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Jefferson
July 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
Well the GOP in GA has been berry goot to the visitors without documentations now haven’t they. Regular welocome wagon crowd.
Paul
July 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
carlosgvv
The topic was religion, not politics.
Surely you comprehended that.
You seem to have difficulty letting go.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
2:42 pm
REPORT: House, Senate agree on framework; Obama says no — again…
Looks like Obama has hijacked the moniker of “the party of no”.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
2:45 pm
REPORT: House, Senate agree on framework; Obama says no — again…
I may have been wrong in my last post. I guess it should be “he POTUS of no”!
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
2:45 pm
How’s that “Obama got bin Laden” bump working out?
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
2:45 pm
After numerous people responded that they, like me, read Mary Elizabeth’s posts, I think the gist is that pen is “nobody”. (grin)
Paul
July 25th, 2011
2:47 pm
Afternoon, Dave R.
“First, it’s a bit unseemly to see the President of the United States “summoning” leaders of one-third of the co-equal legislative branch to the White House like some banana republic dictator, especially as it now seems it was done largely for show.”
As was noted earlier, some people complain when he doesn’t demonstrate firm ‘leadership’ then when he does, they complain. There is a certain consistency to it.
Second, the bottom line is, he called, they came.
My guess is that more than anything is what has the anti-Obama-ites in a dither.
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
2:48 pm
LWM, I think that all this over-blown hype about “compromise = bad” is just that – over-blown.
There are certainly things that may need compromise in the future, and I believe we’ll see that from both sides, but on something this important? Compromise is a wasted effort on spending curbs right now, as there are few times when one side or another gets to hold a proverbial gun to the other side’s head in order to get something important done.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
2:49 pm
Look as though Obama continues his streak of things going up:
“POLL: ‘Debt-related stress’ up 17% this year… ”
Unemployment rising, national debt rising, inflation rising….very impressive.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
2:50 pm
Paulo at 2:36: “I’m fatter …..I mean flatterred!” (Sherman Klump – The Nutty Professor).
Thanks Paulo!
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
2:51 pm
Paul, I would dispute very strongly that leadership could be construed as “summoning” your peers to a meeting, and then moving the goal posts so much that they call off talks and proceed without you.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
2:52 pm
Paul
July 25th, 2011
2:47 pm
Nah, it’s just a chess game. Neither the Congress, or any party, wants to be viewed as uncooperative. Gotta keep showing up for the photo ops even though the POTUS will continue to threaten a veto.
Since he torpedoed the latest bipartisan measure, if the default does happen Obama will have to shoulder the blame.
Granny Godzilla
July 25th, 2011
2:55 pm
Moving the goal posts?
Like Boehner suddenly requiring the debt ceiling increase will only happen if the HCA mandate goes away?
(I guess thay are running scared that it won’t be declared unconstitutional)
Paul
July 25th, 2011
2:57 pm
Dave R.
Unfortunately, those who derided the Pres for lack of ‘leadership’ never really defined what they meant, other than to imply ‘decisiveness’ or ‘forcefulness.’
And yeah, I can see how summoning the majority leader of the co-equal branch and having him respond rankles some. But that’s life in the big leagues.
As far as moving goal posts, I really doubt if any side has a goal on the Truth in portraying what’s going on at those meetings.
I think maybe Pres Obama has the upper hand in this, which is why Congress responds. Gets back to the quote someone put up a few days back relating to Pres Clinton. Words to the effect that if he were pres, he’d cite the 14th, raise the debt and let the Court sort it out.
Considering Spkr Boehner says it’s ‘his’ (Pres Obama’s) debt (problem), not the country’s problem, that strikes me as a reasonable position.
Somehow, I don’t think Republicans would view that as leadership, either.
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
2:57 pm
“Like Boehner suddenly requiring the debt ceiling increase will only happen if the HCA mandate goes away?”
Do you have a reliable source citing this contention?
