Gone fishing … literally
If anybody needs to find me over the next week or so, here’s where I’ll be.
Oh, and you’re going to need a helicopter or a whitewater raft to get there.
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Mick
July 28th, 2011
10:54 pm
Well, I’m out of gas….have a good one all and here’s one for my rock brother bruno-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m6lymJy57E
Bruno
July 28th, 2011
10:56 pm
I’m not a player but he does talk about how he can spot a mark and take all of their money by playing with discipline.
What separates poker pros from amateurs is their people reading skills, Mick. You or I wouldn’t stand a chance with the pros unless we got extremely lucky. And though luck dictates the outcome 90% of the time, that other 10% is critical, and over time lets the cream rise to the top. For many casino games, the house edge is only 2% or so, but due to the Law of Large Numbers, it’s enough to allow them to build those beautiful buildings.
Dusty
July 28th, 2011
10:58 pm
MICK
Minnows are used for bait!! Look forward to a great war dance on the reservation. (Only not tonight. The pirates won! Just a little slip on a rainy night!!)
Fred
July 28th, 2011
10:59 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong.
You aren’t. I have done everything I said I did as you related it. Would I be more “palatable” to you if I were to lie? Your belief or lack thereof doesn’t alter the facts of my life. In 1st grade while others were learning the alphabet and reading Dick and Jane primers, I was reading Encyclopedia Brown and Tom Swift novels. In second grade when they did the flash card thing, I wasn’t allowed to participate. (You know, the move on thing. Two kids stand up and the teacher holds up a flash card, the one who gets it right first moves to the next desk/person and the loser sits down, I never “lost” so I wasn’t allowed to play). In “algebra” class, I was docked points because I wrote the answer without “showing my work.” I had no “work” to show. I saw the problem and knew the answer. In physics, I was chastised for using Calculus to derive the answer instead of Algebra, they didn’t teach Calculus in high school in those days. I had the nerve to actually READ stuff. I read the Encyclopedia set from a-z plus appendages (remember those or are you too young) by the time I was in 4th grade. I was the youngest of 4, I read my sibling’s school books. I taught myself to play piano. Didn’t practice enough though when I was younger. I could do anything I heard from Elton John, Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson by the time I was 20, but by then I had pretty much checked out on everything.
My senior year in English, the first week the teacher handed out a list of a couple hundred books and told us we had to pick one for an end of semester book report. I scanned the list and started writing. Mr. Ladner asked me what I was doing. “I’m writing my book report” I told him. “You need to pick a book you HAVEN’T” read he said. “There are none on this list I haven’t read,” I replied.
So he decided right then to quiz me. When he asked me questions I quoted directly from the books. I was a bit arrogant then, I told him to pick a book and page and start reading it and I would finish the passage. After 5 he stopped. He then tried to search out books I hadn’t read (we didn’t have a TV in my house when I was growing up). He couldn’t find any “literary” works I hadn’t read.
I spent many years actively killing brain cells with drugs and alcohol Bruno, but only recently have I been able to “forget” things. My short term memory is for crap now, and I no longer have a photographic memory, but it took a lot of effort and chemicals. I’d say I’m sorry you don’t believe it, but the truth is, I really don’t give a fat rat’s ass. Your “approval” is very low on my list of priorities.
I slept my way through high school and dropped out of college because I was tired of dumbasses like you who needed to be force fed information that you would regurgitate back on a test and were only concerned with getting a piece of paper that would get you a job. no not a “job,” the “right” job.
You didn’t then nor do you now have a thirst, a hunger for knowledge and learning just for it’s own sake. You just wanted to “get ‘er done.” To you, ‘knowledge” is something you can use to make money or it’s a collection of facts you have memorized or can use to “prove” you are smarter than someone else.
I didn’t have much direction or support from my parents. That’s not an excuse, just another fact. I didn’t have much direction from ANYONE to be honest. Somewhere along the way I just kind of checked out. THAT is my fault.
I try not to make the same mistake with my daughter as my parents made with me. She’s not as bright as I was but she’s pretty damn smart and I try to nurture that. I challenge her.
Again Bruno, I don’t know what you want, but I can only be who I am, and I’m not going to lie to fit with some image you have or want to have or to feed your ego.
I can’t believe that I’m telling you all this. Why bother? It doesn’t fit with YOUR reality and we all know that YOUR reality is all that matters……….
