With Gadhafi’s ouster, a world of possibilities for Libya and its people
Moammar Gadhafi, a longtime dictator and sponsor of the Lockerbie bombing and other acts of international terrorism, has finally lost his grip on power. Libyan rebels have taken the capitol city of Tripoli and are trying to capture Gadhafi, whose whereabouts are unknown. He chose to fight until the end and will now reap the consequences of that decision. Personally, I’d be surprised if he survives at the hands of those with a long, long list of grievances against him, many of a quite personal nature.
For that same reason, Bashar Assad must be shaking in his Syrian slippers. As the Guardian reports:
“The germs of Syria congratulate the rats of Libya,” read many a Tweet, referring to the terms used by each of the countries’ leaders for those fomenting unrest against the autocrats’ rule.
Others activists used the network to urge Assad to watch the news and realize he was next. The situation in Syria is less certain as the regime continues to crack down against almost exclusively unarmed protesters and without the appetite for military invention that helped push the Libyan rebels to victory.
But the impending end of Gadhafi’s rule – who came to power just a year before the Assad dynasty in Syria – has certainly bolstered morale among protesters.
It is also likely to rattle the regime in Damascus despite Assad’s assertions during a television interview last night that he is “not worried”.
While the assistance of NATO was no doubt invaluable to the Libyan rebels — a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama and others — this remains a victory by and for the Libyan people. Tens of thousands, and eventually hundreds of thousands, took up the struggle against a tyrannical government, gambling their lives by fighting to free themselves from repression, and for the moment at least they have won that gamble.
As a result, they have earned the right to determine what happens next. It’s important to note that this is not a coup in which one strongman, usually with military backing, emerges to topple his predecessor. This is also not a revolt controlled or led from outside the country’s borders, or an invasion such as that which removed Saddam Hussein. This is something different, a genuine movement, a rising up of the people. And that is cause for optimism as we turn to the obvious question of what comes next?
Nobody really knows. Through their military assistance, the United States, NATO and the United Nations have all earned credibility with the Libyan people. Additional non-military assistance will now be needed as the Libyans attempt to rebuild government and identify and elevate new leadership. Again, that must be their battle. Those outside Libya should offer help as requested and needed, but we have neither the resources nor the wisdom to impose a solution. The Libyans have to do it themselves.
Even with such assistance, it is all too plausible that this rebellion will end as most have in the Middle East, with another dictator or power elite emerging to replace Gadhafi. There are no guarantees. However, what we do know for certain is that Gadhafi, a murderous tyrant, is gone. That opens up possibilities for Libya that did not exist a year ago. And if that part of the world is ever to stabilize and join the modern world, this is how it must happen.
– Jay Bookman
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Road Scholar
August 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
Granny; But Sister Sarah stated that Paul Revere yelled” The colonists are coming! The colonists are coming!”
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:10 am
“Granny; But Sister Sarah stated that Paul Revere yelled” The colonists are coming! The colonists are coming”
Not Sister Sarah, Sister Michelle
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
Road – no, he said “they’re coming for your guns! they’re coming for your guns!”
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
USinner & Doggone
AMEN!!!
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
Doggone – no – it was St. Sarah of the Tundra when she was on her IQuitarod tour earlier this summer
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
Tommy Maddox
August 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
Bravo and good luck Libya.
Where’s Gadhafi?
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The eighth hole at the Vineyard Golf Club at Edgartown?
(maybe BHO should try night golf under no moonlight)
But it was later, at the Vineyard Golf Course in Edgartown, where the president’s recalcitrance was most evident. Approaching the eighth tee in a golf cart with friend and frequent golfing buddy Eric Whitaker, the president noticed three TV cameras and a Globe photographer across the street. Rather than stop and be photographed teeing off, the president skipped the hole.
Could the country have elected a narcissist; a victim of low self-esteem?
Afraid to have his picture taken while teeing off; what’s up with that, bad “optics”?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:14 am
Jay, your column pretty much covers the bases.
