Via Jim Galloway, a poll of Georgia Republicans by Channel Two Action News and InsiderAdvantage:
Rick Perry: 24 percent;
Herman Cain: 15 percent;
Newt Gingrich: 9 percent;
Michele Bachmann: 8 percent;
Mitt Romney: 6 percent;
Ron Paul: 5 percent;
Jon Huntsman: 1 percent;
Undecided, 20 percent.
It’s no surprise that Perry’s doing well in Georgia, but the size of his lead is a little startling so soon after his entry into the race. The fact that Romney, the longtime frontrunner who has been in the race for months, draws just 6 percent here in the Peach State is a stark reminder of his problems with the party’s conservative base.
In a similar poll taken in Florida earlier this month, before Perry’s official entry, Romney pulled 25 percent, with Perry drawing support from 16 percent and Bachmann getting 10 percent. I doubt those numbers would be duplicated today, with Perry now an official candidate.
The most recent numbers out of South Carolina, another important primary state, date back to mid-July, when Perry was just beginning to make noises about a serious run. Romney drew 25 percent, with Sarah Palin at 16 percent, Bachmann at 15 percent and Cain at 13 percent. But again, Perry’s entry into the race has no doubt altered that landscape.
That’s certainly what has happened nationally. Here’s Rasmussen from earlier this week:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary voters, taken Monday night, finds Perry with 29% support. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who ran unsuccessfully for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, earns 18% of the vote, while Bachmann, the Minnesota congresswoman who won the high-profile Ames Straw Poll in Iowa on Saturday, picks up 13%.
Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who was a close second to Bachmann on Saturday, has the support of nine percent (9%) of Likely Primary Voters, followed by Georgia businessman Herman Cain at six percent (6%) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with five percent (5%). Rick Santorum, former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, and ex-Utah Governor Jon Huntsman each get one percent (1%) support, while Michigan Congressman Thaddeus McCotter comes in statistically at zero.
At this point, Perry is probably the frontrunner in the race, with the important proviso that like Bachmann, he has the potential to self-destruct at any moment.
– Jay Bookman
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JohnnyReb
August 20th, 2011
9:09 am
Jay, Perry has been in politics a very long time. Why do you think he will self destruct? I agree there is a possibility he could self destruct in the eyes of Progressives, but they won’t vote for him regardless. What’s self destruction to the Left is music to the Right.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
9:10 am
“It’s no supprise Perry’s doing well in Georgia”
An understatement if there was ever one. We usually rank near or at the bottom in things that matter so, Georgia favoring a George W. Bush clone is exactly what you would expect. Don’t be supprised if Georgia has Perry as the favorite with Bachmann running a close second. The movie, Dumb and Dumber, most definitely comes to mind.
FrankLeeDarling
August 20th, 2011
9:14 am
Are you kidding me? we cannot go back to this lowbrow type of politics.
Tell Texas to keep their hillbilly rulers
retired early
August 20th, 2011
9:26 am
All it takes to get their vote is an “R” next to their name. The devil himself would get the GOP vote over Obama, and that’s the cold hard truth…remember…Nathan Deal.
JohnnyReb
August 20th, 2011
9:28 am
Progressives are like a wacky girlfriend; she’s fun to visit but you could not live with her. You are supreme optimists, no doubt. What else explains your continuing hope the community organizer will be able to again fool the people?
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
9:30 am
good g*d…Who does this fool sound like?
Oh, please not deja vu all over again!
http://vodpod.com/search/browse?q=rick+perry+abstinence
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
9:33 am
Let’s hope that they don’t self-destruct like Obama,
southdem
August 20th, 2011
9:34 am
Perry is a rube. He’ll get solid Southern support in the primaries but very little anywhere else. That may be enough to get him the GOP nomination but the general election campaign will be a disaster for him. He’ll be such a doofus that it will depress the GOP turnout. I predict Election night’s final map will show a sea of blue from New England through the Midwest and most of the West. There will be a few red spots here and there: Alabama, Mississippi, Utah, Idaho, Alaska, but Texas won’t go for him and neither will the upper South and the more urban lower Southern states like Georgia (though there’ll be some late calls here and there).
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
9:40 am
We are at a time in our country that as always, people will vote their pocket book, and you can’t blame them.
We have the worst bunch of people ever, running our country and that goes for both sides.
It’s just to bad that Jay is so one sided with his agenda because he doesn’st help his party be only showing one party as being bad.
We have a lot of people who will only vote for color or religion and that’s just as bad also.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
9:41 am
” he has the potential to self-destruct at any moment. ”
Potential is always there; Obama is confirmed.
(We can dismiss the poll because we have been told that Rasmussen is unreliable, right Jay?)
retired early
August 20th, 2011
9:45 am
What baffles me is the attraction the GOP has with candidates who celebrate ignorance while denouncing science…applaud less educated, over the “best educated”.
It’s like, if they take it to the next level…their “perfect candidate” would be a 6th grade dropout…provided that he regularly talks with “God” of course.
Aquagirl
August 20th, 2011
9:47 am
Of course Perry grabbed the front-runner spot. There’s been no serious candidate available, except for Romney and he has an actual working brain and moments of sanity. The nutters have been squirming like slugs with a good dose of salt on them, thinking they’d have to settle for a guy who doesn’t pay homage to their crazy.
Mary Elizabeth
August 20th, 2011
9:50 am
Yesterday, I saw the movie, “The Help.” I recommend it strongly for any Southerner to take a trip back in time to the days just after Jim Crow in the South. I especially recommend it for any transplanted person to the South who could not possibly understand the dynamics that make the South the South and make Southern politics change so little in sixty years.
Yes, the heavy-handed racism that is in that movie is not overtly manifested today, but I see the same social and psychological ills that created racism, in the first place, still intact and well in the South, and in other parts of the nation. And this is not a discussion of racism, it is a discussion of continuing acceptance of small-minded values that will exclude some (such as the homosexual community or immigrants of a certain standing), and the lack of sensitivity to human need. That is a condition not exclusive to the South, but “The Help” brought back very vividly how people will live a surface reality because that is what most of their peers will do and group thinking prevails. See the movie to understand.
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About Rick Perry and the U.S. Constitution:
Seven ways Rick Perry wants to change the Constitution | The Ticket – Yahoo! News
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html
Midori
August 20th, 2011
9:50 am
some of the conservative reactions sounds like, “yeah, but your momma is fat, so there!!”
Midori
August 20th, 2011
9:52 am
Mary Elizabeth – I’ve heard good things about that movie. Can’t wait to see it
Midori
August 20th, 2011
9:53 am
Steve — I suppose you have the potential to make a valid point
JohnnyReb
August 20th, 2011
10:03 am
It’s not surprising that Statists have big issues with Perry. It’s wrong thinking by Progressives to belive that just because the North won the war Southerners abandoned their Federalist core. It’s not about race.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:04 am
cons want another w collapse.
We know they want to default on our debt like palin quitters so their choice is logical.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:05 am
“Steve — I suppose you have the potential to make a valid point”
And I suppose that is where we differ. The margin of error in the poll will have some happily declaring their candidate is in better shape, but note the sample size. It is very small.
“The details: 425 likely GOP presidential primary voters, conducted by automated telephone interviews on Thursday, margin of error plus or minus 5 percent.”
- By Jim Galloway, Political Insider
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:06 am
Perry “has the potential to self-destruct at any moment” as opposed to our present sitting President who has the reality of self destruction.
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:06 am
At this point, Perry is probably the frontrunner in the race, with the important proviso that like Bachmann, he has the potential to self-destruct at any moment.
That’s an odd sentence unless it’s supposed to be saying Bachmann has already self-destructed. Was winning the Ames straw poll evidence of self-destruction? Perhaps running fourth in the latest Georgia poll, trailing the flavor of the day and two favorite sons, in addition to leading the guy that finished third last time around is that evidence.
Of course it could just be a typical cheap shot at a female candidate and the name “Bachmann” could have been replaced with any other.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:09 am
I think it’s funny how people bash Perry due to his accent. Talk about bigoted.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:10 am
Another point: The undecided percentage at 20, combined with the margin of error percentage, renders this data effectually useless at this point, other than as the basis for bar talk.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
10:11 am
it’s “bigoted” to observe someone comes off as an uneducated moron?
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:12 am
Yep – a judgment call on your part.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:12 am
Can another w get the Independent vote?
Nope.
carlosgvv
August 20th, 2011
10:14 am
poison per 9:40
You are absolutely 100% correct. I know sometimes we don’t agree, but you have it exactly right on this one.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
10:14 am
says the judgmental bigot
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:15 am
it’s “bigoted” to observe someone comes off as an uneducated moron?
Well it would certainly be bigoted against uneducated morons.
Can an actual moron even be educated I wonder…something to ponder when the groups ahead back things up on the tee this afternoon I suppose.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
10:17 am
Meanwhile…..’ol Barry is having the time of his life at the People’s Republic of Martha’s Vineyard, you know, worrying about the unemployed (playing golf), stock market fall (playing golf), soldiers dying in Afganistan/Iraq (playing golf), Libya (playing golf)……..Yup, his sense of compassion and empathy for the average folk is limitless!!!
Remember when he told Dianne Sawyer that “I’d rather be a good one term president and a mediocre 2-term president”?……He forgot the 3rd option he’ll be known for….a really $hitty one term president
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:18 am
The Left and the uninformed voted for a smooth talking car salesman with NO record/experience at all; the Nation will now get a chance to vote on a drawl laced Governor with an actual lengthy/successful record. Nice change of pace and a good point for comparison.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:21 am
The following is also from Rasmussen:
Tuesday, August 16, 2011
A generic Republican candidate now holds a six-point advantage over President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds the generic Republican earning 48% of the vote, while the president picks up support from 42%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and another seven percent (7%) are undecided. Last week, the GOP candidate held a 46% to 43% edge over the incumbent. This is the sixth week in a row and the 12th week out of 15 since the beginning of May in which the generic Republican has led Obama.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
10:21 am
Hi RW
long time no see
and you’re STILL a deadbeat dad!!!!
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
10:22 am
BTW, you’d think that as much golf ‘ol Barry plays, he could qualify for a PGA Tour card by now……but no, all reports are that he sucks at golf too…….But…..I’m sure he’s worried about us simple folk while he’s hacking away…..
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:24 am
He said he would secede from our country.
Then said he would default on our debt.
In a sane America, this guy is disqualified for running for dog catcher.
In the insane world of con la, la, land, he is a front runner for President.
If you want to finish the job w started in destroying the United States of America, perry is your guy.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:25 am
Oh, with that I forgot in include the chronically gullible in the mix.
Stevie Ray
August 20th, 2011
10:27 am
I like the Republicans fiscal agenda (perhaps thats too strong a word) but on social issues they continue to give me the willies…particularly the whole evangelical christian ranting thing. The footage of those folks in Houston prayer rally appeared to be a step away from passing out the rattlesnakes. Live and let live but I don’t recall any prior presidents with as much mystical fervor which sticks with me in a foreboding way.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:28 am
“…..I’m sure he’s worried about us simple folk while he’s hacking away…..”
I can’t fault the guy for putting (same as putting?) some distance between him and the Ballbuster. They even took different flights up to the vineyard. He could smoke and eat Krispy-Kremes.
(Actually, she may fear sabotage at this point)
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:30 am
Stevie – it’s called a “prayer meeting”. There’s a lot of whooping and commotion that gets generated but no one gets hurt.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:32 am
Perry is a turn off – he certainly reminds one of the previous texan yalie, that definately works to his disadvantage. He is a typical braggart, all talk no action. Jobs? minimum wage creation, yeah, that’s a plus. Deficits? How’s about 9 billion in texas, the truth hurts….
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
10:32 am
BTW, shouldn’t his kids be in school by now? …..or maybe, he just flew up all of their teachers with him on Air Force 1……..wow
@@
August 20th, 2011
10:33 am
Homeboys rule! All politics are local, or, at the very least, should be.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:34 am
A couple of trillion in deficits at the Federal level – that really hurts.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
10:34 am
“…actual lengthy/successful record.”
And why do you suppose that any actual information or evidence of this “successful” record is never provided?
Things that make you go hmmmmmm…
The new and inimproved GOP – the Chock-Full-of-Nuts Party
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
10:34 am
Ininproved? Must be something similar to unimproved…
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
10:35 am
Google broke again?
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
10:37 am
Speaking of “successful” records in Texas, isn’t that what the (W)orst ever ran on?
No sale.
Aquagirl
August 20th, 2011
10:37 am
There’s a lot of whooping and commotion that gets generated but no one gets hurt.
Unless you’re in one of those undesirable groups like Muslims, gays, scientists, or pretty much anyone but Jesus Is My Precinct Captain Christians.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
10:38 am
Dang Jay! I read one of your sentences the first time as, “… the size of his head is a little startling…”, and I thought to myself, Is Jay thinking of the same Perry that I am, Rick — not Katy. That swelled cranium of his is only startling in the fact that it has not essploded all over his constituency.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:38 am
The cons want a default.
For those on SS and Medicare this means you lose it.
You get what you vote for.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
10:39 am
Anyone care to guess what’s on Barry and his family’s dinner menu is tonight? Hamburger Helper like the rest of us, right???
…..oh wait, most of Middle America can’t afford beef, sorry citizens. Barry will be thinking of you while slurping Lobster bisque and angus beef tenderloin tornades (?spp) with backfin crab stuffing
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:40 am
and you’re STILL a deadbeat dad!!!!
I’ll drop by and “pay up” later
/BYW, the “kids” are in their thirties……
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
10:42 am
……meanwhile, “health czar” Michelle has demanded a 1700 calorie Five Guys meal be immediately flown in for an afternoon snack….
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:42 am
amvet
Funny how bruno kept mentioning your “lexus”, the Q45 is a much more sleeker, faster, cooler ride. Are you going to replace, repair or upgrade?
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
10:44 am
……Oprah told Michelle, no problem: I’ll bring the whole Five Guys spread when she flies in on Air Force 2….
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:45 am
Hamburger Helper like the rest of us, right???
…..oh wait, most of Middle America can’t afford beef
And there is even support M-K C’s assertion.
Cousin Eddie: I don’t know why they call this stuff hamburger helper. It does just fine by itself, huh? I like it better than tuna helper myself, don’t you, Clark?
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0005919/quotes
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:45 am
Aquagirl
August 20th, 2011
10:37 am
And they were “hurt” how?
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
10:46 am
I thought the ol vacation thingie was settled last week, and by actual data! But, it seems the cons want to keep getting a smack down. Pay attention cons….There may be a test later!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44198383#
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:48 am
manchurian
Keep on going, you’re wearing your hate on your sleeves, what a guy…
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
10:49 am
Nope, would-be QB,
I just enjoy calling people out on their empty platitudes.
IF his record is that stellar, you’d be trotting it out for all the good boys and girls to see.
Since you won’t do any of the work, I’ll pick up the slack. No worries, here are but ten of his smashing successes…
(1) PERRY ALLOWED THE EXECUTION OF A LIKELY INNOCENT MAN, THEN IMPEDED AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE MATTER
(2) PERRY WANTS TO REPEAL THE 16th AND 17th AMENDMENTS, ENDING DIRECT ELECTION OF U.S. SENATORS AND THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX
(3) PERRY PROPOSED LETTING STATES DROP OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICAID
(4) TEXAS IS THE COUNTRY’S BIGGEST POLLUTER, BUT PERRY SUED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR DISAPPROVING OF THE STATE’S AIR QUALITY STANDARDS:
(5) PERRY DESIGNATED AS “EMERGENCY LEGISLATION” A BILL REQUIRING ALL WOMEN SEEKING ABORTIONS TO HAVE SONOGRAMS FIRST:
(6) PERRY GUTTED CHILDCARE SERVICES EVEN AS TEXAS CHILDHOOD POVERTY HIT 25 PERCENT:
(7) PERRY IS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF TEXAS’S ANTI-SODOMY LAWS: (struck down in 2003 by the Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas.)
(8) PERRY IS A STIMULUS HYPOCRITE WHO LOUDLY CRITICIZED FEDERAL RECOVERY MONEY BUT USED IT TO BALANCE HIS STATE’S BUDGET:
(9) PERRY SAID THAT TEXAS MIGHT HAVE TO SECEDE FROM THE UNITED STATES:
(10) DESPITE HAVING THE WORST UNINSURED RATE IN THE COUNTRY, PERRY CLAIMS THAT TEXAS HAS “THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE COUNTRY”
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/10/241830/top-10-thing-texas-gov-rick-perry/
Midori
August 20th, 2011
10:50 am
BYW, the “kids” are in their thirties……
is that a dig at my age???
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
10:51 am
Mick, maybe he thinks I’m one of those Lexus Liberals. (grin).
Not sure yet, I think she’s totaled. If so, I may get another…
And to all who sent good wishes my way, thanks. You folks rock…
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:52 am
is that a dig at my age???
Well you’re still in that tiny window of time when you’re younger than me.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:53 am
My preference is seeing the Hack-in-Chief take the next 519 days off and then retire.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
10:56 am
thinkprogress.org ???
That’s the one known for being an impartial site, right?
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
10:57 am
I see the best Republican candidate on the list has a whopping 20 percent.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:58 am
amvet
I’m not really a materialistic person but if you really bond with your ride and lose it, it can be a depressing few days. The only accident I ever had some cute ditzy blonde made a left turn right in front of me and it was wet so the impact was rough. It’s like I was in a slow motion movie then blam!!! Thank god some witnesses stuck around to vouch for my version of events. Long story short, got an upgrade and moved on…
FrankLeeDarling
August 20th, 2011
10:58 am
Obama has done more for this country than any of this new crop of republicans,who just want to destroy the government,will ever do.
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
11:00 am
” I see the best Republican candidate on the list has a whopping 20 percent. ”
Yes, and the “best Republican” beats the incumbent according to Rasmussen and others.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
11:00 am
Steve, good move not touching the points therein with a 3.084 meter pole.
If I was con, I wouldn’t either.
Reagan’s moronic legacy, aka the 11th Commandment, lives on…
Dr. Pangloss
August 20th, 2011
11:01 am
To be a viable Republican candidate you have to be a very dumb but likable man:
Reagan
Dubya
Huckabee
Perry
Cain
Or a slap-crazy woman:
Bachmann
Palin
O’Donnell
Angle
(I know that Democrats had McKinney, but she’s long gone. Look what the GOP has.)
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
11:03 am
Mick..Amvet.
I believe that same woman took a left on a red light causing me to slam on my brakes. Then gave me the one fingered salute!
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
11:04 am
Mick, looks like your Canes are in deep doodoo…
What is it with college football these days?
Ohio State. Southern Cal. Auburn. North Carolina. Oregon. Tennessee. LSU.
Jeez…
Dr. Pangloss
August 20th, 2011
11:04 am
AmVet, you missed a good one. Perry vetoed a bill that would have barred Texas from executing retarded people. This was a bill that 70% of Texas voters wanted. At the same time a man with an IQ between 50 and 60 was sitting on death row, coloring in his coloring books.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:07 am
I think deep down the cons know that no matter what candidate they get, he or she will be toast. Their bench is so thin that obama will most likely get re-elected. We will feel your pain and you will then know how it felt to get 4 more of the previous guy. That last four years with him qualifies for the highway to hell arrived at in sept 08…
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:08 am
Mick, no worries……if the immortal words of “Mr. T”…..”you want ‘mo, I gots plenty of ‘mo”
“Hate” is such a strong word…….I prefer the phrase: “expressing the frustration and disappointment of the peasant class, while the patrician(ie Obama) enjoys the spoils all the whilst claiming to be a champion for the people”……..much more erudite, ya think?
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
11:10 am
Dr., not surprising. He’s part and parcel of the pro-death party…
Aquagirl
August 20th, 2011
11:11 am
And they were “hurt” how?
Not being permitted to build their house of worship
Denied the right to marry
Forced to pray to a messiah in which you don’t believe
Unlawfully confined to your house
Watching China kick our @$$ as schoolkids learn junk science
If Perry’s prayer meeting buddies just wanted to whoop and holler and praise Jesus, nobody would care. But they want the GOVERNMENT to whoop and holler and enforce their theocracy. And they’re not shy about saying so.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
11:11 am
Republicans do love their cheerleaders.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:12 am
amvet
Yeah, this slimeball who is doing 20 years for a 960 million ponzi scheme decides to go after the canes? Put him on a witness stand and any good lawyer worth their salt would eviscerate him. Still, these are kids we are talking about, can any school watch them 24/7? How many mistakes did you and I make at that age? We are really PO’ed down here and I wouldn’t be surprised if that dude gets what’s coming to him in lockup…
Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
11:12 am
AmVet
Some info on Perry’s success in Texas…
http://www.perryisacoward.com/
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Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:16 am
manchurian
Thanks for the civil reply, I can go along with that but you must admit, “to the victor goes the spoils”, thats just human nature plus ego, if you grab the brass ring – then wear it…
Normal
August 20th, 2011
11:19 am
To Georgia I say…Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Jus’ sayin’
H.R.
August 20th, 2011
11:19 am
At the same time a man with an IQ between 50 and 60 was sitting………….coloring in his coloring books.
That pretty much applies to the majority of our government educated citizens.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:20 am
Mick….”human nature”……I thought ‘ol Barry was superhuman…..you know, “the Chosen One”, “the Enlightened One”, “the Transcendent President”……human??? News to me……
I guess he plays golf alot like a human…..maybe that’s what you’re getting at
Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
11:22 am
Lukovich on GOP planning…
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2011/08/
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
11:24 am
Paulo, I’m still waiting for one of the faithful to come up with some Perry successes.
But I’m not holding my breath.
I suspect there are some, but on balance, this guy looks and sounds like another real W-type loser.
Mick,
It is a real shame.
On top of an already acknowledged, scandal-riddled past, this may seal the deal in Coral Gables. Do you think they’re gonna get the death penalty?
Winning big by any means necessary.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/18/epidemic.college.football.scandals/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
11:26 am
Well, it looks like Scott Walker has a companion who stepped in his own sh*t!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4966414
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:26 am
RW….lmao….thx
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:28 am
I think the majority of Americans are sick of the cons trying to default and destroying our country.
When there is only one sane gop candidate that does not want to follow the cons destruction, the majority of the American people will make this fact known this cycle.
I just hope it does not turn out like London.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
11:30 am
I didn’t see Sarah draw many percentage points and I was holding out so much hope
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:31 am
H.R……”At the same time a man with an IQ between 50 and 60 was sitting………….coloring in his coloring books.
That pretty much applies to the majority of our government educated citizens.”
And that, my friend, is the evil genius that is Barry and Democratic Party…..
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
11:34 am
Yuck it up, H.R. and Kenyan.
Just another example of how the pathetic Republicans are unlike the rest of the civilized world…
Dusty
August 20th, 2011
11:38 am
Well,
I see that Democrats are already at work calling Gov. Perry “dumb” and a “coward” etc. etc. etc.
Well, let us look at his record.:
First, he’s a grad of Texas A & M University
Second: Political experience..a state rep in Tex House of representative. Texas Commissioner of Agriculture two terms, Gov. Of Texas from 2000 and on
Third: His military experience. Gov. Perry served from 1972-1977 in the USA Airforce flying C-130 tactical airlift aircraft in USA, Europe and Middle East
Yes, the man has faith. He abides by the rules of our Constitution just as one without faith must do..
I think Gov. Perry shows all qualifications to be an able president of the USA. He is a strong man able to face slurs and lies just as President Bush was. We need a strong man in the White House, a leader. The country cries for such a man.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:41 am
ScamVet…”unlike the rest of the civilized world…”
You mean like that liberal nirvana…..(London is Burning) England…..lmao
By the way, what is a government and VA sucking leach like yourself doing with a Lexus??
Steve Hodges
August 20th, 2011
11:42 am
“Not being permitted to build their house of worship
Denied the right to marry
Forced to pray to a messiah in which you don’t believe
Unlawfully confined to your house
Watching China kick our @$$ as schoolkids learn junk science”
And all that happened at the prayer meeting referenced herein? My goodness, I am surprised that the media missed it.
Stevie Ray
August 20th, 2011
11:42 am
As we have learned, hope and prayer are not bona fide strategies any more than calling those who disagree with your views socialist or terrorists. Obama’s “Yes We Can” now is “Not our Fault”. I’m tired of metaphysical hubris being shoved down my throat, discriminating against other faiths, and striving to keep us in the stone age relative to social issues. Maybe if our elected officials spent more time away from K Street and less time meddling with people’s lives, something favorable would transpire in DC. Too bad Paul doesn’t have presidential good looks….
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:44 am
Of course, you want another w collapse Dusty.
We know you want to default.
You call that patriotism but actually it is treason.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:46 am
The gop.
The party that wants to default.
The party of treason.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
11:48 am
Perry looks forward to your continuing support, Dusty. By all means. By the way, did you hear that George W. and his following cannot stand Perry. How do you manage to reconcile that. Torn between two lovers, are ya.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
11:50 am
Broken record: default; treason; resign; w; cons…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
11:51 am
The gop It’s not default it’s De(r)fault
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
11:51 am
TaxPayer – and you think that Clinton likes Obama [except if he's serving coffee]?
Dusty
August 20th, 2011
11:51 am
getalife,
I’m afraid you have lost all credibiity here. Your rants no longer require any attention whatsoever.
Same for AmVet. Repetitious slamming loses its effect. Too bad. (Sorry about your car but not your attitude.)
Dusty
August 20th, 2011
11:53 am
Taxpayer,
I should have included you in the undesirables. No need to attach any importance to foolish statements such as yours.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
11:54 am
TaxPayer – and you think that Clinton likes Obama [except if he's serving coffee]?
And of course you meant nothing racist by that, did you, Tommy Two-Tone.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:54 am
No Dusty,
You lost credibility wanting to default and destroy the United States of America.
Traitors like perry said.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
11:55 am
I was just quoting Mr. Clinton – ask him.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:55 am
Tommy,
Are you a con that wants to default?
Man up son.
Admit it..
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:55 am
Stevie Ray…..Obama’s “Yes We Can” now is “Not our Fault”
I love it!!!!
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
11:56 am
If it will stop useless deficit spending and runaway debt – you bet.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
11:57 am
Rick Perry, in his infinite wisdom, decided that this was a good moment to suggest that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke was somehow deserving of sustained corporal harm. A third round of quantitative easing, to Perry’s mind, would be “treacherous” and “treasonous,” and he darkly mused, “I don’t know what you all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas.” The media paused, momentarily weirded out, but soon were back at it, gushing in amusement over Perry’s “colorful tongue.”
But what happened next was interesting. Amid all of the condemnation of Perry’s Bernanke comment, one set of voices rang out the loudest — the voices of the old Dubya Camp, who hate Perry like feline leukemia. Tony Fratto and Nicolle Wallace were quick out of the gate. Alex Castellanos piled on. But it was Karl Rove — warning of right-wing extremism as if the concept of irony had never been invented — who finally got the worm to turn. By mid-week, the media was over Perry, and amplifying the renewed voice of all those in the GOP bandstand who want someone — anyone! Paul Ryan! Chris Christie! Nyan Cat! — to get into the 2012 race and rescue it from oblivion.
Such foolish statements from such undesireables, eh Dusty.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:58 am
Thank you for admitting it tommy.
Your turn dusty.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
11:58 am
I was just quoting Mr. Clinton – ask him.
It must have been the lack of quotation marks that threw me.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
11:58 am
No problem.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
11:59 am
ScAmVet….”rattle my cage”?……another liberal delusion……don’t flatter yourself….to me you’re either Moe, Larry, or Curly….except not nearly as funny
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:59 am
tommy,
Do you know defaulting would cause another depression?
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
12:01 pm
ScAmVet……I got it!…..you’re Shemp…..he never was funny
Dusty
August 20th, 2011
12:01 pm
Crackpots are not worthy of replies.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
12:02 pm
Who actually cares about these polls right now. It’s August for crying out loud. Tell me about this stuff in January.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
12:03 pm
Nope. But it might slap some sense into the fools that pull the strings in DC.
Aquagirl
August 20th, 2011
12:03 pm
Oh, belated condolences to you AmVet if your car is beyond help. Glad you’re ok.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
12:04 pm
I can see why Huntman does not stand a chance with Georgia’s GOP constituency. He actually believes in evolution and even prefers to trust the climate scientists on global warming instead of the GOP mouthpieces — the mouthpieces that just say no because it’s all they’ve got.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
Dusty called Rove a crackpot!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
The polls only count for those who need money to stay in the race.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:05 pm
tommy,
Self inflicted default is treason son.
You are a traitor, pure and simple.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
12:06 pm
I’ve been called worse by better, Grebler.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:07 pm
I would not buy rove’s lies.
He is still advising perry.
It is w part II to finish off our country.
Intentionally trying to destroy your country is treason.
Period.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
12:09 pm
Well thanks, Dusty! But not for your unprovoked personal insults. (grin)
Speaking of which, the juvenile mystery meat is gonna implode soon enough and that should be another enjoyable spectacle.
Tick, tick, tick…
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:13 pm
Listen to Huntsman on self inflicting default cons.
He knows it is treason and he is the only gop candidate that will never commit treason.
But don’t run him because he would probably win.
Normal
August 20th, 2011
12:14 pm
It may be just me, but I like AmVet and getalife…good people, those…
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
12:15 pm
How could you not love this guy. I mean, just compare his mannerisms with those of the loveable George Bush. What’s not to love.
Manchurian-Kenyan Candidate
August 20th, 2011
12:15 pm
(wink!)…..enjoyed it ScAmVet……gotta go enjoy the beautiful day…….don’t say too many bad things while I’m away……I’ll get back on the blog the next time I’m really bored!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
12:16 pm
But Normal. We know you aren’t (normal that is)
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:18 pm
Thank you Normal.
I think you and AmVet are good people too
Made my day.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 20th, 2011
12:18 pm
Well I know I’m voting for Perry now. I saw the grades he made in colledge. D’s and C’s. He’s just like me. I never done too good in school neither. That danged multiplying table made my senior year the 5th grade.
Anyhow, it looks like he’s as close to Southren Baptist as we’re going to get. I seen where he was praying with all the people in that big meeting in Texas. We need preachers back in guvmint. And beginning all the meetings with prayer and Bible study.
And it don’t look like Perry’s too fond of Those People either. For every White crook they put the needle to in Texas they execute five of Those People and the Mexicans. We need somebody in the White House that will turn the cash spigot off for Those People and the rest of them too.
Now if he’ll just pick Bachmann as his VP we’ll be all set. The two of them can pray the Gays straight and that’ll be one problem out of the way.
Have a good Saturday everybody.
Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
12:20 pm
Dusty
Perry a leader???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/19/rick-perry-candidate-unpresidential
md
August 20th, 2011
12:20 pm
Not impressed with any of them……..and that includes the current guy in office………I’m guessing it won’t matter much…….the incumbent will bear the brunt of an economy in slow motion………….
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
12:21 pm
As usual, the media (Jay) pumps up the flavor of the month like a new hottie who just moved in down the street.
After the first month, what looks hot tends to blend into the background again, and things even out.
Thus will Rick Perry.
We’ll see if his ground game is equal to his new kid on the block status.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
12:21 pm
Seeya later Grand Forks, et al…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
12:22 pm
“It may be just me”
It likely is.
md
August 20th, 2011
12:22 pm
How’s the head today Am? Post anything you shouldn’t have?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
12:23 pm
H’mmm with the lightweight competition maybe Jeb Bush will jump into the race and make it REALLY interesting
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:23 pm
md,
Yes, the gop strategy to stop the recovery for the election worked.
It started the day after their collapse.
This gives you a moral choice.
Do the gop deserve to win using this strategy so they can default on the debt?
Or do we use some patience and give our President more than two years to clean up their mess that probably lost us a decade of growth?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
12:24 pm
Of course Obama has already self destructed.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
12:25 pm
Jeb Bush will NOT get into the 2012 race.
2016? If Hope & Downgrade ™ gets another term, Bush will consider running then.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
12:27 pm
md, it’s a little sore, but not bad. I just can’t consume the demon alkeehall like I could when I was young.
Thank gawd.
And no, I was my usual charming self. (grin)
Thanks for asking…
md
August 20th, 2011
12:30 pm
“Do the gop deserve to win using this strategy so they can default on the debt?”
