6:49 am July 23, 2011, by Jay
If anybody needs to find me over the next week or so, here’s where I’ll be.
Oh, and you’re going to need a helicopter or a whitewater raft to get there.
Photo by R. Dobkin
July 30th, 201112:26 am
July 30th, 2011
I won….my overall record was 9-2 with two knockouts, anything else? zzzzzzz
July 30th, 201112:28 am
Well allrighty then. We actually have a respectful dialogue between you and me.
Rush Limbaugh is entertainment and I rarely get to listen to him sometimes I don’t hear his program for several weeks and then sometimes I will listen to it for a half hour or so while driving to an afternoon appt. But while he is entertainment the stats and figures he cites are often from a govt source or a think tank. He has his opinions which don’t mean spit but they do mean something when they are backed up by citable, empirical data from reputable sources.
As for the report that we go back to levels in 1961 that is impossible for one thing. After WW2 we were the world’s lone standing economic superpower. The industrialized western European countries and east Asia- Japan and industrial China(mainly Manchuria) were decimated and we literally had a 20 year advantage over these rebuilding nations in terms of infrastructure and economic performance due to their shattered economics. Different era and time.
Today we are in an ever smaller world and are fighting tooth and nail with nations like Indian and China that have human as well as labor capital vastly cheaper than us. We no longer hold the competitive advantage and multinational corporations are leaving the U.S and going overseas due to increased regulation, obscenely high taxation rates- 2nd highest in the world, and economic uncertainty. Corporations and small businesses are the golden goose and through tax and regulatory policies we are trying to strangle that golden goose.
The richest Americans may be paying their lowest rates but the top 1 % still pay 38% of all taxes and the top 10% pay something like 60% of all taxes. How much is enough Mick? Nearly half of American is no longer paying federal income taxes other than FICA. Is that fair that half the people in the whole country aren’t paying for anything? Everybody should have some skin in the game. Everyone.
July 30th, 201112:33 am
I kinda got that you left out the quotation marks. Anyway hatchet buried and add me to your knockout total to make it 10-2 because I’m about zonked out and about to hit the hay. We’ll talk later and possibly solve the nation’s problems tomorrow. Then again probably not. Gnight to the night crew.
Good points…I just have a few minor disagreements. Let’s table it and I’ll get back to you later. Have a good weekend…
July 30th, 201112:43 am
getalife, have you ever gotten your butt kicked before?
July 30th, 201112:47 am
sure ya did, mick
July 30th, 20111:23 am
Democrats are trying to create a default situation to try to blame republicans.
Dave R. - Nos. 3000, 4000 & 5000 - what are the odds?
July 30th, 20111:46 am
Gotta love the lamestream media. How many times have you read or heard “Senate REJECTS Republican plan”?
The Senate hasn’t rejected anything! In fact, they’ve tabled both measures sent to them from the House. Typical gutless Democrat ploy to keep a backup plan in place if other plans fail, but don’t really do anything to further a plan of your own, all the while making it seem like you’ve taken a stand on some legislation, which you haven’t.
And all the myrmidons on the left and in the press can only focus on alleged GOP intransigence, when they’re the only ones fulfilling their Constitutional duty.
Wang Chung Tonight
July 30th, 20116:55 am
I see it did not take the Senate long to reject that garbage put forth by the house republicans. That must be some sort of record.
July 30th, 20117:18 am
Whew!!! What a blog… First a quantum physics rumble, now a proposed smackdown over Rush and some NYT chart. You guys are rough in here, and here I thought Andy the porch dog was tough and mean… What with him runniing libs down in his Escalades and trying to swamp boatloads of liberuls while out on the lake… I’d hate to run into any of you John Waynes in a dark alley…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 30th, 20117:21 am
I see it did not take Reid long to reject the second bill put forth by the house republicans. That must be some sort of stupidity.
July 30th, 20117:38 am
The "L" in liberal stands for LOSER
July 30th, 20117:47 am
Everybody is talking about it.
July 30th, 20118:09 am
“That must be some sort of stupidity.”
I agree, for the house to pass a bill with no hint of compromise or good will, knowing it can’t pass the other two branches was the ultimate in stupidity and a complete waste of time, especially at moment when our time is running out. A complete meltdown of the weak economy won’t be good for anybody, R or D, but at least we will know who owns it if it does come to that…
July 30th, 20118:14 am
Well, all I can say is ol’ Peggy knows a loser when she sees one…being that herself.
