher.
Teachers out of state are probably like most other union members, some love the union and some hate it.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
7:21 pm
I would have voted for Nixon.
In the words of the late Lewis Grizzard, “Brother, I wouldn’ta told that.”
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
7:26 pm
Jay
I was way too idealistic back then. And I liked comparing McGovern’s ideas with his life experiences. He was an interesting guy.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
What’s the Nixon connection here? Or do I have to read 15pgs?
I was too young to vote for Nixon but old enough to watch…16ish….he had a lot of successes…Watergate was bad, but like most scandals it’s the cover-up is what kills ya … I’ve read a lot about him….he was not a man in the middle ….both his successes and failures where to the extremes
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
7:28 pm
AmVet
You demonstrated remarkably sound judgment at an early age, you know that?
I must add, I’m still pretty idealistic. More realistic, sure, but idealistic nonetheless.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
7:29 pm
‘if I had the vote back then’
Y’all catch that? Now that’s how the whacks are done!
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:30 pm
Camillus
Thanks for the link…most interesting….are you familiar with Irshad Manji? Looks like the Canadian Muslims are, well, speaking up and out…
https://www.irshadmanji.com/
@@
August 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
My husband, a far right-winger, voted for Carter. It’s the homeboy thingy.
It’s his only regret in life…a BIG ONE!!!
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:32 pm
Brosephus…
I’m a slow learner!
TruthBe
Nope. Buckhead.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
7:33 pm
@@ ” voted for Carter. It’s the homeboy thingy.
It’s his only regret in life…a BIG ONE!!”
I’m in that camp!
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:34 pm
moonbat
Human rights…big deal with me…
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:36 pm
jm
Teach…it’s worth every minute…nothing more rewarding in the world as far as I’m concerned…
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
7:37 pm
SC
Nixon?? Hell I was too young to vote for Bush I…
camillus
August 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
Thanks, Josef;
No I was not aware of Irshad… G-d keep her safe & bless her message!
Thanks very much for sharing that link…it sure is encouraging.
best regards to unmentionable & you, too!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
7:41 pm
Paul, not really! I got in a lot of trouble when I was in. Nothing really major, no Article 15s, just lots of shenanigans. One time I caught some flak for wearing a US flag while off base and off duty. I’m not kiddin’.
But for the most part, the Sr. NCOs liked me, knew they could count on me and when I really needed them a couple of times, they stood up for me…
cat, we’re just strolling down election memory lane.
And yes, Nixon was not incompetent. Just paranoid and a malicious, miserable man with power in a party of malcontents…
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
7:43 pm
“And yes, Nixon was not incompetent. Just paranoid and a malicious, miserable man with power in a party of malcontents”
Did you know that Johnny Carson finally told his writers that he would not do any more Nixon jokes? Said “He’s a sick man”
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
7:47 pm
Thanks Bro – as if this past few weeks didn’t make me feel old enough…..an AARP mailing and a half century marker….but I’m still 26 upstairs..
hopefully you’ll get there someday too
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:48 pm
camillus
Thanks for the good wishes…and, ssshhh, don’t tell anybody around here….but I’m a secret agent for Irshad’s PR Department…
Seriously, though, she’s a heroine of mine…and the best part is what a great sense of humor she brings to so serious a discussion…
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
7:51 pm
…..an AARP mailing…
Heh, heh heh — only one of many to come….
josef
August 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
K’chak
Ain’t it the truth! Not to mention those calls offering help with “asset management for your retirement!”
camillus
August 22nd, 2011
7:54 pm
Why doe’s that not surprise me, Josef.
“let a message/testimony be confirmed by 2 or more witnesses”
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
7:57 pm
SC
If it makes you feel any better, I got my first AARP mailing around 10 years ago when I first moved to the Atlanta area. My wife didn’t let me live that one down for a long, long time. I’m actually part of that forgotten generation. We’re old enough that we’ve been paying into SS, Medicaid, and other things for 20 years plus, however, it seems like we’ll be the first ones to retire without even getting a whiff of the money we’ve already put in.
I clocked b’day #38 this year, and I feel every bit of it. Old and wise enough to know when to pick and choose my battles, and still young enough to open up a keg of whoop ass if necessary for that battle.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
Kam – et tu, Brute?….i chuckled too…for a moment
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:00 pm
If a cat in a box receives an AARP letter in the mail, in can be assumed that the envelope is both sealed and opened until we open the box to make a determination.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:03 pm
Schrödinger’s cat
Can’t pretend that growing older never hurts.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
8:05 pm
josef @ 7:36. Yeah! and they even throw in a paycheck once a month!
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
8:06 pm
josef: how about the calls helping you dispose of your timeshare?
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
8:08 pm
Human rights?
I believe Bush activated a huge African initiative?
For aids and famine relief.
What has Obama done?
Besides cluster bombs?
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
jm
You 110% miss the point about teaching and try to make unions the culprits, it’s way more complex but I will simplify; Education and learning is a three legged stool, parents, teachers, students. Take any one of the legs away and the stool fails. As for the jeb bush testing myth, remember this, in order for a test to be valid and reliable, the test must be consistent and proven. the florida fcat is a test that has been changed and altered every year of its existence. You can make a test that will give glowing results but has minimal substance. Why do you think SAT’s are used as a benchmark test? Because they are reliable and valid, not some johnny come lately testing company in the game for profit. Stick to something you supposedly know about like the stock market…
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:10 pm
Mr B…
Back when I was starting out on life’s journey and working in the newspaper, we had a payroll clerk who was something of a tyrant and a suck up to the owners…we had this one employee, a character, who went in one day and told her “I’ve come for that so-called paycheck…” That’s about the way I feel when they throw me mine…
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:12 pm
Bro 7:57
I’m the same generation
Someone has to buck up and fix this. Might as well be us. Won’t be the boomers or current retirees. Someone has to save america from financial Armageddon. I’m willing to do my part…. You?
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
8:13 pm
“Why all the personal invective against teachers?”
————————————————————-
The Koch brothers have had a mission of dismantling public schools, and unions for that matter, for years, and that has translated to disparaging public schools and public school teachers. Some citizens are not aware of how public opinion regarding public schools and teachers has been negatively manipulated.
See the following video. South Carolina schools may be resegregated, if not by race certainly by class, as a result of the Koch brothers recent campaign there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mbJhjCbwo8&feature=share
————————————————————————————————
A few words of mine on another blog recently, somewhat altered.
“. . .and I worked with school psychologists, social workers, counselors, parents, teachers, and others to help students with special needs become better adjusted in school.
Parents have no idea what the masses of students are dealing with in our nation. A given charter school, or private schools, can take care of only a very few of the masses. To think that private schools can ever take care of the masses of students – and their myriad variations of need – is naive, at best. As a wholistic system of design, it is inadequate although some individual students may be helped.
Students cannot learn if they are not taught individually on their own instructional levels. Students have various ability levels and do not learn curriculum at the same pace.The answer is to put more resources into public schools and to train teachers better in individualized attention to instruction. That means more paraprofessionals, more team teaching, more parental tutors, more business involvement as partners in education through furnishing resources and personnel to come into public schools to help with individual instructional need, and also to function as mentors to students.
If, as a nation, we cannot offer public education to every student with our tax dollars, we are failing to live up to our founders’ intent of what America should be. Jefferson was a strong advocate of public education, for all, because he knew literary creates an elevated citizenry. Public education needs to be improved, not dismantled.”
(I posted this simply for reflection. I don’t care to entertain discussion, myself, on the points I have made this evening.)
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:14 pm
In spite of my warnings, we are being herded over the cliff of economic catastrophe.
Kinda late to the party with that observation.
About thirty years too late.
Trickle-on, Econ 101, laissez-faire, phlogiston alchemy had an expiration date.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:16 pm
Mick 8:10 and what you miss is good teachers can and do make a world of difference. Government can’t tell parents what to do. But we can hire and reward good teachers.
Furthermore I refuse to believe the parents in the US are somehow so much worse than those in the other 30 nations ahead of us now
Our teachers on average suck thanks to unions
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:16 pm
josef: how about the calls helping you dispose of your timeshare?
