Is deal imminent? Did someone blink?

Rumors are that a deal’s a cookin’.

Rumors are it’s for $3 trillion in spending cuts, with revenue increases to be adopted later. Or to be adopted now. Or maybe not adopted at all.

As the Washington Post reports, that latter possibility has Senate Democrats up in arms:

After what was described as a rambunctious hour-long meeting with Senate Democrats, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced that his caucus opposes what he called the “agreement, potential agreement” because the outlines so far do not include sufficient guarantees of increased tax revenues.

“There’s no agreement. They’re working toward an agreement,” he said, adding that he received a call from a White House official during the meeting that confirmed the president had not reached a final agreement with Boehner.

The meeting included a presentation by White House Budget Director Jacob Lew, who was pilloried by Democrats who contended that Obama was giving away deep cuts to entitlements without any agreement on taxes. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), while declining to address the specifics of Lew’s talks, said she opposed the White House direction and instead would continue to support the option offered by Reid and McConnell — a backup plan to raise the debt ceiling in three phases over more than a year.

Reid said his caucus would oppose any plan that did not include increased tax revenue, questioning whether Obama had gone back on his pledge to include “balance” in the final deal.

“The president always talked about balance, that there had to be some fairness in this, that this can’t be all cuts,” Reid said. “There has to be a balance. There has to be some revenue and cuts. My caucus agrees with that. I hope that the president sticks with that. I’m confident that he will.”

I wish I could say that I was as confident as Reid claims to be.

On the other hand, Grover Norquist has made an interesting statement to the Post editorial board, stating point blank that a deal allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would not be considered a tax increase and thus not in violation of the pledge taken by so many Republicans.

“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase,” he said.

So does it violate the pledge?

“We wouldn’t hold it that way.”

The Post has released an audiotape of the discussion, just to ensure that there’s no doubt about what Norquist said. And there isn’t.

Later, though, Americans for Tax Reform did a moonwalk on those statements:

“ATR opposes all tax increases on the American people. Any failure to extend or make permanent the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, in whole or in part, would clearly increase taxes on the American people. It is a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge to trade temporary tax reductions for permanent tax hikes.”

So who the hell knows?

I do know I’m going fishing next week and will be totally out of touch with the real world beginning Saturday. When we come off the river July 30, I guess we’ll see what’s left standing.

– Jay Bookman

488 comments Add your comment

josef

July 21st, 2011
3:25 pm

“When we come off the river July 30, I guess we’ll see what’s left standing”

Not if Paul has his way like he did last year… :-)

Logical Dude

July 21st, 2011
3:25 pm

“Not continuing a tax cut is not technically a tax increase,” he said.

Wow, according to ALL that I heard before. .. oh nevermind.
I just want them to get it done!

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
3:26 pm

Jay,
” do know I’m going fishing next week and will be totally out of touch with the real world beginning Saturday.
You have been totally out of touch with the real world much longer than that!!!

carlosgvv

July 21st, 2011
3:28 pm

“Totally out of touch with the real world” pretty much sums up our politicians in Washington.

josef

July 21st, 2011
3:29 pm

The thread…

Oh, hell, there’s been a deal cooked up all along…this has been nothing more than a PR stunt from the get-go and we’ve fallen for it 24/7. Ignore them and they’ll go away…

Logical Dude

July 21st, 2011
3:32 pm

josef: this has been nothing more than a PR stunt from the get-go

I hate when politicians play with the world economy that way! I don’t understand why any “side” has to “win”, when it’s the whole freakin country, and whole freakin world economy at stake.

They should just do what is right to move toward a balanced budget, then to pay off the debt. Yes, doing this requires MORE revenue (hate when some Republicans requested “Revenue neutral” solutions), and LESS spending (hate when democrats tried to take ANYTHING off the table).

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
3:34 pm

As you know its totally about politics now so don’t expect any plan that has even a shread of logic to it.
My position, as always, is don’t raise the debt limit….period.
Both sides have been spending and borrowing, but comparing what was done in the past and what Obama has done is like comparing my shower to Niagara Falls!!
STOP NOW!! live on what you take in!!
If it takes a 50% reduction in government ALL THE BETTER!!
Obama has grown government 20+ % in the last 3 years!!

Left wing management

July 21st, 2011
3:38 pm

“The president always talked about balance, that there had to be some fairness in this, that this can’t be all cuts,” Reid said. “There has to be a balance. There has to be some revenue and cuts. My caucus agrees with that. I hope that the president sticks with that. I’m confident that he will.”

I wish I could say that I was as confident as Reid claims to be.

He won’t. And you can take that to the bank, I’m afraid.

He’s as much as stated that he’s doing all this as part of a carefully orchestrated attempt to woo independent voters, who they’re convinced value deficit reduction highly.

