Tea Party organizing to block transportation tax

Since the state Legislature approved letting citizens vote on a one-penny regional transportation tax next year, the concept has been opposed by members of the Georgia tea party movement.

Tea party officials say they distrust a regional tax and regional system, fearing it might displace local government. They also oppose using the tax to build transit projects that won’t support themselves entirely through the fare box, which in effect means they oppose all transit systems anywhere in the region. But most of all, as tea party coordinator Debbie Dooley acknowledges, the group intends to fight the regional tax “as a matter of principle,” because it is a tax.

“We’re going to do a lot of the same things we did to defeat the trauma care tax,” Dooley said. “We’re going to use social media to get the word out, and we’re going to raise money to run radio ads. We spent no money on the trauma-care tax.”

I understand the role they’re trying to play. It is healthy and necessary to have citizens who are willing to challenge government spending plans. That’s essential if self-government is to work, and to the extent that they perform that function, the tea party and its members are to be commended.

However, it’s one thing to ask tough questions and demand answers about a proposed tax. That’s good citizenship. But it’s something else to oppose a tax regardless of how those questions are answered, and regardless of the circumstances. That is a long-term strategy for failure.

Good citizenship requires that the questions go deeper than “Is it a tax?”, with all taxes rejected “as a matter of principle.” We have to ask: Is it a necessary tax? Will it be used for the purpose claimed? Do we have viable alternatives to the tax? What are the consequences of rejecting the tax?

What are its costs? What are its benefits?

Georgia ranks 49th in the country in per-capita spending on transportation. Look around you: Is Georgia 49th in the country in transportation needs? Have we matched needs with resources?

As civic journalist Maria Saporta recently noted, Georgia also spends a whopping 63 cents per capita on public transit each year, lower than any state in the country other than Idaho, Wyoming and Montana.

Again, look around you. Metro Atlanta is not Idaho, Wyoming and Montana. Those three sprawling Western states, with hundreds of thousands of square miles of sagebrush, prairie and mountains, have a combined population equal to that of Cobb, Gwinnett, DeKalb and Fulton counties.

They literally have twice as many beef cattle as people. They probably put in more miles on the saddle of a horse each year than they do in riding mass transit.

Our situation is not theirs.

If metro Atlanta is to prosper, we have to be willing to invest in our future, just as earlier generations did in building the railroads, the interstates, MARTA and Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. And somehow, we have to generate billions of dollars in revenue to make that investment.

It’s not going to come from the federal government. And state “leaders” have made it clear that they lack the guts to increase transportation revenue on their own. Even this baby step of allowing voters to make the decision on their own took years of arm-twisting and begging.

The original tea party colonists opposed taxation without representation, not taxation itself. The regional transportation tax takes it a step further and gives voters the power to tax themselves directly, rather than through elected officials.

So look at what happens if you say yes, and look at what happens if you say no, and decide accordingly.

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Gerald

August 9th, 2011
7:21 am

The Tea Party is here to stay. These impoliticos are the majority of Americans who never made the football team, the cheerleading squad or the debate club. Instead these are the under-nurtured, rumpled-clothed hoards who sat in the bleachers. They are the rubber-necked gawkers who cause all the traffic jams. They do have a valid political attitude about the economic importance of a political platform. Their ideology is born from W’s “hard work” mantra and Reagan’s smiling tongue-thrashing of Jimmy Carter. The peasants have stormed the Bastille. The queen is dead. The king is dead. Long live the madding crowd. The rabble. The impossible odds of impolite ne’er-do-wells finally doing quite well, thank you.

It really is about a cause. A good cause is never lost. It’s simply renamed. Economic Blackmail isn’t a bad cause; it’s an evil tool to achieve the ends that justify the means. That great end is lower taxes for everyone. Smaller government. A sacred interpretation of our bill of rights. A citizenry of productive workers who use the system to inject their war-mongering mojo and spawn even more productive workers.

There. I’ve defined a bee colony as any entomologist would or could. That’s right. The Tea Party is leading us along the Apiarian Way. Now I feel like doing a dance about the direction this country is heading. The Twist. The Mashed Potatoe. The Macarena (and cheese)……

Only a witch can save us now. Look what the Born Again Birthers have done. It kind of turns me on to think about a presidential witch. It’s like what Jerry Seinfeld said: If a country is standing around, unemployed, doing nothing, then pick up a broom!