Or reverse mortgages.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
Oh Good grief. Mary E. thinks the Koch brothers are the ones responsible for the dismantling of the U.S public. education system. You can’t make up stuff like this.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:17 pm
moonbat
Bush gets high marks in my book for what he did for AIDS in Africa…human rights was Carter…Obama? Remember, I didn’t vote for him in 08 and won’t vote for him in 12…but he has, imho, done a pretty good job of transcending race, his Libya policy has been the right one, imho, no bloodbath in Benghazi (though that may be Susan and Hillary!), a good role model for husband and father at a time we needed them greatly, loved it when he served the bankers a glass of water…lots of things which, in the grander scale of things may not be so outstanding, but speak to a good nature…oh, yes, and as for policies? Some pretty good appointments in the advisory…course he’s a bit too far to the right to suit me…
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
Mick I look forward to hearing what u propose to fix the other 2 legs of the stool
The teaching problem is fixable but broken and the unions don’t want to fix it. It’s really indefensible and the populace is waking up to it. Liberals need to learn to adapt and change or they will lose
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
8:18 pm
Kam – Wow…talk about a flashback…I was a “Who” fan in the day…saw them post Keith Moon….and later a fond appreciation for PT in the early 80’s…..what was her name?….anyway…I’ll have to reacquaint myself with the lot…
Cheers!
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
Gotta go Mick let me know how to fix those other two legs
Research and supporting links required
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
This film and investigation connects the dots and reveals why the Koch brothers are trying to end public education and how their wealth winds up in the hands of Jim Crow. Watch the video, then call David Koch and tell him to stop funding school resegregation now.- Mary E’s link on the Koch brother’s war on education.
I don’t know what’s crazier- the people that make up crap like this or the people that believe it.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:22 pm
jm
Last time I made a statement in that arena, I was accused of beating old people into the pavement. I have no problem stepping to the plate to correct past errors. Somebody’s gotta straighten things out.
Furthermore I refuse to believe the parents in the US are somehow so much worse than those in the other 30 nations ahead of us now
I’ll have to object to that one. I’ve seen plenty a parent who’s outlook and actions on their kid’s education gives me reason to fear the future. We have a pretty bad crop of parents festering amongst us right about now. That’s what happens when you have kids raising kids and refusing to listen to advice from others who have already traveled the road they’re embarking upon.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
8:24 pm
Messiah – you kill me…really
Do your own homework…at least wiki and google
Can you explain to the average Joe, why black holes can’t have “hair”?….a seriously question
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm
Enter your comments here
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:26 pm
Timeshares and reverse mortgages…yow! Those, too…
FORGOTTEN
“…and, sure, the demons who populate Germany are suddenly going to see the light about the Jew’s Banks”
Is that sarcasm, or are you serious? Please, clarify…
AND
“Libya is a patched-together state of ethno-sectarian tribes”
Hunh? Libya is one of the most ethnically homogenous states in the ME and almost entirely Sunni Muslim…tribal? To a flaw…patched-together, to a degree…but as far from ethno-sectarian as you can get in that part of the world…a few Berbers, a handful of Christians and that’s it…
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
8:27 pm
betty, read up on Bush’s Africa “aid”.
Lots of hype, but his record on that continent is really very poor. And even his much ballyhooed AIDS help was pretty screwed up.
As for your earlier question, it should be redacted to read what did Carter/Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush do?
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
josef: Back in the 50s most employers paid with cash, which came in a small brown envelope. One midwestern manufacturer began including a note which read “Your pay is your business. Please do not discuss it with other employees.” One Friday, a long-time employee handed the envelope back to the paymaster. Inside was a note that read “Don’t worry. I’m not any prouder of it than you are.”
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
8:28 pm
I too have one of these pos iPads
They stink!
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
8:29 pm
jm
I’ll tell you what mr. know it all, go teach for one year, then get back to me. Sure there are some lousy teachers, as there are doctors, lawyers. Parents have the most power in getting rid of incompetent teachers, they can demand it. What about private school teachers that have no unions? You think all of them are picture perfect? Anti-union bias will only take you so far, then you have to see the real issue as it hits you between the eyes – it’s the parents home environment for learning, it’s the student’s responsibility to pull their own weight, and finally it’s the teacher who transmits the knowledge – get it?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
…a few Berbers, a handful of Christians and that’s it…
Whew! Had to read that twice. I originally read Beibers.
One of him is bad enough without someone cloning him.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:31 pm
AmVet,
Got your post earlier about voting when you were 17. It was pretty obvious all along that you probably just misremembered. But you know us cons. Never let a good opportunity go to bash a liberal. Anyway I kinda figured that all along. Just wasn’t going to let you know it. Anyway, its all water under the bridge to me. And a mea culpa on my part for being such an ass over it.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:32 pm
jm
If you do go into the schoolhouse, you’re going to be surprised at just how few “liberals” you’re going to find on the front lines…come sit in the teachers’ lounge…you’ll get quite the earfull…
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:34 pm
First we had AmVet’s mea culpa, and now this???
And a mea culpa on my part for being such an ass over it.
What in the hell are y’all drinking on?? and who drinks that heavily on a Monday??
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:35 pm
Thulsa
And a tip o’the tam for that apology to ZamVet…
K’chak…
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:36 pm
But your heroes, and traitors, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld REFUSED TO ATTACK.
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I vote Republican.
I’m a die hard liberal, sport.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
brosephus@8:34
It’s the rodney king solution, “can’t we all just get along?”
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
FORGOTTEN
FOGOTTEN
REPEAT…..
“…and, sure, the demons who populate Germany are suddenly going to see the light about the Jew’s Banks”
Is that sarcasm, or are you serious? Please, clarify
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:38 pm
BOSEPHUS
It’s the alcohol…Friday I was just about ready to sit down and have a sip with Helen Thomas…
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
8:39 pm
Thulsa@ 8:17 p.m.
“Mary E. thinks the Koch brothers are the ones responsible for the dismantling of the U.S public. education system.”
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Your statement is wildly dramatic. It implies that I think the Koch brothers are the only ones responsible for dismantling U.S. public education. That is misleading to readers. I never said that. You did not read carefully enough. And you mislead.
The Koch brothers are two – of many – of a rightwing ideology who are pushing the agenda of dismantling public schools. There are also others, who are not ideologues, who want to change public education to private education for their own reasons. However, there can be no doubt that the Koch brothers, and many others who are ideologues as they are, have been trying for years to cut severely government programs.
Check out the website on the video I gave above, and check out ALEC, which dates back to 1973 and which involves many, many more than simply the Koch brothers in this ideological agenda to make America more Libertarian. The Atlantic did an extended expose on the Koch brothers about a year ago. Open your eyes.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
8:39 pm
Thanks, Doom. You’re…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66UUgH5k1eo
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
Mick @ 8:29,
I would agree with you on the role of parents in education today. It just seems to me that its more a problem with parent’s in today’s culture than anything else. Very few people think that the problem is teachers. Many of us cons think part of it is teacher’s unions- not to be confused with teachers.
I can’t speak for anyone else here but growing up k-12 I can think of one incompetent teacher out of all the many teachers I had. I think what his deal was that he just mailed it in since it was his last year and he was retiring. Otherwise I can’t think of one single teacher that I didn’t admire or in retrospect that wasn’t good to excellent at his job. Especially in high school where just about every teacher I had was exceptional. And I went to school in Alabama. I would find it difficult to believe that in one generation that the teaching profession just completely went to shyte. I’m not buying it. Teacher’s unions I have a different opinion on alltogether.
I’ve no problem with them representing teachers adequately but its ridiculous some of the teachers that don’t get fired and while I want our teachers to be well paid I think that in some states like California one of the problems bankrupting the state is the powerful public unions.
Soothsayer
August 22nd, 2011
8:45 pm
Jay: he’s baaaaaaack! Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay are you listening?
Gator Joe
August 22nd, 2011
8:46 pm
Jay,
It’s fascinating to hear the Right Wing negatively spin what they, and most intelligent, thinking people know, that the President’s decision regarding Libya was correct. Of course only they, contrary to the facts, can describe the President’s actions as wrong.
Also Jay, you have a heavy load to shoulder now that Cynthia has moved on. It’s got to be tough for you to be the remaining voice of reason here.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
Mick
I never thought I’d see the day. Next thing, Jay will be posting cute pictures of baby kittens on Friday evening.
josef
I don’t think Golden Grain would accomplish that!!!
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
AmVet,
As usual nice video selection. Loved it.
josef,
Hell I owed it to AmVet. It was long overdue
brocephus,
Did you go to school in Central Alabama also or just college at ASU? Don’t know about you but I thought I got a fine k-12 education in the public system. Dozier, then Georgia Washington, then JD. Others may look at the finished product and disagree on that “fine k-12 edumacation” in my case of course.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
Josef 8:32 doesn’t immensely surprise me
I do think teaching is very difficult, even for bright students
All the more reason we need very high quality teachers. Our children are our future and our most important resource
If they don’t have the skills needed to compete, we will all be poorer off. Not just them
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
The Koch brothers . . . .
BOO!
