Recalls in Wisconsin, Rick Perry’s White House run, etc.
A wrapup of the world of politics:
In Wisconsin, voters in six state Senate districts are going to the polls today to decide whether to recall their Republican legislators, each of whom took active roles in passing controversial anti-labor legislation early this year.
If three or more of the seats turn Democratic, the GOP would lose control of the state Senate, Republican Gov. Scott Walker would be rebuked and could face possible recall himself, and Democrats around the country would see the populist-themed campaigns as a template for the 2012 elections.
If not, not.
Polls close at 8 p.m. Central, 9 Eastern, but the races are expected to be tight so we might not know the outcome until early morning.
In Iowa, Republicans are gearing up for the Ames Straw Poll on Saturday, an early test of strength in the race for the GOP presidential nomination. One person not on the ballot is Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who this week has made it as clear as he can — short of a formal declaration — that he intends to run.
According to Politico, “the Texas governor will remove any doubt about his White House intentions during his appearance at a RedState conference in Charleston” Saturday.
According to Gallup, “Perry will start in a strong position relative to other candidates if he decides to enter the presidential race soon. Perry’s Positive Intensity Score is the highest of any Republican tested, and significantly higher than that of presumptive GOP front-runner Mitt Romney.”
Gallup derives its “Positive Intensity Score” by subtracting a candidate’s strongly unfavorable sentiment from strongly favorable.
And finally, in the first poll of its type I’ve seen in the aftermath of the debt ceiling debacle, CNN asked 1,080 Americans how they’re feeling these days about Republicans, Democrats and the Tea Party.
A month ago, the GOP’s numbers in the same poll were 41 percent approval, 55 percent disapproval. For Democrats, they were 45 percent approval, 49 percent disapproval.
And of course, as a variety of polls have reported, the reputation of Congress in general is in the pits. CNN reports that just 41 percent of Americans believe their own congressman deserves re-election, “the first time ever in CNN polling that that figure has dropped below 50 percent.”
“We could very well see a situation where voters just start throwing incumbents out of windows, with those in competitive seats situated closer to the open windows. Only in the 1992 election, just after the twin House Bank and House Post Office scandals, have we seen an election with more than 10 House incumbents of each party losing reelection to the opposite party, and that was after an unusually large number of retirements and primary-election defeats. Worth noting is that was a post-redistricting election, just as 2012 is. But this one could be much worse than 1992, this is far more consequential than personal financial peccadilloes.”
– Jay Bookman
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Native AmericanTigerLily
August 9th, 2011
10:25 pm
These comments are so silly, especially the racist ones. # 1) Other cultures usually don’t show up to court when they have paid the fine or the day of the court date to pay the fine, rather than, sit in a court room all morning. Doesn’t make them irresponsible, transient or whatever else you can come up with. Why sit there when they can pay and leave?( parole officer in Cobb Co.) 2) I haven’t seen an intelligent president before this one, he is doing the same as all of the others. Nothing different. Except for the area of sexual promiscuity. SMDH, I would love to see different comments on the internet.
willydoit?
August 9th, 2011
10:29 pm
We live in a sad America when we throw out the politicians for doing the right thing and reward the scum bags by keeping them in offfice
Dusty
August 9th, 2011
10:30 pm
Bookman,
I have not seen any signs of hidden glee over the riots in London. Are you trying to suggest something sinister and probably aimed at conservative Americans?
I smell a piece tomorrow on racism so everybody can rant all day. It will be the same ol’ stuff over and over.
I know you are not writing for the Boy Scouts but could you skip the every day secret suggestive club number? No use to be a consistent rabble rouser..
Jay
August 9th, 2011
10:32 pm
Then read the post from the racist who calls himself “Civilized”, Dusty. You will see a good example of the genre.
George Watson
August 9th, 2011
10:33 pm
You can smell the fear.
Maybe in another hundred years the South will still be talking about losing the war against the Democrats. LOL
Dusty
August 9th, 2011
10:37 pm
One “civilized” does not a majority make nor a genre. If the police reports from London say so, then I am more inclined to understand your lead. But right now, you are looking for blog material..
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
10:38 pm
I have not seen any signs of hidden glee over the riots in London. Are you trying to suggest something sinister and probably aimed at conservative Americans?
Dusty–Consider the source. This is the same man who denied that playing the race card is a staple of those on the Left. Direct quotes from Obama campaign workers, well-known liberal commentators, and liberal ex-Presidents did little to sway his foregone conclusions. Are there “some” racists on the Right?? Of course, but there are plenty on the Left too. As for coming up with hard data to convert this “some” into an actual percentage, Jay doesn’t need any. His intuition is good enough for him.
MEGO
August 9th, 2011
10:38 pm
JM @9:59
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romneys-transparently-phony-outrage/2011/03/03/gIQAYQOk4I_blog.html?hpid=z5
Jay
August 9th, 2011
10:41 pm
Who said anything that even barely hints at such a thing as “a majority,” Dusty?
