With Gadhafi’s ouster, a world of possibilities for Libya and its people
Moammar Gadhafi, a longtime dictator and sponsor of the Lockerbie bombing and other acts of international terrorism, has finally lost his grip on power. Libyan rebels have taken the capitol city of Tripoli and are trying to capture Gadhafi, whose whereabouts are unknown. He chose to fight until the end and will now reap the consequences of that decision. Personally, I’d be surprised if he survives at the hands of those with a long, long list of grievances against him, many of a quite personal nature.
For that same reason, Bashar Assad must be shaking in his Syrian slippers. As the Guardian reports:
“The germs of Syria congratulate the rats of Libya,” read many a Tweet, referring to the terms used by each of the countries’ leaders for those fomenting unrest against the autocrats’ rule.
Others activists used the network to urge Assad to watch the news and realize he was next. The situation in Syria is less certain as the regime continues to crack down against almost exclusively unarmed protesters and without the appetite for military invention that helped push the Libyan rebels to victory.
But the impending end of Gadhafi’s rule – who came to power just a year before the Assad dynasty in Syria – has certainly bolstered morale among protesters.
It is also likely to rattle the regime in Damascus despite Assad’s assertions during a television interview last night that he is “not worried”.
While the assistance of NATO was no doubt invaluable to the Libyan rebels — a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama and others — this remains a victory by and for the Libyan people. Tens of thousands, and eventually hundreds of thousands, took up the struggle against a tyrannical government, gambling their lives by fighting to free themselves from repression, and for the moment at least they have won that gamble.
As a result, they have earned the right to determine what happens next. It’s important to note that this is not a coup in which one strongman, usually with military backing, emerges to topple his predecessor. This is also not a revolt controlled or led from outside the country’s borders, or an invasion such as that which removed Saddam Hussein. This is something different, a genuine movement, a rising up of the people. And that is cause for optimism as we turn to the obvious question of what comes next?
Nobody really knows. Through their military assistance, the United States, NATO and the United Nations have all earned credibility with the Libyan people. Additional non-military assistance will now be needed as the Libyans attempt to rebuild government and identify and elevate new leadership. Again, that must be their battle. Those outside Libya should offer help as requested and needed, but we have neither the resources nor the wisdom to impose a solution. The Libyans have to do it themselves.
Even with such assistance, it is all too plausible that this rebellion will end as most have in the Middle East, with another dictator or power elite emerging to replace Gadhafi. There are no guarantees. However, what we do know for certain is that Gadhafi, a murderous tyrant, is gone. That opens up possibilities for Libya that did not exist a year ago. And if that part of the world is ever to stabilize and join the modern world, this is how it must happen.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:49 pm
ZamVet
Nope. Sorry. No Bush fanatic myself, but he gave more to AIDS in Africa than those before or since…give the devil his dues even when you’d prefer not to…I know it’s hard for you to do, but give it a shot. I promise you, it’s a lot like the bidness mitzvah, you’ll feel better…
And he did appoint the first openly gay ambassador…means a lot to me coming from someone who set out to go for a career in the State Department but had to choose between that and lying about who I am and who Unmentionable is…
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
8:50 pm
doom
Thanks for your real world perspective. I went to catholic grade school with nuns (it was a hoot). Back in the day I could diagram a sentence three ways to hell and was a member of the good penmanship club. I went to public school in junior high and high school and had many influential teachers Florida teacher unions are relatively tame compared to the northeast, really they are not that radical and bad teachers can and do get canned, as they should. It’s not a coincidence that the lowest performing schools are in neighborhoods where the family structure has collapsed.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Oh, Jay!
Keep and eye on this “The Forgotten Messiah”, will ya?
Methinks we have a repeat lurker on the loose!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
Criminy – I go to dinner and come back to a damn lovefest
You guys need more alcohol in you, even if its Monday
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm
Actually when it comes to education…can I interject a few comments…I’ve read it on here and other places comments like…the Japanese and Indians are just smarter in math and science etc etc (please I’m not trying to offend no one, just hear me out)…to me those cultures are very good at positioning their children to be successful…whether it AP classes, tutoring or whatever…and they can help with calculus homework..(but you can farm that out). the key is learning/knowing how to set that path…and if you’ve never done it …ya don’t know…training the parents on how to point their kids in “right” direction is key…IMHO
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
8:52 pm
Mick I don’t think I know it all. As a matter of fact, I know I know very little
However, I read. And I see no purpose in debating opinions. If you want to debate facts with countervailing evidence that 800 rubber room teachers were the subject of abuse of power, well then I look forward to reading it
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm
Kamchak
“I’m a die hard liberal,…”
If Barry Goldwater were alive, the current Republican Party would say the same about him -
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:53 pm
Messiah…
Why I bother, I’ll never know..but…
What’s with the Jew Banker allusion…that’s what disturbs me enough to ask for clarification…
Tribes in Libya are not ethnic and not religious based….