Did I miss the default? When did it occur?
Otherwise, it was just talk……..as are most 11th hour standoffs………….I was in a union for 20+ years, I’ve seen the game played enough to understand most of it is bluster……………and for the record, I lean more toward those that want to see spending head the other way…….a 1.5 trillion addition (O’s proposed budget) is heading in the wrong direction…………….
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:30 pm
AmVet,
Will your insurance replace it with a better car?
If so, you might be able to get a newer model of your car with less miles.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:32 pm
md,
I guess you missed the debate.
One candidate said he would never default.
The rest said they would.
If you are going to engage in politics, please try to keep up.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
12:38 pm
“If you are going to engage in politics, please try to keep up.”
Pot – meet kettle.
Your ability to understand politics is right up there with your ability to understand nuclear fusion.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
12:38 pm
Jeb bush? I think that name is permanently soiled with the public, no threepeats in presidential politics…
Normal
August 20th, 2011
12:39 pm
Got called…looks like I’ll be workin’ the weekend…see y’all later
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:40 pm
dave is not good people.
We all know that
md
August 20th, 2011
12:41 pm
“One candidate said he would never default.
The rest said they would.”
“Said” being the operative word…………………..
Talk is just that…………talk. More often than not, it means nothing…….especially in negotiations. Both sides have to have some fluff built in, or they have no room to move…………….
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:45 pm
md,
They lied?
Wake up.
The cons want to self inflict a default.
It is a fact.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
12:45 pm
Wait a minute, the Q45 is an Infiniti.
+ 1 points for buying a Toyota product, Am.
-20 points for still being a corporatist snob.
-200 points for giving HD a bunch of crap last night.
Well, off to the second clinic. At least I have tomorrow off, my first Sunday off in over a month.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
12:48 pm
When did compromise become a bad word? In politics compromise is necessary to avoid gridlock.
Many on the right and left are staking out positions that are indefensible in todays economy.
They seem to have taken illegal immigration, unlimited visas, trade tariffs, increased taxes, benefit cuts, defense and a whole slew of other things out of the talks.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:51 pm
“Q45 is an Infiniti.”
People love that car.
Mr Right
August 20th, 2011
12:53 pm
He actually believes in evolution
Who would? Normal scientist look at evidence and come to a conclusion but on evolution they come to a conclusion and then look for the evidence. With new discoveries old scientific
proof is proven wrong so why should we believe them now?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 20th, 2011
12:56 pm
Well, we just got to win next year. If we lose, the worst thing in the world is going to happen. I can take the Socialism and all that stuff. But you know what’s going to happen the day after the election. We’ll be getting that post from No. 1 FOXY LADY telling us to . . . well, you know.
I just can’t take that.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
12:56 pm
getalife
I’ve got to give you credit, you just keep on punching-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNqZjlS-kK8
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:58 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common ,
It is very obvious congress needs replaced.
No compromise is a radical position that leads to civil war.
I think we need a choice to dissolve congress when their approval rating hit the teens.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
12:59 pm
Thanks Mick.
I am a fighter that uses Medicare so this cycle is personal.
Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
1:06 pm
Am Vet
re:car
Sorry…anyway as fall approaches this ought to revive you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBmSppk9n9c&feature=related
Mr Right
August 20th, 2011
1:09 pm
You have got to love Al Sharpton! http://www.breitbart.tv/our-special-tribute-to-nbc-news-and-al-sharpton/
md
August 20th, 2011
1:14 pm
More like shadow boxing…………..
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
1:16 pm
Here’s an idea. Have a box on the tax filings allowing individuals to contribute an amount DIRECTLY to the payment of the debt. I would elect to do that, but many folks talk as if paying on the debt needs to come from someone else’s money.
Ayn Rant
August 20th, 2011
1:22 pm
Perry is flakier than the other Republican candidates, but his “aw shucks” ignorance and arrogance might just resonate with gullible voters seeking bumper sticker solutions to serious problems.
I’ve a great idea for sensible voters in the election season that has already begun: register as Republicans and vote Bachman in the primaries. That way we’ll have some comic relief until election day, when we can return Obama to office with a filibuster-proof Congress.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
1:27 pm
md,
Bring it.
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
1:27 pm
“might just resonate with gullible voters seeking bumper sticker solutions to serious problems.”
Now why does the name Dusty pop into my mind?
jconservative
August 20th, 2011
1:27 pm
Can Perry carry New Jersey,Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana & Colorado in a general election? We know he will get at least 180 electoral votes, McCain received 173 in 2008. But McCain only received 28 electoral votes from states he carried by 60% of the popular vote. On the other hand, Obama received 146 electoral votes from states he carried by 60% of the vote on his way to a total electoral college vote of 365.
All Obama needs to do is get 124 electoral votes to add to that base of 146, and he has the magic number of 270.
The Republicans really need to nominate a person who can carry a few states outside their base.
Say the 15 electoral votes from New Jersey.
And maybe there are enough “Obama No” votes to win with anyone. Maybe. Do the Republicans really want to take that big a chance?
Is 4 more years with Obama better than nominating someone who is not an ideological “true believer”?
Important question.
md
August 20th, 2011
1:28 pm
“Here’s an idea. Have a box on the tax filings allowing individuals to contribute an amount DIRECTLY to the payment of the debt
Here you go……..just fill out the form……and I hope all you others calling for folks to pay more do the same:
https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454
getalife
August 20th, 2011
1:30 pm
There are plenty of good ideas to create jobs.
There is no political will from the gop to vote yes on creating jobs.
Creating jobs helps our President getting reelected.
And the gop said no to that fact.
Failed party over country and the American people.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
1:31 pm
md – you forgot to include your account number on the form.
md
August 20th, 2011
1:33 pm
Common,
I’m a believer in equal opportunity……..when all the tax cuts expire………..otherwise, folks can just hush.
I’m not too big on making some pay more while others choose to pay less………………….and those “others” know who they are.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
1:47 pm
Geesh. The US wants to build a tunnel from the US to Russia. That’s ok? But when the mexicans try it we raise hell
getalife
August 20th, 2011
2:01 pm
Personal attacks will get you banned con.
AmVet has a job and I am retired.
Wrong as usual.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
2:03 pm
I tried to warn you.
Jay
August 20th, 2011
2:06 pm
The eye never blinks….
Willie
August 20th, 2011
2:06 pm
Jay thinks that Perry will self destruct because the fax from the DNC headquaters told him to keep painting everyone in the GOP as crazy.
Jay just writes what he is told.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
2:15 pm
Jay – Now that CT is retired you will become number one in the hearts of the right
St Simons - we're on Island time
August 20th, 2011
2:15 pm
I for one think its pretty shrewd bait n switch marketing
by the Cons. Push the clown car ticket, then switch
to & nominate Romney at the last minute. Only in that
contrasting light will the Mormon guy look reasonable
by comparison, to their fundie base. They’ll leave walmart
en masse and board the church buses to the polls.
Well played, cons, from a democratic socialist
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
2:18 pm
The far right can write in Qaddafi (he needs a job) but he is probably too sane and liberal for them
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
2:22 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
“Now that CT is retired you will become number one in the hearts of the right.”
Common sense you ought to know the right does not have hearts!
josef
August 20th, 2011
2:24 pm
Jay
August 20th, 2011
2:06 pm
“The eye never blinks…”.
Oh, no! The Grand Cyclops is here…
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
2:36 pm
AP
Georgia vet among those in limbo
Sgt. Nicholas Lanier, injured in Iraq, is among thousands of disabled veterans left hanging as they wait for discharge papers
Must be Bush’s fault.
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
2:37 pm
out of the blue
Nope! Just brains.
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
2:37 pm
Cataracts are more common in the eye that never sleeps.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
2:41 pm
jay
Be careful, mighty righty will think you are undercover for cbs
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
2:42 pm
Normal
” Got called…looks like I’ll be workin’ the weekend…see y’all later”
Normal. Why let that bother you, there are 5 or 6 regulars on here and they post all day while at…Ahem, work.
Michael
August 20th, 2011
3:02 pm
Being the head of an OPEC state is a problem for Perry. We’ve already tried one former head of an OPEC state, and he cost us about $15 trillion in lost value in the stock market and housing values.
Also, the Georgia republicans have a decided tea party slant. Almost 50% of the votes were for Perry, Bachman, and Cain. Nationally the Tea party popularity has dropped below atheists – although they still have a lead over dog spit. I don’t think that will be the base for a successful campaign.
Since their number one goal is to defeat Obama, he might as well run against them. It worked pretty well for Harry Truman, and Obama is in a similar position.
SOUTHERN ATL
August 20th, 2011
3:11 pm
Mary Elizabeth@9:50….My daughter and I saw the movie “The Help” last weekend! I give it a two thumbs up also!! Well said!!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
3:20 pm
josef – ‘the eye never blinks’
that’s what everyone said the last time I stayed up all night drinking bourbon.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
3:24 pm
The far right does have a heart, it’s just weak and can’t pump enough necessary fluid to their brains so that they can function.
Just as the far left are all heart and pump too much fluid so they are somewhat full of it
Midori
August 20th, 2011
3:27 pm
jay
Be careful, mighty righty will think you are undercover for cbs
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
3:36 pm
“The playbook we’re following here in Ohio is simple: to grow more, you have to tax less, spend less and regulate less,” Kasich said. “If we can do it here in Ohio, Washington can — and should — do it also.”
msnbc
It’s wonderful to see quote’s like this considering the sweetheart deals Ohio has given Tata consulting(Indian owned) in the state of Ohio since Tata hires very few US citizens and prefers H1b visa holders.
josef
August 20th, 2011
3:37 pm
common sense
Yeah, I was a gin head last p.m. myself!
Doggone/GA
August 20th, 2011
3:38 pm
“but on evolution they come to a conclusion and then look for the evidence”
Don’t know much about Darwin, do you?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
3:41 pm
Josef -
Gin is definitely the devils tonic, dangerous to all that consume. psst it’s really the tonic water that makes it dangerous LOL
josef
August 20th, 2011
3:47 pm
Okay, so what’s sticking in my overly sensitive craw today?
“Midori
August 20th, 2011
10:11 am
it’s “bigoted” to observe someone comes off as an uneducated moron?
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:15 am
it’s “bigoted” to observe someone comes off as an uneducated moron?
Well it would certainly be bigoted against uneducated morons.
Can an actual moron even be educated I wonder…something to ponder when the groups ahead back things up on the tee this afternoon I suppose.”
RW
You asked a question which I think needs to be answered, even if perhaps it was posed in jest.
As many here know, I can be rather “thin skinned” when it comes to issues I feel strongly about. This is one of them. I am always offended when someone throws out the term “moron.” When someone who would like to parade as a champion of the weaker ones of society and who is ready to throw out terms such as “bigoted” in his/her challenges otherwise goes to calling someone a “moron”, I find it questionable and reflective of a limited in range of vision.
That said, I will go off on another of my family experience stories. I have two cousins who would qualify as “morons” under the criterium of an IQ between 51-70. Can they be educated to become productive and happy citizens? Most assuredly, they can.
My female cousin is a high functioning Down’s Syndrom. She reads, writes and figures at an elementary level, possessing the basic skills. When she and her husband, an equally high functioning Down’s Syndrom, announced their engagement, the majority of the local community was scandalized that their parents would not only agree to, but take pride in their decision. The couple were economically self sufficient, employed in menial jobs, even though both their families were able to “take care of them,” they also felt that they should be “able to make it on their own.” They established their own household separate of their parents.
When they announced the impending birth of a child, the scandal escalated. Well, the child was born, they made sure he went to school, helped him with his homework until he passed their abilities to do so at which point the extended family stepped in and took on the task. Today the son is an engineer, well off financially and the parents have their own home at his place, taking joy and pride in their grandkids and their successes.
The other cousin is lower functioning and his “retardation” the result of birth defects. While his scholastic education is more limited, he does have elementary literacy and calculation skills. He cannot function entirely independently. He did, however, “work for a living.” He was a bag boy at the local grocery, and, yes, a union thug! The chain has a corporate practice of hiring these individuals in these positions. My aunt and uncle, his parents, recognized and dealt with his specialness. He lived with them until they died. His older brother was deeded their home with the understanding that he would “take care of P.” P. is now retired on a fairly decent pension plan which my other cousin, of course, manages. P. spends his “golden years” puttering around the gardens my aunt and uncle took such pride in. He knows which plants need what care and the home remains on the “spring tour” and he a respected member of the local garden clubs in a city known far and wide for being a showpiece thereof.
So, yes, RW and midori, morons can be educated. And next time you start to throw the term around a bit too loosely, stop and think about it. To do so is, indeed, highly ignorant and bigoted.
josef
August 20th, 2011
3:55 pm
Common sense
One of our college roommates, Shiksa Belle, was from South Carolina. She claimed that gin and tonic was the perfect health elixir. The gin keeps the blood flowing and the nerves calm, the tonic keeps away the fever, and the lime gives you your vitamin C. The more you drink, the healthier you are…
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:05 pm
I am sensitive too.
I just don’t understand why the cons do not like me.
I am just trying to get them to be better Americans
Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
4:16 pm
Josef
…..as to blinks and their partners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49clc2eqkBg
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
4:17 pm
josef, there are two definitions of the word “moron”
“1.Informal . a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.”
This is the term we use for getaclue, Taxpayer, TruthBe and others. (and Taxpayer’s vaunted “3 degrees” proves that you can, indeed, be educated and still be a moron
)
2.Psychology . (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) a person of borderline intelligence in a former and discarded classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.
This is the definition you (rightly) use for your relatives.
And, yes, you can be thin skinned.
Thomas
August 20th, 2011
4:20 pm
I guess there is no rule against being an ignorant liberal although a little fact for you-
•Conservative households give on average 30% more to charities than their liberal counterparts – despite the fact that liberal households make 6% more.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:21 pm
dave,
“This is the term we use for getaclue, Taxpayer, TruthBe and others. (and Taxpayer’s vaunted “3 degrees” proves that you can, indeed, be educated and still be a moron”
Are you capable of stopping the personal attacks?
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:22 pm
Thomas,
Linky?
Midori
August 20th, 2011
4:23 pm
Thomas
may I have attribution/cite on that “statistic” please?
josef
August 20th, 2011
4:26 pm
DAVE
Yeah, sure. You and CT been getting together on the sly for drinks and lessons in parsing? Oh, that’s right, it’s spelled with a lower case “m?” The Imam must be proud of your conversion!
Midori
August 20th, 2011
4:28 pm
Thomas?
Buehler????
BUEHLER???????????????
Mick
August 20th, 2011
4:28 pm
At least dave r is consistent about his self love, go ahead give yourself another hand.
Midori – thanks for all the smileys
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
4:29 pm
Jay
August 20th, 2011
2:06 pm
“The eye never blinks…”.
Oh, no! The Grand Cyclops is here…
It’s wonderful to see quote’s like this considering the sweetheart deals Ohio has given Tata consulting(Indian owned) in the state of Ohio since Tata hires very few US citizens and prefers H1b visa holders.
Once Infosys is done in by their shenanigans, Tata is next!!!
josef
August 20th, 2011
4:32 pm
Brosephus
Missed you last p.m. Several of us went over the Kyle’s place and had a few drinks chit chatting with Hillbilly. It was sure good to hear from him and know he’s doing well.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
4:32 pm
“Are you capable of stopping the personal attacks?”
I don’t know. Are you capable of stopping your lying and generalizing and willing to have a debate on facts?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
4:34 pm
Josef – Thanks for the story. My cousin Jackie is also Downs and has worked at a grocery store most of his life. He will retire next year with a full pension. His parents also deceased (his little sister lol) sees he has a roof over his head. But he is far from a moron. He thinks, sees, and drinks beer lol. More than we can say for some of our more less lightened viewers here.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:38 pm
Thomas usually posts lies so he is consistent.
HD left because dave can’t stop the personal attacks.
Thomas
August 20th, 2011
4:39 pm
As you gentlemen appear to have all day to google- go for it. I assure you it was a cut and paste. The internet is “littered” with these studies and, like gravity, it is simply the truth. Having said that
google “charitable donations liberals v conservatives”
You may come back and say there are 2100 studies supporting and 235 studies opposed. I simply don’t care as I am neither conservative or liberal and simply think folks time is better spent elsewhere than saying “treasonous cons” “bush sucks” 24/7. It has to be a rather empty life.
If you gentlemen took 50% of the time you blogged and channeled to helping others you can change lives
Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
4:40 pm
Josef
that’s the thing with the English language , there are shades of meaning attached to words – sometimes defined as denotation and connotation . I am not sure that MORON , in the context it was used , referred to any type of retardation but rather to a lazy mental disposition that refused to figure things out…IMHO
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:40 pm
dave,
Sure, when you are intellectually honest about your party.
Thomas
August 20th, 2011
4:40 pm
Oh, so that is how you do a smiley face- kind of neat.
josef
August 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
Common Sense…
Of course the term moron is offensive…those of us with some experience in the prejudices and limitations heaped on those previously “categorized” as such know how harmful and hurtful those prejudices and bigotries born out of ignorance are. To use the term so freely in Dave’s cited definition is but a continuation of those prejudices and bigotries, imho.
And, thanks for sharing your own family story of your relative who is “far from a moron.” I saw a program once on a high end stylist who does free makeovers for Down’s Syndrome women. Amazing. And the sense of self-esteem that comes with that.
Thomas
August 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
Thomas usually posts lies so he is consistent
Yeah, right you angry old key banger.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
4:41 pm
Bro (Brosephus)
Tata is next (we can only hope), How are things at the airport.
I go through there weekly now. You guys need to step up the pace. I haven’t had a good grope in a while
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
4:43 pm
I do not belong to any political party.
For the hundredth time.
And since you love to stalk the internet for personal information on people, I give you permission to ask the RNC about me.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:43 pm
“angry old key banger.”
There ya go again.
At least this personal attack is original.
josef
August 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
PAULO
With all due respect we could say the same thing about “n*gger rich,” “Jew somebody down,” “Indian giver…” “gypsy cabs,” and an endless list of others, some of which we use freely and without a second thought, others which receive a round condemnation should they make their appearance.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
“I give you permission to ask the RNC about me.”
Funny.
It is not about you dave.
I don’t care.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
4:48 pm
Any time, Mick
Midori
August 20th, 2011
4:49 pm
I assure you it was a cut and paste
No!!
I’m gonna have to borrow Del’s fainting couch………..
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
4:49 pm
“others which receive a round condemnation should they make their appearance.”
Yes, but only from the overly sensitive. . .
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
4:49 pm
josef
I ran through pretty quick last night and posted a few chuckle vids. Kinda in and out here now. Sometimes, I understand HD for abandoning this place. Reading some of the stuff here give me a real pessimistic outlook on the future of this country.
NoCom
If I have to grope somebody, it’s usually leading to a stint either at club fed or a local government-run bed & breakfast. Not too sure if you want me to give you the business.
@ the airport, business looks like it’s about to go to warp speed. The new international terminal is coming along pretty good. I can’t wait to get it open so I can try to be the first one to give somebody the Bobby Cox.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
4:50 pm
Richard Engel (NBC) The fight for Tripoli has begun……….
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
4:51 pm
I had to Jew down a gypsy cab driver to take me to my hotel. he was n*gger rich so I didn’t feel bad about being an Indian giver when I promised him a tip and didn’t give him one.
like George Carlin I tried to use ALL of the most offensive terms. But I used them all in one sentence.
josef
August 20th, 2011
4:53 pm
DAVE
Two classes of overly sensitive…those who are only so when it hits too close to home or runs afoul of the party line Sharia and those who try to be EOI in their sensitvity…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
Almost time to rehab the back. That blonde looks interesting LOL
josef
August 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
common sense
Bravo! That was good…!
getalife
August 20th, 2011
4:54 pm
Midori,
It will be over soon.
Another victory for our President.
Thomas
August 20th, 2011
4:55 pm
and as expected…
No!!
I’m gonna have to borrow Del’s fainting couch………..
a little cute response-
carry on Jedis- always believe what your mom said everyone does love you.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
4:57 pm
And don’t forget the polar opposite, josef.
The “honey badger don’t give a f*ck” folks.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
Two Morons figured out a way of escaping from their prison cell. They got outside and found a 20 foot wall. At first they couldn’t figure out how they could get over it. Then one said, “Hey, I have this flashlight. I’ll shine it to the top of the wall and you can climb up the beam and get on top. Then I’ll toss the flashlight to you and you can hold the beam so I can climb up.” His friend said nothing for a long time. Then he said, “Think I’m crazy? I’ll get halfway up and you’ll turn the light off.”
I told that one just to bother josef, since I’m one of two people in the whole world he don’t love. LMR, josef.
Streetracer
August 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
josef @ 3:47 – Good stories. I like to hear about success by the less fortunate. Had two grand kids that were born way premature. Had they survived, they would have both been severely handicapped, but we as a family would have dealt with it. (BTW I’m a pretty tough guy, and have proven it here and there, but the hardest thing I ever did in my life was stand next to my son with my arm around his sholuders while he held his 20 hour old less than 1 lb daughter waiting for her to die.)
Also, hope your book did well. Both my sons bought it and liked it (don’t know about my daughter), but I’m a cheap SOB, I borrowed it and also enjoyed it.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
4:58 pm
Some people are about as sensitive as a toilet seat
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
4:59 pm
“Another victory for our President.”
Three cheers for the Almighty Federal American Imperialism!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
5:01 pm
Hey RC – I haven’t been around for a while and have missed the humor. I hope the beer is flowing freely there.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:03 pm
Way to support your country dave.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:04 pm
assad is next because America supports freedom.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
5:05 pm
Regressives only support OUR President when he has a R beside his name
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:06 pm
My country is the United States of America, getaclue.
NOT Libya.
But I’m sure that YOU’VE been consistent in your failed “supporting your country” logic when we invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam, right, getaclue?
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:11 pm
dave,
Your country engaged to fight for freedom.
No US casualties.
This is a glorious victory but you are a failed American against it.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
5:16 pm
Damn why don’t we invade Canada? At least some of them speak English
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:16 pm
“Your country engaged to fight for freedom.”
My country is engaged in a fight to free another country from a dictatorship we don’t like that will result in a brigand-style leadership we won’t like. And it is not our business to do so. North Korea isn’t free, nor is China. Are you going to use your logic consistently and say we should attack them as well?
But my country is NOT engaged in a fight for freedom for THIS country.
At least, not with bullets.
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:18 pm
DAVE
Just so long as they aren’t selectively honey badgers!
Streetracer…
Thank you for the story. It’s probably just the Jew coming out in me, but I am of the firm and unshakeable belief that every human life is sacred and worthy of dignity. Thank you for the comments on the book. It’s doing a little better than I expected. I got tickled when the first royalty check came. THREE DIGITS! Unfortunately there was that pesky little decimal…framed and on the wall…glad the kids liked it and, hey, not to worry about borrowing it…I just wanted it read. Never expected to make anything off of it!
and Duk-sha-nee U-ni-lu-tsv-hi…
I dislike you intensely and even last p.m. when willing to have a drink with Helen Thomas I still wished you nothing but ill will. You are a mean spirited miscreant at least in your persona as here presented and that’s all I have to judge you by…
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:21 pm
getalife and midori…
I’ve been watching it…hopefully it will be over soon. And yes, President Obama (well, Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice) did the right thing and did it the right way.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:26 pm
Thanks josef.
Reminds me of Clinton’s victory.
The cons were against that too.
Dems can win wars.
Disgusted
August 20th, 2011
5:29 pm
It’s doing a little better than I expected. I got tickled when the first royalty check came. THREE DIGITS!
Interesting. A book I edited on an utterly pedestrian topic has been out for six years now. It apparently has been adopted by some college instructors. Just got the royalty check for 2010 sales—$2,136, not bad for a hack job. And I’m only one of five editors. Thanks, all you parents of college students, for providing me with throw-away money.
pogo
August 20th, 2011
5:29 pm
Getalife is a one trick pony and and name calling is all it has. About 14 months from now getalife is going to one miserable human being. Either Obama will be politically neutered by both houses of congress being in republican hands or bot houses are republican hands and the moron loses. Either way, the future ain’t looking too bright for you liberals getaclue.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
5:30 pm
that’s ok Thomas – I made sure to leave enough room for you.
You can even borrow my pearls.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:30 pm
So josef, getaclue, et al:
When does the American military intervention begin in North Korea? China?
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:31 pm
getalife
Well, there are a lot of folks alive in the Balkans who think pretty highly of the United States and Clinton, and in all fairness, Bush as well…George and Bush are two of the most frequently given names in Albania. America, Hillary and Susan are popular in parts of Libya…so are Barak and Hussein, but kinda hard to know whether they were named for the grandfather on the mother’s side or the President of the United States of America…
Midori
August 20th, 2011
5:32 pm
Getalife has 14 months, Pogo.
Your’s is so very evident right now.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:33 pm
Lets just celebrate this victory dave.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:35 pm
pogo,
Thanks for caring but I am a very happy and very proud American.
It is not about me.
Stalk much?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:35 pm
Sorry, getaclue, but I do not ever celebrate the trampling of our Constitution.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:36 pm
“Sorry, getaclue, but I do not ever celebrate the trampling of our Constitution.”
Sad.
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:37 pm
Disgusted…
The one we’re talking about here is for popular audiences with a retail price in the affordable range. Now that it’s been picked up by some classrooms, the checks are a little better, thanks to the taxpayers of those locales! Those royalties from the academic and their prices….? Those help make for some nice little extras… Overall, though, it’s the translations with no royalties that I tend to go for…I can honey badger the sales!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:38 pm
Getaclue?
You’ve twice failed to answer my question.
When does the American military intervention in North Korea begin?
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:39 pm
DAVE…
When? Perhaps when the North Koreans rise up to take their destiny in their own hands.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:39 pm
dave,
Ask the Pentagon.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:41 pm
dave,
The people of North Korea did stand up and ask us for help.
You know when I call you traitors, you should not prove it.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:43 pm
Oh I see, josef.
We wait for the poor, starved huddled masses to find some way (in the world’s most brutal dictatorship, mind you) to cache weapons and organize before we decide that freedom is right for them?
Really?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
5:43 pm
Sorry
I must have slept through it, when did the trampling of the Constitution happen? other than the Patriot Act/
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:44 pm
“The people of North Korea did stand up and ask us for help.”
When?
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:44 pm
No casualties and the Libyans are paying for it.
Major accomplishment so the cons are against it.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:45 pm
not.
Oppps.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:46 pm
“I must have slept through it, when did the trampling of the Constitution happen? other than the Patriot Act/”
Yes, you did sleep through it.
Every “police action” since the 1950’s has been a trampling of our Constitution.
Including the mis-named Patriot Act.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
5:46 pm
Dave R. – by that reasoning we would be in EVERY ME country not just the few, GEESH
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:47 pm
DAVE
Did they have them in Libya (an Axis of Evil partner)? Do they have them in Syria? I never said that pick and choose wasn’t a modus operandi…this choice was correct…and you don’t have to be a fan of President Obama to see that…
getalife
August 20th, 2011
5:47 pm
Weak dave.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:51 pm
josef, “pick and choose” as a modus operandi is not the measure of a great nation.
Especially when you’re not on their list.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
5:51 pm
14 Reasons Why Rick Perry Would Be A Really, Really Bad President
1. Rick Perry is a “big government” politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.
2. The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.
3. The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?
4. Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.
5. Rick Perry claims that he has a “track record” of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.
6. Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.
7. Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.
8. Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.
9. Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year….
• We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.
• We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.
• We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.
10. Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.
11. Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.
12. Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.
13. In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.
14. Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when “apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.”
Rick Perry has a record that should make all Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents cringe.
Like I said, George W. Bush on steroids. None of this don’t matter to the American public, they just want change. No matter if the change is worse.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
5:54 pm
Getaclue, you’ve now failed three times in answering my question on North Korea.
And you’ve failed to answer another. When did the North Koreans stand up and ask us for help?
pogo
August 20th, 2011
5:54 pm
Schoolkids Records is closing. I guess it is just another victim of the Obama economy. Digital is “where it’s at” and nevermind all the people that won’t have a job anymore working in the small businesses like this. I guess they can all get the “green” jobs that Obama promised. Yea, right.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
5:55 pm
I’m STILL waiting for you to take me to dinner, Sooth
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
5:57 pm
DWR: you’d better vanish before I open a can ‘o woop-ass on yo’ ass!
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
5:58 pm
Why, Midori! I’m blushing from here to there! Is Golden Corral all right? You can just strap yourself in and eat all you want!
josef
August 20th, 2011
5:59 pm
DAVE
Look, Yankee imperialism is what it is, from 1803 forward. I never said that the Libyan stance was the action of a “great nation.” I simply said that it was right.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:00 pm
The next time you accomplish that would be your first time, Sooth. (yawn)
Noticed you once again can’t think for yourself and have to post someone else’s opinion rather than your own.
F. Sinkwich
August 20th, 2011
6:03 pm
Sooth is trying to capture the ol’ c & p crown from Granny.
Good luck.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:04 pm
Silly me, josef. I thought that “right” might include something other than killing innocent civilians with bombs in nations halfway across the world that do not threaten our national interests.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:04 pm
Oh! I think perfectly well for myself! I just prefer to post actual facts rather than conjecture and bluster and bravado
Dave, face facts: you’re a loser! You got drummed out of town and now I have no idea what you do! I hope you have some kind of gain full employment rather than your previous “job.” What a laugh!
Curious Observer
August 20th, 2011
6:05 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
August 20th, 2011
5:43 pm
Sorry
I must have slept through it, when did the trampling of the Constitution happen? other than the Patriot Act/
Just maybe is when the Supreme Court decided that corporations had the same rights—and more—of U.S. citizens. The rest of us are limited in the money we can give to campaigns of political candidates. Not so with corporations, who are free to give to their hearts’ content to fund libelous films and other media regarding the candidates they don’t like.
You will see the outcome of such a distortion of the constitution in the years ahead. Meantime, enjoy the fool’s paradise you apparently inhabit.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:06 pm
Yes! And right on time, here comes Fish Sandwich! Care to joist tonight, Fish? I would think that after all of your previous humiliations, you would just give up!
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:09 pm
Dave R:, “I thought that “right” might include something other than killing innocent civilians with bombs in nations halfway across the world that do not threaten our national interests.”
A cogent thought from Dave R: I salute you!
It’s amazing what strange bedfellows politics makes. I disagree with most everything the Libertarians believe in except getting our fiscal house in order and ending frivolous wars.
josef
August 20th, 2011
6:11 pm
DAVE
What are the casualty figures from that as opposed to what they would have been in the bloodbath planned for Benghazi? You’re the eternal relativist…tell me…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:15 pm
“You got drummed out of town and now I have no idea what you do! ”
Actually, Sooth, I still live exactly where I lived before, so THAT part of your comment is, like so many of yours, incorrect. In other words, I’m STILL in town and STILL active in local issues. Just ask our harried county commissioners.
And the mere fact that you even care what I do and state that you have no idea what I do displays a bit too much of the cyber-stalker trait found common in all too many posters on this site.
“I disagree with most everything the Libertarians believe in except getting our fiscal house in order and ending frivolous wars.”
Really? You disagree with virtually open borders and relaxed immigration? You disagree with equal rights for every adult in all things private?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:17 pm
“What are the casualty figures from that as opposed to what they would have been in the bloodbath planned for Benghazi?”
Don’t know.
But it would have been a possible bloodbath at the hands of Libyans, not of ours.
F. Sinkwich
August 20th, 2011
6:18 pm
“Not so with corporations, who are free to give to their hearts’ content to fund libelous films and other media regarding the candidates they don’t like.”
No, CO, you mean Unions don’t you?
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:18 pm
“You disagree with virtually open borders and relaxed immigration? You disagree with equal rights for every adult in all things private?”
I agree with harsh penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants (much cheaper than a fence). And I agree that what to consenting adults do in their own bedrooms is their own business. And, further, I think that if two people love each other, the government should not be able to control whether or not they get married.
Bud Wiser
August 20th, 2011
6:22 pm
At this point, Perry is probably the frontrunner in the race, with the important proviso that like Bachmann, he has the potential to self-destruct at any moment.