July 30th, 20118:16 am
But…let us get back to the important things…
July 30th, 20118:31 am
Everybody but Mika agreed. On the hill — behind closed doors — Obama is a big disappointment to his party members.
July 30th, 20118:39 am
All this whining and moaning for months on end from the right wingers is finally coming to an end and once again all the Republicans can manage to do is nothing. Now they will end up handing more power over to the executive branch via the 14th or else Obama can leave the power in the hands of Congress and watch them take the heat as social security benefits and veteran’s benefits go unpaid and thousands and thousands of federal employees get furloughed, etc. Hey! That sounds a lot like that Ryan bill! All we need to do is throw in a tax cut for those hedge fund billionaires. Hold the line, Republicans.
July 30th, 20118:40 am
Obama is a pretty big disappointment off the hill, and outside closed doors as well… too bad you all have no viable alternative, just ideologues and bomb throwers…
On a related note, my 6 month old daughter is laying on the floor mesmerized by Huck on Faux news… I kinda like huck as well, don’t care for his politics or his revisionist history, but I feel like he’s an honorable man. Too bad he’s out.
July 30th, 20118:50 am
I remembering laying around on the floor reading Huck Finn as a child too. He was mesmerizing. What a life of adventure.
July 30th, 20118:52 am
I never said anything about fighting anyone. That’s what made the ensuing hysteria hilarious. That particular sock puppet even crafted a blogicide note a day or so later and all because I offered to let him do what he said was his burning desire.
July 30th, 20118:55 am
Obama and the Democrats are all actually a big disappointment to the Republicans. They just keep telling the Republicans that they are only willing to compromise and the Republicans will have no part of that. The Republicans need to quit their whining and just take their ball and go home like any self-respecting spoiled brat would have done long ago. Hold that line, Republicans!
July 30th, 20119:01 am
What folks need to understand is that the US is in a stagnant or declining wage base. Asia/India is in a hyper wage inflation era. With quality of service and product as well as time differential (12-14 hours on the service sector) and 2-3 weeks on physical goods in shipping the US should have a re emerging manufacturing base.
As to your last paragraph- it is the tax “abortion” issue. Tax the “rich” 5% more, ensure that all folks employed pay some share of income tax- not just payroll tax that is refunded through refundable credits- and simplify the corporate tax specifically to ensure corporations that are indeed making $ (cash) pay tax.
July 30th, 20119:02 am
Poor Obama, even many liberals have awaken to his incompetent stupidity. Liberal Peggy Noonan has joined the enlightend majority who have finally admitted Obama simply doesn’t know what he is doing. The statistics don’t lie. Highest unemployment in sixty uears, food prices at all time high, gasoline prices hghest under this president, record housing foreclosures, record food stamp recipients, shrinking middle class, poverty growing, worst budget deficit in history, economy on verge of complete cusiness moving over seas, ollapse, government shut down nears, playing poltics with the financial health of every american, the indisputable worst president in history, please god wake us from this night mare and return us to the economy we had under George W Bush.
July 30th, 20119:07 am
“please god wake us from this night mare and return us to the economy we had under George W Bush.”
I say the words “revisionist history” and this pops up… WOW!!!
Yes…MORE ENRON, MORE HOUSING BUBBLE, MORE INTERNET BUBBLE… YES… YES… HARDER… FASTER…
July 30th, 20119:08 am
Where’s that Reid senate bill? Hmmmm. Democrats drop the ball again and risk putting our country in default.
July 30th, 20119:14 am
No problem, it’s a moot point now anyways. It still kind of amazes me how our emotions can get to that boiling point over nothing really. Defending yourself against a physical attack is a whole different matter…
July 30th, 20119:15 am
“return us to the economy we had under George W Bush”
When, specifically? Nov 2008?
And what should have been done differently from that time forth to bring the economy back to better times? And what periods under Bush are you speaking of? 2002?
