Recalls in Wisconsin, Rick Perry’s White House run, etc.

A wrapup of the world of politics:

In Wisconsin, voters in six state Senate districts are going to the polls today to decide whether to recall their Republican legislators, each of whom took active roles in passing controversial anti-labor legislation early this year.

If three or more of the seats turn Democratic, the GOP would lose control of the state Senate, Republican Gov.  Scott Walker would be rebuked and could face possible recall himself, and Democrats around the country would see the populist-themed campaigns as a template for the 2012 elections.

If not, not.

Polls close at 8 p.m. Central, 9 Eastern, but the races are expected to be tight so we might not know the outcome until early morning.

In Iowa, Republicans are gearing up for the Ames Straw Poll on Saturday, an early test of strength in the race for the GOP presidential nomination. One person not on the ballot is Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who this week has made it as clear as he can — short of a formal declaration — that he intends to run.

According to Politico, “the Texas governor will remove any doubt about his White House intentions during his appearance at a RedState conference in Charleston” Saturday.

According to Gallup, “Perry will start in a strong position relative to other candidates if he decides to enter the presidential race soon. Perry’s Positive Intensity Score is the highest of any Republican tested, and significantly higher than that of presumptive GOP front-runner Mitt Romney.”

Gallup derives its “Positive Intensity Score” by subtracting a candidate’s strongly unfavorable sentiment from strongly favorable.

And finally, in the first poll of its type I’ve seen in the aftermath of the debt ceiling debacle, CNN asked 1,080 Americans how they’re feeling these days about Republicans, Democrats and the Tea Party.

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A month ago, the GOP’s numbers in the same poll were 41 percent approval, 55 percent disapproval. For Democrats, they were 45 percent approval, 49 percent disapproval.

And of course, as a variety of polls have reported, the reputation of Congress in general is in the pits. CNN reports that just 41 percent of Americans believe their own congressman deserves re-election, “the first time ever in CNN polling that that figure has dropped below 50 percent.”

As Charlie Cook notes:

“We could very well see a situation where voters just start throwing incumbents out of windows, with those in competitive seats situated closer to the open windows. Only in the 1992 election, just after the twin House Bank and House Post Office scandals, have we seen an election with more than 10 House incumbents of each party losing reelection to the opposite party, and that was after an unusually large number of retirements and primary-election defeats. Worth noting is that was a post-redistricting election, just as 2012 is. But this one could be much worse than 1992, this is far more consequential than personal financial peccadilloes.”

– Jay Bookman

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Left wing management

August 9th, 2011
4:38 pm

It’s all the Tea Party’s fault.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
4:48 pm

Funny how Wisconsin was a reasonable state with reasonable people until a Republican Gov. decided to play extreme politics…

I guess there are many who are regretting their Republican “protest” vote…

Uncle Jed

August 9th, 2011
4:49 pm

About the CNN poll: No demographics = No significance. Even worse than Rasmussen, wouldn’t you say, Jay? Didn’t you find it somewhat interesting that the “random, ahem, respondents” were evenly divided when it came to democrats? Did you even care once you saw it helped your cause?

First poll of its type… Yep, pure horse hockey.

Patrick

August 9th, 2011
4:50 pm

1 percent of the country has never heard of Republicans!!

Real Scooter

August 9th, 2011
4:51 pm

Jay,can you tell me what is a recall all about or tell me where I can go to learn about it?
Please and thank you!

Don't Tread

August 9th, 2011
4:51 pm

More than half the people don’t like the Tea Party and Republicans, according to CNN.

Well that settles it. Send out the Gestapo to round them up!

kayaker 71

August 9th, 2011
4:53 pm

I think that after watching Bozo’s news conference today, anyone the Repubs put up could beat him. What a sophomoric attempt at being presidential. Perry is a good choice. Romney is gearing up for a liberal onslaught that the liberals feel is necessary to win. They seem to have nothing else except vilifying rhetoric against any opponent who disagrees with them.

