Perry or Romney? A party eyes its future

So, conservative readers, I have a question that you in the end will have to answer:

This guy?

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Or this guy?

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Speaking realistically, those are your choices (at least, I hope they are. I hope this Michele Bachmann thing fades). The answer will determine more than the identity of your party’s champion against Barack Obama. It will also say a lot about the direction of the party itself.

So which way are you going to go? I’m going to ask our more liberal readers not to participate in the Bookman Straw Poll, so we can get a more accurate idea of how opinion breaks down among those folks who will actually make the decision in question.

– Jay Bookman

Who should be the 2012 Republican presidential nominee?

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The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 15th, 2011
8:35 am

I still don’t know enough about either to make a decision.

godless heathen

August 15th, 2011
8:35 am

Held my nose and clicked Mittens.

Jay, Nice column on Ms. Tucker this weekend.

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
8:35 am

Is the bottom picture him doing his best Kids in the Hall imitation??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pKXMcfx1d8

Aquagirl

August 15th, 2011
8:36 am

Not voting in this poll, but still might vote Romney over Obama. Perry—no way.

Thank you for not including Bachmann, nobody needs to deal with that idea on a Monday morning.

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
8:38 am

“I hope this Michele Bachmann thing fades”

Like I said downstairs, the Iowa Straw Poll isn’t a very reliable predicter of the final GOP ticket:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-08-10-straw-poll_N.htm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 15th, 2011
8:39 am

Can I vote if I dont read the article and just attack like a lot of the posters?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 15th, 2011
8:41 am

USinUK… did you happen to see any of the coverage about how they process works in Iowa? Its more of a competitive mini-tent festival buy-your-$30 ticket-if-you-vote-for-me thingy that what most would imagine.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
8:42 am

I think Obama beats Perry like a yard dog, so I went with the pRick.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

August 15th, 2011
8:42 am

Either one could beat Obama but I’m not ready to choose as I need to hear more from Perry.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
8:43 am

I’m going to ask our more liberal readers not to participate in the Bookman Straw Poll

whoops, missed that. I guess since I believe in rational approaches to our socio-political challenges, that makes me “more liberal.” You can take away one of the Perry votes, then.

Cosby

August 15th, 2011
8:44 am

Anybody but Obama, I’m sorry, Barry Soetoros

Granny Godzilla

August 15th, 2011
8:44 am

Have you got pictures of either of them in 501’s?

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
8:45 am

Jay – can I do a write-in for my Dad?

he’s my kind of Republican – socially liberal and fiscally conservative. he’s a man of faith, but thinks it’s nobody’s damn business but his own. he’s a family man, has a great sense of humor and used to have a wonderful tenor voice that time and pipe smoke have done their damage. he loves this country (served in 2 wars), is first generation born here and is an avid reader – bios, history, and westerns.

He’s tall. He’s bald. He’d be a helluva leader.

USinUK’s Dad, 2012.

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
8:47 am

Keep Up – huckerstism in Iowa???

NO!!!” say it isn’t so!!!

Adam

August 15th, 2011
8:48 am

I hope no one seriously thinks that Bachmann has a chance in hell (heh) of getting the female vote, just because she’s a woman. That’d be as silly as saying that everyone voted for Obama because he was black. OH WAIT some of you really do think nonsense like that. Oops, did I offend? Tough.

Bachmann will get the religious vote IF she gets the nomination, and that’s about it. Perry will get more than that if nominated, probably the religious and Bush-ite votes.

Real Scooter

August 15th, 2011
8:49 am

I can imagine Romney giving the State of The Union Address but with Perry it would amount to a Sermon On The Mount. I don’t like any of the choices right now.Whew!

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
8:49 am

by the way, I googled the phrase “beat like a yard dog” for kicks, and came up with this hilarious piece from AmSpec.

but what I liked best? there’s an ad on the left pane claiming “The Largest Selection of Liberal-baiting Merchandise on the Net!”

(because, lest we forget, the online conservatives’ Prime Directive is and always shall be: Piss Off Teh Gawdless Librulz. As evidenced by the RNC’s own Bumper Sticker Shoppe.)

Southern Comfort

August 15th, 2011
8:49 am

I’ll abstain from this poll, as I have been tagged as a liberal here by everybody BUT Steve Irwin. That said, I don’t think Perry will go over too well with independents and undecideds. Personally, I’m waiting before I make a decision on whom I will vote for. If the GOP decides on a far-right candidate (which I almost expect them to do every time now), I don’t see me voting in their favor. Based on his actions, Obama’s already shown himself to be a moderate Republican in Democratic clothing, so I see no need to go extreme right to replace him.

