Is deal imminent? Did someone blink?
Rumors are that a deal’s a cookin’.
Rumors are it’s for $3 trillion in spending cuts, with revenue increases to be adopted later. Or to be adopted now. Or maybe not adopted at all.
As the Washington Post reports, that latter possibility has Senate Democrats up in arms:
After what was described as a rambunctious hour-long meeting with Senate Democrats, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced that his caucus opposes what he called the “agreement, potential agreement” because the outlines so far do not include sufficient guarantees of increased tax revenues.
“There’s no agreement. They’re working toward an agreement,” he said, adding that he received a call from a White House official during the meeting that confirmed the president had not reached a final agreement with Boehner.
The meeting included a presentation by White House Budget Director Jacob Lew, who was pilloried by Democrats who contended that Obama was giving away deep cuts to entitlements without any agreement on taxes. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), while declining to address the specifics of Lew’s talks, said she opposed the White House direction and instead would continue to support the option offered by Reid and McConnell — a backup plan to raise the debt ceiling in three phases over more than a year.
Reid said his caucus would oppose any plan that did not include increased tax revenue, questioning whether Obama had gone back on his pledge to include “balance” in the final deal.
“The president always talked about balance, that there had to be some fairness in this, that this can’t be all cuts,” Reid said. “There has to be a balance. There has to be some revenue and cuts. My caucus agrees with that. I hope that the president sticks with that. I’m confident that he will.”
I wish I could say that I was as confident as Reid claims to be.
On the other hand, Grover Norquist has made an interesting statement to the Post editorial board, stating point blank that a deal allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would not be considered a tax increase and thus not in violation of the pledge taken by so many Republicans.
“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase,” he said.
So does it violate the pledge?
“We wouldn’t hold it that way.”
The Post has released an audiotape of the discussion, just to ensure that there’s no doubt about what Norquist said. And there isn’t.
Later, though, Americans for Tax Reform did a moonwalk on those statements:
“ATR opposes all tax increases on the American people. Any failure to extend or make permanent the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, in whole or in part, would clearly increase taxes on the American people. It is a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge to trade temporary tax reductions for permanent tax hikes.”
So who the hell knows?
I do know I’m going fishing next week and will be totally out of touch with the real world beginning Saturday. When we come off the river July 30, I guess we’ll see what’s left standing.
– Jay Bookman
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Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:02 pm
LWM: Never mind. I didn’t see your 4:33 where you explained it. Sorry. Let me finish reading your link.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
July 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
Bosch, I don’t hate Obama, just don’t agree with many policies, just think he is in over is head, seems like a brilliant guy, doesn’t mean he’s cut out to be POTUS though… He’s hasn’t done well bringing people together from both sides, like Clinton could do… Of course it’s not easy bringing Republicans and Democrats together but the best presidents always find a way to get it done…
electrician
July 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
there will be a deal,there was always going to be a deal…but, easy money for op-ed guys like you Jay. no thinking involved.just write a couple of paragraphs and let the fan club do the rest.
Soothsayer
July 21st, 2011
5:05 pm
Corporate Tax Holiday in Debt Ceiling Deal: Where’s the Uproar?
[T]here is a growing, and real, possibility that a second “one-time tax holiday” will be approved for corporations as part of whatever sordid deal emerges from the debt-ceiling negotiations.
For those who don’t know about it, tax repatriation is one of the all-time long cons and also one of the most supremely evil achievements of the Washington lobbying community, which has perhaps told more shameless lies about this one topic than about any other in modern history – which is saying a lot, considering the many absurd things that are said and done by lobbyists in our nation’s capital.
Here’s how it works: the tax laws say that companies can avoid paying taxes as long as they keep their profits overseas. Whenever that money comes back to the U.S., the companies have to pay taxes on it.
It’s called “having your cake and eating it too!”
AmVet
July 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
Pogo, what what? (Seriously I don’t know what you’re referring to.)
Keep, just doing my part to keep the conversation lively!
Speaking of which, how about this piece of news?
The Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence at Wells Fargo get a slap on the wrist for their part in the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism.
