Perry the GOP frontrunner in Ga., and nationally as well
Via Jim Galloway, a poll of Georgia Republicans by Channel Two Action News and InsiderAdvantage:
Rick Perry: 24 percent;
Herman Cain: 15 percent;
Newt Gingrich: 9 percent;
Michele Bachmann: 8 percent;
Mitt Romney: 6 percent;
Ron Paul: 5 percent;
Jon Huntsman: 1 percent;
Undecided, 20 percent.
It’s no surprise that Perry’s doing well in Georgia, but the size of his lead is a little startling so soon after his entry into the race. The fact that Romney, the longtime frontrunner who has been in the race for months, draws just 6 percent here in the Peach State is a stark reminder of his problems with the party’s conservative base.
In a similar poll taken in Florida earlier this month, before Perry’s official entry, Romney pulled 25 percent, with Perry drawing support from 16 percent and Bachmann getting 10 percent. I doubt those numbers would be duplicated today, with Perry now an official candidate.
The most recent numbers out of South Carolina, another important primary state, date back to mid-July, when Perry was just beginning to make noises about a serious run. Romney drew 25 percent, with Sarah Palin at 16 percent, Bachmann at 15 percent and Cain at 13 percent. But again, Perry’s entry into the race has no doubt altered that landscape.
That’s certainly what has happened nationally. Here’s Rasmussen from earlier this week:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary voters, taken Monday night, finds Perry with 29% support. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who ran unsuccessfully for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, earns 18% of the vote, while Bachmann, the Minnesota congresswoman who won the high-profile Ames Straw Poll in Iowa on Saturday, picks up 13%.
Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who was a close second to Bachmann on Saturday, has the support of nine percent (9%) of Likely Primary Voters, followed by Georgia businessman Herman Cain at six percent (6%) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with five percent (5%). Rick Santorum, former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, and ex-Utah Governor Jon Huntsman each get one percent (1%) support, while Michigan Congressman Thaddeus McCotter comes in statistically at zero.
At this point, Perry is probably the frontrunner in the race, with the important proviso that like Bachmann, he has the potential to self-destruct at any moment.
– Jay Bookman
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Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
Obama proposes that we all share the burden. He proposed letting the Bush-era tax cuts for the RICH expire.
Oh, so in your world, letting the “RICH” pay more = all of us sharing the burden. You come across as one, super-confused guy, carlosgv. Try thinking things through a little better before making obviously goof-ball statements like that.
The Republicans said no way they would let that happen and they were willing to let our Nation go into default rather than let these tax cuts expire.
Obviously, you’ve never played any poker before. Jay was having a good time keeping score as to who was going to “blink” first until his side caved. I don’t know of any sane person who actually believed that a deal wouldn’t be struck. And because the Republicans were the only ones who actually HAD a plan, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that that was the one that was going to be adopted. But hey, now the Dems can claim that they were “forced” into the compromise, and that it’s the mean ol’ Republican’s fault. Which will play well to the Liberal base, but not so well to anyone who actually thinks for themselves.
No amount of wind-bag gyrations on your part can stop us from seeing the Republicans as they really are – bought and paid for tools of Big Business.
In case you missed it, your guy just signed into law the biggest giveaway in history to Big Business. It’s called Obamacare.
Tell you what, carlos, if you ever have anything intelligent to say, I will answer you into the future. In the meantime, I’m putting you on the ignore list as not being worth the effort to even type a response. All you have is emotion, with no facts to back your position up.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
And BTW, carlos, do you even see the difference between campaign rhetoric and reality. Obama and the Democratically controlled Congress renewed those hated Bush tax cuts in December. So, from here on out, they will be known as the Obama tax cuts.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
“Then why the broad generic belief that “government is the problem” instead of promoting the size and/or cost is the problem?”
Because it is both the overall problem and the size and scope. Do you really want politicians to have to speak longer just to cross every T and dot every I in their speeches?
“YOU may be able to discern the message within the message, but many of the bumper sticker reciting crowd probably don’t know the difference.”
And I believe that you do not give enough credit to the “bumper-sticker crowd”, but rather, stick to the “conservatives are too stupid” meme of some of your liberal brethren.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
In the meantime, I’m putting you on the ignore list…
Oh great, another list maker.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
No amount of wind-bag gyrations on your part can stop us from seeing the Republicans as they really are – bought and paid for tools of Big Business.
