Gone fishing … literally

If anybody needs to find me over the next week or so, here’s where I’ll be.

Oh, and you’re going to need a helicopter or a whitewater raft to get there.

Photo by R. Dobkin

josef

July 28th, 2011
8:35 pm

FRED

Hear these mathematicians and odds here? Let’s invite them to a game of bourré and some crawfish boudin, eh?

Doggone/GA

July 28th, 2011
8:36 pm

“I can tell you that the final number of different combinations is a huge number, however.”

Yeah, me too. As for the order of choice, no that doesn’t matter – but 1 & 2 is the same as 2 &1, because in any combination each of the 30 profiles can only occur once. So the 2 combinations I gave above are only 1 choice, not 2.

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
8:37 pm

Keep: Unions only come into existence when the workers are getting focked! Pure and simple!

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
8:39 pm

Sometimes calculating probabilities does reveal some interesting, counter-intuitive results. Some of you may have heard of the “Birthday Problem”–i.e. given a group of n people, what are the odds that two of them will have the same birthday?? Without looking it up, how large of a group do you need such that there is a 50% chance that two of them have the same birthday:

a) 23

b) 64

c) 182

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 28th, 2011
8:40 pm

Sooth, definitely there has to be some “discontent”.

md

July 28th, 2011
8:41 pm

“Unions only come into existence when the workers are getting focked! Pure and simple!”

I think that depends on one’s definition of getting focked……………I’m sure I’m not the only one that would enjoy getting focked like the NFL guys are…..or the MLB guys…..or even the ALPA fellas……

All a matter of perspective…………..

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
8:42 pm

Thulsa @ 8:17

You have no knowledge of what my husband went through at Wal-Mart and I have no intention of sharing it with you. What you say is entirely a figment of your own thought processes and has no bearing on what happened. One can never know the reason another has a stroke. But I do know the stresses on my husband. He had gotten another job.

About Target, I gave two examples, the first was more significant than the second in that store managers there are given little autonomy to make individual decisions regarding decision making with customers. The second example, of the scales, only reinforces the first in the value the store places on people. I know of no other produce store that has no scale for weighing its produce. It is not about the scale or the produce.

I am not against corporations any more than I am against capitalism, but I do want to see a change in the human dynamic of some corporations, and I want to see the best in capitalism flourish, which means caring for people as well as profit.

It is not a matter of spine, Thulsa. As I recall, you thought Obama had no “spine” in relation to Donald Trump, but you were wrong. You seem to value the bully’s sensibility. You are not going to be able to continue valuing that as you do, if you want to deepen your Christianity in a meaningful way.

There are different kinds of strength. What you value as strength, I see as weakness which hurts society at large. That type of consciousness needs to evolve, imo. There are some speakers who are now saying that leadership in corporations should have a “servant” consciousness that values the bottom up. Fred and I were speaking of my religious views that ALL life should to be valued. That means within corporations and within capitalism, that all employees should be respected. That is not weakness; that is spritual strength, and it helps the individual, the nation, and the company, to become its best self. Working to that end requires strength, but not the kind of strength you are used to valuing. Go deeper into Christianity, or into any religion, to know of what I speak.

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
8:42 pm

Without Unions, workers anywhere in the World (with apologies to josef) may as well bend over and pull their pants down!

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
8:43 pm

As for the order of choice, no that doesn’t matter – but 1 & 2 is the same as 2 &1, because in any combination each of the 30 profiles can only occur once.

In many situations, the order of the pairings DOES matter, such that (2,1) /= (1,2). In the business situation you described, however, the order doesn’t matter, which is why you have to divide the number of permutations by the number of possible rearrangements.

Doggone/GA

July 28th, 2011
8:48 pm

Bruno – I actually know the answer to your question, but I won’t give it away. Here’s a story though: at a meeting for upper level Army officers, the presenter made that claim – that in a group of (the correct size) the odds are that at least two of them will have the same birthday. The meeting was just that number, so they went around the room and each officer gave his birthday. None of them matched…and just as the presenter was going to go on, one of the waitresses stopped him and said: “My birthday is the same as that gentleman’s over there”

godless heathen

July 28th, 2011
8:50 pm

Let’s Make a Deal!
You are on the old show with Monty Hall and he gives you the choice of one of three doors. He tells you that good prizes are located behind two of the doors and a wank is located behind one.

After you select a door, but before the door is opened, he reveals to you what’s behind one of the other doors – and it’s a fabulous prize!

Monty then gives you the option of keeping your original door, or trading for the remaining door.

What should you do?

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
8:50 pm

“I think that depends on one’s definition of getting focked……………I’m sure I’m not the only one that would enjoy getting focked like the NFL guys are…..or the MLB guys…..or even the ALPA fellas……”

Well, sure, md, let’s beat these athletes, who are the cream of the crop, out of their share of the revenues. After all, they are the ones who sacrifice their bodies on the “field of battle” week after week for your viewing pleasure. But, wait, it’s not really for your viewing pleasure. It’s really for the pleasure of the beer manufacturers and all of the other advertisers. Heck, let’s just cut these ignorant n****** athletes out of the deal! We can make so much more money?

I remember a story about Jake Scout who many (older) of you will remember was a star at Georgia. Jake Scott lived the majority of his (after college) life in a wheelchair. An NFL athletes career is a short one. The money he makes during his active years must sustain him throughout the rest of his life.

Again, I say, Unions exist for a legitimate purpose.

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
8:52 pm

Fred and I were speaking of my religious views that ALL life should to be valued.

