Recalls in Wisconsin, Rick Perry’s White House run, etc.

It’s all the Tea Party’s fault.

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About the CNN poll: No demographics = No significance. Even worse than Rasmussen, wouldn’t you say, Jay? Didn’t you find it somewhat interesting that the “random, ahem, respondents” were evenly divided when it came to democrats? Did you even care once you saw it helped your cause?

First poll of its type… Yep, pure horse hockey.

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Jay,can you tell me what is a recall all about or tell me where I can go to learn about it?
Please and thank you!

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I think that after watching Bozo’s news conference today, anyone the Repubs put up could beat him. What a sophomoric attempt at being presidential. Perry is a good choice. Romney is gearing up for a liberal onslaught that the liberals feel is necessary to win. They seem to have nothing else except vilifying rhetoric against any opponent who disagrees with them.

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the unions are driving the recall effort.. what a shocker…

obama gets on tv and blames the tea party for preventing his plan from being able to “save” us.. only problem was.. obama never had a plan.. but dont let the truth get in the way of some good teleprompter time..

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Never mind Jay! I found something about it.

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We don’t always need be at one another’s throat, do we?
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A blonde lady motorist was about two hours from San Diego when she was flagged down by a man whose truck had broken down. The man walked up to the car and asked, “Are you going to San Diego?”

“Sure,” answered the blonde, “do you need a lift?”
“Not for me. I’ll be spending the next three hours fixing my truck. My problem is I’ve got two chimpanzees in the back which have to be taken to the San Diego Zoo. They’re a bit stressed already so I don’t want to keep them on the road all day. Could you possibly take them to the zoo for me? I’ll give you $100 for your trouble.”

“I’d be happy to,” said the blonde. So the two chimpanzees were ushered into the back seat of the blonde’s car and carefully strapped into their seat belts, and off they went.

Five hours later, the truck driver was driving through the heart of San Diego when suddenly he was horrified! There was the blonde walking down the street, holding hands with the two chimps, much to the amusement of a big crowd. With a screech of brakes he pulled off the road and ran over to the blond. “What the hell are you doing here?” he demanded, “I gave you $100 to take these chimpanzees to the zoo.”

“Yes, I know you did,” said the blonde. “But we had money left over so now we’re going to Sea World.”

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Off to a meeting. Watch out for those scientific CNN polls, they bite

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Put ‘em all in one place and blow ‘em all the hell up…

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Thanks Jay!!

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s&p.. if you dont cut your budget.. we are going to downgrade you.. what part of that was too complicated for the democratic party to understand?

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I do find it interesting how so many blame a movement that didn’t even exist when the 14 trillion debt was accumulated………………………..

A bit like blaming a group of doctors deciding how best to dress a wound………………the wound is the problem.

And both parties had all 3 segments of the gov’t in the not too distant past, and neither addressed the wound………so get over it.It’s time to find a solution…………or keep the status quo…….yeh, that sounds like it would fix the problem………..

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Polls like these are like a baseball score after the third inning. It’s interesting, it might suggest an eventual outcome but there’s a whole lot more ball to play.

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Power to the People! (**raises fist**)

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Vacation + jury duty = a lot of backed up work. This is just an observation and isn’t meant to come off as racist, but the largest collection of white people in Fulton County is in the jury pool.

Hi jewcowboy! Not to come off racist either,but,whites are more likely to show up to do their duty as a citizen. And no y’all,I ain’t got no link!

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Recall Obama? One can dream can’t they? Oh well. We only have roughly 17 months till he’s out of office anyway. How much more damage do you really think he can do in another 17 months anyhow? Never mind. Don’t answer that question.

Rick Perry is going to wipe the floor with the community organizer. Book it!

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Analogy of the year.

Blaming the tea party for the downgrade is like blaming the guy for calling 911 to report a fire.

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jm,

“sounds like you’re suggesting the US is really only single A, not double A”

I tend to think the US is a bit better than CDO’s or Lehman Brothers. And that is not even taking into account S&P’s $2T mistake!

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jewcowboy

I was talking not long ago with one of my latino colleagues who’s heavily involved in voter registration and this is one of the points he makes to those he’s trying to see the need for voter registration. So many people never stop to think about this aspect of voter registration and it’s not something that receives a lot of attention. I was checking just now in the new social studies textbook and this is not even mentioned, much less made a lesson…It’s something I make a point (lesson) of…

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“Does S&P have any credibility?”

Obviously not, as investors poured into the very treasuries that were just downgraded.

Not bad for “not aaa” debt……………………

Here’s Paulson on the subject:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Disaster-Movie-Gets-a-Sequel-nytimes-2939191772.html?x=0&.v=1

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Trying to take a poll and a special election result and use it as a trend is not very bright. They are both single points in time, and largely manufactured by media hype.

Since special elections are done to satisfy special interests and not the interests of the electorate at large, I suspect that 4 or more seats will revert to Democrat control in Wisconsin, especially given it’s historically Democrat leanings. I doubt that there will be sufficient energy to recall Scott Walker if that happens, however.

As to the polls, they’ll fluctuate as they always do, depending on what Washington does in the next 6-9 months. Right now, though, this poll without any details behind it merely reflects the negative reporting of the Republicans and Tea Party-ers by the main stream media over the past few weeks in an attempt to prop up Hope & Downgrade’s ™ dismal performance.

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md, jinxx lol

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Actually, jewcowboy, without the Tea Party, Congress would have simply raised our debt limit with no spending cuts at all, which S&P said would have lowered our rating as well.

Thulsa’s analogy is quite correct.

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Wow, can you believe some FOX News hack said “Obama inherited a AAA rating from George W. Bush” ?

Wow, did you hear some halfwit congressman from Texas — no doubt the Texas answer to Paul Broun — said Obama should be impeached?

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md / Don’t Forget,

“Obviously not, as investors poured into the very treasuries that were just downgraded.”

“The flight to treasury bonds yesterday is just another example as investors did the exact OPPOSITE of what S & P recommended.”

Perhaps an update in lyrics is required: http://youtu.be/Jne9t8sHpUc

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Forgot about the Perry part of this column.

He’s an idiot.

Why would you wait until AFTER a national debate with your upcoming opponents to announce your candidacy? Sure, he’ll likely have less people to worry about following Ames, but not significantly so, and now you have to wait until who knows when to get on a stage to contrast yourself against them.

Not impressed with a lot of what he’s about, but this doesn’t do anything to impress me, either.

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So, now we’re off to blame it all on S&P…for what? Calling it like it T I is?

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Dave R,

I agree. Now is not the time elect someone to the White house who received a “D” in economics from Texas A&M.

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josef @ 5.42,

Did S&P call it like it is with Lehman Brothers or Credit Suisse’s CDO’s?

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josef

August 9th, 2011
5:42 pm

So, now we’re off to blame it all on S&P…for what? Calling it like it T I is?

Actually the subject was S&P credibility. They missed the mortgage based securities fraud and made a 2 trillion dollar error in the debt analysis. And if that isn’t enough, their job was to rate the debt and the market completely disagreed. Their political conclusions may have been correct but political punditry is inappropriate in financial analysis, IMO.

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And Merry Ole England is now burning because of its populations addiction to its socialistic and progressive social and economic policies. Once the bill came due for all their spending and there was no money left to pay for it, the spoiled populace turned violent. It is also happening here, although in a much more brutal fashion, in Wisconsin, Philadelphia and Chicago. The thugs here did it because they wanted violence and retribution against “the enemy”, as it were. They aren’t sophisticated enough (yet) to know that the milk cow is now officially dry. Yes, it is under-reported because of the American media’s wish that it will all just go away. “Flash Mob” is the moniker they currently go under here and what that particular term has come to mean is that it gives thugs cart-blanche to go out and and pillage, inflict personnal injury and to destroy. I congratulate the Mayor of Philadelphia for calling it like it is and taking action against these thugs. We need more men like him. The Mayor of Chicago, the illustrious Rham Emmanuel (Obama’s main man) did no such thing. The police in Great Britain can’t even carry firearms and the law abiding citizens certainly can’t. Now the law abiding citizens over there are blaming the police for not being able to protect them as they are not capable of protecting themselves. Over here, I wouldn’t suggest that the “Flash Mobbers” carry their corruption to the more, how should I say it, “well prepared” states in this country. They may be in for quite the surprise.

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“John Galt, how do you square Ayn Rand’s argument that altruism is evil with your own Christian faith?”

Huh? What needs to be “squared”?

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“John Galt, how do you square Ayn Rand’s argument that altruism is evil with your own Christian faith?”