99% of our political system, on the fed level, could probably meet the definition of bought and paid for by big business. It has nothing to do with left/right dynamics at all. Campaigns cost money.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
Begging never works. It may get you a single date, but they lose respect for you when you beg. After all, if they require you to beg, is that really who you want?
GLL–Solid advice, but sometimes desire gets in the way of common sense. At least for me.
BTW, you need to change your verbiage and stories a little more if I’m not to believe that you’re not TOJ from the old W2W blog. No problem, though, I still like you either way.
Jwanya
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
Inflatables are creepy.
Actually YOU are creepy.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
Bruno
” if you ever have anything intelligent to say, I will answer you into the future. In the meantime, I’m putting you on the ignore list as not being worth the effort to even type a response. All you have is emotion, with no facts to back your position up.”
You just negated conversations with 90% of the liberal posters here. Once you start asking for logic, reason and an absence of emotion, you have dramatically cut back on the people with whom you will be able to converse.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
To suggest that the poor need to “share the burden” by increasing THEIR tax rates, while ignoring the tax rates on the top 2%, is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, let’s just take from the poor. I mean, after all, it’s the poor that owe us, right? Since they CHOSE to be there and nearly all of them “have” refrigerators so they must not really be “poor” and are just mooching off the government and PERFECTLY CONTENT to stay there.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
The gop “plans” would never pass the senate so they did not have a plan.
The default debacle was one of the most disgusting punts I have ever seen.
Government is not the problem.
Corrupt congress is the problem.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Dave R: Do you really want politicians to have to speak longer just to cross every T and dot every I in their speeches?
Yes. Then they could just say “I already answered that last week.” And then they could get to work.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Do you really want politicians to have to speak longer just to cross every T and dot every I in their speeches?
YEP!!! Truth in advertising is all I’m asking for. If you’re gonna give me the royal screw, give me a head’s up so I can at least brace myself. The bumper sticker crowd proves themselves time and time again. There’s factions on both the left and the right, so it’s not my intent to try to say “conservatives are too stupid”. If that’s really what I thought, I’d have no problem with saying that outright. I think there’s too many that fall for the “red meat” regurgitations from politicians instead of actually calling pols to the carpet for “promises” and such.
Bruno
August 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
Oh great, another list maker.
Says the man who stated a little while ago that he wasn’t answering my questions because he “wasn’t into me”. Cute icon, though.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Bruno
Desire is a biggy. I played for a private party last night. Cripes at the hot women. Skinny jeans and red heels. I can’t get it out of my mind. For that one I would have probably begged.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
Brosephus
How would you feel about all politicians only serving one term and going home, including the POTUS?
getalife
August 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
“Actually YOU are creepy.”
Have we met?
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
Gll
If they’re voted out, not a problem in the world. I don’t think enacting term limits beyond what’s already in place will change our quality of politicians at all. There’s much better things I think we could do to make our quality of pols much better without doing that.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
Bruno
You are having a remarkable string of unoriginality today. Just like you aren’t the only one to whinge about, “but libs aren’t addressing the Obama tax-cuts” meme, you are not the first to announce they have a list of who they won’t converse with. If you post that list at least three times a day giving the exact reasons why you will not address each poster here, then you will begin to catch up with what went before you.
BTW I only hinted that the reason I wouldn’t address the Obama tax cut nonsense cold be that I wasn’t into you. Nothing definitive.
I’d still buy you a beer though.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
Brosephus
I disagree. Obama started campaigning last year. Bush and every president since Truman did the same thing. Being the president is hard enough You said earlier that big business runs the government, but maybe that would change if they didn’t have lifers like Fat Teddy to keep pushing money onto.
There is a ruling class in this country that think they are above everyone and it ain’t big business. It’s life-long politicians. I think it would also give us better leaders. Politicians are like beauty queens. All smiles, no substance.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
“To suggest that the poor need to “share the burden” by increasing THEIR tax rates, while ignoring the tax rates on the top 2%, is absolutely ridiculous.”
And let’s review for the factually-challenged on this blog:
Did anyone actually make that suggestion?
Answer: No. Once again, the yappy little tea-cup poodle is projecting his beliefs in another lame effort to make a valid point.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Term limits are needed because Americans will elect the same people that collapsed the economy.