Mick

August 15th, 2011
8:50 am

Man, how I wish molly ivans was still around for the three ring circus that is the modern republican party…

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
8:50 am

Both Perry and Bozo have egos bigger than Texas but Perry is definitely going to win in 2012. Guess the Bozo team will have to switch their focus on Perry. Maybe they’ll find a way to destroy him too.

godless heathen

August 15th, 2011
8:51 am

USinUK’s Dad has my vote.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
8:51 am

socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

sounds like most “liberal” Democrats these days.

What does he have in common with any Goopers save, perhaps, a guy like Gary Johnson?

1811/0311

August 15th, 2011
8:51 am

How about this Jay:

PERRY/BACHMANN !!!

Get used to it ……………………..

By the way, just read this:

“We have our Navy Seals remains being brought back home and their families not wanting any press photos. The White House ignores their pleas and sent a photographer there to take and distribute photos for the world to see. But Obama respects Islam’s requests when it came to a terrorist like Osama bin Laden?

Ask yourselves WHY.

FrankLeeDarling

August 15th, 2011
8:52 am

Creepy or wacko…hmmmm.

El Jefe

August 15th, 2011
8:53 am

Gee, a RINO or another Texan – How about Michele Bachmann. It is about time we elected a woman President. It is about time we elected a conservative.

1811/0311

August 15th, 2011
8:53 am

Jay:

Since you are into polls this morning, how about this one ………… please include a CHART !

HEADLINE: “OBAMA’S APPROVAL LOWEST EVER”

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
8:53 am

thank you godless and dB …

oh, and did I mention that he calls bingo at the VFW in Marietta???

my dad does, indeed, rock.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

August 15th, 2011
8:54 am

At this point in the process, I go with (as you put it, “Ken Doll”) Mitt Romney.

As the campaign progresses that may change. I actually care as much about who the candidate’s prospective cabinet members will be.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
8:54 am

Not to put too fine a point on it, but fully nine (9) out of twelve stickers on that page are flat-out attacks on the political opposition. Only three could be said to be actually *pro* GOP.

http://www.gopstore.com/cgi-bin/rnc/scan/st=db/co=yes/sf=prod_group/se=stickers/op=eq/tf=description/ml=12/sp=1stickers.html?id=e5gqZMc4

And I’m being charitable and including the “Give me Liberty – not Debt” sticker, and I probably shouldn’t.

Granny Godzilla

August 15th, 2011
8:55 am

Kayaker 71

“Perry is definitely going to win in 2012″

I wanna’ piece of that action.

Wanna bet on Perry?

He wins 2012 I’ll quit blogging here.

Obama wins you quit.

Mick

August 15th, 2011
8:56 am

1811

Paranoia will destroya…

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
8:58 am

Rasmussen today…. only 20% of the electorate strongly approves of Bozo….. lowest ever. He better wear out some shoe leather on his Midwest campaign trip. If the election were held today, he wouldn’t have a chance in hell of beating either one of the GOP front runners.

Gordon

August 15th, 2011
8:58 am

I would choose Romney. Perry is too socially conservative for me.

Now I have a question for you liberals: Are you going to stick with Obama or talk Hillary into running?

JohnnyReb

August 15th, 2011
8:58 am

I voted for Perry. Romney’s challenge is not Perry; it’s the Left’s growing love.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
8:59 am

GG, here’s where you want to go for that action.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=749989

I don’t want a piece of it, though.

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
8:59 am

Well at least we can blog here today.

“Are you going to stick with Obama or talk Hillary into running?”

I don’t see Hills pulling a Ted Kennedy. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 15th, 2011
9:00 am

Stands, I still love the GOP sign that says they get free parking but all others will be taxed…. can we talk about that “entitlement” mentality thingy? :D

Normal

August 15th, 2011
9:00 am

As a liberal, given a choice between either of them versus Obama, I could vote for Mitt. I’m afraid that Perry is too ultra religious and would allow his faith take precedence over government. Religious Zealots like that have no business in politics.