And the nuns? Yep…had a lot of them in my educational background…and remember, a rabbi who must praise himself has a congregation of one…
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
You guys need more alcohol in you, even if its Monday
Well, you know us old farts.
The hoveround can only go so fast between the bar and the computer….
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
josef, two of the things I applauded him for were that and his response after 9/11.
I said his in Africa there was over-rated, not without merit.
And good call on . I had forgotten…
But President George Bush has quietly nominated six gay men for positions in his administration, including the recent appointment of another gay San Franciscan to a board that could play a key role in the war on terrorism — and the nominations have been approved with comparatively little opposition.
With just a routine one-paragraph announcement, the Bush administration nominated Arthur Collingsworth in September to a board created in 1991 to interest people in pursuing careers as linguists and in other areas related to global security.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-12-29/news/17575203_1_gay-gop-group-global-security-nomination
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
Only josef would dive into shark-infested waters . . .
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
JAY
If you’re here…is Forgotten posting from Pennsylvania like mine and K’chak’s “friend” a year or so back? Sounds to me like he’s from the same “party.”
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
Kam – you said it not I.
I hope you included josef in that
Bro is too young to include LOL
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
There’s a part of me that hopes I never have to need a hoveround.
And another part of me that thinks they’re pretty cool.
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
The expose on the Koch brothers which I mentioned in my last post was not from The Atlantic; it was instead from “The New Yorker” of August 30, 2010, and it entitled, “Covert Operations” regarding dealings of the Koch Brothers, by writer Jane Mayer.
I hope many blog readers will read it and become educated for yourselves about what is happening covertly. The expose made an impact.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
Doom
Just did ASU in Central AL, but I’m in the same column with you on the education. I can’t recall any teacher who I thought was just a complete waste of a teaching slot. My biggest gripe with the educational system at home was that they moved teachers around quite a bit. As soon as a teacher became effective in the schools on the East side of town, they were moved to other “flagship” schools in the system.
My high school was especially screwed up that way. They put most of the new teachers in the school system at my high school while moving effective teachers to other schools. Since I was an honors student, I had 3 math teachers from 7th grade until graduation. My senior year, we had a new teacher who taught calculus. If they hadn’t moved the previous teacher, I think I would have been even better prepared for college. It wasn’t that my calculus teacher wasn’t effective, but she was a 1st year teacher and was learning her way around the classroom.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
There are also others, who are not ideologues, who want to change public education to private education for their own reasons. However, there can be no doubt that the Koch brothers, and many others who are ideologues as they are, have been trying for years to cut severely government programs. – MaryE
Mary E.,
You’re probably right. The Koch bros. and others probably are trying to change the education system. Why? Perhaps because they think it should be better. Is there anything wrong or sinister about that? Do you honestly think that if they want to change the system that its for some sinister reason? That they just want to hurt people and kids in particular? Why? For what purpose? What do they gain and in what way, shape, or fashion could they somhow enrich themselves by wanting what they think could and should be a better education system?
Check out the website on the video I gave above, and check out ALEC, which dates back to 1973 and which involves many, many more than simply the Koch brothers in this ideological agenda to make America more Libertarian. – Mary E.
MaryE,
That website you posted is just a plain loony site. Its nothing more than far left propoganda and even some of the liberals on here would recognize it as such. And what exactly is wrong with making America more Libertarian? Libertarian to me means more freedom. More freedom from government and more freedom for individuals to pursue their own happiness,more freedom from government intrusion into their lives. Is there a problem with people having more freedom?
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
The hoveround can only go so fast between the bar and the computer….
We need a clean up on monitor 3!!!
josef
August 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
ZamVet
Now, there, mein Kint…doncha feel better?
K’chak
“The hoveround can only go so fast between the bar and the computer….”