While noting that this is different than the “Iraq Invasion”, it is worth also noting that there was a rebellion against Hussein, but we let it get squashed previously instead of supporting it. We corrected our error. Tip of the hat is due Mr. Bush for helping drain the proverbial swamp and demonstrate the possibilities of democracy in the ME, no matter how flawed, nascent or messy they are.
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
They model, have a reality show, own clothes stores, and made millions on the wedding.
Bruce plays with his helicopter, flight simulator and plays golf.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
USinUK – yep, you’re right. It was Bachman who messed up the Founding Fathers, I got the two Colonial gaffes confooosed!
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
did you miss the part where I said the GOVERNMENT helped get him assigned?
Read it — did you read the part where I said it was a “single individual” doing this? The government provided contacts and not money sure, but that was still just ONE PERSON.
And “we should help” doesn’t -also – ALWAYS have to mean the government does it all. but the government DOES have to be involved.
WHY? Why does the US always have to be involved? Why? ANd I’d like a better qualifier than the one you gave below.
If only to help protect our reputation by keeping cranks out of the loop when these countries ask for help.
Reputation doesn’t put food on the table of the single mother whose UI benefits have ran out, can’t get Welfare because she owns a car, (which she’ll need if she ever find another job), or isn’t %100 destitute. What about HER reputation?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
jm: But a wag of the finger for…. oh forget it.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
Definitely a world of possibilities, and sadly most of them extremely bad.
Keep Up (from downstairs)
“Seems somewhat disingenuous that many on the right fear “mob rule” and yet trot out their gun collection and second amendment remedies as a matter of “protest” and decry orderly protest by others as “thugs” and try to “infiltrate” the peaceful crowds to make it seem like mobs and thugs………”
What does the 2nd amendment have to do with protestors? Are you seeing gun toting mobs? And the protestors in Libya aren’t exactly peaceful. The fact that they are carrying AK-47s and rocket propelled grenades sort of negates the peacefulness of the protests
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
“Tip of the hat is due Mr. Bush for helping drain the proverbial swamp and demonstrate the possibilities of democracy in the ME, no matter how flawed, nascent or messy they are.”
wow.
I mean. just. wow.
you honestly think that what’s going on in Libya is a direct result of Iraq
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:17 am
DDR: You can’t get welfare if you own a car? But I thought the government just HANDS OUT welfare to anyone who asks?
mikey
August 22nd, 2011
10:17 am
just like change has come to America, now change has likewise come to Libya
we were hoping and thinking the change promised was going to be for the better…
the only thing that has never changed is God’s word, we’d see the changes we hope for if we believe it…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
Brosephus
“How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years.”
Yet was it not Christian churches that were also major force in the abolitionist movement?
http://www.history.com/topics/abolitionist-movement
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
Debbie and Adam,
I thought you HAD to own a Cadillac or some other luxury car just to be CONSIDERED for welfare.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
UJ: Could the country have elected a narcissist; a victim of low self-esteem.
You do recognize that a narcissist is NOT a victim of low self esteem don’t you? Don’t you..? [Crickets chirping in the background]
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
“Read it — did you read the part where I said it was a “single individual” doing this?”
One person used as an EXAMPLE does not mean he was the ONLY one involved. He was part a a large number of people who assisted several of those countries. Don’t lean too heavily on the “ONE person” bit.
“WHY? Why does the US always have to be involved? Why? ANd I’d like a better qualifier than the one you gave below”
Because it’s the AMERICAN thing to do? Where would WE be if France had chosen not to “get involved”?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
Boy, the wingnuts must have their panties in a wad over this one. A victory for Obama.
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And this is a victory for Obama, how? Is he a Libyan citizen?
Maybe for SOS Clinton, etal.