Not to answer for Galt, but I would hazard that he’s by his faith in the teachings of the Christ and those of Ayn Rand in similiar fashion…pick and choose those that fit and ignore those that don’t…
I always find it amazing when a person of faith is a “follower” of Rand…have they never read what she had to say about believers?

jewcowboy…
I understand what you’re saying…but what I am referring to is their stance vis a vis the monkey shines from Belle Watling’s place in DC…

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Dave R.,

Your comment was “without the Tea Party, Congress would have simply raised our debt limit with no spending cuts at all”

My comment was not about S&P, but rather about the assumption that Congress would have simply raised the debt limit without the Orange Pekoe Brigade’s intransigence. You have no way of knowing that.

And point of fact, a good many of the OPB declared they would refuse to raise the debt under any circumstance. I’m sure that appeared reasonable to creditors.

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And pogo, not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!

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Let’s see if I got this straight, the libs are blaming the tea party for our economy and the S&P downgrade, at least according to a lot of you here and the liberal news outlets.

Are you all talking about the same sh***y economy that we have had for the past 8 or 10 years? is it that economy?
Or the same A$$holes that have been in power for the past 15 years?

Do you people even realize how stupid you sound. Seriously do you, to try and deflect to one group for all of our problems is really bizzar.

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Bosch, As long as it’s only a cape and not a trench coat, it’s ok.

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“My comment was not about S&P, but rather about the assumption that Congress would have simply raised the debt limit without the Orange Pekoe Brigade’s intransigence. You have no way of knowing that.”

Of course not, However, given the historical nature of Congress’ previous actions, that isn’t exactly a leap of faith, either. Of course, if you think they would have addressed it any differently than they had dozens of times, please elucidate.

Otherwise, by statement and Thulsa’s stand as fact.

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BOSCH
@ 5:43

And for the life of me, I can’t see how otherwise reasonable people cannot see that…

I know, right? Like, what do they think, the poor people take their food stamps & gubmint checks and stash them in secret interest-bearing accounts in the Caymans where they’ll forget to report the income? Hide it in the name of their third wife (a real beauty from Brazil)? Or take a “risk” and invest in high-margin endeavors that employ citizens of India to make things the rest of the world consumes, or in a derivative ponzi scheme that will benefit no one in the end except the crooks who stack the pyramid? Please…. even those committing fraud and abuse of the entitlement system are still spreading most of that money around in their communities, into the cash registers of businesses that hire people who consume and pay taxes.

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md,

“Do not confuse the political with the ability……….they are different. Moody’s and Fitch seem to agree….”
Excellent point. Since so many seem to want to compare the US economy with a personal economy (incorrectly)…it seems apt to point out a couple may disagree which bills to concentrate on, but that does not mean they cannot or will not meet their financial obligations.

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“SUN UNLEASHES LARGEST SOLAR FLARE IN OVER 4 YEARS… ”

This is because of man-made global warming on earth……

For some reason, I’m not in the least surprised to see such a post from you.

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“it seems apt to point out a couple may disagree which bills to concentrate on, but that does not mean they cannot or will not meet their financial obligations.”

Except when it gets to the point where there is little hope that the bills will ever be paid off, which is where we’re heading.

And which is one of the reasons why we were downgraded.

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….not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!

My fingers tremble as they reach for the keyboard, stretching out and yearning to reveal my true identity and confirm yours. It is with great effort, restraint, and deep regret that I pull them away now, and exit to my own unsung and rarely-seen call of duty.

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But it’s a “peaceful” protest about what’s “fair”

Verizon Communications Inc. reported a dozen cases of sabotaged cable lines and warned of delays in repairs and customer service on the second day of a strike involving about 45,000 employees.

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Dave R.,

“Of course, if you think they would have addressed it any differently than they had dozens of times, please elucidate.”

I could expound on my opinion until the cows come home (of which I have none, so that will give you an idea of the time frame), but it would still remain an “opinion”…the same as you. Your opinion was supposition that in no way backs Thulsa’s analogy…just as mine does not.

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“….not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!”

Let’s see. . . night time . . . cape . . .

You’re a vampire?

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Just got back from The Aqaurium/and Coke Museum so I’m doing a flyby. Checking email I got a sent a video by Jess Lamb. Never heard of her before but i played it anyway. I figured there were people here (including you Jay) who might like it. They call it a fusion between rock and soul. I don’t know about that, I thought it was pretty damn good though. Song starts about 30 seconds in.

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C0OI9eVsw0&feature

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Doggone/GA

August 9th, 2011
6:01 pm

“but I thought the riots were about a cop shooting someone.”

Reports last night said that’s what started them, but the consensus of the local people was that was not their reason.

That’s true but the consensus appears to be that the looters are mainly young, opportunistic hoodlums wanting some free stuff. The PM seemed to eho that.

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I actually like the Philadelphia Mayor’s sentiments:

“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”

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“OBAMA PLAN: ‘DESTROY ROMNEY’… ”

If he can destroy Romney like he has the economy, mission accomplished.

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On a very discordant note…I think I bought by car too early.

http://wot.motortrend.com/hennessey-to-build-few-1000-hp-cadillac-cts-v-coupes-100907.html

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jewcowboy: “On a separate note, it gives me a perverse pleasure so many religious zealots embrace Star Trek…the ultimate mythology for Secular Humanists. It’s kind of the same perverse pleasure I get from watching anti-gay bigots dancing to the “YMCA” at weddings…”

Absolutely.

Not to mention how their beloved athletes smack each other on the behind to celebrate that great play!

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Ah yes, the effects of a “progressive” paradise:

AOLHUFFPO DEBACLE: SHARES PLUNGE 25%…

SUBSCRIBERS FLEE…

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Leg

I always thought if someone wanted to pay to see me naked then it is my obligation to take their money! After all despite my liberal leanings I am a capitalist!

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Dave R.

“Star Trek very much mentions faith in a higher power throughout it’s many iterations.

Not exactly secular humanism, jewcowboy.”

Gene Roddenberry would very much disagree with you, as would the writing team. Sorry to disappoint you. Were you also under the impression that “YMCA” was about after school sports?

http://sidmennt.is/2006/08/16/every-religion-has-a-mythology/

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Bosch
August 9th, 2011
6:22 pm

Ha ha, good one! I just had the mental image of a night job and a cape. Why I went in that direction is beyond me….

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Not even Brett Favre lives in WI, who give a lightning white a$$….

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Leg,

Well it’s obvious isn’t it? You were thinking about me naked dancing on a stage. It’s not the first time I’ve heard that.

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BOSCH

One of the things that I liked so much about Babylon 5 was the weaving of the religious into the characters’ lives and motivations…and yet the creator was himself an atheist…

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Disgusted
August 9th, 2011
6:29 pm

Was Gene Kelly a flasher?

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jewcowboy, Roddenberry was very specific to not include any specific references to religion in his scripts, and the writers maintained that throughout the many different series.

HOWEVER, belief in a higher power was mentioned numerous times throughout, therefore your secular humanism theory fails in the face of actual scripts and dialogue.

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Bosch,

“It has more religion than church.”

I’ll stick to Star Trek thank you. Patrick Stewart rocks my world.

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Dave R.,

“HOWEVER, belief in a higher power was mentioned numerous times throughout, therefore your secular humanism theory fails in the face of actual scripts and dialogue”

You can read into scripts and shows whatever you wish. I’ll go with the show’s creator and writers on their intent.

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Hey, Obama HAS made an impression internationally:

London rioters: ‘Showing the rich we do what we want’

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BOSCH

If you ever get the chance, read some of his interviews when he talked about that…one of the few atheists I’ve ever heard give the religious the same respect he wants for himself and his own beliefs. He was really open-minded and not at all tent revivalist about it…

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Leg Lamp,

“James Brown in “The Blues Brothers” rocks my world.”

Cab Calloway in the same movie rocks mine: http://youtu.be/2iyB5Rf4PaY

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“CNN reports that just 41 percent of Americans believe their own congressman deserves re-election,…”

Gotta believe most of the anger is directed @ Republicans. They definitely blinked first in the recent standoff. All the media bloviating about how the Dems gave in is a pantload. The Elephants caved when they agreed to raise the debt ceiling today and maybe/possibly reduce some spending (to be determined by an as-yet unnamed committee) over the next 10 years.

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jewcowboy
August 9th, 2011
6:41 pm

I don’t know if I ever heard more sustained laughter in a theater than I did when James Brown hit the pulpit and he and the congregation performed in “The Blues Brother”. I had to go to the bathroom after that one.