Christine O’donnell 2012: The Hocus Pocus Caucus

Thomas

August 9th, 2011
7:31 am

Great, great article in Bloomberg about the positive effects and caring of the poor by the “tea party” rep in Maine. Sometimes we are too blindly stubborn to see who is really helping us over the long term.

Lenna’s declaration, made at an April 8 public meeting, has laid bare a fight over whether Maine, where 12.6 percent of residents live below the poverty line, should try to save taxpayers’ money by holding open bond auctions in place of the privately negotiated debt sales it has relied on for decades.

Maine Treasurer Bruce Poliquin, who was endorsed for the post last year by Tea Party-backed Governor Paul LePage, leaves no doubt that the way the state borrows money for public works must change.

“I do not buy the argument that there is a free lunch,” Poliquin, who criticized Lenna at the April bond bank meeting, said in a telephone interview. “All of these expenses that are included in the price of the deal are paid for by the small towns in Maine through sewer fees or the water fees or local taxes whenever we borrow money for them.”

Jm

August 9th, 2011
7:35 am

Atlanta is dumb if it doesn’t find a way to fix it’s gridlock. Toll lane funded expansion would be better, but regional planning is a necessity.

Really it’s a failure in state leadership.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
7:37 am

all these half-wits who don’t want to pay taxes and don’t believe in government should go out and form their own country.

go.

just leave, already.

you seem to think you can do it sooooooooo much better, I’m sure Greece has a few islands they’d sell you for a song. Go there. let the grown-ups get on with things

TaxPayer

August 9th, 2011
7:40 am

The Tea Party seems to have more in common with a mob than anything else. I think they have been conditioned quite well over the years to behave as they do thanks primarily to the efforts of people like Rush, Neal, Hannity, et al. Good job.

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
7:42 am

mornin’, Jay.

And state “leaders” have made it clear that they lack the guts to increase transportation revenue on their own.

Why, how shrill.

Normal

August 9th, 2011
7:42 am

The Tea Party is still like a toddler with a gun…only bad things can happen…

Joel Edge

August 9th, 2011
7:43 am

“as a matter of principle,”
Good to see somebody doing something on the basis of principles, Jay.

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
7:45 am

The Tea Party seems to have more in common with a mob than anything else.

as did the original one. Drunken, racist hooligans, from what I can ascertain from the rather sketchy history on the subject.

Gordon

August 9th, 2011
7:46 am

This is the consequence of not having any money. The state is broke, the nation is broke, lots of cities are broke, lots of people are broke…

Maybe this is a good idea. But we’re broke. Get used to it. And get used to days like yesterday.

Jm

August 9th, 2011
7:46 am

The tea party is not the problem folks. The new liberal boogeyman: tea partiers. Lurking around every corner and at the end of every dark alley!

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
7:47 am

Joel – “Good to see somebody doing something on the basis of principles, Jay.”

“a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind” – RW Emerson

jasper

August 9th, 2011
7:49 am

Blame Bush, blame the tea party, distract the masses, obfuscate the facts. Cat’s out of the bag liberals, and so are all of your tricks. Everyone knows about the Krugman and Kerry plan to flood the media with Tea Party madness, report the financial crisis, but make sure to include blame-game in the headline. Your charlatan looked scared yesterday. He simply doesn’t know what to do. This wasn’t in the script, and there is no plan B for democratic leadership, not there was a plan A either. Obama may not be the worst president we’ve ever had, but he sure is the unluckiest, and in the final analysis, there’s just no difference. Ask Jimmy Carter.

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
7:49 am

USinUK – when all those people you wish to leave the country does so, how will socialist, excuse me, Democrats pay for things?

Jm

August 9th, 2011
7:50 am

Yeah partiers! Soooooo scary!

Doggone/GA

August 9th, 2011
7:50 am

“Good to see somebody doing something on the basis of principles, Jay”

A stubborn jackass won’t move as a matter of principle

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
7:51 am

Anyway, lest we miss the point of Jay’s piece–obviously we need to raise revenues to beef up transportation in this state.

However, with a coddled voting constituency that’s been told, for decades now, to be fearful of paying for someone else’s infrastructure in some other part of the state that you might not ever set foot? Sadly, prolly Na Gone Duit, still.

(I say probably because there ARE enough disaffected/apathetic voters out there in GA who could probably be convinced to get off their butts and change this if a certain opposition party could get its act together.)

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
7:52 am

Johnny Reb – yeah – cuz none of us have jobs, right? we’re all laze-abouts waiting for our gummint cheese :roll:

I guess that’s why CA and NY are net DONORS of federal taxes and red states are net RECIPIENTS

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
7:53 am

Maybe this is a good idea. But we’re broke.