– Jay Bookman
Wishful thinking, Bookman.
Your goon in the WH has already lit his own fuse, and his meltdown is as rock solid sure as Chernobyl.
Even some of his AA support is leaving his camp. He is the captain of a Titanic of his own construction, or should I say destruction?
No matter – Peter only denied Jesus twice; by this time next year, Obozo’s surrounding cast will already be on the highway to obscurity, and he shall take his place there as well.
First AA president? Big damn deal, look what a job he has done screwing the pooch. History will remember him more for his abdication of leadership, watching a rudderless country flail along until 2013 when sanity is restored, and America’s four year nightmare /social experiment will be through.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:23 pm
“Just maybe is when the Supreme Court decided that corporations had the same rights—and more—of U.S. citizens.”
Technically, corporations now have the same rights to political free speech as do individuals, Curious Observer. Pretty limited in scope. The SCOTUS has traditionally ruled on the side of caution when considering political free speech.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
6:23 pm
Golden Corral???
Sooth!!!
you can do much better than that!!!!!
what are you – a tightwad??
pogo
August 20th, 2011
6:24 pm
You hate “cons” don’t you getalife? Admit it. You truly HATE them.
F. Sinkwich
August 20th, 2011
6:24 pm
Well, it’s obvious now more than ever what the lib ilk election strategy is: trash anyone perceived to be a threat.
Mostly it’s just “We might suck, but those other guys suck more!”
The country won’t begin to recover until it’s apparent that Hopey/Changey is gonna do a Jimmy Carter.
Miss him yet?
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:25 pm
It’ the real me!
Midori, for you I’d be willing to “shoot the works.” You name it!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:26 pm
Bud Wiser, just because some African-American leaders are speaking out against his leadership failings doesn’t mean they aren’t going to pull a lever for him in 2012.
In their minds, they’ll have no where else to go.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
6:29 pm
Sorry pogo.
I don’t hate or think I am better than anybody.
You are humping the wrong leg.
josef
August 20th, 2011
6:32 pm
Well, Dave, let me fill you in…casualties from the conflict including belligerants and non belligerant civilians range from a low in the 1500 range to a high of 13,000 depending on the source…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_civil_war
In Benghazi with a population of over 1,000,000 and a center of the uprising the figures of those whose lives were under direct threat was estimated in the hundreds of thousands…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:34 pm
pogo, hate requires some intelligence. getaclue cannot hate.
He can, however, sit back in complete anonymity and call people “traitors” knowing that he remains safe behind the skirts of his host, and realizing that if he did the same thing to these same people face-to-face, he’d be pounded into the pavement.
It is the cowards way.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:34 pm
Maybe this will make it rain!
We’ve already had two “nice” showers here today! In addition to the two “downpours” we had Thursday night! I hoping for you!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:36 pm
And I never equate principle with a headcount, josef.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
6:36 pm
Another inane Carter reference.
The offer still stands, Bushbots.
Carter vs. W.
Bring it on…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
6:38 pm
I wonder where Bachmann and Perry will get the Koolaid mix when they lose their arses
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
6:39 pm
Dave – neither did Stalin
getalife
August 20th, 2011
6:41 pm
The truth dave.
Your writing proves it.
josef
August 20th, 2011
6:42 pm
DAVE
Well, you should. A head count is itself a principle.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
6:42 pm
Try showing the readers a little patriotism dave.
Prove me wrong.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:43 pm
Actually, AmVet, the use of statistics when trying to compare Presidencies is pretty much useless, as there will be little, if any comparative analysis of influences such as current conditions (then and now) changes in laws, scope of government interferences, etc.
But we all know how much you like your little figures and tables in order to try.
But in the more subjective analysis of leadership styles and skills, the comparison between the two (Carter vs. Hope & Downgrade ™ ) is not very far apart.
Neither has them.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
6:45 pm
Sooth, machine gun rock and roll. One of my innumerable Who favorites.
It’s been dry as a bone in Doraville for weeks.
Damn global cooling…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLf6rhKTRjU
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
6:45 pm
“Dave – neither did Stalin’
Common, never equate the principles (or lack thereof) of a nation such as the Soviet Union with those of the United States of America.
josef
August 20th, 2011
6:46 pm
ZamVet
Had a shower in Bughead last p.m. and then just a few minutes ago…not much but it looks like there may be more on the way….
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:48 pm
Hmmm . . . Rick Perry just ain’t happy with the Constitution the way it is he wants to:
1. Abolish lifetime tenure for federal judges by amending Article III, Section I of the Constitution.
That way we can rid of them Democrat Judges.
2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.
That way, them crazy left-wing decisions can be overidden.
3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment.
Thay way, we can institute that “Fair”Tax everone keeps talking about.
4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment.
SHOOT! Everbody knows that the people of the United States shouldn’t oughtta be a’votin’ for their Senators! That’s for the State Legislators to decide!
5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year.
This one I actually agree with. And the best place to start is with an out-of-control Defense budget.
6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.
Heck, we cain’t have ‘em Gays gettin’ married! What’s the World comin’ to?
7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.
If men could get pregnant, abortions would be free on demand in every state in the Union.
josef
August 20th, 2011
6:48 pm
DAVE
“Common, never equate the principles (or lack thereof) of a nation such as the Soviet Union with those of the United States of America.”
He didn’t. You did. Not intentionally, for sure, but you did…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
6:48 pm
I see the the socialist progressives have nothing better to do than spend their day on a far left blog commiserating while the world passes them by. Jay sure is looking a lot older these days than his blog photo.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
6:50 pm
Bud Wiser, just because some African-American leaders are speaking out against his leadership failings doesn’t mean they aren’t going to pull a lever for him in 2012.
In their minds, they’ll have no where else to go.
and where, pray tell, is there to go?
other than Ringling Brothers???
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
6:53 pm
“I see the the socialist progressives have nothing better to do than spend their day on a far left blog commiserating while the world passes them by.”
Au contraire, Del, I’m actually turning work away I’m so busy. How ’bout you? Is that pension wearing a little thin these days? Thinkin’ ’bout takin’ a part-time job are ya?
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
6:53 pm
“If men could get pregnant, abortions would be free on demand in every state in the Union.”
LOL, Sooth. Cons don’t care about fetuses. They just get off on telling everybody how to live according to their rules. Especially women.
Good news jonix.
Keeping my fingers crossed that some head this way.
That Clapton piece I just linked is remarkable in that how many songs do you know that have not one, but two sizzling guitar solos in them.
In the day, Slowhand with his Hammer of God was damn near untouchable…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C3dyZ0jKfg&feature=related
josef
August 20th, 2011
6:54 pm
On Libya I said as the Qadaffi forces were massing for the attack on Benghazi. Do something to stop it now before it happens. We can argue the politics later with no bloodbath to deal with. Obama (well Susan and Hillary) did the right thing and stopped the bloodbath. We can now argue the politics of it. Dusty and I agreed back then, we disagree now. That is as it should be.
Adam
August 20th, 2011
6:56 pm
One man’s money laundering is another man’s free speech, apparently. With that kind of loose definition, free speech loses meaning and become a blanket statement for so many things it could be considered an excuse for just about anything.
And as to the invasion of other countries, no it isn’t our business. There are very few instances in which our invasions have actually helped a nation, and also few instances in which that action has resulted in something positive for us. It’s time to stop it. All of it.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
6:57 pm
Sooth, How you doing? No not yet, in fact will be leaving out of the country next week for almost a month. I’m sure I’ll be missed on here while I’m gone.
Adam
August 20th, 2011
6:58 pm
I see the the socialist progressives have nothing better to do than spend their day on a far left blog commiserating while the world passes them by
I dunno, not working on the Sabbath (Saturday) seems like a pretty good idea to me. So that’s why I’m sitting here letting that world pass me by. The summer can pass right on by with its 110+ heat index before I’ll consider not being indoors on such a day.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:00 pm
Adam,
Sure is hot…damn this global cooling.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
7:00 pm
Jam-man, speaking of EC, how about this one. You know me, love those minor keys!
“Heavenly Father, if it is your will, let it rain on my little piece of this Earth! I ask in the name of Jesus Christ, your precious Son!”
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:01 pm
Adam – There are very few instances in which our invasions have actually helped a nation, and also few instances in which that action has resulted in something positive for us. It’s time to stop it. All of it.”
tell that to them damn Yankees LOL
Adam
August 20th, 2011
7:02 pm
Common Sense: I hope you don’t mean to equate the North’s army in the civil war with modern day invasions of countries.
On the plus side, I suppose, both the world wars worked out pretty well for us.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:05 pm
common sense…
Be careful the Grand Cyclops Imam never sleeps and he’s liable to be slappin’ a fatwah upside yo noggin…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:06 pm
Whats worse than a drunken driver on the roads of Georgia? A yankee trailing a U-haul.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:06 pm
Adam sorry I didn’t say that was sarcasm. My brain must be overheated also.
BUT the NORTH DID invade the South LOL (that’s why it’s called the War of Northern Aggression)
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:07 pm
Josef – that one eye may be closed by now due to the bourbon LOL
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:08 pm
What a gas, Sooth, I was gonna link that one next.
The beginning of that solo in that song just screams out George Harrison, doesn’t it? Kindred spirits…(Even with the Patty Boyd thing!)
I took a buddy to see EC some years back, he wanted to hear the hits, but alas, it was the Nothing but the Blues tour…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOWVg0AoHWE&feature=related
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:08 pm
ADAM
“Common Sense: I hope you don’t mean to equate the North’s army in the civil war with modern day invasions of countries.”
That’s exactly what it was. The same imperialism.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:10 pm
Common sense…
Well, we’ll see what Dave says…generally when the Late Misunderstanding comes up, we get a new thread…but this is the weekend… Dave?
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:10 pm
josef, please no support of sedition tonight! (grin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yf2WP6K1gQ
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:12 pm
Carter vs. W. Bring it on…
AmVet–Why are you so hot to compare Jimmy Carter and George W Bush??
Great reunion with Hillbilly Deluxe last night.
Oh, and BTW, Yankee haters–You’re not making yourselves look so good with the blind hatred. Especially those of you who like to slap the “Christian” label on yourselves.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:13 pm
Amvet – that was a lucky periscope
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:13 pm
Big slate in baseball tonight. Texas is already up 1-0.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:15 pm
WHO hates Yankees? Slow roasted over a fire they are just fine LOL
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:16 pm
Sooth–Back at ya with one of my favorite Cream songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho-teZSjgZY
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:19 pm
Who hates yankee’s? Why we almost built them a Northern Ark to transport them all back up North.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:21 pm
“Amvet – that was a lucky periscope.”
I was thinking the same thing, Sense!
B, I just love how the Carter possessed skip from Barry right back to Jimmy. Skipping over, hmmmmm, let me think….oh yeah, the (W)orst ever! LOL…
And given a chance to compare their records, those that blather JC was so very awful, will not touch it.
And I took harrumph filled umbrage at that assertion that I gave HD crap last night. I most certainly did not. OK, maybe a little, but he and I are cool.
That deep cut Cream is excellent…
You’ve always been a good friend of mine
But you’re always saying farewell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSAGnHNqGc
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
7:21 pm
Jam-man you posted this one the other night and, WOW! this just too hot! Enjoy if you got ‘em!
Oh, I forgot! TURN IT UP!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:21 pm
WHO hates Yankees? Slow roasted over a fire they are just fine LOL
Common Sense–I support someone being proud of where they came from and the associated heritage. But, and a big but, to turn that into hatred of people who don’t share that same heritage comes across to me as extremely small-minded. Especially coming from those who proclaim themselves to be “Christians” or those who cry foul when their own favorite groups are impugned.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:22 pm
ZamVet
And where, pray tell, have I ever “supported” it? An heretical interpretation framed in the paradigms of Cavour, Kossuth, Garabaldi and Company, perhaps. But then we know you’re a converso of the Torquemada school…
BRUNO
So, in your line of thought, any crticism/revaluation/revision of our Northern compatriots equates with hatred…you sound like a Southern white man shouting reverse racism in the desegregated theatre…
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:25 pm
BRUNO
“I support someone being proud of where they came from and the associated heritage.”
So long as its expression conforms to your orthodoxy…
Curious Observer
August 20th, 2011
7:27 pm
? No not yet, in fact will be leaving out of the country next week for almost a month. I’m sure I’ll be missed on here while I’m gone.
Dont’ bet on it, Recon.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
7:28 pm
We could use some of Dusty’s screaming patriotism right about now.
Midori
August 20th, 2011
7:30 pm
We could use some of Dusty’s screaming patriotism right about now.
oh, SNAP!!!
TaxPayer
August 20th, 2011
7:30 pm
Dave R,
I just logged back on to see what folks were up to only to find your 4:17 comment. Just so you know, I requested that it be removed. Have a nice day.
Yours Truly,
TaxPayer
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:30 pm
C.O. I won’t! But I’ll be back even meaner then when I left.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:31 pm
And I took harrumph filled umbrage at that assertion that I gave HD crap last night. I most certainly did not. OK, maybe a little, but he and I are cool.
Well, let’s just say your invective about kissing Hillbilly _____ likely did little to woo him back to the Bookman Blog.
As per his leaving without explanation, I can accept that for two reasons: (1) He doesn’t owe anyone here any explanations. No one signs a long term blog contract that I’m aware of. (2) If he developed negative feelings toward certain individuals or just the whole blog in general, complaining about it wouldn’t change anything and would only reflect negatively on him for complaining.
Part (2) is a lesson that I’ve slowly learned through the years as applied to myself. Maybe some of the Yankee haters will learn that one themselves one day.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:31 pm
getalife
You hush now. I’m getting ready to buy one of her Bush No-Fault insurance policies…
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:32 pm
As for Yankees, we’ve only come down here to claim what is rightfully ours. (grin)
So JB says the eye never blinks, huh? That’s kinda scarey and reminds me of that gawdawful eye in Lord of the Rings!
Sooth, I saw Ten Years After in some rinky place in Lakeland, Fla. Alvin Lee is a rock god.
From one of my very favorite albums.
The driving piano parts in the chorus just slay…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpGQYbOzg8&feature=related
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:33 pm
H.D. Good luck and Semper Fi wherever you are.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:34 pm
According to the warped thinking of Northern hatred I am torn being a halfbreed (southern Mama and northern Daddy). Even though he swore a loyalty oath to the South around 1940 LOL
I hate no one except those that don’t agree with my views LOL.
Seriously, I don’t understand the reasoning behind the US invasions of sovereign countries since the Ike years.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
7:34 pm
Always loved this song! Listen carefully to the piano part.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:35 pm
Del, don’t come back even crankier!
None of my beeswax and if you don’t want to say, that’s cool, but where are you headed, Mr. Jetsetter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwvjJZM29_M&feature=related
getalife
August 20th, 2011
7:35 pm
josef,
Sounds like a fraud policy.
stands for decibels
August 20th, 2011
7:35 pm
a poll of Georgia Republicans
The Best and the Whitest.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:36 pm
ZamVet
Manifest Destiny, eh? Seems to have worked pretty well in the Americas and everybody’s just as pleased as a dead pig in the sunshine (a Kansas one I fell in love with!). Howcum them ungrateful folks in the ME want to be so recalcitrant? Ungrateful heathens…
getalife
August 20th, 2011
7:36 pm
Del,
Why come back?
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:39 pm
Bruno, nobody ever accused me of being as smart as you. Just as smart-assed!
Sooth, classic Berry.
I love this cover of one of his other gems…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahIqhM9MCJE
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:39 pm
AmVet,
S.E Asia just can’t get enough of the heat.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:40 pm
getalife
The drunken GOP Noble Savage former Georgia Insurance said it was a valid policy. Of course that was before his own claim was denied… all he wound up with was some blankets and few beads…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:41 pm
getalife,
Because I know you just wouldn’t be able to handle it if I’m gone too long.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
7:41 pm
Here’s where Rock-n-Roll really started. Good ol’ Boogie Woogie right out of the old Juke Joints in Nawlins.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:42 pm
common sense…
Not a half breed…the tribe is matrilineal…yo mama wuz, so you iz…ask Margaret Meade if you don’t believe me…
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:44 pm
sooth
Nyanh…it started in church…
getalife
August 20th, 2011
7:44 pm
Del,
I think it will be good for you to see another country.
Then you realize how great this country is and will stop whining and start acting like a proud American.
josef
August 20th, 2011
7:47 pm
BRUNO
Before I forget my upbringing, thank you greatly for your work in pulling together the Hillbilly salute last p.m. Much appreciated….
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:49 pm
Wow, back to the jungle, Del?
Dude, DO NOT come back here with any reawakened demons! (grin)
Safe travels…
Sooth. that was some badass ivory ticklin’.
Get thee behind me Satan…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pxEK-bfRBE
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:49 pm
getalife,
I’ve been around this world more than just a few times. You should try it and oh BTW I’ve served my country in the military 61-67, have you?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:50 pm
ask Margaret Meade if you don’t believe me…
Aha!!! Appealing to Yankee authorities now, are you, josef??? Busted!!!
BTW, Margaret Meade was from my hometown, Doylestown, PA, as were Pearl Buck and James Michener. Four mega-famous peoplw all from the same little hamlet. Unreal.
Tommy Maddox
August 20th, 2011
7:50 pm
Stands – you don’t like white folks? Tsk Tsk…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:50 pm
Josef – half breed? maybe not?
But everytime I see oysters on the menu I am torn between deep fried or raw LOL
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
7:50 pm
Jam-man: teen age innocence at it’s best.
Love this “unadorned” version!
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
7:52 pm
AmVet, thanks but this trip I won’t be in the bush. A few places where I never R&R’d like Bali for one.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
7:52 pm
Del,
I have traveled too.
I am serving now.
I proudly support the President of the United States.
How about you?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:53 pm
Before I forget my upbringing, thank you greatly for your work in pulling together the Hillbilly salute last p.m. Much appreciated….
Don’t tell anyone, but underneath my recalcitrant Yankee shell is a tender heart. HD always provided a great example for all of us to follow, so he deserved all the salutes we could muster. I was also glad to see Mick and moonbat betty joining into the tribute along with JamVet.
getalife played his part as well, if only to remind HD why he was wasting his time here.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:54 pm
Michener – great writer for bedtime reading. First there was a grain of sand, 200 pages then there was another grain of sand before it got interesting.
stands for decibels
August 20th, 2011
7:54 pm
Tommy, some of my best friends are white folks.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
7:54 pm
josef: you’re right! It really did come up out of the church!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
7:55 pm
“Well, we’ll see what Dave says…generally when the Late Misunderstanding comes up, we get a new thread…but this is the weekend… Dave?”
Sorry, dinner called unexpectedly.
Yeah, the U.S. has been pretty wrong in nearly every invasion of a foreign land they’ve tried (save WWII).
And if the South wasn’t about as foreign to the North, I don’t know what was . . .
getalife
August 20th, 2011
7:55 pm
Bruno,
Its’s dave,
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
7:55 pm
B, for years I was hugely into Michener. I devoured a bunch of his books. An American treasure…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz64hWng2vM&feature=related
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
7:56 pm
Geeez, josef, thin skinned is an understatement and your justification that I “might have” been saying something in jest is fairly pathetic since you know full well it was in jest. Had you said that you knew I was jesting, but then went on your tirade of why my jest was in bad taste I might feel chastened and probably even agreed with you. As it is your use of the “might have” qualifier is beneath you and was simply used as a launching pad.
Now then, what’s on tap for the evening?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:59 pm
RW – more Yankee bashing is in store, that and asking Josef when he will hit the bestseller list LOL
stands for decibels
August 20th, 2011
7:59 pm
reason #647 why Rick Perry will never be Preznit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44207951/ns/health-cloning_and_stem_cells/#.TlBJ4oImSSo
what. a. nutcase.
Seriously, conservatives, this the best you got? really?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
7:59 pm
My favorite Michener work was about his experiences growing up in a boarding house run by his aunt in Doylestown called “The Fires of Spring”. I also enjoyed “Alaska” and look forward to reading “Hawaii” one of these days.
You see, josef, I’m not strictly all about Math and Science. I have some culture.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
7:59 pm
Out for ice cream – I do love expense accounts
getalife
August 20th, 2011
8:00 pm
RW,
I think if josef keeps blogging, his thin skin will toughen up.
He used the palin argument.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
8:00 pm
Bruno,
You’re mostly liked here, so why the thin skin when folks are only funnin with you?
Adam
August 20th, 2011
8:01 pm
josef, Common Sense: There was no “War of Northern Aggression” or imperialism involved. The states decided they had the right to secede, when they didn’t. They decided they could have slaves and the darn federal government couldn’t tell them what to do goshdarnit. But as far as I’m concerned, they never ACTUALLY were a separate nation, just a big bunch of ego filled states that THOUGHT they were a separate nation. That’s why it’s called the Civil War.
Any framing of the civil war in any context other than slavery being the primary motivator is dishonest, by the way.
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:01 pm
BRUNO
Unlike some, I’m willing to give the devil his due! Not a fan of Meade (supercillious cultural imperialist!) and Buck is not top of my list, being a Yankee Missionary. Michner, now, I have some respect for. And sssshhh…my favorite American author all things considered is John Steinbeck,,,
as for HD, hopefully he’ll add a little class and civility over there where it’s needed…
common sense…
Oysters…bleech, snot on the half shell…unless of course on a baguette from Johnny’s off Decatur…
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
8:03 pm
Bali? Damn, very exotic.
For me, it was Centennial. The stories of those Wyoming snows was something I could really connect with.
And to Sooth’s point about teenage innocence, that time – before PCs and other electronic gizmos – is something I would never, ever trade anything for.
But the waiting feel is fine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6NNGVHrqho
stands for decibels
August 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
AmVet, been meaning to ask-was your Q-ship the original series, or something more recent?
I loved the first generation Q45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1995_Q45.jpg
but felt it lost its edge, turned kinda generic, after that.
whatever the case, sorry to hear of your loss.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
Bud Wiser, just because some African-American leaders are speaking out against his leadership failings doesn’t mean they aren’t going to pull a lever for him in 2012.
In their minds, they’ll have no where else to go.
And until the GOP actually provides another place for ALL African-Americans, it will remain that way.
Curious Observer
August 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
BTW, Margaret Meade was from my hometown, Doylestown, PA, as were Pearl Buck and James Michener.
Pearl Buck was from Pocahontas County, West Virginia, Bruno. In fact, the house forming her birthplace is on the National Registry. I’ve passed by it many times as a native of adjacent Greenbrier County. Perhaps she moved later in life, but Doyleston, PA was not her birthplace.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
8:06 pm
Strange, getaclue. I just ran through all the posts from last night over at Kyle’s and nowhere does Hillbilly Deluxe state any one particular person or person’s in regards to his leaving here. In fact, he specifically refrained from stating his reason(s).
So I guess you’re just lying again, aren’t you.
Got anything else besides lying, getaclue?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:07 pm
the 1st HOCUS POCUS POTUS, or, the First Hocus Potus.)
Did someone say “Hocus Pocus” ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
8:07 pm
“And until the GOP actually provides another place for ALL African-Americans, it will remain that way.”
Because the lesser of two evils is always a great way to vote.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
8:08 pm
dave,
Made you look.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:09 pm
“whoever thinks that Perry is prez material. UR obviously an idiot and you have no idea who America is. America is exactly who you AINT. The internet ruined you and your kind.”
I know exactly who America is. “America” exists on a third-grade level! America is unhappy! Obama didn’t make them happy. Ergo, they will vote for the Perry. Which is the “un-Obama.”
And, in eight years, they will vote for the “un-Perry” whoever that may be!
Unfortunately, it won’t make any difference. Because the unelected elite who control this country never change. And, what the unelected elite who control this country could care less about what the American people want!
So, go ahead, vote for your Republican alternative! See what you get!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
8:10 pm
“Any framing of the civil war in any context other than slavery being the primary motivator is dishonest, by the way.”
Proving once again that going to school doesn’t mean you get an education . . .
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:10 pm
Perhaps she moved later in life, but Doyleston, PA was not her birthplace.
CO–She moved there later in life. Pearl Buck was also born elsewhere, but we still claim her. I rechecked, and Michener was actually adopted, not raised by his aunt.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
8:11 pm
The GOP hasn’t done a good job and needs more Allan Wests. It’s too bad from my perspective that Codi Rice has bowed out.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
8:11 pm
stands, a pearl colored beauty. And thanks, I very much appreciate all of the goodwill shown by the good peeps here.
Like I say, we’re all in this crazy sh*t together…
http://www.carfinderservice.com/images/used/1310.jpg
This record has such a great feel to it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnboZTs0ZXw
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:11 pm
RW
All I did was answer your question, acknowledging that it was possibly said in jest and that my own response would be from a “sensitive” standpoint. That was my “launch” pad…and I’m not trying to chasten you particularly. My conclusion was simply that yes, it’s bigoted and yes it is ignorant and you might want to think about insults before you use them…thass all…
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:14 pm
ADAM
“Any framing of the civil war in any context other than slavery being the primary motivator is dishonest, by the way.”
While I wouldn’t argue against that, looking at the frame and not the picture inside is not only dishonest, it’s anti-intellectual and very narrow minded.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
August 20th, 2011
8:16 pm
Good night all. Have to watch a movie with the Mrs. Taps
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:17 pm
my favorite American author all things considered is John Steinbeck,,,
Enjoyed Grapes of Wrath, but found The Great Gatsby to be boring.
Favorite American author?? How can anyone not pick Samuel Clemons aka Mark Twain??? The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County??? C’mon, josef!?!?!?!
Also the author of some of the cleverest quotes of all time: “The coldest winter I ever spent was the summer I spent in San Francisco”
BTW, Clemons also has three patents to his credit.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
8:17 pm
“Because the unelected elite who control this country never change.”
The liberal media?
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
8:18 pm
Dave
I don’t think many people see it as the lesser of two evils. I think it’s more a case of the status quo versus something probably worse. As others have said, people vote with their pocketbooks. If the GOP brings jobs to the hood and ends the dependence on welfare, they’ll get the votes. Until then, it’s better to just maintain the perceived status quo instead of possibly losing economic ground.
Curious Observer
August 20th, 2011
8:18 pm
Bruno: Here’s the info about the Pearl Buck birthplace. It’s a very pretty house, well-maintained and kept in immaculate condition. It’s along Route 219, which leads south to Lewisburg, the seat of Greenbrier County:
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7hUpTlBOqDEATKJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0cDFyM3MxBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01BUDAwNV83NQ–/SIG=11oe6ceiv/EXP=1313914537/**http%3a//www.pearlsbuckbirthplace.com/
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:18 pm
Iconic and always my favorite BM song! Love it!
And a great message to boot!
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
8:19 pm
getalife
“assad is next because America supports freedom.”
Getalife, Why would you want to go to War again? How many children have you sacrificed for America, or better yet, what have you sacrificed for America.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
8:19 pm
Favorite American author??
Stephen King and/or Peter Benchley!!!!
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:20 pm
No, Dave, these people!
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:21 pm
ADAM
The official records of the federal government use the term War of the Rebellion, a correct term from their perspective. The records of the South used the term War of Southern Independence, a correct term from their perspective. The first term of compromise from the former combattants was The War Between the States, used both North and South. The term Civil War came from the academics of the early 20th Century and is considered by many academics, especially those on the left, to be a misnomer as it was defined in geographical terms.
As Brosephus and I would say, we are headed much more toward a Civil War with the partisan bickering going on which does indeed pit neighbor against neighbor in geographic proximity.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
8:23 pm
As Brosephus and I would say, we are headed much more toward a Civil War with the partisan bickering going on which does indeed pit neighbor against neighbor in geographic proximity.
Yep. Neighbor as in next-door neighbor, and not neighbor in general.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 20th, 2011
8:23 pm
Off to spend some time with the missus.
Catch you later tonight or tomorrow.
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
8:25 pm
Brosephus
Dave
” I don’t think many people see it as the lesser of two evils. I think it’s more a case of the status quo versus something probably worse. As others have said, people vote with their pocketbooks. If the GOP brings jobs to the hood and ends the dependence on welfare, they’ll get the votes. Until then, it’s better to just maintain the perceived status quo instead of possibly losing economic ground.”
Bro, How can you lose ground if your on Welfare and don’t have a job? Do you think that the people living in the ( hood ) have it better now than 10 or 20 years ago?
getalife
August 20th, 2011
8:28 pm
pp,
Their people have to fight for their freedom.
Are you even paying attention to world events?
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:30 pm
BRUNO
Hated “Gatsby” And F. Scott didn’t write it, Zelda did…
Twain? Don’t much care for his fiction and given his opinions of Indians he ain’t no hero hereabouts…though we both agree that Roughing It and Letters from the Earth are among the finest writing in the English language…
And, remember, I did say Steinbeck was my “favorite.” I never claimed he was “the greatest,” “the best” or any of that. In my opinion, the greatest? Faulkner (sorry, Granny!) The best? Wheew…that’s just too hard to come up with…
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:30 pm
Jam-man @ 8:11 that song reminds of this one!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:31 pm
If the GOP brings jobs to the hood and ends the dependence on welfare, they’ll get the votes. Until then, it’s better to just maintain the perceived status quo instead of possibly losing economic ground.
Brosephus–Again, just my opinion, but I think that black support for the Democrat Party is based on one thing and one thing only: Affirmative Action. Any fair reading of history shows that it was the Republicans, not the Democrats who pushed for Civil Rights going back to the 1930s. Poll after poll shows that the typical black voter’s political outlook more closely matches that of the Republicans and not the Democrats. But, the Dems have been successful in playing the race card and giving a lot of lip service toward helping the black man while delivering zilch. During the current economic downturn, for example, black families have been hit much harder than white families. Apparently, a Democratic-controlled White House and Congress didn’t make any difference.
josef will say that it’s an impossible task, but the conservative/Republican ideal is, and has been, to remove race as a consideration, a goal that you’ve claimed for yourself. We need to move past the politics of racial identity, but it will never happen as long as the Dems profit from their divide-and-conquer strategy.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:31 pm
Josef: how are and the Un-man doing tonight? Fine, I hope!
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:32 pm
Tanks and tonic all around I hope!
out of the blue
August 20th, 2011
8:33 pm
Enjoyed Grapes of Wrath, but found The Great Gatsby to be boring.
gee Bruno, From your posts I thought you were some kind of big deal in the medical profession, but, if you don’t know that Steinbeck did not write the Great Gatsby, well!
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:36 pm
BRUNO
You’ve got to read Steinbeck’s “The Shorth Reign of Pippin IV…” This is not the place for it, but remind me at SE to tell you why it’s particularly funny to me…
Cannery Row? Tortilla Flat?
“…She had a taste for Nile green evening dresses and ran an honest one price house…”
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:37 pm
I have researched this and I can confirm beyond any doubt that mosquitoes despise tonic water!!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:39 pm
And, remember, I did say Steinbeck was my “favorite.” I never claimed he was “the greatest,” “the best” or any of that. In my opinion, the greatest? Faulkner (sorry, Granny!) The best? Wheew…that’s just too hard to come up with…
Good point, josef, favorite /= best.
On my favorite American author list, I would also have to include Kurt Vonnegut Jr along with Robert Pirsig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance). On the non-fiction side, Physicist Richard Feynman remains at the top of the list, with Brit mathematician W W Sawyer right next to him.
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:39 pm
Sooth
A bit of the hair of the dog…but not out for a repeat of last p.m. I almost was ready to sit down to a Tank and tonic with Helen Thomas…
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:41 pm
BRUNO
Gott join you on Vonnegut, too…Slapstick being one of my favorites… “Gravity was very light that day…” “I’m an old f*rt now with my memories…” “Carlos was really a very stupid man…” “Hi-ho…”
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:44 pm
josef: tonic is a h*ll of a hangover!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:45 pm
From your posts I thought you were some kind of big deal in the medical profession, but, if you don’t know that Steinbeck did not write the Great Gatsby, well!
A little oops there. Fortunately, my clients don’t come to me for literary guidance!!
On my most overrated author list, I would put James Joyce near the top. “A Portrait of the Artist As A Young Man” sucked.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
8:46 pm
Sooth, that is so cool.