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Darn those tea partiers:

“Obama Faces Backlash From Left Amid Economic Uncertainty”

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The filter doesn’t like b@st@rdize? Hmmm…I guess I I’ll have to use vitiated from now on.

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“CNN reports that just 41 percent of Americans believe their own congressman deserves re-election,…”

I’ll believe that when I see it. Dems will continue to re-elect Dems, Republicans with continue to re-elect Republicans, and the 50-80 some-odd seats in the middle with continue to swing back and forth.

Gerrymandering ensures the above will remain a constant.

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Dave R. – 3k/4k/5k
August 9th, 2011
6:49 pm

Harumph, harumph!!

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Meh phone is almost dead no more happy hour porch blogging for me. Pleasant evening all!

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Bosch,

You forget…Stewart is also CIA Director…

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jewcowboy, I’m an agnostic, so I have no need to find religion anywhere.

That I find it (however limited) in Star Trek, despite someone’s biased definition of what they thought Roddenberry’s edicts were, is simple fact.

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d
August 9th, 2011
6:53 pm

Based on the 2008 Presidential Election, I’d have to agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36×8rTb3jI

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“god damn americans are stupid’

Says someone who can’t muster more than a mono-syllable moniker.

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Darn that loser, Nathan Deal!!

“State’s new fiscal year starts with a sharp rise in revenues”

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Dave R.,

Which corresponds with my own belief in a higher power.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” ~ Carl Sagan

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Perry, scary, Carie….who cares? Anybody could do better than these losers!

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How I would love to see voters across the Country recall all those Tea Party politicians in Congress who were ready, willing and almost able to put us in default and then cheer about it.

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Granny Godzilla,

I’m sure Wisconsin offers many local delicacies…however, and this may come off as a bit snobbish, it way far down on my travel destinations. I just had to bump Kiev for Buffalo, NY b/c now I have a wedding to attend.

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“And may I also suggest a icy cold Leinenkugel from up in Chippewaw Falls.”

You don’t figure they know how to make some good beer up there in Wisconsin, do you?

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In the grand scheme of things, the Wisconsin vote doesn’t mean much to the GOP. Even if they lost every election, that would not keep them from continuing their march to the right. In the end, we’re all the losers. This country can not and will not function as a far right paradise. Nor will it function as a far left paradise. Anybody who thinks otherwise would be much better off using their time to joust with windmills.

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jewcowboy

Wisconsin does get a bad rap as a destination…but Milwaukee is a lot more than LaVern and Shirley. Growing up we used to go visit one of my aunts who lived there and always on the schedule was the symphony…one of the finest in the country. The resorts range from the rustic to the truly classy…beautiful countryside.

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Please detail which programs and legislation enacted by Deal specifically have contributed to gains in revenue. And please cite numbers and your sources.

Now THAT’s funny.

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Granny Godzilla / josef,

Perhaps that is why Americans are considered less “worldly” than our global counterparts. We have a diversity, in both geography and population, not enjoyed by most of the rest of the world.

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Frauds and cheats, while certainly there, are no where near the “threat” so many want to claim…

Bruno, if you’re doing it right, searching for a job IS a job.

Obviously I’m going with anecdotal experience, but I grew up seeing a lot of welfare/govt. assistance fraud. Not my family, of course, but many families around me. One of the most fraud-laden programs I remember was a jobs training program called CETA in the 1970s. As long as you could “prove” that you were training for some kind of job, you got a check. Immediately, a host of shady “trade schools” popped up which trained people for everything from HVAC work to body drumming. And lest you think I’m making up the body drumming part, a man actually sued the State when they threatened to cut off his funds for training for exactly that.

I still think requiring something back would be a win-win situation. It would definitely raise the motivation level of the job seekers.

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“As you know, I’ll be the first to admit that “economics” is alien territory to me…but from my illiterate perspective, the “ability” to pay was not in question, the “mechanism” was and the conclusion was that the failure to meet the needs of the mechanism brought the ability into question…”

Jo,

Yes, but historically, the ‘mechanism” has always come through in the end……..until it does not, it’s just talk…….and talk should be discounted for what it is…………..

I can tell my bankers to go F themselves……..but my credit and ability to pay are not affected until I do not pay……………

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Lamp, you’re just deflecting for having voted for W twice.

AmVet–I voted for W twice, and would again in a heartbeat if he was facing the same opposition.

BTW, who have you been voting for?? I couldn’t get Bosch to come clean re his own voting record.

How about you, DF?? When’s the last time you voted for a Republican?? You accused me of being a hyper-partisan the other day, but I’ve voted for plenty of Democrats along the way, including the last election cycle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qU4nR0UPnE

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Wisconsin’s Walker marches to the beat of the Koch brothers. He wants to widen the gap between the rich and the poor. Actually, when he ran for office he said nothing about dismantling organized labor. He is a puppet for the rich. But he has underestimated the Wisconsin motto of being for the working man. Indeed, Wisconsin is the birthplace of organized labor. He has overplayed his hand and his dreams of being Ronald Reagan II will begin evaporating today as all six Republican senators are washed away in the recall. Walker himself will vanish early next year when he himself is recalled. Let this be a lesson to the rich and powerful — you may have all the money, but average Joes still control the ballot box when you get them pissed off!

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If their recall efforts are successful, here’s hoping the citizens of Wisconsin have deeeeeep pockets.

Greg Gutfeld said something today that pretty much hit the mark with me:

“Barack Obama is a person without a principle, and the Tea Party is a principle without a person.

Kewl!

It’s Green Tomato and Vidalia Onion Relish tonight. This canning stuff is kinda fun.

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Bozo laments the fact that he cannot level the divide between the haves and have nots. The rioters in the UK hate the “rich business owners” who have more than they have. Corporate jets, evil corporations, rich oil companies, strong unions…. if you don’t see a connect between these two then you are asleep or just not listening.

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Well, the PGA Championship — the season’s last major — begins Thursday at Atlanta Athletic Club right here in good old Atlanta (John’s Creek). Coverage begins Thursday @ 1:00 pm on TNT. Should be a great match!

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Damn blog addiction -

Bruno,

What Josef said plus the fact that I have no problem with people who are not employed giving back but as Josef pointed out many of the people getting govt monies work….

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Time to practice the cello….. save the TaTas, Gods most magnificent creation.

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JKL2

What percentage of Wisconsin lives in urban versus rural areas?

It’s a extremely important question to anyone who thinks that taking out the cities is going to help their argument.

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And that should be Dem instead of deem

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Bruno

Yes it’s about a 60 40 ratio for me and how bout you?

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Yes you did Bruno and I gave you stuff to read you never wrote you wanted results and if you are so concerned about those why not make the same demands from republicans – I mean you are so balanced and all

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Probably 70-30 the past several years for Repubs. Remember, however, that I’ve lived in Cobb and Gwinnett since 1981. Not a lot of D’s to pick from in those locations. In the early 80s, it was much closer to 50-50 with folks like Sam Nunn on the D side.

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jewcowboy – or better..“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary experiences” ~ Schrodingers Cat

You had to be there

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Bookman’s reliance on a CNN poll to prove a senseless point indicates a pre-existing bias.

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Brosephus,
I’ve agreed with a lot of your recent posts..
If we could all take off the partisan blinders to see every politian for who they are, we would all be liberated from a broken system

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Bruno

I vote almost exclusively Repub locally. While I disagree with their politics most I consider smart and in touch with the community plus coupled with the fact that the Dems that run are mostly complete flakes.

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Bruno

The problem with your question is your right to decide that which is tangible and that which is not.

Thw CBO letter to Senator Jeff Sessions that I posted to your attention earlier says “Obamacare” does both.

Again, the problem is your question. As long as you youself are the pentultimate “decider” you could support the argument that the moon was made of Nick at Nite.

Play with yourself for a while as you don’t play well with others.

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If we could all take off the partisan blinders to see every politian for who they are, we would all be liberated from a broken system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps

The choice is yours to make.

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Granny…really?

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The problem with your question is your right to decide that which is tangible and that which is not.

Tangible = actual legislation, e.g the Republican budget which just passed.

Thw CBO letter to Senator Jeff Sessions that I posted to your attention earlier says “Obamacare” does both.

Granny, in addition to being a doctor, I also aced the actuarial exams. Whoever believes ObamaCare will reduce costs is smoking crack. Common sense alone will tell you that.

As long as you youself are the pentultimate “decider” you could support the argument that the moon was made of Nick at Nite.

In case you didn’t notice, I am the Blog Decider, from music to who is cool. You’re definitely in the “uncool” category.

Play with yourself for a while as you don’t play well with others.