TaxPayer
July 25th, 2011
2:57 pm
I see the Democrats have finally agreed to use part of Ryan’s proposal — one trillion in cuts from drawing down troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that’s a good compromise.
Paul
July 25th, 2011
2:58 pm
Dave R.
Make that “I really doubt if any side has a lock on the Truth in portraying what’s going on at those meetings
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
2:59 pm
More evidence of global cooling…
Records were set or tied in 41 cities and towns from North Carolina to Maine over the weekend, AccuWeather.com said. All-time highs on Saturday were posted in Newark, New Jersey, where temperatures reached 108; Reading, Pennsylvania, where it was 106; and Philadelphia, where temperatures got up to 103.
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
2:59 pm
“I think maybe Pres Obama has the upper hand in this, which is why Congress responds. Gets back to the quote someone put up a few days back relating to Pres Clinton. Words to the effect that if he were pres, he’d cite the 14th, raise the debt and let the Court sort it out.”
If he does that Paul, after all this wrangling, he pretty much guarantees a one-term presidency.
Paul
July 25th, 2011
2:59 pm
Leg Lamp
Last few polls I’ve seen on Fox show the public holds the Republican Congress more responsible. May not be fair or accurate, but it’s the perception.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:01 pm
@@: I should have used the word “chose”….He chose part-time government work over a full-time private sector position. Why? Only he knows. Maybe he doesn’t like working full-time.
I don’t want to seem overly “suspicious” @@; but it seems like you’ve just inferred that Obama is lazy? Is that correct?
Please refer back to my earlier post:
•Lecturer – Consitutional Law, Chicago Law School, 1992-2004
•Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland law firm, 1993-2004
•Illinois Senator, 13th District, 1996-2004
During the time he was a “Professor” at the Chicago Law School, he was also a member of a law firm, and the Illinois Senate. So in essence, he had three jobs, with one part-time (Professor); one full time (Lawyer) and one 3/4 of the time (Legislator). Maybe there just wasn’t enough hours in a day for him to go Full time, eat, sleep, and then spend some time with his family.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:01 pm
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
2:59 pm
So what’s the excuse for the previous record highs in those 41 cities? When were the previous highs reached?
Paul
July 25th, 2011
3:01 pm
Dave R. 2:59
Oh, I think more than a few people would say “he showed leadership and put the good of the country first.”
Taxpayer
“one trillion in cuts from drawing down troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Republicans want to cut and run?!!?
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:02 pm
You perhaps need to revisit American history and look beyond the happy textbook story. Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis plunged this country into a needless bloodletting that cost the lives of more than 600,000 young men for no other reason than their own self-agrandizement. He was not a good man and he was not a good president. He ran roughshod over the Constitution and civil liberties in a fashion unseen before or after. Theodore Roosevelt was a proponent of a policy of genocide against the American Indians. I’m a bit less condemnatory of FDR, but his refusal to give asylum to the Jews of Europe even when he was fully informed of what was happening doesn’t put him in the level of “great.”
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
2:57 pm
Does Granny EVER have a reliable source citing her contentions?
Left wing management
July 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
Dave R. : “There are certainly things that may need compromise in the future, and I believe we’ll see that from both sides, but on something this important? ”
What I think is that a counter-Left movement can put forward some sensible positions, e.g. 100% tax rates on very high incomes, and see how some folks receive that.
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
As Karl Rove noted, the debate is now between a package that is mostly spending cuts versus 100% spending cuts and polls have consistently shown Obama has public opinion on his side in that debate. Five recent polls have shown overwhelming support for a “balanced approach” that includes a mix of tax increases and spending cuts. As David Brooks wrote two weeks ago, Republicans would be crazy to walk away from what will likely be the best offer for deficit reduction on their terms in a generation. But Republicans seem intent on not only walking away from a deal, but handing Democrats electoral gifts as they go.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:04 pm
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:02 pm
The best “bipartisan” post of the day.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:08 pm
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
Republicans walking away?