For that matter, who said anything about “conservative”?
Dusty
August 9th, 2011
10:42 pm
George Watson,
What ARE you talking about? Southern Wisconsin?
MEGO
August 9th, 2011
10:42 pm
Dusty @10:37, would you mine putting those special powers to use on the lottery for me?
MEGO
August 9th, 2011
10:44 pm
Jay @10:41, I am sure you are familiar with the saying ” A hit dog will holler”
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
10:44 pm
Can you believe the audacity of this white Republican racist…
Philadelphia mayor talks tough to black teenagers after ‘flash mobs’</b.
PHILADELPHIA — Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.
“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”
“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”
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Oops, please forgive my mistake; he is not white or Republican. Racist, you decide.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
10:44 pm
Someone is confused. The “black youth problem” is right here in Philadelphia right now (Chicago a few weeks ago):
Headline: “Philadelphia mayor talks tough to black teenagers after ‘flash mobs’ ”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/mayor-talks-tough-to-black-teens-after-flash-mobs/
Headline: “Nutter Sets 9 PM Weekend Curfew For Minors In Center City, University City”
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/08/08/nutter-sets-9pm-weekend-curfew-for-minors-in-center-city-university-city/
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
10:44 pm
For that matter, who said anything about “conservative”?
Then quell our suspicions, Jay. Do you, in your heart of hearts, believe that there are (1) more conservative racists than liberal racists (2) more liberal racists than conservative racists (3) About the same number on both sides. Your rant about “some” of the criticism of Obama being racially driven seems to suggest scenario (1) to me.
Don't Forget
August 9th, 2011
10:45 pm
Bruno, help me out here. Who brought up race in the British riots?
md
August 9th, 2011
10:46 pm
“”They call it looting and criminality. It’s not that. There’s a real hatred against the system.” His friends, some covering their faces with hoods, nodded in agreement.”
Hmmm…….the system that even has “free” healthcare………give an inch take a mile………….
And some here think selfish is only on one end of the spectrum……………
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
10:46 pm
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
10:44 pm
++++++++++
I don’t care who you are, that’s uncanny.
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
10:47 pm
Like minds think alike ?
As you said, let’s just be thankful that wasn’t a white Republican major or the libs. would be calling for his head !
Dusty
August 9th, 2011
10:49 pm
Bookman,
Nobody said anything about a majority. I did say PROBABLY conservative. You do know the meaning of PROBABLY, don’t you?
It also means your fairness to conservatives rates right along with that of getalife. Two of a kind. You are a bit more subtle. Just a bit.
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
10:50 pm
Nothing yet on the CNN poll demographics?!? Surely Jay had them before using that poll, right? I mean, after all, a lot of people here look up to Jay as the unbiased authority, right?
md
August 9th, 2011
10:51 pm
“They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,”
About sums it up……..regardless of color……….dress like you’ve been there before and you half way give a damn……..
getalife
August 9th, 2011
10:52 pm
I love cons Dusty.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
10:53 pm
Bruno, help me out here. Who brought up race in the British riots?
You got me, DF. I’ve only seen one poster here doing so, whatever his political persuasion may be. I’ll say it’s likely that that poster would self-identify as a conservative. As for the general media, I wouldn’t know. I haven’t watched a news broadcast in months.
As for the general question of which races perpetuate the most violence, it’s no secret that blacks commit a disproportionate share if one is to base that on crime statistics. Selective enforcement?? I can’t answer that, but murder statistics are definitely skewed in one direction. I would like to believe that prosecution for murder is unbiased, whereas prosecution for assault might be. The bottom line is that every stereotype has a kernel of truth to it. I know that this touches a deep nerve in Brother Brosephus, since the actions of a few cast aspersions on the many unfairly. But, in the end, facts are facts.
Dusty
August 9th, 2011
10:57 pm
Sure, getalife, but you believe only libs!
Aint love grand??
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
10:58 pm
INSIDE SCOOP…
CNN All six Wisconsin senate districts remain Republican in landslide. DNC dejected.
(beats me, but it got your attention)
AmVet
August 9th, 2011
11:00 pm
The cowardly mystery meat in question, by his own words, is a racist.
Quit trying to defend him or parse this into something it is not. And for gawdsakes quit this nonsense about who has more/bigger racists.
Black-hating, racist scum like him have been with us forever and likely always will be.
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
11:00 pm
But Bruno:
Just remember, if green Martians landed and were eating people alive it would be “racist” to start looking for “green” suspects.
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
11:01 pm
getalife
August 9th, 2011
10:52 pm
I love cons Dusty.
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cons loves hacksaws and some love other cons. some loons marry cons.
So, have you and 3482715 picked a date yet?
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:03 pm
Who said anything about a “majority,” Dusty asks?
Well, Dusty did, for one. I quote: “One “civilized” does not a majority make nor a genre.”