Over and over and over, etc…..
congress policing themselves is idiotic.
Abusing the filibuster and holding our economy hostage needs to be changed..
Campaign reform could eliminate corruption .
congress can’t be trusted to change themselves so we probably need a commission.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
Damn
Make that “could be”
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
Another typical Braves win. Dominant pitching and great leather…
Yeah, baby…
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
Gll
Try this one out. Remove the need for early campaigning by removing the need to raise money. I’m talking about 100% public funded campaigns with no outside money at all. Limit the campaign season to 90 days for primaries and 60 days for the general election. Out of a 4 year cycle for an incumbent president seeking re-election that limits his campaign time to 5 months of his 48 month term, or around 10% of his time in office. For a Senator, it would come out even less than 10%, and for an incumbent House member it would be around 20%.
Public funding only would remove the need to raise money. By setting a limit on the funds, it also requires the candidate to have to effectively budget his time and money to actually get elected. If someone can’t budget 5 months and a set budget, I don’t want them to have unfettered access to my tax money.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Good thing you didn’t say dominant leather, ShazamVet.
Then we’d know you were as creepy as getaclue. . . .
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
Brosephus @ 4:14.
No.
Fails the Constitutionality issue of protecting political free speech.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
I like it Bro.
You got to run.
Dave,
I guess you are the sock puppet that posted that.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
Fails the Constitutionality issue of protecting political free speech.
How?
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
Dave R: It is a valid point that attacking the poor as though they are not poor, is what REAL class warfare is. Yes, there is a push to tax the rich a little more. The push to tax the poor a little more is NOT something that should even be considered. You don’t want taxes raised on the rich, fine, let’s have a serious debate, instead of the propaganda machine attacking the poor and saying they TOO have to share the burden, when the burden of surviving is already heavily on their shoulders.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Brosephus @ 4:20p: How?
One man’s money laundering is another man’s free speech, apparently.
Brosephus
August 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Gotta run for a few, but I’m interested in the how part Dave…
Be back later
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Brosephus
Hmmm. That’s not bad. It would definitely help people like Herman Cain. Everybody likes him except the people with the money.
Limiting the season would work until the first bill would come up to extend it. The whole thing would need to be treated as an amendment or Congress would slice it to ribbons in a very few years.
Getalife actually said something pretty smart when he said that allowing Congress to police itself was crazy, but a commission is not the answer. You know the big problems came with TV. It will probably be the end of the country. 300 years from now, the Kennedy-Nixon televised debate will probably be seen as the turning point of America.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
Term limits are needed because Americans will elect the same people that collapsed the economy.
Re-election rates among U.S. Reps and Senators looks to be in the 80% range, so when I hear about term limits, it’s usually talk about someone elses congress critter.
Campaign finance reform would be a more effective silver bullet solution.
But just like term limits, campaign finance reform has to be voted on by the very people that it would effect.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
Well, all you creepy men who have to brag about the number of ‘hot women’ , etc. etc. etc. the real men are out playing baseball. THE BRAVES WON AGAIN!!!!! Another one to nothng but oh so good!!! A fine Sunday afternoon and all’s well that ends well. Yes sir!!!
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Adam, instead of jumping into a conversation you know nothing about (difficult given your level of understanding on many issues), why don’t you go back to the beginning on the thread?
carlos said that Hope & Downgrade ™ wanted everyone to share the burden, which prompted my response that said that there were no proposals to make everyone that currently do not pay income taxes pay some.
Which is true. There are none.
Which shows that carlos’ statement is false. And if Hope & Downgrade ™ said it, it makes THAT statement false as well.
Now, please go back to bothering someone who gives a f*ck what you think.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Adam
It depends on your definition of “poor”. Have your home given to you along with all your food and a monthly check is not poor. If you are a baby factory and the government can’t keep up with your loins, you can become poor.
I agree that when people are working like dogs and not living as well as welfare recipients, a kind of class warfare can result.