First the Ryan plan. Then cut and cap. And now the latest with Dirty Harry Reid seeming ready to sign on.
And the dems offered just what?
Mary Elizabeth
July 25th, 2011
3:10 pm
Paulo977 @ 2:29 p.m.
Message from Matti @ 2:34 p.m.
AmVet @ 2:45 p.m.
—————————–
Thanks much to you all for your kind words.
Remembering that everyone is “somebody,” I hope that poison pen works through his animosity toward me. I have no ill will toward him.
More thoughts on current events (and even historical ones) another day.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:10 pm
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:03 pm
By the way, “balanced approach” is just another pathetic attempt by the liberals to raise taxes so they can continue spending.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:11 pm
Paul: Second, the bottom line is, he called, they came. My guess is that more than anything is what has the anti-Obama-ites in a dither.
Sad but true.
Dave R: Paul, I would dispute very strongly that leadership could be construed as “summoning” your peers to a meeting
The President outranks all members of Congress — in essence no one in Congress is his “peer”.
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:11 pm
@@ – after reading that back and forth between you and Baby S., I’ve got to say that you come across as pathetic. and obstinately so.
Granny Godzilla
July 25th, 2011
3:12 pm
Dave R
It’s being reported by the NYT, Salon, Politico, amongst others.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 25th, 2011
3:13 pm
AmVet….pretty clear that the small minority who believe that principles dictate only spending cuts and no tax increasing (even if just closing tax loopholes or removing subsidies) may have loud mouths on this blog but seeming become louder and louder as their position slips farther and farther away from reality.
@@
July 25th, 2011
3:14 pm
Suggs:
I don’t want to seem overly “suspicious” @@; but it seems like you’ve just inferred that Obama is lazy? Is that correct?
No! Were that the case, I’d have to call myself lazy. Given the opportunity to return to work full-time, I’ve opted for part-time.
Any more questions?
Peer of the Realm
July 25th, 2011
3:15 pm
Dave R has royalty envy. Just saying.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:15 pm
If he does that Paul, after all this wrangling, he pretty much guarantees a one-term presidency.
He’ll shore up his base support AND gain more support from the Centrists. In essence he’ll call the republicans bluff.
@@
July 25th, 2011
3:16 pm
Midori:
@@ – after reading that back and forth between you and Baby S., I’ve got to say that you come across as pathetic. and obstinately so.
Why, thank you, Midori. I’ll file that away in my “Who Gives A Chit” drawer.
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:17 pm
Since he torpedoed the latest bipartisan measure, if the default does happen Obama will have to shoulder the blame.
Nah, blame goes 60/40 for the GOP regardless. It would be 50/50, but the GOP was the party to decide to stage their Pre-Election Year Shakespeare over the debt ceiling, instead of the FY 2012 budget debates. Both have strategic positions going into an election year which would have given the GOP the tactical advantage of higher ground, but the latter wouldn’t be potentially catastrophic for everyone if a deal isn’t reached in time.
Granny Godzilla
July 25th, 2011
3:18 pm
Hey Midori
How ya’ feeling sweetie?
Adam
July 25th, 2011
3:21 pm
Nanny-statism as a result of Lincoln: Nonsense. He expanded the powers of the government in relation to slavery and secession “rights” of the states. Both of those are “rights” the states should not have in today’s world any more than they should have had them back then. It’s just more obvious now how bad of an idea it would be to “create” your own country by withdrawing from the union. You may object to the idea, but that’s hardly “nanny” statism even if you think states should have the right to allow slavery or allow secession. Neither of those things deal with the rights of the individual, but in the rights of a state government to completely override the federal government, which is unconstitutional on its own.