Somebody needs to share the rubber room with our other conspiracy theorist.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
ZamVet
Nope. Sorry. No Bush fanatic myself, but he gave more to AIDS in Africa than those before or since…give the devil his dues even when you’d prefer not to…I know it’s hard for you to do, but give it a shot. I promise you, it’s a lot like the bidness mitzvah, you’ll feel better…
And he did appoint the first openly gay ambassador…means a lot to me coming from someone who set out to go for a career in the State Department but had to choose between that and lying about who I am and who Unmentionable is…
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm
doom
Thanks for your real world perspective. I went to catholic grade school with nuns (it was a hoot). Back in the day I could diagram a sentence three ways to hell and was a member of the good penmanship club. I went to public school in junior high and high school and had many influential teachers Florida teacher unions are relatively tame compared to the northeast, really they are not that radical and bad teachers can and do get canned, as they should. It’s not a coincidence that the lowest performing schools are in neighborhoods where the family structure has collapsed.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Oh, Jay!
Keep and eye on this “The Forgotten Messiah”, will ya?
Methinks we have a repeat lurker on the loose!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Criminy – I go to dinner and come back to a damn lovefest
You guys need more alcohol in you, even if its Monday
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm
Actually when it comes to education…can I interject a few comments…I’ve read it on here and other places comments like…the Japanese and Indians are just smarter in math and science etc etc (please I’m not trying to offend no one, just hear me out)…to me those cultures are very good at positioning their children to be successful…whether it AP classes, tutoring or whatever…and they can help with calculus homework..(but you can farm that out). the key is learning/knowing how to set that path…and if you’ve never done it …ya don’t know…training the parents on how to point their kids in “right” direction is key…IMHO
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm
Mick I don’t think I know it all. As a matter of fact, I know I know very little
However, I read. And I see no purpose in debating opinions. If you want to debate facts with countervailing evidence that 800 rubber room teachers were the subject of abuse of power, well then I look forward to reading it
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm
Kamchak
“I’m a die hard liberal,…”
If Barry Goldwater were alive, the current Republican Party would say the same about him -
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm
Messiah…
Why I bother, I’ll never know..but…
What’s with the Jew Banker allusion…that’s what disturbs me enough to ask for clarification…
Tribes in Libya are not ethnic and not religious based….
And the nuns? Yep…had a lot of them in my educational background…and remember, a rabbi who must praise himself has a congregation of one…
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
You guys need more alcohol in you, even if its Monday
Well, you know us old farts.
The hoveround can only go so fast between the bar and the computer….
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
josef, two of the things I applauded him for were that and his response after 9/11.
I said his in Africa there was over-rated, not without merit.
And good call on . I had forgotten…
But President George Bush has quietly nominated six gay men for positions in his administration, including the recent appointment of another gay San Franciscan to a board that could play a key role in the war on terrorism — and the nominations have been approved with comparatively little opposition.
With just a routine one-paragraph announcement, the Bush administration nominated Arthur Collingsworth in September to a board created in 1991 to interest people in pursuing careers as linguists and in other areas related to global security.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-12-29/news/17575203_1_gay-gop-group-global-security-nomination
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
Only josef would dive into shark-infested waters . . .
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
JAY
If you’re here…is Forgotten posting from Pennsylvania like mine and K’chak’s “friend” a year or so back? Sounds to me like he’s from the same “party.”
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
Kam – you said it not I.
I hope you included josef in that
Bro is too young to include LOL
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
There’s a part of me that hopes I never have to need a hoveround.
And another part of me that thinks they’re pretty cool.
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
The expose on the Koch brothers which I mentioned in my last post was not from The Atlantic; it was instead from “The New Yorker” of August 30, 2010, and it entitled, “Covert Operations” regarding dealings of the Koch Brothers, by writer Jane Mayer.
I hope many blog readers will read it and become educated for yourselves about what is happening covertly. The expose made an impact.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
Doom
Just did ASU in Central AL, but I’m in the same column with you on the education. I can’t recall any teacher who I thought was just a complete waste of a teaching slot. My biggest gripe with the educational system at home was that they moved teachers around quite a bit. As soon as a teacher became effective in the schools on the East side of town, they were moved to other “flagship” schools in the system.
My high school was especially screwed up that way. They put most of the new teachers in the school system at my high school while moving effective teachers to other schools. Since I was an honors student, I had 3 math teachers from 7th grade until graduation. My senior year, we had a new teacher who taught calculus. If they hadn’t moved the previous teacher, I think I would have been even better prepared for college. It wasn’t that my calculus teacher wasn’t effective, but she was a 1st year teacher and was learning her way around the classroom.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
There are also others, who are not ideologues, who want to change public education to private education for their own reasons. However, there can be no doubt that the Koch brothers, and many others who are ideologues as they are, have been trying for years to cut severely government programs. – MaryE
Mary E.,
You’re probably right. The Koch bros. and others probably are trying to change the education system. Why? Perhaps because they think it should be better. Is there anything wrong or sinister about that? Do you honestly think that if they want to change the system that its for some sinister reason? That they just want to hurt people and kids in particular? Why? For what purpose? What do they gain and in what way, shape, or fashion could they somhow enrich themselves by wanting what they think could and should be a better education system?
Check out the website on the video I gave above, and check out ALEC, which dates back to 1973 and which involves many, many more than simply the Koch brothers in this ideological agenda to make America more Libertarian. – Mary E.
MaryE,
That website you posted is just a plain loony site. Its nothing more than far left propoganda and even some of the liberals on here would recognize it as such. And what exactly is wrong with making America more Libertarian? Libertarian to me means more freedom. More freedom from government and more freedom for individuals to pursue their own happiness,more freedom from government intrusion into their lives. Is there a problem with people having more freedom?
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
The hoveround can only go so fast between the bar and the computer….
We need a clean up on monitor 3!!!
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
ZamVet
Now, there, mein Kint…doncha feel better?
K’chak
“The hoveround can only go so fast between the bar and the computer….”
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Kam
Let me adjust that hoveround for you, and you’ll be able to put that puppy on 285!!
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
**800 rubber room teachers**
Why are you focused on them? Is that your neighborhood? What’s your point and what facts do you need? If you really want to know about teachers and teaching then, go do it. Here’s a fact, out of 125 shuttle launches, we lost two. Two ways to look at it; 98.4% of all shuttle launches will be successful and 1.6% will fail…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Kam – you need a laptop and wireless there in the mtns
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm
DAVE
Loves me some sharkfin soup!
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:05 pm
You’re on a roll tonight…whatcha drinkin’ I made need some later…
Michelob Light with Bombay martini shooters.
Saw your discussion about Tanqueray, this weekend.
Make mine Bombay.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:05 pm
FORGOTTEN
I’ve not said a word about the Euro etc…I still want to know about that Jew Banker thingie..and still nothing…Why did you say that and what did you mean by it…?
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:06 pm
K’chak
Maybe I need to do the Bombay…! Love that stuff, too…me and Unmentionable “fight” over it…he’s a Bombay fan…so, I knew Friday when I came in he was being sweet and kind…it was Tank!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:07 pm
Josef _ I hope no one listens to you for career advice (pursue something you love to do).
Damn near killed me LOL.
Seriously, it was great advice even if it damn near killed me
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm
Forgotten Messiah,
Fill us in homes.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
I’ve got a laptop and an aircard here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns.
No 3-G signal though.
Faster than dial-up, but slower than I get in the Atl.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:09 pm
Mick 9
Dude 1/2 of our kids fail. That isn’t NASA failure rate
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
9:09 pm
I’m predicting within the next hour, someone’s gonna be joining RC in josef’s doghouse.
Just sayin1!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:10 pm
Damn Kam – I hope they are better than tin cans and a string for phone lines.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:10 pm
Thulsa: By your admission, most of the teachers you knew were competent and worked with their student’s interests foremost. Why, then, would these same dedicated people form associations (unions) in order to protect the few incompetent and/or lazy in their own ranks?
Where they are legal (not Georgia and probably not Alabama), unions exist to protect their member’s interests in their interactions with elected and appointed official who often have limited understanding of what actuall transpires in a classroom.
Please note that I don’t claim that unions exist to promote the interests of the students. That would be intellectually dishonest. What a union does is free the teacher to promote the interest of those students.
Are there abuses? Sure. Unions, like governments and churches are made up of failible individuals. But to suggest that unions have some kind of interest in impeding the performance of students defies common sense.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:11 pm
Mick,
I don’t know if it was your or Brocephus who said it about the fact that there are of course some bad teachers just like there are some bad cops, doctors, etc. Personally I got what I call my 5to 10 or nickel and dime rule. Its my belief that anywhere from 5 to possibly as high as 10% of the people in any chosen profession don’t need to be in that profession. Doesn’t matter what it is- teachers, cops, insurance agents, dog walkers, etc.