And here we have Scout trying to claim comparisons between Wisconsin and London. Tell us, Scout: What conclusions do you wish us to draw from these alleged comparisons? Is there some theme you claim to see here? Please, come out and state it explicitly.
We also have Glenn Beck, telling President Obama “You encouraged what happened in Wisconsin, you encouraged the Arab Spring. Why aren’t you talking about the great energy-saving programs that are going on now at, like, furniture stores in London?”
Really, the president encouraged what happened in Wisconsin? Do tell, sir, do tell.
At conunderground.com, we have a headline reading “Organized Black Mobs Burn London and Rob White Londoners.”
At redrobinchronicles.com, we have this lovely little bit of verbiage:
“Is this what you want for your children, White man? Your western nations, built with so much sacrifice and toil, to be put to the torch by hordes of savage, sociopathic simians and defective dune-coons? Do you honestly think your Rush Limpdickian propositional nationhood nonsense will turn these beasts into anything remotely civilized and human?
It’s time a fire begins burning in our hearts instead of our cities. A raging weltanschaung of White racialism.”
At conservativetimes.org we have this:
“Violent black flash mobs have become endemic to the United States in the past year. Starting with the “Beat Whitey Night” at the Iowa State Fair, there have been hundreds of violent black flash mobs across the United States, which have shut down parts of Chicago and Philadelphia. Most recently, at the Wisconsin State Fair, large groups of blacks viciously targeted whites. In most cases, the US media have suppressed information on the mobs, refusing to report that they’re black mobs (often violently targeting whites), and misleadingly have reported that the mobs are “youth mobs.”
As many of America’s worst tendencies have been exported to Europe and the UK, so too has the black mob organized by social media, as evidenced by the race riot in London last night.”
At incogman.net, out of Southern California, we have this:
“AFRO-CARRIBEANS,” OR what I sometimes call Afreakin’ Apes, have been looting and burning London for 4 consecutive days and nights now. They are even reported to be going into restaurants and homes to violently snatch off the rings and watches off decent, law-abiding White people, now sick and tired of all the Jew multicult crap.
On the streets in broad daylight, they are car-jacking, brutally beating any White they corner and are even forcing Whites to strip naked to further humiliate them (right). Unbelievable! How much more of this crap are we going to take? Have the Jews turned us all into sniveling PC weaklings, too afraid to even talk, let alone do anything else?”
I said nothing about a majority Dusty. You went there, not I. I don’t for a minute believe that a majority of conservatives are racist, not even close.
But I do know what I see and hear and read.
getalife
August 9th, 2011
11:03 pm
It sure is Dusty.
cons make me laugh.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:05 pm
Quit trying to defend him or parse this into something it is not. And for gawdsakes quit this nonsense about who has more/bigger racists.
C’mon, Am. Can’t pass up an opportunity to take a cheap shot at Jay.
More seriously, I seem to recall you characterizing conservatives as being more racist on average than liberals. Any truth to that rumor?? If so, what do you base that opinion on?? What’s not in doubt, in my mind, is that Libs like to play the race card at every turn.
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
11:06 pm
Jay:
“And here we have Scout trying to claim comparisons between Wisconsin and London. Tell us, Scout: What conclusions do you wish us to draw from these alleged comparisons? Is there some theme you claim to see here? Please, come out and state it explicitly.”
Have you been drinking?
All I did was clarify for the posters that the “black” rioting was in Philadelphia right now (don’t know where you got Wisconsin) and not London.
You need to catch up ……….. or lay off the bottle.
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:07 pm
Jay I seriously hope you’re not still up to wait for WI election results….
RW-(the original)
August 9th, 2011
11:07 pm
Uncle J,
Is that an actual CNN headline? The reports I’m getting say the GOP should hold four and have a pretty good chance of holding five tonight, but six isn’t very likely.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
I don’t for a minute believe that a majority of conservatives are racist, not even close.
Any reason you’re avoiding my question to you, Jay:
Do you, in your heart of hearts, believe that there are (1) more conservative racists than liberal racists (2) more liberal racists than conservative racists (3) About the same number on both sides. Your rant about “some” of the criticism of Obama being racially driven seems to suggest scenario (1) to me.
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
By the way …………… the theme is not being raised right whether you are a white thug in London or a black thug in Philadelphia.
My Dad grew up in the depression in the wiles of West Virginia. Guess what …………. they didn’t have one riot. Grandma would have put it down !
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
And Uncle Jed, I’m not so sure of your source there:
I just checked the latest results. Three of the GOP senators in Wisconsin have won handily, one Democrat is winning handily, another Democrat is winning with 40 percent of the vote in and the sixth race is too close to call.
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
(Reuters) – Arkansans shopped until they dropped on Saturday, braving temperatures deep into the triple-digits to take advantage of the state’s first sales tax holiday weekend.
“I have never seen anything like this,” said Clancy Graham, a manager at Little Rock’s RK Collections Boutique, an independently owned store. “If we could do this three times a year, it would be amazing. It has done crazy good stuff for our business.”