Never mind that the Allman Brothers Band did not only some of the very best of the best of rock music, they basically defined an entire genre…
From a fabulous solo Gregg Allman album titled Laid Back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK1QncTz5Nc&feature=related
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
8:47 pm
you might want to think about insults before you use them…
josef,
It’s highly misleading of you to say that I was throwing out insults and even more misleading that you insinuate that as typical of me.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:47 pm
Lecithin helps with the acetaldehyde. Just a suggestion.
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
8:48 pm
And it’s misleading of me to leave out the preceding ellipses…my bad.
Jm
August 20th, 2011
8:49 pm
Romney will win in the long run based on how republican primary votes rack up.
If not, this will be very interesting.
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:50 pm
Sooth
Never have had a hangover from G & T! Rum and Coke? Yow! If I could’ve reached the nightstand drawer, I wouldn’t be here to talk about it!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
8:52 pm
but remind me at SE to tell you why it’s particularly funny to me…
Yeah, yeah, you and your SE promises. Leave me standing at the altar one more time, why don’t you??
Slapstick being one of my favorites…
Slapstick only remains near and dear to me since a high school sweetheart gave it to me for my birthday. I should have schtupped her, but my respect for our mutual innocence stopped me.
My favorite Vonnegut works are “The Sirens of Titan” and “God Bless You Mr. Rosewater.” Jerry Garcia named his publishing company “Ice-Nine” in deference to Vonnegut. He obtained the movie rights to “Sirens of Titan” but never completed the project before his death in 1995.
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:54 pm
RW
D*mn! You’re beginning to sound like the Imam…I never once said YOU threw the insult…someone else did and I actually was giving you credit for challenging it…and where, for the love of G-d, did I insinuate it was “typical” of you? I would think that you know by now I don’t insinuate. I leave that to the Imams. Believe me, did I think it were typical of you, I’d've said so…
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
8:54 pm
Bro, How can you lose ground if your on Welfare and don’t have a job? Do you think that the people living in the ( hood ) have it better now than 10 or 20 years ago?
Easy, lose welfare. Then you don’t have jack sh*t. If the GOP crusaded for ending welfare by expanding job opportunities for ALL Americans, they’d find a more sympathetic ear in “da hood”.
Bruno
It goes much deeper than race. It’s all about economics. There are more Whites on welfare than there are Blacks, yet anytime welfare is mentioned, it’s always the Cadillac driving, cell phone having, nails done, living in the projects person who’s identified with welfare. It’s never the other groups who subsist on welfare.
The GOP could remove ALL race, and unless they address the economic disparity, they will still come up short on support from Blacks. Trust me, there are many who know that Republicans were the party behind the Civil Rights and slavery stuff. The Republicans of yesteryear would not have a chair at the table with the current GOP. Until the current GOP addresses that, it’s still a loss.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
8:55 pm
Damn man, that was some bodacious cerebral comedy at 8:44. And I’m not easily impressed.
During the current economic downturn, for example, black families have been hit much harder than white families.
Am I missing something, my bruhva? But isn’t that always the case?
Apparently, a Democratic-controlled White House and Congress didn’t make any difference.
Of course not. Meet the new boss…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
8:56 pm
Forgotten Messiah: Just relax, the people from the institute are on their way over. They said for you to just relax and not to resist. That everything is going to be all right! Just stay calm and everything will be all right! OK?
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
8:57 pm
Do you think that the people living in the ( hood ) have it better now than 10 or 20 years ago?
Forgot to address that question. According to research posted here, there’s more cell phones, flat screen tv’s, playstations, x-boxes, and other crap in the homes of those living in poverty today, so yes, I think they have it much better now than they did 10-20 years ago.
josef
August 20th, 2011
8:57 pm
Bruno
Not to worry about SE and left at the altar…when I can get back to you, you’ll know why…
And Vonnegut…another one I’d have a hard time ordering a list of favorites…
Soothsayerc
August 20th, 2011
8:58 pm
“Rum and Coke? Yow! If I could’ve reached the nightstand drawer, I wouldn’t be here to talk about it!”
How about Bourbon and Coke? Never have been able to touch the stuff since?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 20th, 2011
8:59 pm
Well, I’m bumfuzzled. Didn’t RW get fired? And didn’t Midori call him a deadbeat? So what’s he doing on this blog, instead of working lots of hours to impress his new boss? I guess he ain’t making so many trips to the forest now. He’s having to work his butt off to keep a job. He’s learning what Private Innerprize is all about.
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
8:59 pm
Bruno, I remember that song. It stinks as bad now as it did back then. This is why people, who think and act and respond to stimulie, like you, (and you are good, good, good peoples), who know not what you do, ruined the seventies, just ask John Lennon about that, oh, damn, you folks done kilt ‘im.
WhatRtheodds If only you had realized how bad the music you loved stunk.
Darn.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:03 pm
As for Forgotten…shoo-eee talk about your stream of (un)consciousness…hope it’s not a Tank and tonic talking…
Brosephus…
When, oh when, are folks going to get it through their thick skulls. I guess if you call it class, you a comuniss, Ignatius, so call it race and be a good party line liberal or conservative…
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
9:04 pm
josef,
When you told me I should think before I throw out insults it reads to me exactly like what I said it does.
Now dammit, get back to the other question about what’s on tap for this evening. Is everybody planning to get bombed and raid some other random blog again?
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
9:04 pm
Never mind, the cerebral cat don’t get music. Not really.
Useless factoid, Chapman was a big fan of….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98zq9bsX-Sg
Curious Observer
August 20th, 2011
9:04 pm
Rum and Coke? Yow! If I could’ve reached the nightstand drawer, I wouldn’t be here to talk about it!”/i
Haven’t been able to touch the stuff ever since a trip to Vieques Island during the Bay of Pigs invasion as a young Marine. I threw up until I expected to see my a-hole in the next pile of goo. To this day, I can’t stand the taste of rum. Those CIA and CID people who offered me the stuff did me a big favor.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:05 pm
Redneck: you mean RW done got one them “good payin’” jobs for $7.53 a hour?
Now, listen, RW, just ’cause you’re makin’ $7.53 a hour don’t mean you get to get off without payin’ no taxes! If’n you can afford a refrigerator, a macorwave, air-conditioning, and a big-screen television, you can shorely afford to pay more income taxes!
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
9:06 pm
Well, I’m bumfuzzled
RC,
You could have stopped right there and you’d have finally gotten something right.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:06 pm
Soothsayerc
good one!
Bourbon and coke? Quote Mama, “don’t ruin good bourbon with coke and don’t ruin good coke with bourbon!”
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:06 pm
and unless they address the economic disparity, they will still come up short on support from Blacks.
And other than simply handing someone a job because of their race, how do you propose to accomplish that??
From the outside, it appears to me that we need more black leaders like Bill Cosby who try to raise interest in getting a good education, and less leaders like Al Sharpton who only want to claim “We got screwed”. Beat Whitey at his own game through education, I say.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:09 pm
The Forgotten Messiah: I just talked with the Institute. The ambulances are very close. They said for you to remain calm and not to resist and everything will be all right. They’re going to put you to bed. Once you have had your meds, you’ll be able to sleep!
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
9:10 pm
Dammit peeps, we’re all racists and bigots. Every last one of us. Trying to quantify it is dumb. Just fight the power. (get it?)
josef rags on him relentlessly but Redneck ain’t no dummy. Anybody who uses the word bumfuzzled is alright.
More power pop sweetness…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXq81-cGJr4&feature=related
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:10 pm
when I can get back to you, you’ll know why…
Nevermind, then. I got a feeling some “You just don’t understand the Southern mindset” lecture is in store.
Never mind, the cerebral cat don’t get music. Not really.
JamVet–Please don’t feed the trolls. Just sayin’
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
9:11 pm
If you are talking economic opportunity I think ALL Americans were better off 20 years ago than today.
Yes there was a hell of a lot of racist crap. But education was available. The education system since then has broken down in many areas due to economic racism.
Meaning local gov’t do not fund inner city schools on an equal basis. As the tax base leaves the city the cities cut services causing businesses to close meaning job loss for the residents.
That is a cycle that must be broken before many will be able to rejoin the economy.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:11 pm
RW
I can see your point on that one…I stand chastised…but, then, you DID allude to your golf playing buddies…
So, I’ll accept that in that context the term was used within the framework of the per capita IQ 
Seriously, though, I welcomed your question and was responding to it honestly that, yes, “morons” can be educated…
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:15 pm
The Forgetten Messiah: can you say .44 mag long barrel?
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
9:15 pm
Bruno
For starters, you can’t beat the sh*t out of somebody, and then claim that you’re doing it for their betterment. Education is the key to breaking the cycle of poverty. If the education doesn’t start in the home, the kid is already a lap down. When you’re scapegoating teachers and the entire education system without offering a better alternative, you’ve put that kid another lap down.
I’m not giving Democrats a free pass either. Perception is reality in the hood. If that young kid doesn’t see a future, he’s not gonna shoot for a future. It goes a long way towards helping someone when you paint a positive image. Calling teachers leeches isn’t gonna cut it.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:16 pm
ZamVet
You can like him all you want to. There’s no accounting for taste. You can roll a cat t*rd in cracker crumbs, deep fat fry it and call it haute cuisine if you won’t to. Just excuse me if I don’t want any….
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:16 pm
Jam-man: one of my favorites. This is my (for personal reasons) favorite TR song.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
9:17 pm
Sorry, B. Sometimes the spectacle of doing so is hard to resist…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY3g_c8QUas
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:17 pm
BTW, Am–You may want to hold off on that “smart” comment you made to me earlier. I picked Cleveland over Detroit tonight. Now I need Texas to win to just break even.
More power pop sweetness…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3KeiPjbgcE
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
9:20 pm
josef,
I’m not sure we’ve been blogging together long enough for you to realize it, but I seldom use either moron or idiot and never use them to describe someone’s actual mental capabilities. I don’t think Midori was using the word to describe a truly mentally disadvantaged person either.
/and I didn’t really allude to my buddies, I alluded to those damned fools up ahead that take twenty minutes to miss a three foot putt.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:23 pm
“I alluded to those damned fools up ahead that take twenty minutes to miss a three foot putt.”
That’s why I don’t play on the weekends.
bail out - too big to fail
August 20th, 2011
9:24 pm
. . . . . no crummy republican left behind.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:25 pm
For starters, you can’t beat the sh*t out of somebody, and then claim that you’re doing it for their betterment.
I thought that was your line after you open up a can of whoop-ass on some perp.
Education is the key to breaking the cycle of poverty. If the education doesn’t start in the home, the kid is already a lap down. When you’re scapegoating teachers and the entire education system without offering a better alternative, you’ve put that kid another lap down.
Buddy, all I’m suggesting is that blacks take a page from the Jewish playbook. Beat your oppressors at their own game by out-succeeding them, no matter how much crap is thrown your way. Excuses and bellyaching won’t do it, nor will even appeals for “fairness’. Whitey can’t do it for you, black man has to do it for himself.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
9:26 pm
josef, are you suggesting coconuts migrate? Or that I like cat t*rd delights?
Well, I never! His presence here is invaluable. To me the only question is which character in JB’s One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest he plays.
Watched From Here to Eternity for the first time this weekend. Wonderful film. Killer cast.
Killer power pop with a boojy woojy tinged, faux Fab Four edge, B.
And the Braves look for real. They’ve got their hallmark dominant pitching. Bring on some more October baseball, baby!
Might as well stuff yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAzWK7fhd4
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:27 pm
BRUNO
“Nevermind, then. I got a feeling some “You just don’t understand the Southern mindset” lecture is in store”
Not to worry. I’ve long since given up on you with that one. Nanh, this one is far removed from the sectional grievances of the North American empire…just suffice it to say for now that revenge is a dish best served cold!
RW
Like I said, you’re channelling the Bruin on the parsing…go back and read what common sense posted using a set of terms…all I said was “you might want to think about it.” You might.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:28 pm
That’s why I don’t play on the weekends.
No, that’s what hitting into the group in front of you is for. Oh, so sorry, didn’t see you there……..
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
9:30 pm
josef,
I hate backtracking and I’m not about to go search this blog for common sense so with no further adieu or parsing I’ll grant you the last word.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:31 pm
Hey, it took me ten shots to reach the green! I’m just getting my money’s worth. Waddya mean, Ranger, speed it up? We’ve only been playing this hole for 45 minutes. Give us a break!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:32 pm
I’ve long since given up on you with that one.
josef made a funny……………
Nanh, this one is far removed from the sectional grievances of the North American empire…just suffice it to say for now that revenge is a dish best served cold!
I can hardly wait.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:32 pm
ZamVet
He’s mean spirited. I don’t like that. I don’t like it all. Call it humor if you want to.
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
9:33 pm
Golf stories. I recently hit an eight iron and dropped a beaut of a shot four feet from the hole and damn if it started tracking right for it! And stopped a golf pencil short.
Still no aces…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=510NrIUW-zA&feature=related
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
9:35 pm
Bruno
That’s already happening. Warren Ballentine, a talk-radio host, has already started a project to get Blacks to invest in Black businesses. I don’t agree with the overall picture that paints, but that’s how every group has risen above poverty. You have to help yourself before you help others.
At one point, Black America was #1 when it came to spending power, mostly due to the lack of investment and/or saving. At the same time, Blacks were running away from Black owned/operated businesses by the train load. When you have that kind of economic power and don’t use it to your advantage, you’ll never come out ahead. There’s some up and coming younger people who will probably push the economic agenda. Cosby and his group does a great job addressing the social aspects, but even they do or say nothing about the economic stuff.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 20th, 2011
9:35 pm
Likened to cat doo-doo rolled in cracker crumbs? This means war!
AmVet
August 20th, 2011
9:37 pm
“He’s mean spirited.”
OH?! That explains it!
Like nobody else here is, huh? (Occasionally including a couple of MOTs who come to mind.)
If he’s mean spirited, I’m a monster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sidm9Lwc_64&feature=related
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:37 pm
HOW DOES IT FEEL?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:40 pm
I hate backtracking and I’m not about to go search this blog for common sense so with no further adieu or parsing I’ll grant you the last word.
JamVet–Deja vu all over again, eh??
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:44 pm
RW
If you want me to have the last word, this is it…
Paulo posted…
“Paulo977
August 20th, 2011
4:40 pm
Josef
that’s the thing with the English language , there are shades of meaning attached to words – sometimes defined as denotation and connotation . I am not sure that MORON , in the context it was used , referred to any type of retardation but rather to a lazy mental disposition that refused to figure things out…IMHO”
I responded…
“josef
August 20th, 2011
4:45 pm
PAULO
With all due respect we could say the same thing about “n*gger rich,” “Jew somebody down,” “Indian giver…” “gypsy cabs,” and an endless list of others, some of which we use freely and without a second thought, others which receive a round condemnation should they make their appearance.”
Common sense then put it far more succinctly than I ever could…
“Common Sense isn’t very Common
August 20th, 2011
4:51 pm
I had to Jew down a gypsy cab driver to take me to my hotel. he was n*gger rich so I didn’t feel bad about being an Indian giver when I promised him a tip and didn’t give him one.
like George Carlin I tried to use ALL of the most offensive terms. But I used them all in one sentence.”
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:45 pm
Golf stories. I recently hit an eight iron and dropped a beaut of a shot four feet from the hole and damn if it started tracking right for it! And stopped a golf pencil short.
I can top that one, Am. I nearly hit a hole in one down at the Tup Holmes course several years ago. Out of nowhere, some guy runs onto the green, picks up my ball, and skeedaddles. Being from Jersey, I tracked the mofo down and made him hand it back over with the threat of permanently installing a 4 iron into his skull.
Still no aces…
The closest I got was a lip out.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
9:45 pm
It’s impossible to find common sense here LOL
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:46 pm
Forgotten Messiah: No one has threatened you. What are you on?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:47 pm
RW–If you want me to have the last word, this is it…
josef, take my word for it. Beating your head against the wall will be far more satisfying than waiting for RW to apologize, or even admit that he said what he said. Providing direct quotes is no help.
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
9:48 pm
If you want me to have the last word, this is it…
I thought I meant you’d already had it.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:49 pm
ZamVet
Yes, mean spirited and not like others. Others are multi-faceted and not some assinine one-trick (and a bad one at that) pony…now, according to the Bruin, he is really somebody else about the blog and that individual might even be somebody I might like a great deal…but not this mean spirited jackass persona…which is all I have to judge by here and now…
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:50 pm
I ran into an old golfing buddy of mine the other day and he said that he had found the perfect woman. “She’s so easy to talk to and we enjoy doing everything together!” he said.
“Fantastic!” I said.
“There’s just one little problem,” he said.
“Oh, what’s that?” I said.
“Well, she’s a hooker,” he said.
“You’re not going to let a little problem like that stop you, are you? Heck, I used to have a real bad slicing problem!” I said.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
9:51 pm
Bro isn’t totally insane. He’s just hurting from beating his head against thicker skulls than his LOL
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
9:51 pm
It part of the human condition and always just under the surface…
Sometimes I just feel so afraid
But I know that no one else has it made
So if I just believe in myself
I won’t need no help from nobody else and I can make it alone
And everything will be cool, I got to keep on keepin’ on
There’s nothing else I can do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPE82q2qoQ&feature=related
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:52 pm
“The man is insane. He must be. Keynes? Freedman(sp)?”
Someone’s insane, all right!
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
9:53 pm
sooth – as long as her daddy owned the golf course or a liquor store she would be eligible for marriage
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:53 pm
There’s some up and coming younger people who will probably push the economic agenda. Cosby and his group does a great job addressing the social aspects, but even they do or say nothing about the economic stuff.
I can only hope that Warren Ballentine will eventually get more press than Soulja Boy and his $55 million dollar jet. Just my opinion, but there seems to be a confusion of values in the black community based on who the pop heroes are. At the same time, no love for Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell.
josef
August 20th, 2011
9:55 pm
BRUNO
I like RW. I have no desire to offend him and if I have, I want him to understand that no such was intended. I’m not looking for any type of apology either personal or to the class under discussion and the use of the term once applied to them in a negative fashion to describe someone with whom we have issues.
All I said was “think about it.” As far as I am concerned, common sense DID think about it…
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
9:55 pm
Common Sense: I heard that in a joke somewhere!
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:56 pm
Forgotten Messiah: No one has threatened you. What are you on?
Sooth– PLEASE stop feeding the trolls.
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
9:56 pm
Well, folks. I guess I just can’t resist spilling this para-parable. What’s a para-parable? Well, I’m glad you asked. It’s not a parable like the ones that the rebel jew we crucified in order to keep the peace a few years ago told, (the dirty rat).
Honestly, what WAS his problem?
Okay, a para-parable is that quasi-weekly, semi-monthly, bi-annual homily that I feel compelled to share with the body of MAN.
Do you want to hear it or not?
Or would your rather absorb the commercial prattle from RW, BRUNO, AND THE PUBLIC FACILITY THAT THOSE SPURT-MEISTERS END UP IN.
Investigator: Mr President, did you have sex with that woman?
Bill Clinton: That depends on what the meaning of the word GIZ is.
Now look, do you sanctified idiots wanna hear the para-parable or not?
getalife
August 20th, 2011
9:57 pm
That you pf?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
9:57 pm
“Well, she’s a hooker,” he said.
One of my lady co-workers got upset when I explained to her that men don’t pay hookers for the sex. We pay them to leave afterwards.
I mean, how could she be offended by that??
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
9:59 pm
“At the same time, no love for Clarence Thomas or Thomas Sowell.”
That’s why I like you. Like moi, you are impossible to pigeon hole. Maybe a depth of character thing? some here call me a far left liberal, but in reality, I’m as traditional as most of ‘em. Nuclear families? Don’t lay that cosmic debris on me. I know better.
Josef, I don’t share them but I respect your feelings about that character. It is one of the many interactions here that are interesting.
Talk, you can talk, but if you ask me take
All your big words and put them together
What good will they do when the long day is through
Does anybody love you?
Do you think that anybody’s in love with?
You can dress up or dress down as you
Gaze in the mirror, hung up on your body
What good can it be when there’s no one there to see
You’re so lovely, so wise
You could make Venus crawl
But love between the ugly is the most beautiful love of all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPC9sbKwlzM&feature=related
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:01 pm
The lack of hope in getting an education is not confined to the black community. When there are NO entry level jobs available for young people they cannot be completely blamed for having no vision for the future.
When their own parents are being forced to take minimum wage jobs to feed their families and keep a roof over their head who is to blame.
The economy for the last 10 years has sucked. Companies moving jobs overseas and illegal workers taking entry level jobs (or visa holders) taking ALL available jobs for less than the prevailing wages creates a climate of hopelessness for many wage earners.
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:01 pm
josef,
Don’t worry about the peanut gallery.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
10:07 pm
Good night, everyone! Go to your local church, synagogue, temple. Give generously!
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:08 pm
“wanna hear the para-parable or not?”
Sure, why not?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:08 pm
So if I just believe in myself
I won’t need no help from nobody else and I can make it alone
And everything will be cool, I got to keep on keepin’ on
There’s nothing else I can do
Buddy–I used to grouse about having a crappy childhood, but ultimately it taught me that the only person I can really depend on is myself. That tidbit of info has taken me pretty far.
The lack of hope in getting an education is not confined to the black community. When there are NO entry level jobs available for young people they cannot be completely blamed for having no vision for the future.
CS–A lot of the economic osmosis we’re experiencing can’t be helped due to globalization. At the same time, I still have hope for the future, if only based on a faith and optimism in American ingenuity. We just need to get off our fat asses, turn off the TVs, Ipods and video games and get working again.
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
10:08 pm
OR ELSE GET OFF THIS BLOG
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:09 pm
Sure, why not?
I guess asking getalife to stop feeding the trolls would be pointless, else he would starve himself to death in the process.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:10 pm
Bruno – where do young people learn how to work when there aren’t any jobs?
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
10:11 pm
I dont know what God will say about you, TakeMyWife, Please, I think that you sold out too corruptly. But I know that you meant well. Maybe…….naw.
Alright. You asked for it. You really want to know the destiny of you souls vs the destiny of others, I mean, come on, there are six billion folks and some say, 100 billion folks that have lived since adam and eve.
How about that? Where do you fit in, TakeMyWife, Please?
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:11 pm
Bruno,
He or she reminds me of an old blogger that thought he was a comedian too.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:12 pm
We just need to get off our fat asses, turn off the TVs, Ipods and video games and get working again.
——————————
And if we added tariffs to all those products that were imported we might have a few more jobs in the USA
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
10:12 pm
Bruno, I wish you would stop being so good to yourself, kind sir.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
10:13 pm
People! Just read Brosephus’s last comment about the spending power of….forgive me…..blacks.
I would rather be considered insane versus proven to be an asshat. I imagine your goole is broken, so if you actually Googled Black spending power in America, you would come up with these links, for starters. If you opened up your eyes and saw who was buying Air Jordans, X-Boxes, 24′ rims, and other sh*t by the truck load instead of actually investing money in things with a positive return, you’d probably be even less an asshat.
Bruno
That’s the problem with things like that. The stunt that Soulja Boy did garners all kinds of attention, while something that’s actually positive is completely ignored by main stream media. As far as heros, the mere fact that people look for heroes beyond their own homes is a major disaster, in my opinion. Doesn’t matter the race, creed, or national origin.
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
10:13 pm
Me too, brother B. (But not really) But it is part of who we are and that of which we think, feel and believe. Forgiveness is redemption.
Some lame-o earlier ragged on Jay’s recent photo. (And yeah, I too made a Droopy reference.)
Hey, I got news for you clowns, ain’t none of us getting any younger.
The late, great Fogelberg.
And in the face of the beast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMUF0P0IxDw
josef
August 20th, 2011
10:16 pm
Brosephus…
Ssshhhees, Man, you’re topping me in the EOI tonight! Way to go!
If I had any advice as a Jew to give the Black, it would be not to be too successful…the resentment quotient and all that…be docile and grateful for their charity and goodwill…
and
Duk-sha-nee U-ni-lu-tsv-hi
War? With you? The Obrenović-Karađorđević Pig War has already been fought…take your Ustaše kopile dupe to hell…
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:16 pm
I may not be getting younger but I am still getting
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:17 pm
getalife,
I don’t think the new one just sounds like the old one. I’m pretty sure you nailed it and Polly Prepuce has returned.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:18 pm
Duk-sha-nee U-ni-lu-tsv-hi
Bless you or should that be gesundheit LOL
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:20 pm
RW,
Yup.
pf is back.
Where ya been pf?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:21 pm
Bruno – where do young people learn how to work when there aren’t any jobs?
CS–No easy answers here other than to say that business cycles are just that: cycles. And the beautiful part about cycles is that they’re cyclical, so that down will eventually become up again one day. And when that day returns, I can only hope that we Americans will be a little smarter next time and not fritter our money away on houses we can’t afford and big screen TVs we don’t need. It’s already happening to some degree. People are paying off their debt and saving more.
As far as immediate actions, Kyle WIngfield presented a few decent ideas on his blog. Knocking down a bunch of the vacant houses will bring home values back up in the short run.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
10:23 pm
josef
You know I’ve said countless times, I’m just tired of the BS. Nobody’s immune from peddling it, and many seem to thrive on selling it. I’m just tired of having to clean the bottom of my shoe every time I take a step.
josef
August 20th, 2011
10:23 pm
Forgotten…
Be careful, Cuddin JC’s Daddy’s got your number…
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
10:25 pm
Knocking down a bunch of the vacant houses will bring home values back up in the short run.
Who’s gonna foot the bill for that? TPers have officials on every level afraid to spend a dime for anything, even if it will help us out tremendously. Do you expect banks to pay to knock them down and take the full loss on it? I just don’t see that happening. It sounds good on paper and in voice, but I don’t think it’s viable in the real world, at least right now anyway.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:27 pm
And if we added tariffs to all those products that were imported we might have a few more jobs in the USA
CS–That idea is such a loser that I’m not even going to rebut it.
Me too, brother B. (But not really) But it is part of who we are and that of which we think, feel and believe. Forgiveness is redemption.
Count me among the un-redeemed, then. A good dose of anger can take you a long way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts6CKH7Tovs
Where are you, Matti??
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:27 pm
Bruno thinks the gop house will pass something to help Americans.
Now that is funny.
josef
August 20th, 2011
10:28 pm
RW, getalife…
So, that’s who it is…thought I recognized the face, just couldn’t recall the name…
Brosephus…
So, why do we beat our heads against the wall? It feels so good when we stop! Breath and channel your inner Honey Badger…
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:29 pm
How is your wife pf?
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
10:30 pm
josef
My inner Honey Badger is truly an ABM!!! Gotta career to think about. That’s why I keep him on hiatus.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:30 pm
TPers have officials on every level afraid to spend a dime for anything, even if it will help us out tremendously. Do you expect banks to pay to knock them down and take the full loss on it?
Well, it’s already happening around the country, Bro. Municipalities like Detroit are razing abandoned homes, and banks are getting in on the act as well. After a certain point, they’re not going to get anything for the scrapers anyway, so might as well bite the bullet now.
poison pen
August 20th, 2011
10:30 pm
Brosephus
Do you think that the people living in the ( hood ) have it better now than 10 or 20 years ago?
Forgot to address that question. According to research posted here, there’s more cell phones, flat screen tv’s, playstations, x-boxes, and other crap in the homes of those living in poverty today, so yes, I think they have it much better now than they did 10-20 years ago.
Bro, Maybe if they didn’t buy all that crap, and put the money to better use they wouldn’t be living in poverty? Hell, there are avg. people out there who don’t have all that stuff. Just sayin..
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:30 pm
Bruno – Don’t tell me you are one of those that NEED the most current everything even if it’s built offshore.
Where is it required that we NEED the most recent everything to the detriment of the American worker?
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
10:32 pm
See, folks? Another threat.
That’s all they’ve got.
But back to Bro. His defense misses the point entirely, which is why the Right sometimes wins elections. He actually did a 180 on himself. Just read the thread, and you’ll see it.
I’m not going to feed this maggot-friendly anal-fissure. Except to advise you all, kind sirs, that there is a salve, and, in -fact, there are, 24/7, 365 tag-team tincture swabs, who, devote themselves entirely to the good, christian folks like U, who cry out for relief. God knows we wish you the best.
Does anyone wanna hear the para-parable or not? I can sell it, or you can, if you can coax it out of me.
UP2U
Or you can continue to feed the troll BRO and RW who exists only to feed off of you!!! WIth the pretense that they can show you how to make money on the chat room circuit.
Bwa
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:32 pm
Bruno thinks the gop house will pass something to help Americans.
Now that is funny.
Not as funny as believing that the Dems are going to do anything other than print more money to throw at our problems with no realistic expectation of a positive return. At some point, we have to pay the piper for the easy credit and oversupply of houses. I’d rather bite the bullet now than keep extending the problem ad infinitum.
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
10:33 pm
I guess asking getalife to stop feeding the trolls would be pointless, else he would starve himself to death in the process.
I really dig getalife, but that is damn funny. And you both know, unlike some here, I can laugh at myself.
Kyle is a good guy. He was kinda rude to me the first time we interacted and I called him on it. He manned up right away and he was nothing but a class act about it. That meant a lot to me.
He’s smart, engaged and not to the extent of Jay, but he’s engagable.
I have absolutely no idea why this one popped into my noggin…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprItQgRxJ0
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:33 pm
Here’s what I don’t get about cons, you have all this talk about personal responsibility and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, if that were true then why do you blame every damn problem on obama? Let’s face it, if you can make a buck at anything, then you will do it, obama or whomever is the president be damned. I did it during bush, I do it during obama, matters not who is president, I’m clever enough to get it done…just sayin..
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:35 pm
Brother jamvet and brother bruno-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d5gzohHtYk
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:36 pm
Don’t tell me you are one of those that NEED the most current everything even if it’s built offshore.
CS–The only thing I had of value, a nice Nikon camera, was stolen last year when my house was broken into. I’m still getting by with my single 27″ tube TV and my ancient pre-paid cell phone. I won’t even tell you about my couch that my rabbit shewed holes in.
Where is it required that we NEED the most recent everything to the detriment of the American worker?
You’re barking up the wrong tree, CS.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:36 pm
AmVet,
Do you remember Political Fore skin?
Gordon
August 20th, 2011
10:39 pm
300 million people in the United States, and the best we can come up with is Barack Obama and Rick Perry? That is sad.
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
10:42 pm
THere are a handful of insider-references and all the particapants have givin’ themselves away for years.
WE ALL KNOW WHO YOU R.
I call a truce now, because we really do have to wait for IOWA.
Ballots not bullets. That’s my official platform. I wish that the Tea Party was King George and the year was 1776. Then I could form a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
But guess what? :RW nad BRUNO and BRO and all the prolific commenters on this blog, who just never seem to run out or ideas or threats, or god, really, I don’t know what drives these squatters, really.
I simply don’t know about their poll.
But I do know this: They are hacks. They pretend. ME: “Hey, RW? What are you expounding so officiously about?”
RW” “Whaddya Got?”
ME: “But that was a movie line from Marlon Brando.”
Jay Bookman: “Okay, don’t worry, I’ll ban the Forgotten Messiah” You guys and your drool will rule and we will taken over der verlde of course I vill be der fuhrer.”
bwa
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:42 pm
Mick @ 10:35–Beautiful memories in that song. The summer of ‘73 was a big turning point for me. Started buying my own beer and smoked my first joint. Pretty industrious for a 12 year old kid.
This was another big song from that summer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDRd0Z0O4o
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:43 pm
Mick – that makes me want to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame tomorrow. LOL
I haven’t thought of that one in years.
josef
August 20th, 2011
10:43 pm
Well, I’m all for tariffs, ending the shipping of jobs overseas, buying American and all that…but keep your mitts off’n my ipad!
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
10:44 pm
Thanks for the chuckle, Polly.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:45 pm
Gotta love Denny Dias and the Skunkman jamming on that one ^^^^^
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
10:45 pm
Oh yeah, get. But as much or more than anybody else here, I am so disinterested in the ever changing personae.
I realized that that nasty clown this morning was Grand Forks, simply because he used the only slam on my handle that I’ve guffawed at – Shamvet. (He has huge issues; I guess he thinks he’s clever.)
Mick, I had totally forgotten that one. Nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-dBRc1BU1c&feature=fvst
Kamchak
August 20th, 2011
10:47 pm
Does anyone wanna hear the para-parable or not?