Soothsayer
July 28th, 2011
11:08 pm
GOOD LORD, FRED! Who’s your typing instructor? I want to take lesson from them?
Paulo977
July 28th, 2011
11:08 pm
Mary E
“I simply want that corporation, as well as some other corporations, to be more attuned to the individual needs of their employees, and in turn their employees will be better workers and people.”
It is really not that difficult to figure out
Someone said it also ,in his way, a long time ago….
“An elementary particle is not an independently existing , unanalyzable entity.It is, in essence, a set of relationships that reach outward to other things”!!!!!!
H.P.Stapp
twentieth-century physicist
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:11 pm
Mary Elizabeth: I struggled so HARD typing those words lol. I know we are only as old as we let ourselves be and to ME, you are about 18. You’ve been through a lot and have a lot of wisom and experience, but you have never lost your youthful curiosity and desire to learn. I sense that you, like me are on the impossible quest to know everything there is to know. To understand all. To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.
Oh wait, that last part is the Star Trek intro, sorry. But it fits doesn’t it?
You are definitely unique and I love that about you. I aspire to be as gentle as you are but alas, it’s a hopeless quest in my case. I’m more of a damn the torpedo’s full speed ahead kind of guy lol. But I DID climb about 2/3 ’s of the way up the outside of the Eiffel Tower one drunken night before sobriety kicked in and we climbed back down and got in line to take the elevator, (the stairs were closed). my only regret is that we didn’t go to the top and surprise the guard by climbing over the side to the platform…………….. but it was fun…………
Dusty
July 28th, 2011
11:13 pm
Aw Paulo977
Can’t we just say BE NICE!!
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:14 pm
Mick
July 28th, 2011
10:40 pm
dusty
The florida marlins are going to sneak up on your beloved braves and steal the season, watch out!!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mick: I don’t know what you are smoking but I want 25 cents worth please. If you just posted THAT, there is no way I could handle a dollars worth……..
Bruno
July 28th, 2011
11:16 pm
Your “approval” is very low on my list of priorities.
Which is why you just spent roughly 1000 words or so defending your fantastical claims??
I was tired of dumbasses like you who needed to be force fed information that you would regurgitate back on a test and were only concerned with getting a piece of paper that would get you a job. no not a “job,” the “right” job.
Check out Harvey Mudd College, then get back to me, Fred. You’re only making yourself look dumber by the minute.
Tell you what, if you can explain in layman’s terms why every finite, non-zero inner product space has an orthonormal basis, then I’ll believe every word you just said. It’s a very basic result from Linear Algebra.
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:16 pm
LOL Sooth, I don’t understand. Did I make THAT many typos? I thought I glanced over it once………
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:23 pm
Bruno, I’m “touched” I thought I was on your do not read list. And you COUNTED my words? Wow. 1,000. Is that a record or something? Do I get a plaque?
josef might be impressed with you, but I’m not. you are just another arrogant asshat like I’ve seen at Emory everyday for the last 20 years. Force fed “knowledge” without an original thought in your head. But I AM impressed with your musical taste. you toss out good tunes.
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:28 pm
Oh and Bruno Dear? Do you want Hilbert spaces or pre Hilbert spaces?
Not sure I can simplify it enough for you to understand. I just kind of do it in my head. Since I WASN’T force fed info to regurgitate, I’m not sure that I’ll “test well’ on your little exam. Sorry.
Thulsa Doom
July 28th, 2011
11:31 pm
That’s it. I’m done for the night. Looks like we now have a candidate for the biggest and most complete bullspitter of the year. A guy who says that not only did he read all several hundred random books on a reading list but when the teacher called him out on it with 5 of these books randomly he could recite exact quotes from all of them. Yet he couldn’t remember what he posted on the blog 5 minutes earlier concerning poker on the previous page and had to have it pointed out to him upon being challenged. Then when asked a math question on a subject in which he supposedly taught himself – algebra, calculus, and who knows what else- probably quantum physics, he can’t answer the question posed to him and resorts to namecalling and insults. “Bullspiter extraordinaire” shall henceforth by thou handle. But then again a bullspitter usually is called a bullspitter because people find him believable and hence the term you got bullspitted. No credibility. None!
Bruno
July 28th, 2011
11:32 pm
Well, Fred, I just gave you a chance to support your fantastical claims about your math ability, and you came up as empty as Joe Mama did when challenged to explain the philosophical import of Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem. If you like, take a few days and read up, and give it your best shot. Until then, I know that you are a complete blowhard.