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Kam
Let me adjust that hoveround for you, and you’ll be able to put that puppy on 285!!
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
**800 rubber room teachers**
Why are you focused on them? Is that your neighborhood? What’s your point and what facts do you need? If you really want to know about teachers and teaching then, go do it. Here’s a fact, out of 125 shuttle launches, we lost two. Two ways to look at it; 98.4% of all shuttle launches will be successful and 1.6% will fail…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Kam – you need a laptop and wireless there in the mtns
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm
DAVE
Loves me some sharkfin soup!
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:05 pm
You’re on a roll tonight…whatcha drinkin’ I made need some later…
Michelob Light with Bombay martini shooters.
Saw your discussion about Tanqueray, this weekend.
Make mine Bombay.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:05 pm
FORGOTTEN
I’ve not said a word about the Euro etc…I still want to know about that Jew Banker thingie..and still nothing…Why did you say that and what did you mean by it…?
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:06 pm
K’chak
Maybe I need to do the Bombay…! Love that stuff, too…me and Unmentionable “fight” over it…he’s a Bombay fan…so, I knew Friday when I came in he was being sweet and kind…it was Tank!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:07 pm
Josef _ I hope no one listens to you for career advice (pursue something you love to do).
Damn near killed me LOL.
Seriously, it was great advice even if it damn near killed me
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm
Forgotten Messiah,
Fill us in homes.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
I’ve got a laptop and an aircard here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns.
No 3-G signal though.
Faster than dial-up, but slower than I get in the Atl.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:09 pm
Mick 9
Dude 1/2 of our kids fail. That isn’t NASA failure rate
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
9:09 pm
I’m predicting within the next hour, someone’s gonna be joining RC in josef’s doghouse.
Just sayin1!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:10 pm
Damn Kam – I hope they are better than tin cans and a string for phone lines.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:10 pm
Thulsa: By your admission, most of the teachers you knew were competent and worked with their student’s interests foremost. Why, then, would these same dedicated people form associations (unions) in order to protect the few incompetent and/or lazy in their own ranks?
Where they are legal (not Georgia and probably not Alabama), unions exist to protect their member’s interests in their interactions with elected and appointed official who often have limited understanding of what actuall transpires in a classroom.
Please note that I don’t claim that unions exist to promote the interests of the students. That would be intellectually dishonest. What a union does is free the teacher to promote the interest of those students.
Are there abuses? Sure. Unions, like governments and churches are made up of failible individuals. But to suggest that unions have some kind of interest in impeding the performance of students defies common sense.
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:11 pm
Mick,
I don’t know if it was your or Brocephus who said it about the fact that there are of course some bad teachers just like there are some bad cops, doctors, etc. Personally I got what I call my 5to 10 or nickel and dime rule. Its my belief that anywhere from 5 to possibly as high as 10% of the people in any chosen profession don’t need to be in that profession. Doesn’t matter what it is- teachers, cops, insurance agents, dog walkers, etc.
Usually at least 5% of the people doing that job just don’t need to be in that profession. They need to do something else. Whether it be incompetence, the temperement needed for the job, or whatever, they shouldn’t be in it. For example I could never be a teacher and a cop- don’t have the patience and temperement to put up with boolsheet- even from kids. If I were a teacher I woulda bit#h slapped some snot nosed kid- actually probably several of em. And as a cop well don’t even get me started. Just be glad I aint one.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:12 pm
half full – half empty
half pass – half fail
you must not be a half p-assed kinda guy
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
9:13 pm
The better of those dry English gins are all pretty damn tasty…
Tonic water, some limes and bingo!
No muss, no fuss, just a very fine buzz.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:13 pm
To hell with the Bombay… Tanqueray White Label all the way. Just need to put it in the same room with a bottle of Cinzano dry. No real reason to actually open the vermouth, though.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:14 pm
**Dude 1/2 of our kids fail. That isn’t NASA failure rate**
Would you let your kids fail? The schools are there, do the students access their education? Is there a home environment monitoring the grades? Yes, by all means blame the teachers and their crummy unions, how convenient and simplistic…
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:15 pm
AmVet: The elixir that built the British Empire.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:16 pm
No real reason to actually open the vermouth, though
Pretty much what Churchill said about the “perfect” martini.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:18 pm
doom
You’re really hitting the mark tonight, I wholeheartedly concur, 10% deadwood backing into a paycheck, 90% trying to make it work to the best of their ability…right on
Disgusted
August 22nd, 2011
9:19 pm
There’s a part of me that hopes I never have to need a hoveround.