Herbie casts one vote for “or not.”
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
10:47 pm
poison pen
If they didn’t buy all that stuff, many stocks wouldn’t be worth crap. You’ve gotta have consumers in a consumption based economy. Otherwise, we all suffer. Think about how much more money would circulate through our economy if the jobs to make that crap were left inside our borders long ago.
Bruno
If the banks are willing to take a major loss now, doesn’t that make them jackasses for not taking minor hits with refinancing, or did banks really make more money by foreclosing on people.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
10:48 pm
Well, pf is not serious about his writing.
He likes to pretend he is a comedian and tries his stuff out on the blog.
He never got along with RW for some reason.
Brosephus
August 20th, 2011
10:51 pm
Past my cut off time. Catch y’all later.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
10:52 pm
bruno – bill cosby and steely dan? Priceless, thanks here’s the first song I ever heard after those first few tokes – blew me away-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOMd7CSt0KU
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
10:52 pm
later Bro
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
10:53 pm
The funny thing is that most people here really do give a ____. I mean, about the country, about our problems. That’s awesome.
What is and What Never Should Be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an1Bv3n_Fq4
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
10:56 pm
300 million people in the United States, and the best we can come up with is Barack Obama and Rick Perry? That is sad.
Gordon–You might like the premise of a movie that a buddy of mine wrote and shot a few years ago. Rather than an actual candidate, the Democrats ran a poster of Kennedy. I appear in the movie as a “Businessman For Christ”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzVVBcmS5So
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
11:01 pm
Very funny, guys.
The Forgotten Messiah.
August 20th, 2011
11:02 pm
I bring up the prison sentence this week handed down to the hacker who froze a major Jap corporation nearly to death.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:03 pm
“The funny thing is that most people here really do give a ____. I mean, about the country, about our problems. That’s awesome.”
We should see more bloggers show up as this race heats up.
Most will spew gop bumper sticker slogans and talking points.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 20th, 2011
11:03 pm
Amvet
here’s one for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:04 pm
Tell you guys what–I’ll put up the clip I appear in, and you can see Bruno with your own eyes. GIve me a minute to find it.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:06 pm
jamvet
Nice, never saw that before, you’re in a zep groove-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJCoUxim2bA
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
11:07 pm
Mick, I too remember associating that record with my very early experiences with getting high and doing psychotropics.
Different branches of the service, but the same groove?
And the Dan was really something. Blew me away from the get go. And you’re right B, a bunch of Fender wailing guys in that vid. And those fantastic dual lead riffs, niiiice.
For my buddy Hilly D…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPocBxeIW9U
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdUR-24KRkY&feature=related
Look at the 2:00 mark.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
11:08 pm
Here’s my favorite video! It starts out kinda slow but really finishes with a bang! Sleep tight! You are well protected!
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:17 pm
bruno
Ok, there are four dudes at the 2:00 mark, which is you?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:19 pm
Ok, there are four dudes at the 2:00 mark, which is you?
You’ll have to guess, Mick.
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
11:19 pm
Scourge is a great word, B. Terribly underused.
Buffett to Zep. Is this place great, or what?
Sense, that wonderful asshole delight reminded me of…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDdqubE7zQ
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:22 pm
bruno
Good call, doesn’t matter to me, we are all kind of like those dj’s out there, we have a mental picture of what each poster must look like just by their words – I’ll stick with that…
jamvet – rare zep-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTZZW0KMgm4
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:25 pm
The movie is a keepsake to me, since all my partying buddies from Atlanta appear in it. Check out the 4:28 mark for a laugh. Unfortunately, my buddy lost his shirt on it. He won some minor film award in Europe for it, and won a cell phone.
Jay
August 20th, 2011
11:28 pm
“Forgotten Messiah” won’t be posting for awhile…
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:29 pm
LOL, just found out you can buy it on amazon.com. It also lists the award Mark won, “Best Non-European Dramatic Feature at the Independent Film Festival 2008 in Paris”
http://www.amazon.com/Vote-Liszt-President-Stephen-Bradbury/dp/B002CMLNZA
It was tons of fun to shoot, we were all partying our butts off.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
11:31 pm
Jay, Hallelujah! Escapees shouldn’t be posting on this blog! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:31 pm
bruno
I’ll have to wait until june of 2012 to see if I made the cut in tom cruise new film “rock of ages”, I was an extra for a whole day. The experience was pretty cool and TC came off as being very humble, he worked his ass off to get the two scenes I was in perfect. All in all, beautiful young chicks in their best 80’s garb, lots of fun but most of the time very boring, nice way to kill and afternoon…
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:32 pm
Jay–Did you know that Bruno was a movie star?? LOL.
BTW, my friend’s mom is Pat Mitchell, bigwig at Turner and former President of PBS. Do you know her??
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
11:34 pm
“You devils steal and pretend that you wrote the amazing lines”
Laughingly, tis sadly true.
B, I know, but I ain’t saying. Twould ruin the fun. And the doobie in need of flame scene was great.
Mick, I think that LZ is still so damn relevant that there keeps popping up all this amazing, never seen/heard sh8t. That’s how badass revolutionary they were.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FRXXsswO0
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:36 pm
Jay – if you noticed, yesterday many jumped over to kyle’s to say howdy to hillbilly. It dawned on me that I really couldn’t get into going there just to create havoc because I disagree with his political take. This linda gal accused you of being the pied piper and us the followers. All I can say is that it’s pretty damn cool to read an opinion columnist that backs his perspective up with facts that I agree with – nothing more, nothing less…
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
11:39 pm
Jay, you may need to take a look at ShazamVet as well. That ain’t the Amvet I know.
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
11:43 pm
You can’t say Polly didn’t predict his most recent ejection. As I’ve stated before and will again in the future, I like Polly and his shtick is a lot sharper than the wannabes that are allowed to attack with impunity. On rare occasions he’s even funny.
ShazamVet
August 20th, 2011
11:45 pm
Sooth, hello?
Just cuz I’m on a back to back drunk, doesn’t me it ain’t me!
Tell me you didn’t love this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcuX0CiXA04
and…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo6zBKMQO7w
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:46 pm
I’ll have to wait until june of 2012 to see if I made the cut in tom cruise new film “rock of ages”
Keep us posted, Mick.
kyle’s to say howdy to hillbilly. It dawned on me that I really couldn’t get into going there just to create havoc because I disagree with his political take.
Jay got mad at me for taking a swipe at Kyle, but I tried to help the man out a while back by suggesting that he become more partisan and inflammatory like Jay. And I meant it sincerely. You have to do something to stand out in the media world these days. McNeil-Lehrer Report just doesn’t cut it any more, unfortunately.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:48 pm
I am sure RW is okay with that Jay.
They go way back.
Mick
August 20th, 2011
11:50 pm
bruno
You are absolutely correct sir, if you are going to be a writer than there should be a passion to your beliefs. That and of course, the talent to write. Here’s a great two chord song-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i7OZUQbprQ
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
11:52 pm
Sorry, Jam-man. Just a little paranoid, I guess.
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:54 pm
thanks here’s the first song I ever heard after those first few tokes – blew me away-
The whole DSOTM album was a heavy favorite back in the day, of course. If I remember correctly, we were listening to some ELO the first time I toked up. See if this one brings back any memories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC02EnshI5U
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
11:54 pm
Soother paranoid???? Say it ain’t so, Joe, say it ain’t so.
getalife
August 20th, 2011
11:54 pm
RW,
I admit a few laughs from pf but he was pretty average on attacks back then.
About the only time he got serious was when he talked about his wife.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
11:56 pm
“Soother paranoid???? Say it ain’t so, Joe, say it ain’t so.”
Amazing isn’t it? Kinda like buildings that fall down for no apparent reason? Huh?
RW-(the original)
August 20th, 2011
11:59 pm
About the only time he got serious was when he talked about his wife.
I always hoped somehow that he wasn’t being truthful about that, but I suspect he was. I sincerely hope she either pulled thorough or is no longer suffering.
Soothsayer
August 20th, 2011
11:59 pm
Look, RW, don’t take it personally, OK? It’s simple economics. You’re company could hire 3 people for the salary they were paying you. Not to mention the cost of your health insurance. I warned you, didn’t I?
Bruno
August 20th, 2011
11:59 pm
facts that I agree with
And therein lies the Greater Truth, Mick. About the only column Jay ever wrote that I agreed with is the one in which he cited a study which showed that people generally start off with foregone conclusions, then look for facts after the fact that support that conclusion. I have no problem admitting that I do that. Somehow I wonder if Jay is honest enough to admit that he does the same thing. He seemed to make some veiled references that it was strictly a conservative habit. I’ll look back to see if I can find that one again.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:01 am
Amazing isn’t it? Kinda like buildings that fall down for no apparent reason? Huh?
See? I rest my case.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
12:02 am
Well, those wild turkeys have just chased me into the sleep zone, thanks for the great stories and tuneage all. I’ll leave you wit dis-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUjcjUF-urU&feature=related
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:03 am
RW: I’ll be on the look out for you at Wal-Mart, OK?
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:04 am
It’s simple economics. You’re company could hire 3 people for the salary they were paying you
Only 3? Geez, if they wanted worthless zombies they could hire way more than 3, but what would be the point?
getalife
August 21st, 2011
12:04 am
RW,
He did not answer me when I asked about her but I think he posted her art.
Comedians are mostly crazy so you never know.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:06 am
RW: I’ll be on the look out for you at Wal-Mart, OK?
I’ve got a few things to pick up there tomorrow. Will you be my greeter?
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:06 am
RW: The ten-year anniversary will be coming up soon. Jay can’t mention a word about for fear of losing his job, but I can. See ya soon!
Mick
August 21st, 2011
12:06 am
bruno@11:59
Yes, I freely admit that about 80% of the time, but I will always challenge myself to be open minded to a well reasoned, logical argument….out
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:08 am
Yeah, RW, laugh it off! We’ll see how funny you are in about 6 months! Don’t forget the Repubs cut off your “extended benefits.”
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:09 am
RW: The ten-year anniversary will be coming up soon. Jay can’t mention a word about for fear of losing his job, but I can. See ya soon!
Are we going to see the “Smirking Chimp Plants the Bombs” video or is it going to more Truther BS?
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:09 am
Yes, a “producer” becomes a “parasite” through no fault of his own! A modern day tragedy!
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:13 am
Yeah, RW, laugh it off! We’ll see how funny you are in about 6 months! Don’t forget the Repubs cut off your “extended benefits.”
We might need a ruling from the self-appointed blog nanny on that one Soother, but you’ll never find me looking for “benefits” from the government, extended or otherwise.
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:16 am
You just keep believing that, OK? Get ready for your new life. The life the people you and your ilk love to cast dispersions on! He that is first now will later be last.
Pomposity has it’s own reward, doesn’t it, RW?
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:21 am
Pomposity has it’s own reward, doesn’t it, RW?
Maybe, but there are a lot better people to turn to for “expert” advice on that one than myself around here.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:23 am
We might need a ruling from the self-appointed blog nanny on that one Soother, but you’ll never find me looking for “benefits” from the government, extended or otherwise.
Did someone call for a ruling here??
Sorry, Sooth, those of us on the front lines of business don’t qualify for unemployment benefits. We do, however, get the privilege of paying in thousands of dollars for our employees, though. Easy enough for Jay and the Lib contingency to call for 99 weeks or more of freebies, though. You guys aren’t paying for it.
Alright, RW, we’re back on the same team temporarily. And if history repeats itself, it will be extremely temporary.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:27 am
““Forgotten Messiah” won’t be posting for awhile…”
Makes me almost believe in a higher power after all.
In addition to Jay, that is.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:27 am
Alright, RW, we’re back on the same team temporarily. And if history repeats itself, it will be extremely temporary.
Actually we’re nearly always on the same page ideologically, we just don’t like each other.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:27 am
Damn, can’t find Jay’s article about looking for facts to support our foregone conclusions. He must have hidden it knowing that I would nail him on it.
I did, however see an article which confirms what I’ve been saying about healthcare: 50% of us only use 3% of healthcare resources, while somewhere around 5% of the population suck up the vast majority of the resources. My numbers may be off, I’m too tired to remember correctly, but the concept stands. That’s why we need a choice, not a mandate.
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:30 am
RW: In all sincere respects, I hope you are able to find something that approaches the position you had before. Many people I know have been successful in doing just that.
Even though we are on different sides of the ideological divide, I sincerely don’t wish evil or hardship on you.
I know that my criticism of you tonight has been harsh and for that I apologize. It’s just that I see this cavalier attitude from the Right regarding the jobless, homeless, and the unemployed. As if it were their fault that they are suffering.
Maybe this experience will be an epiphany for you. Maybe you will change your attitude. I don’t know.
I have suffered for years trying to establish my business. I was dirt-poor while my friends were living it up! But now, many of them are suffering, and I am finally realizing the fruits of my labors.
Good luck to you RW. I hope that you will find success.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:30 am
And I just gotta say, after reading the bulk of the posts after I left here around 7:30 or so, that the majority of you people appear to be stinkin’ blitzed tonight.
Just sayin’!
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:34 am
Actually we’re nearly always on the same page ideologically, we just don’t like each other.
No problem. I do need to get you onto a poker table or golf course one of these days, however, since you’ve got money to burn. I’ll have to bring my Pharaoh Club chips to the Bookman Blog Party.
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:36 am
“the majority of you people appear to be stinkin’ blitzed tonight.”
WTF did you expect, Dave R., it’s Saturday night!
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:39 am
It’s just that I see this cavalier attitude from the Right regarding the jobless, homeless, and the unemployed. As if it were their fault that they are suffering.
And that is where you are dead wrong, Sooth. I think the greater rates of charitable giving by conservatives pretty much disproves your “cavalier attitude” theory. We all want to see everyone doing well. I think the objection you might perceive coming from the Right is the unwillingness to help the scammers, those who refuse to help themselves.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:40 am
Soother,
I appreciate the sentiments of your 12:30 post I guess, but I don’t have the first clue what you mean. I’ve had a successful professional sports career, a successful business career, and am currently running a friend’s business as much or more for the challenge as the check.
I don’t think I’ve mocked the jobless and were I to become one tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eyelash worrying about my next project or undertaking.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:44 am
No problem. I do need to get you onto a poker table or golf course one of these days
I suck at poker since I always expect to get lucky so you better make it both and hope I don’t get lucky with the cards. You’ve got no prayer on the course.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:45 am
I’ve had a successful professional sports career
Holy crap!! You’re Rasheed Wallace??? Who knew???
Wait a minute, I don’t remember Rasheed moonlighting on 96 Rock……
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:45 am
“I think the objection you might perceive coming from the Right is the unwillingness to help the scammers, those who refuse to help themselves.”
See, this is where we disagree, Bruno. I believe that the vast majority of people (99.999%) would prefer to earn an honest living given the opportunity. Are there malingerers? Certainly!
But, shall we use that as the excuse to throw the rest under the bus? Can we accept that things are really tough? And that millions of people are suffering through no fault of their own.
I personally know many people (in the real estate profession and buildgers) who are absolutely destitute. Did they do anything wrong? Did they make bad choices? Think about it.
Is that your excuse for not caring?
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:45 am
You’ve got no prayer on the course.
Sure I do. I cheat.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:48 am
Sure I do. I cheat.
I don’t, so I suppose that explains our differences in a nutshell.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:48 am
I’m not a pro caliber golfer, but I have had the privilege of playing Atlanta’s finest courses due to my career. My personal favorite is Settin’ Down Creek in Alpharetta. Ever play that one?? I’ve also been to East Lake, AAC, etc.
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:50 am
I’ve been to Atlanta Athletic Club. I drove by there once.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:52 am
I don’t, so I suppose that explains our differences in a nutshell.
Nice try, RW. You might ought to stop taking yourself (and others) so seriously. You’re not going to find a more honest person than Bruno, especially when it comes to business. You’re not going to find one person who can say that I cheated them.
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
12:53 am
“and am currently running a friend’s business as much or more for the challenge as the check.”
Make sure you don’t have anything to do with the payroll.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:55 am
Bruno,
I’ve played Augusta National, Pebble Beach, and St. Andrews. Should we leave it there or do you want to know if I’ve played Hard Labor Creek?
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
12:58 am
You’re not going to find one person who can say that I cheated them.
Bruno,
I know how much you love your out of context word games so I’m sure I’ll see a truncated version of this conversation in the future, but I never accused of cheating anyone and I never called you a cheater in general. You did that yourself.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:58 am
Actually, AAC isn’t all that great in my book. There are several public courses which are much better, IMO. Cobblestone in Cobb, Chicopee Woods, and even Towne Lake have more interesting layouts. Another overrated course is White Columns.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:00 am
I’ve played Augusta National
Well, you got me there. I made a few feeble efforts to get out to Augusta National, but couldn’t pull enough strings. Anyone can play Pebble Beach or even St Andrews if you have the cash.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
1:01 am
Make sure you don’t have anything to do with the payroll.
Soother,
Are you sure it isn’t long past your bedtime? What would having “something to do with” payroll matter and do you honestly think I would agree to run a company without having full control of payroll?
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:02 am
but I never accused of cheating anyone and I never called you a cheater in general. You did that yourself.
Perhaps you might acquire more skill at recognizing when someone is being tongue-in-cheek, then. Thus my “taking yourself and others too seriously” comment.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
1:05 am
Is tongue in cheek the same as saying kiss my a$$? We may need another ruling.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:09 am
I think there should be a penalty for people who try “tongue in cheek” without the proper use of an emoticon.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:30 am
RW, there was I guy I used to work with that got to play Augusta National the Monday following the Masters. The pins and tees were still in the same place as they were for the final round. He was like a 2-handicapper and ended up shooting an 85 that day.
Said that the greens were like putting in a bathtub.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:51 am
Well, if RW is a good golfer, then I better challenge him to a limbo dance contest then. I doubt if he would agree to a GO match.
Last man standing, as always:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGeHQxEXi0A
Normal
August 21st, 2011
7:27 am
Happy Sunday to all y’all…
I have to go back and do my…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2XHYKWLGTg
…imatation, but…it was for time and a half yesterday and double time today…gotta love those Unions!
Jack
August 21st, 2011
8:02 am
Letting a Hollywood movie affect one’s judgement does not indicate maturity. It’s akin to Obama impressing voters with his well fitting suits and ability to read prompters correctly.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
8:23 am
normal
Yes, a good american union job where people earn decent wages and benefits, an alien concept to most people in georgia and the south. They would rather slave away and carry water for the corporate thugs and convince themselves its better for them. Tomorrow on the iced tea party-
http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2011/08/tea-party-tim-and-plutocrat-pete/
Mick
August 21st, 2011
8:27 am
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip
Mick
August 21st, 2011
8:34 am
By the way, Good Morning all-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agenYwQrH8U&feature=related
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
8:42 am
Mick – how’s the weather shaping up down there today
carlosgvv
August 21st, 2011
8:51 am
Mick – 8:27
How true. When you tell them they have been brainwashed by Republican and Corporate propaganda, it soon becomes apparent they are not capable of understanding what you are saying. These people are the beloved of the Republicans and Big Business and, unfortunately, they seem to be increasing in number. Dumb and dumber is looking to be the new reality in politics. Forewarned is forearmed.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
9:00 am
carlosgvv
Nobody is “beloved”. We just think it is immoral to steal money from people who have it. I personally think that it is shamedful to play class wrafare.
There have always been haves and havenots. If you are a have not, here’s an idea: work harder. It works.
MightyRighty
August 21st, 2011
9:00 am
Self Destruct? LOL. Obama self destructs every day. He no longer enforces our laws in his desperate attempt to find someone to vote for him. His new energy policy is guaranteed to cost thousands of jobs. Meanwhile, he is laying on the beach. What a loser.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
9:08 am
MightyRighty
They were saying the same thing before they got their spanking in the last election. Black people are turning on Obama. I would say that the canary in the coal mine is dead. Most of the Democrats won’t vote for a Republican, but the turn out is just not going to be there. The Republican turn-out to get the Marxist out of the White House will be huge.
stephen
August 21st, 2011
9:13 am
All collar, no cattle. Think George Bush without the intellect.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
9:17 am
stephen
The intelect that gave him a degree from Harvard and a degree from Yale, or maybe we should have another Al Gore who flunked out of devinity school.
You guys are quick with talking points that you are ill-informed enough to believe. Don’t expect us to swallow the kool-aid.
1811/0311
August 21st, 2011
9:18 am
Bumper Sticker:
“1-20-13 The End of an Error”
MightyRighty
August 21st, 2011
9:44 am
I have been trying to understand why Obama can’t make a decision. I understand his lack of managerial experience may keep him from bring a problem solver and keep him from organizing and achieving goals. But, the decision thing has me puzzeled. Then it hit me. He never had the benefit of a father. No males to teach him how to be a man. His real father abandoned his mother when he was only two years old or less. His mother was more interested in her own education than she was in raising him, so she delegated or abandoned that responsibility to her mother. He never talks about even a grandfather. His mother ran off to Indonesia and apparently remarried. But Obama never talks about his step father either. So it is no wonder he doesn’t know how to take resposibility for his own actions or to be a man. I am not sure of my reasoning but there is definitely something wrong with someone who is afraid to make a decision.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
9:46 am
Obama. Not good at listening.
Harold ford jr, a decent listener. Says Obama needs to stop new regulations.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
9:48 am
Msnbc: no Obama energy plan, which is a problem.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
9:50 am
JM – Good morning to you.
I agree that any new regulations need to stop at least temporarily until the economy recovers some more.
But in the climate in DC what will be the tradeoffs? If Obama is for something you can bet the far right will be against it
Left wing management
August 21st, 2011
9:50 am
retired early: “What baffles me is the attraction the GOP has with candidates who celebrate ignorance while denouncing science…applaud less educated, over the “best educated”.
I think the question this raises kind of answers itself …
Jm
August 21st, 2011
9:52 am
Mighty righty, while I think u have the semblance of a point and a thought worthy of discussion, I think people are not just the product of their parents. They develop their own skills and talents.
In short, Obama may (or may not) have difficulty making decisions and leading. But I wouldn’t hang it entirely on his upbringing. Maybe too much cocaine…..
getalife
August 21st, 2011
9:54 am
The regulations they are talking about are for the banks to collapse the economy again.
We are drilling more than ever so that is a lie.
ford lost his dlc and could lose an election for dog catcher.
Turn off the talking heads because they are full of hot air.
Stick with the facts not corporate spin.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Left wing management
Try to avoid the vague talking points you just posted. Celebrate ignorance? Denouncing science? Applaud less educated? The only people you will convince with that garbage are the bobble heads that can’t think any further than those shallow talking points demonstrate.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Anti common, I don’t entirely disagree with your point
Republicans deserve some blame.
On MR’s point about leadership. I think part of the problem is that the direction Obama wants to lead in a direction different than the admittedly somewhat schizo American public wants to go
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
9:58 am
NoCom
Good question. Seems like many castigate Obama for not making decisions. When he makes decisions, he’s castigated for making them. That dude ain’t gonna ever come out ahead. If he decided to drop corp taxes to zero, people would probably claim he’s doing it to gain votes. Either that, or they’d gripe because he didn’t make it a negative percentage or something.
Meanwhile, we’re beginning upon our lost decade. IF the GOP ends back up in the WH, it’s gonna be interesting as hell to see how they spin the lack of economic growth over that 4 year period. Our economy’s not gonna get better for at least 5-7 years regardless of who’s in office. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to manufacture an economic bounce back.
carlosgvv
August 21st, 2011
10:01 am
Good Little Liberal
I can assure you these dumb and dumber voters are beloved by the Republicans because they will believe anything they are told and will vote for any Republican frontrunner, no matter how incompetent they are. As for “stealing money from people who have it”, all Obama has tried to do is to let Bush’s tax-break laws for the rich expire. This has caused the Republicans to go into spasams of panic since The Rich are their sponsors and furnish them all their funding for elections and re-elections. Naturally, when Republicans tell their simple followers they are just trying to stop Obama from “stealing money from people who have it”, they believe it completely. As for “working harder”, if Corporations would start hiring and not keep piling more and more work on their current employees, maybe the unemployed could start working.
Doggone/GA
August 21st, 2011
10:01 am
“Either that, or they’d gripe because he didn’t make it a negative percentage or something”
And if if did THAT, they’d complain he was spending “government money” the government doesn’t have and increasing the debt.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:02 am
MightyRighty
I agree to a point. His Grandmother was a huge achiever in the bank wher she became the first female VP. He has seen decision making, but he seems to have had a chip on his shoulder since he was a kid. He tried to claim that he was treated badly at Panahou because he was “black” but the reality is that Panahou has been a deverse private school since it’s founding. The Dreams of my Father was about a father with no backbone and who was much more planting human seeds than being a father. His other book was inspired by Wright who was an overt racist.
He is simply the worst of the worst to be elected. He was just Black enough for the DNC who had supported the likes of Robert Byrd back to Orval Forbus to toss into the ring, knowing that he would carry 95% of 30% of the country.
Hopefully we can fix all this next fall.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:04 am
Bro fair point about the economy
But there are things that can be done to help
Obama has done some of them. But maybe only a quarter of them
Boy zakaria is down on the US. Not a huge fan of his
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:04 am
carlosgvv
Again, ill-informed talking points. The Bush tax cuts helped the middle class much more than they helped the rich.
Simple followers? Aren’t you the guy who voted for the candidate that ran under the intelligence insultying mantra of Hope and Change?
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
10:06 am
The latest big mouth, would-be cowboy with no cattle, get’s called out for his sophomoric rhetoric.
Former Treasury official Bruce Bartlett labeled newly-minted Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry “an idiot” Friday.
Bartlett, who served at Treasury under former President George H.W. Bush and as a domestic policy adviser to the late President Ronald Reagan, delivered the choice words to the Texas Gov. in reference to his recent comments about Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.
“I mean, printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treacherous, or treasonous, in my opinion,” Perry said Monday in Iowa. He stood by his comments Tuesday.
A candidate for president of the United States who talks like one of the lunatic fringe bloggers here?
Really??
And he’s your big gun?
My goodmess…
Left wing management
August 21st, 2011
10:07 am
Good little liberal, the crisis we’re in is a political crisis, but also a cultural crisis, with the bankruptcy of the current ruling class clear for all to see. The center right Obama administration — just one face of a coin with GOP on the other side — obviously has no answers. The GOP, even less so.
What does appear to represent something new is Perry and Bachmann, which essentially offers a repeal of the 20th C and a return to the 19th, before there was a broad-based middle class and the social programs of a welfare state. This development threatens to blow the GOP coalition of the past 30 years to bits. As Perry’s comments about Bernanke, and all of Bachmann’s comments on the economy, indicate, these people are fundamentally a threat to global capitalism as we’ve known it. And the GOP can’t have that. If you think George W. exposed cracks in the GOP coalition, a Perry administration will make that look like child’s play.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:09 am
ShazamVet
And Obama, the failure king is your big gun?
There’s no doubt that both paties are offering disappointing candidates, but I’m pretty sure that not having a president for the past three years would have been better than having a complete imbecile in the White House.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
10:10 am
Doggone
Didn’t think about that part of the equation. Fair point there too!!
jm
About the only thing that I see we can do right now is push education and training. Until the flow of money in the private sector thaws, there’s not much else that can be done. The whole tax/budget cut ideology going on right now pretty much negates any type of spending from the government that could possibly aid the government. Simply repealing regulations more than likely would boost the economy right into the next bubble. About the only sensible thing I see we could do is prepare a solid foundation to plant our economy instead of inflating different sectors one at a time.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:11 am
Zakaria is just wrong
MightyRighty
August 21st, 2011
10:11 am
It is hilarious how the same people who blame the poor economy on George Bush, without bothering to take a breath, emphaticly state the President is not responsible for the economy. Talk about schizoprenia. They defend Obama’s horrible economic record by blaming it on a president who, according to their very own strange philosophy couldn’t be the cause. It makes my head swim trying to find some semblence of logic in their agrguments. It must be our educational system.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:14 am
Left wing management
I suppose the big difference in the way Democrats think is that you think in huge generalities, making it possible that terms like “repeal of the 20th C and a return to the 19th”. They want to get rid of cars? Airplanes? Telephones? Can you please point out where they are offering horse and buggy incentives?
Specifics? The people who will accept these vague terms will already vote for Obama. After all, they voted for Hope and Change. The downfall of Obama will be in the hands of people who tend to question those kinds of terms.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:15 am
Bro I disagree to some extent
Reforming the tax code would have a huge benefit
Rightsizing entitlements sous hugely improve the future deficit and debt picture which would be a huge psychological boost short term with commensurate short term, and big long term real benefits
Regulation is more complex. I don’t think there should be a freeze. There should be a rollback of many useless regs and some necessary new ones (some not all on bAnking) should proceed
Left wing management
August 21st, 2011
10:15 am
MightyRighty: “It is hilarious how the same people who blame the poor economy on George Bush, without bothering to take a breath, emphaticly state the President is not responsible for the economy”
When the previous tenants neglected the building and allowed the whole thing to catch on fire, then the new management can be forgiven for still having to wrestle with the fallout 2-3 yrs later. Especially when other buildings in the neighborhood are still struggling to put out continuing fires that threatens the whole neighborhood.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Maybe Perry needs to pray for rain harder so that at least the texans will vote for him
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:17 am
Common Sense isn’t very Common
Maybe Obama should pray for an improved economy. Nothing else he has tried has worked.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
10:17 am
The intelect that gave him a degree from Harvard and a degree from Yale, or maybe we should have another Al Gore who flunked out of devinity school.
now, just look at that statement. just look at it.
pathetic doesn’t even describe this ridiculous comparison.
besides, what would junior have done without daddy’s help getting him in school?
ivy league schools should do away with legacy candidates. especially when they are as dumb as a ton of bricks.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:18 am
Ben stein on CBS. Why anyone puts a guy on TV who said subprime mortgages weren’t a problem as an economic authority that criticizes perry for economic ignorance is beyond me
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
10:19 am
I know Saint Ronnie of the godly policies is way busy helping out the big guy upstairs but Eddie “War on Pornography” Meese is still around to help in this righteous endeavor, correct?
Puritanical little Delaware witches and morality-legislating cons like Michele Wild Eyes think they can pray away the gay AND pray away the spank monkeys too.
Hysterical…
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/21/can-the-burgeoning-christian-crusade-against-pornography-bear-fruit/?hpt=hp_c1
Midori
August 21st, 2011
10:19 am
Rep. Maxine Waters: ‘The tea party can go straight to hell’
you go, girl.
especially when Allen West, Tea Party Darling, had to send his brother to you because he couldn’t find a job.
Where’s all those TP connections, Allen??
MightyRighty
August 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Left wing management
August 21st, 2011
10:15 am
After three years of manageement failure to do anything positive the tenants would fire the idiots that just don’t get it! That is correct solution and it will be implemented.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Midori 10:17 your arrogance is boundless
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:21 am
CBS showing pole dancing
Media has gone in the toilet
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:22 am
Midori
This may come as a huge shock to you, but Daddy Bush wasn’t president when Jr. entered school. In fact, in 1964 when Jr entered Yale, his daddy was an employee of a very Democratic Washington, ran by LBJ and a segragationist Congress. Do you really think that the ultra liberal schools of Yale and Harvard would give an unknown Republican’s son a break.
THINK. Too much to ask?
MightyRighty
August 21st, 2011
10:23 am
Midori’ have you heard from any of Obama’s brothers or ssisters. He has a bunch of them.
Left wing management
August 21st, 2011
10:24 am
GLL, one problem with Perry’s candidacy (unlike say Bachmann, who’s the real deal) is that I don’t personally know how much of his rhetoric to attribute to cynical self-interest and a ploy to get elected vs. how much actually believes this stuff. But the point is that — taking him at his word — his policies of doubling down on free market fundamentalism, elimination of taxes on the wealthy and big corporations, and slashing of regulations, would be disastrous because 1) it’s of limited value even under the best of circumstances, though in some economic situations it can appear to work for a while, and 2) because at the present time in particular it’s a formula for vastly exacerbating our actual economic difficulties, which are due to deflation, lack of consumer demand, sagging real wages, debt overhang, an increasing gap between production and wages brought on be advances in technology — take your pick. But perhaps he can divert attention from this by launching new foreign wars, I don’t know.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
10:24 am
Michele Bachmann: Beware ‘the Soviet Union’
Michele never disappoints.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
10:24 am
common sense
The weather down here is clear, hot, and humid. At least all the sweat keeps the pounds off.