But poor is living in fear of losing whatever small home you have. Poor is worried about your next meal. Poor is running out of options. We have a lot of that in our country right now but the accepted view of “poor” in this country is not poor.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
Dave R: If you don’t like my opinions, you don’t have to read or respond to them.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Dusty
Talking about the hot women we saw, but didn’t even meet is hardly bragging.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
Brosephus, because the SCOTUS has already ruled in multiple instances that you can go too far in limiting a person’s right to “speak” politically through their donations to a candidate. Public financing without the ability for an individual to contribute according to their beliefs would limit their political free speech.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
GLL: But poor is living in fear of losing whatever small home you have. Poor is worried about your next meal. Poor is running out of options
There are a lot of people that fit that description. 1 in 6, in fact.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
I have to negate your stupidity somehow, Adam.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
Dave R: The SCOTUS also ruled that segregation was ok, once upon a time. If the SCOTUS makes a ruling, it’s not the end of it. It can still be challenged again.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
There are 4.3 million Americans who earn between $50,000 and $100,000 per year who pay NO federal income tax.
None.
There are another 485,000 Americans who earn between $100,000 and $500,000 per year who pay NO federal income tax.
None.
And there are yet another 18,000 Americans who earn $500,000 or more per year who pay NO federal income tax.
None.
Yet all I ever read here are those suddenly fiscal cons (hat tip getalife) that b*tch endlessly about the poor schmucks making $29K per year.
Must be more of their moral equivalence. Or is it compassionate conservatism?
Adam
August 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
And also, good luck negating that which does not exist. You also back people who do the same.
Doggone/GA
August 21st, 2011
4:38 pm
“If the SCOTUS makes a ruling, it’s not the end of it”
And even if we’re stuck with living with it…that doesn’t mean it was a good decision, and it doesn’t mean we all have to agree with it.
Kamchak
August 21st, 2011
4:40 pm
Must be more of their moral equivalence. Or is it compassionate conservatism?
Meh, it’s poverty envy.
Plays into the victim-hood mentality.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:41 pm
Adam
No. One out of six live below a specific income level, but most of them don’t have to worry about losing their homes and feeding their children. That’s done by the government. A lower middle class family head of the household loses their job and do not know how to play the system. They can easily lose everything they have.
If I were to lose my business and my income, I would have no idea how to get assistance. What office issues EMT? Do you know? I don’t. How do I get housing? A monthly check? I have no idea. I guess I would learn quickly, but since the kids are gone, I would probably just fight and get back on my feet.
That’s the difference, Adam. I know a couple of millionaires that have lost everything and they are millionaires again. They just think differently than other people. They never even consider anything but success.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
OK, let’s all put down the stones and spears and get busy. Just remember: anything said here has already been said hundreds of times. So relax. And let us SHARE!!
Right now, I am all packed ready to go to Martha’s Vineyard and share vacation time. MY folks will let me know how things are going in.. errr.. Tucker and I shall be fully aware of all problems. I shall return next Saturday fully refreshed and sharp as a tack!! Woohoo, I would even settle for Tybee Island right now. That’s what a hot summer will do for you…Vacation envy!!!
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
dave,
The sc is corrupt and part of the problem too.
I don’t think anything will change until we collapse.
That is what you cons want anyway.
pogo
August 21st, 2011
4:43 pm
I don’t much think the geezers on Jay’s blog here are going to like Obamacare very much. Up to this point you have pretty much had complete freedom as to your doctor and your treatment. That is about to change in 2013. It is about to get much worse for the geezers.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
4:43 pm
Dusty,
daffy is history so scream some patriotism for this glorious victory for our country before you go.
Quittsac Hatrack
August 21st, 2011
4:46 pm
Rick Perry & M. Bachmann? really? Good luck with that.
You couldn’t have read that headline in the Onion even 5 years ago.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
4:46 pm
I know a couple of millionaires that have lost everything and they are millionaires again.
Isn’t it amazing how some posters seem to know millionaires and also happen to have seen the welfare queens…. and seem to have a personal “experience” that just happens to fit what “point” they happen to be blogivating.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
ShazamVet
I agree with your numbers, but why do you think that is? We don’t need tax increases, we need to close the tax loopholes. But closing loopholes does not inspire class warfare. The democrats, much like their predecessors like Maximilien Robespierre, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot need class warfare. That’s why it is so much garbage to hear about tax hikes being the answer.
The rates are high enough. Close the loopholes.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
Keep Up
When you finally move out of your Mom’s basement, you too will encounter real people and have real life experiences.
pogo
August 21st, 2011
4:50 pm
Dusty, you better think twice about the Tybee Island thing. They have a “bacteria” problem (kind of like Martha’s Vineyard, only one much smaller and one hell of a lot less costly).