Mary Elizabeth @ 8:42–Sorry to butt in on your conversation with TD, but once again you seem to be ignoring our human nature as pack animals/predators. Every time you eat something, you are killing it and depriving it of its “right” to existence. I don’t care how many prayers you say first, the animal or plant is just as dead, all to satisfy your selfish desires to stay alive. I think it’s nice that you aspire to “higher consciousness” and all, but in the end we’re all killers, even if we let others do the killing for us.

getalife

July 28th, 2011
8:53 pm

“Boehner Suspends Vote On Debt Ceiling Bill”

Hilarious.

Doggone/GA

July 28th, 2011
8:54 pm

“What should you do?”

Switch doors

josef

July 28th, 2011
8:54 pm

BRUNO

“I didn’t climb to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian.” –Ron White

Granny Godzilla

July 28th, 2011
8:55 pm

Brava Mary Elizabeth

godless heathen

July 28th, 2011
8:55 pm

Why, Dog?

josef

July 28th, 2011
8:58 pm

getalife

You’re still here. Got a Chitamacha story for you. Many, many, many moons ago my buddy W, a Chitamacha, got a grant from the BIA to work to preserve the Chitamacha language. He was 16 at the time. The only person who still spoke it was the Rez drunk who only spoke it when he was in his cups and spoiling for a brawl…W would get calls in the middle of the night, jump out of bed, grab the tape recorder, and spend the evening following him around the local dives…talk about what the feds will pay you to do with the right grant writer!

Doggone/GA

July 28th, 2011
9:01 pm

gh – this explains it much better than I can, as it’s a non-intuitive answer:

http://www.theproblemsite.com/treasure_hunt/door_hint.asp

And you can test it here:

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
9:01 pm

godless heathen–You’re about 2 months too late on the Monty Hall problem. Already been covered in detail, though your telling of it is different from the original problem in which there is only 1 good choice and 2 bad choices.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 28th, 2011
9:03 pm

Well it should be interesting to see if Republicans do what Republicans do best and that is to grab defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Thulsa Doom

July 28th, 2011
9:03 pm

keep,

Sorry dude but my record is clean. No claims paid here. And personally I have nothing against the law profession. We just have too many lawyers is all doing too much frivolous suing because there are so many of them to begin with. And btw you won’t find a lot of people disagreeing with that. Perhaps you lack some reading comprehension skills. I wasn’t the one complaining about the non existant weight scales at Target. Redirect your angst appropriately after you learn reading comprehension sport.

Sooth,

Roid rage? Never touched em. Never would.

Fred,

Go ahead and put me back on your ignore list. You’re not worthy of discourse with me.

getalife

July 28th, 2011
9:05 pm

Josef,

Funny story.

I’m guessing most of W’s (bad nickname) words were cuss words and a heck of a way to learn a language.

Kamchak

July 28th, 2011
9:08 pm

Monty then gives you the option of keeping your original door, or trading for the remaining door.

What should you do?

Relentlessly mock you for imagining that you are on a silly game show.

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
9:08 pm

Also, Mary Elizabeth, you may do well to balance out your “Christian” aspirations with a healthy dose of either Buddhism or even Taoism. According to Buddhist principles, good can’t exist without evil, they are inseparable. You seem to be pressing everyone to only be “good”. No only is it not going to happen, it CAN’T happen. In Taoism, the goal is simply to live out our lives expressing our true nature as human beings. We’re not Gods, and shouldn’t be expected to behave that way. I have a feeling that you go through life frustrated that everyone doesn’t embrace your “Let’s all be perfect people” standards.

godless heathen

July 28th, 2011
9:09 pm

Actually, in this case you should stay with your original choice. I changed the problem around from the way it is usually stated, as Bruno noted.

People will argue with you until the cows come home that it’s 50-50, go with your gut, but there is a logical solution.
After Monty reveals the contents of one of the doors there are two options.

1) You originally chose a prize door and you will trade it for a wank, or
2) You originally chose a wank door and you will trade it for a prize.

The answer is, “What were the odds that you originally chose a prize door?”
2 out of 3. Keep your original choice.

md

July 28th, 2011
9:11 pm

“Again, I say, Unions exist for a legitimate purpose.”

And again…..not all fockings are the same……….not too sure you would find too many that wouldn’t swap places with those poor guys in a skinny minute………………

getalife

July 28th, 2011
9:11 pm

Del,

There is no victory in playing politics with people’s checks.

It back fired big time.

Fred

July 28th, 2011
9:11 pm

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
8:52 pm

Fred and I were speaking of my religious views that ALL life should to be valued.

Mary Elizabeth @ 8:42–Sorry to butt in on your conversation with TD, but once again you seem to be ignoring our human nature as pack animals/predators. Every time you eat something, you are killing it and depriving it of its “right” to existence. I don’t care how many prayers you say first, the animal or plant is just as dead, all to satisfy your selfish desires to stay alive. I think it’s nice that you aspire to “higher consciousness” and all, but in the end we’re all killers, even if we let others do the killing for us.
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Bruno, she is ignoring nothing and you were correct in your first assessment, you shouldn’t have butted in. The line she wrote and the one you quoted is a synopsis of a conversation ME and I had that is so brief that no meaningful interpretation of our conversation can be made from it. As such, the rest of your comment is really meaningless. We (ME and I) addressed the points you make.

Quite simply, you jumped to the wrong conclusion there sport.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 28th, 2011
9:13 pm

Thulsa Doom
July 28th, 2011
8:17 pm
…And you think Target is somehow a devious organization because they don’t have scales so that you can tell exactly what the cost is of some fruit? Gimme a freaking break. I mean Puh-leeze. In all my life you’re the single person I’ve ever heard of bit3h about this. Good grief.
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Major Doomy, you posted so much nonsense you dont even know what you say…again you apparently work at the complaint desk at Target because you know what complaints they get.

