With Gadhafi’s ouster, a world of possibilities for Libya and its people

Moammar Gadhafi, a longtime dictator and sponsor of the Lockerbie bombing and other acts of international terrorism, has finally lost his grip on power. Libyan rebels have taken the capitol city of Tripoli and are trying to capture Gadhafi, whose whereabouts are unknown. He chose to fight until the end and will now reap the consequences of that decision. Personally, I’d be surprised if he survives at the hands of those with a long, long list of grievances against him, many of a quite personal nature.

For that same reason, Bashar Assad must be shaking in his Syrian slippers. As the Guardian reports:

“The germs of Syria congratulate the rats of Libya,” read many a Tweet, referring to the terms used by each of the countries’ leaders for those fomenting unrest against the autocrats’ rule.

Others activists used the network to urge Assad to watch the news and realize he was next. The situation in Syria is less certain as the regime continues to crack down against almost exclusively unarmed protesters and without the appetite for military invention that helped push the Libyan rebels to victory.

But the impending end of Gadhafi’s rule – who came to power just a year before the Assad dynasty in Syria – has certainly bolstered morale among protesters.

It is also likely to rattle the regime in Damascus despite Assad’s assertions during a television interview last night that he is “not worried”.

While the assistance of NATO was no doubt invaluable to the Libyan rebels — a vindication of the policy adopted by President Obama and others — this remains a victory by and for the Libyan people. Tens of thousands, and eventually hundreds of thousands, took up the struggle against a tyrannical government, gambling their lives by fighting to free themselves from repression, and for the moment at least they have won that gamble.

As a result, they have earned the right to determine what happens next. It’s important to note that this is not a coup in which one strongman, usually with military backing, emerges to topple his predecessor. This is also not a revolt controlled or led from outside the country’s borders, or an invasion such as that which removed Saddam Hussein. This is something different, a genuine movement, a rising up of the people. And that is cause for optimism as we turn to the obvious question of what comes next?

Nobody really knows. Through their military assistance, the United States, NATO and the United Nations have all earned credibility with the Libyan people. Additional non-military assistance will now be needed as the Libyans attempt to rebuild government and identify and elevate new leadership. Again, that must be their battle. Those outside Libya should offer help as requested and needed, but we have neither the resources nor the wisdom to impose a solution. The Libyans have to do it themselves.

Even with such assistance, it is all too plausible that this rebellion will end as most have in the Middle East, with another dictator or power elite emerging to replace Gadhafi. There are no guarantees. However, what we do know for certain is that Gadhafi, a murderous tyrant, is gone. That opens up possibilities for Libya that did not exist a year ago. And if that part of the world is ever to stabilize and join the modern world, this is how it must happen.

– Jay Bookman

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1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
8:55 am

“With Gadhafi’s ouster, a world of possibilities for Libya and its people”

Yes …………. and it could wind up better or worse for the people of Lybia.

Time will tell.

Normal

August 22nd, 2011
8:56 am

When The Muslim Brotherhood takes over and makes Lybia a radical State of Islam, the Cons will blame President Obama… :lol:

1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
8:56 am

Excuse me: “Libyer” as Bush would say.

1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
8:57 am

Normal:

If he did have a plan and the CIA working very hard in therre to prevent an even more radical takeover ………….. then yes, just like Carter on Iran, he will receive the blame and rightfully so.

Time will tell.

1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
8:58 am

Excuse me: “If he did NOT have a plan”

stands for decibels

August 22nd, 2011
9:02 am

lately one or two has fully paid their due
For working for the clampdown
Ha! Gitalong! Gitalong!

Paul

August 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

Now if we can just resist the temptation to push ‘our’ candidate….

I will make one prediction with a high degree of confidence: if whatever emerges is problematic for the US, we will hear how Pres Obama lost the opportunities of Libya, how his lack of leadership paved the way for radicals to take over and….. blahhhh, blahhhh, blahhhh…….

Granny Godzilla

August 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

My hopes and prayers are with the people of Libya.

If we could do it…..they can too.

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
9:05 am

“If we could do it…..they can too”

I have the same wish for them as I had for Egypt: I hope they get what they fought for.

