Is deal imminent? Did someone blink?
Rumors are that a deal’s a cookin’.
Rumors are it’s for $3 trillion in spending cuts, with revenue increases to be adopted later. Or to be adopted now. Or maybe not adopted at all.
As the Washington Post reports, that latter possibility has Senate Democrats up in arms:
After what was described as a rambunctious hour-long meeting with Senate Democrats, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced that his caucus opposes what he called the “agreement, potential agreement” because the outlines so far do not include sufficient guarantees of increased tax revenues.
“There’s no agreement. They’re working toward an agreement,” he said, adding that he received a call from a White House official during the meeting that confirmed the president had not reached a final agreement with Boehner.
The meeting included a presentation by White House Budget Director Jacob Lew, who was pilloried by Democrats who contended that Obama was giving away deep cuts to entitlements without any agreement on taxes. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), while declining to address the specifics of Lew’s talks, said she opposed the White House direction and instead would continue to support the option offered by Reid and McConnell — a backup plan to raise the debt ceiling in three phases over more than a year.
Reid said his caucus would oppose any plan that did not include increased tax revenue, questioning whether Obama had gone back on his pledge to include “balance” in the final deal.
“The president always talked about balance, that there had to be some fairness in this, that this can’t be all cuts,” Reid said. “There has to be a balance. There has to be some revenue and cuts. My caucus agrees with that. I hope that the president sticks with that. I’m confident that he will.”
I wish I could say that I was as confident as Reid claims to be.
On the other hand, Grover Norquist has made an interesting statement to the Post editorial board, stating point blank that a deal allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would not be considered a tax increase and thus not in violation of the pledge taken by so many Republicans.
“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase,” he said.
So does it violate the pledge?
“We wouldn’t hold it that way.”
The Post has released an audiotape of the discussion, just to ensure that there’s no doubt about what Norquist said. And there isn’t.
Later, though, Americans for Tax Reform did a moonwalk on those statements:
“ATR opposes all tax increases on the American people. Any failure to extend or make permanent the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, in whole or in part, would clearly increase taxes on the American people. It is a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge to trade temporary tax reductions for permanent tax hikes.”
So who the hell knows?
I do know I’m going fishing next week and will be totally out of touch with the real world beginning Saturday. When we come off the river July 30, I guess we’ll see what’s left standing.
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:08 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Didn’t you know? Along with Joe Mama Fred also holds the distinction of a Phd in knowitallogy. And if you disagree with him he goes straight into his intelligent discourse of namecalling.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:10 pm
“What’s the corporate tax rate in China.”
Depends on who and how much you bribe.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:10 pm
Sink, here’s a clue. Not all regulation is good, much is poorly worded and some outdated. Not all regulation is bad. Regulations are needed. Often technology surpasses regulation and new regulation needed. So let’s stop the silly arguments about getting rid of all regulation and start working on smart regulation that is effective.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
7:11 pm
“Who are you to call this great man a liar?”
Odd, I didn’t know Marcus was the second coming of Christ. Now I know.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:11 pm
FRED…
I thought you said you read what I write… make ‘em all the time…some, as Doggone will attest, have been spectacular!
THULSA
He’s a lying, cheating, hypocrite and I don’t like him…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
July 21st, 2011
7:12 pm
I think they’ll cut a scaled down short term deal with dollar for dollar cuts to the raise in a debt ceiling limit no tax increase but with a commitment for tax reform negotiations. Any other predictions?
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:14 pm
Doggone/GA,
I never claimed the man was perfect or even near perfect. He is a great man in my opinion who has accomplished incredible things and who has given immensely in terms of charity. And then there is you….
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
7:16 pm
“He is a great man in my opinion who has accomplished incredible things and who has given immensely in terms of charity”
And what about all of that makes him incapable of telling lies?
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:16 pm
Hey Keep Up, please try.
We’re discussing FEDERAL regs here. You know, like Hopey/Changey’s job killers.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:16 pm
Doggone
Well, Cuzzin JC don’t think too highly of him…
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:16 pm
Fred,
The BP oil spill? Yes. I have a condo on the beach in Gulf Shores so I have personal first hand experience with it. And your point? What is it? That we should completely stop drilling for all and we can all then walk to work? Or is it a point about BP? Did BP not set aside an enormous compensation fund?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:16 pm
And then there is you….
Ohh… is this where you stay above the intelligent discourse of namecalling, Doom?
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:17 pm
keep up the good fight,
And what name did I call her?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:17 pm
Why is everyone but me ignoring Youmelt……….. He/she has brought up some very salient points.
josef Apropos of nothing, where did the term red headed step child originate? I use it all the time and have no clue. Since YOU are the linguistic expert, I figured you may know……..
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:17 pm
Thulsa:
“Along with Joe Mama Fred also holds the distinction of a Phd in knowitallogy.”
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:18 pm
Doggone/GA,
And you can prove that he is lying? Please provide your evidence.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
7:19 pm
“And you can prove that he is lying? Please provide your evidence”
I already did
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:19 pm
“let’s stop the silly arguments about getting rid of all regulation”
Who advocated that, Keep?
Names?
Didn’t think so.
Typical lib ilk.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:19 pm
THULSA
He’s a lying, cheating, hypocrite and I don’t like him…
So josef, don’t hold back. What are your REAL thoughts on Mr. Marcus? How about Mr. Blank? (Careful now, I’m a Falcons fan since he bought the team lol).
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 21st, 2011
7:19 pm
He’s a lying, cheating, hypocrite and I don’t like him…
Well, looks like josef got a belly full of green apples a couple days ago. He was all over me last night and now he’s taking out after other people. Never knew a school teacher could be so mad.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:20 pm
Sink, your reference to Lester Snow, a California official was about federal regulation? Otay.
So now your argument is that federal regulations harm business but state regulations do not? You seem to be spinning out of control.
1811/0311
July 21st, 2011
7:21 pm
This would be halarious if it weren’t so pathetic. We just can’t have any Islamic terrorists out there now can we?
Go ahead libs. ………………. watch the DHS video but you might have nightmares tonight !
HEADLINE: “DHS Video Characterizes White Americans as Most Likely Terrorists”
“Big Sis fear campaign continues”
“A new promotional video released by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes white middle class Americans as the most likely terrorists, as Big Sis continues its relentless drive to cement the myth that mad bombers are hiding around every corner, when in reality Americans are just as likely to be killed by lightning strikes or peanut allergies.
The video is part of Homeland Security’s $10 million dollar “See Something, Say Something” program that encourages Americans to report “suspicious activity,” which in every case throughout history has been a trait of oppressive, dictatorial regimes.
In the course of the 10 minute clip, a myriad of different behaviors are characterized as terrorism, including opposing surveillance, using a video camera, talking to police officers, wearing hoodies, driving vans, writing on a piece of paper, and using a cell phone recording application.
Despite encouraging viewers not to pay attention to a person’s race in determining whether or not they may be a terrorist, almost all of the scenarios in the clip proceed to portray white people as the most likely terrorists. Bizarrely, nearly every single one of the “patriotic” Americans who reports on their fellow citizen is either black, Asian or Arab. Imagine if the video had portrayed every terrorist as an Arab and every patriotic snoop as white, there’d be an outcry and rightly so, but this strange reversal must have been deliberate on the part of the DHS, but why? Is this merely political correctness taken to the extreme or is something deeper at work?”
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-video-characterizes-white-americans-as-most-likely-terrorists/
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:21 pm
“Hey Keep Up, please try.”
Ok, now THAT was funny, you have to admit.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:21 pm
FRED…
It’s like wood’s colt…where did the red hair on that young ‘un come from…s/he a “step child?” Another one I grew up hearing was, Mama’s Baby and Daddy’s Maybe…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:22 pm
Sink….here’s your chance. Why dont you state your complete proposition about regulation so we know where to start and you dont have to spin so much when you run into dead ends.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:25 pm
REDNECK
I don’t like you. Don’t use my name in your Stepin Fetchit shtick…I’m not mad, just insulted..
FRED
I won’t go into it here, but I don’t have the personal/ethnic (tribal) animosity toward him that I do Marcus…
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:26 pm
Fred,
Perhaps josef has had some personal experience about the man that he knows that we are not privy to. I dunno.
I do know that the efforts of this man has produced prosperity and jobs for tens of thousands of people, a lot of regular joe schmoe sixpacks that started at home depot later became millionaires- I met one personally when I was a stockbroker who started at the bottom and eventually became just a store manager. He was worth over 3 million. As I said his charitable giving is incredible. I’m sure he is not a perfect man by any means but the sheer volume of good things and benefit that this man has done for people, his employees, the wealth he has created which is in the 401k of many an average joe, and for this city far outweighs whatever bad he may have done.
poison pen
July 21st, 2011
7:27 pm
” I do know I’m going fishing next week and will be totally out of touch with the real world beginning Saturday”
Jay, Do you really call the bloggers on here the ” real World”
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:28 pm
keep up the good fight,
Still waiting on your proof that I called doggone a name…..
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:29 pm
“According to new jobs figures, Wisconsin created 12,900 new private-sector jobs in June, almost as many as the 18,000 new jobs created nationwide last month. This represents the largest one-month gain of private-sector jobs in Wisconsin since 2003, according to the state Department of Workforce Development.”
What? Can’t be! The Guv there is Hitler!
Don’t believe me? Just ask SEIU, Fred, and Keep.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:29 pm
poison pen,
Hilarious. We aren’t really the real world of course. That would be the housewives of orange county.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:29 pm
Did BP not set aside an enormous compensation fund?
Why didn’t they use the same drilling procedures and fail safes that they do off THEIR shores?
What’s your point? Besides you mook, as I said earlier, let’s drill the rest of the world’s oil first and we will still have ours when it’s depleted. I think the time limit for the middle east is less than 20 years now. Meanwhile, the Permian Basin is STILL teaming with oil. As are our off coast Gulf Coast “reserves.”
Are you really that dense and uneducated? Have you never wondered why, even when the Republicans controlled the Presidency and both houses drilling didn’t just go batsh*t? Why we still remained “dependent” on “foreign oil?”
Have you EVER tried to think strategically?
Is there anything else I can help YOU with tonight Mr. Doom? I’m really hankering to play some Black Ops before the wife gets home, but I’ll hang around for you as well if needed. I hate to disappoint my minions…………
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:30 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Don’t go ticking them off with facts. Libs don’t like that.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:31 pm
Doom, sorry to ignore your foolishness but since you must demand attention, I never said that you did. I said that your post “and then there is you” is not any better than actual namecalling.
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
7:31 pm
A top Republican aide said that such an arrangement remained problematic for the party, even with anti-tax zealots like Grover Norquist acknowledging on Thursday that allowing the Bush rates to expire would not technically count as a tax increase.
waterstim
July 21st, 2011
7:32 pm
Why not? The Democrats lied through their teeth about the last supposed spending cuts. It turns out they were less than $1B when they said they were $25B. Selectively forget that, Jay?
Besides, they are not spending cuts. They are reducing the increase in spending. Big difference, liberal word mincers.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:34 pm
“So now your argument is that federal regulations harm business but state regulations do not?”
Nope.
Reading for comprehension is not a lib ilk strong suit it appears…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:35 pm
And yet the unemployment rate in WI climbed to 7.6% from 7.4% in June.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:36 pm
Sink, so far you are spining and dancing…. again, do you have a coherent position to state on regulations?
James S.
July 21st, 2011
7:39 pm
Reid says that there MUST be more taxes in the final deal. Sounds like he is as stubborn, instrasigent and single minded as the media has accused the republicans of being. I wonder how long the democrats would last if they did not have the media in their pockets?
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:40 pm
FRED
Let’s hope Sinkwich’s lib ilk aren’t Gulf Coast ilk… maybe he thought they were saying “poissons!”
buck@gon
July 21st, 2011
7:40 pm
Jay,
With Obama “ostensibly” running the country, you need to get enough fish to last for 18 months at least. Learn how to dry it, salt it or can it, so that you will have enough protein during the remainder of the Obama regime.
Just remember who has passed legislation and who has only complained about how bad things are. I don’t think that senator Reid or Chuck Shumer’s words on the floor of the senate today were much of an olive branch and hardly constituted the “working together” relationship that Obama has worked oh, oh so hard to foster, as the oh, oh so intelligent and great leader that he is. Looks like the Democrats are trying to alienate the people they say they want to work with.
That’s not wise, if working with someone is what you’re trying to do. It should be obvious by now that Democrats don’t want to work together. They want their plan, but THEY are so isolated and worried about the polls themselves that THEY can’t even pass a plan in their own senate, nor can Obama submit one on paper. THEY are feckless.
Back to the idea of working with people. You alienate people when you have given up working with them, and when you go to war with them. That’s what Democrats are doing–Jay, are you listening? –and that’s vile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lHm7pkPOL4&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvy5wVu78aw
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
7:41 pm
“Sounds like he is as stubborn, instrasigent and single minded as the media has accused the republicans of being”
Well, he can afford to be. He has an ace that the Repupblicans can’t use.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:41 pm
Fred,
There ya go again showing off that Phd in knowitallogy. I had no idea that you had all the strategic geopolitical thinking down and that you know exactly what is done everywhere and why in terms of strategic thinking, oil drilling, etc. I had no idea I was in the presence of such omniscience and that you were privy to how things really work and thus could enlighten the rest of us.
I’m just glad oil companies and international think tanks come to you to ask your advice on strategic thinking since you got it all figured out. Tanks for imparting your wisdom on us, your minions. And thanks for calling me a mook. I’ve never been called that before. Twas kinda funny.
Oh, and the middle east is not about to run out of oil in 20 years. You can’t possibly be that damn stupid. Or can you? Saudi Arabia has oil to last quite a long time as do Iran, Iraq, and other nations. UAE is about to run out as they are a very small country and that’s why they transformed their economy to being the playground of the middle east from a oil kingdom.
poison pen
July 21st, 2011
7:41 pm
Where is Getalife? He is always moaning about the repubs wanting to take his Medicare and today Obama is the one who is offering to cut Medicare.
He must be looking for Dr Kevorkian…. don’t tell him that Dr K is dead.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:42 pm
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:29 pm
What? Can’t be! The Guv there is Hitler!
Don’t believe me? Just ask SEIU, Fred, and Keep.
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Why would anyone ask me you silly deluded little man? I’ve never commented about the Governor of Wisconsin. i wouldn’t know him if he came up and pissed on my foot?
See, it’s ignorant posts like THAT which denude you of any possibility of credibility. I used to tell my left wing fanatics friends during the Bush days when they would post their fanatical drivel (on a NASCAR site of all things lol): Why are you posting lies? The truth would serve you better. I ask you the same question but I doubt I’ll get any different results.
It’s funny, (and it’s been a couple of months) but I’ve been called a “wingnut” and a “leftist” on the same blog, even on the same page lol. Got one fanatic on the left doesn’t like me because I don’t think lock step with them and some idiot on the right, like you, who doesn’t like me because I don’t think lockstep with them.
It’s quite amusing Sink. As I told a poster the other night, I could WRITE your posts for you. And no one, not even you, would know the difference. You fanatics are all the same and you say all the same things, left or right. The only difference is whom you are slobbering over and whom you decry as an anal pore. Interchange the names, and the posts are the same.
YOU are a mindless fanatic with nothing to add to any discussion. You should be on capitol hill where you would fit in quite well.
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
7:43 pm
They’ll deal…in the end it will have zero teeth..It’ll be called the “great get me re-elected act”…it’ll have higher taxes and spending cuts to never be enacted in the future..or present…both sides will spin it as a win….unless someone has the will to shut-er-down…I’m not convinced it’ll be the end of the end..remember the stimulus both sides agreed on to keep unemployment below 8%?..to believe either side in whole is naive
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:43 pm
“Perhaps josef has had some personal experience about the man that he knows that we are not privy to. I dunno.”
Libs hate all billionaires, just like Hopey/Changey does.
It’s a DNA thing.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:45 pm
What the hell is the sudden love by the right wing fanatics for the work ilk? Did they JUST learn it? Does that mean that they got out of the two letter words now?
Or have they been using it for a while and I just noticed it? Seems like I’ve seen them use it heavily though for just the last few day, not even a week.
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
7:46 pm
just sayin’…sometimes ya gotta let an addict hit rock bottom before they will have the will to address the problem…painful to watch, and it may not work and the addict is lost…but continued enableing is a losing scenerio
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
7:47 pm
“Libs hate all billionaires, just like Hopey/Changey does.
It’s a DNA thing”
I don’t know where you took your mind-reading lessons…but you need to demand a refund.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:47 pm
keep up,
Oh. Okay. So you just want to play semantics. When I wrote and “then there is you…” it was meant to illustrate the enormous difference in good will and economic benefit that that one man has brought to people, to charities, employees, investors, to all the lives he has affected in a positive way compared to everyday people like you, me, and her. If it makes you feel better I’ll say there are great men like him, and then men like me….. I’m just an average Joe who has not brought nearly the great things or positively affected so many people as he has. I wish I were but I’m not. There. Happy now?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:49 pm
James S.
July 21st, 2011
7:39 pm
Reid says that there MUST be more taxes in the final deal. Sounds like he is as stubborn, instrasigent and single minded as the media has accused the republicans of being. I wonder how long the democrats would last if they did not have the media in their pockets?
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Sweet. So is that the official Republican Admission to the world that FOX NEWS and the Wall Street Journal are NOT “media outlets” but straight up Republican propaganda?
(lol how many times have I typed that this week? Yet the idiots still keep posting the lie.)
Karen
July 21st, 2011
7:50 pm
Old guy and Woodstock Mike,
You must be twins, and your brains were never seperated at birth. Like Obama created the worst recession in our lifetime, and it takes awhile to get out of that big of a hole. Like the one you two are in.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:51 pm
josef: I missed this the first time around , which makes the pun even funnier.
“Let’s hope Sinkwich’s lib ilk aren’t Gulf Coast ilk… maybe he thought they were saying “poissons!”
THAT one was discrete.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:52 pm
Sinkwich
Why would I hate “all” billionairs? I may be a liberal, but I’m still a capitalist running dog of imperialism! Some are decent, some are not. Just like the rest of us.
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
7:52 pm
Are you ready for some football?
Soothsayer
July 21st, 2011
7:54 pm
Well, I have to agree with josef, Redneck’s big ol’ white b*tt is not something I think I want to see. Even though he drops a few “suitcases” over to my house ever now and then. And, then, here comes Buck with a big ol’ load of smelly fish! Hoooo – eeeee! Please! And then there’s Fish Sandwich who’s got it all nailed down! ‘Em Republicans ilk is gonna take us back to “prosperity” circa 2008 if we just give ‘em a far chance. And SHOOT! Scout’s got them “terrists” cornered. And, you know what? Them terrists is just you and me! That’s rot! They’s a Timothy McVeigh out there just itchin’ to blow somethin’ up! SHOOT! it might just be ol’ Scout’s big ol’ sister, you don’t never know! I’d hate to know I got blowed up by Scout’s sister is all!
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:55 pm
“It’s quite amusing Sink. As I told a poster the other night, I could WRITE your posts for you.”
OK Fred, fill in the blank:
Fred is a narcissist like his hero Hopey/Changey because _________________
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:55 pm
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:41 pm
There ya go again showing off that Phd in knowitallogy. I had no idea that you had all the strategic geopolitical thinking down and that you know exactly what is done everywhere and why in terms of strategic thinking, oil drilling, etc. I had no idea I was in the presence of such omniscience and that you were privy to how things really work and thus could enlighten the rest of us.
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And now you know and knowing is half the battle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pele5vptVgc
(are you starting to sense that I don’t really take you too seriously anymore? That’s sad, because I USED to……)
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:55 pm
Hey professor of knowitallogy- aka Fred,
Why don’t you google proven oil reserves and look up in years reserves how much oil is left in the middle east- wikipedia oil reserves? I guarantee its a lot more than 20 years that your dumbarse stated. As a matter of fact lemme help you out there pardner. Its Saudi Arabia with 75, Iran and Iraq with 112 and 150, Venezuela with 275, UAE with 102, Libya 103. It was actually Qatar and not the UAE that was running out of oil.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:57 pm
Sinkwich
DNA? Ooooh, if you only knew…!!
md
July 21st, 2011
7:59 pm
“Didn’t happen last time the crooks were allowed to do it. They actually CUT jobs, (you didn’t read Soothsayer’s link did you). ”
Fine Fred….leave it offshore…..that’ll show em…………
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:59 pm
Fred,
Brilliant sir. You retort with a cartoon while I respond with these things called FACTS which point out just how absurdly, ridiculously, asininely idiotic your comment was that the middle east has about 20 years worth of oil left.
You USED to take me seriously but no longer do? The feeling would be mutual except for the fact that I NEVER took you seriously. EVER! Have a good evening sir.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:00 pm
poison pen
July 21st, 2011
7:41 pm
Where is Getalife? He is always moaning about the repubs wanting to take his Medicare and today Obama is the one who is offering to cut Medicare.
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I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he’s pouting about the smack down he got on the home mortgage deduction thing yesterday. i don’t know, I didn’t read it all.
I’ve also been kind of half way waiting for Kam. I have “news” for him, but I think he probably knows it already so it’s really “olds.”
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
8:00 pm
” Like Obama created the worst recession in our lifetime”
I think “perpetuates” might be a better verb, Karen.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
8:01 pm
“exacerbates” too.
josef
July 21st, 2011
8:02 pm
Where’s getalife? Oh, I’m betting he’s gone back to the reservation…and that’s a good thing!
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
8:04 pm
Fred -”Where is Getalife?”
I understand the rain flooded his Mom’s basement…so he has to relocate
)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
8:04 pm
Doom, sorry. As much as I personally know that Marcus and his wife have helped many, he did not make his money in some godly devine way. He had a partner, he had workers and others. Not everything he did affected all people postitively. He’s a human being who did some things right. There are many average joes who may not have money but who perform great works. Teachers who inspire kids. People who help family in needs. I see no need in my world to acclaim that business leaders are great merely because they create wealth. There are plenty of contrary examples. Bernie Madoff made a fortune, brought economic wealth to a number of people and did great charitable good in the world too. Marcus has done good with his wealth for many but that does not make him a better man than an average joe.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:05 pm
Schrodinger’s cat
July 21st, 2011
7:43 pm
They’ll deal…in the end it will have zero teeth..It’ll be called the “great get me re-elected act”…it’ll have higher taxes and spending cuts to never be enacted in the future..or present…both sides will spin it as a win….unless someone has the will to shut-er-down…I’m not convinced it’ll be the end of the end..remember the stimulus both sides agreed on to keep unemployment below 8%?..to believe either side in whole is naive.
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Amen Bro. I agree with what you p[posted one hundred percent. ESPECIALLY the part I bolded.
marko
July 21st, 2011
8:08 pm
faced with financial disaster the tea party crowd decided to take the weekend off. then again what’s the point it wasn’t like they were going to do anything anyway. Recent polls have shown that Democrats are much more willing to compromise than the ideologically pure tea bag sorts. It looks like one group is willing to work and the other side wants to hold it’s breath till it gets it’s way. at this point I hope the deal get’s done that lets the president raise the debt ceiling on his own. twenty twelve will be here soon and I’m betting that David Brooks is going to look like a genius. The Republicans had the chance of a life time, but couldn’t be bothered to come to work. Ever notice that people that insist on having everything go their way wear out their welcome pretty damned quick.
josef
July 21st, 2011
8:09 pm
Good fight…
Then there’s the widow’s mite…
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:09 pm
Are you ready for some football?
Depends on what you call football lol. I’ve always been a fan of college football, but was lost as a pro fan after the strike in the late 80’s (myriad of reasons not important). I have just recently “re-become” a fan of the pro’s since Blank bought the Falcons and I have someone to cheer for again.
That was a lot of damn words just to say YES wasn’t it?
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
8:10 pm
“Marcus has done good with his wealth for many but that does not make him a better man than an average joe.”
Who said that he was, Keep?
Names please.
I think you have a projection disorder of some kind. Please seek treatment. Perhaps you can get an Obamacare waiver for it.
Just trying to help.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
8:11 pm
Sometimes the bufoonery gets so out of hand that its just wayyyyy too funny. Take the professor of knowitallogy with his 7:49 post declaring that Fox news is not a media outlet but a straight up propoganda machine of the republican party.
Fox news as Mr. Buffoon, uh I mean Mr. Professor of knowitallogy, is owned by News corp. and Rupert Murdoch. So who is the single largest recipient of political donations from News corp and its employees and their families? I’ll give you a clue Perfesser. The last name of the politician begins with an O. Still can’t figure it out there genius? I’ll give you another clue. The last letter of his last name ends in an a. Stretch that 2nd brain cell and perhaps then you can figure it out. Just maybe but I’m certainly not counting on it. And what political party received more money from Rupert Murdoch’s News corp and its employees? I’ll give you another clue perfesser. The party name begins with a D.
I’m sure the perfesser is also a perfesser of logic since he is after all the perfesser of knowitallogy in all of his magnificence and brilliance. So now I would like the perfesser to explain to me the logic of how Fox news, a company owned by News corp is a Republican propoganda machine when we all know that News corp and its employees gave more money to the Ds and the single largest recipient of political donations was a certain politician whose name begins with an O. Explain away perfesser. Enlighten us!
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
8:11 pm
Fred I was the same way after the baseball strike…not bitter, but found other distractions instead and never went back….until recently
josef
July 21st, 2011
8:12 pm
Oh, it’s like I said the other day (unless of course my new “boyfriend” here wants to take credit for saying it), get on with it and let’s start the “we compromised more,” “no you didn’t, we did, “yes, we did…” campaign underway… they’ve got that one ready to go, too…
md
July 21st, 2011
8:13 pm
“He had a partner, he had workers and others.”
Well…..I’d have to say he had a few other things too…..like a vision/idea and the balls to go forward with it by taking on the risk……..I’ve had tons of ideas, but never the balls to put my assets on the line and take the chance……I, like many others chose security first………..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
8:17 pm
Sink, you really are doing the buffoonery act tonight. Are you filling in for someone. I guess you failed to note a prior post: If it makes you feel better I’ll say there are great men like him, and then men like me….. I’m just an average Joe who has not brought nearly the great things or positively affected so many people as he has
Reading, comprehension and intelligence can be your friend. To quote Dean Wormer: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son Perhaps you need to lay off the ilk.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
8:18 pm
keep up the good fight,
I never said Bernie was perfect. I’m sure he’s far from it as are all of us. You think he’s no better than the average Joe and I just respectfully disagree. I just think he is a great man in that the volume of good he has brought to so many people in the way of jobs, wealth, charitable giving, taxes paid to various city, state, and federal coffers which support education and social spending, the amount of sheer wealth that he and his company have created for joe and jane sixpack in their 401k savings, etc.
JIM
July 21st, 2011
8:20 pm
Screw Boehner & the Tea Partiers. Raise taxes to 1999 levels before the war criminal Bush AND cut spending by 3 trillion. We’ll have a surplus in no time
josef
July 21st, 2011
8:21 pm
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son ”
Yeah, you could fall down the stairs and break all three toes…
(Sorry, Mec, I couldn’t resist!)
Soothsayer
July 21st, 2011
8:21 pm
Thulsa, I believe, was talking about how much oil (in years supply) is left in the various countries.
Here is a good chart that might bring that pronunciamento into question.
The question is not how many years’ supply we have left, but rather will we be able to afford what is left. Now I know Thulsa, being the insurance executive his is, doesn’t really have to worry about the price of oil. It’s just the rest of us who need to be worried.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
8:22 pm
Doom… perhaps you need to analyze your claim a little more. Follow The Money: Why News Corp Donated To So Many Democrats …The real story here isn’t that News Corp donated to Democrats. It is why they donated to Democrats. News Corp did nothing unusual. Every corporation donates to powerful elected officials regardless of party in order to sway the oversight of their industry. Every corporation uses their money to buy influence on the political process, and the Supreme Court’s Citizen’s United decision will only make the problem worse.
Before you start to think that Rupert Murdoch is some sort of closet liberal, keep in mind that his personal political donations went 100% to Republicans. News Corp used their money to influence those who make the laws and perform oversight on the agencies who regulate them.
The important story isn’t that News Corp donated slightly more to Democrats during a time when they were in the majority. The dirty little secret that every American should know and be outraged by is that their democracy is owned, bought, and paid for by corporate America.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
8:23 pm
Doom, you’re entitled to your opinion. Of course whether he created wealth in your 401k would depend on when you bought the stock and when you sold.
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
8:26 pm
Keep – “Of course whether he created wealth in your 401k would depend on when you bought the stock and when you sold.”
If one treats their 401k like an e-trade account is very misguided…IOW try again
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:27 pm
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
8:11 pm
Your WHOLE post there is funny. We ARE talking about the SAME Fox News that the entire left wing calls right wing right?
I mean really? Are you serious?
I didn’t say they weren’t a “news outlet” that asshat did when he did that whole Republican “media conspiracy” thing.
Are you drunk now Thulsa or is someone posting under your name? You usually are this dense.
I see a post I made to you got hung by the auto snagger. I didn’t realize “that word” wasn’t allowed so I need to go get it, edit the word and post it again.
But just damn son, you aren’t doing really well here tonight……..
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:28 pm
Here’s the hung post. Let’s see if WUSSY works…….
“You USED to take me seriously but no longer do? The feeling would be mutual except for the fact that I NEVER took you seriously. EVER! Have a good evening sir.”
Of course you did. You take the time to single me out for your so called derision because I whip your ass every time. (Oh, and I’m not too much of a wussy to write the word ass. I don’t tip toe, I’m a man and say what I think. Take notes.) You lie about your thoughts of me like you have to lie for your dogma. you lie when the truth would serve you better.
As to your oil reserve thing? Do you get ALL your info from Wiki pedia? You DO know don’t you that anyone can add or subtract anything they want there don’t you? LOL After Sarah Palin’s “famous” account of Paul Revere’s ride, her supporters went to Wiki and changed it to reflect what she said.
I trust Wiki about as much as I trust the Huffington Post or George Soro’s (I used left wing fanatics on purpose, you would be offended if I cited YOUR propaganda sites).
But, hey, thanks for playing. Now you know and knowing is half the battle………….
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
8:30 pm
Soothsayer,
There is no source for your chart. What I quoted was from Wikipedia and that source included new finds yet to come. It only counts proven reserves which can be extracted. And sooth I’m not wealthy by any means. I’m on a 10 year plan to retire early so I certainly plan on being wealthy and I’m on the way but as of now I have a ways to go. Living in a paid off house helps. I worry about the price of oil not for me but for the poor and middle class in this country that are living paycheck to paycheck. It definitely hurts those people.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:31 pm
Whoomp there it is. The P word doesn’t pass the auto snagger. Cat lovers across the world are saddened.
Well Thulsa, while I’m sure you have nothing better to do, I do. I want to play Call of Duty: Black Ops and a deteriorating “debate” (or what passes to you as one) with you is low on my priorities.
Let me know what Rush and Neal say tomorrow…………
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
8:31 pm
Texas lawmakers cut sex ed from two six-month courses to a single unit of “abstinence only” education. But early indications showed that the program wasn’t working. In fact, teens in almost all high school grades were having more sex after undergoing the abstinence only program. By 2007, Texas had the highest teen birth rate in the nation.
Nevertheless, the program continued. By 2009, 94 percent of Texas schools, which at the time were educating more than 3.7 million students, were giving no sex ed whatsoever beyond “abstinence only,” a curriculum that includes emphasizing that birth control doesn’t work.
The results? Teen pregnancy in Texas went up — higher than before “abstinence only,” and more than 50 percent higher than the national average. Even more troubling was that repeat teen pregnancy went up — to the point that it, too, led the nation. It turns out that Texas kids thought that “if birth control doesn’t work, why use it?”
Soothsayer
July 21st, 2011
8:31 pm
I stand by my earlier predictions that oil will be trading in the $200 – 300 ($6.00 – $9.00/gallon) barrel range by 2015. With exponentially increasing demand and falling supply, what else can be the result?
If we, as a country, had any brains we would be working with the feverishness of the Manhattan Project the transition to a solar/hydrogen energy policy. Instead of wasting time, money, and precious resources trying to corner a dwindling hydrocarbon energy supply.
Think of it this way: in the 40s and 50s the country switched from coal to diesel for most transportation. It is now time to switch from petroleum to solar/hydrogen.
Unfortunately, when the “ship hits the sand” it will be too late and untold suffering will result.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
8:35 pm
keep up,
Damn I hate it when I agree with you. yes. All politicians are bought and paid for by political donations. No argument there and yes the Dems get just as much money and in fact in the last election they got more money than the Repubs from corporate America. And news corp. like any other company put money into the coffers of both parties- nothing unusual there as you pointed out. But still the fact remains overall that between the company and its employees Obama got the most money and the Dems got more money than the Repubs. And this is news corp who the liberals just hate. My only point to the perfessor is that given this level of donation its ridiculous to ascertain that Fox is the propoganda machine of one party. And hell even if that were true then that just makes the scorecard 5-1 with liberals getting preferential treatment from the 3 networks and CNN and especially MSNBC.
josef
July 21st, 2011
8:36 pm
FRED
Neal? As in Boortz…auto snagger blue nosed B*tch oughta put THAT on her list, too! Oh, yeah, she’s trilingual, too…can’t pull a French or Spanish one past her very easily either…
Bruno
July 21st, 2011
8:36 pm
Well…..I’d have to say he had a few other things too…..like a vision/idea and the balls to go forward with it by taking on the risk……..
md–My highest respect goes out to those who start a business from scratch and make it successful. Until a person is faced with making payroll and paying expenses, it’s hard for me to take their business opinions seriously.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
8:37 pm
josef
July 21st, 2011
8:21 pm
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son ”
Yeah, you could fall down the stairs and break all three toes…
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I don’t care who you are that’s funny.
Best laugh I got all night josef. Good catch.
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
8:37 pm
Fred at 8:27,
Am I drunk? Nope. But I wish I were because when I’m drunk its the only time you make sense to me.
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
8:38 pm
Georgia’s unemployment rate went back up to 9.9% which is below 10.0% by 0.1 +/-0.05% but who’s counting.
Schrodinger's cat
July 21st, 2011
8:39 pm
Sooth – you do understand the term “exponentially” don’t you?
Okay so I’m parseing like JM..