Really your ability to speak for “others” on all sorts of subjects is just your yapping V sock puppet nonsense.

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
9:13 pm

Well, sure, md, let’s beat these athletes, who are the cream of the crop, out of their share of the revenues.

Pray tell, what is their “fair share”??? Did they build the stadiums and do all the marketing which draws fans in large numbers??? I appreciate your support of the “underdog” players, but there’s a lot more that goes into generating the huge revenues that pro sports does than simply throwing the ball up and down the field. Ditto for the music business.

Sooth–Maybe you and Mary Elizabeth should get together. You both would have a great time commiserating how “unfair” the real world is.

josef

July 28th, 2011
9:14 pm

getalife

W is now considered one of the foremost “authorities” in such matters and is always being invited to august gatherings here and abroad to lecture on “methodologies.” One of my favorite papers of his is “Cussin’ in Chitamacha.” It turns out that there are very few specifically “dirty words” in the language, like many American Indian languages, but the lack is made up for in some truly interesting “descriptives,” with the individual free to come up with his or her own, in W’s words, “relative to the conditions of the situation!”

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
9:15 pm

“not too sure you would find too many that wouldn’t swap places with those poor guys”

You missed the point entirely. There aren’t very many who could swap places with those poor guys. The NFL players represent such an infinitesimally small percentage of the population that replacing them would be very difficult indeed.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 28th, 2011
9:16 pm

Yes Kam…but what costume would she be wearing?

getalife

July 28th, 2011
9:20 pm

Josef,

Good for W.

I need the translation for when I am at their 21 table so I can cuss them out in their own language when I lose.

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
9:20 pm

Bruno @ 8:52

We “kill “others with jealousy, with anger, with hatred, with adultery, and in numerous other ways that we are not even conscious of every day. The deeper you study the body, you know that it is connected directly to the mind in what happens to it. That is why Jesus said what you think in your heart is as sinful( i.e., “destructive”) to oneself and others as the actual destructive act itself. If you are lustful for one who is not your partner, you may or may not act on that. But the very thoughts you have for another take away from your connection with your mate, and may cause your mate to go into decline, if your thoughts of another are excessive. A cold look based on hatred for another of a different race or culture does more damage to another’s soul (and to one’s own) than can be imagined by most people.

All this is what makes us human. We all have darkness and light in our souls. When we cannot recognize the darkness in our own souls is when we are in danger because we are not in control of that darkness. In an unconscious state, we may “project” our darkness onto others, as was done to the black man in the old South, hence the many lynching for made-up sexual infractions when white KKK members lynched many black men decades ago.

Knowing that we are all capable of light and darkness is not to deny spirituality. You seem to have a rather stereotypical view of what being spiritual mean, Bruno. And I say that not to insult you in any way. I would never do that. But only because I think you genuinely want to hear from me on this and I am laying it out tonight. I recommend that your read the religious works of Paul Tillich and the psychological work of Carl Jung to understand spirituality in more depth. Spirituality is not separate from us or our bodies. It is who we all are in our deepest cores. Some of us lean more toward the darkness in our souls at times in our lives and some of us lean more toward the light at times. We should all strive to reach for the light to be a blessing not only to ourselves but to others. That light is not one-dimensional though. Without full knowledge of the darkness and the light in all of our souls religion is only polyannyish. Because we know that all are capable of good and evil in our hearts, we know we are spiritually equal to every other human being on earth because we all face darknesses. That is why one cannot judge on actions alone. What was in the heart of one may have affected adversely the actions of another. Only God knows intent in one’s soul and what we each face because of our varied experiences, intelligence, genetic makeup, etc.

You speak of killing a plant or animal to survive. I am showing you how that is part of life in what I talked about earlier. I am sure you will see the connection. I hope this has been helpful to you. I make no pretense to be any better than any other human being. But this has been a major quest of my life’s energies.

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
9:20 pm

“Pray tell, what is their “fair share”???”

Well, that’s the real question, isn’t it? And who should decide that question? The owners? Well, I can tell you what the outcome of that decision would be.

Nothing exceeds its own value — not for very long, anyway. The NFL owners and stadiums would be nothing without the players. Is it not fair that they should garner a fair share of the income?

Thulsa Doom

July 28th, 2011
9:22 pm

You have no knowledge of what my husband went through at Wal-Mart and I have no intention of sharing it with you- Mary E.

As I said wayyy earlier I said it was a shame that your husband died. Perhaps you missed that. And I am sorry that he died and in such a fashion. But neither you nor I nor anybody knows exactly when or where a stroke is going to occur. I agree with you about stress but that brings up the only point that I had to make to you. If work is stressing you out, especially a place like Walmart, its not worth your health to put up with that crap. You should just walk away from it. That was my single point to you on that subject.

And from your tone of they way they treated him it sounds like he was doing rank and file work and not in management and probably not making a pile of dough. He could have found a comparable paying job elsewhere rather than letting them stress him. And for that matter there are millions of people who are stressed by their jobs no matter where they work- its not just Walmart. That’s just life. Right or wrong its the real world ma’am.

In regards to Target not having scales I don’t know what to say to you if that really bothers you whatever the reason. If Target chooses to manage their company in that fashion then so be it. You may also choose to take your business elsewhere.

“I am not against corporations any more than I am against capitalism, but I do want to see a change in the human dynamic of some corporations, and I want to see the best in capitalism flourish, which means caring for people as well as profit.”- Mary E.