I think the history of the region is against them, but they have defeated their political systems…maybe they can defeat history too.

1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
9:05 am

Granny:

Our founding fathers didn’t have radical Islam pounding at the door.

Midori, getalife, Kamchack, Good Fight, et al:

Please listen to Jay’s admonition last night and try to debate today instead of attacking other bloggers.

Thank you.

godless heathen

August 22nd, 2011
9:06 am

All we had to do was plant the seeds of Arab Spring in Iraq.

Granny Godzilla

August 22nd, 2011
9:08 am

Scout

No, they had the British Government pounding on the door on one side
and a native populace we would nearly exterminate on the other.

We had it sooooo much easier.

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:12 am

Looks like we changed playgrounds, so I’ll repost some from below…

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:07 am
” I know you by your blogs.”

Well, that just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. This site is a “blog”, I personally don’t have a blog, so I know that MR wouldn’t know me by it, and the only other people here I know who do, are Doggone and USinUK — a waterfall blog and food blog, so I don’t know what about those two things makes someone come to the conclusion that they hate free enterprise and capitalism.

“Whether you state you favor capitalism and free enterprise is apparent by your actions.”

What? Like taking my own money, risking it in the free market to start my own corporation and business?

Call me crazy, but I thought that was proof positive that I LIKE free enterprise and capitalism.

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:10 am
Paul,

I was going through some old photos this weekend and found one of my dad on that ride at Disney World. The look of complete and utter disgust was apparent on his face.

carlosgvv

August 22nd, 2011
9:13 am

The French Revolution, The Russian Revolution and The Cuban Revolution remind us that, sometimes, overthrowing one Government leads to another even worse one.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 22nd, 2011
9:13 am

Ummm…. why thanks Scout, I am all for it… I noticed a very select list. I am confident your keep your admonishments fair and balanced much like that, right? :roll:
________________________

I am with Paul. Let them determine their own path.

Peadawg

August 22nd, 2011
9:14 am

Congrats to the Libyan people.

Nice crystal ball, Normal, @ 8:56.

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:15 am

Now THAT’S how you build a nation. You let the PEOPLE do it, instead of trying to do it FOR them.

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:15 am

USinUK,

Do you have a link to the Stewart piece?

Paul

August 22nd, 2011
9:16 am

Bosch

I am truly sorry. I hope you were able to overcome those difficult life circumstances with a forgiving heart.

I bet he didn’t like Abba, either -

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:16 am

“Excuse me: “Libyer” as Bush would say.”

now, that’s funny.

(although, wouldn’t W think that Libya was one of the Zodiacal signs?)

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:17 am

Talking point: President Obama deserves no credit for helping the Libyan people oust a dictator. But if the state becomes a Muslim theocracy, he will get all of the blame.

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

Jay: Additional non-military assistance will now be needed as the Libyans attempt to rebuild government and identify and elevate new leadership.

NO. Our infrastructure, roads and bridges are crumbling — it’s time to help ourselves. There’s a saying about that somewhere…….

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

Bosch: thedailyshow.com? It’s the first part of the episode.

Basically, it goes like this:

Clip: “Is Warren Buffet a socialist?”

Stewart: “You REALLY don’t understand what socialist means do you?”

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

Oh of course Paul. Of course, I mean, the man did TAKE us to Disney World and all — even rode the ride with us.

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:19 am

Bosch: Actually, it’s way better than that with an added joke about George Clooney. Definitely go watch it.

Paul

August 22nd, 2011
9:19 am

Bosch

It’s been five minutes, so, here you go – Warren Buffet on why he’ had enough of Congress coddling millionaires and billionaires:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-august-18-2011-anne-hathaway

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

DDR: Don’t worry, Congress will NEVER vote to nation build in a place where our involvement began under Obama.

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

Normal – 8:56 – let’s face it, if anyone other than the Methodists take the lead in Libya, it’s going to be RADICAL EXTREMISTS ARE NOW IN CHARGE!!!