Believe as you wish, Granny, but there aren’t many here who have blog friends on both sides of the political divide, other than josef and myself. You?? You’ve got your die-hard Lib buddies to banter with, but who else??

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I’ve often wondered if the color of those pills and the meanings behind them were a hidden political statement or if its just pure coincidence. Either way, I’m like Morpheus in that I’m only concerned with showing the truth.

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I like you so much I’d do it for no interest cause I know you are a fiscally conservative personally responsible conservative and I know you’d NEVER be a moocher!

LOL, Bosch. After I bought my first business, the former owner was brought up on federal charges, and was convicted. I had an escape clause by which I could have gotten out of paying him, but I paid him the full amount due. Years later he thanked me, stating that my timely payments helped his family to survive while he was in the can.

But don’t ever repeat that story. It might ruin my blog rep as a stingy conservative.

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Scout the left will over play their hand….They will throw the Mormon card while defending Muslums…Mitt could actually bridge the gap given the chance

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HEY RECON !

We need to get some of the “Devil Dog” stuff to keep the libs. away:

Headline: “U.S. Army releases official cologne ‘Patton’ ”

The U.S. Army has released a signature scent, called Patton.

WASHINGTON – Soon, you too, can smell like the U.S. Army.

Or, at least smell like it’s official fragrance, “Patton” by Parfumologie.

The Military Times reports that the Army decided to make money off of its brand because a portion of proceeds will benefit the Veterans Administration and its services.

“Patton” is a woodsy blend of lavender, citrus, coconut, cedar, sage, tonka bean, bergamot, lime, and the ad copy says it will “elicit feelings of majestic woodlands and endless horizons.”

“Patton” the cologne joins the ranks of the Coast Guard’s “Riptide,” the Air Force’s “Stealth” and the Marines’ “Devil Dog” fragrances.

P.S. I’m betting the Navy will call their’s “BILGE WATER” !!!

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=541&sid=2487300

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Damn Bruno! That intense. Last year while I was settling my moms estate the probate judge (who makes Rush look like Maher) told me I could pay a lawyer to have all her credit bills “done away with” and I told him that would rather pay the people who was owed the money than pay that money to a cheating lawyer. He looked like I just slapped him!

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And just for the record I’m going to start getting used to saying ” President Romney” and what the he’ll it’s not like things will change either way.

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Bruno,

“When’s the last time you voted for a Republican?? ”

Sam Olens for AG of GA.

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B, glad the eviction went good.

As for exercising my right to franchise vis a vis the POTUS, you know who I’ve voted for the past two times. I’ve made no bones about it.

(Think of a name that rhymes with raider.)

And I did love the phrase “Republican hate-fest”. Sounds good by me! (big sh*teating grin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FmLOP8G4pM

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“Republican hate-fest”

Otherwise known as calling them out on their statements and actions…

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He looked like I just slapped him!

Touche, Bosch!!

I definitely have my faults, but you’ll never find even one person out there who can say that I ever cheated them.

Obamacare is an upfront way to control costs of medical care that we currently give away anyway.

RT–I’ve discussed this issue in great depth, but the bottom line is that most of the high costs of health care are directly and indirectly due to an over-reliance on the third-party payment system. Insurance is supposed to be a hedge against catastrophic loss, not a clearinghouse for any and all payments into and out of the system. By increasing the participation of the insurance companies, costs are going up, not down.

If you want costs to go down, either institute full-blown socialistic medicine, or make changes to allow more free-market competition. ObamaCare does neither, and thus gives us the worst of both worlds.

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Bruno,
have you looked into letting a property management company manage your rental(s)? I’d imagine I’ll be moving some time in the next year and may want to rent instead of sell given the housing market and was wondering what the upside/downside of those firms are.

I’ve used property rental companies. They want on the order of 50% of gross rentals. The owner is left with expenses, repairs, and the remaining 50%. The only way you break even is through depreciation and appreciation of the asset. Unless you’re a masochist, you’re better off to sell the damned place before you move.

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have you looked into letting a property management company manage your rental(s)? I’d imagine I’ll be moving some time in the next year and may want to rent instead of sell given the housing market and was wondering what the upside/downside of those firms are.

I think the biggest advantage of using a management company is that you avoid the frustration of having to deal directly with the liars. I let my tenant stay probably 1 1/2 months longer than I should have, hoping beyond hope that some of his lies might be true. In your case, considering the bucks you’re pulling down, I would definitely go with a management company. I’m too cheap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzK5sejtVcw

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Schrodinger’s cat,

“just sayin’”

That is hearsay…just sayin’

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Disgusted,
Thanks for the info. There’s no way I’d have the time to manage a property myself especially since I’d be living in a different town.

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If you want costs to go down, either institute full-blown socialistic medicine, or make changes to allow more free-market competition. ObamaCare does neither, and thus gives us the worst of both worlds.

Sure. I can just see physicians and hospitals getting on TV, a la shyster lawyers, and boasting about how they’ll beat the prices of anybody else. It will never happen. No matter how much they whine, they’re still living in gated mansions and driving expensive cars. You’ve already seen what happens when anyone or anything threatens their luxurious livelihood. You get the fiercest critics of Obamacare. And hangers-on like Dusty are there to lend their support to the continued shafting of the consumer of medical services. You’ll see real price competition when pigs fly and float over your yard. The only ones big enough to confront the deliverers of medical services are the health insurance companies, which themselves are parasites.

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As for Brosephus, he only thinks that he has friends here on both sides of the political aisle. Little does he realize that we’re all just afraid that he’ll open up a can of ABM whoop-ass on us, so we pretend to like him.

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Schrodinger’s cat,

“okay…clarify”

I thought I did. My response was to a specific term: “Republican hate-fest”. If you have something else you would like me reaction too, then post it.

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You’ll see real price competition when pigs fly and float over your yard. The only ones big enough to confront the deliverers of medical services are the health insurance companies, which themselves are parasites.

Other than ERs, I think most doctors are open to price negotiation for cash-paying patients. I ran a cash practice for almost 20 years, and beat everyone in town with my fees. One thing hurting competition is the fact that the various state associations limit the number of med school graduates by design to keep their monopoly strong. Toss in the silent collusion on fee-setting, and there’s a lot of your problem.

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Oh and as to friends here…one of our regular righties was at the house last night…we laugh….

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jewcowboy
August 9th, 2011
7:04 pm

Go to the ajc.com home page, click on the link. Quite simple, really.

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Good luck getting anywhere close to a reasonable price, Disgusted

In this market, you have a choice between bleeding to death slowly via rental management companies or else selling the property and taking your bath now. The longer you hold onto a property, the more expensive it will become for you, and there’s no middle ground. For instance, you haven’t lived until you’ve been “assessed” $20,000 for repair of a property due to a hurricane or a tornado. And if you think that over time plumbing, a roof, or other fixtures won’t need to be replaced at your expense, you obviously know nothing about real property. Believe me, rental management companies won’t come up with the cash for such expenses. My advice is just to remove your pants and bend over.

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Jo,

Market rebound……..panicked selling can often lead to opportunistic buying……I bought today……it was lower than last week………….

It’s all a gamble, but those companies didn’t all just up and go bad overnight.

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BTW, DIsgusted, your claim that management companies keep 50% of the rent collected simply isn’t true. That is unless someone took you for a ride. Some charge the first month’s rent to get a tenant in, then somewhere around 10% per month after that. despite my recent bad luck, I’ve done pretty well over the years. In my other rental house, I’ve only had 4 tenants in 16 years. losing only 4 months rent total. It can be done on your own.

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OK..off to watch last night’s Closer. Love me some Brenda Lee. Have a wonderful evening all.

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This Is It restaurant on 138 and Old National is now defunct.

Ooooo…kay.

Try “A Little This & That” or “This & That” (can’t recall) on Tara Blvd. Take out only. People are talkin’. It’s owned by some guy out of Thomaston. His hours of operation while in Thomston became erratic, but he still pulled ‘em in in spite of. Must be good. Don’t know if he does BBQ though. Personally, I don’t think Southern Pit in Griffin can be beat when it comes to BBQ.

I’ve never been there, but I’ve heard you can get a pig ear sandwich at Luella’s on Tara Blvd. Don’t know why anyone would want one, but if ‘ya do….you now know where to go.

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Like wanting the President to fail? or standing for default? or cheering for down grade?

Like I said, enjoy the political posturing all you want. I’ll stick with actual legislation passed.

oh and I am quite certain we have liitle to talk about.

Good, then get off of my leg.

De nada y buenas noches, querido.

Y tu, pendeja.

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And Jo………may be after looking to the east (EU), investors realized this is still the better bet…….those AAA countries are about to bite the bullet for their weaker neighbors…….at their peril.