That’s a very noble thought Mary. But its also idealistic bordering on naive. I would love it if all corporations ran that way with people first. Unfortunately its just not the real world. And in the world of capitalism the people that treat their people the crappiest tend to get weeded out over time. I’ve seen it happen firsthand.

Fred and I were speaking of my religious views that ALL life should to be valued.- Mary E.

Once again that’s a noble and idealistic thought Mary and I like it. However, once again its not the real world. And I don’t think the lion values the baby gazelle too much before he eats him. Nor do we value the pig, an intelligent animal, when we slaughter him and make andouille sausage that everyone here is talking about.

That means within corporations and within capitalism, that all employees should be respected- Mary E.

All corporations are different Mary. Some are very people first like HP, Aflac, etc. Some are not. Corporate cultures are like people- they’re different because they are predicated aboutt the different personalities of the people and management that work there. I would love to think all corporations value and respect their employees but they don’t. And when someone is mistreated by a particular boss or store or dept. manager or 2 it doesn’t mean the whole corporation terribly mistreats its people. It could just be that store or that dept or manager. You can’t make a sweeping, broad statement about a 100,000 person organization based upon a few people or based upon lawsuits which inevitably hit every monolithic corporation on a daily basis.

Kamchak

July 28th, 2011
9:24 pm

…but what costume would she be wearing?

Probably a plain cotton house dress, with an iphone, pushing a shopping cart full of beer and cigarettes, being trailed by a half dozen or so kids (all wearing the latest Nikes) — you know — the prototypical welfare queen!

md

July 28th, 2011
9:24 pm

Understand Sooth…….but many think of Norma Rae and the true struggles of the working class when unions are brought up……….millionaires fighting over revenues doesn’t exactly fit the vision………….again, folks can’t empathize with that kind of torture……………..

Mick

July 28th, 2011
9:25 pm

josef

Hey, I just want to wish you the best for this coming year!! You are on the front lines and lucky is the student that will be exposed to your wit and wisdom – it doesn’t get any better than that….

bruno

That’s a pretty nice gift to have the “math” gene, throw that together with your appreciation of rock and well, I guess that makes you dangerous, very cool and there’s so much more….

Fred

July 28th, 2011
9:26 pm

josef: I love “boo-ray” lol. And WHY do you want to tease me with foods I have no way of easily acquiring? I’m still drooling at the mere thought of crawfish boudin.

As to Texas hold’em? The mathematical “odds” are meaningless. They are statistically insignificant. It’s the biggest “bluff” game out there. If math was any factor “Jesus” (Chris Fergeson) would win every game. But there is no more significant difference in the odds of getting getting 4 two’s then there is of getting 4 aces. Yet many fold with two’s. There is no significant difference in getting a straight holding 2-3 than there is getting one holding K-A. Yet most will fold with 2-3. And likewise, there is no difference in flushing out a 2-4 suited than there is a A-J suited. Yet most will fold the 2-4.

The ONLY difference is if you have the chips to see the flop. The game is all about balls and bluff. It’s not an odds game like 7 stud……….

md

July 28th, 2011
9:27 pm

“The NFL owners and stadiums would be nothing without the players. Is it not fair that they should garner a fair share of the income?”

Actually, neither would be worth much without the consumers that buy all that crap they advertise……where is our fair share??? One can play that game infintum……

josef

July 28th, 2011
9:31 pm

getalife

you’ll have to do it in Coona33…nobody really speaks it any more since the old drunk died…but now that you bring it up, I really do need to check and find out if the schools now that the buffalo bucks are rolling in have been able to “bring it back…” We’re not exactly welcome there since Unmentionable is Choctaw on one side and the Chitamacha ain’t real fond of them, since they joined with the French in doing the Chitamacha in back in the colonial period…when W opted for an Indian education, he was assigned to the Choctaw BIA school…he said he slept with a knife under his bed and the door locked. When he complained to the BIA, he said they had no idea what he was complaining about! One of my favorite stories of his is once he was showing some family photos and one was of his brother all decked out in “traditional” garb and dancing ever so earnestly. W. laughed, “oh he’s 150% Indian. He’s learned to dance like a Sioux!”

Fred

July 28th, 2011
9:32 pm

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
9:13 pm

Pray tell, what is their “fair share”??? Did they build the stadiums and do all the marketing which draws fans in large numbers???
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What’s your point? Other than POSSIBLY Jerry Jones, the owners don’t build the stadiums either. The owners pay off politicians who build the stadiums on taxpayer money. The TV company thta has the broadcast rights does the marketing. The owners get HUGE tax breaks for the teams “being there.”

Where is the down side for them? No one pays money to go see the owners, they go to see the players. Football is a multi billion dollar sport, it’s the most money generating entity on the planet earth. Why SHOULDN’T the ones who generate the profits enjoy the fruits?

Thulsa Doom

July 28th, 2011
9:32 pm

Keep up,

Sorry cyber stalker but you still lack reading comprehension skills. In all my life I’ve never heard anyone complain about their not being scales about any grocery store. Heck I bought some fruit at Wallyworld the other day. I didn’t see any scales. I just saw plums and peaches for something like a buck and a quarter a lb and bought probably a pound or 2 of each.

And you don’t have to be real smart to know what a lb or 1/2 lb roughly feels like. Why that’s so difficult for Fred to comprehend is beyond me. Is that the best you got? Complaint dept. at Target? Your points get weaker every day.

I suspect you stalk Dave and myself because you get beaten down and come back the next day ready to stalk cause you’re still mad about it. No wonder Dave regularly blows your nonsense away and with such ease. You aint got no game keep. As the one man said to the other lying in blood on the ground- Don’t get up.