Vote out the weasel in ‘12.

duckcheney

July 21st, 2011
3:40 pm

“deficits don’t matter”

now scuse me while I count the halliburton profits

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 21st, 2011
3:40 pm

The ins and out of political negotiations can lead a rational person to doubt their sensibilities….. I am sure it can make the right wingnuts even crazier too. Nothing is ever as it seems in political discussions. Until the details are announced, our sweating over details in nonsensical.

I find it telling of the craziness of the world that our own posting former commissioner claims to trust only himself and never to trust government…… Which means of course that because he was part of government, neither he nor anyone else should trust him by his “principles” which he parades out frequently. To paraphrase…we know he is a witch, because….

carlosgvv

July 21st, 2011
3:41 pm

old guy

I miss the days when the President had to share power. Now that Obama is an absolute ruler, he has grown our Govt. by 20% in the last three years, as you have pointed out with such intelligence.

Marie

July 21st, 2011
3:42 pm

Jay you really left yourself for Old Guy’s response — you had to know that was coming!! Harry Reid needs to go back to his Ivory Tower in the Ritz Carlton. He had 2 years to craft a budget and raise all the taxes he wanted to with that wild woman from San Fran. They didn’t but now they want the Republicans to blink and do what they would not. Grover Norquist is either drunk or stupid; letting the Bush tax cuts expire is a tax increase plain and simple. Even Obama said so back in Dec.,when he said it would not be a good idea to raise taxes during a recession; clearly referencing the Bush tax cuts which was up for debate during that time.

Normal

July 21st, 2011
3:42 pm

Off topic, but funny…

This

one is one of the best. From The

London Times:

A

Well-Planned Retirement

Outside

England ’s Bristol

Zoo there is a parking lot for 150

cars and 8 buses. For 25 years, its

parking fees were managed by a very pleasant

attendant. The fees were for cars, about

$1.40, for buses about $7.

Then,

one day, after 25 solid years of never missing a

day of work, he just didn’t show up; so

the Zoo Management called the City Council and

asked it to send them another parking

agent..

The Council did some

research and replied that the parking lot was

the Zoo’s own responsibility. The Zoo

advised the Council that the attendant was a

City employee. The City Council responded

that the lot attendant had never been on the

City

payroll.

Meanwhile,

sitting in his villa somewhere on the coast

of Spain is a man who’d apparently had

a
ticket machine installed

completely on his own; and then had simply begun

to show up every day, commencing to

collect and keep the parking fees, estimated at

about $560 per day — for 25 years.

Assuming 7 days a week,

this amounts to just over $7 million

dollars!
……
And

no one even knows his

name.

I think

this is my favorite E-Mail ever.

Jimmy62

July 21st, 2011
3:42 pm

If a politician tells me he’s going to cut something at a future date, I don’t believe him. If he tells me he’s going to raise taxes at a future date, then I mark it on the calendar with permanent marker, cuz it’s probably gonna happen. The only promises politicians keep are the ones that give them more money, more power, and more control, and none of that comes by cutting spending.

josef

July 21st, 2011
3:43 pm

JAY

BTW, will you be going back to “G-d’s Country?”

@@

July 21st, 2011
3:46 pm

So who the hell knows?

Maybe Obama will step in front of a microphone, YET AGAIN, to talk about some non-existent plan.

The whole thing’s become a comedy of errors. The American audience is ready to pull the plug on this production.

A ridiculous display.

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
3:47 pm

“Oh, hell, there’s been a deal cooked up all along…this has been nothing more than a PR stunt from the get-go and we’ve fallen for it 24/7. Ignore them and they’ll go away…”

Yeap, couldn’t agree with you more. Met with my financial guy last week and we pretty much agreed the same thing.

Oh, and josef from downstairs — agreed. :)

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
3:47 pm

I don’t know when Saxby is up again for election, but if he sponsors what it appears they are doing in the Gang of 6 he had better be ready for the primary of his life!! I have voted for him everytime he has run for anything and have talked to him many times in the past but my support (and money) will go to another Republican if he bales out Obama on the debt ceiling!!

wampum

July 21st, 2011
3:48 pm

Oldguy: “Both sides have been spending and borrowing, but comparing what was done in the past and what Obama has done is like comparing my shower to Niagara Falls!!”

You must not be old enough to remember what the debt was when Carter left office and what it had ballooned to under Bush, GW. And that was WITHOUT the worst recession since Roosevelt. But don’t let facts get in the way of your world view.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
3:52 pm

Carlos,
remember back in the old days when we had 3 EQUAL branches of government!! :-)

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
3:52 pm

“You must not be old enough to remember what the debt was when Carter left office and what it had ballooned to under Bush, GW. And that was WITHOUT the worst recession since Roosevelt. But don’t let facts get in the way of your world view.”