July 30th, 20119:17 am
“It still kind of amazes me how our emotions can get to that boiling point over nothing really. ”
Always amazing how many people grant to other people the power to control how they react -
**return us to the economy we had under George W Bush.**
Except everything you listed is a result of eight years of bush, so, please god return us to the economy and tax rates under president clinton, that would make more sense…
July 30th, 20119:19 am
**Always amazing how many people grant to other people the power to control how they react **
That’s why they are called emotions, you have to take the good with the bad, we can’t all be spock…
Obama and Reid have failed to put together any compromise plan over the last several days, so now Harry is discovering that his hastily crafted plan doesn’t have sufficient votes in the Senate. The fool in the White House has been providing zero leadership. The Republicans have been the only ones in Congress working on solutions.
July 30th, 20119:20 am
Time for you libs. to wake up !
“Gallup: Obama Approval Drops to New Low of 40%”
“Obama takes debt battle to TWITTER, loses more than 33,000 followers…”
“HARRY BELAFONTE: Obama ‘has failed’…”
July 30th, 20119:23 am
Anybody having problems with google? I think its broke because every time I google President Obama’s specific plans on his deficit reduction plan nothing comes up.
That’s damn funny, I don’t care who You are. (next time add the word “secret”)
So what are you proposing we wake up to? Bachmann? No thanks…
July 30th, 20119:25 am
I’m not speaking of Spock. More like the idea of a thermostat (sets the temperature) vs a thermometer (does nothing but react to outside conditions).
July 30th, 20119:26 am
So what are you proposing we wake up to? Bachmann? No thanks
I wouldn’t be so quick to blow that off.
July 30th, 20119:28 am
Good point, you are a pretty cool cookie but even harry callahan managed to raise your thermostat.
July 30th, 20119:29 am
Bachmann? You betchya!
July 30th, 20119:30 am
Could you imagine what Iraq and Afghanistan would be like if our military didn’t have to work together as one unit and instead went to battle as Liberals and Conservatives?
According to Liberals, the GOP has done nothing but push partisaned ideas with no possible chance of passing. According to Conservatives, Obama hasn’t done $hit, and the Democrats have done nothing towards finding a solution for this current crisis.
When do we drop the partisan $hit and actually work towards solving our issues? Do we wait one, two, or three weeks after our economy completely buckles and we’re all as worthless as a sack of wooden nickles? For once, I’d just love to see Americans. F**k Liberals and F**k Conservatives, just be damn Americans before there’s no America left.
If I offended anybody, oh well. I’m tired of this partisaned crap….
July 30th, 20119:31 am
I never really considered starting a weekend with a philosophical discussion of a thermostat and a thermometer but what the hell.
I’d say both only react to outside conditions, but the thermometer is like a reporter while the thermostat is more like a first year business school student.
July 30th, 20119:32 am
Poor Republicans. All their demands over all these long months, flushed down the toilet in record time in the Senate. The Democrats took all the uncompromising trash handed to them and flushed it so fast, the ink did not have time to dry before it was gone. Hold that line, Republicans.
And don’t forget to go back to your constituency and whine about how those mean old Democrats just would not give in to your uncompromising demands to throw social security and medicare recipients under the bus in exchange for a tax cut for the hedge fund managers. Waaah.
July 30th, 20119:33 am
Dingy harry’s bill, if it really exists, will have to come to a vote sometime Sunday or Monday. Will be interesting. In its current form I don’t think it can pass the senate.
Therefore Harry has no bill.
July 30th, 20119:34 am
No offense taken here, the frustration of our politics will drive a man to go….fishing somewhere off the map, good call jay! I hope you all have a great weekend…
“I’d say both only react to outside conditions”
But that’s not correct. A thermostat doesn’t ONLY react, it also controls the heating/cooling equipment to which it is attached.
July 30th, 20119:36 am
Have you read that Christian Norwegian terrorist’s manifesto yet. What was that, Do ass, do tail!
July 30th, 20119:37 am
““HARRY BELAFONTE: Obama ‘has failed’…””
Harry Belafonte’s farther Left than a socialist.
Belafonte thought Pres Obama was one of them? So guess that means those who think Pres Obama’s a socialist have it wrong?
Turning a device on or off due to outside conditions IS a reaction to the outside conditions. That’s why I likened the thermostat to a business school student that is taught to take very simplistic steps to whatever change occurs around them versus the reporter (thermometer) that only gives information.