To these legalized thieves, $85mil is just another cost of doing business…
http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/20/news/companies/wells_fargo_fined/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
pogo
July 21st, 2011
5:07 pm
Bosch, Obama is not ending the war. Obama’s continuation of Bush’s policies, which were in place well before his taking office will end the Iraq war (if it truly does ever end). Obama didn’t have a clue what to do with the mess so he just continued the course that was laid out before he got there because he had absolutely no confidence in himself or his foreign policy team. He was actually wise in this respect. US foreign policy has been a disaster under Obama. We are now, in the eye of the world much, much weaker than we have ever been and the rest of the world likes it that way. We are now seen as nothing but a country of capitulating pansies. Obama can claim this view of us by the world as his own. He made it.
Before you reply, understand that I cannot stand Bush and I don’t think we should have been in Iraq in the first place. Bush was not a conservative in my eye.
josef
July 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
FRED
A a good bon jour to you…speaking of reading, did you get the book?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:09 pm
Gotcha LWM and I also agree that he lacks the balls to do it.
I also agree with you josef that Hitlery would have.
I also forget who said earlier that they were tired of the rhetoric and had changed their position to just let it expire and see what happens. LOL i came to that conclusion a couple of weeks ago. But then I’ve always been kinda contrary AND curious.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:11 pm
josef, no, but I’ve THOUGHT about it lol. For some reason, the title won’t stick to my tiny little mind and whenever I’m out I don’t have the paper I wrote it down on.
Left wing management
July 21st, 2011
5:12 pm
Fred: “I also agree with you josef that Hitlery would have”
Indeed, and as I’ve pointed out on here before there is an iron clad law in politics and statecraft: any woman who enters that sphere has ALL the balls in any given situation, to the exclusion of the balls of any men who happen to be present. The Iron Lady herself is the classic example.
And needless to say apparently Allen West was absent when this lesson was taught, the fool.
josef
July 21st, 2011
5:12 pm
FRED
Well, you’re no fun…!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:12 pm
md…. you may be at the airport but the planes are still whizzing over your head…
A specific heat wave is no more evidence of global warming by itself than any particular snow storm…..but every snow storm requires some nonsensical claim of “so where’s that global warming”. For those who only need a single snow storm to disprove global warming, then an atypical heat wave is satisfactory prove for the same group.
Thanks for trying. Thanks for the laugh.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:14 pm
Amvet…and how much does the CEO at WF collect because he is such a great leader?
md
July 21st, 2011
5:16 pm
“Here’s how it works: the tax laws say that companies can avoid paying taxes as long as they keep their profits overseas. Whenever that money comes back to the U.S., the companies have to pay taxes on it.”
That is so Bogus……..with a capital B.
The facts are, that money is destined for DOUBLE taxation, and that is why corps are leaving it overseas……..
Avoid paying taxes?? Wrong, the country of origin ALREADY taxed that money…………
md
July 21st, 2011
5:18 pm
“A specific heat wave is no more evidence of global warming by itself than any particular snow storm…..but every snow storm requires some nonsensical claim of “so where’s that global warming”. For those who only need a single snow storm to disprove global warming, then an atypical heat wave is satisfactory prove for the same group.”
It took all those words to explain what you meant and others were supposed to figure it out through osmosis??
Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:19 pm
Avoid paying taxes?? Wrong, the country of origin ALREADY taxed that money…………
No, it didn’t.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:20 pm
It took all those words to explain what you meant and others were supposed to figure it out through
osmosismy densityOthers understood. I dont think you should attribute your own density to them.
md
July 21st, 2011
5:20 pm
“No, it didn’t.”
Sure it did………you know any countries out there with a 0% tax rate??
md
July 21st, 2011
5:21 pm
OK Keep….whatever you say………..
Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:22 pm
Well I have to go throw something together for supper. My fat ass fell down the stairs last night and thought I broke 3 toes. Turns out I didn’t, but they sure hurt like hell, as well as other body parts.