JKL2

August 15th, 2011
9:00 am

USinUK- obama v. Dad comparison

Technically Democrat- socialist and bugdet impaired
man of faith- gets twitters from his communist spiritual advisor because he doesn’t have time for church. Tells everyone he’s Christian even though he sat in church for 20 years without ever hearing anything the Rev said.
No sense of humor and likes to smoke
hates his country, was evidently born here
reads teleprompters (heard he took 10 to England with him)

He’s short. He’s greying. He couldn’t lead his way out of a wet paper bag.

I would rather see your Dad as president too.

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
9:00 am

I think we’ve had our fill of Gov. of Texas for POTUS. At least the normal sane people have.

RB from Gwinnett

August 15th, 2011
9:01 am

Gee… Jay deciding which R candidate get considered. Thanks for your concern, Jay, but we’ll take care of our nominees and you keep sucking up to the worst president this nation has ever seen.

Gordon

August 15th, 2011
9:02 am

“I don’t see Hills pulling a Ted Kennedy. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now.”

It didn’t turn out too well for Carter, either. And Hillary isn’t damaged goods like Ted Kennedy was.

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
9:02 am

Granny,

You already owe me a steak dinner at Bones for the 2012 Congressional election. I’ll take the bet but if Perry wins, I really don’t want you to quit blogging. On the off chance that Bozo should win, I don’t want to quit either.

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
9:02 am

“hates his country”

This is one of the many “Obamaisms” I don’t get. I mean, yes, all of them are obviously stupid, but that one is the top.

Why in the world would you go through a Presidential campaign if you hate your country?

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
9:04 am

“you keep sucking up to the worst president this nation has ever seen”

Jay is a Herbert Hoover suck up? Who knew?

Aquagirl

August 15th, 2011
9:05 am

1811 Paranoia will destroya…

And scout is just one of many who creep about teh interwebz, looking for evidence against our Kenyan-In-Chief’s mission to destroy the free world.

Real disrespect to the families would include lying about the circumstances of their death, and then lying about the lying. See: Tillman, Pat.

(ir)Rational

August 15th, 2011
9:05 am

I would vote for Perry, and probably will in the primary, simply because he seems to have at least read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and seems to remember and understand that there is a 10th Amendment. But that is just me, being all irrationally conservative and expecting the government to be limited to the things they were meant to be limited to when the Constitution was written.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
9:05 am

“reads teleprompters ”

the OY goes off the charts.

dude. seriously, do you realize how incredibly STUPID you sound when you pull this one out of the box???

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
9:05 am

And I thought it was possible for me to vote for MITTENS!!! until that speech in Iowa. That’s all I needed to see how he’s heading….right down the road to right wing lala land.

F. Sinkwich

August 15th, 2011
9:05 am

I’m glad Perry is in the race. I’m more than a little worried about Romney’s backbone and RINO tendencies.

Although I have much to learn about Perry, I really liked this line from his announcement speech on Saturday:

“And I’ll promise you this: I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.”

USinUK

August 15th, 2011
9:06 am

“Jay is a Herbert Hoover suck up?”

(and here’s me thinking Jay doesn’t look a day over 40!)

Granny Godzilla

August 15th, 2011
9:06 am

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
9:02 am
Granny,

You already owe me a steak dinner at Bones for the 2012 Congressional election. I’ll take the bet but if Perry wins, I really don’t want you to quit blogging. On the off chance that Bozo should win, I don’t want to quit either.

As I remember it, it was 2010, and I made the offer TWICE here on the blog to arrange payment – paying careful attention to do so when you were here….but no response – I always wondered why…

Where should I send the check?

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
9:07 am

“, being all irrationally conservative and expecting the government to be limited to the things they were meant to be limited to when the Constitution was written”

Dude, conservatives haven’t been that in 30 years. Can you say Medicare Part D, DOMA, and abortion laws?

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
9:08 am

Bozo will have a hard time competing with a Perry/Rubio ticket. Most any GOP primary winner will have to consider Rubio as #2.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
9:10 am

I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.