(as oposed to a tyrannical dictator who ordered the Lockerbie bombing … which, evidently, GLL has completely forgotten … or maybe he just doesn’t care)

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

“NO. Our infrastructure, roads and bridges are crumbling — it’s time to help ourselves. There’s a saying about that somewhere”

NO assistance? NONE? NO advice, NO training, NONE? How short sighted. If they ask for help, we should provide it. “Assistance” isn’t always MONEY.

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:22 am

Adam: You let the PEOPLE do it, instead of trying to do it FOR them.

Word.

Jay

August 22nd, 2011
9:22 am

Debbie, I doubt much of the assistance would have to be financial, given Libya’s oil reserves. And unlike pre-invasion Iraq, Libya’s oil industry is pretty modern. It can generate a lot of capital pretty quickly.

stands for decibels

August 22nd, 2011
9:24 am

let’s face it, if anyone other than the Methodists take the lead in Libya, it’s going to be RADICAL EXTREMISTS ARE NOW IN CHARGE!!!

dunno, maybe those evolution-toleratin’ Methodists are one of the “unholy” denominations that Scout was telling me about some weeks ago?

Bill Orvis White

August 22nd, 2011
9:24 am

Hussein Downgrade Obama has been leading from behind on Khaddafy Duck’s Libya. It’s high time for a real man like Mr. Cain or the honorable Gov. Perry to take control of the White House and show real American leadership on this mess. It’s most likely that these rebels will not be able to take control of Tripoli and what will happen will be a major caliphate that will extend from this region all the way up to Teheran. I believe this will be the start of a massive Mideast War that will unwillingly draw Secular Europe into this disaster. This is why WE THE PEOPLE who possess some shred of common sense – need to stock up on our weapons and food caches today. I’m ready with a fully stocked bunker, are you? Do not be so naive, people!
Amen,
Bill

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

dB – well, considering I dabbled in Methodism for a couple of years (and, generally, liked it – the people were nice, the service was good and they threw a heckuva spaghetti dinner), it probably is one of the unholy denominations

Mary Elizabeth

August 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

On “Mary Elizabeth Sings,” Dec. 26, 2010, post entitled, “A New World: A Budding World Consciousness,” I wrote:

“The old realities of hierarchial thinking are giving way to realities based on truths not mandated from outside of oneself, but which spring from within oneself. We are beginning to relate to others laterally, instead of vertically – as brothers and sisters, instead of as masters and servants. Long held hierarchial communication within religious, social, and political institutions is giving way to a more egalitarian form of communication.”
————————————————————-

From the words of President Barack Obama delivered in Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009:

“For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes subjugating one another to serve their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating. Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail. So whatever we think of the past, we must not be prisoners of it. Our problems must be dealt with through partnership; progress must be shared.”
—————————————————————————————-

”Toward which the conscience of the world is tending —
A wind is rising, and the rivers flow.”
Thomas Wolfe

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

Bill Orvis White: Hussein Downgrade Obama has been leading from behind on Khaddafy Duck’s Libya

AHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

Oh stop! My sides! They hurt!

Tommy Maddox

August 22nd, 2011
9:27 am

Bravo and good luck Libya.

Where’s Gadhafi?

Road Scholar

August 22nd, 2011
9:27 am

1811/0311: I just hope the Libyans’ “founding fathers” don’t have radical christianity knocking at their door!

@@

August 22nd, 2011
9:28 am

Clashes breaking out in various parts of Tripoli.

With four separate but ?equal? rebel factions (not all converging on the city) and no journalists on the ground, it’s difficult to know what’s going on in Libya. I do believe that Qaddafi’s done.

What remains is the question for a later date.

Paul

August 22nd, 2011
9:29 am

back on topic, I was pretty surprised by how quickly Gadhafi’s forces crumbled and the roll-up occurred. Seems like one night I was listening to Pete and RePete mocking SecDef Panetta’s “his days are numbered” remark, then a large military facility falls, then, bam, Tripoli’s done.

Haven’t heard more mocking this morning. I guess this is where the opposition shifts to something else.

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:29 am

DogGone:NO assistance? NONE? NO advice, NO training, NONE? How short sighted. If they ask for help, we should provide it.