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Hmmm. The State (and feds) will still collect taxes from the businesses profits and the employees payroll and the trucking companies, and on and on. Hmmm. Putting more money in the pockets of consumers may not be a bad idea. They might actually spend it on goods and services. Hmmm.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/08/us-arkansas-taxholiday-idUSTRE7773GY20110808
Don't Forget
August 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
Bruno,
my point is in how we view things. We’ve all seen riots by soccer hooligans, and most of the participants appear to be white yet no one sees this as a “white problem” or even feels the necessity to comment on it. Same thing for biker gangs. How many black “outlaws” have you ever seen? Somehow it isn’t seen in racial terms when the perps are white. I can see why, our friend, Brocephus is upset by this. Does a good kid, who happens to be black, become tainted by this when they go on a job interview. In some cases probably so and that’s REALLY unfair.
md
August 9th, 2011
11:11 pm
R’s take first 3 races in WI………3 too close to call.
Interesting considering all the hoopla the past year……….must be those pesky independents…..2012 should be interesting as well……I certainly don’t see Obama as a shoe in……..
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:11 pm
All I did was clarify for the posters that the “black” rioting was in Philadelphia right now (don’t know where you got Wisconsin) and not London.
And we did have that wonderful exercise in civil disobedience a while back following the Rodney King verdict. Here in Atlanta, one of my clients, a Korean grocer, was forced to the roof of his business by angry mobs. Police were in visible sight, but did nothing to protect this man and his family, who had absolutely nothing to do with Rodney King. He ended up with a nice, fat settlement from the City of Atlanta before it was over.
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
11:11 pm
(beats me, but it got your attention)
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Sorry if you didn’t get that I just made it up to mess with some of you. I apologize, although I am encouraged to learn that some are doing well. Tomorrow we will all know for sure.
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:13 pm
Yes, Bruno, 1.) is the correct answer.
This is hardly proof, but it is suggestive: In the examples I posted above, it’s conunderground not libunderground, is it not? It’s conservativetimes not liberaltimes, is it not?
Again, to restate, I do not for a minute believe that most or even close to a majority of conservatives are racist. I know — and like and love — too many good people who are conservative to make such an absurd claim.
But most racists are conservative. That plain enough for you?
AmVet
August 9th, 2011
11:14 pm
JB. good job at providing a plethora of information aimed at shutting down the racist enablers and those who amazingly pretend not to notice the bigots, because they are of similar ideology.
Bruno, I have noted correctly that liberals have been at the forefront of civil rights. From the very beginning to this day.
I have noted correctly that arch conservatives fought viciously to preclude them. Even murdering those said liberals.
Those are the facts and they are incontrovertible.
I also believe that virtually none of today’s arch-conservatives would no more get on that bus with the Freedom Riders today than they did then.
What next?
Those racist signs at tea party gatherings were liberal plants?
I am not into keeping score but when I see far right wing numbskulls here puke up revisionist history in at attempt to portray conservatives as the historical best friends of people of color (or even us Jews), it makes me sick…
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
11:17 pm
But most racists are conservative. That plain enough for you?
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Sir, that is a pathetic statement. How could you or anyone possibly quantify such fodder?
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:17 pm
Riiiggght, Scout:
And what exactly did you mean by this:
“Just remember, if green Martians landed and were eating people alive it would be “racist” to start looking for “green” suspects.”
Those “green” people. Gotta watch out for them, now don’t we. Because we can judge people by their color, right?
There is no other explanation for that post.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:18 pm
We’ve all seen riots by soccer hooligans, and most of the participants appear to be white yet no one sees this as a “white problem” or even feels the necessity to comment on it. Same thing for biker gangs.
DF–You ever visited a jailhouse?? Not even close to being racially equal, let alone racially proportionate. I won’t pull them up here, but compare crime statistics from Cobb and Gwinnett County vs. DeKalb and Fulton and get back to me. Or am I racist to even consider facts and statistics??
I can see why, our friend, Brocephus is upset by this. Does a good kid, who happens to be black, become tainted by this when they go on a job interview. In some cases probably so and that’s REALLY unfair.
It’s absolutely a crying shame that the innocent pay for the sins of the guilty. I can only answer for myself and the clinics I’ve worked for. We’ve hired nearly an equal number of black and white secretaries through the years, primarily dependent upon which neighborhood the clinic was in. When I ran a clinic on Mayson-Turner Ave in the early 90s, I was the only white guy for miles.
md
August 9th, 2011
11:19 pm
“But most racists are conservative. That plain enough for you?”
Based on what??
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:20 pm
Most racists are conservative”
If I can refine that statement to provide a bit more legitimacy to it: most white racists since the civil rights era are “republicans”.
Happy to help jay
Uncle Jed
August 9th, 2011
11:20 pm
Y’all have fun. The host must be drunk. Honestly, Jay. You should be ashamed.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:21 pm
But most racists are conservative. That plain enough for you?