Mick

July 28th, 2011
9:34 pm

dave r

If you happen to be trolling around out there here is a “concrete” fact for ya – your beloved “33%” gallup poll iced tea party held a rally today, study the picture closely, then get back to me, OK?

@@

July 28th, 2011
9:34 pm

Has our credit rating been downgraded yet?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 28th, 2011
9:35 pm

Major Doom, you’re too ignorant to even comprehend what is said….. how pathetic and weak…now off with you or I shall taunt you some more.

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
9:39 pm

“Understand Sooth…….but many think of Norma Rae and the true struggles of the working class when unions are brought up……….millionaires fighting over revenues doesn’t exactly fit the vision”

“Actually, neither would be worth much without the consumers that buy all that crap they advertise……where is our fair share??? One can play that game infintum……”

Again, nothing exceeds its value for long. You can’t fool the market. If advertising on NFL games didn’t pay for the advertisers, they would stop. If ticket prices become too high for fans to attend the games, then fans will stop coming to the games.

But, and this is a big but, if the advertisers make good money off NFL games and the ticket sales remain strong, then who is hurt? If an equitable agreement is reached between the owners and the players, who is to say that is wrong?

Thulsa Doom

July 28th, 2011
9:40 pm

keep up.

Keep taunting me with what? You got nothing. I’m driving an aircraft carrier. You’re down there in a litte rowboat. Get outta the way keep before you get run over.

josef

July 28th, 2011
9:40 pm

Mick
Thanks for the kind words…I’m looking forward to the little b*ggers return…had an interesting registration today…the Mama was a former student who, well, let’s just say back then my comment was “well, let’s just hope she finds a good man who’ll appreciate her finer qualities. She’ll be a good Mama.” Well, wish came true. She does have a good man, and a wonderfully bright little one who Daddy read to even if Mama couldn’t! Marked her chart for “special attention!” That special attention being to her teacher “see me for details.”

FRED
Put in my order with Unmentionable for some crawfish boudin if Mama can get her hands on some…the bourre I’ll stay away from!

getalife

July 28th, 2011
9:42 pm

Josef,

They built brand new schools that are best schools in this area.

They are adding a hotel to their casino and are doing better in this economy.

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
9:47 pm

The deeper you study the body, you know that it is connected directly to the mind in what happens to it.

If it helps in your assessment of me, Mary, I work in health care and deal directly with people’s minds, bodies and souls day in and day out.

When we cannot recognize the darkness in our own souls is when we are in danger because we are not in control of that darkness.

Fine and dandy, ME, but you seem only to focus on the darkness in others’ souls, based on your compulsion to identify and criticize any and all rude comments directed toward you on an anonymous blog. I have yet to see one self-deprecating comment coming from you. Though you like to defend your self-appointed role as the Blog Cosmic Cop by claiming to raise the level of spirituality in others, in the end it comes across as pretentious and narcissistic to me. Maybe if you mixed a little humor in with it or pointed toward yourself on occasion, it wouldn’t come across that way.

You seem to have a rather stereotypical view of what being spiritual mean, Bruno.

How so?? If you’re going to put a label on my views, you would make a better case to explain why, as I have done for you above.

I hope this has been helpful to you

Unfortunately, not really, ME. Comes across as some kind of new-age gobbledygook to me. Obviously you have put a lot of thought into your views, but they don’t come across clearly to me. Maybe you can take another shot at explaining yourself.

Mick

July 28th, 2011
9:49 pm

josef

See, that’s what I’m talking about – positive vibes. You’re in the greatest and one of the most misunderstood professions in the US right now. You always knew the secret about real learning anyways, take em all to the stars and back while having a great time doing it…

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
9:49 pm

Thulsa, I am aware that corporations are all different. Has it occurred to you that by not having scales, Target may be making more money on each customer’s purchase? I am not saying that is their intent, but I am sure you can connect the dots and that may be part of their intent in having no scales available for weighing.

I believe I am about 20 years older than you, so that I have personally observed the “real worlld” change in the disintegration of Jim Crow, a horrible system. Without a vision, as King had, and as Mandela had, reality never evolves or changes. What is “not real” in one era, becomes “real” in another.

Please stop the analysis of my husband’s situation. You really are only surmising about that which you know nothing. I am not trying to make Wal-Mart into a “villain.” I simply want that corporation, as well as some other corporations, to be more attuned to the individual needs of their employees, and in turn their employees will be better workers and people. That is why I gave my husband’s example. And as I had said earlier, no one knows for certain the source of a stroke. I leave it at that. Only God knows. There is a movement of servant leaders. You could google the concept, I am sure. It is not a “dream” concept; it is quite real.
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Fred

July 28th, 2011
9:52 pm

Josef@ 9:31? Did you say something about Cherokees singing or dancing or something? I’ve always liked this one (drool). Not sure it will do much for you though…………. except make your ears hurt

Mick

July 28th, 2011
9:53 pm

bruno

You can be a bit brutal in your bluntness, I have to ask – does the ends justify the means?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 28th, 2011
9:54 pm

Kam…. doggone is gonna get you for that one.

josef

July 28th, 2011
9:54 pm

getalife

just did a quick search and turned up some interesting things…they found some tapes recorded in the 1940s and using them (and W’s work, too!) they have been able to reconstruct the language and the schools there are teaching it…neat!

Fred

July 28th, 2011
9:54 pm

the bourre I’ll stay away from!

Methinks SOMEONE has lost their shirt playing evil games once or twice…………

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 28th, 2011
9:54 pm

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
9:57 pm

getalife

July 28th, 2011
9:59 pm

Josef,

That is neat.

Next time I am at the casino I will ask them about it.