Mary Elizabeth
July 28th, 2011
11:36 pm
WOW Fred, again, you hit it right on the head with your perceptions below!
“I sense that you, like me are on the impossible quest to know everything there is to know. To understand all. To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before?”
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I am definitely my father’s daughter and his favorite song was “To Dream the Impossible Dream” from “Man from La Mancha.” Your story was so touching. I sensed the darkness that you disclosed tonight for the first time regarding the drug use, but I did not know for certain until tonight. Thank you for sharing your story in such a real and meaningful way. I know you must be a wonderful father and husband to your loved ones because you know yourself so well and the roughness is only on the surface. I am sure you love deeply and your family has to feel that love from you. “Love never fails.” It is the only thing that makes sense to me and the only thing that has lasting value in this universe.
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And Paulo977 @ 11:08
Wonderfully wise and loving words, once again, from you.
Do you remember this video? I used it on my blog. You exposed me to it through this blog. Thank you, Paulo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAnfbdU4Wvw
Bruno
July 28th, 2011
11:37 pm
Do you want Hilbert spaces or pre Hilbert spaces?
Congrats, Fred, you’ve just proved that you can find stuff on WIki. Actually explain it in layman’s terms?? Not a chance in hell, since you haven’t the foggiest idea of the meaning. Here’s your chance to prove you’re not just a regurgitator as you claimed I was. If you like, after you admit you don’t know what you’re talking about, I’ll explain it all to you in simple terms that even you can understand.
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:38 pm
LOL Bruno, I thought you were KIDDING about Harvey Mudd college. You weren’t. I haven’t read much on their website but this little bit interested me. Well it interested me in that they felt they needed to include it. I mean EVERYONE who knows about math knows that Pythagoras not only “invented” his theorem but he also “invented” the western music scale. Recent research has indicated that the side of the brain which “controls” mathematics also “controls” musical abilities. Now let me bone up on the harry Mudd school of math and art……… oh, I almost forgot the quote………
Mudd offers nine math, science, and engineering-based majors, all grounded in a solid core curriculum that includes a healthy dose of humanities and social science courses. Why? Because we know that you don’t have to sacrifice your interest in music or art (or anything else) to be good scientists.
Thulsa Doom
July 28th, 2011
11:39 pm
Tell you what, if you can explain in layman’s terms why every finite, non-zero inner product space has an orthonormal basis, then I’ll believe every word you just said. It’s a very basic result from Linear Algebra.- Bruno
I sure as hell can’t figure this one out now. I don’t remember a lick of algebra but when I took it I think I could have figured this out. Maybe. Possibly. Conceivably. Well it is within the realm of possibilities anyway. Okay. Maybe I couldn’t have. . Not sure and I sure as hell don’t pretend to be a math genius-in fact I wasn’t real good at it but it sounds like something a genius would have answered straight forward- certainly in a minute or 2.
Thulsa Doom
July 28th, 2011
11:42 pm
Bruno,
Post the answer before you go to bed. I would like to see the answer in the morning for my own curiosity. Hopefully I will understand it.
Fred
July 28th, 2011
11:48 pm
Oh and Bruno? You couldn’t get in to Cal poly tech or MIT? So you chose Harry Mudd?
I’m sorry for you. In my youthful ignorance, I turned them both down when they sought me. Wish I had known then what I know now or I would have taken that scholarship to MIT. I think I could have learned something there.
Have you ever visited their website? They free source their classes. Not that you would care, YOU know everything there is to know and are quite certain of it and need no more edumication. But if you ever feel this weird urge to further your education ( I know, stupid thing for me to say to you Dr. Newton) they have stuff you can check out. Of course the caveat IS that you actually have to figure it out yourself, something you ain’t too good at. YOU can only memorise things discovered by your betters.
You sir are a hack. Albeit one with apparently a semi decent memory, but a a hack nonetheless. You are a pioneer of nothing. You met your wall (probably as a sophomore) and never chipped away at it. You have the “ability” to understand some simple concepts but after that you are pretty much lost.
Yo Brent Viger? Is that you? You were always pretty lost in Mr. Bones classes…………… but with hard work, anyone can regurgitate…….
Jefferson
July 28th, 2011
11:52 pm
The kind of cuts the GOP can’t even pass won’t come close to paying the debt off without revenue increases, bonehead Congressmen. They can’t cover the interest.