I appreciate your candor, Jay. I respect a man who admits his biases.
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:21 pm
Based on their own testimony, md.
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:22 pm
jm, you speak for yourself, and I’ll speak for myself.
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:22 pm
Kashkari kicking Obama in the teeth on CNN. He says: just go do Simpson Bowles moron.
AmVet
August 9th, 2011
11:25 pm
In an effort to quantify, I found this interesting data
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/09/how-much-more-racist-are-white-conservatives-than-white-liberals/
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:26 pm
Wouldn’t dream of speaking for you. But if you want to defend that statent I’d point out the fallacies in the generalization that therefore require qualification
Racists pre civil rights were generally democrats
The idiot racists generally vote republican, but I would not call them conservative. Of course people have different definitions of conservative, but racists are neither fiscally nor morally conservative.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:27 pm
And to think I almost signed off early. Very enlightening evening, Jay. I’m sure your posts tonight will answer a lot of questions.
At any rate, must be my night. The Mets and Texas both came from behind. If the Phillies do their thing, ol Bruno will be a happy camper.
md
August 9th, 2011
11:27 pm
Based on their own testimony?? Is there a requirement that all racists must testify?
I think you are stretching it a bit……and then your definition of “conservative” must be a bit different also. I know plenty of liberal leaning white folk that are racist, but far from voting in any conservative fashion……..and then I’d hazard a guess that the racists among minorities are also quite mixed….if not skewed in the other direction…….but I’m guessing based on personal experiences…….I suspect you are doing the same……
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 9th, 2011
11:27 pm
It looks like Jay is just pi$$ed that Wisconsin isn’t working out to be the slam dunk he (and others) thought it was going to be.
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:28 pm
And oh yeah, to the extent there are black racists, I seriously doubt they are republicans….
Don't Forget
August 9th, 2011
11:29 pm
Or am I racist to even consider facts and statistics??
That depends ENTIRELY on any conclusions you may draw from it. What exactly is your point in making those observations. Most serial killers are white. So what, it means nothing.
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:29 pm
jm, I would agree with most of that. And I certainly agree that there are black racists as well, and that most of them are NOT conservative.
Dusty
August 9th, 2011
11:32 pm
Well, Bookman you are correct. I said “one ‘civilized’ does not make a majority”. “Civilized” was the name of the poster and he does NOT make a majority. So you brought up majority in another fashion.. The old twist and turn you use so often.
So, have at it. But “we” also “see and hear and read” but not for political propaganda purposes as you do. We, the average Americans , want to know the status of many things and we don’t like someone’s version of happenings written with a slant and a paycheck. It may be journalism but it has lost the main ethic of that title. .
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:34 pm
Jay 11:29 common ground!
Now if only the super duper fourth such committee can do as well
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:34 pm
I did not bring up majority in any fashion, Dusty, until you made a charge that needed to be refuted.
Don't Forget
August 9th, 2011
11:35 pm
Jay
August 9th, 2011
11:29 pm
And I certainly agree that there are black racists as well, and that most of them are NOT conservative.
There ya go Jay, I would have been disappointed if you hadn’t pointed that out. As to who has more, I wouldn’t even begin to know how to figure that out.
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
11:36 pm
Jay:
Just like the black APD Sgt. I heard on the radio a few years back who worked the evening watch in a very tough black area of Atlanta.
He said he stopped EVERY SINGLE white person on his beat. Why? Because they were either lost (and needed directions fast to get out of there) or they were there to buy drugs. He called that “profiling” and said he would continue to do it in the interest of citizen safety and good anti-drug law enforcement.
Well, there you go. Good for him !!!
P.S. I meant if “green Martians” landed I hope they are conservatives because we need their votes.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:37 pm
In an effort to quantify, I found this interesting data
Am–I perused your poll of unknown origin. Putting aside questions about how the poll was conducted, the percentages assigned to liberals and conservatives weren’t that far apart. Not far apart enough to support Jay’s blanket statement that most racists are conservative. As for the “Obama Question”, the survey says (In my best Richard Dawson voice): Would you vote for a black President?? Libs: 96.4 Cons: 93.8
Real Scooter
August 9th, 2011
11:37 pm
Whew! Who poked the hornets nest?
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
11:38 pm
No one has really answered why the white thugs in London and the black thugs in Philadelphia are rioting.
Why are they not working on their lincoln logs, erector sets, ham radios or something?
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:40 pm
The busiest hometown newspaper blog in the city to busy to hate sure does devolve into race issues a lot. Just an observation. Maybe the moniker is due for revocation
Don't Forget
August 9th, 2011
11:41 pm
Looks like a nail biter in Wisconsin. Regardless who wins, it’s historic considering the number of recalls involved.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:42 pm
That depends ENTIRELY on any conclusions you may draw from it. What exactly is your point in making those observations. Most serial killers are white. So what, it means nothing.