Usually at least 5% of the people doing that job just don’t need to be in that profession. They need to do something else. Whether it be incompetence, the temperement needed for the job, or whatever, they shouldn’t be in it. For example I could never be a teacher and a cop- don’t have the patience and temperement to put up with boolsheet- even from kids. If I were a teacher I woulda bit#h slapped some snot nosed kid- actually probably several of em. And as a cop well don’t even get me started. Just be glad I aint one.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:12 pm
half full – half empty
half pass – half fail
you must not be a half p-assed kinda guy
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
9:13 pm
The better of those dry English gins are all pretty damn tasty…
Tonic water, some limes and bingo!
No muss, no fuss, just a very fine buzz.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:13 pm
To hell with the Bombay… Tanqueray White Label all the way. Just need to put it in the same room with a bottle of Cinzano dry. No real reason to actually open the vermouth, though.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:14 pm
**Dude 1/2 of our kids fail. That isn’t NASA failure rate**
Would you let your kids fail? The schools are there, do the students access their education? Is there a home environment monitoring the grades? Yes, by all means blame the teachers and their crummy unions, how convenient and simplistic…
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:15 pm
AmVet: The elixir that built the British Empire.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:16 pm
No real reason to actually open the vermouth, though
Pretty much what Churchill said about the “perfect” martini.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:18 pm
doom
You’re really hitting the mark tonight, I wholeheartedly concur, 10% deadwood backing into a paycheck, 90% trying to make it work to the best of their ability…right on
Disgusted
August 22nd, 2011
9:19 pm
There’s a part of me that hopes I never have to need a hoveround.
And another part of me that thinks they’re pretty cool.
I’m about to find out how they are. I’m getting one for my wife (stroke victim, right side paralyzed) as soon as her doctor signs the certification. Those suckers are close to $5,000. Fortunately, my insurance will pick up 80% of it.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
9:19 pm
“Question for the board: Why do all of my comments end with a kid running after me yelling, “Shane! Come back, Shane!” ?????”
“Cause most of the rest of us just wish you’d go away?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm
Comment for The Forgotten Messiah: Maybe, just maybe, we’re just not that into you.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Forgotten – it’s a shame we all can’t be that transparent
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Thulsa@ 8:57
Your post is one reason I did not want to get into a discussion this evening because we are very much of different views on what is best for our nation. I am sure that I am not going to be able to change your mind,although I recommend that you read the full 10 pages of “The New Yorker” article on the Koch brothers to be more informed.
I want you to realize that, although I do not indulge in the derogatory comments toward you that you have toward me, I have, nevertheless, evaluated you and I have my own opinons about who you are, and what you represent, because of how you have posted on this blog over months, not simply in a given post.
For readers, I will look at any website if I am informed as to what is happening. What happened in Wisconsin regarding workers’ rights has two points-of-view. The same holds true for what is happening in South Carolina. Don’t be intimidated not to look at any website for possibilities of what is happening. he average America worker, especially, whether of the public or private sector, needs to be very aware of what is happening at this time in America’s history.
——————————————————————————–
These words of FDR, who supported government safety nets for all Americans, also reflect my thinking:
“In our personal ambitions we are individualists. . . But in our seeking for economic and political progress as a nation, we all go up or else all go down as one people.” ~ President Franklin D. Roosevelt
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Mr_B,
I understand what you’re saying. I believe that unions serve a purpose and while I think they go to excess sometimes I’m glad they are around. My uncles were east East European coal miners in western PA. Thank God they had unions to protect them, give them good pay, and the safest mine conditions in the world. And damn if they didn’t deserve it. Several including my grandpappy died from black lung. If you ever get the chance watch Billy Ray Cyrus hillbilly special on the union effort to unionize west va miners. Even the hardest core cons on here would have been in favor of the miners in that story.
But I digress. I just think that the pendulum swings back and forth between unions having too little power and too much power. In the case of the auto industry they’ve darn near broken the industry. I have uncles in that industry in Buffalo who were union members who will tell you they are to blame for the myriad problems of the auto industry.
The issue with unions that has nothing to do with the people they represent is that their power and bureaucracy is based on how many dues paying members they have. And I think in states like CA. they unions have become so powerful that they have demanded benefits that have pretty much had a good role in bankrupting the state. In several cases the pendulum I think has swung too far to the left and made unions too powerful- and destructive even to their own members detriment. JMHO from what I’ve seen of course.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm
Mr B
Vermouth? That’s sh*t’s pizen!
DAVE
Well, somebody’s gotta take Helen’s place…
Forgotten…
Jew Bankers still on your plate, eh…? Let me check with (yeah, really) Cuzzin Claus on this one…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Moser,_Baron_Moser
I mean if you really want to go there with me…
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm
Mary E.,
I’ve been especially hard towards you in the past and I apologize for that.
As you said I think we just have substatively different world views of what’s good for America and we’ll leave it at that. When I get time I will read that New Yorker article and let you know what I think. At least that’s a more impartial site than then the previous one posted. And in the meantime I hope you will open up and read some conservative or libertarian views to get a sense of how and why we differ. In any event have a good evening.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
9:27 pm
Doom
Don’t think I can take credit for the 5%-10% thing, but you put some truth to the internet with that one. I think that goes for any profession. I think you could make it as a cop. With your insight, you’d probably get into the detective work and go ape shiite crazy locking people up.
Kam
This is what you need to do to that hoveround to speed up that trip..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gseTGwppbg
When you get that beeyatch juiced up, you’ll be able to do this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vExpEl0_5-Y
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:28 pm
maybe the Forgotten Messiah is actually Lil’Barry’s “idiot messiah”
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm
Red card.
md
August 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
My 2 cents….again, unions should be between the company and the employees…..localized to best represent what is good for the employee/company.
Third party power mongering unions are detrimental to that delicate balance……….
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
Allright libs. I gotta go. Got things to do related to work and I’ve allready proferred 2 apologies. Just cause I’ve apologized to AmVet and Mary E. ya’ll libs don’t go thinking I’m getting soft here cause I’m not. And I aint drunk either. Jay will probably read this and think somethings wrong with me and ban me for drunk blogging again.Tell him I’m well. And sober. I’ll see you cats later tonight if I get a chance. So ends the Doom apology tour. I’ll be back to being a jackass before you know it. Maybe just not as much of a jackass anyway.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
Hunstman interview on CNN
I like the guy too bad he’s polling so poorly
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
Thulsa:
Welcome back. I missed your time out and I subsequently missed your return. I SHOULD have posted a song for you on Friday like I did for……….. crap, ……… BOSCH last week. Unfortunately I didn’t post ANY songs Friday. Let me get one in arrears for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
Brocephus,
I would be the worst cop in history. I don’t see how they put up with the bullsheet they deal with. I really don’t. Most of the crap they put up with is just domestic calls and other crap where people simply refuse to be reasonable. They would have a lot more time to chase murderers and rapists if they didn’t deal with so much BS from people just being stooopid. Anyway, now I’m really out.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
Thulsa: I can’t say for sure, but if I had to lay the blame for the demise of the American auto industry, I’d have to say it lay at the feet of the guys who tried to sell poor quality vehicles that were astronomically too expensive to own and operate, and that wasn’t the UAW. Prior to the oil runup of 2007, can you remember a single car ad for a Detroit-built fuel efficient vehicle? And don’t believe that the Big Three were just “meeting consumer demand.” They create demand through advertising.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
TFM – don’t sugar coat it
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
Mr b’s 9:34
Not a fact based business analysis
More opinion. Poorly informed.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
SoCo/Bro
Day-um!
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Paul:
A text taken out of context is no text.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm
jm: How so? Just observin’…. What did I miss?
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm
Kamchak; Just damn what? LOL I can’t click those links from Brosephus yet, still jamming on 30 days in the hole………..
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm
A rabbit taken out of a rabbit hole is just a magicians prop.
Just sayin’.
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm
Thulsa, thank you for your apology.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
Hoverrounds…?
George in Seinfeld! One of my favorite episodes!
Fred…
Comment ça va ce soir, Mec?
md
August 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
Auto industry? Labor was but one variable….poor quality, poor warranty, poor selection, and higher labor than the competition………..
When several companies are standing behind their products to the tune of 70-100k mile warranties, and the big 3 insist on 36k, the perception is they don’t believe in their own product……………
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm
Scout: Since Paul DID provide the context, your point is…..?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm
Fred
The Smart Diablo
http://www.benzinsider.com/2006/09/smart-diablo-vs-ferrari-drag-race.html
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm
Josef: (ever let it out I said this and we have problems):
Il va juste mon frère
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm
Gotta go gang.. school tomorrow. Ciao.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
jm
Here’s an opinionated breakdown on half the kids flunking out-
25% – parents who could care less
15% – students who don’t take responsibility
10% – incompetent teachers
The other 50% have parents who care, students who take responsibility, and teachers that teach..