On the debt ceiling being extended into 2013: If it weren’t for credit agencies talking about downgrading our nation’s credit if we do have something more temporary, OR if we default, I might agree that a move to get it extended that far would be purely political. But that’s not reality. Those credit agencies recognize that creates uncertainty – REAL uncertainty, not all the other fake claims of uncertainty having to do solely with taxes and perceived regulatory stuff that will just somehow happen magically because of who is in the White House.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:23 pm
josef: Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis plunged this country into a needless bloodletting that cost the lives of more than 600,000 young men for no other reason than their own self-agrandizement.
Lincoln had no choice but to continue the war that JD started. JD broke from the Union — he effectively said that states rights took precedent over federal rights. Which of coure, is not true.
He was not a good man and he was not a good president. He ran roughshod over the Constitution and civil liberties in a fashion unseen before or after.
How? By saying that a State’s rights does not usurp the Federal Rights? JD had no right to break from the union — none. By upholding the Constitution Lincoln saved the United States.
Theodore Roosevelt was a proponent of a policy of genocide against the American Indians.
TR help bring in sweeping reforms for the working man and landmark anti-trust legislation. His legacy was not perfect, however, without him the US would be a third world country right now and no better than Columbia which is ran by drug lords .
I’m a bit less condemnatory of FDR, but his refusal to give asylum to the Jews of Europe even when he was fully informed of what was happening doesn’t put him in the level of “great.”
True — however you can not diminish his legacy for the common man. FDR’s proposals helped to bring the US back from the abyss of insolvency.
Adam
July 25th, 2011
3:23 pm
Also with relation to any arguments NOT to extend the debt ceiling into 2013, that’s clearly a political move designed to FORCE as many spending cuts as possible, with the added benefit of being able to hold our ability to pay our bills hostage every single time the GOP has any other issue they want to force, such as extending the Bush Tax Cuts.
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:24 pm
Keep, the Bushbots are a hoot, huh?
The neo-con dolts, with their subservient Democratic sidekicks friggin’ blew up the entire US economy with their gargantuan, borrow and spend on botched, chosen wars, fiscal irresponsibility the likes of which have never, ever been witnessed in this nation and endless criminal coddling and enabling and then in their best petulant lament cry out, “Hey! How come everything is coming up roses by now?”
And they still seem flummoxed as to why they have zero credibility with most of the planet…
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:25 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 25th, 2011
3:13 pm
Most conservatives I know, myself included, don’t have a problem with eliminating many of the existing tax loopholes. Our biggest objection is raising the tax rates while we’re in such dire straits.
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:25 pm
ADAM
On the other hand suspension of the Writ of Habeas Corpus, Censorship of the Mails and Press, prohibition of assembly, religious class persecution, claiming there was “a higher law than the Constitution,” foreign exile of political opponents, just for starters I would say bordered on dictatorship…slavery and states’ rights weren’t at issue here…
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:26 pm
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:24 pm
“And they still seem flummoxed as to why they have zero credibility with most of the planet…”
Did you miss the 2010 election?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 25th, 2011
3:27 pm
Most recent poll averages reported by Real Clear Politics has Obama at 45.5% approval and at 49.9% disapproval.
Doggone/GA
July 25th, 2011
3:28 pm
“Nah, blame goes 60/40 for the GOP regardless. It would be 50/50, but the GOP was the party to decide to stage their Pre-Election Year Shakespeare over the debt ceiling”
Not as far as I’m concerned. I place it 100% on the GOP. They should NEVER have tried to hold the debt ceiling hostage to their agenda. NEVER.
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:29 pm
Hi Mrs. G
doing fine, thanks
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:31 pm
josef: Censorship of the Mails and Press, prohibition of assembly, religious class persecution, claiming there was “a higher law than the Constitution,” foreign exile of political opponents, just for starters I would say bordered on dictatorship…
josef perhaps my “whitewashed” historical education missed those points, but could you kindly cite some references to the claims that you made above?
slavery and states’ rights weren’t at issue here…
Yes it was. JD (the South) seceeded because of them. How bigger of an issue could it NOT be?