That sounds bad doesn’t it? I should say my wife pushed me down the stairs, then I wouldn’t look like such a clumsy jackass. Actually I think there is a poltergeist resides in my stairwell. My daughter fell down them last week and she wasn’t even playing around, just walking normally as I was.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
5:23 pm
“It took all those words to explain what you meant and others were supposed to figure it out through osmosis??”
I understood him the first time. Where were you?
yuzeyurbrane
July 21st, 2011
5:23 pm
Hope you catch some big ones.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:23 pm
MD: yes, for foreign “investments.” Well that is unless you count the bribes as “taxes.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:25 pm
Fred, glad to hear no toes broken, only ego. Hope you got some good drugs anyway!
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
5:26 pm
So that’s why corporations are going overseas.
josef
July 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
good fight
@ 5:12
Golda Meir, Corazon Aquino, Angela Merkel, Tansu Ciller, Benazier Bhutto, Yulia Timoshenko, Indira Ghandi —just to name a few!
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
“Actually I think there is a poltergeist resides in my stairwell. ”
Here’s a suggestion: quite WAXING the stairs!
pogo
July 21st, 2011
5:30 pm
Amvet. Global Warming? I think that particular piece of deceased equine flesh has been beaten into oblivion. I grew up and still live in the deep South and as long as I can remember it has been hotter than haites in the summer and we have cursed it. Of course if it ever gets cold and stays that way, no, I don’t even want to think about that!
I was in Seattle last week and the 68 degree days made my bones hurt. No wonder Kurt took the easy way out!
md
July 21st, 2011
5:34 pm
“MD: yes, for foreign “investments.” Well that is unless you count the bribes as “taxes.””
Much of the money sitting offshore is from operations based in other countries……..and it is profit AFTER taxes…..in those countries…….they get their cut first. No different than a foreign national doing business in the US….we get our cut first, then that corp can do what it wants in it’s home country depending on THEIR laws.
The idae of a tax holiday is actually beneficial…….but too many are ignorant of that benefit so they poo poo the idea.
It’s pretty simple……..leave the money offshore = No taxes and NO money circulating in OUR system……and no future taxes.
Bring it back = No taxes but money flowing in OUR system…………..to be taxed later.
It’s strictly about the flow of capital………………
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:36 pm
josef… Yep, with Kyoto expiring new groundwork needed for dealing with climate change.
In case anyone was looking for more evidence that Cain does not know about fiscal conservativism (and makes you wonder about his supporters): Herman Cain: Austerity for You, Ritz Carlton for Me
Road Scholar
July 21st, 2011
5:39 pm
For those who have a grudge against Pres Obama by stating that he has had nothing to do with removing our troops from Iraq, the reduction in troops is in direct response to lower violence and attacks from Al Quida and the tribes. So, if YOU want to thank someone for bringing our troops home, why don’t you thank Al Quida for that. Of course this would make you a traitor much like the conservatives charged the people who did not support the invasion of Iraq.
Oh, and old guy….grow up!
md
July 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
“the reduction in troops is in direct response to lower violence and attacks from Al Quida and the tribes.”
The reduction of troops is in direct relation to the SOFA agreed upon by the US and Iraq in 2008…….
Jm
July 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
Dems are pulling the trigger on the us economy. Way to go dems.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
5:43 pm
“So, if YOU want to thank someone for bringing our troops home, why don’t you thank Al Quida for that.”
Personally, *I* do. They’re giving us a chance to get as many soldiers out as possible. I have NO faith that we’ve installed anything like a lasting peace in Iraq. When we get down to whatever our minimum force is going to be…I give it less than 5 years for the internal stife to flare up again. Until some new strongman like Saddam Hussein takes over.
1811/0311
July 21st, 2011
5:45 pm
Obama is sinking ……….. sinking …………………….. sinking …………………………….
pogo
July 21st, 2011
5:46 pm
Obama, Immelt and the unions are tri-symbiotic. A simple case of you help me and I help you and we all gain and the “host” (the US working population) has to continue to struggle to stay alive.