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
Scout
“A text taken out of context is no text.”
So what IS the context?
The early Christian church/believers held everything as one. They sold what they’d earned and turn it over to the leadership, who distributed it according to need. There was a morality tale regarding those who attempted to call themselves believers but cheated the system.
It may not square with your economic views, but it says what it says very clearly.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
Scout
“held everything as one”
held everything in common -
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
KamchaK: I can’t click that. I’m on like me 5th time on Humble Pie lol. Damn I love this song. I had forgotten about it until Bosch got a time out, and then suddenly it popped in my head……….
Roll my tape
Ooh, ooh, ooh
Thirty days…
Anyone doin’ that one?
I’m doin’ that one
30 days in the hole
30 days in the hole
30 days in the hole
all right all right all right all right, yeah
Chicago Green, talkin’ ’bout Black Lebanese
A dirty room and a silver coke spoon
Give me my release, come on
Black napalese, it’s got you weak in your knees
Sneeze some dust that you got buzzed on
You know it’s hard to believe ………
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm
Kam
When I was on vacation in Germany last fall, we got passed by a 4-door Smart Car on the Autobahn. That damn car passed us like we were in reverse, and we were running about 90mph at the time.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm
paul
What’s your take, will perry flame out or just have enough staying power to grab the brass ring?
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
“The early Christian church/believers held everything as one.”
You can’t be certain, though, that ALL early Christian groups followed that. Read some of Paul for insight. Plus, there are documents of early Christian groups that do not appear to have been aware of the crucifixation. Christians then, Christians now…they vary in what they believed and what they followed.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
Fred, nice.
Jay is the law around here, but he’s a fair lawman.
A little more kick than the original version by the Crickets…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0sI6eFarFE
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
Mick – there is another percentage in there somewhere of parents who do care but are so overworked in todays economy that they don’t have the available hours in the day to work with their kids.
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:51 pm
OK I hit pause and watched your vid Kam. Just damn. THAT was funny.
Although I call them stupid cars. i looked into buying one about 2 years ago, and they get worse mileage than the old Geo Metro’s did……….
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:52 pm
Fred
Will wonders never cease! Thulsa and ZamVet apologizing, the Bruin admitting he would have voted for Nixon and now you speaking the Devil’s Tongue!
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:52 pm
I wish huntsman could be VP, but he can’t be romney’s VP
md
August 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm
As for the drag racing………this electric car is hard to beat….literally. Check out the torque on the “White Zombie”……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPvzaydbQHQ&feature=related
12 secs is slow…………
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
9:55 pm
This blog has turned into la la land.
Apologies.
Nixon.
Wow.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
SoCo/Bro
Them things look kinda top heavy, and would probably roll all the way to the Mediterranean if it ever turned over.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
common
Yes, that’s sad but true. However, most parents that care will rearrange their priorities if their children start to fail, they better because the expense of a lost latch key kid will haunt them the rest of their lives…
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:57 pm
Question vis a vis students…how do you define/determine “fail?”
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm
jm
Huntsman is a good man, I respect him. This just might not be his year, clinton eventually made it..
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm
I admit I voted for the Clintons and offer no apologies.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
Kam
There’s a video out there that shows those guys rolling one. They come back and roll it back upright and keep on going. I think it was like 3-4 guys tops that rolled it.
md
That’s Sick!!!! I haven’t seen that car before, but DAYUM!!!!! The vid you posted was ok, but this one shows the torque you were talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=zLjnRj2Dhwk
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
LOL Josef, everyone has a weak moment. Dare I say Every Rose has a Thorn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c56vEgA4fjU
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm
US Military Intervention in Libya Cost At Least $896 Million
ABC News’ Luis Martinez (@LMartinezABC) reports: The cost of U.S. military intervention in Libya has cost American taxpayers an estimated $896 million through July 31, the Pentagon said today.
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Well, there’s 896 stimulus funded green jobs we won’t have
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm
josef
JM originally was referencing the 50% who fail to get a high school diploma, that really is a sad statistic but what the hey, there’s an awful lot of dreamers who think they will be the next rap sensation..
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm
I hope Libya isn’t messy. But I’m guessing it will be….
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm
Mary Elizabeth must be GG’s grandma…
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:05 pm
Mick 9:58 true
It is depressing the state of public education in this country. We are failing more than half of our kids. And I’m not just talking about the ones that don’t get a high school diploma
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm
Moonbat Betty: I don’t know who GG is, but I wish Mary Elizabeth was MY daughter’s grandma. my mom is deader than a hammer and my wife’s mother and father treat her like she’s a pice of dung because they hate me more than they love their daughter, if they ever loved their daughter, my wife.
At least with ME, my child could have a grandmom who loved her……………..
So what was your point? Did I miss it?
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm
jm
It could be that half our kids are failing us by not recognizing the importance of a good education….
md
August 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm
“Question vis a vis students…how do you define/determine “fail?””
Unable to count change at the drive through window……….
Unable to figure the amount of tip on a dinner out………
Not knowing how to function without the cash register telling one what to do……
Unable to even begin writing a resume………..
Knowing that checks in the checkbook don’t equate to money in the bank………..
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm
Mick
I hope he flames out. For the good of an honest discussion of the issues between the parties.
He energizes the base and alienates independents, I think.
Doggone/GA
4th chapter of Acts. Luke’s recording events not long after the Ascension. Paul hasn’t made his first journey yet, which established churches outside where the Apostles operated. It seems clear to me, at least, it was still quite localized. It also seems they were pretty united at first and the differences of opinion did not occur until later.
Kung Pao’s waiting -
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm
“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the world of truth.”(2 Tim. 2.15)
Alas, my friends, there are numerous writings, books and videos on the subject indicating the Bible is dead set against socialism. This is just one:
“4. Believer’s Held a Socialist “Common Purse” in Acts, Right?: Doesn’t this passage prove the Apostles shared all goods and were therefore socialists?!
Consider: Acts 4:32-35 “All the believers were one in heart and mind. None claimed his possessions as his own, but shared all they had…There was none needy among them. When those owning lands or houses sold them, they brought sale money and put it at the apostles’ feet; distributed to any in need.”
Analysis: If the first Church’s generosity was private and voluntary, is this the same as by government fiat? Further, doesn’t socialism exist by only by government intervention?
Later in Acts, when Ananias sold property, yet lied about the price, to secretly horde some money, God killed him. Acts 5:3-4, Peter says, ““Ananias, how is it…you kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal?”“
This passage shows the Apostles definitively practiced private charity of free will voluntary giving, based upon personal ownership. Is this not opposite the definition of socialism? And under socialism, isn’t it true individuals can’t decide what property to donate, but government confiscates what it decides to?!”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22128
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm
While still early, some need to prepare themselves for a possible defeat. When you have Perry and Obama tied, and Bachmann trailing by only 4 points (within the margin of error)*…
Gallup: August 22, 2011
Obama in Close Race Against Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Paul
Romney has slight edge over Obama, Bachmann slightly lags
PRINCETON, NJ — President Barack Obama is closely matched against each of four possible Republican opponents when registered voters are asked whom they would support if the 2012 presidential election were held today. Mitt Romney leads Obama by two percentage points, 48% to 46%, Rick Perry and Obama are tied at 47%, and Obama edges out Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann by two and four points, respectively.
Gallup’s generic presidential ballot — measured six times this year — shows a close race between Obama and a generic “Republican presidential candidate,” although there have been survey-to-survey variations on this measure, with the Republican candidate leading in June and July.
*Survey Methods
Results are based on telephone interviews conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking survey Aug. 17-18, 2011, with a random sample of 1,026 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.
For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.
For results based on the total sample of 879 registered voters, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.
Paulo977
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 pm
josef
“just how few “liberals” you’re going to find on the front lines…come sit in the teachers’ lounge…you’ll get quite the earfull…”
It’s ironical isn’t it how pro-system are those who need help can be?
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:13 pm
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:57 pm
Question vis a vis students…how do you define/determine “fail?”
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I started to say, when they give up, but I think it’s when we give up on THEM. (Yeah, when it comes to kids I’m a bed wetting booger eating leftist, thry are just damn kids, they don’t know any better………)
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 pm
“Alas, my friends, there are numerous writings, books and videos on the subject indicating the Bible is dead set against socialism. This is just one:”
Bullsh……
Jesus said give unto Caesar what is Caesars. Jesus also said, “My Kingdom is NOT of this world.”