Let’s see–it walks like a secessionist, quacks like a secessionist…

Southern Comfort

August 15th, 2011
9:10 am

dB @ 8:49

I’ll take your bumper sticker and raise you one. Read this, and see if you’ve witnessed attempts at this anywhere…

First, infiltratethe site. For this, you will have to avoid creating screen names like “GoPalinGo” or “Heartlandredstater.” Also, some websites may actually have you wait a week before you are allowed to comment or blog. Perhaps, they are investigating the e-mail address you give them against whether it is used for a conservative website. Be sure to avoid that tendency; if you use, for example, aol.com screen name for RedState, make sure you use a yahoo e-mail address for Dailykos, or whatever. Once you are there, the second part of the strategy is to gain their trust. For this, you cannot be too overtly gung-ho conservative in your outlook. Instead, you sort of have to be the voice of a moderate liberal. This will take a lot of acting skill, but it could be done. For example, over at ThinkProgress, they had an article about how the folks in Alabama got what they deserved with the recent spate of tornadoes because their legislators did not believe in global warming. It took all my energies not to reach through the Internet and strangle these kooks, but I responded, “Well, that might be going a little too far…” Along the way, I gained the trust of certain posters on that thread.

The third step is to move the conversation in the direction you desire. By doing this, you can then form the debate in terms you can win. For example, in the above story, although I said they were going too far in their comments, I moved the conversation somewhat by questioning whether the folks in Alabama would accept Federal funds to rebuild their lives. In other words, the subject was changed from a debate on global warming to one of fiscal responsibility. Once there, you can then highjack the thread. In effect, you have changed the subject and tenor or the conversation and the writer of the original post has lost their ability to moderate the conversation and that creates a free-for-all that gets the conversation far off the original mark. Of course, you will be accused of “threadjacking” or, worse (drumrolls please…) being a “troll.” To this I say, of course you are a troll and you should be proud of it. Embrace your status of being a “troll” on the liberal website and carry it through to its logical conclusion. To put it bluntly: Embrace your inner troll. If they realize what is happening and accuse you of being a troll or such, or if they try to block you and your opinions, remind them of their support for the Fairness Doctrine and their reasoning for it- to ensure that both sides have a say- should allow you to have your say. Force them to practice what they preach

I think it’s fairly safe to say that Bookman’s is testing ground for that tactic. :) That’s not their only tactic though. There’s an entire series on “Weakening the Democratic Base” there on that site. I think it says more than people will realize that a party’s winning tactic is to weaken the opposition as opposed to actually working on their own message and governance. Why elect a failure when they only want to make the other side appear more of a failure? That’s why the American political system is screwed up. It’s not even about governance anymore. It’s all about winning elections. Buncha jackasses.

Bosch

August 15th, 2011
9:11 am

This is all I need to know about Rick Perry:

“When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” the governor can be heard saying. “And one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.”

JKL2

August 15th, 2011
9:11 am

Bosch- Why in the world would you go through a Presidential campaign if you hate your country?

Money, power, and a belief he could radically transform our country since he hates it in it’s current state.

Mick

August 15th, 2011
9:11 am

yaker

An obama/clinton ticket trumps anything the repubs could put together.

(ir)Rational

August 15th, 2011
9:12 am

Bosch – no, Republicans haven’t been that in 30 years (I’ll have to take your word for that, I wasn’t around 30 years ago, so I certainly don’t remember), I said conservative – there is a difference. I don’t consider myself a Republican, and actually voted mostly for Libertarians and even a few Democrats in the last election. Oddly enough, I was able to look at the candidates, read about them, see what they said and had done in their careers/life and vote for the ones that had the best ideas/had ideas that most closely matched mine. I know this goes against most of what many of you believe about self-proclaimed conservatives like myself, but I’m able to make up my own mind without having someone tell me how to think.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

jm

August 15th, 2011
9:13 am

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
9:13 am

Granny,

Buy your new grand baby something nice. Going back to your original proposal, I don’t want you to quit blogging should I win but if you throw in AmVet, I might just bite.

jm

August 15th, 2011
9:14 am

Wow. Just saw the electronic poll. Awesome high tech Jay. You should do more of these….

sam

August 15th, 2011
9:15 am

i’ll take romney, no more texas governors please.

JamVet

August 15th, 2011
9:15 am

“It will also say a lot about the direction of the party itself.”

Can one of you cons detail the direction your party has taken for the past ten, twenty or thirty years?

Be sure not to omit all the flowery slogans about less taxes, less government, etc,OK?

Ridiculous…

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
9:16 am

I think it says more than people will realize that a party’s winning tactic is to weaken the opposition as opposed to actually working on their own message and governance.

yup.

and Bros, it’s not exactly news to me that an army of shut-in, lonely, angry men might be spamming these and other comments pages with that crap, but I thank you for patiently explaining the obvious to others.

There’s an entire series on “Weakening the Democratic Base” there on that site.