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Don’t know what the voters are going to do in Wisconsin, but Obama has trip minus ten’s in approval from Gallup, Rasmussen and CNN.

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A: When other people’s money is gone.
Q: When does HOPE and Change begin its fall?

Saw somebody ordering an “Obama Happy Meal” today. The only problem was the guy (taxpayer) behind them in line didn’t have the money to pay.

Guess Limbaugh is getting his wish. Huh? Sadly for us!

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What happened to Rick Perry? Bookman seems to be warming up the subject a bit, just in case Perry really runs. I think I will vote for Perry. He’s got his faults but at least he is believable when he makes a statement. He doesn’t say wistfully “Hope & Change”.. Sounds like to me he’d say “I WILL do this.” and you can believe it.

OH well. Back to personal confessions and business engagements. The night is young and the Braves are playing. Going to be another good one…

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Curious Observer:

Don’t know if you were in Nam or not but if you want a real “flashback” get some government issued insect repellent from your local Army/Navy store and slap it on !

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Time to run, but before I go, here’s a bit of advice for those who are worried about things right now…

http://mhong.jaring.org/fox.jpg

Catch y’all later…

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md

Likewise on buy low, sell high…

I would tend to agree with your assessment on at least a few of the AAA club

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Dusty:

Like monkey brains ? Delicacy in Thailand !

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Liberals rejoice

Here comes Obama the dirtbag

http://mobile.politico.com/iphone/story/0811/60921.html

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Dusty:

Have you never seen they way they do it over there? I’m not making this up.

They kill the monkey and “immediately” take the top of the skull off (like half-ing a coconut) and then set the monkey in a seat under a specially built table with a hole in the middle. The “uncovered” brain sticks up out of the hole and those with chopsticks have at it !

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Civilized??
“black youths once again have set London alight.”

Source of this info????????

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“Source of this info????????”

The voices in his head? I’ve been watching the reports over the last few days and have seen very few youths “of color” – the overwhelming majority has been white

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9311

THAT’S GROSS!! Not to mention the risk of encephalitis from a sick monkey!!! Not exactly cordon bleu!

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These comments are so silly, especially the racist ones. # 1) Other cultures usually don’t show up to court when they have paid the fine or the day of the court date to pay the fine, rather than, sit in a court room all morning. Doesn’t make them irresponsible, transient or whatever else you can come up with. Why sit there when they can pay and leave?( parole officer in Cobb Co.) 2) I haven’t seen an intelligent president before this one, he is doing the same as all of the others. Nothing different. Except for the area of sexual promiscuity. SMDH, I would love to see different comments on the internet.

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Bookman,

I have not seen any signs of hidden glee over the riots in London. Are you trying to suggest something sinister and probably aimed at conservative Americans?

I smell a piece tomorrow on racism so everybody can rant all day. It will be the same ol’ stuff over and over.

I know you are not writing for the Boy Scouts but could you skip the every day secret suggestive club number? No use to be a consistent rabble rouser..

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You can smell the fear. Maybe in another hundred years the South will still be talking about losing the war against the Democrats. LOL

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I have not seen any signs of hidden glee over the riots in London. Are you trying to suggest something sinister and probably aimed at conservative Americans?

Dusty–Consider the source. This is the same man who denied that playing the race card is a staple of those on the Left. Direct quotes from Obama campaign workers, well-known liberal commentators, and liberal ex-Presidents did little to sway his foregone conclusions. Are there “some” racists on the Right?? Of course, but there are plenty on the Left too. As for coming up with hard data to convert this “some” into an actual percentage, Jay doesn’t need any. His intuition is good enough for him.

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Dusty @10:37, would you mine putting those special powers to use on the lottery for me?

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Can you believe the audacity of this white Republican racist…

Philadelphia mayor talks tough to black teenagers after ‘flash mobs’</b.

Oops, please forgive my mistake; he is not white or Republican. Racist, you decide.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/

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For that matter, who said anything about “conservative”?

Then quell our suspicions, Jay. Do you, in your heart of hearts, believe that there are (1) more conservative racists than liberal racists (2) more liberal racists than conservative racists (3) About the same number on both sides. Your rant about “some” of the criticism of Obama being racially driven seems to suggest scenario (1) to me.

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“”They call it looting and criminality. It’s not that. There’s a real hatred against the system.” His friends, some covering their faces with hoods, nodded in agreement.”

Hmmm…….the system that even has “free” healthcare………give an inch take a mile………….

And some here think selfish is only on one end of the spectrum……………

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Like minds think alike ?

As you said, let’s just be thankful that wasn’t a white Republican major or the libs. would be calling for his head !

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Nothing yet on the CNN poll demographics?!? Surely Jay had them before using that poll, right? I mean, after all, a lot of people here look up to Jay as the unbiased authority, right?

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I love cons Dusty.

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Sure, getalife, but you believe only libs!

Aint love grand??

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The cowardly mystery meat in question, by his own words, is a racist.

Quit trying to defend him or parse this into something it is not. And for gawdsakes quit this nonsense about who has more/bigger racists.

Black-hating, racist scum like him have been with us forever and likely always will be.

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getalife

August 9th, 2011
10:52 pm
I love cons Dusty.
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cons loves hacksaws and some love other cons. some loons marry cons.

So, have you and 3482715 picked a date yet?

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It sure is Dusty.

cons make me laugh.

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Jay:

“And here we have Scout trying to claim comparisons between Wisconsin and London. Tell us, Scout: What conclusions do you wish us to draw from these alleged comparisons? Is there some theme you claim to see here? Please, come out and state it explicitly.”

Have you been drinking?

All I did was clarify for the posters that the “black” rioting was in Philadelphia right now (don’t know where you got Wisconsin) and not London.

You need to catch up ……….. or lay off the bottle.

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Uncle J,

Is that an actual CNN headline? The reports I’m getting say the GOP should hold four and have a pretty good chance of holding five tonight, but six isn’t very likely.

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By the way …………… the theme is not being raised right whether you are a white thug in London or a black thug in Philadelphia.

My Dad grew up in the depression in the wiles of West Virginia. Guess what …………. they didn’t have one riot. Grandma would have put it down !

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(Reuters) – Arkansans shopped until they dropped on Saturday, braving temperatures deep into the triple-digits to take advantage of the state’s first sales tax holiday weekend.

“I have never seen anything like this,” said Clancy Graham, a manager at Little Rock’s RK Collections Boutique, an independently owned store. “If we could do this three times a year, it would be amazing. It has done crazy good stuff for our business.”

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Hmmm. The State (and feds) will still collect taxes from the businesses profits and the employees payroll and the trucking companies, and on and on. Hmmm. Putting more money in the pockets of consumers may not be a bad idea. They might actually spend it on goods and services. Hmmm.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/08/us-arkansas-taxholiday-idUSTRE7773GY20110808

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R’s take first 3 races in WI………3 too close to call.

Interesting considering all the hoopla the past year……….must be those pesky independents…..2012 should be interesting as well……I certainly don’t see Obama as a shoe in……..

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(beats me, but it got your attention)

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Sorry if you didn’t get that I just made it up to mess with some of you. I apologize, although I am encouraged to learn that some are doing well. Tomorrow we will all know for sure.

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JB. good job at providing a plethora of information aimed at shutting down the racist enablers and those who amazingly pretend not to notice the bigots, because they are of similar ideology.

Bruno, I have noted correctly that liberals have been at the forefront of civil rights. From the very beginning to this day.

I have noted correctly that arch conservatives fought viciously to preclude them. Even murdering those said liberals.

Those are the facts and they are incontrovertible.

I also believe that virtually none of today’s arch-conservatives would no more get on that bus with the Freedom Riders today than they did then.

What next?

Those racist signs at tea party gatherings were liberal plants?

I am not into keeping score but when I see far right wing numbskulls here puke up revisionist history in at attempt to portray conservatives as the historical best friends of people of color (or even us Jews), it makes me sick…

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“But most racists are conservative. That plain enough for you?”

Based on what??

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Y’all have fun. The host must be drunk. Honestly, Jay. You should be ashamed.

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Kashkari kicking Obama in the teeth on CNN. He says: just go do Simpson Bowles moron.

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Wouldn’t dream of speaking for you. But if you want to defend that statent I’d point out the fallacies in the generalization that therefore require qualification

Racists pre civil rights were generally democrats

The idiot racists generally vote republican, but I would not call them conservative. Of course people have different definitions of conservative, but racists are neither fiscally nor morally conservative.

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Based on their own testimony?? Is there a requirement that all racists must testify?