I would appreciate your lying ass to keep MY Jesus out of your stupid assed political arguments. You embarrass my savior and yourself doing so.
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm
TRIPOLI, Libya — The euphoria that followed the rebels’ triumphant march in Tripoli gave way to confusion and wariness on Monday, as Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi remained at large, his son Seif al-Islam made a surprise appearance at a hotel with foreign journalists, and pockets of loyalist forces stubbornly resisted rebel efforts to take control of the capital.
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Was BHO wearing a flight jacket at today’s press conference?
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm
“First of all, you should know this: no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, moved by the Holy Spirit, men spoke from God.”
P.S. That was then because He came to die on that cross. He’s coming again as King to rule this world …………… therefore, it WILL be His Kingdom in the future.
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm
Jm@ 10:05 and Mick @ 10:10:
JUST reading those two posts, a new timer on this blog would think that JM is the “librul’ and Mick is the “Wingnut.”
Keep that in mind when next you debate. In the end, we aren’t that different.
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 pm
Taps! Shalom! and Amen!
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 pm
Was BHO wearing a flight jacket at today’s press conference?
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Ok, left or right, THAT was just f’ing funny. ANyone who can’t see that is twisted lol. Nice catch Uncle Jed.
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:28 pm
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:21 pm
++++++++++++++
Well, thank you.
(I will be glad when the regime finally tumbles–both of them)
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm
fred
I always thought of myself as a liberal conservative on odd days, then a conservative liberal on the even days. Holidays, I’m just a plain old libertarian…
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm
“Paul Ryan Argues For Closing Tax Loopholes — While Opening Them For His Biggest Donors”
“Supreme Court Justice, Tea Party Wife Wage War On Obama Health Care Law” Aol.
gop politics as usual.
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:31 pm
You can’t call BHO’s term a “regime.” A regime has more purpose to it. I’m not really sure what you CAN call this…………..
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:32 pm
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:29 pm
++++++++++++++++
Damn, someone lifted the rock. Oh well, good night folks. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:33 pm
Well Mick, here’s the tune I’m currently listening to, no matter what you call your self……. It fits in NO HOW lol. I just like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_em_AihIO0&feature=related
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:33 pm
You call it victory for our President and country.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:34 pm
Apple tv is awesome. So many documentaries
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:34 pm
You can’t call BHO’s term a “regime.” A regime has more purpose to it. I’m not really sure what you CAN call this…………..
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Abject failure comes to mind. See you on the flipside.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:35 pm
Smart move jed.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:36 pm
Holy sh-t
10% of Americans can trace their ancestry back to the mayflower. With only 70 or so survivors
Wild
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:42 pm
First American export: tobacco
First guy who grew it in Jamestown made a cool $1 million in that first year
Yeah capitalism
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:44 pm
Americans don’t like or trust government
Might want t think about moving to Europe if you love government
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:46 pm
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:42 pm
First American export: tobacco
First guy who grew it in Jamestown made a cool $1 million in that first year
Yeah capitalism
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LOL JM, I was listening to this song and couldn’t figure put how to get in in the discussion. Thanks for the opening……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je8MXiwmNIk&feature=related
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
10:46 pm
Guess I missed the anouncement. You know what they say “those that can’t do, teach” Good luck indoctrinating the next layer of liberal media mush Ms Tucker.
Won’t say I’ll miss your racist pap. Guess I’ll hold my breath till your book comes out…
(ROFL)
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 pm
Fred, funny how the stones don’t roll here much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13olfeD026g
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 pm
getalife- You call it victory for our President and country.
Is that a new oxymoron?
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 pm
Fred
Good tunes. Indeed, ironic tobacco the first export
And our biggest import, slaves
But capitalism on balance is a force for good, not bad
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:54 pm
jk,
Another huge accomplishment.
Four more years.
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:56 pm
Moonbat Betty: Funny thing is that the ONLY Stones CD I have (and I never had an album) is Hot Rocks. I love them, but I never bought them. Got ton’s of WHo, Guess who, A few Beatles, ect……..
nice catch on your tune. I’m feeling it and wish I had a little “daddy’s helper” but I’m too old for that stuff now. Makes me cough too much. But I can dream about it lol……….
LOL even when the Stones covered something it was great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDnJ0vXUgw
I lost my vinyl of Hendricks doing Dylan’s like a rolling Stone. I’m gonna search youtube and see if someone posted it……….
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:56 pm
Come to think of it
This country was founded and started by lawbreakers, capitalists, thieves and rabble rousers
Just my kind of tea party folks
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
10:58 pm
Fred,
Thanks much for the 30 days in the hole- that was friggin awesom. Dadgum that was awesome- timely too since I was on Sheriff Bookman probation for a couple days. I don’t know how much time Bosch had to serve but my time in blog purgatory wasn’t bad at all. Actually got some more work done.
30 days in the hole reminds me of one of my all time fav movies- Cool hand Luke. I can eat fitty eggs.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:59 pm
“Head Of S&P To Step Down” Aol
The gop should follow his lead.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:00 pm
The first guy to fire a shot at Lexington , 60 rebels vs hundreds of Brits, had some big cahones
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
11:01 pm
Oh hell, life is complete. I never knew there was video, I only had the audio (live at Monterey). Bob Dylan is a poet, but I only know of one tune he ever did that the remake wasn’t better……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On8srcBqCuA
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:01 pm
African Americans fought at Lexington. Didn’t know that
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:01 pm
“Goldman Sachs Hires Top Defense Lawyer” Aol.
Going after BP for the oil spill too.
Justice.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:02 pm
getalife- oxymoron: a phrase in which two words of contradictory meaning are used together for special effect.
Nothing good for our president could be good for our country. What huge accomplishmewnt did I miss? Did he start another war? Nothing improves our respect around the world like starting wars and overthrowing countries. Good job O…
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
11:03 pm
“I can eat fitty eggs.”
Does someone massage your stomach while you do it lol? What an awesome movie and an awesome scene. But think about it, Cool Hand Luke died for defacing parking meters……… definitely a capitol offense……..
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:03 pm
S&p caving to the bad guys
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:04 pm
getalife- Justice.
Did I miss Eric Holder’s resignation too? Is he going to start teaching at UGA?
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:05 pm
Jm,
My brother’s ex has as her claim to fame the fact that she can trace her heritage back to the mayflower. And knowing how anal the woman was I’m pretty sure she had the requisite documentation to prove it all. Her family was proud to the point of arrogance so they had everything traced all the way back.
Regarding that stat I saw a stat from some scientists doing a gene study who stated that one in every 200 men on earth can trace their lineage directly to ghengis khan. Khan had something crazy like several hundred wives, 3,000 concubines, and the countless spoils of booty everywhere that he conquered. And THAT is a lot of booty. And with hundreds of sons who also had their fair share of wives and concubines and so on I have no doubt that the one in 200 stat is probably true.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:05 pm
Can I sue the fed for devaluing my currency?
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
11:06 pm
And here is the great Dylan tune that no one has remade. I dedicate it as always to Mary Elizabeth, because Mary Elizabeth SINGS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpRKstHl7Y0&ob=av2e
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:07 pm
Well….THE BRAVES WON.tonight..Yes they did 3 to 0. Left those Cubbies without a single point. Such a good game. Freddie and Uggla homered! Bourn ran like a rabbit! So did Constanza (sp) but he sprained his ankle. A. Gonzalex snatched up balls like he was picking dandelions. Nuthin to it!!
The BRAVES are a credit to Atlanta. GO BRAVES!!
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:07 pm
Thulsa yeah I read the g Kahn thing in an Economist article once
Mind boggling indeed
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:07 pm
Fred- You don’t mess with the man with no eyes…
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
11:09 pm
Constanza sprained an ankle? Oh dear that’s bad given how well he steals
Gotta go, cheerio
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:09 pm
Fred,
Sheesh. I forgot about the minor stuff he was in there for. Besides the obvious humor that movie had a lot of little running themes in it about the south, the penal system, crime and punishment, the spirit of a man, and the lack of spirit of those who lived vicariously through him when he yelled quit feeding off me. A lotta people didnt get that but the movie had some deeper themes.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:11 pm
Jm- Can I sue the fed for devaluing my currency?
Don’t talk bad about obama’s solution to solving the illegal immigration policy(IE: make the dollar worth a peso and they will leave on their own)
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:15 pm
Yeah, JKL2
I went to the Dollar Store and it is now the Peso Parlor. Just aint the same!