Bruno
July 29th, 2011
12:04 am
TD–I don’t want to deprive Fred of his moment to shine. But, I will give you some hints. All measurement depends upon using a measuring “scale”. In “regular” algebra, we use the x-axis, the y-axis and the z-axis to “fix” every point in space, that is to give it a unique set of coordinates. These familiar coordinate lines are all “perpendicular” to one another, which is the “ortho” or “orthogonal” part of the theorem. If you move a little beyond basic algebra, you learn or realize that all axes don’t have to be perpendicular to one another. In fact, they don’t even have to use the same scaling dimensions. Most importantly, the choice of where to place the “origin”, or zero point is entirely up to us. In this way, no measurement is absolute, but depends on which coordinate system we have chosen.
This result is critical to Einstein’s formulation of his General Theory of Relativity. In essence, he states that each observer has his own frame of reference. In order to correlate our particular frame of reference to that of a moving object, especially one that is accelerating, you have to use some some mathematics. The bottom line is that there is no “zero” point in space around which we can construct some Universal Coordinate System. There are both great practical and philosophical implications to his “discovery”.
Soothsayer
July 29th, 2011
12:21 am
Well, just damn! I didn’t know what I was a-missin’ not comin on here late at night! Heck, we got the “Theory of Relativity” and axes of unknown origin. SHOOT! If I’d a known all this was a going on late at night, I’d a stayed up late more often!
Bruno
July 29th, 2011
12:24 am
You couldn’t get in to Cal poly tech or MIT? So you chose Harry Mudd?
Fred–Give it up. Harvey Mudd is perennially voted the # 1 engineering school in the US by the US News and World Report. It was the first college of any type to receive The Award for Exemplary Program by the American Mathematical Association. Mudd students regularly place high in the annual Putnam exams, despite having a total enrollment of around 700 students. It’s Physics program was rated to be the best in the country by an independent group of Physicists from other top schools. You wouldn’t last a semester there.
But, what really makes it great, and why I chose to go there is its pioneering philosophy: “Technology divorced from humanity is worse than no technology at all.” Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Fred
July 29th, 2011
12:27 am
Tell you what, if you can explain in layman’s terms why every finite, non-zero inner product space has an orthonormal basis, then I’ll believe every word you just said. It’s a very basic result from Linear Algebra.
That’s not computing with me. I’m having to go back to look at stuff I read 30 years ago and never used. My initial thought (after my initial posturing lol) is that you are full of BS and it’s not, but I’m doing a refresher course as I type. But i’m still thinking that my initial response is correct.
But you have me intrigued dammit and I have to get to the bottom of this.
LOL While I’m interested and intrigued, searching for an answer for knowledge sake, YOU (the force fed answer spewer) are merely scoring “points” and you will never understand that will you? No, I thought not. Your mind isn’t big enough to accept that concept.
Oh well, as I said earlier, your belief or lack thereof does not alter the facts or the story of my life.
Bruno
July 29th, 2011
12:32 am
Sooth–Don’t get me started. I’m only limiting myself to three dimensions here to keep it simple. If you really want some curveballs, we’ll have to include non-Euclidian Geometries as well. Maybe tomorrow, Fred can explain to us the nuances of Affine Geometry, or perhaps Projective Geometry.
Fred
July 29th, 2011
12:33 am
Fred–Give it up. Harvey Mudd is perennially voted the # 1 engineering school in the US by the US News and World Report.
Holy sh….. crap. Are you kidding me? They are the American Idol winner of colleges? And I’ve never heard of them? Harry mudd school of something…………
Son, when you talk about colleges and their rankings and so on, you don’t realize to whom you are speaking. But I’ll ask my wife tomorrow about your Harry Mudd school. It’s it’s anything other than a flyspeck on a toilet paper roll she’ll know. Personally/ I’ve never heard of it before.
Bruno
July 29th, 2011
12:42 am
Further hint for Fred: Affine Geometry and Projective Geometry are two types of Geometry for which an “inner product” is not defined. In other words, angles don’t have fixed measurements and there is no such thing as distance. Yet, they are completely consistent and have value in understanding our world. Hilbert himself believed that Affine geometry should be the starting point for understanding all of Geometry.