The conclusion I drew from all the crime statistics I read is that blacks commit a disproportionate share of violent crime, including murder, such that the stereotype of black “thugs” has at leas a kernel of truth. In return, DF reminded me that soccer hooligans are overwhelmingly white, and you reminded me that serial killers are overwhelmingly white. So, I’ll be extra careful when cruising around Ashby and Simpson late at night, you be on guard for soccer hooligans and serial killers. Fair enough??
RW-(the original)
August 9th, 2011
11:42 pm
I think the only way y’all are going to figure out this “more racists” question is with some CNN poll of “random people that we can get to answer” that gives no demographic breakdown.
G’night!
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:43 pm
Scout. Must be light pollution. I just got a new book on how to build a dobsonian telescope. It’s awesome. But this Philly blokes and londoners have too much light pollution to entertain any such hobby…
Get Real
August 9th, 2011
11:45 pm
Funny how Wisconsin’s budget is now balanced and half the jobs added in the country last month were added in Wisconsin. Yep, the leadership shown by the republican governor is really looking weak…not
The recall is being lead by unions and I wonder if their membership really approves of all their dues being spent by corrupt union leaders on this recall effort. By the way, there are several democrats potentially being recalled as well…
buck@gon
August 9th, 2011
11:46 pm
1080 Americans.
Let’s see, the progressively more significant list of polls begins with Americans, then voting age adults, then likely voters.
According to any poll of likely voters, Obama is deadmeat.
AmVet
August 9th, 2011
11:48 pm
Saw that, B. Agreed that the accuracy, etc is somewhat unknown.
And the percentages are pretty close in most cases.
Which is on reason why I linked it.
As I said earlier, history in this matter, is squarely on the side of liberals. They are the ones who fought alongside and died alongside blacks.
And I don’ t think there has been even minor reversal in that paradigm in the past 50 years.
I am not saying there are not social conservatives, (like yourself, if I dare presume) who have not also joined in the fight for civil rights and basic justice. There mus t be countless of them.
But,I presume that most conservatives, have never been, nor are now socially engaged in these matters.
For a variety of reasons…
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:50 pm
Comedy central. Not covering the recall.
As a matter of fact, msnbc seems to be flying solo….. No surprise there.
1811/0311
August 9th, 2011
11:52 pm
Jm:
LOL !!
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:52 pm
Amvet. I’d say our family has been democrat primarily due to the way the civil rights era played out. But fiscal matters are important too, and now. And the dems post Clinton have been dropping the ball.
Bruno
August 9th, 2011
11:52 pm
I did not bring up majority in any fashion, Dusty, until you made a charge that needed to be refuted.
Well, Dusty, good work. Our combined 1-2 punch to Jay finally got the truth out of the man. We’ll have to set our religious differences aside more often.
Early morning, gotta run.
Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 9th, 2011
11:53 pm
Right now in WI, 3 GOP senators keep their seats, 1 GOP senator has lost theirs, and one is almost finished counting with about a 1,200 vote lead by the Dem with 3 precincts to count.
The last race has the Dem ahead by1,700 votes, but only 55 of 82 precincts have been counted and some heavily Republican areas are experiencing delays (probably busy manufacturing votes if the libs are to be believed).
AmVet
August 9th, 2011
11:55 pm
Jm, no doubt. They are complicit in these fiscal failures of moral courage as much as their colleagues “across the aisle”.
Well, at least the dufus at 9:02 unwittingly provided a basis for some discourse tonight.
And with that, gentlemen, I’m out…
Jm
August 9th, 2011
11:57 pm
Lessee. Msnbc reporting from democrat rally. No msnbc camped out to cover republican rally.
Good thing that equal time thingie has gone the way of the dodo bird…. I guess.
Bruno
August 10th, 2011
12:00 am
As I said earlier, history in this matter, is squarely on the side of liberals. They are the ones who fought alongside and died alongside blacks.
Whoops–Gotta stop and throw the BS flag on AmVet. Do a little reading on the Civil Rights Movement of the late 1950s and early 1960s when most of the significant legislation was passed, and you’ll find Republicans at every turn passing, implementing, and enforcing civil rights, with Democrats (ok, Southern Democrats) doing most of the resisting. I hope I don’t have to back up this well-known fact with links, because I’m tired and have to go. I’ll leave that for your homework assignment, Brother Am.
And BTW, I’ll take your word for it when you say you purposefully put your poll up to support a position that there are likely an equal number of racists in both the liberal and conservative camps, even though that belies every statement you have made here on the blog that the conservatives are the racists. Never too late to correct the error of your ways.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2011
12:00 am
Jay,
I saw your 11:03 post and was dismayed at your posting of the website incogman.net as a “conservative” site. Balogney! This was nothing short of a hate site that few if any of the cons on here have ever heard of. And you try to pass off this hate site as a conservative site? Shameful and blatantly misleading on your part.