Is there a chapter on how it’s probably NOT a good idea to Tweet that a Supreme Court Justice is a “Goat f-cking child molester?”

(yes, I will try to bring that up EVERY time Erick son-of-Erick’s name is mentioned, until he is fired from CNN.)

JKL2

August 15th, 2011
9:16 am

USinUK- do you realize how incredibly STUPID you sound when you pull this one out of the box???

Truth is not libel. It always amaizes me how “The Great Orator” has such a hard time speaking in public. You must have missed his last trip to England…

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
9:17 am

Awesome high tech Jay.

funny how you’ve not bothered to go all snarkalicious that way on the dozen or so occasions that Kyle Wingfield has used the same tool. gosh, wonder why.

@@

August 15th, 2011
9:17 am

I’ll go with the candidate who’s looking to win US (the conservative voters) over…the one who’ll seek OUR approval during his first term in order to assure his second term. It would be great if they’d allude to their choice of V.P. before receiving the nomination.

President Obama’s summer woes have dragged his approval rating to an all-time low, sinking below 40% for the first time in Gallup’s daily tracking poll.

New data posted Sunday shows that 39% of Americans approve of Obama’s job performance, while 54% disapprove. Both are the worst numbers of his presidency.—LATimes

America needs to send Obama home where he can be a full-time husband and father. He’s good at THAT!!!!!

Southern Comfort

August 15th, 2011
9:17 am

“And I’ll promise you this: I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.”

Never will happen. The defense contractors will ensure that will never take place. Nothing but red meat rhetoric for the party faithful. Nobody spends millions upon millions of dollars to become inconsequential. Seems like you bought it though….

Paul

August 15th, 2011
9:17 am

Jay

Couldn’t you have run this on Tuesday? The third Tuesday this month is “Be a Conservative” day. Monday isn’t, so I can’t vote.

If I could, I’d vote for USinUK’s dad.

“can I do a write-in for my Dad?

he’s my kind of Republican – socially liberal and fiscally conservative. he’s a man of faith, but thinks it’s nobody’s damn business but his own.”

I used to think Romney said some of the things he does to make it thru the primaries. But lately, I get the impression he really believe some of those things. Still don’t know for sure.

But with Perry, I think a lot of the things he says he doesn’t really understand. There’s this great void separating his brain from his mouth.

Either that, or he’s fully aware and has calculated the average Republican voter is so conditioned to sound bites that they are incapable of thinking through what he says. If that is the case, he wins the primary, loses the Independents and the general election.

Jim Bakker's Cryptic Messages

August 15th, 2011
9:18 am

Either one could beat Obama but I’m not ready to choose as I need to hear more from Perry.

Given such a declaration of faith, you’re definitely a Perry kind of guy.

jm

August 15th, 2011
9:19 am

sfd 9:17 – rarely read Kyle, but I do on occasion.

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
9:19 am

Mick,

Make that at Clinton/Obama ticket and you might be right. This is the last chance for the Hildabeast and, at this point, she could wax Bozo in a primary challenge. Don’t much like her politics but admire her as a person.

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Truth is not libel.

Thank you, JKLMNon-sequitor.

getalife

August 15th, 2011
9:20 am

I chose the moonbat.

Southern Comfort

August 15th, 2011
9:21 am

dB

I don’t think that was one of the tactics. However, I can stick my chest out and proclaim I was the focus of the first part of their alleged strategy – “Weakening the Democratic Base-Part 1: The Black Vote”. Top that!!!! :razz:

Tea Party Hobbit

August 15th, 2011
9:21 am

JamVet,

I have no party. The candidate I like best (Herman Cain) has very little chance in getting anywhere, except I am hoping to Cabinet position somewhere. The Republicans have veered off course, but then again so have Democrats. There used to be a time in this country where there was some modicum of fiscal responsibility, and I had hoped it would right itself after the end of the Cold War. But it has only gotten worse, and all parties in Washington are equally responsible. Best choice for Prez is actually a guy not running – Marco Rubio! But there will be others, because we the taxpayers have been abused too much already! Idiot Harry Reid thinks the Tea Party will just fade away, but it is he who will fade away, as momentum from both the right and the left will seek out to uproot the useless establishment.