Brosephus
The downright hatred or disliking of obama is so transparent; I agree, five, six, seven more years before all the inventory of homes gets cleared up. All the flipping and flopping of real estate, equity lines, and greedy wall street investment firms with their ponzi financial tools have left the nation bankrupt. Everybody spent like no tomorrow and the cons demand that obama, “fix it” right now. Lest I appear too partisan, this all can be traced back to clinton and bob rubin for disbanding glass/steagull, there’s the root cause…
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:24 am
Midori u live in a sad world of hate and anger
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:26 am
MightyRighty
He has an aunt that lives in Public housing in Chicago. Do you think they invited her to jion them in M V? I’ll bet not.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
10:27 am
This may come as a huge shock to you, but Daddy Bush wasn’t president when Jr. entered school.
I fail to understand what that has to do with remotely ANYTHING I posted?????
“Legacies” are not contingent on one having been president.
RW-(the original)
August 21st, 2011
10:27 am
Dave R,
That Monday after the Masters outing is mostly for the press and they don’t mow the greens that morning. They’re still lightening fast as your friend mentioned but they’re about two feet slower than they were on Sunday. You might not want to tell him that part.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:27 am
Republicans – the current best plan to get our economy moving again unless a better democratic candidate comes along with more intelligence than obama
Midori
August 21st, 2011
10:27 am
Jm,
you’re just sad
getalife
August 21st, 2011
10:28 am
We have to rise above the ignorance and focus on how to recover all the lost jobs .
Tax cuts and regulations is not the answer,
What else you got cons?
Nothing,
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
10:29 am
jm: Reforming the tax code would have a huge benefit
I don’t see that happening because of the “no tax increase” philosophy of many in Congress. Tax reform could go a long way towards getting yearly deficts back under control, probably just as much as many think entitlement reform would. When so many are beholden to the Norquist-no-tax-increase at all mentality, I just don’t see any meaningful tax reform happening.
Entitlement reform would help long term debt and deficit issues, but that is only part of our current problem. The lack of infrastructure to build a sound economic foundation is what’s really hurting us now. We’ve gone through the boom-bust cycle so many times, they almost appear normal when they should not appear that way. Until we regain a solid foundation to base our economy on, we’re gonna keep failing at the whole economy thing.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
10:29 am
Midori’ have you heard from any of Obama’s brothers or ssisters. He has a bunch of them.
more silly and ridiculous “comparisons”
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:30 am
Zakaria touting iran’s economic success
Really? What a rube
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Left wing management
Our country is losing industry like never before. So the two choices are give them incentives to stay or locate here or what? Stick it too them? We have a global economy. Nobody has to stay here. Our labor is extremely expensive. Our tax rates are the second highest in the world. The only advantage of being here is that transporting goods to the largest economy costs relatively little.
So tell us what to do. As I’ve said before: for a Democrat to complain about jobs going overseas is like an abusive husband who can’t figure out why his wife left him.
So what do we do? Please enlighten me as to how abusing the people who make jobs will improve our economy.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
10:33 am
Reforming the tax code when they get unlimited bribes is laughable and will never happen..
Lets get real here people.
How did President Clinton create 23 million jobs?
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:35 am
Midori
“I fail to understand what that has to do with remotely ANYTHING I posted?????”
I know.
Legacies are great for frats and they do tend to get people into school, but to believe that they will get them through school is insane.
Give it up. This “only democrats are smart” is believed only by not-so-smart democrats.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:35 am
Bro 10:29
I know you’re not suggesting tax increases would improve economic growth, which one might read into your post
So let’s talk about this. What u are saying is dems are holding tax reform hostage contingent on getting a tax increase
Yet everyone acknowledges a more efficient tax code, even one that is just revenue neutral for now, would immensely boost growth. So for the sake of people without jobs, why not reform now and push for tax increases later?
The answer is dems view the world thru a class warfare lens, and are playing politics rather than looking out for the interests of citizens
MightyRighty
August 21st, 2011
10:36 am
getalife
August 21st, 2011
10:28 am
We have to rise above the ignorance and focus on how to recover all the lost jobs .
Tax cuts and regulations is not the answer,
What else you got cons?
Nothing,
We are anxiously awaiting your brilliant solution.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
10:36 am
getalife, to your point I think if the Republican faithful were really honest with themselves they would ask the following questions.
Given that supply-side economics, aka “voodoo” Reaganomics, and trickled
ondown have been almost exclusively in effect for the past three decades in this republic:1) Have these policies, including more and more unrestrained corporate power helped or hurt the vast percentage of American families during that time?
2) If not, why not?
3) How will absolute insistence on continuing them and even doubling down on these policies have a different/beneficial impact on those families?
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:37 am
Jm
Being honest about Obama? I think he is smart. That’s what is so troubling. Is this what he really wants? If he is as smart as the democrats claim that he is, is he doing this on purpose. According to both of his books, he is.
Dr. Pangloss
August 21st, 2011
10:38 am
And today in the NY Times we learn that donating to Perry’s campaign can be very profitable.
http://goo.gl/Gj9oU
Mick
August 21st, 2011
10:39 am
gll
How many jobs left the country between 2001-2006? Hundreds of thousands, which party was in charge of the whole shebang-
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsunbound/archives/2009/06/a_lost_decade_f.html
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:39 am
I don’t think obamawants to keep bis job and is subconsciously engaged in economic negligence
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:40 am
Mick
Please be clear. Are you saying that Obama has improved the situation?
getalife
August 21st, 2011
10:41 am
My solution is a congress that will work with our President to create 23 million jobs.
We have done it before and the only reason we can’t do it again is because the gop refuse to work with him.
We have an election to give him a new congress that will work together to create 23 million jobs using the Clinton plan.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:41 am
GLL he’s book smart. He lacks in common sense, historical perspective, and emotional IQ
For starters
Adam
August 21st, 2011
10:43 am
Jm: What have they proposed that will solve the problems of the economy? They have the power to bring such things to a vote, so why haven’t they done so?
Those, by the way, are serious questions meant to open debate over the issues. I know they have ideas out there, and I want to hear which ones you think will work.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:44 am
If Obama would behave like Clinton and embrace republican ideas like welfare reform, entitlement reform, and balancing the budget like Clinton did, then we could have some hope of job creation
But Obama is more liberal and more ideologically rigid
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Interesting that Iran was mentioned.
Republican hawkish internationalism, premised on the failed “chosen war” policies of Bush/Cheney is still rampant.
This military-industrial complex bloodlust is great, isn’t it?
As long as it is somebody else’s kid who gets his head blown off.
It is obvious that these never-learn chickenhawks are just chomping at the bit to horrifically botch another needless invasion and quagmire.
Let’s hear it for regime change!
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:45 am
Jm
I completely agree about the common sense, but if you want to read some seriously trobling stuff, check out his books from the library.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:46 am
ADan 10:43 that wasn’t me
Adam
August 21st, 2011
10:46 am
Jm: republican ideas like welfare reform, entitlement reform, and balancing the budget
Ok, could you be a little more specific? Does entitlement reform count if it’s any idea that reforms it, or does it have to be a specific kind of reform? Same for welfare.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
10:47 am
Jm: If someone is namejacking you please tell Jay. That is annoying to all of us.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:48 am
GLL I don’t need to read his books to know I will vote republican, vie seen enough over the last 2 years or so
There are better and worse republican candidates. I hope we get a good one to elect potus
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:49 am
Msnbc Obama 26% job approval on the economy
No surprise there
Jackie
August 21st, 2011
10:50 am
Gov Perry (R-TX) has moved to the front of the contenders for President. His actual record vs. his stated accomplishments are being reported.
It appears President Obama is welcoming this challenge, while the news further reports the so-called conservatives are now trying to get us to believe that a tax increase is necessary without calling it a tax increase.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:53 am
Adam 10:47 go reread. I didn’t post anything like that in the last hour
I think you’re confused
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
10:53 am
ShazamVet
Obama is welcoming the new candidate? What’s he going to do? Run off and hide amoung the filthy righ in Martha’s Vinyard? Oh wait. That IS what he did.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
10:53 am
I know you’re not suggesting tax increases would improve economic growth, which one might read into your post
So let’s talk about this. What u are saying is dems are holding tax reform hostage contingent on getting a tax increase
No, that’s not what I’m saying. If we simplified the tax code to be revenue neutral, people would still end up with pretty much the same tax liability overall. How is that going to boost anything? If we simply closed loopholes, it would increase revenues. The GOP would have a Grand Mal over any such plan. If we simplified the code and ended up with a net reduction, the Democratic Party would be the party of Grand Mal. Not to mention, the lack of revenue planning was mentioned by S&P in their negative outlook on the US.
That’s why I don’t see any meaningful tax reform happening in the current environment. Many Americans go 1040EZ, so tax reform isn’t really their primary focus. Their primary focus is employment, and that should be everybody’s focus. More jobs means more money circulating in the economy. More jobs means a widening of the tax base of this country. When we get more people back to work, then we should begin to address tax reform, budget reform and other stuff. It’s all for naught when there’s nobody working.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
10:53 am
gll
I’ll be very clear – you are using him as a convenient scapegoat. Think mccain would have done better, honestly? No matter who walked into that job the economy was wrecked and so far both dems and repubs don’t have any feasible answers. If gas were under $2 a gallon (get the speculators out) and the banks started refinancing with 3% loans for 40, 50 years that would help speed up recovery. It must come from the private sector, isn’t that what you guys are always yelping about?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
10:53 am
I’m happy that all the ideas that Clinton used to balance the budget and create jobs were ALL Republican ideas
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:55 am
Jackie perry has a very good jobs record
He does sometimes mouth off like an idiot and I have no idea what he really believes
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
10:55 am
“especially when Allen West, Tea Party Darling, had to send his brother to you because he couldn’t find a job.
Where’s all those TP connections, Allen??”
You know, Midori, you brought this point up a couple of days ago, and I meant to call you out on it then. In short, you’re either misinformed (big surprise there) about the Tea Party, misinformed (again, shocked) about the purpose of a job fair, and/or misinformed about Allen West.
I’m betting all three.
First, there is nothing wrong with Allen West’s brother going to a CBC-sponsored job fair. They aren’t providing government jobs (necessarily) but are providing private companies that are hiring and vehicles by which training can be found to get and keep a job. I fail to see what your issue is with West’s brother attending one of these. Unless you think that the CBC should be discriminating towards people who don’t believe in their policies?
Next, you seem to think that because Allen West is a politician (or a Republican or both) you think that he can, or will, simply call someone up and tell them to give his brother a job. That is NOT how people who believe in individual responsibility do things. Case in point: During various times while I served as commissioner, my wife and daughters were each unemployed. Jobs were available in the county that they were all qualified for. Yet I specifically forbid them (yeah, that’s right – forbid them) from even applying for any job in the county. I didn’t want them to get any favor by being related to me (not that I would have done so, but other dept. heads might have tried to curry favor with my by hiring them), and I didn’t want anyone else thinking they got their job because of connections that didn’t exist.
That is what people of principle do, Midori.
Your hatred of all things Republican blinds you to the reality around you.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:55 am
Gotta go
Out
Adam
August 21st, 2011
10:56 am
Jackie: This whole “Don’t call it a _____” thing is annoying. It allows too much to happen on the messaging side, letting anyone with enough propaganda power to redefine any term to mean whatever they want, a la socialism, marxism, tax increases, stimulus, compromise, infrastructure… Mostly though it seems to be to make any term that is proposed by the opposition a bad word, and for some reason that resonates more than portraying something as good.
Think about it, when is the last time you heard of any GOOD ideas being proposed that weren’t trashed as though the very words used to describe them were vile?
Left wing management
August 21st, 2011
10:57 am
GLL: “Our country is losing industry like never before. So the two choices are give them incentives to stay or locate here or what? Stick it too them? We have a global economy. Nobody has to stay here. Our labor is extremely expensive. Our tax rates are the second highest in the world. The only advantage of being here is that transporting goods to the largest economy costs relatively little.”
There’s no way to attack the problem without a global approach that reframes the way we see the relationship between capital and labor. All else is either moving us towards the barbarism of a right wing solution or is putting off the reckoning that has to come.
“So tell us what to do. As I’ve said before: for a Democrat to complain about jobs going overseas is like an abusive husband who can’t figure out why his wife left him.”
Who’s the Democrat here? Me? Hardly! Not this Democratic party (at least not the national leadership) and certainly not this lobotomized Both Sides Hate Us So We Must Be Doing Something Right Obama administration which frankly deserves all it gets politically speaking for its appalling intellectual and political cowardice.
As for my solutions?
I’ve already mentioned here that a good beginning would be 90% tax rates for top tax brackets.
Now THAT would truly set the table for what we haven’t even been within light years of having up to now: a constructive engagement between the Tea Party right and something approaching a left wing worthy of the name.
But look around you. Do you see anyone in this landscape even remotely approaching such a position?
Adam
August 21st, 2011
10:58 am
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:44 am
If Obama would behave like Clinton and embrace republican ideas like welfare reform, entitlement reform, and balancing the budget like Clinton did, then we could have some hope of job creation
But Obama is more liberal and more ideologically rigid
You didn’t write this? if that is the case, then please tell Jay you are being namejacked.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
10:59 am
Dr. P,
Tom “ethically challenged” Delay, George of the Bungle (nuff said), the slimy, homophobic chairman of the Texas College Republicans, the “Rent to Own Republicans” scandal in Austin, the 2003 gerrymandering scandal, the textbook whitewashing scandal, Texas Youth Commission coverup, assorted other GOP money launderers and now Rick “Traitor!” Perry?
Man they grow ‘em sleazy out there in the Lone Star state.
No wonder Paul, hates the situation there…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:01 am
“We have an election to give him a new congress that will work together to create 23 million jobs using the Clinton plan.”
Oh, so you’re saying we need a Republican House AND Senate and a dot.com bubble?
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:03 am
Mick
Scapegoat? He’s the president. Where do you think that the Buck Stops Here was saying that the buck (blame) stops?
The problem is insecuroty on the part of emplorers. It’s about insecurity in the banks making loans, it’s about insecurity in hiring. We don’t know what this administration is going to do next. If you want to see a depression, re-elect Obama.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
11:05 am
**Yet I specifically forbid them (yeah, that’s right – forbid them) from even applying for any job in the county. I didn’t want them to get any favor by being related to me (not that I would have done so, but other dept. heads might have tried to curry favor with my by hiring them), and I didn’t want anyone else thinking they got their job because of connections that didn’t exist.**
My hats off to you on that dave, you definately aer in a minority of politicians because for most its – “to the victor goes the spoils”, family is usually first in line….
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:05 am
ShazamVet, Texas is pea-sized in the corruption game when compared to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Last three Speakers of the House have been convicted of felonies. Yet none have served a day in jail. Go figure.
Jackie
August 21st, 2011
11:05 am
@Adam
The so-called conservatives have a way to maintain their hold by talking to the low-information voters in a way that uses “bumper sticker” pejoratives.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:06 am
Obama’s Upcoming Economy Speech:
Look for very left ideas. Obama doesn’t want to present ideas that will work. He just wants the Republicans to say no. Perfect framing for his base.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
11:07 am
GLL: The problem with using the phrase “The Buck Stops Here” is the assumption that this means the buck has to START there, be NEGOTIATED there, and THEN stop there. A buck is a bill, not a plan (on paper or otherwise) that is introduced, fully negotiated, and then signed by the president, with no representative involvement except to say yes or no to whatever plan.
The buck (bill) stops at the president’s desk ASSUMING it ever even gets there. Congress has to work together to even get it that far, and it’s not the President’s job to force bills to get onto his desk.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
11:08 am
You know, Midori, you brought this point up a couple of days ago, and I meant to call you out on it then
as usual, you are completely confused.
I learned of this from another’s posting the info on this blog.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:09 am
Adam
the term was first said by Hoover when talking about blame, not a bill.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:11 am
Adam
Look at this logic:
If the president hasn’t had the influence to cause this, how can he have the influence to change it?
Midori
August 21st, 2011
11:11 am
so
it’s good enough for him, but not for his brother?
now I understand.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
11:14 am
GLL: the term was first said by Hoover when talking about blame, not a bill.
No it wasn’t. Where did you get that silly idea from?
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:16 am
I don’t think cons like jm understands it is corporate media using corporate spin.
Their only party is the top 2% and corporations.
That being said, turn it off and think about your country not party or corporate.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
11:17 am
GLL: If the president hasn’t had the influence to cause this, how can he have the influence to change it?
The only influence he has is through speech, signing bills, and whatever power congress lets him have (such as “give us a plan,” as though they have no capability of coming up with a good plan on their own). The question isn’t whether he has influence, but how much influence he has and in what areas. If it’s all in the minds and feelings of those who REALLY can change things, then why are they acting like children and letting the winds of the president’s mood run things?
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
11:18 am
But for the kingpin of Texas related money launders, one has to put at the top of that list the George Bush and former Texas AG John Cornyn fueled Undisputed Master of Republiconmen himself – Jack Abramoff…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:19 am
Oh, and did I mention the wife of a Mass. Congressman convicted of money-laundering that was convicted and didn’t serve a day in jail? The Boston City Councilor and a State Senator convicted of receiving bribes? (sentences pending), the former Senate President who now makes over $200k per year in retirement because he left is Senate seat (at $150k per year) to work as UMass president for three years to bump up his retirement pay another $50k per (whose brother just happens to be an indicted serial killer of 19 people), Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, and the un-convicted (and never tried) manslaughter-er Teddy Kennedy.
And that’s just the surface stuff, ShazamVet.
Oh, and the home of James Michael Curley, who was re-elected Mayor of Boston while sitting in a jail cell and was the author of the phrase, “Vote early, vote often”.
Nope, Texas can’t hold a candle to the Democrats in Massachusetts.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:20 am
The first question from all Americans to pols is how does that help create 23 million jobs like President Clinton.
When they talk about stupid other issues, ask them this simple question.
When they spin it, tell them to answer the question.
corporate media will not so it is up to you.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
11:22 am
For the forever factually challenged, “the buck stops here” was made famous by a man of great courage, who is widely respected – Harry Truman.
And ironic that Herbert Hoover was mentioned – just another in a growing list of pathetically dismal GOP presidents…
Adam
August 21st, 2011
11:22 am
Question: What should Obama do?
Answer: Well the problem is Democrats haven’t passed a budget, you see….
huh? That’s not an answer!
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:24 am
When the gop voted to end Medicare, sure scream at them and then ask them how does that create jobs.
When perry talks about God, ask him how does God create jobs.
When people start asking these question corporate media is irrelevant.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
11:24 am
gll@11:03
Nice dodge, gave you a chart, yet it’s all obama’s fault – for everything. That’s all I was pointing out, it’s more complex than just hanging it all on obama but that’s your conveniant punching bag, carry on..
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:25 am
And Massachusetts was home to Elbridge Gerry, the father of gerrymandered congressional districts designed to keep one party in power.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
11:29 am
“Nice dodge.”
It’s pretty much their only game, Mick.
Cover that thing with some yummy New England red herrings and then dodge, dip, dive, duck, and dodge…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQqkQKde_kU
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:30 am
In case you have not been paying attention to world events, governments are in trouble.
Why?
Jobs.
The younger generation are standing up and asking where are the jobs?
I suggest you join them.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 21st, 2011
11:33 am
Well, I sure am glad people are talking about the economy on here. Now my idea is we need to beat these overseas people at their own game. If they got people that will work for a quarter an hour, we ought to have people that will work for 20 cents a hour. So everybody’s going to have to take a big pay cut if all the rich cos. are going to put their money into creating jobs in this country. Heck, there’s nothing in the Constitution that says people have to live in houses and have air conditioning and all kinds of appliances and such. Let’s start building some mud huts or tepees or something like that. We can call them starter homes. Of course, some people that can’t afford the starter homes will have to live in cardboard boxes and such.
So let’s go back—way, way back—to the way things was even before we had our own country. Heck, back then, we had people that lived in hollow trees.
Right now we’re living too high on the hog. If everybody takes a huge tax cut we can get this country moving again. Of course, there should be exceptions for people that have real hard jobs, like concrete mixers and ditch diggers and beer truck drivers and such. And of course the people with money already can afford mansions and such. But everybody don’t have to have them.
America—let’s go back to roughing it again. It never hurt the Indians. Heck, they just stitched some buffalo skins together and cut some poles and presto! They had a house. Let’s just act like Somalians or people living in the jungle. That’s the Conservative way of doing things.
Have a good Sabbath everybody.
They BOTH suck
August 21st, 2011
11:34 am
Dave R @ 11:01
Or a Dem Congress, Repub Pres, falsely low int rates and a housing bubble…………….. touche
Mick
August 21st, 2011
11:36 am
amvet
Very appropriate and funny…
Redneck
There is some real genius in that post…keep on truckin it…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:37 am
Fine, Both, but getaclue was referencing CLINTON’S record.
I like to be specific when addressing the questioner.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:38 am
Dang it RC,
I should have said decent paying jobs to pay for the higher costs of living.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:38 am
Adam
Sorry. Truman, not Hoover.:
But the explaination was dead on:
The saying “the buck stops here” derives from the slang expression “pass the buck” which means passing the responsibility on to someone else. The latter expression is said to have originated with the game of poker, in which a marker or counter, frequently in frontier days a knife with a buckhorn handle, was used to indicate the person whose turn it was to deal. If the player did not wish to deal he could pass the responsibility by passing the “buck,” as the counter came to be called, to the next player.*
Jm
August 21st, 2011
11:40 am
Bro 10:53 a revenue neutral overhaul of the tax code boosts growth by improving the allocation of resources. Rather than a tax code and economic growth as a result of a manipulated tax code with carveouts for special interests, u get more sustainable growth based on the actually productive industries
Econ 101
@@
August 21st, 2011
11:40 am
Was PoliFore namejacking again?
He’s never left, occasionally enters in a different frame of mind is all.
Catch ‘ya next time, PoliFore.
josef:
PoliFore has a warped sense of humor. I’ve always found him amusing, but then perhaps I’m warped.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:40 am
The buck stops with the President not congress.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:40 am
Adam
the president had total control for two years. It was a disaster.
carlosgvv
August 21st, 2011
11:40 am
Good Little Liberal 10:04
Perhaps you can find some space here to explain to us all how Bush’s tax breaks for the rich “helped the middle class”. Please don’t insult our intelligence by claiming they created jobs, however, since that obviously did not happen. As for Hope and Change, that’s kinda hard to do when a dogma locked Tea Party Congress is more than willing to let our Country go into default rather than let the President suceed in hope and change.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
11:41 am
I think another question the Party of Permanent War gang should ask themselves is, “Will George H. W. Bush be the very last Republican president to not horrifically f&ck up a military campaign?”
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:42 am
Mick
It’s not a dodge to hold the leader of our country responsible for leading our country.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
11:42 am
Adam 10:58 I did write that. I didn’t write the questions u posted earlier
U are seriously confused
U posted 2 different things
The second I did say. The first I didn’t
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:42 am
@@,
Same ole pf.
I am guessing he is a wild looking character in person.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
11:42 am
Let’s make it interesting and start taxing churches LOL
getalife
August 21st, 2011
11:45 am
“the president had total control for two years. It was a disaster.”
Of course, this is a partisan lie.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:45 am
carlosgvv
Bush’s tax cuts didn’t just help the middle class. THEY WERE FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. I am certainly middle class and I pay less taxes under the tax cuts. Do you pay taxes? If you do, that should have never had to be explained to you.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
11:47 am
**It’s not a dodge to hold the leader of our country responsible for leading our country.**
You now are deflecting, this started out with job loss and you pinning it on obama, remember? I think he led our military and got bin laden, that was a campaign promise, yes? So, this is the latest talking point about leadership, fine go with your perspective, I’m not buying….
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
11:49 am
The craven cons will never have any real credibility with anyone outside of their own little circle-jerk until they have an intervention. And manup and acknowledge their role in enabling the recidivist criminals and inveterate liars who left this nation in shambles.
Fact.
Schrodinger's cat
August 21st, 2011
11:51 am
Comon Sense – “Let’s make it interesting and start taxing churches LOL”
_________________________________________________________
and university endowments!
Mick
August 21st, 2011
11:51 am
common sense
Now I see what you were getting at, tropical storm irene, looks like on a direct course to hit south florida. Here we go, its that time of the year when mother nature plays a little bowling game with the east coast. The media frenzy is as bad as the storm in most cases, they all usually miss, we’ll just have to wait and see…
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:51 am
Mick
We need leadership. We need a president that offers ideas that will work, not just get him re-elected.
ShazamVet
Your overt hate is oozing to the serface and it smells.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:54 am
“The craven cons will never have any real credibility with anyone outside of their own little circle-jerk until they have an intervention. And manup and acknowledge their role in enabling the recidivist criminals and inveterate liars who left this nation in shambles.
Fact.”
Opinion. Just sayin’!
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
11:54 am
Jm
August 21st, 2011
10:21 am
CBS showing pole dancing
Media has gone in the toilet
Had you been alive long enough to actually witness this 30-40 years ago, you would probably have a point.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
11:55 am
Oh, and partisan hyperbole as well, ShazamVet.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
11:56 am
Kamchak
Hey Pal, How’s it going?
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
11:56 am
Who’s that knocking at my door? (To the blogger who has been banned repeatedly under numerous names, for being such a wonderful human being here and who would never, ever resort to unprovoked personal insults.)
LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX1RbXhvFIA
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
12:00 pm
ShazamVet
Are you referring to me, hater? Please prove your accusations.
Can’t? Say it ain’t so. But I find it sort of funny that a poster with an all new name but seems to know a percieved history of the blog would complain about another poster posting under other names.
Looks like the stooges are here.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
Kamchak
There’s your sign
Mick
August 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
gll
So your answer for leadership is…..michelle bachmann? uh-huh rick perry? I’m not impressed. “Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know”, cliche# 9 but most appropriate…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
““the president had total control for two years. It was a disaster.”
Of course, this is a partisan lie.”
Of course, if one were to post the oft-repeated link to the lib-generated list of Hope & Downgrade’s ™ “accomplishments” right after the “Of course, this is a partisan lie” comment, one might actually see that there were many so-called legislative wins in his first 2 years that would make the comment about lack of control, well – wrong.
But libs want it both ways. Don’t blame Hope & Downgrade ™ for not having complete control, but list all of his accomplishment that wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t had control.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
Mick
You are not impressed with a Republican? Say it ain’t so. I’m saying this with all the love in my heart, but I’m pretty sure that you are not the person they are trying to impress. Is there anythuing any Republican could do to make you vote for them?
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
Can’t you hear me knockin’?
Drop me down the keys.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
12:05 pm
Oops. dropped the linkee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ8MvnEVCqM
@@
August 21st, 2011
12:08 pm
Getalife:
I think PoliFore is more than an aspiring comic…he’s an aspiring writer, as well.
And not too shabby in my opinion.
I’m outta here.
Good Little Liberal
August 21st, 2011
12:08 pm
The stooges.
Walks into a political debate with simplistic two chord, outdated rock songs posted on YouTube. LOL!!
Have a good day everyone who didn’t sleep until noon.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
gll
Yes, bring back eisenhower or even bush the elder. The crew you have out there now is god awful and so far to the right they’ve landed on the moon…
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
12:12 pm
One of their best, Kam…
(Some of these boys just can’t take a hint.)
And the fun of watching their heads explode is only good for so many chuckles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYYTLJ8YHi4
Midori
August 21st, 2011
12:13 pm
dedicated to GLL: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Republicans-are-Morons/174743845928543?sk=wall
Everyone sees you and your ilk for the jokes that you are.
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
where’s that nailin Palin video when we need it for laughs
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
12:19 pm
Bro 10:53 a revenue neutral overhaul of the tax code boosts growth by improving the allocation of resources.
jm
It sounds fine and good on paper. Do you expect a Congress, this Congress, our Congress to be able to legislate a reformed and streamlined tax code anytime in the near future? This is the same Congress that took a year to deal with the debt ceiling vote, and that vote actually had a defined, drop dead deadline whereas tax code reform has no such limit.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
Walks into a political debate with simplistic two chord, outdated rock songs posted on YouTube.
The most recognizable tune of the post classical/pre-romantic era starts with only two different notes.
Three Gs and an E flat.
1811/0311
August 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
Headline: “Coast Guard struggling to update its aging fleet”
A private cruise line could have had ships up and running in a year or two. It’s the government red tape that makes these endeavors almost impossible.
Maybe we should privatize the Coast Guard ?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-08-21-coast-guard-fleet-upgrade_n.htm
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
Midori, now that’s a hoot.
Remember how George was the butt of endless jokes for his fractured English and Bushisms?
Well, it’s become de rigueur among his spelling and grammar-challenged acolytes…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/sets/72157623594187379/
Jm
August 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
Bro 12:19
I think it’s possible given how dire our economic situation is.
Is it definitely going to happen? No. Possible? Yes
Likely? Don’t know
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
12:28 pm
Note the license plate.
Comedy gold…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/sets/72157623594187379/
Midori
August 21st, 2011
12:30 pm
LOL, AmVet
and it’s evidenced right here
Mick
August 21st, 2011
12:32 pm
scout
It’s been that way forever, the uscg is the forgotten step child of the dept. of transportation. All we’re ever going to get is navy hand me downs, except for ice breakers…
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
12:34 pm
jm
You have far more faith in those jackasses than I do.
carlosgvv
August 21st, 2011
12:34 pm
Good Little Liberal
I am not talking about middle-class tax cuts. I am talking about Bush era tax cuts for the RICH. Obama proposed letting them expire and the Republicans said absolutely not!! If this doesn’t show you where their true loyalities lie, then nothing will.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
You know the libs have lost the argument of ideas when they attack the spelling of the opposition.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
12:37 pm
I propose two more terms for President Clinton after Obama’s second term because we are out of leaders.
When bachmann is considered a serious candidate, this proves my point.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
12:38 pm
GLL: the president had total control for two years. It was a disaster.
No, he didn’t, but never let a good lie die. And keep on going with that pass the buck meaning responsibility and not a bill. That’s what it BECAME, after redefining it, much like redefining socialism and stimulus and compromise….
Adam
August 21st, 2011
12:41 pm
Dave R: If Obama had “total control” then everything he wanted would have happened. TOTAL control is not what he had. But cons want it both ways. Obama is a dictator who forces anything he wants down the throats of Republicans, and yet Republicans are effectively fighting back.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
12:42 pm
w had a gop rubber stamp congress that spent their way to our current disaster.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
12:44 pm
**You know the libs have lost the argument of ideas when they attack the spelling of the opposition.**
No – they are just attacking the spelling of the opposition. Where’s the pride? If you are going to put yourself out there, a simple spell check should be required unless of course you are a simpleton, then…
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
Perhaps you can find some space here to explain to us all how Bush’s tax breaks for the rich “helped the middle class”.
You know, Libs, it’s pretty hard to debate ideas/policies when one side lacks basic honesty and can’t bring themselves to admit historical truths. Per “Bush’s tax breaks for the rich”:
(1) The tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 applied to ALL Americans. Here is a tax table which gives the breakdown:
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
Prior to 1993, there were three tax rates: 15% for the first tier of income, 28% for the second tier of income, and 31% for anything above the second tier of income. Bill Clinton’s “tax increase for the rich” kept the first two tier rates intact, but created two additional tier rates of 36% and 39.6% for the high earners. Fast forward to 2002 following the first round of Bush’s “tax cuts for the rich”, and the first tier rate was subdivided into 10% for the lowest tier of earnings and kept at 15% for the rest of the lowest tier, while the rest of the tax rates were dropped by a measly 1% to 27%, 30%, 35% and 38.6% respectively. At the same time, the Earned Income Credits for the lowest earners were generously raised. As such, from a marginal standpoint, the first round of tax cuts primarily benefited the lower earners. Following the second round of tax cuts in 2003, the 10% and 15% tier rates remained the same, while the higher tier rates were further reduced by approximately 2-3% across the board to 25%, 28%, 33%, and 35% respectively. As such, the highest earners were still being taxed at a higher rate than they were prior to 1993.