And another part of me that thinks they’re pretty cool.
I’m about to find out how they are. I’m getting one for my wife (stroke victim, right side paralyzed) as soon as her doctor signs the certification. Those suckers are close to $5,000. Fortunately, my insurance will pick up 80% of it.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
9:19 pm
“Question for the board: Why do all of my comments end with a kid running after me yelling, “Shane! Come back, Shane!” ?????”
“Cause most of the rest of us just wish you’d go away?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm
Comment for The Forgotten Messiah: Maybe, just maybe, we’re just not that into you.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Forgotten – it’s a shame we all can’t be that transparent
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Thulsa@ 8:57
Your post is one reason I did not want to get into a discussion this evening because we are very much of different views on what is best for our nation. I am sure that I am not going to be able to change your mind,although I recommend that you read the full 10 pages of “The New Yorker” article on the Koch brothers to be more informed.
I want you to realize that, although I do not indulge in the derogatory comments toward you that you have toward me, I have, nevertheless, evaluated you and I have my own opinons about who you are, and what you represent, because of how you have posted on this blog over months, not simply in a given post.
For readers, I will look at any website if I am informed as to what is happening. What happened in Wisconsin regarding workers’ rights has two points-of-view. The same holds true for what is happening in South Carolina. Don’t be intimidated not to look at any website for possibilities of what is happening. he average America worker, especially, whether of the public or private sector, needs to be very aware of what is happening at this time in America’s history.
——————————————————————————–
These words of FDR, who supported government safety nets for all Americans, also reflect my thinking:
“In our personal ambitions we are individualists. . . But in our seeking for economic and political progress as a nation, we all go up or else all go down as one people.” ~ President Franklin D. Roosevelt
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Mr_B,
I understand what you’re saying. I believe that unions serve a purpose and while I think they go to excess sometimes I’m glad they are around. My uncles were east East European coal miners in western PA. Thank God they had unions to protect them, give them good pay, and the safest mine conditions in the world. And damn if they didn’t deserve it. Several including my grandpappy died from black lung. If you ever get the chance watch Billy Ray Cyrus hillbilly special on the union effort to unionize west va miners. Even the hardest core cons on here would have been in favor of the miners in that story.
But I digress. I just think that the pendulum swings back and forth between unions having too little power and too much power. In the case of the auto industry they’ve darn near broken the industry. I have uncles in that industry in Buffalo who were union members who will tell you they are to blame for the myriad problems of the auto industry.
The issue with unions that has nothing to do with the people they represent is that their power and bureaucracy is based on how many dues paying members they have. And I think in states like CA. they unions have become so powerful that they have demanded benefits that have pretty much had a good role in bankrupting the state. In several cases the pendulum I think has swung too far to the left and made unions too powerful- and destructive even to their own members detriment. JMHO from what I’ve seen of course.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:25 pm
Mr B
Vermouth? That’s sh*t’s pizen!
DAVE
Well, somebody’s gotta take Helen’s place…
Forgotten…
Jew Bankers still on your plate, eh…? Let me check with (yeah, really) Cuzzin Claus on this one…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Moser,_Baron_Moser
I mean if you really want to go there with me…
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm
Mary E.,
I’ve been especially hard towards you in the past and I apologize for that.
As you said I think we just have substatively different world views of what’s good for America and we’ll leave it at that. When I get time I will read that New Yorker article and let you know what I think. At least that’s a more impartial site than then the previous one posted. And in the meantime I hope you will open up and read some conservative or libertarian views to get a sense of how and why we differ. In any event have a good evening.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
9:27 pm
Doom
Don’t think I can take credit for the 5%-10% thing, but you put some truth to the internet with that one. I think that goes for any profession. I think you could make it as a cop. With your insight, you’d probably get into the detective work and go ape shiite crazy locking people up.
Kam
This is what you need to do to that hoveround to speed up that trip..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gseTGwppbg
When you get that beeyatch juiced up, you’ll be able to do this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=vExpEl0_5-Y
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:28 pm
maybe the Forgotten Messiah is actually Lil’Barry’s “idiot messiah”
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm
Red card.
md
August 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
My 2 cents….again, unions should be between the company and the employees…..localized to best represent what is good for the employee/company.