jm

August 15th, 2011
9:22 am

Joe the Plutocrat

August 15th, 2011
9:22 am

I think Perry will get the nod, and here’s why; he’s more like Bachman (faux libertarian/Tea party ethos), but his not a hysterical chick with a closeted homosexual husband, who profits from the very entitlement programs Bachman rails against. to wit; at the end of the day, Bachman will remain true to herself and happily play the role of “submissive” (GOP) female. in addition, she lacks the ‘executive experience’ the right so often cites when criticizing Obama. as far as Romney goes; he’s a Morman, and that’s that. add to this is Romney-care past as Massachusetts governor, and there you have it. I am fascinated (in a depressing, sinking feeling in stomach) by Perry. by all accounts, a better Bush ver 2.0 than the plutocracy’s current model (Obama). and don’t let the whole “the Bush people don’t like Perry” stuff fool you. Perry is the intellectual equal of W, if not the socio-economic (a true “bootstraps” story for the unwashed masses), and he says all the right things, ’specially the god-speak stuff. is it me, or is the most significan difference the fact that Romey parts his hair on the left (booo!) and Perry parts his hair on the right (yeah!). seems me as good a reason as any to venerate Perry and throw Romney under the bus.

jt

August 15th, 2011
9:22 am

“I’ll work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can.”…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..as long as you don’t spark a doobie up.
.
Come out of the closet Mr. Perry.

Paul

August 15th, 2011
9:25 am

Hey, there’s an upside to a Perry win.

He’d no longer be governor of Texas!!!

Yay!!!!!

(Dear eternal deity who loves true Christians and tolerates everyone else, please perform your magic and remove Perry as our governor. Grant that he may win the election and be sent to, as he puts it, the District of Satan to begin his time in purgatory. Bosch will even do a dance in the forest to persuade you to do what we ask. Amen. Oh, and please send us someone who will get rid of the $21 billion deficit he gave us. Thanks again.)

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
9:25 am

This is the last chance for the Hildabeast

notice how you never hear people say the same of Mittens, even though he’s actually six months older than Hillary?

golly, wonder why.

Aquagirl

August 15th, 2011
9:25 am

Don’t much like her politics but admire her as a person

Yeah, kayaker, referring to Hillary Clinton as “the Hildabeast” is a sign of your deep personal respect.

poison pen

August 15th, 2011
9:25 am

Granny Godzilla

” Have you got pictures of either of them in 501’s?”

Granny, Are you being ignored at home? this is the 3rd or 4th time that you have made sexual references to Perry?

(ir)Rational

August 15th, 2011
9:25 am

Bosch – Was it not the Founding Fathers who said it was perfectly reasonable that in the course of human events it could become necessary to either stage a revolution or succeed? I’m not saying it is the best idea, and we all know how it turned out last time (although, my independent study of history leads me to believe that Lincoln picked the fight, saying that knowing that it would have happened anyway) but it comes down to the same basic issue today. States Rights. Today, it is driven by economic issues, and the feeling that the federal government has grown too large. Then it was essentially the same fears, but about a reprehensible subject. Please understand, I disagree with slavery in its entirety, and am proud to say that I live in the one Southern state that abolished slavery (Georgia did try sometime around 1825 I think) before anyone else. Realizing it was suddenly unable to compete economically with the rest of the South, it did reinstate the practice, but it did try. Anyway, what I’m trying to say, is if it wasn’t for people that proclaim that liberty from tyranny and freedom are the most important things in life, we would still be subjects of the Queen. Not sure why people are so scared of the idea today. Oh, and Perry mentioned (correctly) that Texas was a country before it became a state, and entered the US by treaty, and the treaty did say that they could leave whenever they wanted. He didn’t call for them to secede, he just mentioned that they were within their legal rights to do so.

Oh-well. Who is John Galt?

Granny Godzilla

August 15th, 2011
9:26 am

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2011
9:26 am

Weakening the Democratic Base-Part 1: The Black Vote”

let me guess–they tastefully work in the word “holocaust” and claim librulz secretly wanna kill all the black babies, right?

Mick

August 15th, 2011
9:26 am

Yaker – nah, obama/clinton sets her up for 2016.

jm – warren buffet tells it like it is and you can’t slime him like george soros…

real john

August 15th, 2011
9:26 am

While I’m not wild about either, I would give the slight edge to Romney. I think he is a little more realistic at navigating Washington. As much as I would like to see many things changed in this country, the bottom line is that with 435 congressman and 50 senators you have to be willing to compromise on issues. Neither side ever gets all that they want.