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
11:16 pm
LOL JKL2. I always thought that Bob played the guitar solo in ‘Sweetheart like You” (to me it’s one of the best mellow guitar solo’s ever done). Imagine my surprise when I saw that the hot guitar solo was played by an even more smoking hot female guitarist. Here’s my other nominee for best mellow guitar solo, who else but Jimi?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvXstzHzkXk
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:18 pm
Thulsa- obviously one of the all-time classics. I think George Kennedy never got enough credit for his role the movie.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:20 pm
Whoah! Jimmy – 11:01
sweet
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:21 pm
JKL2,
Yeah. That was the finest I’ld ever seen George Kennedy. I would agree. He doesn’t get enough credit for that film.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:25 pm
The peso parlor. Too Funny. Several months back a pundit made the comment that Obama had the double accomplishment of slowing illegal immigration and reducing unemployment. He did it by making the economy so bad the illegals left and by making the economy so hopeless that many folks gave up looking for a job and hence no longer counted against the unemployment numbers.
I think going back to Bush 2 we should be focusing more on the U6 unemployment figure than U3. It seems to be a much more accurate indicator of where we truly are regarding unemployment- particularly long term unemployment.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:29 pm
All I need is some tasty waves and a cool buzz. that’s what I’m talkin’ about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKz3D1i6biY
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:29 pm
Number of people on Food stamps up 74% since 2007.
Another victory for our president and our country.
Four more years.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:32 pm
Thulsa,
Unemployment is terrible any way you look at it. What amazes me is the number of vacant homes, homes for sale and rent Then I see these big auction ads trying to sell property. I read where foreign investors liked to buy US property. I’m thinking that is not good. Probably invest, let it sit and don’t worry about any upkeep. Maybe I’m wrong but that is what comes to mind.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:33 pm
moonbat,
If I’m not mistaken isn’t spicoli the first one to say narly/ Dont think I ever heard the word till jeff spicoli said it.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:33 pm
moonbat betty,,
Are you talking about a permanent at the beauty salon?
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:35 pm
Dusty. And unemployment is 17% I think amongst blacks. Made Obama’s approval numbers drop from 95% to 81% in a recent poll. I can’t figure out how he’s still at 81 with the black voter.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:36 pm
Yeah.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:37 pm
4 more years dudes.
it takes time to rail against the machine.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:39 pm
Thulsa,,17%!!! That’s awful!!!
Didn’t I read that even Maxine Waters is not happy with Obama?
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:39 pm
Hey?
….
Hear that, Dusty?
It was my skull (bouncing off a Van sneaker)
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:40 pm
Yeah, w’s global collapse is bad.
Perhaps they don’t want another collapse to lose their houses.
Or Medicare and SS.
Or default.
Not that complicated.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:42 pm
moonbat- it takes time to rail against the machine.
Throw the train off the tracks, all you are going to get is run over. Just admit you elected a used car salesman president and get over it. Next time try voting based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:42 pm
errr Betty ,,”bouncing off a Van sneaker????
You’ll have to explain that one to me.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:43 pm
Dusty,
Yes. Maxine criticized Obama a couple days ago. Today Maxine said the tea party can GO TO HELL! But I don’t think tea party members are interested in going to her particular district.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:44 pm
Ok, sorry.
hehehehehe
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:44 pm
JKL2,
I don’t see any need for you to insult used car salesman everywhere by comparing them to Obama.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:46 pm
getalife- Yeah, Obama’s global collapse is bad
Fixed your typo.
For someone who you say has accomplished so much, it’s amaizing how he gets credit for nothing.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:47 pm
Dusty: Couldn’t find it quickly, but something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrpl-KBTzQ&feature=related
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm
The gop will collapse the economy again, steal American jobs, steal SS and Medicare by defaulting on our debt.
You are positioned well to win in Somalia but not in this country.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:49 pm
Thulsa- I don’t see any need for you to insult used car salesman everywhere by comparing them to Obama
Sorry, I normally throw in the disclaimer with that statement. Looking forward to not voting for him for the fourth time next year.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:51 pm
jk,
Google “President Obama’s accomplishments” and read.
Competent leadership gets amazing results.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:51 pm
There’s no need for used car salesmen.
Take MARTA.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:51 pm
getalife-
It’s a shame I can’t live in your world. Nothing but rainbows and unicorns here in obamaland…
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:52 pm
Yeah, getalife, How big of a carbon foot print does your hybrid car leave??
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:53 pm
Getalife,
I gave up arguing with you long ago. Your immense powers of persuasion, your well articulated positions, your well laid out reasoned arguments. Its just too much for us cons. But I still tune in and admire the sophistication of your indisputable clarity and evidence of Obama’s success.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:54 pm
jk,
Real Americans living in the real world.
You cons are out of touch with reality.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:55 pm
doom,
I am not a issue.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:55 pm
getalife- Competent leadership gets amazing results
Your right! Too bad we’re stuck with a community organizer. Just go sit in that little chair over there in the corner. That’s were all the great leaders sit Mr President.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:56 pm
answer a question getalife.
can you answer a question?
Yes or No?
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:56 pm
moonbat,
I get around 30 mpg on the highway.
Dusty
August 22nd, 2011
11:56 pm
Thulsa,
I’ll say one thing for Maxine Waters. You know where she stands and no doubt about it.
Actually, I think Prez Obama is a pretty nice guy. Just did not have the experience or the qualifications for the White House. A good speaker but that isn’t enough. Its a tough job and he doesn’t seem tough enough. OH well. “All’s well that ends well.” We shall see .
Goodnight all. Getting late…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
11:57 pm
“I am not a issue.”
No, you’re merely insignificant in the great scheme of things.
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
11:59 pm
In what getalife? a row boat?
An ford F450 doesn’t get 30mpg.
JKL2
August 22nd, 2011
11:59 pm
Real Americans living in the real world with food stamps. Thanks Mr Presidents!
Nothing says reality like rolling with my posse…
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
11:59 pm
jk,
w was incompetent.
Facts show he was a disaster.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
11:59 pm
Getalife,
I know you’re not the issue. I was just letting you know that I enjoy your posts. More than you can possibly imagine. There is a reason why you are my favorite blogger.
getalife
August 23rd, 2011
12:03 am
dave,
doom disagrees.
JKL2
August 23rd, 2011
12:03 am
Dusty- A good speaker but that isn’t enough
I agree with everything you said except the good speaker part. He’s a good reader. When he ever has to speak on his own, he’s a total trainwreck. He couldn’t tell you what he had for dinner without a consultation.
JKL2
August 23rd, 2011
12:07 am
getalife- w was incompetent
Yes, I’ll agree that things really went downhill once the Democrats took control of congress. I just don’t see why you speak so badly of him when obama’s “greatest” accomplishments are extensions of poor Bush policies.
getalife
August 23rd, 2011
12:08 am
jk,
No personal responsibility.
Same ole tired lies.
Thulsa Doom
August 23rd, 2011
12:09 am
getalife,
Don’t worry. I get ya. And Im glad you’re around. Nothing like watching you give us cons hell. A man truly dedicated to a cause.
getalife
August 23rd, 2011
12:10 am
doom,
Your failed party voted to end my Medicare.
It’s personal.
JKL2
August 23rd, 2011
12:17 am
getalife- No personal responsibility
As opposed to obama? ROFLMFAO. You win, I can’t take anymore bed. That is some funny stuff. Do you dream about reality or is it just all lala land all the time for you? Up the voltage and party on dude…
moonbat betty
August 23rd, 2011
12:18 am
geez, getalife,
do you have a boobie trap taped to your torso?
JKL2
August 23rd, 2011
12:20 am
getalife- Your failed party voted to end my Medicare.
Didn’t you read all the wonderful things in obamacare? Maybe you should look at that and get back to us on who’s doing what to you.
Thulsa Doom
August 23rd, 2011
12:24 am
You guys take getalife wayyyy too seriously. You’re not going to change his mind about Obama- ever! Just like you couldn’t change the minds of about 900 Jim Jones followers. It is what it is with getalife. I just view his posts as humor and when you look at it in that light it gives you a different perspective on getalife. For me the man just cracks me up with the things he says. Just don’t take him so seriously and lighten up and you’ll see just how funny his posts are.
zeke
August 23rd, 2011
12:30 am
Regardless of what you liberals spout and believe, WHAT IS IN STORE FOR LIBYA, EGYPT, TUNISIA AND OTHERS I WOULD NOT WISH ON THE WORST OF MY ENEMIES!!!
getalife
August 23rd, 2011
12:56 am
They have freedom in store zeke.
Mary Elizabeth
August 23rd, 2011
12:59 am
Fred @ 11:06
Fred, I just caught your dedication of the Dylan song to me. Thank you! Peace to you and yours. Be well.
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3:04 am
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Fred
August 23rd, 2011
3:31 am
Moonbat Betty: Sorry, I was doing some business stuff so I dropped. Nice tune with the Hendrix’s stuff.