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
“Dave R: The SCOTUS also ruled that segregation was ok, once upon a time.”
OMFG! You’re going to use the “they ruled 150 years ago” argument? Really? How about Roe v. Wade? I thought that was “settled” law. Should THAT be overturned because some people don’t like it?
Sorry Adam, but just because you don’t like things doesn’t mean they get to be reviewed again. There is too much “settled” law in regards to political free speech to change that direction.
Certain principles are not up for debate, Adam. Political free speech is one that the courts almost always rule on the side of caution in attempts to limit.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
Nice infintile insult GLL…. mom’s basement…. how original….
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
GLL,
If that’s not bragging, then its envy.
——————
getalife,
You have said that before.
———————-
ScamVet,
You have said that before. .
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:53 pm
Dusty
I’ve been to both Martha’s Vineyard and Tybee. I would take Tybee. For one thing the ocean isn’t freezing cold in the middle of July.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
POGO,
They have nicer germs at Martha’s Vineyard than Tybee. Since Martha’s is a bit crowded at the moment (!) I now consider Hilton Head!! Only one shark bite there last week!
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
Keep Up
With you, who needs originality? You come here taking innocent comments and attempt to make them a very personal insult. You are very different than the adults on here and very similar to children I have known who leech off their parents.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
GLL, don’t tell me, I’ve been blowing that horn for a long time.
Tell those intransigent nitwits that run the GOP.
On second thoughts, don’t. You’ll be excommunicated. (grin)
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
Dusty
Envy of the guy who is taking them home? Absolutely. Envy of the woman? No. Just admiration.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
4:59 pm
GLL,
Freezing sounds real good at the moment. I was just kidding about Martha’s. Not a single invitation from there!! Amazing!! I told ‘em I’d bring my own secret service (all 5 of them if necessary) but no luck!!!
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:00 pm
ShazamVet
It ain’t just the GOP. Its the government. How many years have the Democrats held total power in your lifetime? Did you see tax loopholes being closed? I don’t think so.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
5:00 pm
Dang.
Still no patriotism for Dusty.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
Right GLL…. just like those welfare queens you witnessed awhile back.. credibility is something you lack.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:02 pm
GLL: No, one out of six don’t just live below a certain amount of income, one out of six are defined as “hungry.”
Midori
August 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
WTF is going on here?
is this the Playboy Forum??
you guys are a trip
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
Dusty
it’s not like I was staying at the Vineyard. We drove over just to see what the big deal was. It’s a little like St Simons where all the beaches are private. Couldn’t find a Walmart anywhere. I think that any liberal who claim that its conservatives that are the rich snobs should be sent to Martha’s Vineyard with a dead car battery and make them try to get a boost.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
The Dems are complicit in the r@pe of the middle class, no doubt whatsoever.
But which party *now* has an ironclad, inviolable “rule” that NO increases of any kind will be tolerated?
I don’t think so, I know so.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
GLL, when I was growing up, we had 2 months maximum to enjoy the waters off the MA and NH coasts, and even then your swim time was measured in 5-10 minute intervals before your feet started turning blue. Brrrrr!
But there were plenty of video game and fried seafood places to spend the time warming up the blocks of ice our feet became.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
Sorry Adam, but just because you don’t like things doesn’t mean they get to be reviewed again.
Not me personally, no, but if enough people want something to change, it will. The justices don’t live forever, even though they get to keep their chairs until death.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
Yet all I ever read here are those suddenly fiscal cons (hat tip getalife) that b*tch endlessly about the poor schmucks making $29K per year.
and these same miserable freeloaders have THE NERVE to own tvs, refrigerators and air conditioners!!!!!
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:05 pm
As for Roe v Wade, we could effectively outlaw abortion IF every child that is born is taken care of from conception through age 18, rape is no more, and incest is no more. Well, except for death of the mother I suppose, and other things….
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
Keep Up
Again, I don’t argue with tantrum throwing children in their own little fantasy world.
Thulsa Doom
August 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
GLL,
What makes you think he’ll EVER move out of Mom’s basement?
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
getalife,
You said that already.
———————
Midori,
I tried to chaperon here but they ran wild anyway..