Don't Tread
July 21st, 2011
5:47 pm
“Reid said his caucus would oppose any plan that did not include increased tax revenue”
“this can’t be all cuts,” Reid said
Really? Why not? The federal government wastes more money than anyone on Earth. The waste and duplicity needs to be taken out before asking the taxpayers for one more dime than they pay today.
Reid is still stuck on class warfare. Soak the rich. (”Rich” meaning anyone who actually pays taxes instead of getting money back that they didn’t earn.)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:49 pm
In June, the Institute for Global Labour and Human Rights released a report alleging that workers producing clothing for Walmart, Target, Macy’s, Kohl’s and Hanes at a factory in Jordan have been routinely beaten, underpaid and forced to work hours in excess of what the local law allows. The report added that workers have been forced to live in bed bug-infested dormitories that lack heat and hot water, despite the snow and ice that are a feature of local winters.
The report also alleged a pattern of widespread sexual abuse of female employees at the Classic Brands factory complex. The factory employs some 4,800 people, mostly guest workers from South Asia
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Tell us again the fairy tales about those bad bad unions and the protections that workers dont need…….
AmVet
July 21st, 2011
5:52 pm
Pogo, oh!
I know, my brother. I was just being a smartass.
Having grown up in the Midwest, I know it almost always hotter than hell in the summer and colder than a witch’s ___ in the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXYfg-erLJU
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:54 pm
Yep…we all know Iowa is heaven, Nebraska hell!
Thomas
July 21st, 2011
5:56 pm
Tell us again the fairy tales about those bad bad unions and the protections that workers dont need…….
No- I will tell you those jobs need to come back to the US in a non union capacity. A factory based in the US wouldn’t last long if it had abuses such as those described.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
5:59 pm
Keep: Good drugs? The Xray tech took the pictures and then said, “Your Doctor isn’t at this location today and we don’t have a radiologist here either. Go home, someone will call you in a couple of days.”
Of course I didn’t leave it at that. But alas, no drugs. That’s ok, that’s why God invented beer…………..
Jack
July 21st, 2011
6:00 pm
You can’t argue with a liberal.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:01 pm
Thomas: A factory based in the US wouldn’t last long if it had abuses such as those described
Absolutely correct….thanks to unions and others who fought to get regulations in place to change this country. Regulations which a number of people now want to chop away with an ax or completely remove rather than to use a scapel to get rid of the outdated regs or to smartly implement additional protections. We also need to strenghten the ability of the government to stop these products from coming into the country and to go after the companies which purchase them for sale in this country. If those goods cannot be sold here, the pressure will help change those abuses.
MarkV
July 21st, 2011
6:05 pm
1811/0311 @5:45 pm
“Obama is sinking ……….. sinking …………………….. sinking ,” = Republicans’ wishful thinking …thinking… thinking
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:05 pm
md
July 21st, 2011
5:34 pm
Bring it back = No taxes but money flowing in OUR system…………..to be taxed later.
It’s strictly about the flow of capital………………
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Didn’t happen last time the crooks were allowed to do it. They actually CUT jobs, (you didn’t read Soothsayer’s link did you).
And no, it’s not about “the flow of cash.” It’s about how can we flow the cash into the Country does our dirty work for us, wars, roads, hospitals, educationect, WITHOUT having to pay for any of those things. And you would complain about a few lowlifes on :”welfare”? What in the hell do you call THAT?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:07 pm
pogo
July 21st, 2011
5:30 pm
I was in Seattle last week and the 68 degree days made my bones hurt. No wonder Kurt took the easy way out!
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Preach it brother PREACH IT!!!!!!!!!!! I always tell people I’m a Southern boy. Anything under 70 is cold, and 70 is cold if the sun isn’t shining and the wind is blowing………
Thomas
July 21st, 2011
6:07 pm
Agreed except with the abject failure of today’s unions which are largely there to provide non existant defined benefit plans which play out for a season or two. The financial atrocities surrounding GM and Chrysler as to the propping up of the unions were second only to the atrocities surrounding the bank bail outs for the upper tier white collar.
MarkV
July 21st, 2011
6:08 pm
Don’t Tread @5:47 pm: “Reid is still stuck on class warfare.”