Short sighted? Maybe — but I’d rather call taking care of your own. when flying the emergency instructions always say that if the oxygen masks should drop down parents should put the mask on themselves FIRST then aid their children. Why? Because if the parent passes out because he/she didn’t so this, then there is a probability that BOTH the parent and the child are lost.

We have seniors living in poverty, people on Food Stamps barely surviving, republicans trying to oust people on long term unemployment insurance. etc — we need to put the oxygen mask over our face first, THEN we can help someone else.

“Assistance” isn’t always MONEY

Name how we can provide “asistance” without any money being paid out by us. Even if we send Army Engineers overseas to their country to help them rebuild, it’s STILL gonna cost us.

1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
9:30 am

Granny:

Yes, we did have it easier because with weren’t eat up with “internal terrorism” as Islam is.

Let me put it this way and then I must leave for the morning.

We backed this “revolution” but if we do not have a solid PLAN to give them a chance a true freedom as opposed to a radical Islamic state then that is criminal.

Some like you will argue that that it’s up to them to decide. NOT. Because the “them” doesn’t have a chance against the terrorists.

Even under the Bush administration we let Iraq walk away with a new Constitution that has the phrase, “nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam”. Again, some will say that was their right to put that in there. NOT. Not when American blood was spilled for the cost of their “freedom”. We didn’t let the Japanese put any “Bushido nonsense” in their constitution after WW II (Two U.S. Army Captains drafted it) and we shouldn’t have allowed that in Iraq’s. It begs for a future Islamic state.

Just my opinion.

Again, have to run. Be nice to each other as Jay as requested.

Mighty Righty

August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am

Cross your fingers. I hope this regime change in Libya is for the best. Do we know who will be in charge? I hope so.

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am

Jay: Debbie, I doubt much of the assistance would have to be financial, given Libya’s oil reserves. And unlike pre-invasion Iraq, Libya’s oil industry is pretty modern. It can generate a lot of capital pretty quickly.

Uh huh — pardon me, but I’ve heard that tune before. No matter who’s singing it, it’s the same dang tune.

1811/0311

August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am

One more quick one:

Road Scholar :

Yep, that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!

Bye !

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:31 am

Scout: but if we do not have a solid PLAN to give them a chance a true freedom

And just why should the U.S., or anyone who doesn’t actually LIVE THERE, have a PLAN at all for a country that isn’t theirs?

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
9:32 am

“Name how we can provide “asistance” without any money being paid out by us”

When the Balkan countries pushed out the Soviets a cousin of mine went to one of them on his own time but the government assisted in getting him assigned. He helped them set up their court systems.

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:33 am

“that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!”

welp, speaking as a woman … if the shoe fits …

Normal

August 22nd, 2011
9:34 am

Scout,
What sort of plan would you have President Obama impliment?

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:34 am

To the PLAN people (who seem to think just having a plan, even if it is a bad one, is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD unless it’s a Democrat plan):

Guy 1: “So that’s the plan”
Guy 2: “That’s the plan?”
Guy 1: “That’s the plan!”
Guy 2: “That plan SUCKS!”

Peadawg

August 22nd, 2011
9:35 am

“NO assistance? NONE? NO advice, NO training, NONE? How short sighted. If they ask for help, we should provide it.”

No, we shouldn’t. It’s not out job to police the world anymore. I’m with Debbie on this one.

Midori

August 22nd, 2011
9:35 am

Ummm…. why thanks Scout, I am all for it… I noticed a very select list. I am confident your keep your admonishments fair and balanced much like that, right?

as Meat Loaf sang, “you took the words right outta my mouth — it must have been while you were kissing me”

:)

Doggone – my wallpaper on my computer is of a Egyptian protester who brought his cat to the protests with him. around the cat’s neck is a sign that says “No Mubarak” :)

I love that picture :)

Jay

August 22nd, 2011
9:35 am

I’m not sure that Scout fellow fully grasps the notions of self-determination and self-government.

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:36 am

Midori: Is the cat adorable? Could it be captioned on lolcats?