Didn’t Bush have to deal with something early in his presidency, I think it was pretty major, oh yeah, 9/11, the worst terrorist attack in American history… But that was his fault, right?

Adam

July 21st, 2011
3:53 pm

Rumor is that Eric Cantor cried and ran home, Boehner refused to eat the peas that Obama gave him, and Obama looked at everyone disapprovingly. Rumor also is that Biden laughed at them all and told a non-sequitor joke that no one laughed at.

Of course, these are just rumors ;)

josef

July 21st, 2011
3:53 pm

BOSCH

Oh, no, this IS getting scarey…twice in one day…what am I doing wrong? Will I have to forfeit my EOI card… :-)

NORMAL

Has he applied for APS?

josef

July 21st, 2011
3:55 pm

ADAM

There ya go, m’hijo! That was good… and folks thought you were too dull and serious!

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
3:56 pm

Wampum,
Count the wampum…. More debt in 3 years under Obama than 8 years under Bush; with a 2001-2002 recession and 2 new wars! And its only projected to go up even steeper if he gets what he wants!!

AmVet

July 21st, 2011
3:57 pm

“…but my support (and money) will go to another Republican…”

What a mixed message, oldguy! I suppose you could find another gutless, bumbling, POS incompetent to replace him, but for my money, that disgusting F-up is in a league of his own.

Now ask me what I really think of him!

Peadawg

July 21st, 2011
3:57 pm

“Rumors are it’s for $3 trillion in spending cuts, with revenue increases to be adopted later”

BINGO!

Let the gov’t prove to the American people and the world that they CAN cut spending. Then we’ll give them more money later! Perfect!!!

Patrick

July 21st, 2011
3:59 pm

“Rumor is that Eric Cantor cried and ran home, Boehner refused to eat the peas that Obama gave him, and Obama looked at everyone disapprovingly. Rumor also is that Biden laughed at them all and told a non-sequitor joke that no one laughed at”

And thus after many weeks of hand-wringing, the true story was finally spoke by Adam..

Perfect summary!

Thomas

July 21st, 2011
4:02 pm

“I do know I’m going fishing next week and will be totally out of touch with the real world……

ahhhhh- too easy

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:02 pm

Wampum,
I also remember 22% inflation under “Peanut Jimmy”! And a military unable to even mount a rescue mission against some radical Muslim students in Iran! Carter was about as inept as they come!!
I still think Billy Carter would have made a better president than Jimmy!!

Logical Dude

July 21st, 2011
4:04 pm

oldguy: More debt in 3 years under Obama than 8 years under Bush; with a 2001-2002 recession and 2 new wars!

That’s right! Obama put the wars IN THE BUDGET! Who’da thunk it?! Actually paying for what we do! What if Bush actually did that?

Thomas

July 21st, 2011
4:05 pm

Schapiro to Senate: Dodd-Frank Doomed Without More Money

Schapiro Tells Congress Dodd-Frank duties ‘cannot be achieved solely by wringing’ funds out of the existing budget

And we should start the clock at 4 years, 2 months, and 3 days until the next financial crisis as investment bankers figure out how to mix white and brown rice and create 17 types of various tranches of derivatives based on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world consumption. The Chinese will be the large buyers of the product with our regional banks the second largest holders.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:05 pm

OK Josef,
You got me…..whats an EOI card??? :-)

Fred

July 21st, 2011
4:06 pm

Damn, no one told me there was a new place to hang out at.

LWM: If you could be so kind, you you drop downstairs and answer my last post to you please? You piqued my curiosity………

Meh....

July 21st, 2011
4:06 pm

Jay, feel free to continue on the river…and over the waterfall! And do us all a favor and take Barry on your trip with you:)

wampum

July 21st, 2011
4:07 pm

“More debt in 3 years under Obama than 8 years under Bush; with a 2001-2002 recession and 2 new wars! And its only projected to go up even steeper if he gets what he wants!!”

The bulk of the deficit is due to Bush’s tax cuts. Three borrow-and-spend Republican presidents explode the national debt and blame the Democrat who inherited the mess. Take responsibility much?

Cutty

July 21st, 2011
4:08 pm

What would Bush’s deficit be if he had actually put those two wars, tax cuts, AND Medicare Part D in his actual budgets? Thoughts to ponder.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:08 pm

Logical,
20+% growth in descretionary spending??!!?? And in a recession!!
Thats political payoffs by the barrel!!

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:10 pm

Cutty,
How do you put tax cuts in a budget??

Doggone/GA

July 21st, 2011
4:12 pm

“How do you put tax cuts in a budget??”