The press is full of reports about how Clinton, Rice and Power pushed Obama to war. The New York Times, citing insiders, reports that Obama shifted to intervention in Libya only under pressure from the trio: “The change became possible, though, only after Mrs. Clinton joined Samantha Power, a senior aide at the National Security Council, and Susan Rice, Mr. Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations, who had been pressing the case for military action, according to senior administration officials speaking only on condition of anonymity.”
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
No US casualties and the Libyans are paying us back.
The uprising might have taken saddam out too.
There is your comparison.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
While we all celebrate yet another un-Constitutional military intervention by the United States in a foreign land, remember this prediction:
Within 2 years of the last American soldier leaving Iraq, more Iraqis will be killed per day than were killed before we invaded.
Within 1 year of leaving Afghanistan, the current government will be toppled and a Taliban / Islamic fundamentalist regime will take over, reversing every bit of “gains” we made in over 10 years.
One year from today, there will be a less-stable form of government in Libya, and oil prices will be higher due to it.
And all three countries will be on the U.S. travel ban list.
Intervention gets us nothing but U.S. deaths, civilian deaths and hatred, and unstable replacement governments. But feel free to celebrate the oncoming misery that our great and powerful nation has wrought these past 10 years!
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Bosch: And a flat screen!
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Jeebus, golfing paparazzi?
And this is what excites the Obama haters?
joe suggs
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Why do we care about these ratholes ???????
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
USinUK 10:16 – indirectly, yes.
Obama deserves plenty of credit for helping support the insurgents among all the cacophony from both sides. I won’t weight the gravity of the decisions Obama had to make versus Bush’s. Though that should be obvious.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:21 am
Jay
” This is also not a revolt controlled or led from outside the country’s borders, or an invasion such as that which removed Saddam Hussein. ”
Are you sure? I’m pretty sure that the Libyan “protestors” couldn’t have toppled a major military power with guns used to shoot desert rabbits. I’m almost sure it took military arms and ammunition to do that. Shooting a Libyan Russian built T38 tank with a .22 would not have done much good.
They got a huge amount of arms from outside powers and our own special forces played a huge part. This is no more an uprising of the people than it was in Egypt and we see what is happening in Egypt, well actually, if a person decides to look outside the US media, they will seed what is happening in Egypt.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
maybe look into a way to filter out nonsense like the 10:06 post by they pathetic, infantile, loser, whom I refuse to even acknowleded by (coawrdly) name?
Joe. Dude. It was a joke fercryinoutloud. One that I will cop to.
You don’t really think C Tucker’s inbred castoffs are quite that self-aware, do you?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
I’m bookmarking Dave’s prediction, for two reasons:
1) To compare it to the times he suggested
2) Any time he gets on someone else for making a prediction
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
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My dear, it was an either or; multiple choice; a search for some plausible explanation as to why the “leader” of the “most powerful” nation on earth would cower and run from cameras while playing a round of golf. So, if neither of my choices suit you, please offer another explanation.
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
Paul Revere just had a better P.R. staff than Prescott and Dawes…
Brad Spencer
August 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Radical Islam is hardest on non-radical Muslims. Look at all the bombings, for example. That makes the purveyors of radical Islam pretty much the enemy of everyone (and, if ever they really got power, you can be pretty sure they’d go after each other. Come to think of it, remember Sadegh Ghotbzadeh?) That does not make the radical Islamists good nor is it intended to do so.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Adam 10:16 – “wag of the finger” for making a mess of the execution of the Iraq nation building effort. While hindsight will always be 20-20, there were plenty of people who thought they were “under staffing” the occupation / recovery effort on the front end. Rummy’s blinders and agenda helped make a bigger mess of it. But it probably would have always been messy.
Jack
August 22nd, 2011
10:24 am
Bookman used Obama’s name and “vindication” in the same sentence. Hope springs eternal, I suppose, for some liberals. Bookman also waxes dreamily that “no guarantees” exist: well, doggone, making guarantees got Obama elected.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
I would like to add that this military mission is a text book variety of how we should ALWAYS approach such matters.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
Adam, you forgot:
3. Because I cyber-stalk him.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
UsUK: you honestly think that what’s going on in Libya is a direct result of Iraq
All ‘dem injuns look alike…… “Festus — Gunsmoke”
Adam: You can’t get welfare if you own a car? But I thought the government just HANDS OUT welfare to anyone who asks?