Normal

August 22nd, 2011
9:36 am

USinUK,
Be gentle with GLL…he was born that way… :D

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:37 am

Scout: Some like you will argue that that it’s up to them to decide. NOT. Because the “them” doesn’t have a chance against the terrorists.

Oh Scout — your comment made me remember something…….

•”No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”

- George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 5

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:37 am

Jay – welp, if by “self” you mean “I need to approve it,” then, yeah, he TOTALLY gets it

Jimmy62

August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am

They’ll most likely end up with some form of Muslim-theologically run government, which will eventually oppress their people even worse leading to a revolt against the oppressive system in general, rather than a particular leader. But a lot of people will die first, and the US and UN will waste a lot of money trying to avoid the inevitable.

Granny Godzilla

August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am

Scout

We had so much it easier….yep I clearly recall Paul Revere tweeting
“the British are coming”

Scout, are you related to Eeyore?

You musn’t let your islamophobia ruin your life.

Normal

August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am

DDR @ 0937,

Right On!

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:38 am

Normal – 9:36 – he reminds me of the people who said that their parents “taught them to swim by throwing them off a boat” – it always made me think “aw bless … they weren’t trying to teach you how to swim as they rowed away”

Joe the Plutocrat

August 22nd, 2011
9:39 am

this is the “underwear bomber” or the OBL take down all over, and frankly; this ’spin as you see fit’ tripe is making me sick. you know, it just occurred to me that all the geopolitical analysis and talk of vaccums and Muslim Brotherhoods and “Arab Springs” is akin the the current “flash mob” obsession. listen people; you have no skin in this game. sure, the price of oil may drop and gasoline might sink to $3.25/gallon, but compare what you will save at the pump with what you’ve lost in the market, or in your home, or even what you are now paying for a loaf of bread, gallon of milk or 5lbs bag of apples. all this rejoicing (or in Scout’s case; fear and ganshing of teeth) is just media hype. the people of Libya will just fall under the yolk of a different “leader” – even if the new “leader” is a plutocracy or oligarchy presented as another fledgling “democracy in the Middle East”. in fact, I would ask all of you to consider the “progress” or condition of the patriarch of democracies in the Western hemisphere; and further consider how the average Joe is doing these days. oh well; who is Ron Paul/Gary Johnson.

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:40 am

Tell you what, let’s make all of our plans and legislation require 100% of the vote, with every single person voting on everything. If one person dissents, it doesn’t pass. And if someone doesn’t vote, they are killed.

Another option, perhaps more reasonable, would be to elect a dictator to the office of POTUS, and he would use his mumbo jumbo to force everyone in Congress, regardless of party, to do anything he wants because that’s what a LEADER does.

Midori

August 22nd, 2011
9:41 am

Adam – I’ll try to find the pic and post it.

and it is adorable – to me anyway :)

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:41 am

Paul

August 22nd, 2011
9:42 am

“I’m not sure that Scout fellow fully grasps the notions of self-determination and self-government.”

I like the idea Washington should leave states alone but should run other countries.

Paul

August 22nd, 2011
9:44 am

USinUK

your 9:38…. gonna steal it and use it and use it -

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:45 am

OMG, those clips are sad, funny, and just plain pathetic.

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:46 am

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
9:46 am

“Normal – 9:36 – he reminds me of the people who said that their parents “taught them to swim by throwing them off a boat”

I don’t know about the swimming bit, but that is LITERALLY how the Army taught my Father to drive heavy trucks. They took a bunch of recruits to a field where their trucks were parked in a circle. Gave them the keys and said “See you back at that base”

mm

August 22nd, 2011
9:46 am

Boy, the wingnuts must have their panties in a wad over this one. A victory for Obama.

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:47 am

Bosch – 9:45 – Jon Stewart clips?

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:47 am

And Neal Boortz is on FOX now?

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:47 am

USinUK,

The clips they showed in those videos, yeah, but as always Stewart calls out their stoopid.

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
9:49 am

Bosch – but the Clooney thing … definitely a “cleanup on aisle 9″ moment

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:51 am

DogGone: When the Balkan countries pushed out the Soviets a cousin of mine went to one of them on his own time but the government assisted in getting him assigned. He helped them set up their court systems.