Fred

July 28th, 2011
10:00 pm

Mick

July 28th, 2011
9:53 pm

bruno

You can be a bit brutal in your bluntness, I have to ask – does the ends justify the means?
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Everyone has their breaking point Mick. josef’s is Redneck Convert, mine is Dusty. While I’m sure Dusty is as fine a person as can be, the drivel she posts sometimes makes me snap sometimes despite my vows to myself not to. I think I hurt her feelings last time, she won’t talk to me anymore lol.

I think ME brings that out in Bruno. Either that or Bruno is just an unmitigated son of a bitch who likes taunting old women and discounting their life experiences. One never knows……….

josef

July 28th, 2011
10:01 pm

FRED

With no introduction as to why I was asking, I asked Unmentionable for his reaction to that song…
“Indian angst for white people. It’s the white part that’s getting bent out of shape…” And. as he said, “well, she DOES have to right to sing it, being one herself.”

Fred

July 28th, 2011
10:02 pm

Oh, and Bruno doesn’t answer me either. I guess I have no chance in hell of getting into the double secret brotherhood lol.

Fred

July 28th, 2011
10:03 pm

Josef: She’s singing a song there? I never noticed……………

Mick

July 28th, 2011
10:05 pm

fred

A good sense of humor is worth its weight in gold around here, right on….

Uncle Jed

July 28th, 2011
10:05 pm

In a quest to run 5k before new sheets…here’s another cog in the ol’ blog.

A fossil touted since the time of Charles Darwin as the “missing link” between dinosaurs and birds is likely just a dinosaur, scientists have admitted in a new report in the journal Nature..

The proposal to reclassify the specimen Archaeopteryx, which has been presented since its discovery in 1861 as a key transitional link, highlights the shifting sands on which much of evolutionary theory is based, according to one expert in the field.

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Y’all have a big time with evolution Hittin’ the hay here.

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
10:06 pm

But there is no more significant difference in the odds of getting getting 4 two’s then there is of getting 4 aces. Yet many fold with two’s. There is no significant difference in getting a straight holding 2-3 than there is getting one holding K-A. Yet most will fold with 2-3. And likewise, there is no difference in flushing out a 2-4 suited than there is a A-J suited. Yet most will fold the 2-4.

Fred–If you don’t know why it is usually best to fold with two “2″s, then there is little for us to talk about. The bottom line is that you don’t know what you’re talking about, but that doesn’t stop you from babbling on anyway. As for the bluffing element, you’re most likely falling into the same trap that most viewers do who watch the World Series of Poker or the WPT. These shows are edited, such that the most exciting hands, which include all the successful bluffs, are the ones that make the broadcast. Bluffing, while certainly an element of good poker, is only valid in a small percentage of situations. Come on over to my game with your big balls and crazy bluffs anytime. I’ll lay 10:1 that you won’t last the first round. As to why Chris Ferguson doesn’t win every time, it’s not because calculating odds is unimportant, it’s because the game is 90% luck and only 10% skill.

md

July 28th, 2011
10:07 pm

“I simply want that corporation, as well as some other corporations, to be more attuned to the individual needs of their employees, and in turn their employees will be better workers and people. ”

Great idea in principle, but doesn’t really work in practice all the time. In the old days, loyalty was a 2 way street…..both parties worked together toward one goal. As time passed and folks became more mobile…..not so much. Now, there are just as many “me” individuals as there are “me” corporations……each looking out for themselves……..some companies, like individuals, take a beating when it comes to mobility……and that is why I don’t see the loyalty factor near as high as it once was………the culture has changed too much.

Fred

July 28th, 2011
10:08 pm

Mick a sense of humor is my ONLY good character trait ……………

Thulsa Doom

July 28th, 2011
10:10 pm

Has it occurred to you that by not having scales, Target may be making more money on each customer’s purchase?- Mary E.

Yes. And to be honest with you that could very well be their purpose. Who knows or really cares though? If I buy as I did several plums the other day from Wallyworld I know roughly within a half pound minimally how much they weigh and at \$1.25 a lb do you really think I care if I bought 1 lb or a pound and a half?

Please stop the analysis of my husband’s situation. You really are only surmising about that which you know nothing. I am not trying to make Wal-Mart into a “villain.” – Mary E.

Mary E, I didn’t really surmise anything about your husband’s situation other than what you said- which was that he was treated “inhumanely” and stressed. And all I said was that if someone is treated bad and their job is stressing them than they need to leave that job and save their health. That’s it. But enough of that.

And yes. You did in fact try to make Walmart a villain. You stated that they treated people “inhumanely” which to me sounds like overkill and just plain rhetoric. Exactly what can a store do to someone that means they have been treated “inhumanely”? They can’t torture or cane pole them or make them do humiliating acts. You’re pretty hypersensitive and it sounds like in your world that being treated inhumanely can be something as small as raising your voice at a subordinate.

And you also stated that they “disrespected” their employees. The term that someone got “disrespected” has got to be the most overblown rhetoric of the last decade. People get disrespected all the time by each other in the normal course of everyday commerce, work, and interaction- just look at this blog. Its a hypersensitive bunch of malarkey.

Last you mention as proof of them being a bad group of folks you mentioned how many lawsuits they have every year. Good grief that’s absurd. Do you have any idea how many lawsuits all deep pockets companies get? A lot ma’am. 20 years ago I used to bar tend for concerts down at the Omni as a part time job. After a concert the next day there would be a minimum of 5-10 people calling up wanting to sue because their son/daughter somehow got alcohol or someone who had a couple of beers had an accident and wanted to sue. I’ll never forget the one concert where the next day nobody called wanting to sue. They said jokingly that it was a first.

josef

July 28th, 2011
10:12 pm

good fight

Pitchez la vache!

getalife
Neat…I’m really glad to know they’re doing well, They’ve had a really rough go of it…

Fred

July 28th, 2011
10:15 pm

“As to why Chris Ferguson doesn’t win every time, it’s not because calculating odds is unimportant, it’s because the game is 90% luck and only 10% skill.”