Adam
July 25th, 2011
3:32 pm
josef: Ok, but how is any of that nanny-statism. I’ll buy that it is pretty close to dictatorship, but it doesn’t exactly show that the government was coddling its citizens.
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
3:32 pm
“The President outranks all members of Congress — in essence no one in Congress is his “peer”.”
Baby Suggs, I suggest you re-read your Constitution some time.
The Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches are all co-equal branches of government. In this form of government, the President, Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader are peers, as each heads their respective branch.
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:33 pm
BABY SUGGS
He had already begun building up the military and was ready to go, JD (who incidentally was fairly lukewarm on the question of secession) certainly did his part in knocking the chip off the shoulder. The historical facts of the matter are, though, that he would not exercise the option of giving the saner heads in the seceding states the time to regroup and counter secession without going to war.
And he did NOT uphold the Constitution. He upheld the UNION but he ran roughshod over the Constitution to do that. He was a bloodthirsty, powermad ghoul in an age dominated by such.
TEDDY
Fine and good. Just don’t try to pass that malarky off to an American Indian.
FDR
And Hitler gave us the Autobahn and Mussolini made the trains run on time. FDR knew full well what was happening and had it within his power to save the 800,000 Jews of Hungary and chose not to. It’s that simple.
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:34 pm
2010 didn’t even get the neo-cons back to where they were before the epic slaughters of 2006 and 2008…
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:37 pm
Doggone
Can’t argue with your perspective, but I hold them both at fault. That’s just my view.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:37 pm
Doggone/GA
July 25th, 2011
3:28 pm
You lefties never cease to amaze me. When Obama was elected and controlled both chambers of Congress, what long range budgets were passed?
Does it not make you just the slightest bit curious as to why Obama now wants Congress to up the debt ceiling until AFTER the 2012 election? It just seems so disingenuous.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:38 pm
AmVet
July 25th, 2011
3:34 pm
But it was the biggest gain in the House in, what, over 70 years?
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:38 pm
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:37 pm
Harumph, harumph!! Both are at fault.
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:38 pm
Fine and good. Just don’t try to pass that malarky off to an American Indian.
Or even descendants of the Buffalo Soldiers… a damned truth stretching glory hog is all TR truly is!!!
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 25th, 2011
3:40 pm
Concerns about economy, jobs outweigh worries about deficit. Gallop
Voters give GOP 10-point edge over Democrats on economy. Rasmussen
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:40 pm
The Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches are all co-equal branches of government. In this form of government, the President, Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader are peers, as each heads their respective branch.
I know the 1/3 rule, however, I also know the President “outranks” Congress. It’s the same as a Corporal and a Specialist 4. They are both E-4’s (Army), however the Corp. outranks the Spec. because a Corp. is considered an NCO and a Spec4 is not. Again, same precedent with a 1st Sgt and a Master Sgt., (Army again); they are both E-8’s however the 1stSgt. outranks the Master Sgt.
Normal
July 25th, 2011
3:40 pm
Baby Suggs,
Funny this happened today in 1861, but I think this shows some of what Josef is talking about…
Jul 25, 1861:
Congress passes Crittenden-Johnson Resolution
On this day in 1861, the U.S. Congress passes the Crittenden-Johnson Resolution, declaring that the war is being waged for the reunion of the states and not to interfere with the institutions of the South, namely slavery. The measure was important in keeping the pivotal states of Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland in the Union.
This resolution is not to be confused with an earlier plan, the Crittenden Compromise, which proposed protecting slavery as an enticement to keep Southern states from seceding; the plan was defeated in Congress. Many Northerners initially supported a war to keep the Union together, but had no interest in advancing the cause of abolition. The Crittenden-Johnson Resolution was passed in 1861 to distinguish the issue of emancipation from the war’s purpose.
The common denominator of the two plans was Senator John Crittenden from Kentucky. Crittenden carried the torch of compromise borne so ably by another Kentucky senator, Henry Clay, who brokered such important deals as the Missouri Compromise of 1820 and the Compromise of 1850 to keep the nation together. Clay died in 1852, but Crittenden carried on the spirit befitting the representative of a state deeply divided over the issue of slavery.