One can practically feel the optimism, the patriotism, the can-do spirit, can’t one?

Jimmy62

August 9th, 2011
7:53 am

So now the Tea Party isn’t racist, they’re just against new taxes?

Well at least you are finally starting to listen to what they say rather than making up BS about racism. The Tea Party has been pretty consistent about being fiscally conservative since day one, something no other political group can claim.

The real shame is that a supposedly smart person like Bookman took two years to figure out that the Tea Party means what they say, not what the media says about them.

Joel Edge

August 9th, 2011
7:56 am

“A stubborn jackass won’t move as a matter of principle”
You posted a mouthful there. Now take that thought and rotate it 180 degrees. You’ll be looking back at forty plus years of government growth and waste. Keep watching though. It ain’t over yet.

Bud Wiser

August 9th, 2011
7:56 am

“But it’s something else to oppose a tax regardless of how those questions are answered, and regardless of the circumstances. That is a long-term strategy for failure.

Good citizenship requires that the questions go deeper than “Is it a tax?”, with all taxes rejected “as a matter of principle.” We have to ask: Is it a necessary tax? Will it be used for the purpose claimed? Do we have viable alternatives to the tax? What are the consequences of rejecting the tax?” -Bookman

” “We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” …..” “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

Now I do not mean to insult your intelligence Bookman, after all, PSU is a fine university.

But I think you could easily apply these statements and comparisons to the current economic and political environments, and I believe I know who the majority of functionally literate Americans would choose when asked to select between the different opinions, and the applications thereof.

Your side has failed Bookman. You had a democrat president, House, and Senate. They failed to put forward a budget in their entire sitting time. They failed to correct the mistakes of their predecessors, choosing instead simply to throw their hands up in the air and ‘blame Bush’. They have presented absolutely no plan to escape, but simply fall back on the liberal mantra of higher taxes, ANY taxes, as the end-all solution.

Obama appointed a tax cheat to a cabinet level position, and his dimwit congress confirmed him.

Obama had a health care plan rammed down the throats of Americans, most of whom opposed it (62% by polling), then had his minions crow ” you’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it…”. So far, what we have seen is an added $3 Trillion to the debt, $500 Billion taken away from seniors through Medicare, and things like FREE Medicare for illegals here if they are over the age of 65.

THAT’s what we have seen.

And we are sick of it – sick of Congress, sick of Obama, sick of cronyism, sick of taxes as the only ‘answer’ the democrats have, and just plain sick of seeing a plan to spend our way out of trouble as the catastrophic failure it was warned to be.

Sick of the arrogance, sick of the apologizing for America, sick of bowing to those that extort us financially, sick of the lecturing to us like we have no brain, sick of the name calling, we are just plain sick and tired of your left wing liberal agenda.

Liberalism has failed, and this time it is taking the whole country down with it.

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
7:57 am

The Transportation Tax vote is con. Every county wants more back than they will put in. Not suprisingly, the majority of projects are designed to benefit the North side of town. When the group puts a project on the table to address the gridlock on I-75 from Mt Zion to past McDonough, it might get some support in the South. Otherwise, forget it. The North Side can pay their own way.

SpikeDDS

August 9th, 2011
7:57 am

As a Tea Party supporter, what I detest about articles like this is it paints a picture that the only two answers to a proposed tax are “yes” or “no.” Not true. There are other options, one of which being instead of taking more taxes from the population we take funds from a less-important program and redirect it to something more important. It’s called a LIVING ON A BUDGET!

I think we all can agree that local transportation is not what it should be. But that alone doesn’t justify yet another tax, especially since–thanks to our White House administration–we are at risk of being further taxed at that level.

I’ve NEVER received a straight answer from any liberal to this question: “What is the percentage of one’s income over which it is morally unjustified under ANY circumstance to forcefully take a higher percentage to give to the government?” There IS something morally wrong about taking too much, especially when half the country isn’t paying ANYTHING to the federal system.

But in balance, I feel better about giving to a more-local government if the program is well-defined and the tax stops when it is supposed to. But the GA-400 toll is a perfect example of why local government cannot be trusted to do this. Hence, our aversion to new taxes.

Normal

August 9th, 2011
7:57 am

Jay’s first sentence…

“Since the state Legislature approved letting citizens vote on a one-penny regional transportation tax next year, the concept has been opposed by members of the Georgia tea party movement.”My question is why oppose a thing that will be voted on, and if approved, then as our way of life dictates, the will of the many overrides the will of the few?