Tell me what part of my 12:04 is regurgitated, Fred. You’re welcome to google all or part of it and you won’t find a hit anywhere because I just typed it all from my own head. You?? All you have are excuses as to why you can’t answer my question. I appreciate your backpedaling, but you need to learn not to make unsubstantiated assumptions. Admittance into the Brotherhood is completely out of the question, but we can continue to talk later.
Fred
July 29th, 2011
12:45 am
Sooth–Don’t get me started. I’m only limiting myself to three dimensions here to keep it simple. If you really want some curveballs, we’ll have to include non-Euclidian Geometries as well. Maybe tomorrow, Fred can explain to us the nuances of Affine Geometry, or perhaps Projective Geometry.
Bruno: Indulge yourself all you want. I know it makes you feel important and THAT is important to you. I understand. You are a tiny little man doing some obscure job and feel un-appreciated. You can throw some obscure math stuff out that I read 30 years ago and never used, and the truth be told, YOU don’t use, and it makes you feel important. I’m glad I can be here for you bro. On the other hand, you don’t know the difference between a 16 penny nail and a sheet rock screw. Until you google it, you don’t know the shear strength of a 16 penny nail. ( of course you know what the term shear strength means, I’m not a wounded asshat like you trying to make others seem stupid because they don’t know off hand obscure industry specific “facts”).
Actually, you are SUCH an asshat, you have me re-evaluating my thoughts on josef and SoCo. I have yet to see a redeeming quality other than your taste in music. YOU are the blog god here? My expectations are low………
Fred
July 29th, 2011
12:50 am
Funny what a difference a comma can make, MY as in me, expectations are high. My, as in the use of the word as a declaration is what I meant.
I dunno. I’m befuddled by you folks. The things you think are precious I don’t understand. Oh and Bruno? Were we ever to meet in person and you were to call me a liar? Well I’m a southern redneck. I would punch you in the face and things would go from there. I’m betting you would lay down and call the cops Cali boy from Harry Potter University, the greatest wizarding school on the planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-X89na_UoY&feature=fvst
Fred
July 29th, 2011
12:55 am
Yo Bruno? Yu wanna try to nail me on specific battles on the Peloponnesian Wars? I read about those about 40 years ago and never used that info either. I’m sure you can nit pick some “facts” I don’t know to disprove THAT claim as well.
What the hell is your problem/ Did I try to steal your rice bowl unknowingly or something?
Bruno
July 29th, 2011
12:56 am
You are a tiny little man doing some obscure job and feel un-appreciated.
Sure thing, man. You keep worrying about sheet rock screws and 16 penny nails. You’re not even close to my realm.
RW-(the original)
July 29th, 2011
1:08 am
A masseuse is trying to lord their position over screws and nails??? I’ve seen it all I think.
Good luck to y’all in this “debate” and goodnight.
Craig Spinks
July 29th, 2011
1:50 am
Back ti the fishing hole.
Jay,
You make me so jealous that I hope that, rather than catching fish as you wade through those cold clear streams, you catch a cold instead.And bring it back to the ATL with you and keep it for the remainder of the Summer.
Craig Spinks
July 29th, 2011
1:51 am
OOPS: “ti” to “to.”
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
6:37 am
“but she is definitely a liberal columnist.” (re: Peggy Noonan)
ohsweetjeebus … that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in WEEKS
is MR so incredibly stupid that he doesn’t know who Nooners is??? I mean, criminey, Reagan is spinning in his grave like a frickin TOP after that comment …
Normal
July 29th, 2011
6:54 am
Good Friday to all y’all!!!
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/07/28/political-pictures-joh-boehner-worst-slogan-ever/
…and of course, my favorite…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/07/28/political-pictures-cheers-to-the-reagan-years/
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
6:58 am
Normal – the second one is absolutely BRILL!
and happy Friday to you!!
Normal
July 29th, 2011
6:59 am
Kitty time…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/07/28/funny-pictures-pheewww-might-not-want/
and…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/07/29/funny-pictures-thank-ceiling-cat-its-friday/
Normal
July 29th, 2011
7:02 am
Yes USinUK, it is a good friday, especially since I got paid.
In my mystic cult, Passover is the Friday I don’t get paid and Good Friday is payday…works for me…
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
7:05 am
Normal – for me, last friday of the month = payday AND beer and snacks at work this afternoon!! (plus, I made some killer-diller brownies … no, not THOSE kind of brownies … for my coworkers today)
TaxPayer
July 29th, 2011
7:12 am
Beer and brownies! Now there’s a combination sure to excite anyone’s taste buds.