Third party power mongering unions are detrimental to that delicate balance……….
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
Allright libs. I gotta go. Got things to do related to work and I’ve allready proferred 2 apologies. Just cause I’ve apologized to AmVet and Mary E. ya’ll libs don’t go thinking I’m getting soft here cause I’m not. And I aint drunk either. Jay will probably read this and think somethings wrong with me and ban me for drunk blogging again.Tell him I’m well. And sober. I’ll see you cats later tonight if I get a chance. So ends the Doom apology tour. I’ll be back to being a jackass before you know it. Maybe just not as much of a jackass anyway.
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
Hunstman interview on CNN
I like the guy too bad he’s polling so poorly
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
Thulsa:
Welcome back. I missed your time out and I subsequently missed your return. I SHOULD have posted a song for you on Friday like I did for……….. crap, ……… BOSCH last week. Unfortunately I didn’t post ANY songs Friday. Let me get one in arrears for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws
Thulsa Doom
August 22nd, 2011
9:33 pm
Brocephus,
I would be the worst cop in history. I don’t see how they put up with the bullsheet they deal with. I really don’t. Most of the crap they put up with is just domestic calls and other crap where people simply refuse to be reasonable. They would have a lot more time to chase murderers and rapists if they didn’t deal with so much BS from people just being stooopid. Anyway, now I’m really out.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:34 pm
Thulsa: I can’t say for sure, but if I had to lay the blame for the demise of the American auto industry, I’d have to say it lay at the feet of the guys who tried to sell poor quality vehicles that were astronomically too expensive to own and operate, and that wasn’t the UAW. Prior to the oil runup of 2007, can you remember a single car ad for a Detroit-built fuel efficient vehicle? And don’t believe that the Big Three were just “meeting consumer demand.” They create demand through advertising.
Schrodingers cat
August 22nd, 2011
9:35 pm
TFM – don’t sugar coat it
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:36 pm
Mr b’s 9:34
Not a fact based business analysis
More opinion. Poorly informed.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
SoCo/Bro
Day-um!
1811/0311
August 22nd, 2011
9:38 pm
Paul:
A text taken out of context is no text.
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:39 pm
jm: How so? Just observin’…. What did I miss?
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm
Kamchak; Just damn what? LOL I can’t click those links from Brosephus yet, still jamming on 30 days in the hole………..
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm
A rabbit taken out of a rabbit hole is just a magicians prop.
Just sayin’.
Mary Elizabeth
August 22nd, 2011
9:41 pm
Thulsa, thank you for your apology.
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
Hoverrounds…?
George in Seinfeld! One of my favorite episodes!
Fred…
Comment ça va ce soir, Mec?
md
August 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
Auto industry? Labor was but one variable….poor quality, poor warranty, poor selection, and higher labor than the competition………..
When several companies are standing behind their products to the tune of 70-100k mile warranties, and the big 3 insist on 36k, the perception is they don’t believe in their own product……………
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm
Scout: Since Paul DID provide the context, your point is…..?
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm
Fred
The Smart Diablo
http://www.benzinsider.com/2006/09/smart-diablo-vs-ferrari-drag-race.html
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm
Josef: (ever let it out I said this and we have problems):
Il va juste mon frère
Mr_B
August 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm
Gotta go gang.. school tomorrow. Ciao.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
jm
Here’s an opinionated breakdown on half the kids flunking out-
25% – parents who could care less
15% – students who don’t take responsibility
10% – incompetent teachers
The other 50% have parents who care, students who take responsibility, and teachers that teach..
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
Scout
“A text taken out of context is no text.”
So what IS the context?
The early Christian church/believers held everything as one. They sold what they’d earned and turn it over to the leadership, who distributed it according to need. There was a morality tale regarding those who attempted to call themselves believers but cheated the system.
It may not square with your economic views, but it says what it says very clearly.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
Scout
“held everything as one”
held everything in common -
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
KamchaK: I can’t click that. I’m on like me 5th time on Humble Pie lol. Damn I love this song. I had forgotten about it until Bosch got a time out, and then suddenly it popped in my head……….
Roll my tape
Ooh, ooh, ooh
Thirty days…
Anyone doin’ that one?