I think you are stretching it a bit……and then your definition of “conservative” must be a bit different also. I know plenty of liberal leaning white folk that are racist, but far from voting in any conservative fashion……..and then I’d hazard a guess that the racists among minorities are also quite mixed….if not skewed in the other direction…….but I’m guessing based on personal experiences…….I suspect you are doing the same……

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And oh yeah, to the extent there are black racists, I seriously doubt they are republicans….

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Jay 11:29 common ground!

Now if only the super duper fourth such committee can do as well

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Jay

August 9th, 2011
11:29 pm

And I certainly agree that there are black racists as well, and that most of them are NOT conservative.

There ya go Jay, I would have been disappointed if you hadn’t pointed that out. As to who has more, I wouldn’t even begin to know how to figure that out.

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In an effort to quantify, I found this interesting data

Am–I perused your poll of unknown origin. Putting aside questions about how the poll was conducted, the percentages assigned to liberals and conservatives weren’t that far apart. Not far apart enough to support Jay’s blanket statement that most racists are conservative. As for the “Obama Question”, the survey says (In my best Richard Dawson voice): Would you vote for a black President?? Libs: 96.4 Cons: 93.8

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No one has really answered why the white thugs in London and the black thugs in Philadelphia are rioting.

Why are they not working on their lincoln logs, erector sets, ham radios or something?

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Looks like a nail biter in Wisconsin. Regardless who wins, it’s historic considering the number of recalls involved.

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I think the only way y’all are going to figure out this “more racists” question is with some CNN poll of “random people that we can get to answer” that gives no demographic breakdown.

G’night!

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Funny how Wisconsin’s budget is now balanced and half the jobs added in the country last month were added in Wisconsin. Yep, the leadership shown by the republican governor is really looking weak…not

The recall is being lead by unions and I wonder if their membership really approves of all their dues being spent by corrupt union leaders on this recall effort. By the way, there are several democrats potentially being recalled as well…

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Saw that, B. Agreed that the accuracy, etc is somewhat unknown.

And the percentages are pretty close in most cases.

Which is on reason why I linked it.

As I said earlier, history in this matter, is squarely on the side of liberals. They are the ones who fought alongside and died alongside blacks.

And I don’ t think there has been even minor reversal in that paradigm in the past 50 years.

I am not saying there are not social conservatives, (like yourself, if I dare presume) who have not also joined in the fight for civil rights and basic justice. There mus t be countless of them.

But,I presume that most conservatives, have never been, nor are now socially engaged in these matters.

For a variety of reasons…

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Jm:

LOL !!

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I did not bring up majority in any fashion, Dusty, until you made a charge that needed to be refuted.

Well, Dusty, good work. Our combined 1-2 punch to Jay finally got the truth out of the man. We’ll have to set our religious differences aside more often.

Early morning, gotta run.

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Jm, no doubt. They are complicit in these fiscal failures of moral courage as much as their colleagues “across the aisle”.

Well, at least the dufus at 9:02 unwittingly provided a basis for some discourse tonight.

And with that, gentlemen, I’m out…

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As I said earlier, history in this matter, is squarely on the side of liberals. They are the ones who fought alongside and died alongside blacks.

Whoops–Gotta stop and throw the BS flag on AmVet. Do a little reading on the Civil Rights Movement of the late 1950s and early 1960s when most of the significant legislation was passed, and you’ll find Republicans at every turn passing, implementing, and enforcing civil rights, with Democrats (ok, Southern Democrats) doing most of the resisting. I hope I don’t have to back up this well-known fact with links, because I’m tired and have to go. I’ll leave that for your homework assignment, Brother Am.

And BTW, I’ll take your word for it when you say you purposefully put your poll up to support a position that there are likely an equal number of racists in both the liberal and conservative camps, even though that belies every statement you have made here on the blog that the conservatives are the racists. Never too late to correct the error of your ways.

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Thulsa:

……………. or green Martians ……………. )

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Bruno, do you REALLY want to defend a racial stereotype? And, again, what is the significance of this “kernal of truth”? I’m still not gettin it.

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And now to the health care debate and some comments Bruno made.

“Insurance is supposed to be a hedge against catastrophic loss, not a clearinghouse for any and all payments into and out of the system. By increasing the participation of the insurance companies, costs are going up, not down.”- Bruno

Absolutely. As an insurance agent I’m saying get the insurance companies the hell out of the everyday health care business. Health insurance should go back to what it used to be- insurance against unexpected and catastrophic events like cancer, heart attack, etc. The entire idea of insurance is to pay for unexpected and catastrophic events- not everyday health manintenance. It shouldn’t be in the business of paying for everyday crap like doc visits, small lab and diagnostics tests, etc. You don’t ask your car insurance to pay for new tires, oil changes, etc or for your homeowners insurance to pay for pressure washing or replacing an old roof or painting or a new air conditioner. So why do you expect your health insurance to pay for routine medical checkups and bills?

2 other things that Bruno also echoed. First of all a lot of docs have taken and will take cash and there is a growing trend locally where docs now will charge a family rate of $50 a month and unlimited $15 copay visits for a family plan and $25 a month and unlimited $15 copays for individuals- much cheaper than a health insurance plan that includes doc visits. My girlfriend pays her doc $50 cash for visits since she is not covered for regular doc visits. If people would get off their lazy arses and shop for medical services the same way they clip coupons for a box of macaroni or shop for deals on tires or big screens or laptops or anything else then they would be surprised how much money they could save.

And yes. The docs limit the numbers of docs admitted to medical school and yes. They absolutely do collude on price fixing. My dad is in the orthodontistry business in Alabama and he has firsthand knowledge from an orthodontist that in a conference of local orthodontists they started openly discussing what they charge for services which is blatantly against the law and nothing more than price collusion.

And in regards to govt getting its hands all over Obamacare didn’t the CBO just come out a couple of times and say Obamacare is going to cost billion dollars more than originally forecasted?

And I saw in the news today a new mandate that now health insurance must pay for birth control and other things for women. Why not just let the women who want birth control for themselves pay for it? So now everybody is going to have to pay higher insurance premiums to pay for something that the users of the service themselves should be paying for. What a dang mess. What kind of a fool actually thinks the govt will make health insurance cheaper for everyone?

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JKL2,

Are you saying the last Republican held on. Also I think the Dems only needed to win 3 seats to take control. And do you have that hilarious link that you posted earlier today. I think it was on the riots but can’t remember.

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Bruno, do you REALLY want to defend a racial stereotype? And, again, what is the significance of this “kernal of truth”? I’m still not gettin it.

DF–You’re a smart man, I’m sure you can figure it out. My 11:42 is self-explanatory.

And now to the health care debate and some comments Bruno made.

Just my opinion, DF, but I think the AJC made a big mistake by hiring Kyle Wingfield as its conservative mouthpiece when ol’ Bruno was available. I’m guessing the Bruno Blog would put up numbers far in excess of Jay’s Blog, even if primarily consisting of hot-air liberals whose deep, malicious, non-factually based biases were exposed at every turn by little old moi. I notice that our high-school debate champ, Joe Mama, high-tailed it out of here after he got a taste of Bruno. Granny Godzilla, like so many hot air Libs, was reduced to cheap insults after she got her dentures handed to her tonight. As for Jay, I guess he can’t leave since it’s his blog, but I think he’s going to have a hard time living this night down now that his own ugly prejudices have bubbled to the surface. Maybe he’ll take a look at the survey that AmVet put up showing that racial attitudes among libs/cons, Dems/Repubs are virtually identical across the board. As far as him admitting that he’s just one more Lib hack, I’m not expecting it since, as stated before, it’s not within his character to admit that he’s wrong.

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In Wisconsin, Kathy Nicholas, the county court clerk in the District 8 – Waukeshaw County – has said that election results will be held up for “at least an hour”, between Sandy Pasch (D) and Alberta Darling (R), who supports ending Medicare and who is close to governor Scott Walker. Pasch has been ahead. If Pasch were to win, Democrats would have their needed 3 Democrats needed to overturn some of the newly established laws by Republicans against workers’ bargaining rights.

This type of hold up of vote results has happened before by Kathy Nicholas in District 8 and each time – doing so – has helped Republicans. The validity of this process in District 8 needs to be looked into seriously. Something seems unusual, to say the least. That district has had the same voting machines as all the other districts in the state, according to commentators.
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About racism and conservatives. From my personal experience growing up in Georgia, most white people did not want to integrate the society before the Civil Rights legislation. Most who did not want to integrate the society would never have self-professed to being racists, but they had “elements” of racism in their psyches that were obvious to me because they did not want to swim in the same pools with black people, or share the same bathrooms or water fountains with them, among many other views they expressed which, to me, showed elements of racism.