Although the Crittenden-Johnson Resolution was passed in Congress, it meant little when, just two weeks later, President Abraham Lincoln signed a confiscation act, allowing for the seizure of property—including slaves—from rebellious citizens. Still, for the first year and a half of the Civil War, reunification of the United States was the official goal of the North. It was not until Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation of September 1862 that slavery became a goal.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:41 pm
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 25th, 2011
3:40 pm
Just watch, someone will rail on you for quoting Rasmussen.
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
3:42 pm
“Not as far as I’m concerned. I place it 100% on the GOP. They should NEVER have tried to hold the debt ceiling hostage to their agenda. NEVER.”
Color me shocked. Another unbiased opinion not based in fact.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:42 pm
EnterBaby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:40 pm
So you’re saying the POTUS is a Corporal? Based on his performance I’d say more like a Buck Private.
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:43 pm
Leg Lamp
Doggone’s point is why I hold the GOP more at fault.
From my perspective, there’s two primary safety rules to follow when handling a gun.
#1 Never point a gun at something that you do not wish to destroy. If the GOP had no intentions of destroying our economy or risking the world’s economy, they should have never pointed their sights at the debt ceiling vote. The FY 2012 budget debate would have been a much better target with far less collateral damage.
#2 Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to destroy whatever you are pointing at. Not dealing with the debt ceiling vote in a timely manner instead of the last minute $hit is just like playing a game of russian roulette with a loaded semi-auto handgun….
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:43 pm
BABY SUGGS
Any standard study of the Civil War, pro or contra on Lincoln will reference those points. Pick your historian and reference it using the index.
I did not at any point say that slavery and states’ rights did not lie at the very heart of the conflict. I said that these usurpsions of powers and running roughshod over the Constitution were not defended even by the Lincoln administration as being related to slavery and states’ rights. Nor were they challenged (some more succesfully than others) in the North along those lines. Again, go deeper into the events of the time and place and the political macchinations besetting the Washington government at the time.
ADAM
Point taken on “nanny statism…” It wasn’t that per se that I was addressing, but I was not clear in that. Personally, as you know, I have a real problem with that catch phrase since I don’t see an awful lot of evidence that it exists. Of course, I’m a cradle to grave Socialist!
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:44 pm
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:43 pm
Which rule did Obama violate when, as a Senator, he said raising the debt ceiling was careless and wreckless?
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:44 pm
so, am I correct in thinking we actually WILL HAVE a football season this year?
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:45 pm
BROSEPHUS
Unmentionable says to tell ya, don’t politics make strange bedfellows!
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:45 pm
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:44 pm
Yesirree, as long as the owners agree to raise the debt ceiling……er, uh, I mean the players will have their taxes raised….er, uh…..oh never mind.
Message from Matti
July 25th, 2011
3:46 pm
Good LORD have mercy, are we still debating the Civil War? AGAIN? Seriously? Of course we are…. Evidence that we, as a people and a nation, are already finished. In the end, this “great” nation of ours will be a couple of paragraphs in a future history book on a planet colonized by our (China’s & Russia’s) descendents who actually survive what we’re doing to this one. The two paragraphs will explain that the nation made it nearly 300 years, but imploded into chaos and was easily conquered due the people being SO FULL OF THEMSELVES that they kept squabbling with each other even when it was clear that their very survival was contingent upon pulling together. In short, they were idiots.
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
3:46 pm
“I know the 1/3 rule, however, I also know the President “outranks” Congress.”
Really?
Tell me how he gets a budget signed into law without prior approval of Congress. Or anything signed into law, for that matter. Please describe the President’s law-making capabilities as outlined in the U.S Constitution.