That was ONE person — not the US Government. If you’re talking that individuals and/or corporations should help (although with the corp. I’m sure they’ll raise the prices of their products and have the consumers pay for their altruism), that’s one thing; but I do not think the US Government should spend ONE DIME to help Libya rebuild their country.

As Jay pointed out, Libya has their own money.

AmVet

August 22nd, 2011
9:51 am

Mission accomplished…

The one kind of turmoil Iraq has seen little of is the pro-democracy movement that sprang to life in early 2011 across the region, the so-called Arab spring. In February, demonstrators turned out, not seeking to topple their leaders but demanding better government services after years of war and deprivation. But security forces responded with a heavy hand.

In a country where the demographics skew even younger than in places like Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, the wave of political change in the region has laid bare a generation gap split by old resentments nurtured by dictatorship and war and a youthful grasping for a stake in the new Iraq. But the forces of youth are blunted by the same forces that have robbed Iraqi society of so much for so long — violence, a stagnant economy, zero-sum politics and sectarianism — and that have prevented a new political class from emerging to take Iraq into a new democratic future.

The Insurgency Goes On

There is still plenty of conflict in Iraq. Many Sunnis, a minority that once held the reins of power under Saddam Hussein, consider the unity government a fig leaf for increasingly centralized control by the Shiite majority. Violence is still endemic in the northern cities of Kirkuk and Mosul, where Kurds, Arabs and other groups jockey for control.

The insurgency continues to flare up in brutal violence.

On Aug. 15, 2011, all across Iraq, a chilling series of 42 apparently coordinated attacks resulted in 89 deaths and about 315 people wounded. The strikes against civilians and security forces made it the deadliest day of the year for Iraqis, and it came in many forms: suicide attacks, car bombs, homemade bombs and gunmen.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iraq/index.html

Joe the Plutocrat

August 22nd, 2011
9:53 am

USinUK; (spit) – that was me spitting the gun oil out of my mouth, as watching that clip made me run upstairs, grab the .38 from my night stand and place the barrel in my mouth. where do I begin? 1 – forget about firing Jim Tressel, the entire university should be shut down, razed, and like ancient Carthage; salt should be plowed into the soil so nothing grows there for the next 500 years. but kudos to you for finding the clip, as this is a painful and disturbing example of the obsession with media and the narcissism that infects many Americans (especially, those who are sometimes referred to as “out future”). to be honest, I have more respect for the more criminal “flash mobs” as at least they’re “getting some” as opposed to preening. you know, 40 years ago college kids organized mobs to demand an end to wars of imperialism. protesters were shot and killed at Kent State and Jackson State; and I remember an old H.S. football coach who used to talk about the smell of tear gas wafting over the practice field at (another Big 10) campus in the late 60’s. but hey, another one of the Kardasian sluts got married and those with cable can “keep up” with her whacky life. we really need to reinstutue the draft. seems to me we need to bring home all the dudes and chicks who work(ed) at Lowes and WalMart and MacDonald’s and send these bored to tears college students off to war.

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:53 am

USinUK,

Oh yes, definitely. Just more proof that many “righties” don’t know what they are talking about — arguments based on talking points that don’t even make sense.

Kind of like earlier….

……”I know how you are from your blogs.” I mean, WTF?

@@

August 22nd, 2011
9:53 am

Oops! Forgot to respond to this:

Others activists used the network to urge Assad to watch the news and realize he was next. The situation in Syria is less certain as the regime continues to crack down against almost exclusively unarmed protesters and without the appetite for military invention that helped push the Libyan rebels to victory.

Let the Saudis deal with Syria. It’s in their interest to do so.

Midori

August 22nd, 2011
9:54 am

@@

August 22nd, 2011
9:55 am

The gossip fest continues so I’m out!

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:55 am

Midori!

Democracy Kitteh!!! Love it. :)

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
9:56 am

Another option, perhaps more reasonable, would be to elect a dictator to the office of POTUS, and he would use his mumbo jumbo to force everyone in Congress, regardless of party, to do anything he wants because that’s what a LEADER does.