The majority of Georgians for at least a century have been conservatives whether they called themselves Democrats or Republicans. I can understand, Jay’s comment that most racists are conservative (in answering a blogger’s question), although – as he also said – the majority of conservatives are not racists. He further said that those African-Americans who are racists are not conservatives. His comments were balanced, in my opinion, and consistent with what I have experienced.

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Thulsa, right now with 67 of 82 precincts reporting in the last race, the GOP incumbent is ahead by about 3,800 votes.

Still a lot to go, but it looks good for the GOP right now. 3-2 GOP to Dem with one contested.

And two Democrat seats up for recall in a couple of weeks.

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Thulsa- Not over yet, and probably won’t be until tomorrow. Republican up 53-47 with 82% in. Expect it to be contested no matter who wins since an incompetant is running the election.

2 Dems get their chance next week. I’m guessing if the Republican wins it will be a moot issue. If the Dem comes back to win it will be the only topic in the news for the next week.

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The bottom line, DF, is that what passes for “health care” in our country is pretty much a crock of $hit. We’re pretty much a nation of drug addicts, all at a huge price to both our pocketbooks and our well-being. Something like every 1 in 5 commercials on TV are pushing drugs. Got a headache?? take a pill. Stomach ache?? Take a pill. Depressed?? Take a pill. ED?? Take a pill. Too many side effects from taking all these pills?? Take even more pills to counteract the side effects. Actually get off you fat, lazy ass and get healthy so that you don’t “need” all these pills?? Not a chance in hell. And don’t even get me started about all the unnecessary surgeries.

And you wonder why I want no part of it all?? But Obama and the Dems, in their infinite wisdom, decided that a condition for living in this country is now to force people like myself to subsidize the BS. So, excuse me for being a little grouchy when the topic comes up.

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Bruno,
I rode marta into downtown for 3 years and only felt threatened once. My assessment was entirely based on behavior and I’m almost certain I was right. If I went on race, I would have been needlessly apprehensive during those years and might have missed the cues that this dude (who happened to be black) was planning to rob me once I left the station.

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Something like every 1 in 5 commercials on TV are pushing drugs.- Bruno

Overall Bruno drugs would be mentioned in 2 in 5 commercials because you have to remember that another 1 in 5 commercials is by lawyers suing all the particular drugs.

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JKL2, it was something directed towards Debbie and I laughed but with my failing memory and being tired and can’t remember for the life of me what it was but that doesn’t sound like it. No biggie though. Just having a brain cramp on what it was.

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you have to remember that another 1 in 5 commercials is by lawyers suing all the particular drugs.

Good point, DF. No shortage of leeches out there who claim to be protecting the public. BTW, how much does your malpractice run per year??

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Well, I better run before I get in trouble by saying what I REALLY think about malicious Libs, quack MDs, and brain-dead politicians. The Phillies came through, and that’s what’s most important tonight.

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JKL2,

I know obstetricians pay crazy amounts like 100k but I spoke with someone- I can’t remember who it was,heck maybe it was on here, but they said they knew an obstetrician whose malpractice was 200k a year which I kinda wondered if they were BSing or not.

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I can’t believe how many people I got that take 10-20 different drugs daily and a lot of the drugs are either for stuff like anxiety or mild depression or sometimes they are taking so many medications that they are taking 4 or 5 meds just to counteract the side effects of several other drugs.

Sadly, most people don’t have either the courage or the raw intelligence to be their own doctors. Though I occasionally use MDs as a resource for knowledge, I make all my own health care decisions. So far, I’m doing well. 3 sick days in nearly 40 years in the workforce, less than $1000 dollars in lifetime medical expenses.

And then I’ve seen some of them that just plain get tired of taking all these drugs and just decide to get themselves in shape by walking and eating right and next thing you know they’re not taking any meds- not the metformin or hpb or whatever.

Bingo, TD. But, unfortunately, the pill-pushers and drug companies don’t make any money when people decide to get healthy on their own. Sadly, few people seem to have the willpower to take matters into their own hands, however. We’ve become a notion of obese lamers. MDs certainly have their place, but not the place that they’ve claimed in most people’s lives.

Catch you tomorrow, friend.

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Thulsa, I’d imagine some docs do “collude” but I don’t believe it’s rampant. The AMA does make recommendations/lobby for the number of medical school positions but they don’t decide. But the real point I’d like to make is that doc pay, at least for primary care and I think in general has not risen more than the inflation rate for something like 23 of the last 25 years. I’m not complaining but doc pay is not the source of the high inflation in healthcare. Docs who do procedures have done the best and the number of procedures has risen as well. Probably the lowest paying field is pediatrics because their patients usually don’t have a lot of health problems and bear in mind that most docs finish med school with 100 to 150 thousand in debt, have no income for those four years and will spend at least 3 years in residency at a pay rate in the 40+ thousand range. It’s a pretty sizeable investment/risk.

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AP just reported the last Republican won. Looks like there is peace in the valley after all. Have a good night.

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If obamacare is going to work that $40k is supposed to become the norm not the entry level exception.

Oh come on. Do you actually expect me to believe that? So what will they pay nurses?

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JKL2

R u a fellow Cheesehead?

To all the Dems/Libs who really wanted to believe that the CNN Tea Party poll from yesterday would be reflected in the WI recall……………bless your collective heart. It’s cute to see how desparate you have become

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morning.

It was a long shot from the get-go, but one worth taking in, WI.

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Oh, and another reason people despise Congress (from 2009) for making the kind of arrogant and reckless decisions that they do:

WASHINGTON — Congress plans to spend $550 million to buy eight jets, a substantial upgrade to the fleet used by federal officials at a time when lawmakers have criticized the use of corporate jets by companies receiving taxpayer funds.

The congressional shopping list goes beyond what the Air Force had initially requested as part of its annual appropriations.

Somebody ought to have told Obozo’s teleprompter to keep his yap shut before railing against the ‘evil corporate jet owners’, don’t you think? What an ignorant sap. This is what you get when you scrape the bottom of the jet fuel barrel, I suppose.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html-Read the whole article here

Of course those were the heady days of totally out of control democrat Congress spending, before the Tea Party changed all that.

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So they went .333 last night in a recall? Wouldn’t it be much easier to defend rather than prevail? As well the deciding votes were in a precinct where 14,000 votes Republican votes appeared last april two days after the election was called?

I’d say it’s a fairly strong showing.

Got news for you old guys crowing… there will never be a permanent majority, ever, anywhere. We live in a 24 hour news cycle with instant opinions, and folks are fickle and demand results, power will sway back and forth from election to election, so uness people relearn the art of compromise, it’s gonna be a rough ride.

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a peanut

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I see Bud is in favor of eliminating the Bush tax cuts too. That’s good.

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I see the Dems picked up two seats in Wisconsin. That GOP majority just got smaller — it’s down to one. I heard that there are more seats that will be eligible for a recall election next year.

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“Of course those were the heady days of totally out of control democrat Congress spending, before the Tea Party changed all that.”

Oh, if only the Tea Party had been around for the previous 8 years… hmmmm…..

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We live in a 24 hour news cycle with instant opinions, and folks are fickle and demand results

everything you posted is accurate, but you forgot to add that there will always be that 10-20 percent or so of voters we politely lump in with and call “independents” but who more accurately are low-information types who find politics either icky and gross, or just too much work to follow, but who feel they ought to go vote every now and then–kinda like eating your vegetables even though you hate eating vegetables.

Those people are fairly bipolar in their ideologies. Like it or not, people no candidate can ignore that group in a general election; it’s why so much time is spent honing an image and marketing that image, rather than focusing (as people claim to want) on issues and policies.

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Looks like it’s “if not, not.” There will be much crying and gnashing of teeth from the left today. The people in Wisconsin have spoke once again.

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I see the Gloat Patrol is up early.

Hard to believe those polls weren’t right

Polling had the WI recall race close, Max.

much crying and gnashing of teeth

Feel free to point out anything that falls into that category, Del.

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stands, thanks for helping to point that out.

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Good news for the Wisconsin producers.
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Go chedder-heads.
Must be alot of those TEA partiers up there too.
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All that money the dummy democrats spent on those recall attempts could have been used on the children…………..shameful.

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Decibals, Democrats aren’t the only ones who gloat. When Jay finds something wrong with a democrat and badgers them the way he does the repub , the tea party, any female candidate from the right, etc or starts featuring polls that don’t always agree with his idealogy, then we will stop gloating but he put it up there, and as is often the case, the poll did not reflect what happens inside the voting booth.