Normal
July 29th, 2011
7:13 am
USinUK,
Brownies are my enemy…filled with that addictive white crystal…sugar. Ah well…
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
7:14 am
g’morning Taxi!!!
TaxPayer
July 29th, 2011
7:15 am
Good morning.
TaxPayer
July 29th, 2011
7:20 am
So, how’s the debt impasse going to play out. Will this issue help to bring down the GOP and relocate them to their rightful place in the back of Air Force One.
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
7:32 am
Good Morning Morning Crew…
Pay day for me is Thursday….one of the reasons that Friday night steak night evolved…..
Baby G loves him some ribeye, but prefers a handful of buttered and sour creamed baked potatoe to our standard home fries. Already he’s
rebel.
With enough sour cream dripping down his chin he looks a wee bit like Colonel Sanders.
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
7:37 am
GG – made the most amazing steak sammy last night – used a Nigella marinade and made a special horseradish cream spread …
want to go back in time and eat last night’s dinner again
Normal
July 29th, 2011
7:41 am
Granny,
I was born in Corbin, Kentucky and my family went to his place on Sundays. He used to, as Mom puts it, carry me around and bounce me on his knee. They claim he showed me his “secret recipe”, but I can’t recall it…
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
7:47 am
USinUK
Sounds wonderful, but our Friday fare is simple.
Slap that cow and pop it on the weber…..some crusty bread and a couple of fresh veggies.
And most importantly, family, family, family.
Normal
July 29th, 2011
7:48 am
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Normal
July 29th, 2011
7:48 am
Whoops!
Rightwing Troll
July 29th, 2011
7:53 am
ohhh… a pissing contest… how wonderful!!!!
why don’t you over educated yo-yos apply your advanced intellects to change the world… not just Jay’s liberal blog?…
a number of old maxim’s apply here… I like: ” those who can’t… teach.”
Paul
July 29th, 2011
7:57 am
G’morning, all!
“Good Morning Morning Crew…”
And after browsing thu the evening and night crew comments, here’s hoping they sleep in for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time -
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
7:57 am
GG – yumyumyum …
okay. 1:00. Gym time.
later taters!
Paul
July 29th, 2011
8:00 am
Heard on the news that Spkr Boehner was calling in recalcitrant Republicans and pretty my saying ‘you get on board or we’ll do everything we can to make sure your political career is short-lived.” Then I read this morning some of these bozos (no insult to clowns intended) actually want a default.
Hope Boehner follows thru. ‘Cause sure as today’s gonna be hot, many of those districts are going to return those anarchists to Congress.
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:01 am
damn. not gym time. waiting for a postponed meeting.
poison pen
July 29th, 2011
8:04 am
New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
By James Taylor | Forbes – Wed, Jul 27, 2011tweet2285ShareEmailPrintRelated ContentNew NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism
NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth’s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.
Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.
“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show,” Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. “There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”
In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.
The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.
Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is “not much”). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.
The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA’s ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.
In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth’s atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth’s atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.
When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a “huge discrepancy” between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.
James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News.
Well do you believe it now????????????????????????????
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:08 am
“Heartland’s mission is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems … and deregulation in areas where property rights and markets do a better job than government bureaucracies.”
http://www.heartland.org/about/
agenda much?
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:10 am
Nothing to worry about
Paul
July 29th, 2011
8:11 am
poison pen
“Well do you believe it now????????????????????????????”
Do I believe new data comes to light that questions specifics of some computer models? Sure.
Do I believe that such models, predictors of future activity, have no bearing on past activity that shows climate change tied to man’s activities since the Industrial Revolution? Sure.
BTW, regarding your contention on ’selling a point of view to my liberal friends” – come up with any hospitals yet where you can walk in and say “I have few resources, no (or minimal) health insurance but I have colon cancer. Will you treat me, even it it takes a few years?
@@
July 29th, 2011
8:12 am
Pelosi said, “Look, I am a mom and a grandmother. I view my work in politics as an extension of my role as a mom. There are things we want to do for our children that are simply beyond us.”
She’s your Mama….that’s so swe-e-e-e-e-et.
schnirt
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:13 am
From Sourcewatch
Taylor has criticized climate change science through both his own publications and op/eds, and the Heartland Institute, which has consistently received funding from ExxonMobil. [2] While Taylor espouses through Environment and Climate News that climate change is neither a significant nor man-made problem, and that scientists who say it is are environmental extremists, others argue that a “major purpose of the publication has been to look at global warming from industry’s perspective” rather than through the viewpoint of real science.