Only the women that go to the store, (wearing Gucci shoes with a cell phone, ipod AND designer duds), purchases stuff with food stamps, and then drive off in a Cadillac SUV.
Bosch: Debbie and Adam – I thought you HAD to own a Cadillac or some other luxury car just to be CONSIDERED for welfare.
But of course!
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
“you honestly think that what’s going on in Libya is a direct result of Iraq”
A lot of people on the left blame Bush for everything that goes wrong. Why not give him some credit every once in a while?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:26 am
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:20 am
Jeebus, golfing paparazzi?
And this is what excites the Obama haters?
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The word would be disappoints; not excites. Besides whacking, explain please. The wittle POTUS wunning from a few wittle cameras? Putin must be removing his shirt and flexing
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Brosephus
“How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years.”
And it was an atheist cult called the cult of reason that resulted in 600,000 people being slaughtered during the French Revolution, so what’s your point?
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
jm: Good points definitely. That one wasn’t entirely hindsight based.
Dave R: Oh please.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:28 am
Bosch 10:25 – Bosch has anointed himself the next Henry Kissinger / Colin Powell. Amazing.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:28 am
GLL: And it was an atheist cult
I could just see if you spoke the word “atheist” aloud it would be followed with a large spit.
A slightly smaller spit for the use of the word “Muslim”
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
Adam
Are you saying that it wasn’t an atheist cult that was the reason for the French Revolution?
Should I be careful about insulting the people who murdered over half a million people?
Uncle Jed
August 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
[Crickets chirping in the background]
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Did someone mention crickets. Debbie, oh Debbie.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:33 am
jm
So do you think Libya is an example of how we should NOT approach such matters?
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
jm,
Oh, so do you think the shock and awe approach — sending in large invading full scale military operations resulting in the deaths of thousands of troops and costing our country a cool trillion or so is so much better than working with allies with small units helping rebels within a country topple their regime, costing us relatively nothing in regards to money and personnel?
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
Adam
Try not to put everyone who doesn’t think like you in neat little boxes. I, like NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR and CNN call radical Islam radical Islam. Now your turn. Please point to where I said Muslim and followed the word with something derogatory.
I would say that I’ll be waiting, but you can’t because I don’t.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:35 am
Get out of my head Paul!!!!
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:36 am
Bosch
I would think that we should approach such matters LEGALLY, with the president going to Congress like the law dictates. Or we could become even more like a third world dictatorship than we already are.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:37 am
Bosch
kayaker 71
August 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
We should be encouraged for Libya’s future by observing all of those Democratic Republics in the world of Islam. I can’t seem to find any. Islam doesn’t lend itself to accept free elections and rule by the people. What makes you think that it will begin in Libya?
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
“A lot of people on the left blame Bush for everything that goes wrong. Why not give him some credit every once in a while?”
if this was 2003, you might have a point.
since it’s 2011 (and W has been gone for 3 years – as you folks on the right are so fond of pointing out), not so much.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
GLL
Why do you say the law requires the President to go to Congress when fulfilling treaty obligations?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
DDR, actually, pathologically speaking, narcissists do have self-esteem issues (fear of abandonment, fear of not being acknowledged). in fact, Narcissism is something of a response to a lack of self-esteem via ’self-esteem on steroids’). trust me, I know.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
Paul 10:33 – I didn’t say that (or no). I thought it was a good solution to the problem. I think its fantastic if we can solve problems without going through an all out war. But not all problems can be solved in this manner.
I agree with Bosch though, in the sense that I would say: the more problems we can solve in this manner, the better. But I wouldn’t have made the blanket statement he made.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
DogGone: Because it’s the AMERICAN thing to do? Where would WE be if France had chosen not to “get involved”?