The only class warfare is the one that the Republicans and their rich bosses wage on the middle class, the income of which has stagnated, while the income of the rich has been soaring.
oldtimer
July 21st, 2011
6:11 pm
I think both groups ought to go into a room; not communicate with anyone outside that room and stay there till there is a plan. Both sides will need to blink some. We cannot continue our spending spree . They need to all pull on the big boy panties and get the job done.
oldtimer
July 21st, 2011
6:12 pm
Mark V..your words indicate clear class warfare…Just like Marx and Stalin..
AmVet
July 21st, 2011
6:16 pm
Yep, Keep, according to that awesome film, Iowa is heaven. But I’ve been there and I’m not so sure!
As for Nebraska, occasionally going back and seeing the family is great fun, but why do you think I left there when I was 17? (grin)
As for hell, Lincoln sure fits that description for visiting teams on Saturday afternoons in the fall…
pogo
July 21st, 2011
6:17 pm
You gotta love it.
http://www.breitbart.tv/homeland-security-depicts-terrorists-as-white-americans-in-promotional-video/
Kind of reminds me of those ADT commericals where the bad guys breaking into houses are always white. It appears that caucasions are the only ones left in America that can be used for purposes such as these where the orginator doesn’t have to worry about being sued for racial or religious bias. Seems that they could at least equal out the mix a little bit, doesn’t it?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:19 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
5:49 pm
In June, the Institute for Global Labour and Human Rights released a report alleging that workers producing clothing for Walmart, Target, Macy’s, Kohl’s and Hanes at a factory in Jordan have been routinely beaten, underpaid and forced to work hours in excess of what the local law allows. The report added that workers have been forced to live in bed bug-infested dormitories that lack heat and hot water, despite the snow and ice that are a feature of local winters.
The report also alleged a pattern of widespread sexual abuse of female employees at the Classic Brands factory complex. The factory employs some 4,800 people, mostly guest workers from South Asia
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oh HUSH, shut the hell up even. “Those” people deserve it. As long as we can get cheap goods, the companies can make record profits, and stuff like that, fairytales like you just posted are meaningless.
Everyone knows that if the American working class weren’t a bunch of greedy lazy slugs and them damn dumbicrats didn’t try to tax the hell out of the poor over worked and over taxed “job creators” they would HAVE to move their factories overseas.
It’s people like YOU who think that them damn foreigners in other Countries are people too who create this problem. Those folks over there should be grateful to have a bed, bug infested or not, and them “rape victims” were probably begging for it anyway. The American workers could learn a lesson from “those folks” who know what they are in for when the apply for them jobs but do it ANYWAYS because they know there is no such thing as a free lunch. Sometimes you just have to make some sacrifices……………….
Wow, I feel like I need a bath after that. Even the satire made me feel unclean……….
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:20 pm
“Bernie Marcus co-founded Home Depot (HD) in 1978 and brought it public in 1981 as the U.S. was suffering from the worst recession and unemployment in 40 years. The company thrived, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and redefining home improvement retailing. But Marcus says Home Depot “would never have succeeded” if it launched today due to onerous regulation.”
Keep loves regs, just like his lib ilk. Jobs mean nothing and deserve no consideration during the reg development process says the lib ilk handbook.
MarkV
July 21st, 2011
6:21 pm
oldtimer @6:11 pm
“I think both groups ought to go into a room; not communicate with anyone outside that room and stay there till there is a plan. Both sides will need to blink some. We cannot continue our spending spree . They need to all pull on the big boy panties and get the job done.”
oldtimer, that is like being for apple pie and motherhood. Sorry, but people have to take a stand to make any difference.
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
6:22 pm
The Gang of Six plan promises almost $4 trillion in deficit cuts, including an immediate 10-year, $500 billion down payment that would come as Congress sets caps on the agency budgets it passes each year. It also requires an additional $500 billion in cost curbs on federal health care programs, cuts to federal employee pensions, curbs in the growth of military health care and retirement costs, and modest cuts to farm subsidies.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:22 pm
You can’t argue with a liberal.
Sure you can but you might try to have facts and logical arguments rather than bumper sticker nonsense.
MarkV
July 21st, 2011
6:24 pm
oldtimer @6:12 pm
“Mark V..your words indicate clear class warfare…Just like Marx and Stalin.”.
Anytime somebody pulls up Marx and Stalin into the discussion, he/she shows his/her ignorance and stupidity.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
6:25 pm
“But Marcus says Home Depot “would never have succeeded” if it launched today due to onerous regulation.””
Yeah right. Can’t be THAT onerous. Home Depots are still around, aren’t they?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:25 pm
Oldtimer? What has Stalin to do with Marx? Neither their political agendas or philosophies are even remotely related. Stalin is more closely aligned with Hitler both in ideology and “management style,” than with Karl Marx.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:27 pm
ohhh….lib ilk…I herd the news.
Yep, I do believe in regulation. Regulations have cleaned our waters, our air, made our workplaces safer, made products sold safer, forced companys to recall products that were bad, and much more. Smart regulation is good for business as many businessmen will tell you and many of them use regulations against their competitors to try to keep a level playing field. Is regulation perfect? Nope, and there are many reasons for that…..some of them Republican or regulators who “don’t believe” in regulation and try to undercut them.
In fact, Republicans believe a lot in the abuse of regulations (see Kansas).
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:29 pm
Oops, should not be sexist…substitute “business persons” for businessmen.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:29 pm
Hey Keep, thanks to you and your ilk for this:
“Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation the Pelican Institute obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office. The ten rigs named in the document are: Marinas, Discover Americas, Ocean Endeavor, Ocean Confidence, Stena Forth, Clyde Bourdeaux, Ensco 8503, Deep Ocean Clarion, Discover Spirit, and Amirante. The rigs have left the Gulf for locations in Egypt, Congo, French Guiana, Liberia, Nigeria and Brazil.”
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:31 pm
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
6:22 pm
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Couldn’t resist you name. I’ll melt with you……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuN6gs0AJls&ob=av2e
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:32 pm
Keep and his ilk: “we don’t need no steekin’ jobs, we need regulations!”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:34 pm
Sinkwich…. so? Permits have been issued. Why did they not apply for new permits. Why were regulations not followed that would have prevented the BP disaster? The industry violated any number of regulations and corrupted a government agency and you want to whine about the clean up. Sorry. Does not prove all regulation everywhere bad. As I said, not all regulations perfect.
MarkV
July 21st, 2011
6:35 pm
F. Sinkwich @6:29 pm
“Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, …”
So what? We buy oil on world market. Fewer sites that could blow up.
Truth
July 21st, 2011
6:36 pm
Go Tea Party Go !
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:38 pm
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:29 pm
Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation the Pelican Institute obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office.
Are any of them American owned or American Manufactured? None of the one I could find in a quick google were. Explain to me again why I should be concerned that foreign Companies using rigs built in other Foreign Countries are no longer stealing our oil. i’m missing the boat somewhere.
Besides didmwit, let them extract the oil from the rest of the world first, then we will have a monopoly…….
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:39 pm
Keep: you didn’t like my satire lol? I was just trying to save some idiot the trouble of posting it………
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:41 pm
Doggone thinks Bernie Marcus is a liar. How about Steve Wynn?
“this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I could prove it and I could spend the next three hours giving you examples of all of us in this marketplace that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our healthcare costs escalate, regulations…”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:44 pm
Frosty the Fred….. I was just having trouble getting the link to work (problem on my end)….. of course, you do know that ilk dont melt….we migrate
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:44 pm
Fred, how about JOBS ???
Who gives a crap who owns the rigs? It’s American jobs Obama, your Messiah, is killing.
Sorry, I forgot, libs don’t care about that.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
6:44 pm
“this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job creation in my lifetime”
He’s a liar too.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:48 pm
Fred, as to the other satire (just scrolled back to see it)….. you’re right…take a shower. But I am sure some did not see it as satire whether they have osmosis or not
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:51 pm
Keep: I meant the 6:19, not the youtube song………
Sink: MY messiah? I’M a liberal? Well I guess to simpletons such as yourself. But to the rest of the world I’m an Independent. I know that’s a tough concept for you since independent means thinking for yourself, not tuning into Rush or clicking on Huffington to learn each day what you are SUPPOSED to think so I forgive you. It’s not your fault that the Good Lord didn’t endow you with to much in the brain department……………
As to JOBS? How poetically beautiful that you use offshore drilling to ask that question since YOUR messiahs have been sending all the American jobs to other Countries. But you are to dim to get it so another quiet chuckle will go unheard……….
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
6:52 pm
F. Sinkwich,
Those 10 rigs also took a lot of blue collar jobs and tax money with them when they left. Regarding the drilling in the gulf the reason oil companies pulled out is because the Obama administration as of a month or so ago had approved a mere 7 permits for the year in the Gulf. The other issue is that in the Bush administration it took 30-60 days to get a permit approved and under the Obama administration its taking 9 months or more. This is no accident. The Obama administration is deliberately doing what it can to keep us from developing our own oil resources. Sometimes you just gotta wonder why this guy’s energy policies are so virulently anti-American.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:52 pm
More libroolery in California shutting off water to the central valley to (allegedly) save some bait fish:
“would cause an estimated $1.15 billion dollar loss in agriculture-related wages and eliminate as many as 40,000 jobs in farm-related industries in the San Joaquin Valley alone, where most of the nation’s produce and nut crops are grown, said Lester Snow, director of the Department of Water Resources. ”
Gotta luv me some regs!
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
6:53 pm
The federal government sent $478 billion to their state and local counterparts last year, according to a report issued Wednesday by the Pew Center on the States. Next month, states are expecting to get $10.4 billion in college tuition assistance alone. But that money might not come if the debt ceiling is not raised.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:54 pm
I hate it when posts get crossed lol in cyberspace……….. oh well. It happens.
Doggone@ 6:44: Well said. Short and to the point.
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
6:56 pm
At least one rating agency has warned that states could suffer if the federal government defaults. Any downgrade of the nation’s stellar credit rating could pull down the Triple A rating of five states — Maryland, New Mexico, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia, Moody’s Investors Service said Tuesday.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:57 pm
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
6:52 pm
Sometimes you just gotta wonder why this guy’s energy policies are so virulently anti-American.
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I think you should ask the folks on the Gulf Coast about that. Folks like fishermen and resort owners and restaurant owners, or pretty much ANYONE who doesn’t get a paycheck from oil wells that cut corners, blow up, and cost everyone ELSE their lively hood.
Doggone/GA
July 21st, 2011
6:57 pm
“Doggone@ 6:44: Well said. Short and to the point”
It’s actually funny. He could go on for hours, right? But the only thing he could think of to actually mention was a bill that hasn’t even gone into effect yet. Yep, that’s some really onerous regulation alright!
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:58 pm
So Fred’s an independent! He’s sooooo much smarter than conservatives like me!
All hail Fred, knower of all things true and righteous !!!
Let us all defer to Fred and be cleansed!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
6:58 pm
Sinkwich, and how do you feel about the Republican regulation of abortion clinics in Kansas?
For the record: a citation to a claim about one bad regulation here or one bad one there (if they are indeed bad, because you clearly have only presented unsupported claims) does not disprove all government regulation bad.
josef
July 21st, 2011
6:59 pm
I wish no ill will on the employees of Home Depot, but I wouldn’t throw Marcus an old moldy donought if he were starving under a bridge. He’s a first rate pr*ck in my opinion and he’s a first rate hypocrite politically. Just my opinion.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:00 pm
“But that money might not come if the debt ceiling is not raised.”
So?
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:01 pm
“does not disprove all government regulation bad.”
Never said that. Please pay attention.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:02 pm
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
6:58 pm
So Fred’s an independent! He’s sooooo much smarter than conservatives like me!
All hail Fred, knower of all things true and righteous !!!
Let us all defer to Fred and be cleansed!
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Thank you. I figured you would come to your senses but I didn’t know would would see ALL the light all at once.
Neither a full bow nor genuflection is required in my presence. A simple, discreet nodding of the head is sufficient.
Anything else I can help you with? Any other myth’s you need dis-spelled? I have a couple hours until my wife gets home and reviews the document I need to send later tonight. I’d rather play some Call of Duty: Black Ops, but I’m here if you need me.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:02 pm
correction: does not prove all government regulation bad…..
YouMelt, ImMelt, We All Melt
July 21st, 2011
7:02 pm
Not only does Brown feel Wynn’s assessment is wrong, he says the comments are somewhat misplaced since much of Wynn’s business is not generated in the U.S. “Go parse the words of the report: 70 percent of Wynn Resorts revenue is from China and a nice chunk of the other 30 percent is from him flying in Chinese businessmen to the Vegas strip,” Brown notes.
What’s the corporate tax rate in China.
Soothsayer
July 21st, 2011
7:03 pm
You know, friends, there are times in life when you just run up against the brick wall. You ask yourself “is it really worth it?” “I mean should I really try to face another day or should I end it all right now?” What with everything that’ going on in the World, who can blame me? And then, just when things seem darkest:
Pee-wee Herman aims to hit the road in new movie
SAN DIEGO — Pee-wee Herman hopes to take his act back on the road for a new big-screen adventure.
Paul Reubens told an audience at the Comic-Con fan convention Thursday that he’s working with Hollywood comedy powerhouse Judd Apatow to produce a new movie.
Reubens appeared in character as Pee-wee, with his bow-tie and gray suit. He played the oddball man-child on television and in two feature films, including Tim Burton’s 1985 comedy “Pee-wee’s Big Adventure.”
Reubens says Apatow felt strongly that the new film should return the character to his life on the road in the first movie.
He says that’s what they’re doing: “A road picture across the entire country.”
Thank goodness!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:03 pm
So Sinkwich, you agree some regulation is needed and not all regulation is bad?
Thulsa Doom
July 21st, 2011
7:05 pm
Doggone/GA,
Calling Bernie Marcus a liar? He’s one of the greatest citizens Atlanta has ever had. He is well known for his philanthropy and charitable giving. He donated the aquarium to Atlanta and he also personally funded a stroke unit for Grady hospital which had not been in existence before he built it. His donation alone to the city of atlanta for the aquarium I think personally costed him 250 million or more. This man and his company have created a company that has given jobs to tens of thousands of employees, which created incredible amounts of wealth and successful people and which over its decades in business has paid tens of millions in taxes if not billions.
Who are you to call this great man a liar? What have you done in your lifetime that compares to all the goodness and prosperity that this man’s life has brought to so many people and to this city in particular? If Mr. Marcus is stating that the onerous regulation has gotten so ridiculous that he and Arthur could not start Home Depot again given today’s regulatory environment then I damn well believe the man.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:05 pm
“Sinkwich, and how do you feel about the Republican regulation of abortion clinics in Kansas?”
Why don’t we let Kansas sort that out? State’s rights, you know.
Oh no !! I said it !! Now I’ll be accused by the lib ilk of being a racist…
Bummer.
F. Sinkwich
July 21st, 2011
7:06 pm
“So Sinkwich, you agree some regulation is needed and not all regulation is bad?”
Bingo.
Fred
July 21st, 2011
7:07 pm
I wish no ill will on the employees of Home Depot, but I wouldn’t throw Marcus an old moldy donought
Wow josef, I know it has to have happened, but i NEVER seen you make a typo before lol.
josef
July 21st, 2011
7:07 pm
FRED
@ 6:57
Yep. But then they’re a faraway colony of whom we know and care very little so long as the port’s open, the oil is flowing and the natives are doing their colorful dances for the Yankee dollar…eh, Mec, les beaux-enfants aux cheveux rouges de l’Oncle Sam!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 21st, 2011
7:08 pm
Sink ducks the Kansas question….. argues government regulation bad for national corporations, argues about a CA regulation but when it comes to Republican regulation in Kansas…suddenly its “let Kansas sort that out”. Why is this intellectual dishonesty not surprising?