Who do I believe? Not an oil company stooge.
Gale
July 29th, 2011
8:14 am
Normal, I do believe my dad was born in Corbin Kentucky. Bell County, yes?
Paul
July 29th, 2011
8:15 am
Granny
Okay. Not anarchists.
Barbarians.
AmVet
July 29th, 2011
8:17 am
Morning gang. Yes Paul, even by the ahem…..standards here, yesterday was quite something, wasn’t it?
With the demise of Harry Callahan, WOW, George W, Swampy, NiF and gawknows what other sock puppets, there is still one major league ahole that infects this forum. I’ll leave it up to you folks to decide exactly which polymorphous piece of work that is.
But overall, we have a great group of folks here. Just as in my non-virtual life, I find that the majority of people are pretty cool, with just a smattering of lowlifes. But why do they have to be supposed conservatives? (grin)
pen, that alarming article was cut and pasted here yesterday. See if you can count the times that goof uses the word alarmist or alarming? Hysterically amateurish writing. And, not to simply shoot the messenger, but the Heartland Institute??? LOL! They are a generally derided and highly discredited far right wing quasi-think tank with a noted history of scientific blunders.
Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news…
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:17 am
Fox Anchor Wonders If Moon Volcanoes Mean Global Warming Isn’t Happening
Now who do you believe?
poison pen
July 29th, 2011
8:18 am
Granny, It’s always better to believe Al Gore.
Gale
July 29th, 2011
8:18 am
Granny, There’s your sign.
poison pen
July 29th, 2011
8:19 am
AmVet, Please see my reply to Granny.
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:20 am
Limbaugh Theory: People Believe In Global Warming Because Air Conditioners Make Their Homes Cool
Now who do you believe? This guy? How about this guy? Yea, it could happen!
AmVet
July 29th, 2011
8:23 am
pen, you only make yourself less persuasive on this topic when you publicly eat red herrings for breakfast. (Yuck!) Whether they are of the Al Gore variety or not…
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:23 am
and a snappy reply it was to be sure!
in fact I’d give it 3 snaps up
Normal
July 29th, 2011
8:25 am
Gale,
Yes Bell County. I had an Uncle who was the School Superintendent of the County.
@@
July 29th, 2011
8:26 am
When the discussion goes to global warming or religion, I see people blogging in their “draws.”
Mick
July 29th, 2011
8:26 am
AmVet
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July 28th, 2011
8:21 pm
I’m into superlatives tonight and jamvet I envy the fact that you saw the great zep at the zenith of their powers – that’s one for the rock history books…..
Sure is an ugly site watching the boehner & co implode; who’s gonna clean up the mess and dispose of the bodies?
Paul
July 29th, 2011
8:27 am
AmVet
Amazing. I was reading the posts and thinking “I may relate to the relative newbie the tale of the blogger named Harry.” Tell him the theme song is open for adopting, as he’s venturing into that territory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSklX1Hs324
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:27 am
AmVet
I think you’re “pretty cool” too.
@@
July 29th, 2011
8:27 am
…or Granny panties, as the case MAY be.
Mighty Righty
July 29th, 2011
8:29 am
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:13 am
Looks to me like the study, cited by poison pen, disputing the global warming/global cooling/climate change/sky is falling advocate claims are NASA scientists, not oil companies.
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:31 am
“Okay. Not anarchists.
Barbarians.”
they give hoardes a bad name.
Thomas
July 29th, 2011
8:33 am
BTW, regarding your contention on ’selling a point of view to my liberal friends” – come up with any hospitals yet where you can walk in and say “I have few resources, no (or minimal) health insurance but I have colon cancer. Will you treat me, even it it takes a few years?
I work with a 35+ year radiation oncologist. He has never turned down a patient. I know of many docs just like him. By the way- a tax exempt cannot turn you away.
Drama much?
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:34 am
“Looks to me like the study, cited by poison pen, disputing the global warming/global cooling/climate change/sky is falling advocate claims are NASA scientists, not oil companies.”
have a pootle around the NASA site (www.nasa.gov) and tell me if you can find anything that even remotely says that.
because the closest thing is from 2002 – http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/15jan_greenhouse/
and that article does NOT refute warming.