A – What does that mean — “The AMERICAN thing to do”? Are you saying that we are the police of the world? That our resources, people and money should be spent not in our own country, but in someone else’s policing their populace with our lives and finances?
B – This is not the 1700’s, things have changed.
C – France’s offer of assistance wasn’t altruistic without having any preconceived plans:
Why France was Interested
France initially sent agents to observe the war, organised secret supplies, and began preparations for war against Britain in support of the rebels. France might seem an odd choice for the revolutionaries to deal with. The nation was ruled by an absolutist monarch who was not sympathetic to claims of ‘no taxation without representation’, even if the plight of the colonists and their perceived fight against a domineering empire excited idealistic Frenchmen like the Marquis de Lafayette. France was also Catholic, and the colonies were Protestant.
But French was a colonial rival of Britain, and while arguably Europe’s most prestigious nation, France had suffered humiliating defeats to the British in the Seven Years War – especially its American theatre, the French-Indian War – only years earlier.
France was looking for any way to boost its own reputation while undermining Britains, and helping the colonists to independence looked like a perfect way of doing this. The fact that some of the revolutionaries had fought France in the French- Indian war scant years earlier was expediently overlooked. In fact, the French Duc de Choiseul had outlined how France would restore their prestige from the Seven Years War as early as 1765 by believing the colonists would soon throw the British out, and then France and Spain had to unite and fight Britain for naval dominance.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
“I would think that we should approach such matters LEGALLY, with the president going to Congress like the law dictates”
Yeah, like he did.
Next.
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
GLL
BTW – Congress was fine with the President’s actions in Libya. Rep Kucinich introduced a bill to deny funding for Libyan operations (exercising Congress’s power of the purse to approve or disapprove actions of the Commander in Chief) and it was massively rejected.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
“But I wouldn’t have made the blanket statement he made”
Yeah, because jm NEVER does anything of the such.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
kayaker 71
Hey, we got rid of a man who was bad 30 years ago. If he had been tried in a US civilian court like most liberal would have wanted, he would be out by now.
Obama is over
August 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
This is great news. Gadhafi is a thug. I hope that the U.S. does not have to offer financial support as you imply. WSB reported last week that we have spent $770mm repairing mosques in Iraq and Egypt and several hundred million more installing an internet infrastructure. Trying to buy Islamic support is a futile effort. Respect is earned not granted merely because one can write a check. With the U.S. treasury curve flattening predicting a coming recession, spending programs like this need to be stopped. Intellectual capital rather than cash can be very effective in building long term relationships. Give a man a fish; he gets a meal; teach a man to fish, and he is fed for a lifetime.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
GLL: I put Muslim in there to see if you would defend both. Instead, you defended the one you knew was false and ignored the other. Am I to take that to mean you do indeed think of and speak of atheists in a derogatory manner?
Joe the Plutocrat
August 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
sfd, rule one of blg/internet humor; nuance is not in play. jokers would do well to preface with (this is a joke). we’ve all seen the real thing as far as CT-bashing and whatnot, and as I said, it’s trite and irritatating.
Doggone/GA
August 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
“Are you saying that we are the police of the world? ”
You are the one putting “police” in the dicussion, not me. I never said anything about “policing” in Libya, I said if they as for help we should be prepared to ASSIST them. “Prepared to” doesn’t mean, or even imply, that we should grant their every wish.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
UJ: My dear, it was an either or; multiple choice; a search for some plausible explanation as to why the “leader” of the “most powerful” nation on earth would cower and run from cameras while playing a round of golf. So, if neither of my choices suit you, please offer another explanation.
How about, when you making a comment like that, you add “or” in the sentence? For Instance instead of : Could the country have elected a narcissist; a victim of low self-esteem.
Try this: “Could the country have elected a narcissist;OR a victim of low self-esteem.”
That way there’s no confusion. Just a thought.