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those recall attempts could have been used on the children…

I’m sure you were similarly distressed at the public funds used to hold primaries that were necessitated by the GOPers running fake Democratic primary challengers, right? You can link me to that comment you made about that here at Jay’s blog to that effect, surely.

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Congratulations Wisconsin!

Way to go!

The great orange satan points out that:

“But let me just say, if tonight was a loss, I hope we have many more such “losses” in 2012.

We took the fight into red territory, and took two seats. What was a safe 19-14 GOP advantage is now a narrow 17-16. If we had those numbers going into 2011, the anti-labor bill would never have passed—one GOPer voted with the Democrats (and hey, Sen. Dale Schultz, the water is mighty fine on our side of the aisle!)……..

Beyond Wisconsin, if we can enjoy a similar “loss rate” in Republican-held districts (picking up 33 percent of them), Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have a huge majority in 2013. We had a message that resonated with large numbers of working people in overwhelmingly white working-class districts that shifted hard against Democrats in 2010. GOP overreach is winning them back for us. Just think, before today, only 13 state legislators had been recalled in the entire history of this nation.”

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One wonders if this is based on what the Tea Party is about and actually does, or how the media portrays them. We all know the media lies and distorts when it comes to the Tea Party, and most peoples’ impressions come from those lies, rather than from reality. Too bad the media is more interested in partisan games than telling the truth.

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Democrats aren’t the only ones who gloat.

Correct. It’s unseemly when anyone does it. And I actually took a couple of weeks off after Obama won; I made a fairly brief post explaining that I was happy about how things had turned out, and that there were going to be a lot of hurt feelings from the opposition and that I had no intention to take cheap shots at those folks who were hurting.

When Jay finds something wrong with a democrat and badgers them the way he does the repub , the tea party, any female candidate from the right, etc or starts featuring polls that don’t always agree with his idealogy, then we will stop gloating

Do you really consider his post to constitute “badgering”?

If you do, I can only conclude that you don’t see much of what true-blue progressives find more akin to their side’s point of view. This is hardly Kos, or the Rude Pundit, FireDogLake or Atrios.

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Too bad the media is more interested in partisan games than telling the truth.

What! Has FOX been saying misleading things about the Bigelows AGAIN!

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Taxie,
I like the way you look at things!

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For two weeks the on line version of the AJC’s opinion page has had headlines from Tucker and Wooten.
Tucker’s is about being a bigot and Wooten’s is about self reliance.
Both appropriate.

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Here’s Jay’s direct quote from last night at 11:17:

“But most racists are conservative. That plain enough for you?”

His “proof”?? He found some racist comments yesterday on a website called conunderground.

I’ll be dropping by later to put AmVet’s poll up when the full Lib contingency is here. Challenging hateful stereotypes is a tough job, but someone has to do it. Jay doesn’t seem willing to.

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Challenging hateful stereotypes is a tough job, but someone has to do it. Jay doesn’t seem willing to.

You may also wanna challenge Kyle. Based on his headline today, he’s pushing stereotypes through the stratosphere today.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-rep-austin-scott-betrayed-his-tea-party-roots/2011/08/09/gIQAoKnQ5I_story.html?hpid=z2

Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia, a Tea Party favorite and president of the House Republicans’ freshman class, got off to a slow start as a legislator but finally introduced his first bill last week.

Still, even a number of Republicans see value in Legal Services. Though House Republicans have proposed a 26 percent cut in Legal Services’ current budget of $379 million, 68 of them joined Democrats in defeating an attempt this year to defund Legal Services.

Jay

Seems like Dana Milbank’s setting you up one at the net to spike today….

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SoCo,
If you scroll down all of Kyle’s threads, the most posts he has had on any one subject is 356. He has to get radical, and all stereotype-y to try to get more people to his blog. To Laugh!

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Calling anyone a racist will win your argument every time………..in a mental hospital.

I guess you should know Bud…been there long?

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Bruno, mostly what I got out of that one (1) year-old poll you managed to find to make your case was that the axe-grinder who posted it acknowledged that “Sample sizes are small in some of the cases above.”

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Normal

I’ll read Kyle’s blog, but seldom post. Just as it is here at times, I can not stomach the incessant bile that spews from some “conservatives” here on AJC blogs. I find it sad that grown assed people can’t discuss or debate something without sounding like a child.

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g’morning Normal and SoCo!!

(Normal – where are our kittehs!)

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B-dawg – the sun is up – what are you doing on the blog?

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More polls again Jay? They are nothing but meaningless tools of the left to try to convince people to see things their way.

You’re hopeless.

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Bruno

Those are not Kyle’s words… I was referring to his headline. Those riots have nothing to do with welfare. However, in the general conservative mindset, anything done by poor people is automatically entertwined with welfare. That is presumptious at best, and willful ignorance at worst. As y’all say Bookman should know better, so should Kyle.

I don’t think those “riots” have anything to do with protesting anything. What’s going on is nothing but criminal activity. Those riots are just like the G8 riots and such without the political motivation.

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But I do agree with Bruno, that The UK riots have been taken over by what looks like teenage gangs. There will always be people out there who will take advantage of a situation to improve their own well being. They will be brought to justice. The Bobby’s don’t give up.

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“I can understand Jay’s comment that most racists are conservative

I’m sure you can, Mary Elizabeth, since your own hateful prejudice is apparent for me to see as well. But, you cover it up so well with your 3000 word “Christian” diatribes.

Bruno, mostly what I got out of that one (1) year-old poll you managed to find to make your case was that the axe-grinder who posted it acknowledged that “Sample sizes are small in some of the cases above.”

You;ll have to take that point up with AmVet, who posted the poll to support his oft-repeated claim that conservative = racist. He dug himself further in a hole when he tried to claim that liberals/Democrats were the driving force behind Civil Rights legislation. I’ll put the actual votes up later today so that you can see for yourself.

You should talk to your fellow conservatives here as well about the race card. They keep wanting to pin the entire riot in London on Blacks. However, not one has commented on the video link I’ve posted with White kids running in the streets….

Brosephus–I’m sorry if I didn’t acknowledge your post last night, but your point was well-taken. As far as “fellow conservatives” here pinning the whole London riot on black kids, I’ve only seen it referenced a few times. At the same time, several incidences here in the USA are a bit troubling with mobs of black kids openly attacking white people. A few mobs does not “prove” anything, but it is a disturbing trend, no?

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B-dawg – the sun is up – what are you doing on the blog?

Simply fighting ugly stereotypes, USinUK. A few days ago, I demonstrated to Jay that the race card is a staple of the Left. Now I’m attempting to show that racial attitudes are pretty much the same across the board, liberal and conservative alike, Democrat and Republican alike. I doubt Jay will ever apologize, but I think it’s important to get the truth out.

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Morning, Bookmaniacs.

And I do MEAN Bookmaniacs! Do some of you “young bucks” ever sleep?! LOL…

B. enjoy your day, we’ll cross blogging swords later on, hopefully!

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People, people, some of you need to take a chill pill. When liberty city was on fire here during super bowl week you would have thought all of miami was engulfed in flames. There are people in extreme poverty right now in a difficult economy, I’m not excusing any behavior here but when you have nothing left to lose, there’s nothing left to lose. Racists, bigots will always be around, nobody or group has cornered that market, we need to move on and the solution for london as here in america is….jobs. “Idle hands are the workshop of the devil”….

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Bruno

There’s one particular poster, a “conservative” who can’t seem to mention London riots without throwing Blacks in there somewhere. It’s wrong to try to pin something on an entire group when there’s no proof. It’s completely wrong to continue to do so after video proof disproving it has been shown to the world.

You know I’m not one to take sides in most cases, but when you’re gonna try to push stereotypes just to further your agenda, I have no problem taking a side opposite that view. There’s the mobs in Wisconsin which I’m guessing you’re referring to. It could have been racial, or it could have been that the group of Blacks were jumping on Whites because they appeared the most afraid of them. You didn’t mention the White kids in MS who ran over the Black guy after stomping the crap out of him. In that instance, they were looking to mess with somebody Black.

All that stuff’s wrong, regardless of what group instigates it. This country was founded on violence, and it appears to only respond to and act out in violence. Until we change that part of us, things will never change.

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“I don’t think those “riots” have anything to do with protesting anything. What’s going on is nothing but criminal activity. Those riots are just like the G8 riots and such without the political motivation.”

exactly –

this is lawlessness, pure and simple. the people out there aren’t angry about university costs or program cuts or anything like that.

“I want to pi$$ off the police … the police can’t do nothing”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faPJx7zmbUk

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