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:07 pm
Midori: I would be willing to bet the majority of poor households don’t actually OWN the refrigerators or air conditioners they use. The TV would probably be all they “own,” and you can actually dumpster dive for TVs.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:07 pm
Adam
I would need to see that stat and also who is defining them as “hungry”. Most food stamp recipients are considered hungry and that’s one thing that they ain’t.
getalife
August 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
Come on Dusty.
Just one sentence of patriotism.
You can do it.
You did it everyday for w.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
Thulsa Doom
Maybe Mom will run him off. Wouldn’t you?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
5:09 pm
Sorry, Adam, but the founding principles of the Bill of Rights are nearly inviolate to every Supreme Court. Sure, they’ll tinker around the edges on one or another, but they are nearly steadfast in protecting speech.
And principles are also not measured by how many people want them to change. That’s why they’re called principles.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
Midori
29K a year is well over 2 grand a month. That’s not poverty.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
GLL: http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunger-america/story?id=14342629
I will admit, however, that the first sentence makes me wonder about the editing, and what is actually being said. So I could be wrong about what 1 in 6 actually represents.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
Refrigerators? How dare they have those!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
GLL chicken….. tick, tick, tick
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
GLL
WHAT??? No WalMart on Martha’s Vineyard? Heck, I’m just not going. That will teach ‘em! I was saving my pennies for a good time and now ZAP. There goes that plan!!
Thulsa Doom
August 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
GLL,
I dunno- ya never know. Maybe she gets some kind of gubment check for additional monies for keeping him around.
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
Dave R: yes, they will protect speech. And whatever they have loosely defined as speech, like money. Or whatever they have loosely defined as a person, like corporations. Like I said, things do eventually change if enough people get behind the idea.
out of the blue
August 21st, 2011
5:12 pm
“Bro–Sorry if it seems like I’m singling out those at the bottom of the food chain.”
“Bottom of the food chain?” And, you’re probably a cheap tipper too!
Healing business? Got any free samples of Ben Gay?
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
Welcome, Thulsa!
I can leave the cyber-stalkers in your good hands.
Got some errands to run.
Midori
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
Adam @5:07 — good point
GLL @ 5:10 — b.s. rent alone is over a grand a month.
Dusty
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
REFRIGERATORS? You mean…..no iceboxes?? That’s not cool!!
getalife
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
cons do hate Americans and very unpatriotic.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:13 pm
Dave R. – 3k/4k/5k
I spent a lot of time in NY-PA. They had two seasons. Winter and the Fourth of July. We would go to “The Shore” (Jersey Shore) Nasty and incredibly cold water.
I like the Gulf. Clear, warm water.
ShazamVet
August 21st, 2011
5:14 pm
The No-Moderates party lambasted:
Washington (CNN) — He’s behind in polling so far, so Republican presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman went after the front-runners Sunday.
In particular, Huntsman pounced on comments by Perry last week — his first as an announced candidate — that questioned the validity of evolution theory and climate-change science.
“The minute that the Republican Party becomes the anti-science party, we have a huge problem,” Huntsman said. “We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012.”
There is a broader point, he noted.
“We’ve found ourselves at the extreme ends of the political spectrum and people are crying out for us to get back to some level of sensibility,” Huntsman said, later adding: “I think when you find yourself at an extreme end of the Republican Party, you make yourself unelectable.”
Huntsman saved his strongest criticism for Bachmann in response to her comment that she would bring gas prices below $2 a gallon if elected.
“I just don’t know what world that comment would come from,” Huntsman said, adding that such a remark by Bachmann “may pander to a particular group or sound good at the time, but it just simply is not founded in reality.”
Adam
August 21st, 2011
5:14 pm
Dave R: Also you missed the point of me invoking “what the people want,” which is not to say they always get what they want, or should. But it IS to say that the justices currently on the court will be replaced, and eventually that set of replacements will be people who think like most of the public, or actually believe in principles like standing up for the rights of the working class, not just the corporate class. People elect presidents, presidents appoint justices. That is, unless their appointments get blocked and the congress always has a “not a recess” recess.
Good little liberal
August 21st, 2011
5:15 pm
Midori
A grand a month? I know people right now living in Atlanta paying $350 a month for a nice little flat. Up here, you can rent a house for $400. Have you read the paper? Housing prices are tanking.