:lol:

stands for decibels

August 22nd, 2011
9:58 am

On Aug. 15, 2011, all across Iraq, a chilling series of 42 apparently coordinated attacks resulted in 89 deaths and about 315 people wounded. The strikes against civilians and security forces made it the deadliest day of the year for Iraqis, and it came in many forms: suicide attacks, car bombs, homemade bombs and gunmen.

I sure am glad our corporate media continues to spotlight the ongoing agony in this particular part of the planet, aren’t you? Remember how those events of August 15 prompted reporters to ask all of the aspiring Presidential candidates what lessons they’d learned from our invasion and occupation of Iraq?

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:58 am

Doggone: They took a bunch of recruits to a field where their trucks were parked in a circle. Gave them the keys and said “See you back at that base”

Sounds like how they train most low-wage employees these days.

getalife

August 22nd, 2011
9:58 am

No @@ but the Saudis will help on Syria.

Any violence from Syria today?

I doubt assad will stop .

Adam

August 22nd, 2011
9:59 am

Midori: Love it!

Bosch

August 22nd, 2011
9:59 am

Joe the Plutocrat,

I’ve never understood who the Kardashians are — what do they do actually?

DebbieDoRight

August 22nd, 2011
10:02 am

I’ve never understood who the Kardashians are — what do they do actually?

From what I can tell, absolutely nothing. Oh but they do marry well.

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
10:03 am

“That was ONE person — not the US Government”

did you miss the part where I said the GOVERNMENT helped get him assigned? And “we should help” doesn’t -also – ALWAYS have to mean the government does it all. but the government DOES have to be involved. If only to help protect our reputation by keeping cranks out of the loop when these countries ask for help.

Brosephus

August 22nd, 2011
10:03 am

Yep, that radical Christianity has kept us in chains for over two hundreds years. Oh, the horror!

How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years. The effects of that still linger today. :roll:

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
10:03 am

Bosch – 9:53 – it’s the new take on Christ’s quote, “by their blogs, you will recognize them”

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
10:05 am

joe – 9:53 – glad I could help (it wasn’t the clip I was looking for originally … but it was so incredibly bad, I had to post it)

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
10:05 am

“I’ve never understood who the Kardashians are — what do they do actually?”

I saw them described (can’t remember where) as being “famous for being famous”

I don’t have a clue who they are either.

Joe the Plutocrat

August 22nd, 2011
10:06 am

Bosch, remember a guy named OJ Simpson? well, on the night he alledgedly decapitated his ex-wife and her boyfriend; he contacted a fella by the name of Robert Kardashian. Kardashian was a USC grad, booster and overall jock sniff, who became one of OJ’s many lawyer/advisors/agent/manager. it was alledged that OJ gave RK a suitcase which contained bloody clothing and perhaps a knife. well, we know how the story ends, but it is worth noting that Kardashian got cancer and died a few years later (”thank you God!”), but not before he father three or four daughters all of whom seem to have inherited his “jock sniff” gene. the rest, as they say is (television) history. oh, did I mention his ex-wife married 1976 Olympic Decathalon gold medal winner, Bruce Jenner? forget about accomplishing goals, being a producer, not a moocher, in American in 2011 you don’t have to be successful, you simply have to f**k a successful person and you get your own TV show!

C Tucker Blog-Comments-Page Refugee

August 22nd, 2011
10:06 am

The effects of that still linger today

RACIST.

U R PLAIN DUH RACE CARD

U RACIST!!!!1!!111!

USinUK

August 22nd, 2011
10:07 am

SoCoBro – 10:03 – speaking as a gender who was told for hundreds of years that we should submit to our husbands (regardless of if they beat us, cheated on us, gambled away our money) – I’m right there with ya, my friend!

Doggone/GA

August 22nd, 2011
10:07 am

“How quickly one forgets that Christianity WAS used to keep SOME of us in chains for hundreds of years. The effects of that still linger today”

And some forms of “Christianity” STILL try to keep some of us “in chains” – figuratively.