Peadawg

August 9th, 2011
4:55 pm

“In Wisconsin, voters in six state Senate districts are going to the polls today to decide whether to recall their Republican legislators” – Who actually stayed and voted and did their damn job. The chicken-sht Dmocrats who ran away are the ones that should recalled. So sad.

“CNN reports that just 41 percent of Americans believe their own congressman deserves re-election” – Vote all the senators and house reps out that are eligible in 2012. Same goes goes the invertebrate in the oval office (can’t even say his name anymore). Period.

Union

August 9th, 2011
4:55 pm

the unions are driving the recall effort.. what a shocker…

obama gets on tv and blames the tea party for preventing his plan from being able to “save” us.. only problem was.. obama never had a plan.. but dont let the truth get in the way of some good teleprompter time..

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
4:56 pm

Not very scientific, but the 1st Democrat to face a recall election, Sen. Dave Hansen, won in a landslide. And he didn’t even have to resort to running a fake candidate against his opponent in the primary. How novel…

Real Scooter

August 9th, 2011
4:58 pm

Never mind Jay! I found something about it.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
4:59 pm

“Perry is a good choice”

For the base…to bad all Democrats and most Independents were totally turned off by his gratuitous placation of the right wing base this past weekend. No reasonable voter wants a religious ideologue in the White House…even a hypocritical one.

Uncle Jed

August 9th, 2011
5:02 pm

We don’t always need be at one another’s throat, do we?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A blonde lady motorist was about two hours from San Diego when she was flagged down by a man whose truck had broken down. The man walked up to the car and asked, “Are you going to San Diego?”

“Sure,” answered the blonde, “do you need a lift?”
“Not for me. I’ll be spending the next three hours fixing my truck. My problem is I’ve got two chimpanzees in the back which have to be taken to the San Diego Zoo. They’re a bit stressed already so I don’t want to keep them on the road all day. Could you possibly take them to the zoo for me? I’ll give you $100 for your trouble.”

“I’d be happy to,” said the blonde. So the two chimpanzees were ushered into the back seat of the blonde’s car and carefully strapped into their seat belts, and off they went.

Five hours later, the truck driver was driving through the heart of San Diego when suddenly he was horrified! There was the blonde walking down the street, holding hands with the two chimps, much to the amusement of a big crowd. With a screech of brakes he pulled off the road and ran over to the blond. “What the hell are you doing here?” he demanded, “I gave you $100 to take these chimpanzees to the zoo.”

“Yes, I know you did,” said the blonde. “But we had money left over so now we’re going to Sea World.”

+++++++++++

Off to a meeting. Watch out for those scientific CNN polls, they bite ;-)

Real Scooter

August 9th, 2011
5:02 pm

Can Obama be recalled?

( serious question) anybody please

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:03 pm

Put ‘em all in one place and blow ‘em all the hell up…

jm

August 9th, 2011
5:03 pm

Romney will win Florida (after a decent NH win), and it will be all but completely over for the Republican nomination.

Jay

August 9th, 2011
5:03 pm

No Scooter. Impeachment is the only recourse.

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:05 pm

REAL SCOOTER

Ask the ghost of Richard Nixon…

jewcowboy…
Long time, no see…what’s up?

Real Scooter

August 9th, 2011
5:06 pm

Thanks Jay!!

larry

August 9th, 2011
5:06 pm

Well, this is the second poll which shows disapproval ratings for the the tea tards at 40+. I believe in the long run they are going to regret running their mouth stating they would love to see the U.S. default on its debt. People are getting tired of the tea party and it shows. And it also shows the tea tards are dragging the POG right down with them.

And while Rick Perry may show strong support early , i think his association with the tea tards will make that support unsustainable. I mean, we are still cleaning up the mess the last Gov. from Texas made.