We are all progressing….
and I’m here and he’s not!
July 30th, 20119:40 am
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious. Reid was crying about a Republican filibuster and McConnell called his bluff last night by suggesting that Reid should have a simple majority vote on his bill. Harry backed off like an Iraqi tank because his bill didn’t have the votes. The Democrats are going to have to put their cards face up pretty soon, however, it doesn’t look like they have many to play.
July 30th, 20119:41 am
Very good points.
Read in the paper this past week that Sen Boehner’s big problem were TP Republicans, many of whom do NOT want to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances, even with substantial cuts, and whose attitude is “default? big deal….”
I’ll offer, in a closed environment, the thermostat sets the agenda, the thermometer reacts.
July 30th, 20119:43 am
Krauthammer’s sharp wit.
The Congressional Budget Office has found that Harry Reid’s other discretionary savings were overestimated by $400 billion. Not to worry, I am told. Reid has completely plugged that gap. There will be no invasion of Canada next year, no bicentennial this-time-we-really-mean-it 1812 do-over. Huge savings. Huge.
“Turning a device on or off due to outside conditions IS a reaction to the outside conditions”
Nope, it’s a consequence. A thermostat reads the outside conditions, THEN it reacts and sends a signal to the heating/cooling equipment. THAT is Paul’s point. A thermometer ONLY reads the outside conditions, it does nothing else.
Personally though, I would amend Paul’s original comparison. I don’t think some people are like thermometers at all. I think we’re all thermostats. Some are set to cool down when outside conditions get “hot”, others are set to get even hotter when outside conditions are “hot”.
July 30th, 20119:44 am
If I offended anybody, oh well. I’m tired of this partisaned crap….
I like your suggestion, but the challenge is in who is going to go first
July 30th, 20119:45 am
RW-(the original) 9:37
Okay, another example, as it isn’t about the specific operations of thermostats and thermometers, but the concept under consideration.
You likely remember this example, but for the benefit of those who came after, I’d mentioned an excerpt of a book I’d read. Guy’s at a bar with a friend, another guy becomes quite belligerent, insults the guy, his mother, his conditions of birth, just about everything about him in a quite vile way. Guy doesn’t react, finishes his drink and says to his friend “let’s go.” Friend says “aren’t you going to do anything after all that stuff he said about you?” Guy said “why should I give so much power over me to someone I don’t know whose opinion I don’t value? “
I’m watching my Rep to see what he does. I already have a letter started that will go out next week.
July 30th, 20119:46 am
A thermostat isn’t of much use at all without the temperature feedback from the thermometer. You might as well mount an on-off switch and let the occupant use his or her built-in thermometer to decide when to flip the switch. Of course neither device is of much use without a heater or air conditioner, etc., incorporated as part of the system as well as an occupied building and an energy source… such is civilized life in our little part of the world.
July 30th, 20119:48 am
Krauthammer posited a couple weeks ago a compromise position that does not seem to be what we may be headed for.
Agree or disagree with him, all the time or part of the time, he’s a sharp intellect. And his psychiatry background makes for some funny quips in his observations on some politicians.
July 30th, 20119:49 am
“that DOES seem to be what we may be headed for.”
July 30th, 20119:50 am
I’ll raise that bet to read that the person who sets the thermostat sets the agenda and the thermometer still doesn’t do squat (which keeps my reporter analogy in tact)
July 30th, 20119:51 am
The Republican’s lame efforts to hold this country’s social security and medicare recipients, et al, all hostage unless their demands to throw the social security and medicare recipients, et al, under the bus in exchange for another tax cut for the hedge fund managers is Priceless, I say. I Object and America does too. Nonetheless, hold the line, Republicans.
July 30th, 20119:52 am
If you could bundle half a million in bribes…. I mean…. campaign donations, he may really pay attention!
Oh yeah, these guys are all about principle, aren’t they, twitching to every string pulled by the special interest groups who elected them.
July 30th, 20119:54 am
I don’t think you finished that 9:45 story. Doesn’t it end with, “Besides I saw what he drove up in and I have an ice-pick” ?
The Republican’s lame efforts to hold this country’s social security and medicare recipients, et al, all hostage unless their demands are met to throw the social security and medicare recipients, et al, under the bus in exchange for another tax cut for the hedge fund managers is Priceless, I say. I Object and America does too. Nonetheless, hold the line, Republicans.
Those long sentences can be moider, I say, just plain moider.
July 30th, 20119:55 am
Doggone/GA clarified what my original intent was, but the bar example is more in keeping.
I suppose it’s like those who say some expressions or words are so inflammatory that a person is not held liable for how he reacts. I believe that’s even provided for in law. I’ve often wondered, if that’s the case, are there some groups (racial, social, religious) who should be excluded from military or police service, as they won’t be able to control how they react? Or does it simply mean those people are more like….. thermostats?
July 30th, 20119:56 am
Lets see……………. who has owned every recession since 1950 with the exception of two?
Which party has ran up the majority of the debt since 1980?
Which party started two wars and started a major Medicare program with out a plan to pay for them?
Which party voted against pay-as-you go?
Which party stated at the beginning of this year , they were going to use the debt ceiling increase to create a crisis to cut entitlement spending?
Which party is going against the will of the American people by not going to a balanced approach of tax increases and spending cuts?
And which party includes a faction called the tea party that is making Al-Queda look like good guys?
Why that would be the modern Republican Party , thats who.
Remember , you cant spell Corrupt and Recession without a R.
(You don’t know how many times I’ve considered the same thing when I’ve been in certain situations).
July 30th, 20119:58 am
I wonder what would happen if I clicked that “Show All” box located at the end of the page boxes.
July 30th, 201110:01 am
c’mon, Wang, take a walk on the wild side!
A few short years ago we had a 6,000 plus comment thread and no other option than show all. A few people were on dial up and said they could hit refresh, then go fix dinner and put the kids to bed in about the time it took the page to load.
July 30th, 201110:07 am
I know there aren’t enough cat herders in the blogosphere to make it happen, but it would be a real hoot if everybody stayed down here for Jay B’s first column back.
And with that it’s tee time. See y’all again at tea time.
July 30th, 201110:08 am
I’m skeered. I only got the slow speed DSL option and then there’s the unknown unknowns with this old HP computer I have. What if it was to tilt. Can you just bang ‘em on the sides to get ‘em to come back. I’m no pinball wizard and I might not have that magic touch. I do have a 3 lb sledge though.
July 30th, 201110:13 am
We’re still in triple digits so when I’m done with work it’s off to an air conditioned cinema.
That has a good thermostat.
Have a good one -
July 30th, 201110:17 am
Let me get this straight……..in Feb 2010, the Dems and Obama make a big todo about signing the new version of Pay-Go………and now that the House has essentially passed a piece of legislation that fits the criteria, the Dems don’t like it………………….
Makes sense to somebody………..
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 30th, 201110:20 am
Are we broke yet? I got half a notion to go out and blow every penny I got, seeing as how the whole country will go bust early next week.
I see the librul Democrats are still shucking and jiving for the welfare bums, the lazy, and the geezers, not to mention Those People. We won’t never get a balanced budget if we keep shoveling money to these loosers.
When do we get to vote on the Balanced Budget Amenment? There’s all this talk on Fox News but nobody ever says anything about the important stuff like that. It’s always about how one house passes something and the other votes it down like one of Those People was running for homecoming queen in Forsyth County.
Anyhow, me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill are meeting over at Countryland Golf Club to play a round of golf. Sam the greenskeeper got us free passes so we can load up the cooler and enjoy ourselfs. One of you needs to let me know when we’re suppose to be flat busted. I don’t want to pay any bill if everybody’s going to be broke anyway.
Have a good Saturday everybody and don’t forget to go to church tomorrow morning.
July 30th, 201110:24 am
And the truth of the matter is the misfits are only arguing about the timeframe…….before or after 2012……and not much else…….
July 30th, 201110:26 am
“and now that the House has essentially passed a piece of legislation that fits the criteria,”
$917 billion in cuts over ten years is pay as you go?
As far as the amendment, how long for the states to ratify it? Five years? Seven? Ten?
Seems more like “pay in the future for going now.”
July 30th, 201110:29 am
Don’t blow every penny.
Save some for the collection plate.
And watch out for RW on the course. He’ll likely try to bum a few beers off ya’!
July 30th, 201110:30 am
“Moody’s says US should retain top credit rating”
All part of the game……..these guys know they are all on record as having a big hand in the recent global crisis, and stand to lose themselves if they are perceived as causing the next one too……….
July 30th, 201110:33 am
“$917 billion in cuts over ten years is pay as you go?”
I’d say it’s better than never such as it mainly is now………………
I’d prefer to see something on the books to point at in the future vs giving them catre blanche access to more spending limits…………
Yes, it was the “Balanced Budget Amendment” that showed me the House Republicans weren’t serious and were only trying to placate the Tea Party who have absolutely no clue about government. The Speaker of the House should be ashamed of himself and his Party…but as Mr. Gump said, “Stupid is as stupid does”.
July 30th, 201110:35 am
Off to see Mom and my Son…back later…sorry
“As far as the amendment, how long for the states to ratify it? Five years? Seven? Ten?”
Does it really matter??
If/when it ever gets voted on, if the folks want it….so be it. I don’t really have a problem with a BBA…..it will have an emergency clause just like Pay-Go…….which hasn’t been used since passage…………..
July 30th, 201110:36 am
Making good on our commitment to pay back with interest that which we borrowed is what this stalemate is about. The Republicans continue to try and make it about throwing the sick and elderly under the bus in order to give the hedge fund managers more tax cuts, amongst other equally childish and irresponsible things. It ain’t gonna happen. Regardless, hold that line, Republicans.
July 30th, 201110:37 am
And that means the legislation, not the emergency clause. We’ve been in perpetual emergency mode since Obama signed that bill……….
From what I’ve read, taking out the war ’savings’ – the Reid plan has about the same cuts. Seems to me the real issue is Dems want a high enough debt ceiling increase to last thru the election while Reps want to go thru this again right before the election.
And as I’ve said before, I do not think either one of them goes far enough with cuts.
July 30th, 201110:40 am
“The Republicans continue to try and make it about throwing the sick and elderly under the bus in order to give the hedge fund managers more tax cuts, amongst other equally childish and irresponsible things. ”
If that isn’t a copy and paste talking point……….
With the prospects of a long term deal dead, it is ONLY about a date………..before or after the campaign cycle……….that isn’t too hard to figure out………and both sides are playing the game.
Two more days of political theater until they pass a clean debt limit bill or use the Constitution .
The tea party deserved to be heard by the gop because they showed up, started a movement to cut spending and voted.
They were heard and they did change the spending conversation but was needed when w blew the surplus.
Clinton proved we do not need a balance the budget amendment.
He did it without one and one of our greatest Presidents.
July 30th, 201110:41 am
Paul…..seems we both see the same thing………………….
July 30th, 201110:42 am
The balanced budget amendment seemed to me one of those things that fits the criteria for Rep criticism of Dem proposals – too iffy, too far out in the future, too uncertain.
Guy named Mark Davis, has the highest rated local talk show in Texas on WBAP, is quite conservative (well, he wouldn’t be a lib in Texas and have the highest rated talk show) who’s discussed at length about reservations conservatives should have with a BBA.
You might be interested:
He’s had some lively exchanges with callers over this one!
July 30th, 201110:43 am
“or use the Constitution .”
The constitution says Congress is responsible for paying the Debt………look it up.
“seems we both see the same thing”
Well, if we could get elected we just might form a majority!
July 30th, 201110:45 am
Wars started with Democrat presidents in office, WW1year, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Bosnia, and Libya. Worst economy presidents, Roosevelt, Carter, Obama. Highest unemployment rats, Roosevelt, Carter, Obama. Highest gasoine price Obama. Highest deficit borrwing, Democrat Congress starting any year you want. Highest number of home foreclosures, Obama. Highest food prices, Obama. Democrat passing most regulations harming business and creating business failures and unemployment. Name an economic item and the Democrats have messed it up worse than any Republican.
July 30th, 201110:47 am
“if we could get elected”
I’m not about to put my dirty laundry on the National closeline………I have too much.
Some of my “choices” weren’t very good………………….
When a President puts two wars and tax cuts for the wealthy on the credit card is when a tea party was needed. They marched lock step with w and did not care until they lost.
We needed a balance the budget amendment before w put us in this position but it probably needs to be done to stop the next w.
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