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:34 am
oh, and MR, thanks for the laugh … the Nooner a liberal … laugh flippin RIOT, I tell ya!
Adam
July 29th, 2011
8:35 am
It’s funny. That doesn’t blow holes in the global warming debate. What it does is show us we have more time than predicted to solve the growing problem. So we aren’t QUITE as damaging as we thought! Yay! So let’s just keep polluting and making the earth warmer! That’s the ticket?
Seriously?
Mick
July 29th, 2011
8:36 am
If I were going to choose a song for FNM to describe the current state of republicanism – hands down dazed and confused…
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:38 am
Granny G – 8:17 – the funniest part of that exchange:
I mean, you know, if the moon had (snip) erupting volcanoes, a few years, well, a few million years ago, however you want to put it –
NYE: No, billion.
(hasn’t Bill Nye the Science Guy heard? the universe is only a few thousand years old!!)
Adam
July 29th, 2011
8:40 am
BTW, has Boehner gotten his causus’ @ss in line yet? Or does he not have “leadership?”
The leadership argument is funny, because it implies that if you’re a leader you get anything you want because you can make anybody do anything, OR that you have a plan a minute, on paper, ready to go, and that darn opposition just keeps shooting you down.
1) I disagree with either of these being leadership.
2) Boehner fails on both counts, since he can’t get whatever he wants and it’s not the opposition shooting down his plans.
Is Boehner a leader? Yes, but he’s not too terribly good at leading the people he is supposed to represent.
Adam
July 29th, 2011
8:42 am
USinUK: Bill Nye got booed off stage in the south for talking about evolution. He’s obviously not credible, since apparently he can’t hold on to an audience who must have thought they were about to watch a comedy standup routine.
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2011
8:42 am
Mighty Righty
Good Observation skills there…
That’s one NASA scientist who is a climate change denier and intelligent design proponent so guess what he has his own agenda.
AmVet
July 29th, 2011
8:42 am
Granny, thanks. Lib chicks rule. (Do I dare say it? Con women drool? LOL!)
And alas, Mary Elizabeth. Breathing a breath of fresh air in a fetid squalor of name-changing lamebrains.
Paul, especially illustrative was last night’s foray into, my d*ck is bigger than yours land. (As proven by some arcane mathematical theory!)
OK, gotta get ready to go be a happy idiot and struggle for the legal tender…(hat tip Jackson Browne)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 29th, 2011
8:43 am
Always amazing the claim that “science” cannot prove that climate change is not occuring but “new” science proves that the climate change science is wrong. Does someone know where the other planets that humans live on are located? I guess the poutrage over the “debt” of our children and grandchildren does not include the air they breath, the water they drink or the climate of the planet they live on.
Gale
July 29th, 2011
8:43 am
Normal, small world to be sure. Your uncle probably did not see my dad much. Dad did not make it past 4th grade. His youngest brother Shirley is the only sibling that did graduate. (yes Shirley- and my grandmother had the nerve to say Kyle was an odd name)
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:44 am
“Bill Nye got booed off stage in the south for talking about evolution”
oy.
things I do NOT miss about the US in general / the South in particular.
USinUK
July 29th, 2011
8:45 am
Keep up – “I guess the poutrage over the “debt” of our children and grandchildren does not include the air they breath, the water they drink or the climate of the planet they live on.”
it’s called a disconnect.
and, as Madge would say, they’re soaking in it.
Normal
July 29th, 2011
8:46 am
Gale, when Jay gets back ask him for my email if you want to explore this more. We may be related…sorry.
Thomas
July 29th, 2011
8:48 am
This blog is like sitting with 14 heavy set folks on a church pew meant for 12 on a hot summer day.
You folks have a great Friday and weekend!
Adam
July 29th, 2011
8:49 am
Apparently, Funding the Pell Grant is unacceptable, and one of the reasons the GOP caucus won’t vote for Boehner’s bill.
Way to go cons, stick to your guns! Take us all down with you and make sure no future can exist! Burn, baby, burn!
carlosgvv
July 29th, 2011
8:49 am
poison per
Unfortunately, glaciers all over the world are melting, and the melt rate is increasing year by year. Ocean levels have already risen and this shows no signs of stopping. All the world’s leading climatologists say global warming is real and, as far as I know, they have not reversed their position. And if that NASA report had any validity, I’m sure the major networks would have carried the story by now.