Union

August 9th, 2011
5:09 pm

s&p.. if you dont cut your budget.. we are going to downgrade you.. what part of that was too complicated for the democratic party to understand?

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:13 pm

Howdy josef,

“Long time, no see…what’s up?”

Vacation + jury duty = a lot of backed up work. This is just an observation and isn’t meant to come off as racist, but the largest collection of white people in Fulton County is in the jury pool.

md

August 9th, 2011
5:13 pm

I do find it interesting how so many blame a movement that didn’t even exist when the 14 trillion debt was accumulated………………………..

A bit like blaming a group of doctors deciding how best to dress a wound………………the wound is the problem.

And both parties had all 3 segments of the gov’t in the not too distant past, and neither addressed the wound………so get over it.It’s time to find a solution…………or keep the status quo…….yeh, that sounds like it would fix the problem………..

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:14 pm

jewcowboy

Tells you something about voter registration, doesn’t it…they don’t ever pick me…can’t figure out why. Unmentionable gets picked every time…

Don't Forget

August 9th, 2011
5:15 pm

Polls like these are like a baseball score after the third inning. It’s interesting, it might suggest an eventual outcome but there’s a whole lot more ball to play.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:16 pm

Union:

What part of S&P: “Lehman Brothers 1 month before they crash and burn: “A” or S&P to Credit Suisse before they take a $317M loss on their CDO’s: “AAA”

Does S&P have any credibility?

Matti's Shadow

August 9th, 2011
5:16 pm

Power to the People! (**raises fist**)

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:20 pm

josef,

The clerk told me they (Fulton County) are having something of a crisis. After 2008, the voter registration rolls swelled, but evidently quite a lot of them turned out to just vote for Obama, and are lower income and more transient. Either they don;t update their addresses when they move or they aren’t responding to summons. Either way, the majority of people that show up are middle to upper-middle class white people. Lawyers are starting to use this as an excuse for a mistrial as an all white jury is not a jury of their peers.

Real Scooter

August 9th, 2011
5:21 pm

Vacation + jury duty = a lot of backed up work. This is just an observation and isn’t meant to come off as racist, but the largest collection of white people in Fulton County is in the jury pool.

Hi jewcowboy! Not to come off racist either,but,whites are more likely to show up to do their duty as a citizen. And no y’all,I ain’t got no link!

pogo

August 9th, 2011
5:22 pm

Jay, denial is un-becoming of you. While you repeatedly try to tell yourself (and everyone else with your un-ending fascination with this poll or that poll) that Obama and the Democrats and the progressive agenda are not in trouble, the truth remains; they are and it is. The story today about the Obama’s campaigns planned scorched earth tactic against Romney proves that Obama has nothing else to offer the American people in an election and that they are willing to resort to anything to try to keep “Obama the Incompetent” in power. I mean at this point what else have they got? It certainly his (or Pelosi or Reids) sterling record of achievements, is it? Demonization is now the last resort of a dying progressive movement in this country. People are just plain tired of the president and his cronies and want change. Real change, not the kind made for TV.

Obama is a loser. Many a liberal is now wishing that Hillary Clinton would have been the 08 nominee and the eventual president. And I have to say, I agree with them. She would have a been a stronger leader. I could almost have supported Hillary against McCain.

Thulsa Doom

August 9th, 2011
5:23 pm

Recall Obama? One can dream can’t they? Oh well. We only have roughly 17 months till he’s out of office anyway. How much more damage do you really think he can do in another 17 months anyhow? Never mind. Don’t answer that question.

Rick Perry is going to wipe the floor with the community organizer. Book it!

jm

August 9th, 2011
5:24 pm

jewcowboy 5:16 – sounds like you’re suggesting the US is really only single A, not double A. :) Probably right.

Thulsa Doom

August 9th, 2011
5:25 pm

Analogy of the year.

Blaming the tea party for the downgrade is like blaming the guy for calling 911 to report a fire.