It seems that the Tea Party would rather use fascist ploys to prevent the will of the people…again, why?

oldtimer

August 9th, 2011
8:00 am

NO more taxes for anything. If public trasportation is so great, let the market place pay for it. And I am not a tea party member. I am just tired of spending…

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
8:00 am

USinUK – come back when you know the true story of the Atlanta region and how it’s following in the footsteps of Detriot being born of government social engineering.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:01 am

Johnny – 8:00 – :lol: yeah. other than being a native, working and going to school there, what do I know.

and if you think Atlanta is anything like Detroit, you really don’t understand single-economies vs. diversified.

Bud Wiser

August 9th, 2011
8:04 am

USinUK
August 9th, 2011
7:37 am

all these half-wits who don’t want to pay taxes and don’t believe in government should go out and form their own country.

You mean like you have already done?

I would be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that of the roughly half of Americans that currently pay no taxes whatsoever, at least 2/3 of them are, if registered to vote at all, are democrats.

Don’t ask me why I say this, but the only logical conclusion I can come up with so far is that those who continually take and never contribute, then squeal like little pigs when their suet is withheld, are most likely to support those who promise to feed, clothe, house and cover their med bills at no cost to them – bills? Let the other guy pay for it.

No wonder the democrats always want more taxes, they have a growing empire of indentured servants to feed (the use of the word ’slaves’ would be politically incorrect and is why I chose not to use it).

@@

August 9th, 2011
8:04 am

They probably put in more miles on the saddle of a horse each year than they do in riding mass transit.

Sounds good to me! If only it didn’t snow there.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:08 am

“You mean like you have already done?”

marrying someone is forming your own gummint??? wow. I don’t remember that in the vows.

“I would be willing to bet a substantial amount of money that of the roughly half of Americans that currently pay no taxes whatsoever, at least 2/3 of them are, if registered to vote at all, are
democrats.”

of course you have no facts, no data, nothing other than the voices in your head to substantiate that opinion, so you know what you can do with it.

“No wonder the democrats always want more taxes”

crazy us, we believe in paying for what you use – not leaving the bill for your children.

godless heathen

August 9th, 2011
8:08 am

“just leave, already.”

As USinUK already has.

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
8:10 am

USinUK – you probably think the government intervention that produced white flight was OK? Just like you probably think it’s OK for those who ride mass transit have their fares subsidized by taxpayers.

Quick

August 9th, 2011
8:10 am

As the late, great Clarke Stallworth used to say, “What does it cost me, and what do I get?”

AmVet

August 9th, 2011
8:11 am

But it’s something else to oppose a tax regardless of how those questions are answered, and regardless of the circumstances. That is a long-term strategy for failure.

It goes to a lack of intellectual honesty. A dearth of in-depth knowledge. And an absence of moral courage.

Much of the TP’s Joe Bidened parroted sloganeering comes nearly verbatim from the GOP’s “leadership”.

And as the old saying about putting lipstick on a pig goes, fundamentally the Tea Party platform, in numerous aspects and in numerous areas of policy, is little more than recycled Republibabble.

And just the lunatic fringe’s lunatic fringe.

Emmanuel Hall

August 9th, 2011
8:11 am

I may also oppose that one cent transportation tax, not because it is a tax, but that I must be assured that any new system will serve the areas where it is needed the most. I am still upset that the west MARTA line has been stuck at the H.E. Holmes (Hightower) sta.for decades.
The west line should have long ago been extended to Fulton Indutrial Blvd. And with plans for south Dekalb county and Camp creek Pkwy. The west line is the only direction that the train does not reach I-285.
I cannot justify paying for a service that finds a way to go two directions north but will do as little as possible for its customer who need and use it the most.
I will take a wait and see position until a new regional transportation plan is revealed.

Granny Godzilla

August 9th, 2011
8:12 am

No Transportation. No Growth.

G’head. Let the Tea Party make that choice for Georgia, they have such a track record for success.

Got bicycles?

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
8:12 am

AmVet – tell us, is it painful to be soooo full of yourself this early in the morning?

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:15 am

“USinUK – you probably think the government intervention that produced white flight was OK? Just like you probably think it’s OK for those who ride mass transit have their fares subsidized by taxpayers.”

in reverse order, YES, I believe mass trans should be supported / subsidized by taxpayers – just like roads and bridges

as far as gov’t “causing” white flight, if the policies haven’t changed, how can you explain the migration back IN to the cities?

The 2010 racial composition of Atlanta was:

Black or African American: 226,894 or 54.0%, vs. 61.4% in 2000
White: 161,115 or 38.4%, vs. 33.2% in 2000

sorry, but the data doesn’t support your hypothesis.

better luck next time.

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
8:17 am

I’ve NEVER received a straight answer from any liberal to this question: “What is the percentage of one’s income over which it is morally unjustified under ANY circumstance to forcefully take a higher percentage to give to the government?” There IS something morally wrong about taking too much, especially when half the country isn’t paying ANYTHING to the federal system.

You’re either completely full of it, or simply not paying attention.

Restoring the Clinton era income tax rates would be enough “confiscation” for most of us dirty steenking hippies here. We might differ a bit as to how quickly such tax hikes should be implemented–my inclination is to phase them in with the upper incomers going first, and the lower incomes getting their hit a year or two later–but generally, that’s what we mean when we say over and over and over again, let the damn Bush tax cuts expire already.

And if you realize this, you’d stop asking your silly hypotheticals about “how much is too much?” I don’t especially give a crap, and neither should any rational person, since that’s not on the table here, there, or anywhere.

straight enough answer for ya, or do I need to use crayons?

larry

August 9th, 2011
8:17 am

G’head. Let the Tea Party make that choice for Georgia, they have such a track record for success.

Pretty soon they will be going after Georgia’s AAA rating.

But, remember , they dont care if we default. They dont think nothing will happen.

I guess that is why , according to the latest WP/CBS news poll, over 40% of Americans disapprove of the tea tards. And that number is growing.

Jm

August 9th, 2011
8:17 am

Usinuk, your 8:08 is completely disingenuous. If that were the case, liberals would be calling for massive tax increases on the lower and middle classes.

DagnyT

August 9th, 2011
8:18 am

“Will it be used for the purpose claimed?”
As evidenced by Georgia 400, NO. Therefore I vote NO. Until the government proves it handles my money with care and for the intended purpose, the answer is NO.

real john

August 9th, 2011
8:19 am

Jay,

It doesn’t happen often, but I must say I agree with you on this one. If you don’t want the tax you can vote against it. While I don’t like more taxes either, this is one I feel like Georgia does need. I’m not one of these who think that light speed is the end all, but we do need some improvements in Atlanta Metro.

godless heathen

August 9th, 2011
8:19 am

“They [TP] also oppose using the tax to build transit projects that won’t support themselves entirely through the fare box, which in effect means they oppose all transit systems anywhere in the region.”

Yup. If something is a good idea it will pay for itself.

Instead of acting like a bunch of WATBs over the Tea Party, that tiny minority consisting of ignorant-azz Neanderthals, why don’t the big government money-grabbers just “organize” and get the word out that this is proposed tax is good for the region?

Tea Party

August 9th, 2011
8:19 am

The real Sword of Damocles: It IS social security. An entitlement too far. The Baby Boomers are expecting the Y-bother generation to accept economic slavery as a reward for inventing sex, drugs and rock’n'roll.

A generational war is brewing, more than a partisan war. Is there one Tea Party member who has rejected their right to a government check?

The young against the old. For the first time in history. Who deserves to win?

(and yes, I did have to google sword of damocles to see how to spell it).

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
8:20 am

USinUK – you are obviously a young adult. Government tinkering and white flight started in the 60’s.

Harold

August 9th, 2011
8:20 am

Does the TEA party oppose tax money for roads that do not entirely support themselves? I am thinking …. NOT. They put the a in hypocrites. hypocri-TEAS.

President Hussein

August 9th, 2011
8:20 am

Yeah USinUK, all that great public transportation….allows all those thugs to go from all over London to start riots, loot, and burn buildings. Glad you’re in the UK… Please stay there!

cosby smith

August 9th, 2011
8:20 am

Ahh..those nasty Tea Partiers….Well Jay The Tea Party did not spend this country, this State and The Region into unsustainable debt. Perhaps before we increase taxes we should look at how the tax revenue is currently being spent. Yea, lets play the fear mongering and say Georgia ranks low on public Transportation, but lets look at where Georgia is spending – waisting the money to start with. Perhaps if we cut funding on unfunded mandates by the Federal government we could spend more on Transportation. but, as usual, Jay and the elite media play the hate blame game. Keep up the hate speech Jay and you may see London in the streets of Atlanta…coming soon courtsey of Jay!!

Vote for Pedro

August 9th, 2011
8:21 am

The public at large requires transportation. Public transit (public vehicles and public routes) is BY FAR the cheapest method of transporting the public, but the TEA party wants the gub’ment to subsidize their use of private motor vehicles for going everywhere they want. Something STINKS. What kind of tea are they drinking? SHROOM TEA?

Left wing management

August 9th, 2011
8:22 am

The original tea party colonists opposed taxation without representation, not taxation itself.

But to a radical — particularly one who fetishizes the private market — taxation is always “without representation”.

Truth

August 9th, 2011
8:23 am

Go Tea Party!

Normal

August 9th, 2011
8:23 am

“The young against the old. For the first time in history. Who deserves to win?”

This is laughable, but I will add this: “Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill”. :lol:

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
8:23 am

all that great public transportation….allows all those thugs to go from all over London to start riots

If only we could tap the energy of the stupid.

Peadawg

August 9th, 2011
8:24 am

“Tea party officials say they distrust a regional tax” – You can’t blame them for not trusting the gov’t to spend our money where they say it will be spent.

AmVet

August 9th, 2011
8:24 am

Reb, by us, do you mean yourself and your pocket gerbil? Or do you speak for others here? If so, please give me that list, so that I can clear discussions with them through you first, OK?

Hint, using a plural pronoun does not make your argument anymore compelling – stand on your own feet, without that crutch.

And in lieu of reasoned disagreement and intelligently taking exception with that analysis, childish insults is the best you can do?

Not much of a shocker there…

Jay

August 9th, 2011
8:24 am

I always get a kick out of this “mass transit must pay for itself” line.

The street outside your house is a publicly provided transportation system. Does it “pay for itself?”

Do other people pay for that street with their tax money, but never use it?

Truth

August 9th, 2011
8:25 am

Why would any sane person want to give more money or power to “Government”. Give me one example where government has been good stewards of our money or more efficient than the private sector.

stands for decibels

August 9th, 2011
8:25 am

the TEA party wants the gub’ment to subsidize their use of private motor vehicles for going everywhere they want. Something STINKS. What kind of tea are they drinking? SHROOM TEA?

They’re drinking the “Got mine, f— you” blend.

Messenger #1

August 9th, 2011
8:25 am

cosby smith
Keep up the hate speech Jay and you may see London in the streets of Atlanta…coming soon courtsey of Jay!!

Reverse course…you might see this happening because of the hate that has been spewed by the likes of Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Newt Gingrich and of course the “good ole boy” party (Tea and Republican). Get a grip!!

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:27 am

Johnny Reb- while I appreciate the compliment, I’m firmly ensconsed in mid-life, thankyewverymuch – I know exactly what I’m talking about.

YOU seem to want to remain stuck in the past and ignore the fact that the “white flight” is no more – they’re moving back to the cities where you can WALK to shops and restaurants and get to work by train or bus.

JM – we think the poor and middle-class has been bearing the brunt of conservative tinkering – we are proposing the restoration of Clinton-era taxes -

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 9th, 2011
8:27 am

First the Tea Party Downgrade, now the Tea Party Gridlock. “Principles” without comprehension, without thought, and without a clue are meaningless….Principles applied as absolutes in a world of greys is just stupidity and the government officials and Tea morons who embrace this demonstrate their inability to live in the real world.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:28 am

“If only we could tap the energy of the stupid.”

we could light Las Vegas for a decade if today’s commenters are any example …

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
8:28 am

“all these half-wits who don’t want to pay taxes and don’t believe in government should go out and form their own country. ”

Once, long ago on the old blog, Dave R., and I had a conversation about that. His take was that he would like this because a country with no one but conservatives would never have problems because conservatives all work hard and don’t need govt. assistance (if I am remembering correctly).

cs

August 9th, 2011
8:28 am

The Tea party is right on this one. If a local government wishes to raise taxes to pay for transportation then let that local government through its citizens decide the matter. I dont desire three counties of crooks deciding where a pool of money is going to be spent and on what. This notion of regional taxes is as crazy as the runaway corporate welfare being doled out by development authorities all over the state and country.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:28 am

“Go Tea Party!”

yes. keep going … keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep going … yes, I know the ocean is wet, but keeeeeeeeeeeep going … just a little farther …

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:29 am

Bosch – 8:28 – sounds about right.

:roll:

Peadawg

August 9th, 2011
8:29 am

“First the Tea Party Downgrade”

Aaaaannnndddd I quit reading…

Moral Tax Laws

August 9th, 2011
8:30 am

Antitrust: Does any one individual deserve to make billions? No.

Even if that person is taxed at 99%, and he still makes billions, then he should be taxed higher and higher until he gets what a reasonable person can live with, Millions, maybe, but not a thousand million. Tens of millions is enough. Income should be capped at 50 or 60 million. or less, depending on how our inner Mao feels that legislative session.

We live with six billion others. No one person should command more than a fair share of resources. or else? or else?

Or else there will be war. (but, you say, there already is war).

Oh yeah. I forgot. Nevermind. If we are destined to destroy ourselves then who are we to object?
Lets all Carry on with our slide into chaos. The tax code is good as it is.

jm

August 9th, 2011
8:30 am

Jay

“The street outside your house is a publicly provided transportation system. Does it “pay for itself?””

Yes, through gas taxes and local property taxes.

Vote for Pedro

August 9th, 2011
8:30 am

No, the street outside your house is NOT a publicly provided transportation system. It is merely HARDENED GROUND. ALONE IT DOES NOTHING BUT CAUSE RUNOFF ISSUES WHEN IT RAINS.

To get ANY transportation use from a road, you… YOU.. YOU YOU YOU .. must either walk, purchase and operate a bicycle for $hundreds, purchase and operate a motor vehicle for $THOUSANDS PER YEAR.

If we were to consider the private money spent annually on making use of roads when “comparing private cars on public roads” to “public transit,” there would be no comparison! Private cars the most expensive way to get around Atlanta, by BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

Unfortunately we count the price of the public operating their private cars the same way we count the prices of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars .. WE DON’T COUNT THEM and then wonder why we are broke.

jm

August 9th, 2011
8:31 am

Jay 8:24 – you’re going to have to do better than that….. come on….

bob

August 9th, 2011
8:31 am

USinUK, how about all those that think they can live off of taxpayers go form their own country. It’s funny how many bash the tea partiers as a group that does not want to pay taxes yet feel it’s fine to actually live off taxpayers.

Vote for Pedro

August 9th, 2011
8:32 am

It should be make illegal for public transportation dollars to be used for any public system that does not itself transport people. Roads don’t go nowhere. They just sit there. SO… NO PUBLIC MONEY FOR ROADS!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 9th, 2011
8:33 am

The street outside your house is a publicly provided transportation system. Does it “pay for itself?””

Yes, through gas taxes and local property taxes.

How funny, jm does not even realize that he has just agreed with Jay and that the mantra that transportation should pay for itself does not hold up to scrutiny….

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:33 am

“Yes, through gas taxes and local property taxes.”

in other words, taxpayer-subsidized

David

August 9th, 2011
8:33 am

OMG! A grass root political movement that centers around smaller government, lower taxes, and more government accountability doesn’t like the idea of a new regional tax! STOP THE PRESS! THANK GOD, or whom ever, that JAY BOOKMAN is here to point this out!
How about this? What if Government took the time to Fix their financial house, cut waste and abuse, and then set a clear goal of what Government should do. Then we can start talking about new taxes and new programs. If Mr. Bookman and very other liberal who just wants to dismiss the Tea Party would undertand that taking badly about the movement won’t make it go away. The whole point is that WE THE PEOPLE are tired of every solution to every problem government ever sees is higher taxes and a new role for government.

Messenger #1

August 9th, 2011
8:33 am

Georgia’s problems run deep and can be reflected upon the type of leadership that “Sonny Perdue” chose! If you want to blame someone call him up and ask him how he feels about the crisis that is occurring in this state. It all “started” on his watch. We have a pure Republican Administration that will continue to lead the least educated down the path of destruction.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:33 am

bob – I’ll write this slowly since you don’t get it:

EVERYONE.

PAYS.

TAXES.

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
8:34 am

“It’s funny how many bash the tea partiers as a group that does not want to pay taxes yet feel it’s fine to actually live off taxpayers”

What’s even FUNNIER is that lots of those old tea turds live off the government.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:34 am

keep up – it’s not so much funny “haha” as it is funny-sad

Shias and Tigris and Burkas, (oh my)

August 9th, 2011
8:35 am

Our crumbling infrastructure didn’t need an enemy shock and awe to destroy it. Time is that enemy. We spent our road money in Iraq. They have nice roads now. Nice sewers. Nice grid. Nice folks there. In Iraq. It’s so nice what we done did for ‘em. I feel nice now.

Don’t you?

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:35 am

Bosch – KEEP GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY SOCIAL SECURITY!!!

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
8:35 am

“The whole point is that WE THE PEOPLE are tired of every solution to every problem government ever sees is higher taxes and a new role for government.”