(2) In spite of all the rhetoric about the hated “Bush tax cuts for the rich”, the Democratically controlled Congress extended those cuts in December, 2010. Though Jay and the Lib contingency like to make up excuse after excuse as to why they extended the cuts, the fact is that they did. If they were so unacceptable, either chamber of Congress could have voted them down or Obama could have vetoed the bill. Because they didn’t, regardless of the reasoning ( = excuses), they now have become the “Obama tax cuts for the rich.”
As painful as it is for some of you Libs to admit the raw truth, the historical record doesn’t change. So, quit your whining and own the tax cuts, because they are now yours and yours alone.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
Adam, I’d ask you to actually read my post and try to understand the dichotomy between the liberal argument, but understanding of any concept foreign to your belief system is impossible.
Simply put, you cannot make the case that all those so-called legislative accomplishments could have occurred if Hope & Downgrade ™ didn’t have control of Congress for two years.
Well, you can if you’re a lib without any shred of intellectual honesty.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
“w had a gop rubber stamp congress that spent their way to our current disaster.”
So? Does assigning blame for part of this disaster do anything towards getting us out of it?
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
It’s not as if these hyper-numbskull birthers are misspelling six and seven syllable Latin words.
The anti-education crowd cannot correctly spell words that most fourth graders could.
And they expect people to believe that they can put up intelligent arguments?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/4468907149/in/set-72157623594187379
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
And be forewarned, Libs, Jay in particular. I’ll be repeating this post a few times next week so that the full Lib contingency can face the music. I’m looking forward to see what creative excuses Jay and company will come up with to refute the undeniable historical record.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
cons ignore the fact that the gop abused the filibuster rule and stated they will not help our President or country for this election.
There is no intellectual honesty from the partisan cons.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
Maybe we should privatize the Coast Guard ?
Would you privatize the Marine Corps? If not, that was about the dumbest question I’ve ever heard.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:49 pm
Sorry we can’t all live in your “liberals are so much smarter than conservatives” world, Mick.
The smug (and bigoted) superiority simply drips off the liberals on this blog.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
AmVet – you have me in tears here
It’s not as if these hyper-numbskull birthers are misspelling six and seven syllable Latin words.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
“The smug (and bigoted) superiority simply drips off the liberals on this blog.”
Says the most arrogant con partisan on this blog.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
If you guys are going to mince words over the term “man made” when applied to climate change, then I get to mince words over Obama having total control of anything. Obama didn’t have TOTAL control. And he didn’t have CONTROL. That would be Democrats you’re thinking of, the party, not the President. Again, TOTAL control never happened in either case.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
Good to see our President moving left on Medicare and immigration.
He is going to govern without congress and you cons deserve it.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:55 pm
“If you guys are going to mince words over the term “man made” when applied to climate change, then I get to mince words over Obama having total control of anything. Obama didn’t have TOTAL control. And he didn’t have CONTROL. That would be Democrats you’re thinking of, the party, not the President. Again, TOTAL control never happened in either case.”
Adam-speak for “Crap! I lost another argument when facts were brought up!”
Adam
August 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
Dave R: You’re arguing mostly opinion, and you’re incorrect on Obama having control when it comes to the facts.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
Yes, a good american union job where people earn decent wages and benefits, an alien concept to most people in georgia and the south. They would rather slave away and carry water for the corporate thugs and convince themselves its better for them.
My second question today is why are so many of you Libs in favor of unions?? In the end, unions are anti-consumer, because they dramatically raise the cost of goods and services across the board for the benefit of the few. It’s a poorly kept secret that the ridiculously high wages/benefits packages offered to the American auto workers is what led to the decline of the American auto industry. Ditto for the local IBEW, the electrical workers union. And let’s not even get started about the teacher’s unions, who make it nearly impossible to fire demonstrably bad teachers.
Just my opinion, but it seems we pay a high cost in terms of prices and worker quality to keep the unions in business.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
“He is going to govern without congress and you cons deserve it.”
And of course, that would be impossible in our Constitutional Republic form of government.
Someone hasn’t recovered from their Saturday night binge, I see.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:59 pm
The smug (and bigoted) superiority simply drips off the liberals on this blog.
Absolutely, Dave, but I’m pretty much expecting silence when confronted by the cold, hard facts as contained in my 12:45 post. Especially from whiners like carlosgv.
AmVet–You want to take a crack at denying the facts in my 12:45?? You seem to have a deeper hatred for all things Bush than most here.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:00 pm
He already did on immigration dave.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
1:01 pm
One might infer that because I highlighted an SUV from Georgia, that I presume these goofballs are generally southern.
Au contraire.
More Teabonics. This time from the Land of Lincoln…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/4468906425/in/set-72157623594187379
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:02 pm
Bruno,
The majority of Americans are for tax cuts because our government wastes our money.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:06 pm
Adam, there are multiple websites (one of which I believe you may have cited once or twice) out there that are maintained by libs which tout all of Hope & Downgrade’s ™ many so-called “Accomplishments in office”. Note, it doesn’t say “Democrat’s accomplishments in office”, it says “Obama’s”.
Now, you can dance like a prima ballerina all day long on this, but you may not use these accomplishments as being his, then deny they are his when called on the carpet for them (well, YOU can because you’re a hyper-partisan intellectually-bereft lib).
Bottom-line, the Democrats (of which Hope & Downgrade ™ is still a member if I am not mistaken) had control over both houses of Congress for 2 years. No amount of bleating can change that fact. And while some legislation was, indeed, held up by GOP threatened filibusters, Harry Reid had many opportunities to use reconciliation and did not, nor did he even allow votes on certain things to occur in order to minimize his ineffective leadership of the Senate.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:07 pm
Executive orders can only take him so far, getaclue.
If he starts to overdo them, he’s so much toast in 2012.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
1:09 pm
Yes, Obama set some goals and Democrats in Congress went along with those and managed to pass a few of them. That still doesn’t mean “Obama had control” and certainly doesn’t mean “Obama had total control.” The idea that Obama has control or total control is ridiculous, but yet it persists, even in the minds of Republicans who say “give us your plan.”
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
dave,
Your party overreached on Medicare and the debt limit terrorism. They lost us a decade of growth in the did not see it coming global collapse.
Factor these facts in your prediction.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
The majority of Americans are for tax cuts because our government wastes our money.
getalife–Unless you were just name-jacked, that is the most honest post you have ever made. The bottom line is that we’re spending too much money. Defense spending needs to be drastically cut, and our entitlement programs are far too generous. Unfortunately, neither party has the political will to cut out any of the ridiculous spending, especially the Democrats. Obama’s solution to what ails us now has been to create new program after new program which increases spending, not only at the government level, but in the private sector as well through ObamaCare. I’ve done my best to explain in great detail why Obamacare will absolutely raise costs, but I think there may be a few Libs who still cling to the fantasy that increasing the insurance companies’ roles in our lives will somehow magically lower costs.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
It’s a poorly kept secret that the ridiculously high wages/benefits packages offered to the American auto workers is what led to the decline of the American auto industry.
This is only a partial list, but I recall crazy independent candidate H. Ross Perot saying this at the National Press Club in the early 90s
Unions don’t decide where to build the manufacturing plant.
Unions don’t decide who designs the manufacturing plant.
Unions don’t decide what construction company builds the manufacturing plant.
Unions don’t decide where the raw materials come from for the product they are manufacturing.
Unions don’t decide how the raw materials are transported to the manufacturing plant.
Unions don’t decide what product is manufactured.
Unions don’t decide which tools are used to manufacture the product.
Unions don’t decide the specifics of the product.
Unions don’t decide how the product is transported to the market.
Unions don’t decide on which advertising agency is used to market the products.
Unions don’t decide the particular ad campaign created by the ad agency.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
Them church going folks, the same ones who voted for prayer meetings on the front lawn of the capitol, will vote for this over the top Republican…..Heck there may be a prayer meeting to stop Terrorism !
Midori
August 21st, 2011
1:11 pm
and every single thing Obama AND the democrats tried to do to HELP “people” were blocked by the party that has absolutely no clue or inclination to help ANYONE other than their donors.
what has the GOP done since regaining congress?
attacked women, NPR, PBS, the poor (they don’t need no stinking refrigerators), science, unions. but hey – they did vote to rename a couple post offices. oh wait — they are attacking the postal service too.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
Actually Americans like tax cuts because it means they get to keep more money.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
that should be “regaining control of the house”
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
“AmVet–You want to take a crack at denying the facts in my 12:45??”
Why?
I have said innumerable times that I am no economist and that I feel these topics are MUCH too complex and inter-related to be adequately addressed by me.
I’m just pragmatic in the sense that I look around and see the unquestionable truth – the middle class in this country is getting absolutely and relentlessly hammered. While those at the top have enjoyed jawdropping “welfare for the wealthy”. Earned income tax brackets are not the most significant part of the equation. Unless you really do work for a living and have no access to the contrived handouts reserved exclusively for the wealthy..
I’ve posted numerous facts to corroborate that claim. And no one to date has refuted them.
And I didn’t just roll into town, this has happened right before my eyes. Starting pretty much with Reaganomics…
http://underthemountainbunker.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/345.jpg?w=584&h=209
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
So how about it, Libs?? Anyone want to take a crack at refuting the historical facts about Bush’s “tax cut for the rich”, or even Obama’s tax cut for the rich??
If you’re unwilling to do so, then you need to STFU.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
Look…Did anyone see the GOP considering raising taxes……….. WOW……
I guess they waited for wall street to be pissed, then they went along with the thought….. Those Lemmings !
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
Here is another one Bruno.
The majority of Americans are for a smaller government because they waste our money and too involved in our bedrooms.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:13 pm
“Yes, Obama set some goals and Democrats in Congress went along with those and managed to pass a few of them.”
A FEW of them?
http://planetpov.com/2011/02/13/a-short-list-of-pres-obamas-accomplishments/
Re-defining the meaning of the word “few” while at the same time re-defining the meaning of the word “control”, Adam?
Pathetic.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
Please Midori ,,,,, We need to attack another country and forget about folks at home for the GOP to be happy !
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:17 pm
Another overreach by the gop are the attack on American jobs.
They ran on creating jobs but acted to steal them to get our President.
The majority of Americans do not approve of gop terrorist actions.
Their radical position of no compromise loses the Independent votes that decides this election.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
1:17 pm
If you’re unwilling to do so, then you need to STFU.
Could be that we are just not that into you.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
Surely you realize much of the medical stuff was in that mammoth health care law you guys hate so much, don’t you Dave? that’s why when I list some of his accomplishments, I skip over the ones that are from the health care law (well, that and everyone hates it so I focus on other “accomplishments.”
But, if you’re right, and Obama has accomplished so much, then I guess it logically follows that he must have had control, right?
Midori
August 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
if anyone needs to STFU, it’s you.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
The new liberal redefining of words.
When you demand more accountability from government, it is an “attack”.
Got it.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:19 pm
Unless you really do work for a living and have no access to the contrived handouts reserved exclusively for the wealthy.
Am–The facts are laid out in a nice, simple tax table for you. Here is the link again:
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
Please show me any of these mythical “contrived handouts”.
I’m just pragmatic in the sense that I look around and see the unquestionable truth – the middle class in this country is getting absolutely and relentlessly hammered.
There is no doubt that the rich have been becoming richer the past 20-30 years, but I don’t see it as coming at the expense of the middle class. Any objective comparison of our standard of living from say, the 1950s until now, shows that our standard of living is much higher now than ever before in terms of material comforts. The fact that those at the top have experienced an even sharper increase in standard of living than the rest of us doesn’t bother me so much. Also, if it makes you feel any better, the rich have been getting much poorer the last 2 years due to the tanking economy. And that decline hasn’t helped anyone in the middle class as far as I can see.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
Keep flailing, Adam.
I love it when prey wriggles.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
Could be that we are just not that into you.
if anyone needs to STFU, it’s you.
Well, two brilliant responses so far. Especially coming from that self-identified genius Kamchak who claims Mensa membership.
The facts are laid out. Can you refute the facts, or do you only have more insults??
Aquagirl
August 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
My second question today is why are so many of you Libs in favor of unions??
Unions don’t give me a Matthews-like shiver up my leg, but workers have a right to organize. Even (gasp!) government workers.
It’s a common conservative mistake that if you think something should be legal (unions, gay marriage, Sunday liquor sales, etc.) then it’s all about you wanting to get utterly $#!^faced every Sunday to marry your gay pet iguana shop steward.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
Then you have the gop house accomplishments.
They passed partisan crap that the senate laughed at.
Once again, proving how the gop govern.
They can’t govern.
Worst house ever.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
1:24 pm
Hmm so if I mention that people are redefining terms, suddenly I’m the one who’s redefining terms? Interesting. I believe that’s called projection, Dave.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
1:24 pm
Especially coming from that self-identified genius Kamchak who claims Mensa membership.
Nope, never made that claim.
I have been asked several times to apply for membership, but I have always declined.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:26 pm
The majority of Americans are for a smaller government because they waste our money and too involved in our bedrooms.
getalife–I couldn’t agree with you more about the infringement of our personal liberties by so-called conservatives. To me, Rick Perry is the poster child of what is wrong with the Republican Party these days. If they could only return to their TRUE conservative roots, no Democrat would ever be elected again.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
1:29 pm
Oh and as to this: Can you refute the facts, or do you only have more insults??
Not even gonna speculate as to why you erroneously equate rejection with insults.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:29 pm
Hey Bruno..Who was the last real Republican President, cause I can’t remember the real deal.
Please don’t say Regan, cause he wasn’t !
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
I have been asked several times to apply for membership, but I have always declined.
Ok, I stand corrected. You’re simply above applying for membership. I thought you had made reference to attending one of their meetings. Maybe it was Thomas who claimed membership.
At any rate, why are you having such a hard time defending the “Bush tax cut for the rich” mantra which has become a staple of the Left. Maybe because it’s not true?? You can not be “into” me, Bruno, all you want, but the facts stand. And I’ll be around to remind you of those facts from here on out unless Jay bans me because he can’t handle the truth either. I’m still waiting for him to defend his “most racists are conservatives” charge in any meaningful way. He’s admitted in so many words that he can’t, but still won’t retract the charge.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
OK, brother B, here are some “myths” associated with the 2004 tax cuts:
Of the total of $670 billion in cuts, $364 billion, more than half, arises from the elimination of taxation on most corporate dividends.
And which individuals exactly is it that have the gargantuan share of those corporate dividends?
Ain’t me and you.
Another $236 billion in the Bush plan comes from accelerating the tax cuts that were adopted in 2001 and scheduled to be phased in gradually over the next seven years. These include cuts in income tax rates and inheritance taxes that, again, largely benefit the rich.
Not exclusively, but LARGELY.
Confirmed by the tables you linked.
Another $575 billion was for relief of the Adjusted Minimum Tax, which at the time affected only high-income taxpayers. But would begin to hit large sections of the middle class within a decade.
Face it, he with the gold makes the rules…
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
If you want to look at facts, look at the gop actions after they lost.
They played politics after a global collapse and united to bail out the banks only.
They attacked American jobs to lose thousands more “to get our President.”
They used terrorism on the debt limit and stopped the jobs being added by our President.
Their strategy was to derail our economy for this election.
These gop actions are boarder line treason.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:31 pm
And they voted to end Medicare.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:32 pm
but workers have a right to organize. Even (gasp!) government workers.
Not denying that, Aquagirl. Just pointing out that unions are ultimately anti-consumer. Do you agree or disagree with that?? I’ve never proposed making unions illegal, though I think the recent changes in how unions can become voted in show a bias on the part of the Dems toward unions.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Forget the Bush tax cut myths……. Bus was the only President in the history of the US, that cut taxes and started a war.
So why was he the ONLY President to ever do that ? Cause he is DUMB !
Adam
August 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
I disagree unions are ultimately anti-consumer. That assumes 1) that corporations are PRO consumer, which many are not, just pro-bottom line, and 2) that people who are in unions are not consumers themselves.
Soothsayer
August 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
On January 12, 2003, the state of Georgia passed strong anti-fraud laws drafted by consumer advocates. Four days later, Standard & Poor announced that if Georgia passed anti-fraud penalties for corrupt mortgage brokers and lenders, packaging [into mortgage-backed securities] including such debts could not be given AAA ratings.
Because of the state’s new Fair Lending Act, S&P said that it would no longer allow mortgage loans originated in Georgia to be placed in mortgage securities that it rated. Moody’s and Fitch soon followed with similar warnings.
It was a critical blow. S&P’s move meant Georgia lenders would have no access to the securitization money machine; they would either have to keep the loans they made on their own books, or sell them one by one to other institutions. In turn, they made it clear to the public that there would be fewer mortgages funded, dashing “the dream” of homeownership.
The message was that only bank loans free of legal threat against dishonest behavior were deemed legally risk-free for buyers of securities backed by predatory or fraudulent mortgages. The risk in question was that state agencies would reduce or even nullify payments being extracted by crooked real estate brokers, appraisers and bankers.
Friends, if you think this whole S&P “downgrade” is anything but a wholesale rip-off of the American public and taxpayers, you should read this article. If you can’t take the time to read it now, bookmark it for later. Warning, you may this article enraging.
By the way, this is not a Left or Right issue. I encourage my friends on the Right to read it also.
I’m out for the rest of the day — got things to do.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
Unions are great for the American worker.
The gop are at war with the American worker so they attack the unions.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
Bruno….. Unions are not anti-consumer, they try to protect the rights of workers.
We have today on the Republican Blog Kyle goofball, stating the minimum wage should be lowered, that way business will hire…..as if folks bills are getting cheaper.
The GOP and guys like KYLE are exactly why Unions are in place….. I guess some think table scraps are ok for Human beings to live on, while the FAT RICH, gorge on anything they want.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
This is only a partial list, but I recall crazy independent candidate H. Ross Perot saying this at the National Press Club in the early 90s
I thought you weren’t into answering my questions, Kamchak?? Or does that excuse only apply when you have no intelligent rebuttal. I’m not absolving the management of our car companies in any way, but at an estimated $72 or more per hour per worker, how is that sustainable?? Do you make $72 per hour?? I don’t, and I’ve got far more education, experience, etc. than any auto worker that I know.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
Ok, I stand corrected. You’re simply above applying for membership.
Or below.
Or maybe I’m merely not a “joiner.”
And I’ll be around to remind you of those facts from here on out unless Jay bans me because he can’t handle the truth either.
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that you are the first to post this talking point.
This is posted and replied to at least twice a week.
The president compromised on this issue for UI benefits.
Most liberals are still p*ssed off about it also.
Peter
August 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
The real issue is the GOP has never ever figured out a way to pay for the George Bush Wars……thus they screwed the American people, and the people do understand that !
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
ShazamVet@12:28 pm
I think I recognize the woman in the picture. If so she ain’t faking being a member of DENSA.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
1:45 pm
I thought you weren’t into answering my questions, Kamchak??
You are questioning your own thoughts?
Or does that excuse only apply when you have no intelligent rebuttal.
No Bruno, that was a flip response on my part to what has become a very tiresome, “why don’t you libs respond to the Obama tax cuts” meme.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:49 pm
Of the total of $670 billion in cuts, $364 billion, more than half, arises from the elimination of taxation on most corporate dividends.
And which individuals exactly is it that have the gargantuan share of those corporate dividends?
Am–You’ve stated several times that you utilize an S-corp primarily for tax reasons. As an individual, dividing income into “individual earnings” and “corporate earnings” can result in a net tax decrease due to a reduced FICA tax. But, in the end, you still only pay taxes ONCE for the dollars you bring in.
Shifting the focus onto publicly held corporations, it’s a different story altogether. Corporate profits are ultimately taxed twice, first at the corporate level, then at the individual level via taxes on salaries and capital gains taxes. How is this “fair”??
Aquagirl
August 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Just pointing out that unions are ultimately anti-consumer.
That’s only if you’re assuming companies are pro-consumer. They’re not, they’re pro-profit. Sure, unions can push the price of goods higher. However, if you look at places like Wal-Mart, we end up paying for employees children through Peachcare while waxing lyrically about how we can buy their plastic crap for amazingly cheap prices. I’d rather pay the true cost of an item, rather than have a company take all the profit while using workers like disposable commodities.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
Bruno….. Unions are not anti-consumer, they try to protect the rights of workers.
That’s funny. Peter. I thought that’s what OSHA laws, Child Labor Laws, Equal Employment Opportunity laws, etc. were for. What laws have unions passed that protect anyone?? They exist only to pressure employers into paying out more. Perhaps a noble goal, but ultimately anti-consumer because they raise the final price of the product or service involved.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
cons don’t want to debate the facts because they lose.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
dave r bruno
Talk about smug and condescending, dave r you take the cake on that?
Yeah bruno, you forgot to mention that obama made a deal to continue unemployment benefits and not raise the tax rate. Those tax rates prior to the two bush tax cuts were more equitable for everyone, look what has happened to the deficit this past decade?
As far a unions go, you always go with the worst scenerio. My dad raised nine kids as a union plumber and we all had dental and health benefits. Every job he ever ran was finished on time and under budget and you could throw away the chipping hammer because he was a mechanic and engineer who knew his math, so when he laid out a job, that’s where the pipes went. Thank god we have union mechanics servicing those jets or else they would be falling out of the sky like dead flies. In conclusion, roll back to clinton rates and don’t stereotype all unions, I rest my case…
Streetracer
August 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
Bruno @ 1:49 – Taxing corporate profits twice has got to be “FAIR” cause it is other people’s money.
Matti's Sunday
August 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
Hey Bruno!
Um.. thanks for putting this one in my head.. Haha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIw9waVI-m8
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
This is posted and replied to at least twice a week. The president compromised on this issue for UI benefits.
As stated above, Kamchak, I’m not interested in “explanations” ( = excuses). Obama campaigned on repealing the misnamed “Bush tax cuts for the rich”, then turned around and extended them.
Most liberals are still p*ssed off about it also.
Then I’m sure you will have no problems agreeing with the new name for them, the “Obama tax cuts for the rich”. That is even though they primarily benefit the middle and lower class.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
“Thank god we have union mechanics servicing those jets or else they would be falling out of the sky like dead flies.”
Ah. The “fear” card being played.
Typical.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
Um.. thanks for putting this one in my head.. Haha!
Matti–You know that you’re the only one for me, at least on the blog.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
B, the point about the the elimination of taxation on most corporate dividends is that virtually the entire benefit from that measure was reaped by those who individually own large blocks of stock—the top 1 percent of American society.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
Liberal economist Jeffrey Sachs on msnbc says Obama not leading and given financial crisis Obama should not be on vacation
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
Back at ya, gorgeous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWwHN3V8cYU
“I want you, but I want you to want me too.”
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
History shows unions fight for the American worker.
The gop fight for corporations and have failed to union bust.
citizen united gave corporations unlimited bribes to union bust.
They still failed.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
It’s always amusing to me that the most hysterical, posts that are trying to insult me are always posted after I say that I am leaving.
Really brave there libs.
Kamchak
Yes, Pal, three notes followed by credenzas that would completely stump 99% of the “musicians” that you guys post as having the talent to actually make a contribution.
If you would really want to discuss classical music, please lets do sometime when you don’t see that I have left.
Back to work.
So please libs, go. Let’s see your most hysterical postings. Nothing gives a liberal courage like knowing that the opposition won’t be there to answer.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
Shazamvet – how about end the corporate tax, and make all capital gains and dividend taxes equal to the income tax rate?
Common Sense isn't very Common
August 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
Matti – I loved the ten years ago reference LOL.
If we could only go back those 10 LONG years
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
dave r
Since you have a “fear” of flying anyway, what does it matter to you? The only thing typical is that you cannot engage your conversations in a civil manner. Still, as I’ve said before, I respect your service, you walked the walk, how many armchair pols here could even mount a campaign, never the less get elected? That’s a nice feather in your cap, I know I’m not wearing one..
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
Look, are unions all bad? No. They, like all too many others in this world do things for power, not necessarily for the benefit of their members. Do they have too much power? Absolutely yes.
Are corporations all bad? No. Unless of course, you believe the uber-left partisans on this blog who don’t have working brains. But they also do some things for power (especially gaming the tax code) instead of doing what is right for the country.
The issue is that our government (who also wants power) simply pays too much attention to the fringes and not enough on the center. If government would stop enabling power to both, and therefore reduce their power over the individual, this nation would recover and prosper like no other.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
BTW, I love the facebook page of more hysterical liberals to prove that conservatives are dumb. Yep hysterical liberals proving that other hysterical liberals are right. LOL!!
it’s like a comedy routine except I keep thinking that these losers that post that kind of nonsense on facebook are allowed to vote.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
Alright, Libs, you’re off the hook for now, rescued by Matti. One brief overture from her, even if only a back-handed insult, changes my anger into good feelings.
Love ya, beautiful
Catch you all later.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
jm,
How do you get the gop house to vote yes on anything to help get the President a deal.
Turn off corporate media.
And you just might find a clue.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Where’s obama’s energy plan? Where is obama’s jobs plan?
Matti's Sunday
August 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Answer: Solidarnosc!
Question: What was a trade union that broke the COMMUNIST hold on the oppressed people of Poland, leading to a freer, more democratic society with opportunity and prosperity for a long-repressed people?
Comments: Poland’s oppressive, tyrannical, communist government tried to destroy the union, but that could never happen here, could it? I mean, freedom-loving American government officials would never try to use the law to prevent people from exercising their free will to band together and stand up for themselves, right?
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
Epic Marvin Gaye, B.
The lost decade?
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYiahoYfPGk
and…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFqxiQa74PQ
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
Mick, do not equate my refusal to fly as a fear of flying. In an earlier corporate incarnation I averaged 100k miles per year for over 8 years, so fear is not my issue.
I simply will never submit to what I consider unreasonable and un-Constitutional searches and seizures as demanded by an incompetent government overreacting to a specific threat.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:15 pm
bruno
What happened? No retort? Declare yourself the winner, take your marbles and go home? that makes me-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
jm,
energy plan tabled like his job plan will be tabled.
Which part of the gop house will not vote yes on anything do you not understand?
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
As stated above, Kamchak, I’m not interested in “explanations” ( = excuses).
Oh please.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
[...]
You know, Libs, it’s pretty hard to debate ideas/policies when one side lacks basic honesty and can’t bring themselves to admit historical truths. Per “Bush’s tax breaks for the rich”
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
And be forewarned, Libs, Jay in particular. I’ll be repeating this post a few times next week so that the full Lib contingency can face the music. I’m looking forward to see what creative excuses Jay and company will come up with to refute the undeniable historical record.
One more time, this has been posted and replied to time and time again.
You’re just getting all poutragey to satisfy some basic need of yours to be poutraged.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
BTW, Mick, I also was halfway to gaining my private pilot’s license before becoming engaged and the money ran out in favor of a house.
I soloed in August of 1987.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
**I simply will never submit to what I consider unreasonable and un-Constitutional searches and seizures as demanded by an incompetent government overreacting to a specific threat.**
I couldn’t agree more, but when I need to get to vegas or denver, I play the game, jump through the hoops and notice at least a dozen different ways I could defeat that farce…
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
Midori’s 1:18 more rude liberal blather
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
Mick–Your points were already answered in other posts.
But who cares at this point?? Matti is here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_riUhKoed0
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
Nolife 2:17 got a link for those Obama plans? Got a link for the senate budget?
Thought not.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
dave r
Soloed? that’s great, then this will be for you someday-
http://www.terrafugia.com/aircraft.html
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
If you would really want to discuss classical music, please lets do sometime when you don’t see that I have left.
The classical era?
Meh.
But I don’t despise it like I do the Impressionists.
I’m more of a Baroque kinda guy.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
**Mick–Your points were already answered in other posts.**
Weak, brother bruno, weak but alas cupids got your head all twisted in knots..yeah mon
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
jm,
You think your precious party is perfect so you ignore facts.
I will ignore you like everybody else.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
I simply will never submit to what I consider unreasonable and un-Constitutional searches and seizures as demanded by an incompetent government overreacting to a specific threat.
Dave–And I’ve stated as much as well. Bob Barr put up an article a while ago drawing attention to the fact that the TSA and Homeland Security now feel entitled to stop and search anyone, anywhere with no reason given. Scary stuff.
http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2011/07/15/mission-creep-at-tsa-accelerates/
BTW, on my recent flight, those crack TSA agents confiscated my shaving cream. One more shaving cream terrorist plot foiled.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
Nolife I have no party, fail, go fish
U whine to jay so much I Would think u would bug off already
Fly a kite dude
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:29 pm
jm,
You are living proof that corporate media rots your brain.
Watch a movie, a race, football or other sports.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:29 pm
Btw talking heads seem to think palin getting in
I don’t think she would win. But god forbid if she did, I would have to puke and then go vote for Obama. Palin won’t be the nominee though so I can stop sweating that.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Good grief.
This guy is addicted to corporate talking heads.
Turn it off jm.
Can you or do you need an intervention?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Mick, that’s kewl. One of these days, maybe.
THIS is the plane I always wanted to own.
http://www.airventuremuseum.org/collection/aircraft/Rutan%20VariEze%20Prototype.asp
Built properly, you could pull back on the stick forever and never stall the thing.
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:33 pm
I like Brett baier. Hardball question for rove about republican obstructionism and abstinence about tax increases
Fox, more unbiased than u think, and less biased than msnbc
Msnbc is Fox, only on commie steroids
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
2:33 pm
That entire LP is fantastic, B.
Kind of TR-like in that it was so fused experimental and radio-unfriendly, it got nowhere near the notoriety it should have.
Neil Schon and Greg Rollie were both contributors, and then founded this little band…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjRYUNYws8E&feature=related
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Nolife lay off the pot. Worse for you than Sunday talk shows
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
dave r
That’s a really cool design, pretty amazing times we live in, I just couldn’t fathom a 15th century existence, damn we are all lucky in that sense…
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
“Fox, more unbiased than u think, and less biased than msnbc
Msnbc is Fox, only on commie steroids”
Weed will help you.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
jm
Fill up your tank today and take care of business before the frenzy begins, just watch how the media will be taking over and freaking people out, get ready…
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
“…commie…”?
Joseph McCarthy, still alive and well, nearly sixty years on…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYX4peMHdMY
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
Evan bayh, good guy. Doesn’t fit in the rapidly spendthrift democratic party anymore
Matti's Sunday
August 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
GREAT Santana, thanks!
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:40 pm
Lets not enable the addict jm.
Lets stage an intervention for the poor guy.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:40 pm
Burt and Dick Rutan were years ahead of everyone else in aircraft design, Mick.
One or both of them designed the Virgin Airways space plane that won the X-prize.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
How much for the plane dave?
Jm
August 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
Nolife get some help
Gotta go. Nolife, no more than one bong hit per hour, ok….
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
My second question today is why are so many of you Libs in favor of unions?? In the end, unions are anti-consumer, because they dramatically raise the cost of goods and services across the board for the benefit of the few.
Gotta call false start on that one, bruh. Unions are made up of the very people who buy the sh*t they make. You’re claiming that the end consumer is anti-consumer. Only in an upside down world. Your statement on wages and benefits could be applied to CEO’s and exec level management too, so be careful when painting with that brush. Those funds for those golden parachutes and perks don’t just magically appear at the end of a rainbow.
Guess I’m a Lib since I’m left of you, but for me, unions are no different for the average worker than the corporate boards are for senior exec level workers. They’re both fighting to maximize the benefits for the people they represent. Who do you think has a much broader impact on a consumer based economy:
A) 100,000 workers averaging $70k a year who pretty much live paycheck to paycheck spending almost every dime just to live
B) 100 workers averaging $500k a year who pretty much invest at least half of their income, save 1/4th and spend the rest.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
jm,
Good for you.
Turn it off and go do something.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
KAmchak
Not much of a fan of Early or Middle baroque, but I do like Vavaldi. The Four Seasons is a little overplayed and several of his operas were much more influential than his concertos.
Of course Bach changed music more than any other baroque artist, in fact, he actually changed the structure of music by defining the tempered scale.