Jefferson

August 9th, 2011
5:26 pm

Perry won’t come close to the nomination and the GOP has nothing to run, again.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:26 pm

jm,

“sounds like you’re suggesting the US is really only single A, not double A”

I tend to think the US is a bit better than CDO’s or Lehman Brothers. And that is not even taking into account S&P’s $2T mistake!

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:27 pm

False Analogy of the year.

Blaming the tea party for the downgrade is like blaming the guy for calling 911 to report a fire.

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:27 pm

jewcowboy

I was talking not long ago with one of my latino colleagues who’s heavily involved in voter registration and this is one of the points he makes to those he’s trying to see the need for voter registration. So many people never stop to think about this aspect of voter registration and it’s not something that receives a lot of attention. I was checking just now in the new social studies textbook and this is not even mentioned, much less made a lesson…It’s something I make a point (lesson) of…

Jefferson

August 9th, 2011
5:28 pm

I remember when Newt was going to save the country, fickle folks.

md

August 9th, 2011
5:28 pm

“Does S&P have any credibility?”

Obviously not, as investors poured into the very treasuries that were just downgraded.

Not bad for “not aaa” debt……………………

Here’s Paulson on the subject:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Disaster-Movie-Gets-a-Sequel-nytimes-2939191772.html?x=0&.v=1

Don't Forget

August 9th, 2011
5:30 pm

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:16 pm

Does S&P have any credibility?

Not with most people. As George Will said on “This Week”, “S & P would have lost all credibility if they had any credibility to begin with”. The flight to treasury bonds yesterday is just another example as investors did the exact OPPOSITE of what S & P recommended.

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
5:30 pm

Trying to take a poll and a special election result and use it as a trend is not very bright. They are both single points in time, and largely manufactured by media hype.

Since special elections are done to satisfy special interests and not the interests of the electorate at large, I suspect that 4 or more seats will revert to Democrat control in Wisconsin, especially given it’s historically Democrat leanings. I doubt that there will be sufficient energy to recall Scott Walker if that happens, however.

As to the polls, they’ll fluctuate as they always do, depending on what Washington does in the next 6-9 months. Right now, though, this poll without any details behind it merely reflects the negative reporting of the Republicans and Tea Party-ers by the main stream media over the past few weeks in an attempt to prop up Hope & Downgrade’s ™ dismal performance.

out of the blue

August 9th, 2011
5:31 pm

Pogo…First things first. I voted for scty Clinton in the primaries, but alas she didn’t win. McCain had the dunce Palin on his ticket. So I chose the lesser of the two evils, and glad I did!

Who was it that said “you go to war with the army, and equipment you have?

Don't Forget

August 9th, 2011
5:31 pm

md, jinxx lol

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 9th, 2011
5:35 pm

Well, I just don’t understand it. If you got a bunch of good conservative Republicans elected, why would you want to recall them? These Wisconsin people are as nuts as the rest of the Northreners.

Glad to see Perry about ready to run. If we can’t beat you, we’ll take us out of this rotten Union. Anyhow, he’s big on prayer, and him and Bachmann can get together and pray a whole bunch of the gays straight. They’ll be so straight they’ll want to marry women just to be able to cheat on them. That’s the American way, not lusting after some big hairy man.

Have a good Friday night everybody. I’m going to be a real man and go up to Billy Bob’s. That is, if the missus says it’s OK.

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
5:37 pm

Actually, jewcowboy, without the Tea Party, Congress would have simply raised our debt limit with no spending cuts at all, which S&P said would have lowered our rating as well.

Thulsa’s analogy is quite correct.

md

August 9th, 2011
5:38 pm

Wasn’t it just a couple of months ago when the predictions were that Prosser would also lose the WI SC position?? And that was fresh in the minds of voters…………….

Chickens…..hatch……count…….and all that…………..

Left wing management

August 9th, 2011
5:39 pm

Wow, can you believe some FOX News hack said “Obama inherited a AAA rating from George W. Bush” ?