Thats the problem with Bachman; she is totally unrealistic. While it makes for good soundbites, her unwillingness to look at reality makes her have zero accountability in my book. I think she will slowly fade away. She was born in Iowa and can appeal to the old folks there. Nothing against Iowa but its not exactly a diverse segment of the US population. I think she gets crushed as we get further along; at least I hope

poison pen

August 15th, 2011
9:27 am

Stands, Do you criticize your fellow dems when they rip on the repubs? just askin…

Granny Godzilla

August 15th, 2011
9:28 am

poison pen

Nope. Just got an eye for well fitting 501’s.

Just as I am sure that all the drooling over what’s her name from AK
was not a cry for missed hot monkey loving from the GOP…..

Perry remains HOT.

jm

August 15th, 2011
9:28 am

Mick – Buffett’s takeaway is tax the rich more. My position is: cut spending and make the system flatter. Keep in mind, lower income people get relatively huge benefit out of SS and Medicare that the wealthy don’t, and thus they pay higher employment income taxes for it. Its a cost of service.

pat

August 15th, 2011
9:29 am

Ok I am going to be reasonable here. I know in a place like this it’s almost comically useless to show measured reason but here is goes.

I think Perry has the only shot to beat Obama. Obama is wounded and probably at his weakness right now. None of the previous reps in the field had a chance even if obama is weak right now. This country has the shortest memory in all the world. So this time next year, people won’t remeber double dip recession, $1700 Gold and a dollar with the value of the mexican peso. Unless of course he keeps screwing the economy, then he’s done.
Economics is just not obama’s thing.

getalife

August 15th, 2011
9:30 am

Paul,

Told you.

Did you know when he was Democrat, he wrote the amendment that said he had to resign?

Yes, perry was a Democrat.

Mick

August 15th, 2011
9:30 am

paul

Sorry guy, we have already used up the quota of texas governors as president, only one or none allowed per century. The good hair man is all yours…

kayaker 71

August 15th, 2011
9:31 am

My son is a Texas A&M graduate, same as Perry, and lives in San Antonio. He told me last night that when Kay Bailey Hutchinson was running for governor, there were close to 60 very prominent and influential Aggies who were dead set on Perry winning anything in Texas. Couldn’t stand him. Usually Aggies stick together but in this case, Perry was certainly not their favorite son. He is pretty brash, has a tendency to steamroller over his opponents….. but someone in Texas likes him, at least for the last 11 or so years they have.

Joe the Plutocrat

August 15th, 2011
9:33 am

(ir)rational, you’re recounting of history is accurate, but as the saying goes; that was then, and this is now (both Founding Fathers, Lincoln, and Texas statehood). once toothpaste leaves the tube you cannot put it back in the tube. and you are correct; ALL politics is a manifestation of economic interests. the Founding Fathers penned the Declaration of Independence and Constitution for purely economic reasons. this is nothing new. what is new is the fact that out republic (by design or by malfeasance) has become an oilgarchy/plutocracy; so clowns like Perry, Bachman, and even my sometimes guy Ron Paul can yammer all they like about “the issues” at the end of the day, like Michael Corleone told Senator Geary; they’re all “…part of the same hypocrisy…”

alamodefender

August 15th, 2011
9:34 am

When I saw the poll results,I was surprised,then I realized there were Democrats voting,so naturally they went for the rino,Romney. “Hello,President Perry”!!!!!

Southern Comfort

August 15th, 2011
9:34 am

dB

They made references to Rep. Tim Scott from SC and how he thinks that the economy is causing Blacks to get disenchanted with Democrats. Have you heard this around here before:

**Tim Scott hit upon the basic strategy to win over black voters when he noted that as long as black voters continue to vote en masse at rates exceeding 90% for the Democratic candidate, it actually weakens their position because their support now becomes taken for granted by the Democrats.

**Second, Republicans need to marginalize the alleged self-appointed “voices” of the black community- people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who see racial bogeymen behind every political tree.

** In a way, the modern Republican Party, especially since the days of Reagan and perhaps Buckley, is not designed to reach out to groups on the basis of identity, but on the basis of ideals and values. Overcoming slowly and surely that belief that a political party is supposed to provide to some special group in return for votes is a tough belief to overcome. In short, the black community needs to realize that the alleged “protections” they receive from the Democratic Party is political slavery.

I think we’ve heard some variation of those themes ad nauseum around these here parts. You’re not gonna get my vote by clubbing me over the head with a Louisville Slugger and then say you’re doing it to help me. :roll: