Gone fishing … literally

If anybody needs to find me over the next week or so, here’s where I’ll be.

Oh, and you’re going to need a helicopter or a whitewater raft to get there.

river

Photo by R. Dobkin

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jconservative

July 23rd, 2011
7:51 am

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
8:07 am

Have a great time, Jay. I envy the heck out of you!

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
8:27 am

Jefferson

July 23rd, 2011
8:44 am

I’ll use my chopper, then.

Richard Dobkin

July 23rd, 2011
9:10 am

Thanks for the credit but more importantly thanks for the memories associated with the trip. Now if you could take Eric Cantor down river …….

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
9:13 am

We’ll miss the fishing charts …………….. NOT !

Now, here’s what interesting about the atrocity in Norway.

This will be condemned worldwide for what it is – madman, eat up with FALSE religion, taking his vengeance out on totally innocent people.

1) NO religious organizations will step up to say, “well, you don’t know what oppression he went through”.

2) NO clerics will be allowed to preach his hate this Sunday, appear on television or write editorials justifying not the “way” he did it but his “cause”. They would be arrested or deported for “hate speech, terroristic threats and inciting future violence”

3) NO religious organizations (if asked) will remain silent in their condemnation.

4) NO training camps will be set up in his name by followers. NO armbands of his deeds will be worn.

5) NO Army’s will march in his name.

6) NO mother’s will raise their children to emulate him.

7) NO false religious schools will add his “heroic deeds” to their textbooks.

8) NO one will interpret any writings he may have made as justification for his acts.

Decent people in the world community will allow NONE of the above.

I could go on and on but I think you get the drift ………………………………….

Headline: ” ‘Madman’ Eyed in Norway Massacre”

“(CNN) — As Norway struggles to come to terms with its greatest loss of life in decades, all eyes are on the man charged in the explosion in central Oslo and the deadly shooting rampage at a youth camp.

While police have not officially named him, Norwegian television and newspaper reports have identified the suspect as 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik, of Norwegian origin.

A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway’s multi-cultural society.”

http://www.foxnews.com/

Midori

July 23rd, 2011
9:14 am

Morning Normal :)

Morning Jefferson :)

taking to the hiking trails. have a good day :)

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2011
9:38 am

Can we preemptively ban Paul from this thread?

@@

July 23rd, 2011
9:44 am

Out of the Way, Please, Mr. President

Peggy Noonan’s always been too nice.

He should keep his face off TV.

I’ve been saying that for years.

Happy hooking, jay!

Real Scooter

July 23rd, 2011
9:45 am

Can we preemptively ban Paul from this thread?

I hope so because he can ban the rest of us RW. :???:

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
9:45 am

Scout,
OH NO! Not another ultra conservative right wing Christian who murders innocents in the name of the Prince of Peace. Who’d a thunk it?

All religion should be banned. You can worship God without the cults.

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
9:47 am

@@,
The Patriot Post? Really? Wow, just wow.

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
9:48 am

Hi Midori! Keep hydrated!

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2011
9:56 am

Amazing how Peggy Noonan can go from the voice of reason to our lefties to a “wow, just wow” source of derision just because of who chose to reprint her words.

Aquagirl

July 23rd, 2011
9:57 am

Scout, that’s a lot of tap dancing to avoid the fact Christian fundamentalism produces homicidal nutcases, just like Islamic fundamentalism.

Got tickets for the sold-out ATL Beat game tonight, I’ll be spending $ 3.50 per drink to keep hydrated but it’ll be worth it. Woohoo!

@@

July 23rd, 2011
10:01 am

Normal:

Peggy Noonan AT “The Patriot Post”. I could’ve gone to WSJ for the same column. I have a feeling they wouldn’t be acceptable to you either.

Yep! Peggy Noonan who once said Dan Rather was the best boss she ever had.

THAT Peggy Noonan.

@@

July 23rd, 2011
10:12 am

CSMonitor, Normal? What Obama said in his 30-minute primal scream at the GOP

Obama said that he had put forward a package that would significantly cut deficits and debt in a way that does not raise individual tax rates. It is compatible, an exasperated Obama said, with the no-tax pledge that “a whole bunch of these folks signed on to, because we were mindful that they had boxed themselves in.”

No mention of his own political base? They’ve been boxin’ HIS ears off.

Obama also faces pressure from his own political base, which has expressed frustration that he seems to be doing all the compromising – see cuts to entitlement programs – while the Republicans insist on sticking to their “no new taxes” mantra.

md

July 23rd, 2011
10:14 am

IMHO, Peggy has a point………Obama isn’t helping arrive at compromise by going on the TV frequently to deride the other side……that isn’t Statesmanship…….that’s campaigning……….

JamVet

July 23rd, 2011
10:15 am

Dance, Scout, dance!

Own him, he’s one of yours – “I know of many hundred occasions where non-Muslims have been robbed, beaten up and harassed by Islamic gangs,”

Just another heavily armed, hate-filled member of the Christian Taliban.

Normal, here’s another old angel song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIuYd0GzMjs

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
10:23 am

@@,
Said nothing about Peggy…just about the “PP”…which in my humble is exactly what it is.

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
10:27 am

md,
President Obama is doing his best to keep the public informed, unlike the GOP leadership. Yesterday he showed his frustration at what can only be called Republican stupidity.

If the economy fails, it will be on the GOP’s head…and they will pay come 2012.

Bottom line: You can have NO serious reduction of the Deficit without taxes. Anything else is just plain dope smoking.

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
10:28 am

Play nice, I’m going to a barbecue.

@@

July 23rd, 2011
10:41 am

Play nice

No matter who delivers it, I reject that sentiment. It’s so silly!

md

July 23rd, 2011
10:44 am

“Yesterday he showed his frustration at what can only be called Republican stupidity.”

My point exactly……..Statesmen never show their emotions……….it’s high road all the time.

Two sides on the low road……..oh joy.

@@

July 23rd, 2011
10:50 am

md:

The more they talk, the more they contradict their earlier statements.

James S.

July 23rd, 2011
10:56 am

Obama couldn’t do a deal becasue he gave into the demands of his own party. What a wuss!

Obama is acting like a child who is not getting his way. The republicans are busy negotiating, offering proposals, passing real options and the democrats are fear mongering and pouting but they have no real solution, nothing on the table.

History will judge Obama as a failed president who was captive to his party, and who negotiated unfairly.

carlosgvv

July 23rd, 2011
10:57 am

Aqualgirl

For every Christian fundamentalist nut-case, there are at least a thousand Islamic funtamentalist nut-cases. You remind me of the black teacher who told her class “teenage pregnacies occur in every level of society”. When someone asked her if they occured at the same rate at every level, they were rewarded with a cold hard stare.

@@

July 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

Norway’s Progress Party (Norway’s political right) has a lot in common with our GOP. But…

The Progressive Party also has a lot in common with our Democrats…they want to invest more of Norway’s oil wealth in infrastructure (particularly roads, broadband capacity, hospitals, schools and nursing homes) and the welfare state. So it’s a wash in my opinion.

The guy was simply a nutjob.

@@

July 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

Oops…The Progress Party, not Progressive Party.

Soothsayer

July 23rd, 2011
11:02 am

An Economy Destroyed: The Enemy Is Washington

Recently, the bond rating agencies that gave junk derivatives triple-A ratings threatened to downgrade US Treasury bonds if the White House and Congress did not reach a deficit reduction deal and debt ceiling increase.The downgrade threat is not credible, and neither is the default threat. Both are make-believe crises that are being hyped in order to force cutbacks in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

There is no budget focus on the illegal wars and military occupations that the US government has underway in at least six countries or the 66-year old US occupations of Japan and Germany and the ring of military bases being constructed around Russia.

The total military/security budget is in the vicinity of $1.1-$1.2 trillion, or 70% -75% of the federal budget deficit.

In contrast, Social Security is solvent. Medicare expenditures are coming close to exceeding the 2.3% payroll tax that funds Medicare, but it is dishonest for politicians and pundits to blame the US budget deficit on “entitlement programs.”

The American people and their wants and needs are not represented in Washington. Washington serves powerful interest groups, such as the military/security complex, Wall Street and the banksters, agribusiness, the oil companies, the insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and the mining and timber industries.

It’s amazing to me that the Right cannot accept the last paragraph and, instead, continuously vote for those who do not represent them.

JamVet

July 23rd, 2011
11:03 am

carlos, true.

But only because we took the Religious Reich’s completely corrupted “Christian” stranglehold of power away from them. Granted it took the better part of three centuries, but that is the only reason…

Which explains why they are still so p*ssed off.at non-Christians…

Thomas

July 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

Quite a zinger there Mr. Sooth- I assume by reading and believing the second paragraph that you believe that the current President is in command of a number of illegal wars.

BADA BING

July 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

michelle o’s Fabulous Fashion @ Fly Fishin Fun @ Diet Tips
That guy with you that always has his pants too low….Crack Spackle! Apply liberally
Go sleeveless with your fishing vest, and bare those manly arms Remember your sunscreen, be SPFabulous. Don’t get too drk, you don’t want to look Mexican, do you
Do those waders make you look fat, or it just your ass? Do your squats and get those buns of steel
Don’t lose your paddle in the rapids. It could be useful for manuvering around boulders and recovering bodies
Are you always losing fishing equipment? Take a friend from 5 Points with you, all those hooks and loops in his face can come in handy
That khaki fishing hat and matching vest…..it doesn’t look as good as you think. LOSE IT and go with a splash of color. Accessorize!!
Don’t be boring with your eyewear. Red frames by Dior really brighten up your face and adds pizzaz
Lose the yellow raft and go with Hot Pink. It is easier for the rescue helicopters to find you
Don’t drink and fish, it could be deadly. Just kidding!!!! It’s fishing, you have to drink!!!!!!

@@

July 23rd, 2011
11:14 am

How Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel reached the end of the honeymoon

Just two months into office, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel faces criticism from labor and teacher unions, the city’s inspector general, and the local media. Why was the honeymoon so short?

In his opening salvos, Emanuel has taken the offense against the city’s teacher and labor unions. In June, the Chicago Board of Education – under his purview – axed a 4 percent pay raise for the city’s teachers, arguing that union members had received two similar raises since 2003 while their students “got the shaft.” The city’s public school system is saddled with a $724 million deficit, Emanuel says.

Emanuel is also threatening the city’s labor unions with a 625 job cuts unless they agree to work changes that he says will save the city $11 million by the end of the year.

I wonder why Rahm’s “strong-arm tactics” aren’t receiving the MSM scrutiny. Were he a Republican mayor or governor, they’d be all over him.

Oddly enough, I always liked Rahm. He had potential.

Soothsayer

July 23rd, 2011
11:15 am

“I assume by reading and believing the second paragraph that you believe that the current President is in command of a number of illegal wars.”

Barack Obama is no less a puppet of those named in the last paragraph (of the post) than was George W Bush.

Aquagirl

July 23rd, 2011
11:16 am

carlos, join scout’s Tapdance Academy. “Those fundamentalists produce MORE nutjobs, why worry about the Christian ones?” is lame. Especially if you’ve ever raised a kid and recognize the childish tactic of misdirection when your own behavior is under scrutiny. Sell that tripe to someone willing to argue with a preschooler.

A Face in the Crowd

July 23rd, 2011
11:18 am

Even as the families of Norway grieve the senseless and horrible loss of so many of their children, it looks like our own fanatics are losing no time in capitalizing on this tragedy to further their own hateful ends. There is an almost gleeful response to the information that this murderer has been identified as a so-called Christian. Have we really sunk to such a level of insensitivity to the sufferings of others?

md

July 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

“The city’s public school system is saddled with a $724 million deficit, Emanuel says.”

It’s catch 22…….folks are gonna bitch if their salaries are cut and their gonna bitch if their property taxes are raised instead……..

In the end, folks just don’t want to pay for the things they want………..

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
11:25 am

Oh geez, I don’t think we’re gonna need Paul to shut this one down. We hit 2404 posts on that thread before it got shut down. From some of the posts here, we won’t make it to 240.

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
11:26 am

In the end, folks just don’t want to pay for the things they want………..

Yep!!

@@

July 23rd, 2011
11:29 am

In the end, folks just don’t want to pay for the things they want

In my personal life, each purchase is preceded by the question…”Do I really need this, or am I fulfilling a temporary desire?”

Nine times out of ten, I’ll pass on the desired object unless, of course, I can get it at a bargain basement price. 50% off, nahhh, it was already marked up too high. 75-80% off? It’s an occasional go.

md

July 23rd, 2011
11:34 am

@@,

The problem with today’s society boils down to wants vs needs……..too many can no longer distinguish the difference. And some that can, are just bad money managers………

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

Well, it don’t look like much of a lake to me. Maybe some minnows, but nothing real big. But I guess Bookman’s got to have someplace to spend the half-year of vacation he gets every year.

Anyhow, I won’t have to check his blog much next week. I figure Paul will be on here in a couple hours and that will end it. Paul’s got the button you push to end the blog.

Have a good weekend everybody.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
11:43 am

Have fun. You deserve a break.

carlosgvv

July 23rd, 2011
11:44 am

Aquagirl

What you call “tripe” I call common sense. There will always be religious extremests. That does not mean they will equally be Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu. In today’s world, it is the Islamic fundamentalists who are, far and away, causing the most trouble. If you want to be in denial and brush this aside in the name of political correctness, that is your problem. I will continue to see things as they really are and not foolishly and childishly ignore what I don’t like and hope it will go away.

@@

July 23rd, 2011
11:45 am

While Boehner has to worry about his right flank, Obama has to worry about his left, according to a CNN/ORC International Poll released Friday. It found that Obama’s approval rating had slipped to 45 percent, down 3 percentage points from June. His 54 percent disapproval level contains “signs of a stirring discontent on the left,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said in a statement.

“Thirty-eight percent say they disapprove because President Obama has been too liberal, but 13 percent say they disapprove of Obama because he has not been liberal enough – nearly double what it was in May, when the question was last asked, and the first time that number has hit double digits in Obama’s presidency,” Keating said.–CSMonitor

There’s something reassuring in those numbers—-the uber-doober loony left is still a minority. They should form their own party and wither away. This country would be better off without ‘em.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
11:52 am

Soothsayer

July 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
I agree but you left one of the biggest benefactors of government largess off the list. No list of corporate welefare recipients is complete without mentioning labor unions.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
12:12 pm

Normal

July 23rd, 2011
10:27 am

Bottom line: You can have NO serious reduction of the Deficit without taxes. Anything else is just plain dope smoking.

The deficit could be cut in half by returning spending to the level of George Bush with no tax increase.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
12:15 pm

If no agreement is reached on the budget, Cap, Cut, and Balance will be in effect.

Paulo977

July 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm

Jay

You are so lucky

Do enjo……………y !!!

Cornbreesha

July 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm

“…here’s where I’ll be. Oh, and you’re going to need a helicopter or a whitewater raft to get there.”

Good one Jay, LOL. That’s the pay fishing lake off Camp Creek Parkway (with a mountain photoshopped in the background). The only helicopter you’ll see if you look up is the WSB SkyCopter.

Midori

July 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

Peggy Noonan is/was a “voice of reason”?????

Midori

July 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm

OMG!!!!

Amy Winehouse is dead!!

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

Mighty Righty said, If no agreement is reached on the budget, Cap, Cut, and Balance will be in effect.

Say what? “Cut, Crap and Balance” is as unlikely as you getting an invitation to Jay’s fishing trip. Cut, Crap and Balance will go no where in the Senate. And even if he did make it through, Obama will veto it. CCB is DOA.

Midori

July 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm

Eyes – Harry Reid said the Senate isn’t even going to entertain that piece of crap.

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm

Midori,

Amy Winehouse? I didn’t know much about her. But it seems that she had plenty of issues.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

Let me explain what happens if no agreement is reached. Unless an agreement is reached, the government cannot borrow money. If they can’t borrow, now read carefully, they have to live within their income. Which means they will have their expenses, cut, and capped and they will be living with a balanced budget. Get it? When income and expenses are equal, that is a balanced budget.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm

Midori

July 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm
Peggy Noonan is/was a “voice of reason”?????

I don’t know about reason, but she is definitely a liberal columnist.

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm

Mighty,

You are mighty wrong. Cut, Crap and Balanced was nothing more than an attempt by the Republican controlled House to make a symbolic “statement”. There was no substance and no CHANCE of it ever clearing the Senate. A real chance at a solution is being blown away by Boehner and his cohorts.

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

That cut-cap-balance stuff isn’t worth a roll of charmin wiping a baboon’s ass. Only an imbecile would want to handcuff the government to a set spending amount when one party wants to continually cut the amount of income coming into the government. Why not just pick up arms and overthrow the government? It would be much faster and a lot less painful for many.

According to the 14th Amendment, “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.” That, in plain language, would seem to suggest that any and all debt already authorized by Congress can’t be questioned when it comes to being paid or not. Therefore, any and all spending that’s been authorized in this years budget has to be paid, whether it requires more borrowing or not.

Common sense would dictate that maybe the US join the rest of the world and just eliminate the damned debt ceiling anyway. That way, our credit ratings are not subject to being lowered because one half of one third of the government wants to stage their version of “Custer’s Last Stand” trying to decimate the federal budget.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm

You copied my statement but you choose to not understand. I will repeat, IF NO AGREEMENT IS REACHED, the government will be forced to live hand to mouth. If they can’t borow, then cut, cap and balance is what’s left.

willie lynch

July 23rd, 2011
1:21 pm

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm
You are confusing debt with descretonary spending. If the 14th amendment can be used, Obama can’t spend that money until the governments income is used up. Whether of not the 14th amendment is applicable is yet to be determined, in any case it still does not apply to every day operations of the government. The fact is, the government has enough revenue to pay interest on the debt, and our military. The Social security trust fund consists of “negotiable bonds” which even at a discount would cover social security payments for 15 to 20 years. Use of the 14th amendment is not the solution you think it is.

Thulsa Doom

July 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm

In the end, folks just don’t want to pay for the things they want………..md

Probably the sinlge wisest statement made on this blog this year. A statement also that should be self evident but is not. And as a corollary to that statement I’ll add this. The problem with any universal social programs- especially the ones where people draw more than what they pay in or where people draw on something completely at the expense of taxpayers- such as medicaid, food stamps, etc. is that sooner or later those people begin to view those benefits as a right.

Thulsa Doom

July 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm

Gorgeous view of where Jay is at. Looks kinda arid though. I’m guessing he is in Arizona or New Mexico. If so gotta be a scorcher there.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
1:37 pm

Harry Truman said, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.” Harry Reid said “When I can’t stand the heat, I go on vacation.”

Harry Truman said, “The buck stops here.” Barack Obama said, “Where’s my teleprompter?”

Kentucky Jacket

July 23rd, 2011
1:41 pm

I usually don’t get to post, but since I’m working on Saturday, I’m a little more free than normal to blog.

Just a quick weigh in…

1) Norway suspect –
I’ll be first in line to stand and condemn the actions. I’ll also say that the defense of Christianity came before anyone on the blog threw out the attacks, but I think a few points need to be clear…First of all, “posting on Christian fundamentalist websites” does not make one a Christian. Have people murdered in the name of Christianity? Sure. Does that mean they were Christians? Not so. I know there are those who have bombed abortion clinics (not all claiming to be Christians), and Timothy MCVeigh (who was not a professing Christian when he performed his heinous(spelling?) acts, and the crusades…are there any big ones that I’m missing that are associated with Christianity? Some on here make it sound like half of the murder rate throughout time has been by Christians. There have been people who claim to be a part of all religions who have committed acts of violence, as there have been white, black, arab, asian, etc. As have there been liberal and conservative. As have there been atheist and agnostic. The entire group cannot be defined by the extremes…if you want to understand a faith, look at what it teaches, not by how followers who are flawed far from the tenants act.

2) Debt ceiling debate.
Tax rates, Tax rates, Tax rates…I agree that tax rates in some areas will need to be increased along with spending cuts. But tax cuts vs. tax increases are not black and white. Tax cuts need to be done as Reagan did, that they intentionally create economic activity, that in turn increases the tax base, that in turn creates more revenue at a lower rate. At the same time, tax increases need to be done in such a way that they impact the economy the least, i.e., that they don’t shrink the tax base resulting in lower revenue at a higher rate. But there is something that has been said a lot on this blog, or at least implied, that I think needs to be cleared up. The government is not “creating jobs” with lower tax rates. It is the government backing off of the free market that creates the jobs. While there are many necessary government controls on the economy, all inhibit the invisible hand. The more the government interferes with the free market, the less efficient it is.

And Jay, enjoy the fishing trip

!!!

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm

Mighty Righty

Has Congress already authorized spending through the end of the fiscal year? If the government was not already deficit spending, we wouldn’t have to worry about what will and what won’t get paid right? Last time I checked, deficit spending is what increased the annual debt. I don’t see where it matters on discretionary or mandatory spending. If the government is deficit spending, it increases the debt. And, in passing the continuing resolutions, Congress in effect passed deficit spending, which was signed by the president.

I think the whole questioning of the 14th is whether Obama can use that to make up the differences in the amount the government takes in versus what the budget calls for spending. Congress has already authorized that spending, whether it’s discretionary or not.

Kentucky Jacket

July 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm

But Brosephus, let me ask you this (and I am asking, becuase I do not know the answer),
How did we get here? Are we at our debt limit because the givernemnt’s revenues did not come in as high as expected? Or did we spend withuot regard for how we would pay for it?

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm

The Tea Party fringe of the Republican Party is driving the car these days, and believes it is “OK” not to raise the debt ceiling. The Tea Party fringe is instructing the GOP that it is OK to say “no” to compromise of any sort. The Tea Party fringe of the GOP is the vocal majority and the old-guard conservatives are now the new “silent minority”. While 83% of Democrats and 67% of Independents have stated that compromise (including an increase in taxes) is necessary, the Tea Party fringe is telling the GOP is under the delusion that “standing firm” is “principled”. That “stand firm” stance is nothing but a selfish, myopic stubborn path to destroying not just the American economy, but America itself.

Kentucky Jacket

July 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm

So, eyeehaveit, what is the solution? Neither can we continue to deficit spend as we are without destroying America. I’m not sure where the line in the sand should be drawn, but where is the line you draw?

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm

That’s it for me. I’m going out back to do some yard work.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm

July 20, 2011

Most American voters oppose raising the national debt limit, and think talk of missed Social Security checks is just a scare tactic. Voters are optimistic that a debt deal will be made soon, and if it isn’t they will blame both Republicans and Democrats.

Voters were asked to imagine being a lawmaker in Congress who had to cast an up-or-down vote on raising the debt ceiling. The poll found 35 percent would vote in favor of increasing the limit, while 60 percent would vote against it.

Most Tea Partiers (81 percent), Republicans (76 percent) and independents (63 percent) would vote against raising the limit. Views among Democrats are more evenly divided: 50 percent would raise it and 44 percent wouldn’t.

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm

Kentucky,

There is a plan on the table right now. Spending cuts beyond the Repubs wildest dreams. Along with those spending cuts is an increase of taxes on the rich. It is a 3-1 deal when “normal” conservatives look at it. But, Boehner, Cantor et al will not take the deal, because it includes the taxes, thus, we are at the precipice.

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm

KJ

We got here through both. We got here because we have a government that can and does spend like there’s no tomorrow. Some spending is justified, and some is not. We haven’t seen any type of sunsetting applied on any unnecessary expenditures. I’m not one that believes in the whole “big government”/”small government” ideals. I want effective government. I want government that does the things it’s supposed to do in the most efficient manner possible while staying out of the things it should not be involved in. There’s no way to avoid increased spending when we have an ever increasing population. What we should instead focus on is making sure the spending is only where it should be, and not on unnecessary stuff.

On the revenue side, we have a governing ideology that believes that tax cuts spur growth. If we had rates as high as we did in the 1950’s, that might and probably would work. However, with rates where they are now along with the plethora of deductions available, a rate cut does not have the same effect anymore as it did in the 70’s and 80’s. Yet we have those who still believe there’s more turbo boost in the empty nitrous tanks. Instead of focusing on tax rates, we should be focusing on education and training to boost the number of people employed and therefore, increasing the tax base. Creating jobs and broadening the base will increase tax revenues. At this point, I don’t see where cutting taxes will have any effect on creating jobs now.

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

Normal:

“All religion should be banned. You can worship God without the cults.”

The Constitution prohibits the first sentence.

You are correct regarding the second.

Plus keep in mind:

Religion is man’s attempt to reach out to God. It doesn’t work.

Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man. It works.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
Mighty Righty

I guess you don’t know there is no budget. The Democrat controlled house and senate never passed a budget. This is the first time in history as I know it there has not been a budget.

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

Where are the news reports and video of “Christian fundamentalists” in cities all over the world demonstrating and waving their signs and placards in support of this fiend ?

JamVet

July 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm

Where are the news reports and video of “Christian fundamentalists” in cities all over the world demonstrating and waving their signs and placards in support of against this fiend ?

No real difference between them and the “silent” Muslims who refuse to condemn THEIR murdering pigs…

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

MR

And I guess you forgot about the continuing resolutions that passed after all the bitching about spending. The government has an operating budget through 1 October. I’m guessing you forgot about the whole government shutdown that was averted this past spring? I didn’t because I was facing going to work and not knowing whether I’d get paid or not.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
2:11 pm

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm
You are apparently the only person out of 300 million people who reside in this country who have seen the “Democrat Deficit Reduction” plan. Please explain it to the rest of us who have never seen a bill.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
2:15 pm

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

Look if it makes you feel better to think there is a budget it’s okay with me.

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm

This is good !

” …………….on the day that President Obama signs a paper ‘certifying’ that no harm will come to the military when repeal is implemented, he will own the SAN FRANCISCO MILITARY that he has created,”

Kentucky Jacket

July 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm

Eyes and Brocephus,

Thanks for the interesting comments.

You know, in today’s sound bite society, I think too many times liberals hear “tax cuts” and stop reading. And I think conservatives too many times hear “tax increases” and stop reading. As you eluded too, the revenue side is about optimizing the tax base and rate, and the spending side is about necessity and efficiency.

This was refreshing and hope inspiring. Most Americans are closer to agreement than they realize.

There will always be disagreements on what is necessary, and what optimizes the rate. But it’s not as “us vs. them” as the media sensationalizes it to be.

Kentucky Jacket

July 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm

JamVet

Show me the report that says he did this in the name of Jesus and you will

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm

JamVet :

“No real difference between them and the “silent” Muslims who refuse to condemn THEIR murdering pigs…”

But a BIG Difference between them and the “outspoken” Muslims who embrace THEIR mudering pigs …”

Every Christian pulpit in the world will condemn this satanic fiend tomorrow.

Not so Muslim clerics if he had been one of theirs.

Thanks for making my point.

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm

HA ! HA ! In the Corps, if the Gunny said no ……….. it meant NO !

Headline: “Air Force Clarifies Dress Code, Grooming Standards”

“It was so confusing … it was so outdated. If you were out of regulation, people didn’t say anything because ‘you can’t prove that.’ ”

“No longer up for debate, for example, is spandex during physical training. Senior Airman Joyce Painter, 23, a calibrations technician at Ramstein Air Base said the old guidance was unclear, with confusion on whether spandex was allowed at all or whether it could be Capri-style or to the ankles.”

http://www.military.com/news/article/af-clarifies-dress-code-grooming-standards.html?col=1186032325324

P.S.

THIS SHOULD GET EVEN FUNNIER WHEN “DO ASS, DO TAIL” KICKS IN.

Tundra Dude

July 23rd, 2011
2:26 pm

Brosephus wrote, in part:

Common sense would dictate that maybe the US join the rest of the world and just eliminate the damned debt ceiling anyway.

Right.. The “debt ceiling” is like a retractable roof at a stadium, to be opened/closed when deemed necessary/convenient.

Why is the R-Hypocrite party behaving like debt ceiling Virgins, when their track record might suggest they’re already debt ceiling Hoes….???

JamVet

July 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm

Too bad that repulsive Falwell is dead, huh? He could have exalted his Norwegian brother in Christ and explained how this is actually the murdered people’s fault..

And as always, you gutless sheep would secretly agree with his every piggish statement…

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm

Look if it makes you feel better to think there is a budget it’s okay with me.

It’s quite obvious that you’re attempting to tackle something outside your area of knowledge. If I were you, I’d stay inside the ropes as to embarass myself as little as possible.

From the Washington Post on 4/12/11:

Lawmakers and the White House have come to an agreement on the federal budget for fiscal 2011. The bill, which contains roughly $38 billion in cuts, means slashes in spending for a number of government departments and agencies.

From the Christian Science Monitor on 4/9/11:

At literally the 11th hour Friday night, House, Senate, and Obama administration avoided a government shutdown and came to agreement on a budget for the rest of the fiscal year that nobody loves but that all were willing to live with.

From Fox News on 4/12/11:

The following is a summary of the budget bill for the rest of fiscal year 2011, as released by the House Appropriations Committee:

Overall Spending Limit: The final CR will include a total of $1.049 trillion in funding, a nearly $40 billion reduction from last year’s (fiscal year 2010) levels. This includes the $12 billion in reductions previously approved by Congress and signed into law under the previous three continuing resolutions, as well as nearly $28 billion in additional new spending cuts.

It is not just me that KNOWS that there is a budget for this year. There’s only people like you who don’t know what in the hell they’re talking about and feed off of non-factual soundbites and end up making an ass of themselves.

1811/0311

July 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

JamVet:

You’re a sick puppy to think that any true Christian (and there are many false ones) would support what this satanic individual did.

But then you are probably a liberal, prog., lock-nut so that explains your thought process.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm

RON PAUL, YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!

Obama 41%, Ron Paul 37%

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JamVet

July 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm

I just call out Christian scum when I see them. You don’t – too close to home. Your choice.

Mighty Righty

July 23rd, 2011
2:39 pm

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
My apologies. I should have said the Democrat House never passed a budget.

Brosephus

July 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm

MR

On that talking point, you are correct to a point. They never passed a FY 2011 budget would be right. However, that point became moot when the GOP passed their final continuing resolution in April. If there were no federal budget, there would be very limited federal government operations going on right now.

Kentucky Jacket

July 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm

JamVet

Are Christians perfect? No. But you are classifying an entire religion into the realm of a bomber who has not even been shown to be a Christian. Please cite your link to the bomber being a Christian, and we can carry this conversation further.

Thulsa Doom

July 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm

1811,

You gotta wonder what kinda of a fool would lump this nut into the Christian fold.

Thulsa Doom

July 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm

Too bad that repulsive Falwell is dead, huh? He could have exalted his Norwegian brother in Christ and explained how this is actually the murdered people’s fault..

Hyperbole, rhetoric, and a good dose of stupidity all add up to one a left wing crazy calling out a right wing crazy. It doesn’t get any funnier than that.

Thulsa Doom

July 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm

Kentucky Jacket,

I would also like to know the name of the Christian church that this alleged Christian madman attended. I seriously doubt the man did attend church on a regular basis. But you can’t tell that to a person classless enough and crass enough to try and exploit this tragedly for the purpose of politics. It doesn’t get any sicker than that.

JamVet

July 23rd, 2011
3:04 pm

You guppies are great fun to watch as you desperately feign that this murdering POS was NOT a hyper-right wing, Christian scumbag who was enraged by multi-culturalism.

Like I said, WAY too close to home for you willfully ignorant bigot lovers and toadies for Jerry.

But your dance is hysterical to watch…