Wow, did you hear some halfwit congressman from Texas — no doubt the Texas answer to Paul Broun — said Obama should be impeached?

Don't Forget

August 9th, 2011
5:39 pm

Ok, here’s the plan. Put Perry in DC and in no time he’ll secede it from the rest of the country. It’s brilliant.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:39 pm

md / Don’t Forget,

“Obviously not, as investors poured into the very treasuries that were just downgraded.”

“The flight to treasury bonds yesterday is just another example as investors did the exact OPPOSITE of what S & P recommended.”

Perhaps an update in lyrics is required: http://youtu.be/Jne9t8sHpUc

Barackalypse NOW

August 9th, 2011
5:40 pm

Jay, nothing will change the fact that you’re a loser.

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
5:41 pm

Forgot about the Perry part of this column.

He’s an idiot.

Why would you wait until AFTER a national debate with your upcoming opponents to announce your candidacy? Sure, he’ll likely have less people to worry about following Ames, but not significantly so, and now you have to wait until who knows when to get on a stage to contrast yourself against them.

Not impressed with a lot of what he’s about, but this doesn’t do anything to impress me, either.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:41 pm

Dave R.,

“Congress would have simply raised our debt limit with no spending cuts at all, which S&P said would have lowered our rating as well.”

I wish I had your “What If” machine. Supposition after the fact may help you sleep at night, but it’s not factually correct.

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:42 pm

So, now we’re off to blame it all on S&P…for what? Calling it like it T I is?

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
5:43 pm

Doom

One more thought about our conversation downstairs – one reason why govt asst doesn’t bother me is that it gives more purchasing power to more people thereby expanding our economy – it’s one way the govt spending helps the economy – none of the money is saved it is put right back in the accts of many private companies. Yes it does effect market prices, but it also keeps people employed.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:45 pm

Dave R,

I agree. Now is not the time elect someone to the White house who received a “D” in economics from Texas A&M.

kayaker 71

August 9th, 2011
5:46 pm

The riots in the UK. I can see that happening here in Macon. We are now the 17th most dangerously violent city in America, regardless of size. More murders, car jackings, drug gangs and black on black violence….. #17. Those idiots in the UK….. intent on making the “rich people” the enemy. Sound familiar?

Jay

August 9th, 2011
5:46 pm

John Galt, how do you square Ayn Rand’s argument that altruism is evil with your own Christian faith?

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:46 pm

BOSCH
@ 5:43

And for the life of me, I can’t see how otherwise reasonable people cannot see that…

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:47 pm

josef @ 5.42,

Did S&P call it like it is with Lehman Brothers or Credit Suisse’s CDO’s?

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
5:47 pm

“Supposition after the fact may help you sleep at night, but it’s not factually correct.”

Actually, it IS factually correct, jewcowboy. Their concern was primarily with our debt load and our inability to address it. They had already put a warning out back in March or April about a downgrade if we didn’t address it. Despite all the focus on the gridlock issue by the left, the main issue was the debt and deficit at it’s core.

We didn’t address it.

It got downgraded.

Sorry if it doesn’t fit your false “The GOP and the Tea Party caused this” meme.

Don't Forget

August 9th, 2011
5:51 pm

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:42 pm

So, now we’re off to blame it all on S&P…for what? Calling it like it T I is?

Actually the subject was S&P credibility. They missed the mortgage based securities fraud and made a 2 trillion dollar error in the debt analysis. And if that isn’t enough, their job was to rate the debt and the market completely disagreed. Their political conclusions may have been correct but political punditry is inappropriate in financial analysis, IMO.

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
5:51 pm

Josef,

It’s just so much easier to judge people as worthless and lazy and create false stereotypes. :)

pogo

August 9th, 2011
5:53 pm

And Merry Ole England is now burning because of its populations addiction to its socialistic and progressive social and economic policies. Once the bill came due for all their spending and there was no money left to pay for it, the spoiled populace turned violent. It is also happening here, although in a much more brutal fashion, in Wisconsin, Philadelphia and Chicago. The thugs here did it because they wanted violence and retribution against “the enemy”, as it were. They aren’t sophisticated enough (yet) to know that the milk cow is now officially dry. Yes, it is under-reported because of the American media’s wish that it will all just go away. “Flash Mob” is the moniker they currently go under here and what that particular term has come to mean is that it gives thugs cart-blanche to go out and and pillage, inflict personnal injury and to destroy. I congratulate the Mayor of Philadelphia for calling it like it is and taking action against these thugs. We need more men like him. The Mayor of Chicago, the illustrious Rham Emmanuel (Obama’s main man) did no such thing. The police in Great Britain can’t even carry firearms and the law abiding citizens certainly can’t. Now the law abiding citizens over there are blaming the police for not being able to protect them as they are not capable of protecting themselves. Over here, I wouldn’t suggest that the “Flash Mobbers” carry their corruption to the more, how should I say it, “well prepared” states in this country. They may be in for quite the surprise.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
5:54 pm

jewcowboy
August 9th, 2011
4:48 pm

“jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
4:48 pm
Funny how Wisconsin was a reasonable state with reasonable people until a Republican Gov. decided to play extreme politics…”

muuuwwwaaAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!. Comments like this always make me laugh.

Shovel Ready Jobs and other Tales

August 9th, 2011
5:54 pm

“John Galt, how do you square Ayn Rand’s argument that altruism is evil with your own Christian faith?”

Huh? What needs to be “squared”?

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
5:56 pm

Pogo,

I saw your post on the other thread. During the day I have one job and at night I have another. When I am working my day job I blog, when I’m working at night I don’t.

josef

August 9th, 2011
5:56 pm

“John Galt, how do you square Ayn Rand’s argument that altruism is evil with your own Christian faith?”

Not to answer for Galt, but I would hazard that he’s by his faith in the teachings of the Christ and those of Ayn Rand in similiar fashion…pick and choose those that fit and ignore those that don’t…
I always find it amazing when a person of faith is a “follower” of Rand…have they never read what she had to say about believers?

jewcowboy…
I understand what you’re saying…but what I am referring to is their stance vis a vis the monkey shines from Belle Watling’s place in DC…

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
5:56 pm

Pogo, I’m not sure what you’ve read and heard, but I thought the riots were about a cop shooting someone.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:57 pm

Dave R.,

Your comment was “without the Tea Party, Congress would have simply raised our debt limit with no spending cuts at all”

My comment was not about S&P, but rather about the assumption that Congress would have simply raised the debt limit without the Orange Pekoe Brigade’s intransigence. You have no way of knowing that.

And point of fact, a good many of the OPB declared they would refuse to raise the debt under any circumstance. I’m sure that appeared reasonable to creditors.

md

August 9th, 2011
5:57 pm

“So, now we’re off to blame it all on S&P…for what? Calling it like it T I is?”

They got political……..forgot about their job……to analyze the ability to pay…….the ability is still there…..

Do not confuse the political with the ability……….they are different. Moody’s and Fitch seem to agree…..

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
5:58 pm

And pogo, not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!

Doggone/GA

August 9th, 2011
5:58 pm

“Huh? What needs to be “squared”?”

anyone want to volunteer to tell him how revealing that question is?

poison pen

August 9th, 2011
5:59 pm

Let’s see if I got this straight, the libs are blaming the tea party for our economy and the S&P downgrade, at least according to a lot of you here and the liberal news outlets.

Are you all talking about the same sh***y economy that we have had for the past 8 or 10 years? is it that economy?
Or the same A$$holes that have been in power for the past 15 years?

Do you people even realize how stupid you sound. Seriously do you, to try and deflect to one group for all of our problems is really bizzar.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
5:59 pm

Leg Lamp,

“Comments like this always make me laugh.”

Feel free to show how Wisconsin was a partisan hotbed before Walker’s actions….

poison pen

August 9th, 2011
6:00 pm

Bosch, As long as it’s only a cape and not a trench coat, it’s ok.

Bosch

August 9th, 2011
6:00 pm

Dave,

Yes they are but it’s so much more fun to scream about socialized, they after all are the core of the ruination of everything!

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
6:00 pm

“My comment was not about S&P, but rather about the assumption that Congress would have simply raised the debt limit without the Orange Pekoe Brigade’s intransigence. You have no way of knowing that.”

Of course not, However, given the historical nature of Congress’ previous actions, that isn’t exactly a leap of faith, either. Of course, if you think they would have addressed it any differently than they had dozens of times, please elucidate.

Otherwise, by statement and Thulsa’s stand as fact.

Doggone/GA

August 9th, 2011
6:01 pm

“but I thought the riots were about a cop shooting someone.”

Reports last night said that’s what started them, but the consensus of the local people was that was not their reason.

Matti's Shadow

August 9th, 2011
6:01 pm

BOSCH
@ 5:43

And for the life of me, I can’t see how otherwise reasonable people cannot see that…

I know, right? Like, what do they think, the poor people take their food stamps & gubmint checks and stash them in secret interest-bearing accounts in the Caymans where they’ll forget to report the income? Hide it in the name of their third wife (a real beauty from Brazil)? Or take a “risk” and invest in high-margin endeavors that employ citizens of India to make things the rest of the world consumes, or in a derivative ponzi scheme that will benefit no one in the end except the crooks who stack the pyramid? Please…. even those committing fraud and abuse of the entitlement system are still spreading most of that money around in their communities, into the cash registers of businesses that hire people who consume and pay taxes.

josef

August 9th, 2011
6:01 pm

“And Merry Ole England is now burning because of its populations addiction to its socialistic and progressive social and economic policies.”

And, still, it’s in the triple A club…

BOSCH
Like those 50% who “pay no taxes.” I keep asking, but can’t any of them tell me where I can get me one of them cards to present at the cash register…

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
6:02 pm

md,

“Do not confuse the political with the ability……….they are different. Moody’s and Fitch seem to agree….”
Excellent point. Since so many seem to want to compare the US economy with a personal economy (incorrectly)…it seems apt to point out a couple may disagree which bills to concentrate on, but that does not mean they cannot or will not meet their financial obligations.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
6:02 pm

“SUN UNLEASHES LARGEST SOLAR FLARE IN OVER 4 YEARS… ”

This is because of man-made global warming on earth……

TaxPayer

August 9th, 2011
6:05 pm

“SUN UNLEASHES LARGEST SOLAR FLARE IN OVER 4 YEARS… ”

This is because of man-made global warming on earth……

For some reason, I’m not in the least surprised to see such a post from you.

Left wing management

August 9th, 2011
6:06 pm

Shovel ready: “Huh? What needs to be “squared”?”

I think what Jay’s alluding to is the bizarre popularity in religious America of Ayn Rand, an atheist whose entire system of thought flows from her atheism. What Jay may be getting at is that Rand based her philosophy of leaving individuals to the stern destiny of fending for themselves, with no sympathy for those who fail, on atheism while many Americans who warm to her ideas do so coming from a deeply religious place. It’s strange bedfellows, to say the least.

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
6:06 pm

“it seems apt to point out a couple may disagree which bills to concentrate on, but that does not mean they cannot or will not meet their financial obligations.”

Except when it gets to the point where there is little hope that the bills will ever be paid off, which is where we’re heading.

And which is one of the reasons why we were downgraded.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
6:07 pm

UK locks down as nights of unrest spread…

Rioters rob people on street, force them to strip naked…

‘Showing the rich people we can do what we want’…

So London has “Progressives” who want what’s “fair”.

Matti's Shadow

August 9th, 2011
6:08 pm

….not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!

My fingers tremble as they reach for the keyboard, stretching out and yearning to reveal my true identity and confirm yours. It is with great effort, restraint, and deep regret that I pull them away now, and exit to my own unsung and rarely-seen call of duty.

josef

August 9th, 2011
6:08 pm

md

As you know, I’ll be the first to admit that “economics” is alien territory to me…but from my illiterate perspective, the “ability” to pay was not in question, the “mechanism” was and the conclusion was that the failure to meet the needs of the mechanism brought the ability into question…

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
6:08 pm

But it’s a “peaceful” protest about what’s “fair”

Verizon Communications Inc. reported a dozen cases of sabotaged cable lines and warned of delays in repairs and customer service on the second day of a strike involving about 45,000 employees.

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
6:08 pm

“What Jay may be getting at is that Rand based her philosophy of leaving individuals to the stern destiny of fending for themselves, with no sympathy for those who fail, on atheism while many Americans who warm to her ideas do so coming from a deeply religious place. It’s strange bedfellows, to say the least.”

And what Jay will never get is that people are born with the capacity of individual thought. Some use it, many simply follow the closest herd.

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
6:09 pm

Dave R.,

“Of course, if you think they would have addressed it any differently than they had dozens of times, please elucidate.”

I could expound on my opinion until the cows come home (of which I have none, so that will give you an idea of the time frame), but it would still remain an “opinion”…the same as you. Your opinion was supposition that in no way backs Thulsa’s analogy…just as mine does not.

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
6:10 pm

But these are “peaceful flash mobs” who are seeking their “fair share” of the American Dream.

“(Philadelphia) Mayor Michael Nutter today announced a tighter weekend curfew in the Center City and University City regions of the city, as he continues grappling with the threat of “flash mobs” in Philadelphia.”

Dave R. - 3k/4k/5k

August 9th, 2011
6:10 pm

“….not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!”

Let’s see. . . night time . . . cape . . .

You’re a vampire? :D

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
6:12 pm

How dare this “racist” Philadelphia mayor disparage those disenfranchised youth who seek nothing more than what is “fair”.

PHILADELPHIA — Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.

Fred

August 9th, 2011
6:12 pm

Just got back from The Aqaurium/and Coke Museum so I’m doing a flyby. Checking email I got a sent a video by Jess Lamb. Never heard of her before but i played it anyway. I figured there were people here (including you Jay) who might like it. They call it a fusion between rock and soul. I don’t know about that, I thought it was pretty damn good though. Song starts about 30 seconds in.

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C0OI9eVsw0&feature

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
6:13 pm

Left wing management,

“I think what Jay’s alluding to is the bizarre popularity in religious America of Ayn Rand, an atheist whose entire system of thought flows from her atheism.”

On a separate note, it gives me a perverse pleasure so many religious zealots embrace Star Trek…the ultimate mythology for Secular Humanists. It’s kind of the same perverse pleasure I get from watching anti-gay bigots dancing to the “YMCA” at weddings…

Don't Forget

August 9th, 2011
6:14 pm

Doggone/GA

August 9th, 2011
6:01 pm

“but I thought the riots were about a cop shooting someone.”

Reports last night said that’s what started them, but the consensus of the local people was that was not their reason.

That’s true but the consensus appears to be that the looters are mainly young, opportunistic hoodlums wanting some free stuff. The PM seemed to eho that.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 9th, 2011
6:16 pm

….not to give away too much personal info but at night my job involves a cape and I’ll say no more!

Bosch is Jack the Ripper?

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

August 9th, 2011
6:17 pm

I actually like the Philadelphia Mayor’s sentiments:

“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”

jewcowboy

August 9th, 2011
6:18 pm

“Bosch is Jack the Ripper?”

Damn…what is he like 150 years old?