The Thin Guy
August 22nd, 2011
10:44 am
Would everyone standing in the unemployment line please stand up and cheer that Libya has replaced Dictator A with Dictator B. Colonel Sanders with his greasy chicken represented a greater threat to America than Colonel Q. Off to try to make ends meet in The Great Pelosi Recession where all of my fellow workers will undoubtedly be elated that Libya is now free unless you are a Christian, a Jew, an atheist, an agnostic, a drunk, a homosexual, a fancier of pork products, or a woman wearing less than 100 square yards of opaque linen. Years from now each of us will ask where were you when you heard about the glorious liberation of Libya. I would fire my AK47 in the air excepts my local hoosegow doesn’t have HDTV.
stands for decibels
August 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
Democratic Republics in the world of Islam. I can’t seem to find any.
Indonesia and Turkey ring a bell?
Granted, we’re only talking three hundred twenty million or so people, so I guess you could be excused for those dinky little examples slipping your mind.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
Paul
Congress was fine? Really?
So is that the new standards for Congressional action in this country? Ah, go ahead. Congress will be fine with it. LOL!!
My God, if we don’t change course in 2012, we will be a third world dictatorship before the next election.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Paul: Congress was fine with the President’s actions in Libya. Rep Kucinich introduced a bill to deny funding for Libyan operations (exercising Congress’s power of the purse to approve or disapprove actions of the Commander in Chief) and it was massively rejected.
It’s sad really. The President has to do something FIRST, THEN Congress decides whether or not they like it, in today’s world. We need to get back to a reasonable set of representatives so we can actually get something done, instead of bringing bills to the floor that are either designed to be or accidentally get voted down.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
Adam
Ahh. So lying about a fellow poster is OK. I see.
And yes, I also defended my fair stance about Muslims. Read further down the blog.
Strike two!!!
Normal
August 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
“My God, if we don’t change course in 2012, we will be a third world dictatorship before the next election.”
GLL has finally reached his “finest Moment”…geez
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
GLL: My God, if we don’t change course in 2012, we will be a third world dictatorship before the next election.
Hyperbole and a half… CLEAN ALL THE GOVERNMENT
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
GLL: You didn’t address the atheist question. Ball 1.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
Adam, you forgot: 3. Because I cyber-stalk him.
DaveR is being “CYBER STALKED”!!!???
muwwwwahahahahahahaa (evil laugh)
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Normal
Maybe you could address what I said instead of yet more adolescent personal attacks. Too much to ask?
Peadawg
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
” (and W has been gone for 3 years – as you folks on the right are so fond of pointing out)”
Yup, and just like you you folks on the left are so fond of forgetting.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Actually, Ball 2, since you did it twice.
AmVet
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
Jed, it’s not worth the time or effort to play your silly BHO bashing games.
Now if you want to discuss something of actual significance, go right ahead.
I have paid very little attention to these Arab uprisings.
But I do know the following – Bush’s botch, lie-filled invasion and occupation of choice got nearly 5,000 Americans KIA’d in Iraq. Tens of thousands more injured, many horrifically so. And somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,000,000,000,000.00 wasted.
To date, we have lost ZERO American lives and have had ZERO causalities in Libya.
As was exactly the case in the Bosnian War.(Other than two tragic training related deaths.)
It appears that the Permanent War Party can no longer even wage a military campaign without disastrous ineptitude…
Paul
August 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
jm 10:39
Thanks. That’s a lot clearer than the other statement.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
“Congress was fine with the President’s actions in Libya.”
Yeah, he’s such a weak POTUS and all, when he does something he’s supposed to and is assertive, and…..oh hell, I just get so confused when trying to keep up with the wingnuts logic.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
I am absolutely flabbergasted at the flippancy of the people who say “yeah, he was bad 30 years ago … who cares now”
do you honestly not remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
there is no statute of limitation on murder.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
JoeP: in fact, Narcissism is something of a response to a lack of self-esteem via ’self-esteem on steroids’). trust me, I know.