Now about all these charges of racism and black racial attacks. Some of it is true, some isn’t. In regards to England from what I can tell it started in the black neighborhoods but then it spread and there are certainly a lot of white as well as black faces that I see in all that looting. In those riots it seems we have a bunch of worthless thugs of both races.
Now about the Wisconsin state fair, the Iowa state fair last year, NY city, and especially Philly and Chicago, and other cities to a lesser extent like Greensboro, NC and the flash mob here in Atlanta that attacked 2 Delta employees on the marta. Its somewhat disturbing that there is virtually no national media coverage of the what is a documented and growing trend of mobs of black youth singling out and attacking individual whites. Why? Why are we not having a national dialogue on this subject.
You can darn well bet that if it was white gangs singling out and attacking and beating individual blacks that it would be plastered all over the tv and all we would hear is how racist and evil white America is. I want to know why there is virtually no coverage of this phenomenon and why black leaders except for the Philly mayor are largely silent on this issue.
And I’ld like to know why neither Cynthia nor yourself nor anybody else to my knowledge at the AJC is writing about a disturbing trend that apparently the liberal national media wants to sweep under the rug.
I suspect part of the reason liberals don’t want a dialogue on what can only be classified as hate crimes is that liberals, in their benign racism, do not want to hold people equally accountable for crime. In your own peculiar brand of paternalistic racism you don’t think we should hold minorities equally responsible for hate crimes or for violent crime period regardless of intent.
Secondly I think you guys are scared of the topic because of the obvious question about 2nd amendment rights. I notice that these flash mob attacks are taking place in cities which unless I’m incorrect tend to have tough anti gun local ordinances- NY, Chicago, Philly, and perhaps Milwaukee although I really don’t know. I suspect that if people could arm themselves with concealed weapons in these cities that perhaps these mobs wouldn’t be so brazenly attacking their victims. But I doubt you guys want to go into the 2nd amendment debate. One thing is for sure. I’ll bet there are a lot of shop owners in England right about now that wish they had the same 2nd amendment rights that we do.
1811/0311
August 10th, 2011
12:06 am
Thulsa:
……………. or green Martians …………….
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Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k
August 10th, 2011
12:07 am
2nd Dem has won in WI. Last race not even close to being called.
Don't Forget
August 10th, 2011
12:10 am
Bruno, do you REALLY want to defend a racial stereotype? And, again, what is the significance of this “kernal of truth”? I’m still not gettin it.
Don't Forget
August 10th, 2011
12:18 am
Jm,
Lessee. Msnbc reporting from democrat rally. No msnbc camped out to cover republican rally.
Good thing that equal time thingie has gone the way of the dodo bird…. I guess.
“The equal-time rule specifies that U.S. radio and television broadcast stations must provide an equivalent opportunity to any opposing political candidates who request it. This means, for example, that if a station gives one free minute to a candidate on the prime time, it must do the same for another candidate.”
1.There are no candidates at the rally that I have seen, from either party. 2.I know Scott Walker was invited but declined and 3. the polls are closed
What the heck are you whining about?
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2011
12:20 am
And now to the health care debate and some comments Bruno made.
“Insurance is supposed to be a hedge against catastrophic loss, not a clearinghouse for any and all payments into and out of the system. By increasing the participation of the insurance companies, costs are going up, not down.”- Bruno
Absolutely. As an insurance agent I’m saying get the insurance companies the hell out of the everyday health care business. Health insurance should go back to what it used to be- insurance against unexpected and catastrophic events like cancer, heart attack, etc. The entire idea of insurance is to pay for unexpected and catastrophic events- not everyday health manintenance. It shouldn’t be in the business of paying for everyday crap like doc visits, small lab and diagnostics tests, etc. You don’t ask your car insurance to pay for new tires, oil changes, etc or for your homeowners insurance to pay for pressure washing or replacing an old roof or painting or a new air conditioner. So why do you expect your health insurance to pay for routine medical checkups and bills?
2 other things that Bruno also echoed. First of all a lot of docs have taken and will take cash and there is a growing trend locally where docs now will charge a family rate of $50 a month and unlimited $15 copay visits for a family plan and $25 a month and unlimited $15 copays for individuals- much cheaper than a health insurance plan that includes doc visits. My girlfriend pays her doc $50 cash for visits since she is not covered for regular doc visits. If people would get off their lazy arses and shop for medical services the same way they clip coupons for a box of macaroni or shop for deals on tires or big screens or laptops or anything else then they would be surprised how much money they could save.
And yes. The docs limit the numbers of docs admitted to medical school and yes. They absolutely do collude on price fixing. My dad is in the orthodontistry business in Alabama and he has firsthand knowledge from an orthodontist that in a conference of local orthodontists they started openly discussing what they charge for services which is blatantly against the law and nothing more than price collusion.
And in regards to govt getting its hands all over Obamacare didn’t the CBO just come out a couple of times and say Obamacare is going to cost billion dollars more than originally forecasted?
And I saw in the news today a new mandate that now health insurance must pay for birth control and other things for women. Why not just let the women who want birth control for themselves pay for it? So now everybody is going to have to pay higher insurance premiums to pay for something that the users of the service themselves should be paying for. What a dang mess. What kind of a fool actually thinks the govt will make health insurance cheaper for everyone?
JKL2
August 10th, 2011
12:21 am
I’m embarrassed for district 18 tonight. A really good man was taken out by the union thugs. I guess they really needed our votes.
It looks like the Republicans will hold on. It will be really interesting to see what happens next week when the demwits go on the chopping block.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2011
12:29 am
JKL2,
Are you saying the last Republican held on. Also I think the Dems only needed to win 3 seats to take control. And do you have that hilarious link that you posted earlier today. I think it was on the riots but can’t remember.
Don't Forget
August 10th, 2011
12:31 am
Thulsa, no offense intended but orthodontists aren’t doctors. And I have NEVER heard docs comparing their fees which IS illegal as is investment in companies/services they refer too (unless there are no other local competitors)
Bruno
August 10th, 2011
12:35 am
Bruno, do you REALLY want to defend a racial stereotype? And, again, what is the significance of this “kernal of truth”? I’m still not gettin it.
DF–You’re a smart man, I’m sure you can figure it out. My 11:42 is self-explanatory.
And now to the health care debate and some comments Bruno made.
Just my opinion, DF, but I think the AJC made a big mistake by hiring Kyle Wingfield as its conservative mouthpiece when ol’ Bruno was available. I’m guessing the Bruno Blog would put up numbers far in excess of Jay’s Blog, even if primarily consisting of hot-air liberals whose deep, malicious, non-factually based biases were exposed at every turn by little old moi. I notice that our high-school debate champ, Joe Mama, high-tailed it out of here after he got a taste of Bruno. Granny Godzilla, like so many hot air Libs, was reduced to cheap insults after she got her dentures handed to her tonight. As for Jay, I guess he can’t leave since it’s his blog, but I think he’s going to have a hard time living this night down now that his own ugly prejudices have bubbled to the surface. Maybe he’ll take a look at the survey that AmVet put up showing that racial attitudes among libs/cons, Dems/Repubs are virtually identical across the board. As far as him admitting that he’s just one more Lib hack, I’m not expecting it since, as stated before, it’s not within his character to admit that he’s wrong.
Bruno
August 10th, 2011
12:38 am
And I have NEVER heard docs comparing their fees which IS illegal
Hence my verbiage silent collusion , DF. But I guess you wouldn’t know since you’re pretty much an employee of the hospital, right??
Mary Elizabeth
August 10th, 2011
12:42 am
In Wisconsin, Kathy Nicholas, the county court clerk in the District 8 – Waukeshaw County – has said that election results will be held up for “at least an hour”, between Sandy Pasch (D) and Alberta Darling (R), who supports ending Medicare and who is close to governor Scott Walker. Pasch has been ahead. If Pasch were to win, Democrats would have their needed 3 Democrats needed to overturn some of the newly established laws by Republicans against workers’ bargaining rights.
This type of hold up of vote results has happened before by Kathy Nicholas in District 8 and each time – doing so – has helped Republicans. The validity of this process in District 8 needs to be looked into seriously. Something seems unusual, to say the least. That district has had the same voting machines as all the other districts in the state, according to commentators.
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About racism and conservatives. From my personal experience growing up in Georgia, most white people did not want to integrate the society before the Civil Rights legislation. Most who did not want to integrate the society would never have self-professed to being racists, but they had “elements” of racism in their psyches that were obvious to me because they did not want to swim in the same pools with black people, or share the same bathrooms or water fountains with them, among many other views they expressed which, to me, showed elements of racism.
The majority of Georgians for at least a century have been conservatives whether they called themselves Democrats or Republicans. I can understand, Jay’s comment that most racists are conservative (in answering a blogger’s question), although – as he also said – the majority of conservatives are not racists. He further said that those African-Americans who are racists are not conservatives. His comments were balanced, in my opinion, and consistent with what I have experienced.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2011
12:43 am
Don’t Forget
August 10th, 2011
12:31 am
Thulsa, no offense intended but orthodontists aren’t doctors. And I have NEVER heard docs comparing their fees which IS illegal as is investment in companies/services they refer too (unless there are no other local competitors)- Don’t forget
Don’t forget,
I understand that orthodontists aren’t exactly medical doctors. My point though is that similar to medical doctors the schools to train them keep the numbers artificially low in order to keep out competition and limit the number of doctors to keep salaries high. And I do know that these orthodontists were openly discussing what fees they charge. The orthodontist who was telling my dad the story chimed in and said what they were doing was illegal. They ignored him and he simply got up and left. I seriously doubt the man was lying. What purpose would he have in lying. And I seriously doubt that medical doctors regularly collude but it wouldn’t surprise me if they occasionally just kinda mentioned what they charged in casual conversations and get togethers. I would think its unrealistic to say that this never, ever happens.