As to your poll thingie, Blacks vote in a very disproportionate margin for whatever left wing candidate is offered. I wouldn’t take too much stock in whatever poll you linked, they will vote for the demcrat regardless………..
oh yeah, I pissed SOMEONE off with the truth. Luckily it’s way late night and no one will see…………
Fred
August 23rd, 2011
3:36 am
Mary Elizabeth: Just DAMN everytime I have linked that song I’ve dedicated it to you. I could be mistaken but I think I did likewise on your blog. I knew that tune before I knew you, but now that I DO know you, it’s forever imprinted in MY mind as “your song.” It’s simple, what IS a sweetheart like you doing in a place like this?
No one needs ask a scumbag like me (or Thulsa lol), but you? What’s a sweetheart like you, doing in a place like this?
I can answer that question lol, you do quite well……………….
Gandalf the Wise
August 23rd, 2011
6:39 am
Nothing good is coming out of North Africa, or the Mideast for that matter….it’s sad.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2011
6:41 am
so, I’m scrolling through my Twitter feed and see that the Telegraph has posted this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8717425/Truck-drivers-penis-amputated-during-circumcision.html
I mean, words fail.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2011
6:43 am
oh, yeah … and then there’s this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/picturegalleries/8715942/Extreme-rock-climber-Alex-Honnold-tackles-cliff-faces-around-the-globe.html
which gave me a panic attack when I was reading the article on the train journey in this morning
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 23rd, 2011
6:46 am
Thanks USinUK that really started my morning off right NOT
USinUK
August 23rd, 2011
6:49 am
Common Sense – sorry, but if I had to see that, you ALL have to see it
Normal
August 23rd, 2011
6:54 am
Grand Tuesday to all y’all…
USinUK, your 0641…That’s why you will never see revolving doors in a nudist colony…
Today’s impersonations…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/22/political-pictures-come-to-think-of-it-this-would-make-a-good-newsweek-cover/
…and like she doesn’t know she’s showing some skin…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/22/political-pictures-michele-bachmann-arrested-candidacy/
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 23rd, 2011
6:54 am
I wonder if anyone asked his opinion of Obamacare now LOL. Since it stated he couldn’t read he might be the new poster child for the far right candidates about medical care LMAO
USinUK
August 23rd, 2011
6:55 am
Normal – I thought the biggest threat was zippers
oh, and GOOD MORNING
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 23rd, 2011
6:57 am
shameless hussy will do anything to get attention
USinUK
August 23rd, 2011
6:59 am
Common –
dammit. am I that transparent?
(and how does one get a promotion from hussy to broad?)
Normal
August 23rd, 2011
6:59 am
My cats do this too…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/22/funny-pictures-cat-stacking-jenga/
…and…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/22/funny-pictures-hang-on/
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 23rd, 2011
7:02 am
I could tell you but Jay would ban me
Jm
August 23rd, 2011
7:04 am
“Georgia works” program may be part of new Obama stimulus plan
Obama needs to ditch the payroll tax cut, stick with the infrastructure bank, but also look st wholesale corporate tax reform
Looks like he’s punting again but we’ll see
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 23rd, 2011
7:04 am
It’s off to fight the merger and acquisition wars see you later
Normal
August 23rd, 2011
7:05 am
I caught myself in my zipper once…started wearing underwear again after that…Oy.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 23rd, 2011
7:06 am
Normal I thought all good navy men used buttons LOL
josef
August 23rd, 2011
7:10 am
USinUK
“and how does one get a promotion from hussy to broad?”
Experience. It’s a union thing.
Oky, off the work…have a good one…
Normal
August 23rd, 2011
7:12 am
Common,
Try undoing buttons after drinking a lot of beer…you ain’t gonna be fast enough…
Jm
August 23rd, 2011
7:13 am
Our government is just totally screwing up the world economy
People are starving and we insist on coverting food to fuel very inefficiently just to help a few Iowa farmers and to promote environmental fantasies
What a damn mess. Time to cut the beast off
Normal
August 23rd, 2011
7:13 am
…anyway our “Liberty” uniforms had fake buttons and zelcro…
Normal
August 23rd, 2011
7:14 am
jm,
Try st. John’s Wort and decaf in the mornings…life will be better…works for me.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2011
7:17 am
off to the gym. hopefully fresh sheets by the time I get back.
(don’t make me repost the penis story, Jay)
Jm
August 23rd, 2011
7:18 am
I’d be willing to bet Libya is headed for anarchy
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
7:24 am
Libyans fleeing into Tunisia
The Scene In Tripoli: Rebels, Snipers, Chaos
Many Rebels want Sharia Law
Wow. Sounds like a great time for the Libyian people, just like you libs were saying.
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
7:32 am
jm
Yes, it will probably be anarchy, mob rule and then Sharia Law, but hey, we got rid of the guy that we think may have planned Lockerby 30 years ago. As long as we get our revenge, who cares about the Libtan people. After all, they aren’t even Democrats. little on, Americans.
Jay
August 23rd, 2011
7:32 am
Would that be akin to all the British Loyalists who fled to Canada after ending up on the losing side of the Revolutionary War, GLL?
Yes, I believe it would. Nonetheless, your concern for the well-being of the Gadhafi loyalists is touching.
Fresh sheets.
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
7:36 am
In other good news for Democrats, with a hurricane targeting coastal states, there will be a whole new slew of excuses for the failure of the eceonomy.
Four More Years!!! Four More Years!!! Four More Years!!!
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
7:43 am
Jay
Its just like that. Silly citizens. Because the good people want to stay and live in a war zone where they have no idea when the lawlessness will end.
I know the sarcasm is getting old, but what have we done and why was it so importanbt that we supported the collapse of yet another stable North African governentt. I know that it is unpopular to support nation building, but my God, we are now supporting nation destroying.
Jay
August 23rd, 2011
7:45 am
GLL, I simply find it unbelievable that you oppose the ouster of a monster such as Gadhafy, a man who sponsored numerous terrorist attacks against the West. His was not a stable government because he is not a stable man.
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
7:56 am
Jay
i would have loved to see him gone if there was an option other than mobs with automatic weapons to replace him. What is it with you guys and this “change” thing. We got change. Now our economy has been in the tiolet for years with no end in site. We got change in Egypt. Christains being slaughtered, military in charge and Israel’s only Middle Eastern Ally is now having border wars. World wide instability is not a goal that I think the US should be trying to achieve.
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
8:07 am
Jay
And for God’s sake, stop comparing these armed mob takeovers to the American Revolution. The Decklaration of independence was written by the SECOND Contenental congress. At the beginning of the revolution we had a smart and established government waiting to take control.
I have to go to work. I know that you disagree, but I think we have made a huge mistake,
Good Little Liberal
August 23rd, 2011
8:08 am
JAy
Sorry about the typos. I am having eye problems right now.
Hmmmmmmmmm
August 23rd, 2011
9:05 am
While the assistance of NATO was no doubt invaluable to the Libyan rebels — a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama and others …
Libyan rebels??? Obama supporting???
These rebels are none other than Al Qaeda, terrorists of another type…. Hmmmmm, I wonder what the excuse will be, I’m sure it will be creative…
Pathetic!
Joe Mama
August 23rd, 2011
9:12 am
Dave R — “Fixed your typo, Joe Mama. No thanks needed.”
None are forthcoming, given your polite concession at the time, Dave.
It takes a real gentleman to know when he’s been beaten and to concede as graciously as you did back in June.
But whenever you’ve completed your research into the NATO Charter, as you said you needed to do back then, I will be more than willing to continue our discussion on that topic. In case you need reminding, you were looking for a passage that conclusively states that NATO can’t act militarily unless and until a member state is attacked.
The moment you find that, do let me know, won’t you?
Joe Mama
August 23rd, 2011
9:15 am
Doom — “Good Lord, I just realized Joe Mama is still mad about a blog conversation from back in June?”
Who says I’m mad?
I simply think that, given Dave’s misstatements and false claims on military topics in the past, he’s got no ground for telling *other* posters that they have no grounds on which to post their comments on military topics.
It’s called “sauce for the goose.”
Gm
August 23rd, 2011
9:48 am
Thank you President Obama for letting other countries get involved in this, maybe had the other idiot President waited for help in Irag we would not have lost over 4500 troops.
Thanks for not listening to the retards of Mccain, Palin, Bachman, could you imagine if Palin and Mccain was runnning this country how many troop would be dead?
What so sad is we have a bunch bigots who will not give this great President for keeping America safe, instead we still glorify a President who had 3,000 Americans killed under his watch.
I say
August 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm
Let’s give him another Nobel Peace Prize for freeing the Libyans while golfing at Martha’s Vineyard.
Real American