Your argument is pathetic, Baby Suggs.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 25th, 2011
3:46 pm
Leg lamp… I dont think there have been many calls to raise tax rates other than some elimination of the Bush tax cuts which were never intended to be permanent. So glad you support the President. Of course, threatening to blow up the economy over a debt ceiling has not been very good for our dire straits either…thanks to the Republican extremists.
AmVet…would be nice to see sensible solutions where all truly make sacrifices and many of the abuses are eliminated….and of course an end to the armchair chickenhawk demands for unending battles that go on for more than a decade.
Paul
July 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
Hi Midori!!!
For high school and especially college, well, sure!
And that’s really all that matters.
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
NORMAL
Thanks for taking the time…I was just before looking up the Crittenden references…
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
3:48 pm
“Any standard study of the Civil War, pro or contra on Lincoln will reference those points. Pick your historian and reference it using the index. ”
As long as you pick a MAJOR historian.
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:48 pm
Lamp
Rule #1. He didn’t have the ammo or even a real gun to pull #2. What’s your point?
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:49 pm
Hi Paul
actually I like the NFL better than college, etc…………..
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July 25th, 2011
3:49 pm
Even Paul Krugman knows it wasn’t FDR’s economic policies that brought an end to The Great Depression, it was WWII.
A naive view says that what we need is a return to virtue: everyone needs to save more, pay down debt, and restore healthy balance sheets.
The problem with this view is the fallacy of composition: when everyone tries to pay down debt at the same time, the result is a depressed economy and falling inflation, which cause the ratio of debt to income to rise if anything. That is, we’re living in a world in which the twin paradoxes of thrift and deleveraging hold, and hence in which individual virtue ends up being collective vice.
So what will happen? In the end, I’d argue, what must happen is an effective default on a significant part of debt, one way or another. The default could be implicit, via a period of moderate inflation that reduces the real burden of debt; that’s how World War II cured the depression. Or, if not, we could see a gradual, painful process of individual defaults and bankruptcies, which ends up reducing overall debt.
Said it again in a more recent column.
Normal
July 25th, 2011
3:49 pm
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:44 pm
so, am I correct in thinking we actually WILL HAVE a football season this year?
We may not have a country, but yeah, it looks like football.
I guess like the Romans had the Gladiators when Rome was falling…
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:50 pm
What’s your point?
I was going to ask just that re: that bizarre post he made to me.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:50 pm
He had already begun building up the military and was ready to go,
That was his job. He knew it was coming, should he have pretended ignorance and be caught “unaware”?
JD (who incidentally was fairly lukewarm on the question of secession) certainly did his part in knocking the chip off the shoulder. The historical facts of the matter are, though, that he would not exercise the option of giving the saner heads in the seceding states the time to regroup and counter secession without going to war.
i am not a war monger, however, the war effectively and decisively ceased any more discussion on the subject of slavery AND secession. Sometimes, wars are good things.
And he did NOT uphold the Constitution. He upheld the UNION but he ran roughshod over the Constitution to do that. He was a bloodthirsty, powermad ghoul in an age dominated by such.
He upheld FEDERAL rights. Without him, there would not have been a UNITED States of AMERICA.
TEDDY – Fine and good. Just don’t try to pass that malarky off to an American Indian.
Good lord you’re dissing Teddy but Jackson was the true evilmonger towards the indians. His actions as a War hero AND as President was filled with the blood of the Indians!
FDR – And Hitler gave us the Autobahn and Mussolini made the trains run on time. FDR knew full well what was happening and had it within his power to save the 800,000 Jews of Hungary and chose not to. It’s that simple.
josef, at the time, how COULD FDR have helped the jews? 800,000 jews when his country was on the brink of financial ruin, with soup lines, high unemployment etc………..who comes first, his citizens or the citizens of another country?
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:50 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 25th, 2011
3:46 pm
I must disagree. Obama didn’t have the stones (nor the votes) to eliminate the Bush Tax Cuts (now known as the Obama Tax Cuts). But why, oh why, did the POTUS not push his full agenda when the libs controlled both chambers of Congress?