Well, if that is the POINT then, why doesn’t private companies step up to take those roles?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

August 9th, 2011
8:35 am

USinUK… yes, very sad….as in “Keep your government hands off my medicare” sad….

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
8:36 am

USinUK,

“AND MY MEDICARE!!! Gosh darnit! And stay off my lawn!!!”

jd

August 9th, 2011
8:36 am

United we stand, divided we fall. Ironic the Tea Party will destroy what it says it wants to save as it works to defeat united efforts to improve the greater good. If they wish to live in a state of nature, let them. Just leave us out of it.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:37 am

Bosch – 8:36 – (chuckling) – thanks, I needed a laugh

Realtalk

August 9th, 2011
8:37 am

Live Free or Die Atlantans!Tea Pary is here to stay. For those of you who don’t know, it is time to get educated. We are going to take our country back for the People, By the People.
All Slimy Career Politicians,. Get Ready, We are coming for you! Dems and Rebubs better watch out.

Our Great City is Still Too Busy to Hate! Do something postive and count our blessings.

Peadawg

August 9th, 2011
8:38 am

“What’s even FUNNIER is that lots of those old tea turds live off the government.”

Yup, b/c there are no young tea partiers…just “old turds”. Be careful with that broad brush, Bosch (say that 5 times fast).

godless heathen

August 9th, 2011
8:38 am

Fuel taxes pay for the roads and bridges. If you don’t drive, you pay nothing for the roads and bridges.

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
8:38 am

“Our Great City is Still Too Busy to Hate!”

Yeah, the city might be, but alot of the citizens aren’t.

Donovan

August 9th, 2011
8:39 am

The Tea Party is the nation’s conscience. It puts out information and warnings of government abuse and failures. What is so wrong with that?Jay Bookman and his gang of liberal followers fear the idea of any such entity that rings the bell of responsibility.

Anyone who opposes the idea of letting the government control your life is marked as an extremist. After all, those who rock the boat are interferring with the Democrat ideology of tax and spend.

Governmental management knows of nothing but taking in “revenues” and then wasting such “revenues” with entitlements, corruption, and eternal toll booths in the name of societal enrichment.

Anytime taxes are suggested to fix problems there will be a natural knee-jerk reaction from the Tea Party, based on generations of Democrat malfeasence.

jm

August 9th, 2011
8:39 am

USinUK 8:33 / and Keep – and you haven’t thought enough through how “user fees” work. Property taxes pay for your local street and gas taxes pay for your highways. The two are (historically) closely correlated. The property tax gets the road to your house, the highway is paid by those who use. (Ignoring the lack of guts to raise the gas tax for a moment.) Meanwhile, fares on MARTA DO NOT pay for the costs of supporting that system.

In other words, there is far more subsidization of MARTA than roads. Turn on your brain folks. Its there for a reason. Use it.

carlosgvv

August 9th, 2011
8:39 am

Since the Tea Party is so intent on blocking tax increases “as a matter of principle”, I wish they would come to DeKalb County and block the property tax increases I’ve had to pay every year for the last three years. Oh wait!! I forgot!! This would not give them the national publicity they so desperately crave.

Tea Party Hobbit

August 9th, 2011
8:39 am

Hmmm…old vs young. Some think that’s what the Tea Party is about, apparently. Really? What side would they come down on.

Consider this (and my name which indicates my persuasion) – the question I have – how much longer will my generation (I am in my 30s) have to keep enduring the idea of paying more and more taxes into the bloated inefficent social programs set up by my parents’ and grandparents’ generations? Especially considering I will never see one DIME of what I am dumping into Social Security, along with all the other social program trains headed toward the bridge that has collapsed into the ravine.

Before you go calling me ungrateful – hear this. I don’t want to see Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. fail. I want to see them made solvent, made responsible. I do not owe the older generations taking care of their needs to the end of my own, and with zilch hope for my children’s generation. And you idiot liberals want to talk about fairness!

Adam

August 9th, 2011
8:39 am

Just out of curiosity, who’s 50th in the nation?

JohnnyReb

August 9th, 2011
8:39 am

Jay, your 8:24 is not surprising considering your idiology, however, I find it humorous since it comes from a guy who held on to the same rice burner for over 20 years!

Look, let’s be candid. Old guys like me look at mass transit as just another form of welfare.

USinUK

August 9th, 2011
8:40 am

““Our Great City is Still Too Busy to Hate!””

used to be – now, it’s just too stuck in traffic to hate.