No crap? And that ISN’T what I just said you twit? As to the rest of your nonsensical rant? I rarely walk away from a poker table with less the double what I walked up to it with, but it has happened.

But then I guess you know better than Doyle Bronson. The odds count in REAL poker games, in Texas hold’em it’s EXACTLY like I stated. If you can afford to see the flop the rest is history whether you have pocket deuces or pocket aces. It’s a LUCK game, won by those with balls to stay and bluff. Skill and math have nothing to do with it.

So remind me again WHY we are arguing the same side of this?

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
10:16 pm

You can be a bit brutal in your bluntness, I have to ask – does the ends justify the means?

Mick–I’m definitely a “plain talker”, but don’t feel that I go out of my way to be mean to people just for the sake of being mean ala Dave R. I saw your comment to him last night and agreed with you. We’re all just hanging out here shooting the breeze and tossing a few tunes around.

I think ME brings that out in Bruno. Either that or Bruno is just an unmitigated son of a bitch who likes taunting old women and discounting their life experiences. One never knows……….

Fred, I’m sure that ME knows that I like and appreciate her, and I have told her several times that I do. At the same time, I think she fools herself into believing her efforts to be a “good person” can ever change what she is–a human just like the rest of us. We certainly have a spiritual nature, but we also have an animal nature.

As for you, I will admit that you strain my benevolent feelings toward you with your fantastical claims, such as being the smartest person you know and how you taught yourself math. I thought you might be being tongue-in-cheek with your comments the other night, but I suspect you weren’t. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Mick

July 28th, 2011
10:16 pm

bruno

I have a good friend who claims to make 40k annually playing poker as a job. He doesn’t work and seems to be making it. I’m not a player but he does talk about how he can spot a mark and take all of their money by playing with discipline. I don’t doubt that especially if there really is a sucker born every minute – lots of fish in the sea…

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
10:18 pm

Bruno,
I am truly sorry that you did not take my mentioning stereotypical thoughts about spirtuality to you in the intent that I meant them. I was really trying to give you an extended response. I said that you seem to have a stereotypical view of spirituality because of these words:

“You seem to be pressing everyone to only be “good”. No only is it not going to happen, it CAN’T happen. In Taoism, the goal is simply to live out our lives expressing our true nature as human beings. We’re not Gods, and shouldn’t be expected to behave that way. I have a feeling that you go through life frustrated that everyone doesn’t embrace your “Let’s all be perfect people” standards.”

Bruno, you simply have very much underestimated me and misread me, that is why I think you think of me spiritually in stereotyical ways. I don’t think in the terms you described at all.

“Fine and dandy, ME, but you seem only to focus on the darkness in others’ souls, based on your compulsion to identify and criticize any and all rude comments directed toward you on an anonymous blog. I have yet to see one self-deprecating comment coming from you. Though you like to defend your self-appointed role as the Blog Cosmic Cop by claiming to raise the level of spirituality in others, in the end it comes across as pretentious and narcissistic to me. Maybe if you mixed a little humor in with it or pointed toward yourself on occasion, it wouldn’t come across that way.
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Bruno, you are misunderstanding me, and there is nothing I can do about that. I am sorry you perceive that I am trying to be the “Blog Cosmic Cop.” Perhaps time will soften your thoughts toward me. I do not believe one should accept insults in the same way I do not believe blacks should have accepted racial slurs years ago. I don’t think the fact that they refused to accept those slurs made them narcissistic. It made them value their self-worth. It makes no difference if this is an anonymous blog. We become the choices we make. I think malicious insults are destructive to others and to oneself. I think they are the weapon of the bully. I did not allow insults in my classroom, why should I accept it here? I insulted Harry Callahan once when he insulted me and I realized, through God’s spirit working in my heart, that even if he had insulted me, I should not have insulted him in turn. I apologized to him even though that was difficult for me because I listened to the Lord’s spirit in my heart. Anyone can connect to that spirit, not just me, if there is desire to do so.

I am a serious person by nature, Bruno, it must be my German genes , and I have always been a serious minded person. I am comfortable in my own skin. I do have humor on occasion but I come onto this blog not to socialize with others so much as to offer whatever life experiences I feel may be of value to others and to make what impact I can in these later years of my life. I am sorry if that offends you and I am sorry that you do not care for who I am, but I am who I am and I hope you will grow to have a more gracious attitude toward me. I like you and have no ill will toward you. I do believe you are rather judgmental toward me and I hope you will not be so much so in the future. We all have our varied weaknesses and strengths. I try to show others courtesy and respect in a genuine way because I believe we are all equal. That is more important a value to me than whether or not I display humor or self-deprecation in the proper amounts determined.

Have a good evening. The best I can tell you to understand in more depth my spiritual thinking is the two authors I have already mentioned as well as the words of Jesus of course.

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
10:20 pm

Boy, the only thing I got to say is we got some fast typists on this here blog! Hoooo – eeeee! I know some of them epistles got to run 2,000 words at least!