Now as far as holding the POTUS hostage, what plans have the libs presented to raise the debt ceiling? When was the last time the libs introduced ANY budget?
Both parties have failed us, but we can only blame ourselves.
Midori
July 25th, 2011
3:51 pm
Bread and Circuses, Normal
Normal
July 25th, 2011
3:51 pm
josef
July 25th, 2011
3:47 pm
Anything to help educate the yankee masses…
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:52 pm
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
3:48 pm
I didn’t think I would need to spell it out, but here’s my point. If, according to Senator Obama, raising the debt ceiling was a wreckless endeavor, then why is it such a good option now?
Normal
July 25th, 2011
3:53 pm
Headed for home, be good y’all.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 25th, 2011
3:55 pm
Reid’s one trillion in war savings gimmick may not be enough to satisfy the ratings agencies and prevent a credit downgrade.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/25/congress-warned-credit-downgrade-if-war-savings-counted-as-deficit-reduction/
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 25th, 2011
3:56 pm
Leg, I know these days they don’t like, likely voters.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:57 pm
Dave R can Congess sign or enter into treaties? When they enter into a building does the band play,
“All Hail the Chief(s)”? Just as there is a CEO of a corporation, the President is the CEO of the USA; and he outranks all others. Calling me names won’t change that fact. Sorry.
All – welll it’s been nice — but I gotta start dinner. Have a great day everyone.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:57 pm
I was talking to a friend during lunch and he said the $1 trillion in cuts would actually be amortized over a 10-year period, and during that time the US would spend an additional $40 trillion. If that’s the case, then we’re totally screwed.
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:59 pm
PS Dave R – Perhaps if you think of the 1/3 of Christendom this will make sense to you. You have God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. According to christendom all three are one with Gond the Father being the All Mighty.
Now if you can buy that theory, I see no reason for your incredulity concerning Presidential powers.
Night all.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
July 25th, 2011
3:59 pm
Baby Suggs
July 25th, 2011
3:57 pm
But when the Georgia Bulldogs storm the field they play “Glory, glory to ole’ Georgia”…
Dave R.
July 25th, 2011
3:59 pm
“He upheld FEDERAL rights. Without him, there would not have been a UNITED States of AMERICA.”
Not so. The U.S. would have been smaller, but it still would have existed.
Brosephus
July 25th, 2011
4:00 pm
Leg Lamp
Don’t be such a dumbass. The minority party has always said that $hit, however, they have cast the votes necessary to increase the limit without undue delay. Look at the votes historically in both Houses. If the majority didn’t have the necessary number of votes, then the minority party kicked in enough votes to pass it. That gives a few the chance to puff their chest and build their credentials while still allowing things to not cause fecal matter to hit the oscillating wind generator.
Part of me would like to see total collapse, just so I can look at all those jackasses and say “They told you so!!!” Kids don’t always listen to their parents, so they have to touch that hot stove and get burned to understand that Hot means Hot!! I think this is a lesson that both politicians and the public needs to learn. People are so caught up in ideology that they don’t see what’s about to happen, so I say let it happen. We can all be worthless together.
Mary Elizabeth
July 25th, 2011
4:00 pm
The Civil War was a highly unusual time in America’s history and it was probably destined to occur from this nation’s formation, as many of that era could foresee. Without a man of Lincoln’s capacity for spiritual growth and fortitude, we would not be the United States today. Rather than debating his merit among ourselves, why not let the words of Lincoln, himself, speak to his intent and his motivations for his decisions? Please reread his words, with deliberation and without bias.
The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate—we cannot consecrate—we cannot hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom— and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Paul
July 25th, 2011
4:01 pm
Have a good one, Normal
Midori
I do like the championship games, but I find myself watching pro games and thinking “for what they pay those guys, they oughta do better than that…”
High school, there’s some great emerging talent and they play their hearts out.
College – on any given game day, absolutely anything can happen. I do like that random factor -