Too funny! Another instant classic!
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
Peadawg: Yup, and just like you you folks on the left are so fond of forgetting.
Two wrongs make a right! And let’s keep on claiming successes and denying failures because that is what we PERCEIVE the other side is doing.
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Adam
Oh. So now I am required to answer each and every question you ask. Does that also ally to you and my questions?
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Boston Herald goes for dumping Obama
http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1360452&srvc=news&position=2
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Yeah, NORMAL!!! Address the hyperbole, address it man!!
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
Pdiddy – like I said … 8 years is a loooooooooooooong delay for anyone to say that there is a direct cause/effect between Libya and Iraq
as for the economy – it was trashed when O got here. you can’t even compare the two
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
USinUK
Why now? Why overthrown one of the few remaining stable governments?
getalife
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
If they want freedom, they fight for their freedom.
The bush doctrine is history.
The Obama doctrine is working because he is a competent President.
Bosch
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
“Oh. So now I am required to answer each and every question you ask.”
Says the guy who is hounding another poster to answer his hyperbole.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
USinUK, you do realize that we forgive criminals. Look at Bill Ayers. I mean how long ago did he do those things and no one cares now. You never even hear him mentioned……. oh wait.
Granny Godzilla
August 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
Ya’ know it sounds like some of the GOP might like a guy like Gadhafi to round out their smorgasboard of Presidential candidates…..
Jay
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
“We should be encouraged for Libya’s future by observing all of those Democratic Republics in the world of Islam. I can’t seem to find any. Islam doesn’t lend itself to accept free elections and rule by the people. What makes you think that it will begin in Libya?
Turkey.
Indonesia.
Malaysia.
Maybe Iraq.
Maybe Egypt.
Maybe Tunisia.
And now maybe Libya.
Brosephus
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
Gll: And it was an atheist cult called the cult of reason that resulted in 600,000 people being slaughtered during the French Revolution, so what’s your point?
My point was that I was responding to Scout’s 9:31 post where he stated:
Yep, that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!
That radical Christianity did keep SOME people here in chains on US soil. I could care less what some athiest group did somewhere else because that was not germane to the subject being discussed. You should sometimes read the post before you knee jerk your foot into your mouth. The people at this website, http://www.kneebracesonline.com/
can probably help you out with your knee jerking issue you seem to keep having here.
Paul
I guess that’s part of making a God in man’s image. He suffers or shares the same duality of personas that we do, even to the point of being in direct conflict of our own personal beliefs and/or feelings.
DebbieDoRight
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
DogGone: You are the one putting “police” in the dicussion, not me. I never said anything about “policing” in Libya, I said if they as for help we should be prepared to ASSIST them. “Prepared to” doesn’t mean, or even imply, that we should grant their every wish.
Uh huh. You still didn’t answer my question.
A – What does that mean — “The AMERICAN thing to do”?
Good little liberal
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
Bosch
“Yeah, he’s such a weak POTUS and all, when he does something he’s supposed to and is assertive, and…..oh hell, I just get so confused when trying to keep up with the wingnuts logic.”
So a strong president breaks the law.
I see.
Adam
August 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
GLL: Oh. So now I am required to answer each and every question you ask. Does that also ally to you and my questions?
Ball 3.
Avoid the question one more time and I get to walk.
Who said anything about “required” anyway? You could answer, or not. If you don’t, I am left only with my impression based on what you previously said.
jm
August 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
Paul 10:49 – I prefer not to play armchair general. I may have an opinion, but I have no illusions that my opinion should somehow be a policy of some sort. Further, I think each situation is different and should therefore probably be handled differently.
USinUK
August 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
“Boston Herald goes for dumping Obama”
NOES!!! SAY it isn’t SO!!! the conservative Boston Hairlip doesn’t like Obama!!!
next thing, you’ll say the Moonie Times doesn’t like him, either