Fred

July 28th, 2011
10:22 pm

md

July 28th, 2011
10:07 pm
Great idea in principle, but doesn’t really work in practice all the time. In the old days, loyalty was a 2 way street…..both parties worked together toward one goal. As time passed and folks became more mobile…..not so much. Now, there are just as many “me” individuals as there are “me” corporations……each looking out for themselves……..some companies, like individuals, take a beating when it comes to mobility……and that is why I don’t see the loyalty factor near as high as it once was………the culture has changed too much.
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Nice post md. Once companies were loyal to those who were loyal to them. No longer. Once employees were loyal to companies. No longer. It was only a generation ago that people retired from the company that gave them their first job. No longer. As you stated, the culture has changed. Loyalty is considered a weakness.

Sad isn’t it? We may as well toss in honor, integrity and ethics in the mix. None of them seem to exist in the world anymore either. Now it’s all about “me.” It is reflected in this current political situation. None of the “players” are concerned with the outdated “greater good” they merely want to rule. If the “other guy” thinks of it, it HAS to be wrong. They don’t care is they burn the Country down, just as long as “they” rule the ash piles afterwards……..

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
10:23 pm

Hey Fred, Please stop calling me an old woman. Yes, I am 68, but I am healthy and most people think I look 55!! Is that humorous enough for you, Bruno. It is certainly not self-deprecating!

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
10:27 pm

No crap? And that ISN’T what I just said you twit?

Here’s exactly what you said, Fred:

“As to Texas hold’em? The mathematical “odds” are meaningless. They are statistically insignificant. It’s the biggest “bluff” game out there.”

In black and white, you claimed that it’s a “bluffing” game, in which math and calculations are meaningless. That’s a world of difference from the truth, which I attempted to explain to you.

I rarely walk away from a poker table with less the double what I walked up to it with, but it has happened.

Fred–Not even the best players in the world can claim that, once again confirming that you are completely full of sh*t. Feel free to put me on your list of non-responders along with TD. I don’t get much value in trying to talk with bullsh*tters.

Dusty

July 28th, 2011
10:28 pm

Honest, folks, go watch the Braves game. It is a good honest clean game and fun to watch. The rain came and nobody got upset.

I’m not so sure Bookman is going to be proud of this place. He’s enjoying fresh air and sunshine. There’s not much of it here.

Woo, the BRAVES have a new pitchers I haven’t seen before. Go get ‘em!!!

josef

July 28th, 2011
10:29 pm

BRUNO

SE

Mick

July 28th, 2011
10:29 pm

The ancient pharaohs had nothing on this guy when it comes to self satisfaction-
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Tiger-Woods-8217-finished-practice-facility-at?urn=golf-wp4094

md

July 28th, 2011
10:33 pm

I concur Mr Fred…….the cradle to grave culture was a two sided affair. A lot of that ended when corps themselves began bringing in the “outsiders” for “fresh” ideas……..which for the most part was the beginning of the end………..

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
10:33 pm

Thulsa,

This is it for this evening. The words “inhumane” and “disrespect” can have many, many connotations – from the most severe to the most minimal. You do not know which of those varied connotations referred to my husband’s case because I gave no details. You surmised a few, however. “Villain” implies no redeeming qualities – a total absolute. I do not think of Wal-Mart as a villain.

Wal-Mart has not had simply individuals who have sued against the company but class action suits that have reached the U.S. Supreme Court. They have been, in the past, directed by the courts to develop more human sensitivity to certain groups.

Good night.

Soothsayer

July 28th, 2011
10:34 pm

Hey! Mick! I think Tiger’s going to come back strong in 2012! He really needs to rest that left leg/knee. Maybe ‘12, maybe ‘13 but I think Tiger’s gonna come back to dominate again. (You heard it here first!)

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
10:36 pm

it must be my German genes

Well, I’m liking you better already, ME!!

I am sorry if that offends you and I am sorry that you do not care for who I am, but I am who I am and I hope you will grow to have a more gracious attitude toward me.

ME–Nothing you have said has ever offended me. And please don’t confuse my challenges to your views as a sign that I don’t like you. I do, wholeheartedly. But as josef will testify, I am wont to hold my best friend’s feet to the fire. Ultimately, it is a sign of respect, a signal that we’ve reached a level of comfort to let it all hang out.

most people think I look 55!! Is that humorous enough for you, Bruno. It is certainly not self-deprecating!

Liking you better by the minute, ME. Can’t speak for others, but love your attempts at being light-hearted. Have a great evening.

Dusty

July 28th, 2011
10:37 pm

Freddie just his ANOTHER one and is on first base. What a player he has turned out to be. The game is going goood!!

Mick

July 28th, 2011
10:40 pm

dusty

The florida marlins are going to sneak up on your beloved braves and steal the season, watch out!!!!

getalife

July 28th, 2011
10:40 pm

The gop civil war is entertaini­ng.

Popcorn.

rush said they were “played”

Mmmm,mmmm,­mmm.

Bruno

July 28th, 2011
10:40 pm

I know some of them epistles got to run 2,000 words at least!

Don’t know about you, Sooth, but that is one of the greatest values that I get from blogging. Great exercise for the brain to construct arguments and defend your point of view. Some of my greatest essays are here on the Bookman blog.

Mary Elizabeth

July 28th, 2011
10:43 pm

You too, Bruno!

getalife

July 28th, 2011
10:43 pm

No vote on the speaker’s bill because he does not have the vote.

Dusty

July 28th, 2011
10:44 pm

MICK,

Those minnows won’t make a dent in the season. The BRAVES will have it covered!!!

Dusty

July 28th, 2011
10:48 pm

“some of my greatest essays”…..

UH oh. too much alcohol being consumed here tonight!!

Mick

July 28th, 2011
10:51 pm

dusty

Minnows? Good one, very funny…..at the end of it all this year the braves will be off the reservation while the minnows keep swimming. You know it’s destiny….