I’m doin’ that one
30 days in the hole
30 days in the hole
30 days in the hole
all right all right all right all right, yeah
Chicago Green, talkin’ ’bout Black Lebanese
A dirty room and a silver coke spoon
Give me my release, come on
Black napalese, it’s got you weak in your knees
Sneeze some dust that you got buzzed on
You know it’s hard to believe ………
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm
Kam
When I was on vacation in Germany last fall, we got passed by a 4-door Smart Car on the Autobahn. That damn car passed us like we were in reverse, and we were running about 90mph at the time.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:49 pm
paul
What’s your take, will perry flame out or just have enough staying power to grab the brass ring?
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
“The early Christian church/believers held everything as one.”
You can’t be certain, though, that ALL early Christian groups followed that. Read some of Paul for insight. Plus, there are documents of early Christian groups that do not appear to have been aware of the crucifixation. Christians then, Christians now…they vary in what they believed and what they followed.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
Fred, nice.
Jay is the law around here, but he’s a fair lawman.
A little more kick than the original version by the Crickets…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0sI6eFarFE
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 22nd, 2011
9:50 pm
Mick – there is another percentage in there somewhere of parents who do care but are so overworked in todays economy that they don’t have the available hours in the day to work with their kids.
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
9:51 pm
OK I hit pause and watched your vid Kam. Just damn. THAT was funny.
Although I call them stupid cars. i looked into buying one about 2 years ago, and they get worse mileage than the old Geo Metro’s did……….
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:52 pm
Fred
Will wonders never cease! Thulsa and ZamVet apologizing, the Bruin admitting he would have voted for Nixon and now you speaking the Devil’s Tongue!
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
9:52 pm
I wish huntsman could be VP, but he can’t be romney’s VP
md
August 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm
As for the drag racing………this electric car is hard to beat….literally. Check out the torque on the “White Zombie”……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPvzaydbQHQ&feature=related
12 secs is slow…………
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
9:55 pm
This blog has turned into la la land.
Apologies.
Nixon.
Wow.
Kamchak
August 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
SoCo/Bro
Them things look kinda top heavy, and would probably roll all the way to the Mediterranean if it ever turned over.
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
common
Yes, that’s sad but true. However, most parents that care will rearrange their priorities if their children start to fail, they better because the expense of a lost latch key kid will haunt them the rest of their lives…
josef
August 22nd, 2011
9:57 pm
Question vis a vis students…how do you define/determine “fail?”
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm
jm
Huntsman is a good man, I respect him. This just might not be his year, clinton eventually made it..
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
9:58 pm
I admit I voted for the Clintons and offer no apologies.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
Kam
There’s a video out there that shows those guys rolling one. They come back and roll it back upright and keep on going. I think it was like 3-4 guys tops that rolled it.
md
That’s Sick!!!! I haven’t seen that car before, but DAYUM!!!!! The vid you posted was ok, but this one shows the torque you were talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=zLjnRj2Dhwk
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
LOL Josef, everyone has a weak moment. Dare I say Every Rose has a Thorn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c56vEgA4fjU
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm
US Military Intervention in Libya Cost At Least $896 Million
ABC News’ Luis Martinez (@LMartinezABC) reports: The cost of U.S. military intervention in Libya has cost American taxpayers an estimated $896 million through July 31, the Pentagon said today.
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Well, there’s 896 stimulus funded green jobs we won’t have
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
10:02 pm
josef
JM originally was referencing the 50% who fail to get a high school diploma, that really is a sad statistic but what the hey, there’s an awful lot of dreamers who think they will be the next rap sensation..
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm
I hope Libya isn’t messy. But I’m guessing it will be….
moonbat betty
August 22nd, 2011
10:03 pm
Mary Elizabeth must be GG’s grandma…
Jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:05 pm
Mick 9:58 true
It is depressing the state of public education in this country. We are failing more than half of our kids. And I’m not just talking about the ones that don’t get a high school diploma
Fred
August 22nd, 2011
10:08 pm
Moonbat Betty: I don’t know who GG is, but I wish Mary Elizabeth was MY daughter’s grandma. my mom is deader than a hammer and my wife’s mother and father treat her like she’s a pice of dung because they hate me more than they love their daughter, if they ever loved their daughter, my wife.
At least with ME, my child could have a grandmom who loved her……………..
So what was your point? Did I miss it?
Mick
August 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm
jm
It could be that half our kids are failing us by not recognizing the importance of a good education….