But the actual term baroque is a bit of a cop out. It defines European Music that spans 150 years and involves many different styles.
The term classical has long defined music that was composed for orchestra and / or opera. I presume that your problem with my use of the term is from the term “Classical Era” which of course followed the baroque era.
As far as your use of the term “impressionists”, it was a style that appeared DURING the classical era. So Pal, be careful when you talk about things that you obviously know little about.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
dave r
I really wish I could get up enough gonads to hang glide, its on the bucket list and san diego is the place, always feel better over water…
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
getalife, it’s a build your own kind of design, largely made of foam and fiberglass.
I’ve seen resales from $25k to 445k based on the model / age.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
Ooops, make that $45k, not $445K
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:46 pm
“Clinton ruined whatever respect for our oval office had survived Nixon. ”
Lie.
She is the reason other countries elected women leaders.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
BTW, on my recent flight, those crack TSA agents confiscated my shaving cream. One more shaving cream terrorist plot foiled.
Something seems pretty silly to those without an unobstructed view of the entire playing field. I don’t see everything, but I know enough to not try to belittle people who get paid $27k to be human bomb detectors with little to no protection at all.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
Mick, I learned early on that you need to respect the laws of aerodynamics in order to fly, but once in the air you need to ignore them every once in a while in order to appreciate the act.
The day my instructor told me to keep the plane running following touch and go’s and got out and said “You’re on your own – do some more”, was one of the happiest days of my life.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Matti, Midori
My cousin in jersey writes a weekly column which sometimes can be quite bawdy. I though this one was pretty clever-
http://momtomomcolumns.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=16
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
As far as your use of the term “impressionists”, it was a style that appeared DURING the classical era.
Actually it was during the Romance era.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:55 pm
Kind of TR-like in that it was so fused experimental and radio-unfriendly, it got nowhere near the notoriety it should have.
Most of the great albums don’t sell as well as the “pop” ones. The fact that Britney Spears has outsold Santana is a little hard to rationalize.
Neil Schon and Greg Rollie were both contributors, and then founded this little band…
Of course, it took the addition of Steve Perry to put them on the charts as well. Santana stated in an interview that he cried after how beautifully Neil Schon played on “Caravanserai”, both for the craftsmanship that he displayed, but also for the fact that he knew that Neil would have to leave him soon and strike out on his own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24D28H2KNho
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
2:56 pm
Some Journey for you, beautiful ^^^^
Please don’t laugh at me.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
Oval office respect?
Bush Campaign Pledges To Restore Honor And Dignity To White House
During the year and a half that I covered George W. Bush’s 2000 presidential campaign, I must have heard his stump speech a thousand times. The lines changed little over the months, and the ending almost never changed — Bush would raise his hand, as if taking an oath, and promise to restore honor and dignity to the White House.
He also vowed to restore civility to the poisonous atmosphere of the nation’s capital, declaring at a GOP fundraiser in April 2000 that “it’s time to clean up the toxic environment in Washington, D.C.”
Who knew by “clean up” he meant he was gonna use overflowing septic tanks?
The Onion had a great take on the empty suit’s empty talk…
http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-2004-campaign-pledges-to-restore-honor-and-di,1085/
getalife
August 21st, 2011
2:58 pm
Mick,
She is funny.
Are you Italian?
Mick
August 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
get
I’m a mediterranean irishman…
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
I know enough to not try to belittle people who get paid $27k to be human bomb detectors with little to no protection at all.
Bro–Sorry if it seems like I’m singling out those at the bottom of the food chain. I fully realize that the TSA agents don’t set policy. Other than a few minor confiscations, I’ve been treated fairly well at the airport. If you knew my Jersey background a little more in detail, you’d understand my anti-cop sentiments. Never had to do any time, fortunately, but saw the inside of a few police stations in my day.
Those funds for those golden parachutes and perks don’t just magically appear at the end of a rainbow.
Not defending the corporate welfare at the top, of course. My corporation is a corporation of one. My “salary” is based on what I produce, not on what someone votes for me. I believe that Brother Am is in the same boat.
Matti's Sunday
August 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
Mick,
Haha! Enjoyed and related to your cousin’s blog! I actually did say “Are you effing kidding me?” to my child in response to the booklet from the middle school that was used in their alleged “sex education” unit of health class. Uhhh… there was truly no content therein that constituted education.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
That’s funny. Peter. I thought that’s what OSHA laws, Child Labor Laws, Equal Employment Opportunity laws, etc. were for.
ahhhhhhhhhhh
now I see
govt. is needed after all, huh?
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
What are you selling Bruno in your corporation of one?
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Bruno
Sounded like you were kicking the bottom of the totem pole w/TSA. If that wasn’t your intent, then, that’s my bad. I spent time there myself, so I know how people feel on both sides of those metal detectors. I also read and study up on anti-terrorism related things. If you or anyone else think our aviation system or any other part of our country no longer has a bullseye attached, that’s a big, big mistake. I have no problem with you being anti-cop, even though that’s my line of work. I only ask that you kick the shins of those who deserve to be kicked.
As far as corporations, your corp and/or the other small corps that exist probably have no chance of becoming unionized unless you deal directly with union affilitated business. Most of the organization goes on with the big guys, and it’s exactly the big guys that have pushed the huge discrepancies in wages over the past 30 years. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the stagnation of wages of the lil guy also coincides with the reduction in union membership along with the increase in union busting.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
each and EVERY one of jm’s posts– nothing but blather
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
What are you selling Bruno in your corporation of one?
I’m in the healing biz, getalife.
Mick
August 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
By the way, after having worked on several high rise construction sites, people that crticize osha don’t know what they are frigging talking about. They mandate so many safety precautions that just happen to save lives, construction is dangerous, I know. We complain about the regulations, the contractors complain, but the minimal expense can’t equal one saved life…
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:13 pm
Bruno,
I could use some healing.
Midori,
jm is addicted to talking heads.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:15 pm
govt. is needed after all, huh?
Midori–No reasonable person would ever argue otherwise. I hope that you can see through the sometimes intentional hyperbole coming from the Right regarding the necessity for basic government functions. And the sometimes unintentional hypocrisy from many on the Right who think the government has any place in our bedrooms and living rooms. It should be one or the other, in my book. Call me whatever names you wish, but at least I’m consistent in my views.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
I could use some healing.
We all can, brother. (small “b”)
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
No reasonable person would ever argue otherwise.
You have quite a few unreasonable people arguing on behalf of conservative principles then. Not to mention, the current leader in polling is one of the biggest hypocrites of them all.
Just sayin’
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
BTW, Brother Brosephus (capital “B”), can you relate to how a beautiful woman can soothe the savage beast in us?? I’ve been on my knees begging Matti for a date for years now, but in her superior wisdom, she keeps turning me down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjtOzLfebgY
Midori
August 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
Mick – your cousin is a pip!!
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
You have quite a few unreasonable people arguing on behalf of conservative principles then.
You might have to factor in the phenomenon that blogs tend to attract the mentally unbalanced. Myself included.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
Bruno
A beautiful woman is to man what kryptonite is to Superman. You can take that one to the bank.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. ~Grover Norquist, Conservative Political Action Conference in February 2010.
And why not? When you run one of the shadow organizations that launders money for Jack Abramoff, the government probably does get in the way. Eventually…
Corporate-crybaby
A bit wiser and a whole lot older, feelin’ bolder
Suckin’ up to the last stockholder with a
Golden parachute slung over your shoulder
Land of opportunity, this is the land of opportunity
Stop
Don’t quit your day job
Cowboy-politician
Suckin’ up to the aristocracy
Not even sure if you like democracy
Tryin’ to establish an american royalty, a personal dynasty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8fOgWbsjY
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
what kryptonite is to Superman
Well, kinda. All except the “Man of Steel” part. If I ever think about how hot Matti is, it’s pure steel all the way, baby!! No viagra needed !!!
Matti's Sunday
August 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
Stop it.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
You might have to factor in the phenomenon that blogs tend to attract the mentally unbalanced.
It’s just not limited to the blogosphere in my opinion. When you have a group of elected officials with the mindset of some of the TPers, who were more than willing to tank the debt limit increase, that’s cause for a pause. I know the political game pretty well with all the posturing, double speak, and back room deals. We’re beginning to witness a new group who have been fed, from the time they were young, that government is the problem and the only way to solve it is to get the government out of the way. I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’re only beginning to see the start of that rhetoric of the past being put into actual plan, even if it’s to the detriment of the country as a whole.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
I have been with hundreds of women because the first thing I tell them is I am a a**hole that will probably cheat on you. Bruno blew it by begging.
They think they can change me and I am a challenge.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:29 pm
Kamchak
“Actually it was during the Romance era.”
I’ll give you that one, Pal. While classical involved a couple of centuries, the Romance era did include the impressionist style.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
We’re beginning to witness a new group who have been fed, from the time they were young, that government is the problem and the only way to solve it is to get the government out of the way.
It was thirty years ago when St. Ronnie-of-the-Ray-Gun hypocritically pushed forward that mind-set, so we have a generation that believes it.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
Brosephus, I’m calling BS on that last comment.
There is NO elected official on this planet that will say that government isn’t needed.
NONE.
It is the scope and cost of that government that is in question, and nothing else.
carlosgvv
August 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
Bruno
Obama proposes that we all share the burden. He proposed letting the Bush-era tax cuts for the RICH expire. The Republicans said no way they would let that happen and they were willing to let our Nation go into default rather than let these tax cuts expire. No amount of wind-bag gyrations on your part can stop us from seeing the Republicans as they really are – bought and paid for tools of Big Business.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
Bruno
Begging never works. It may get you a single date, but they lose respect for you when you beg. After all, if they require you to beg, is that really who you want?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
“I have been with hundreds of women ”
Inflatables do NOT count as women.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
I have been with hundreds of women because the first thing I tell them is I am a a**hole that will probably cheat on you. Bruno blew it by begging. They think they can change me and I am a challenge.
I probably can’t claim hundred(s) as in the plural form, but I’ve done ok. Fortunately, there are a small percentage of women who like the shy, sensitive type. I will agree that being “edgy” works better, but I yam what I yam.
Stop it.
Sorry, Matti.
Better run before I get in trouble.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
“Obama proposes that we all share the burden.”
No he doesn’t. I have seen no proposal out there that changes the tax rates so that those who do not pay income taxes today suddenly do.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
carlosgvv
You still don’t get the “tax cut for the rich” garbage. We all got the tax cut. At least all of us who actually pay taxes. Bush didn’t exclude the rich, but we all got the break.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
Swampy nowhere man
Even when we are discussing a shared interest, you are rather noisome.
Bored now.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
dave,
Inflatables are creepy.
I prefer the real thing.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
Kamchak
I have a hard time believing that you share the same musical interests as me. While you may occasionally listen to it, I’ve played most of it . . . Pal. Big difference.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
It is the scope and cost of that government that is in question, and nothing else.
Then why the broad generic belief that “government is the problem” instead of promoting the size and/or cost is the problem? YOU may be able to discern the message within the message, but many of the bumper sticker reciting crowd probably don’t know the difference.
While no elected official will come out forthright and state that, they have no problem stoking that belief amongst their followers.
*I take your BS and plant flowers.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
I have seen no proposal out there that changes the tax rates so that those who do not pay income taxes today suddenly do.
Simply letting the Bush tax sale end would pull between 10%-20% more back from the zero tax liability list.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
Obama proposes that we all share the burden. He proposed letting the Bush-era tax cuts for the RICH expire.
Oh, so in your world, letting the “RICH” pay more = all of us sharing the burden. You come across as one, super-confused guy, carlosgv. Try thinking things through a little better before making obviously goof-ball statements like that.
The Republicans said no way they would let that happen and they were willing to let our Nation go into default rather than let these tax cuts expire.
Obviously, you’ve never played any poker before. Jay was having a good time keeping score as to who was going to “blink” first until his side caved. I don’t know of any sane person who actually believed that a deal wouldn’t be struck. And because the Republicans were the only ones who actually HAD a plan, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that that was the one that was going to be adopted. But hey, now the Dems can claim that they were “forced” into the compromise, and that it’s the mean ol’ Republican’s fault. Which will play well to the Liberal base, but not so well to anyone who actually thinks for themselves.
No amount of wind-bag gyrations on your part can stop us from seeing the Republicans as they really are – bought and paid for tools of Big Business.
In case you missed it, your guy just signed into law the biggest giveaway in history to Big Business. It’s called Obamacare.
Tell you what, carlos, if you ever have anything intelligent to say, I will answer you into the future. In the meantime, I’m putting you on the ignore list as not being worth the effort to even type a response. All you have is emotion, with no facts to back your position up.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
And BTW, carlos, do you even see the difference between campaign rhetoric and reality. Obama and the Democratically controlled Congress renewed those hated Bush tax cuts in December. So, from here on out, they will be known as the Obama tax cuts.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
“Then why the broad generic belief that “government is the problem” instead of promoting the size and/or cost is the problem?”
Because it is both the overall problem and the size and scope. Do you really want politicians to have to speak longer just to cross every T and dot every I in their speeches?
“YOU may be able to discern the message within the message, but many of the bumper sticker reciting crowd probably don’t know the difference.”
And I believe that you do not give enough credit to the “bumper-sticker crowd”, but rather, stick to the “conservatives are too stupid” meme of some of your liberal brethren.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
In the meantime, I’m putting you on the ignore list…
Oh great, another list maker.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
No amount of wind-bag gyrations on your part can stop us from seeing the Republicans as they really are – bought and paid for tools of Big Business.
99% of our political system, on the fed level, could probably meet the definition of bought and paid for by big business. It has nothing to do with left/right dynamics at all. Campaigns cost money.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
Begging never works. It may get you a single date, but they lose respect for you when you beg. After all, if they require you to beg, is that really who you want?
GLL–Solid advice, but sometimes desire gets in the way of common sense. At least for me.
BTW, you need to change your verbiage and stories a little more if I’m not to believe that you’re not TOJ from the old W2W blog. No problem, though, I still like you either way.
Jwanya
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
Inflatables are creepy.
Actually YOU are creepy.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
Bruno
” if you ever have anything intelligent to say, I will answer you into the future. In the meantime, I’m putting you on the ignore list as not being worth the effort to even type a response. All you have is emotion, with no facts to back your position up.”
You just negated conversations with 90% of the liberal posters here. Once you start asking for logic, reason and an absence of emotion, you have dramatically cut back on the people with whom you will be able to converse.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
To suggest that the poor need to “share the burden” by increasing THEIR tax rates, while ignoring the tax rates on the top 2%, is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, let’s just take from the poor. I mean, after all, it’s the poor that owe us, right? Since they CHOSE to be there and nearly all of them “have” refrigerators so they must not really be “poor” and are just mooching off the government and PERFECTLY CONTENT to stay there.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
The gop “plans” would never pass the senate so they did not have a plan.
The default debacle was one of the most disgusting punts I have ever seen.
Government is not the problem.
Corrupt congress is the problem.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Dave R: Do you really want politicians to have to speak longer just to cross every T and dot every I in their speeches?
Yes. Then they could just say “I already answered that last week.” And then they could get to work.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Do you really want politicians to have to speak longer just to cross every T and dot every I in their speeches?
YEP!!! Truth in advertising is all I’m asking for. If you’re gonna give me the royal screw, give me a head’s up so I can at least brace myself. The bumper sticker crowd proves themselves time and time again. There’s factions on both the left and the right, so it’s not my intent to try to say “conservatives are too stupid”. If that’s really what I thought, I’d have no problem with saying that outright. I think there’s too many that fall for the “red meat” regurgitations from politicians instead of actually calling pols to the carpet for “promises” and such.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
Oh great, another list maker.
Says the man who stated a little while ago that he wasn’t answering my questions because he “wasn’t into me”. Cute icon, though.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Bruno
Desire is a biggy. I played for a private party last night. Cripes at the hot women. Skinny jeans and red heels. I can’t get it out of my mind. For that one I would have probably begged.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
Brosephus
How would you feel about all politicians only serving one term and going home, including the POTUS?
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
“Actually YOU are creepy.”
Have we met?
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
Gll
If they’re voted out, not a problem in the world. I don’t think enacting term limits beyond what’s already in place will change our quality of politicians at all. There’s much better things I think we could do to make our quality of pols much better without doing that.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Bruno
You are having a remarkable string of unoriginality today. Just like you aren’t the only one to whinge about, “but libs aren’t addressing the Obama tax-cuts” meme, you are not the first to announce they have a list of who they won’t converse with. If you post that list at least three times a day giving the exact reasons why you will not address each poster here, then you will begin to catch up with what went before you.
BTW I only hinted that the reason I wouldn’t address the Obama tax cut nonsense cold be that I wasn’t into you. Nothing definitive.
I’d still buy you a beer though.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
Brosephus
I disagree. Obama started campaigning last year. Bush and every president since Truman did the same thing. Being the president is hard enough You said earlier that big business runs the government, but maybe that would change if they didn’t have lifers like Fat Teddy to keep pushing money onto.
There is a ruling class in this country that think they are above everyone and it ain’t big business. It’s life-long politicians. I think it would also give us better leaders. Politicians are like beauty queens. All smiles, no substance.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
“To suggest that the poor need to “share the burden” by increasing THEIR tax rates, while ignoring the tax rates on the top 2%, is absolutely ridiculous.”
And let’s review for the factually-challenged on this blog:
Did anyone actually make that suggestion?
Answer: No. Once again, the yappy little tea-cup poodle is projecting his beliefs in another lame effort to make a valid point.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Term limits are needed because Americans will elect the same people that collapsed the economy.
Over and over and over, etc…..
congress policing themselves is idiotic.
Abusing the filibuster and holding our economy hostage needs to be changed..
Campaign reform could eliminate corruption .
congress can’t be trusted to change themselves so we probably need a commission.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
Damn
Make that “could be”
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
Another typical Braves win. Dominant pitching and great leather…
Yeah, baby…
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
Gll
Try this one out. Remove the need for early campaigning by removing the need to raise money. I’m talking about 100% public funded campaigns with no outside money at all. Limit the campaign season to 90 days for primaries and 60 days for the general election. Out of a 4 year cycle for an incumbent president seeking re-election that limits his campaign time to 5 months of his 48 month term, or around 10% of his time in office. For a Senator, it would come out even less than 10%, and for an incumbent House member it would be around 20%.
Public funding only would remove the need to raise money. By setting a limit on the funds, it also requires the candidate to have to effectively budget his time and money to actually get elected. If someone can’t budget 5 months and a set budget, I don’t want them to have unfettered access to my tax money.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Good thing you didn’t say dominant leather, ShazamVet.
Then we’d know you were as creepy as getaclue. . . .
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
Brosephus @ 4:14.
No.
Fails the Constitutionality issue of protecting political free speech.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
I like it Bro.
You got to run.
Dave,
I guess you are the sock puppet that posted that.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
Fails the Constitutionality issue of protecting political free speech.
How?
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
Dave R: It is a valid point that attacking the poor as though they are not poor, is what REAL class warfare is. Yes, there is a push to tax the rich a little more. The push to tax the poor a little more is NOT something that should even be considered. You don’t want taxes raised on the rich, fine, let’s have a serious debate, instead of the propaganda machine attacking the poor and saying they TOO have to share the burden, when the burden of surviving is already heavily on their shoulders.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Brosephus @ 4:20p: How?
One man’s money laundering is another man’s free speech, apparently.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Gotta run for a few, but I’m interested in the how part Dave…
Be back later
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Brosephus
Hmmm. That’s not bad. It would definitely help people like Herman Cain. Everybody likes him except the people with the money.
Limiting the season would work until the first bill would come up to extend it. The whole thing would need to be treated as an amendment or Congress would slice it to ribbons in a very few years.
Getalife actually said something pretty smart when he said that allowing Congress to police itself was crazy, but a commission is not the answer. You know the big problems came with TV. It will probably be the end of the country. 300 years from now, the Kennedy-Nixon televised debate will probably be seen as the turning point of America.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
Term limits are needed because Americans will elect the same people that collapsed the economy.
Re-election rates among U.S. Reps and Senators looks to be in the 80% range, so when I hear about term limits, it’s usually talk about someone elses congress critter.
Campaign finance reform would be a more effective silver bullet solution.
But just like term limits, campaign finance reform has to be voted on by the very people that it would effect.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
Well, all you creepy men who have to brag about the number of ‘hot women’ , etc. etc. etc. the real men are out playing baseball. THE BRAVES WON AGAIN!!!!! Another one to nothng but oh so good!!! A fine Sunday afternoon and all’s well that ends well. Yes sir!!!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Adam, instead of jumping into a conversation you know nothing about (difficult given your level of understanding on many issues), why don’t you go back to the beginning on the thread?
carlos said that Hope & Downgrade ™ wanted everyone to share the burden, which prompted my response that said that there were no proposals to make everyone that currently do not pay income taxes pay some.
Which is true. There are none.
Which shows that carlos’ statement is false. And if Hope & Downgrade ™ said it, it makes THAT statement false as well.
Now, please go back to bothering someone who gives a f*ck what you think.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Adam
It depends on your definition of “poor”. Have your home given to you along with all your food and a monthly check is not poor. If you are a baby factory and the government can’t keep up with your loins, you can become poor.
I agree that when people are working like dogs and not living as well as welfare recipients, a kind of class warfare can result.
But poor is living in fear of losing whatever small home you have. Poor is worried about your next meal. Poor is running out of options. We have a lot of that in our country right now but the accepted view of “poor” in this country is not poor.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Dave R: If you don’t like my opinions, you don’t have to read or respond to them.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Dusty
Talking about the hot women we saw, but didn’t even meet is hardly bragging.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Brosephus, because the SCOTUS has already ruled in multiple instances that you can go too far in limiting a person’s right to “speak” politically through their donations to a candidate. Public financing without the ability for an individual to contribute according to their beliefs would limit their political free speech.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
GLL: But poor is living in fear of losing whatever small home you have. Poor is worried about your next meal. Poor is running out of options
There are a lot of people that fit that description. 1 in 6, in fact.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
I have to negate your stupidity somehow, Adam.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
Dave R: The SCOTUS also ruled that segregation was ok, once upon a time. If the SCOTUS makes a ruling, it’s not the end of it. It can still be challenged again.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
There are 4.3 million Americans who earn between $50,000 and $100,000 per year who pay NO federal income tax.
None.
There are another 485,000 Americans who earn between $100,000 and $500,000 per year who pay NO federal income tax.
None.
And there are yet another 18,000 Americans who earn $500,000 or more per year who pay NO federal income tax.
None.
Yet all I ever read here are those suddenly fiscal cons (hat tip getalife) that b*tch endlessly about the poor schmucks making $29K per year.
Must be more of their moral equivalence. Or is it compassionate conservatism?
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
And also, good luck negating that which does not exist. You also back people who do the same.
Doggone/GA
August 21st, 2011
4:38 pm
“If the SCOTUS makes a ruling, it’s not the end of it”
And even if we’re stuck with living with it…that doesn’t mean it was a good decision, and it doesn’t mean we all have to agree with it.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:40 pm
Must be more of their moral equivalence. Or is it compassionate conservatism?
Meh, it’s poverty envy.
Plays into the victim-hood mentality.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:41 pm
Adam
No. One out of six live below a specific income level, but most of them don’t have to worry about losing their homes and feeding their children. That’s done by the government. A lower middle class family head of the household loses their job and do not know how to play the system. They can easily lose everything they have.
If I were to lose my business and my income, I would have no idea how to get assistance. What office issues EMT? Do you know? I don’t. How do I get housing? A monthly check? I have no idea. I guess I would learn quickly, but since the kids are gone, I would probably just fight and get back on my feet.
That’s the difference, Adam. I know a couple of millionaires that have lost everything and they are millionaires again. They just think differently than other people. They never even consider anything but success.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
OK, let’s all put down the stones and spears and get busy. Just remember: anything said here has already been said hundreds of times. So relax. And let us SHARE!!
Right now, I am all packed ready to go to Martha’s Vineyard and share vacation time. MY folks will let me know how things are going in.. errr.. Tucker and I shall be fully aware of all problems. I shall return next Saturday fully refreshed and sharp as a tack!! Woohoo, I would even settle for Tybee Island right now. That’s what a hot summer will do for you…Vacation envy!!!
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
dave,
The sc is corrupt and part of the problem too.
I don’t think anything will change until we collapse.
That is what you cons want anyway.
pogo
August 21st, 2011
4:43 pm
I don’t much think the geezers on Jay’s blog here are going to like Obamacare very much. Up to this point you have pretty much had complete freedom as to your doctor and your treatment. That is about to change in 2013. It is about to get much worse for the geezers.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:43 pm
Dusty,
daffy is history so scream some patriotism for this glorious victory for our country before you go.
Quittsac Hatrack
August 21st, 2011
4:46 pm
Rick Perry & M. Bachmann? really? Good luck with that.
You couldn’t have read that headline in the Onion even 5 years ago.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
4:46 pm
I know a couple of millionaires that have lost everything and they are millionaires again.
Isn’t it amazing how some posters seem to know millionaires and also happen to have seen the welfare queens…. and seem to have a personal “experience” that just happens to fit what “point” they happen to be blogivating.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
ShazamVet
I agree with your numbers, but why do you think that is? We don’t need tax increases, we need to close the tax loopholes. But closing loopholes does not inspire class warfare. The democrats, much like their predecessors like Maximilien Robespierre, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot need class warfare. That’s why it is so much garbage to hear about tax hikes being the answer.
The rates are high enough. Close the loopholes.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
Keep Up
When you finally move out of your Mom’s basement, you too will encounter real people and have real life experiences.
pogo
August 21st, 2011
4:50 pm
Dusty, you better think twice about the Tybee Island thing. They have a “bacteria” problem (kind of like Martha’s Vineyard, only one much smaller and one hell of a lot less costly).
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
“Dave R: The SCOTUS also ruled that segregation was ok, once upon a time.”
OMFG! You’re going to use the “they ruled 150 years ago” argument? Really? How about Roe v. Wade? I thought that was “settled” law. Should THAT be overturned because some people don’t like it?
Sorry Adam, but just because you don’t like things doesn’t mean they get to be reviewed again. There is too much “settled” law in regards to political free speech to change that direction.
Certain principles are not up for debate, Adam. Political free speech is one that the courts almost always rule on the side of caution in attempts to limit.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
Nice infintile insult GLL…. mom’s basement…. how original….
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
GLL,
If that’s not bragging, then its envy.
——————
getalife,
You have said that before.
———————-
ScamVet,
You have said that before. .
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:53 pm
Dusty
I’ve been to both Martha’s Vineyard and Tybee. I would take Tybee. For one thing the ocean isn’t freezing cold in the middle of July.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
POGO,
They have nicer germs at Martha’s Vineyard than Tybee. Since Martha’s is a bit crowded at the moment (!) I now consider Hilton Head!! Only one shark bite there last week!
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
Keep Up
With you, who needs originality? You come here taking innocent comments and attempt to make them a very personal insult. You are very different than the adults on here and very similar to children I have known who leech off their parents.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
GLL, don’t tell me, I’ve been blowing that horn for a long time.
Tell those intransigent nitwits that run the GOP.
On second thoughts, don’t. You’ll be excommunicated. (grin)
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
Dusty
Envy of the guy who is taking them home? Absolutely. Envy of the woman? No. Just admiration.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:59 pm
GLL,
Freezing sounds real good at the moment. I was just kidding about Martha’s. Not a single invitation from there!! Amazing!! I told ‘em I’d bring my own secret service (all 5 of them if necessary) but no luck!!!
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:00 pm
ShazamVet
It ain’t just the GOP. Its the government. How many years have the Democrats held total power in your lifetime? Did you see tax loopholes being closed? I don’t think so.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
5:00 pm
Dang.
Still no patriotism for Dusty.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
Right GLL…. just like those welfare queens you witnessed awhile back.. credibility is something you lack.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:02 pm
GLL: No, one out of six don’t just live below a certain amount of income, one out of six are defined as “hungry.”
Midori
August 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
WTF is going on here?
is this the Playboy Forum??
you guys are a trip
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
Dusty
it’s not like I was staying at the Vineyard. We drove over just to see what the big deal was. It’s a little like St Simons where all the beaches are private. Couldn’t find a Walmart anywhere. I think that any liberal who claim that its conservatives that are the rich snobs should be sent to Martha’s Vineyard with a dead car battery and make them try to get a boost.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
The Dems are complicit in the r@pe of the middle class, no doubt whatsoever.
But which party *now* has an ironclad, inviolable “rule” that NO increases of any kind will be tolerated?
I don’t think so, I know so.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
GLL, when I was growing up, we had 2 months maximum to enjoy the waters off the MA and NH coasts, and even then your swim time was measured in 5-10 minute intervals before your feet started turning blue. Brrrrr!
But there were plenty of video game and fried seafood places to spend the time warming up the blocks of ice our feet became.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
Sorry Adam, but just because you don’t like things doesn’t mean they get to be reviewed again.
Not me personally, no, but if enough people want something to change, it will. The justices don’t live forever, even though they get to keep their chairs until death.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
Yet all I ever read here are those suddenly fiscal cons (hat tip getalife) that b*tch endlessly about the poor schmucks making $29K per year.
and these same miserable freeloaders have THE NERVE to own tvs, refrigerators and air conditioners!!!!!
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:05 pm
As for Roe v Wade, we could effectively outlaw abortion IF every child that is born is taken care of from conception through age 18, rape is no more, and incest is no more. Well, except for death of the mother I suppose, and other things….
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
Keep Up
Again, I don’t argue with tantrum throwing children in their own little fantasy world.
Thulsa Doom
August 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
GLL,
What makes you think he’ll EVER move out of Mom’s basement?
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
getalife,
You said that already.
———————
Midori,
I tried to chaperon here but they ran wild anyway..
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:07 pm
Midori: I would be willing to bet the majority of poor households don’t actually OWN the refrigerators or air conditioners they use. The TV would probably be all they “own,” and you can actually dumpster dive for TVs.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:07 pm
Adam
I would need to see that stat and also who is defining them as “hungry”. Most food stamp recipients are considered hungry and that’s one thing that they ain’t.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
Come on Dusty.
Just one sentence of patriotism.
You can do it.
You did it everyday for w.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
Thulsa Doom
Maybe Mom will run him off. Wouldn’t you?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
5:09 pm
Sorry, Adam, but the founding principles of the Bill of Rights are nearly inviolate to every Supreme Court. Sure, they’ll tinker around the edges on one or another, but they are nearly steadfast in protecting speech.
And principles are also not measured by how many people want them to change. That’s why they’re called principles.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
Midori
29K a year is well over 2 grand a month. That’s not poverty.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
GLL: http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunger-america/story?id=14342629
I will admit, however, that the first sentence makes me wonder about the editing, and what is actually being said. So I could be wrong about what 1 in 6 actually represents.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
Refrigerators? How dare they have those!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
GLL chicken….. tick, tick, tick
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
GLL
WHAT??? No WalMart on Martha’s Vineyard? Heck, I’m just not going. That will teach ‘em! I was saving my pennies for a good time and now ZAP. There goes that plan!!
Thulsa Doom
August 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
GLL,
I dunno- ya never know. Maybe she gets some kind of gubment check for additional monies for keeping him around.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
Dave R: yes, they will protect speech. And whatever they have loosely defined as speech, like money. Or whatever they have loosely defined as a person, like corporations. Like I said, things do eventually change if enough people get behind the idea.
out of the blue
August 21st, 2011
5:12 pm
“Bro–Sorry if it seems like I’m singling out those at the bottom of the food chain.”
“Bottom of the food chain?” And, you’re probably a cheap tipper too!
Healing business? Got any free samples of Ben Gay?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
Welcome, Thulsa!
I can leave the cyber-stalkers in your good hands.
Got some errands to run.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
Adam @5:07 — good point
GLL @ 5:10 — b.s. rent alone is over a grand a month.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
REFRIGERATORS? You mean…..no iceboxes?? That’s not cool!!
getalife
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
cons do hate Americans and very unpatriotic.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
Dave R. – 3k/4k/5k
I spent a lot of time in NY-PA. They had two seasons. Winter and the Fourth of July. We would go to “The Shore” (Jersey Shore) Nasty and incredibly cold water.
I like the Gulf. Clear, warm water.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
5:14 pm