Somebody apparently doesn’t undstand what “budgeting” means

MEGO

July 21st, 2011
4:12 pm

WOW!! Such raw emotions on display and for what?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 21st, 2011
4:13 pm

Jay, before I forget, enjoy the fishing….although other than to drink beer, I see no reason to sit in a boat (or stand in some river) waiting to feed some fish too lazy to work and get their own food. You’re just providing entitlements to fish!

MEGO

July 21st, 2011
4:13 pm

I found this article quite interesting………….http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/my-take-political-pledges-are-unbiblical-and-unchristian/

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:14 pm

Cutty,
What wars??? Obama promised to get us out of the wars remember?? they must be Obama wars!! + the new one in Libya!!

MEGO

July 21st, 2011
4:16 pm

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:18 pm

“Obama promised to get us out of the wars remember??”

I guess old guy has dementia because Obama did no such thing.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:18 pm

“The bulk of the deficit is due to Bush’s tax cuts.”

Completely and absolutely false statement with zero evidence whatsoever to support it in any way. LIE

schumpeter

July 21st, 2011
4:19 pm

Old guy @ 3:26 – that comment is way funnier that the picture of Mr Burns Jay posted yesterday

Normal @ 3:42 – lmao – as efficient a ‘redistribution’ of wealth as we’ll ever see. You do realize, however, that right here in the good old USA, as this is written, some fed/state/local agency someplace was effectively doing the same thing yesterday, is doing it right now, and will do it again tomorrow

Stooge Theory

July 21st, 2011
4:19 pm

Why does josef think he can refry my old posts about partisan posturing about the perennial debt deadline?

duckcheney

July 21st, 2011
4:20 pm

Obama got Osama – gwb did not

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:21 pm

“Obama got Osama – gwb did not”

We can thank waterboarding for locating Osama.

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:22 pm

“We can thank waterboarding for locating Osama.”

Actually, no, we can not. What was that you were saying about no evidence a while ago?

AmVet

July 21st, 2011
4:22 pm

“And a military unable to even mount a rescue mission against some radical Muslim students in Iran!”

And let me guess, you were there, and can tell me exactly what happened, right?

Why don’t you just go find those GIs graves and go spit on them.

Friggin’ 101st Chairborne shmucks…

Stooge Theory

July 21st, 2011
4:23 pm

Look, when Bush started World War Three by invading Iraq

Stooge Theory

July 21st, 2011
4:23 pm

well, he doomed our debt ceiling to being the issue in the year B4 the election.

duckcheney

July 21st, 2011
4:24 pm

But woodstock mike,

you rethugs know that gwb did not care about obl – watch and see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:24 pm

“Actually, no, we can not. What was that you were saying about no evidence a while ago?”

The evidence is classified, sorry Bosch.

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:25 pm

“The evidence is classified, sorry Bosch.”

Wow, Woodstock Mike, I didn’t know you had high level security clearance to know all that then.

:roll:

AmVet

July 21st, 2011
4:26 pm

“We can thank waterboarding for locating Osama.”

Maybe you and Dick Cheney can, but nonetheless it is utter nonsense, Mike.

Trust me, only the Bushbots ever bought into that garbage…

Stooge Theory

July 21st, 2011
4:26 pm

BUTT! (insert emoticon of guy mooning)

We have planted our flag in the 10K year old war between the Arabs and the Persians.

We’re going to spend some money is all I’m saying.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:27 pm

MarkV

July 21st, 2011
4:27 pm

“The bulk of the deficit is due to Bush’s tax cuts.”

WOODSTOCK MIKE @ 4:18 pm: Completely and absolutely false statement with zero evidence whatsoever to support it in any way. LIE

Not a LIE and not a false statement. At worst a statement that is cannot be precisely supported or denied by evidence. A large part of the deficit has been arguably caused by the bush policies and actions, which include the tax cut, and which has caused the depression, resulting in the deficit.

wampum

July 21st, 2011
4:28 pm

Woodstock Mike: Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.

http://www.offthechartsblog.org/what%E2%80%99s-driving-projected-debt/

Stooge Theory

July 21st, 2011
4:28 pm

So the debt ceiling is an illusion. And wall streets rally is about global expansion. and I believe in it. I mean, what is the 6 billion folks that live on the planet gonna do but improve their lives? Buy. Buy. Buy. Buy.

Bye.

jconservative

July 21st, 2011
4:28 pm

“Grover Norquist has made an interesting statement to the Post editorial board, stating point blank that a deal allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would not be considered a tax increase and thus not in violation of the pledge taken by so many Republicans.”

Breaking news: Eric Cantor – “Grover, say it ain’t so!”

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:29 pm

“But woodstock mike,

you rethugs know that gwb did not care about obl – watch and see”

If you want to give Obama the credit for killing Bin Laden than he also deserves some credit for the unemployment numbers…

@@

July 21st, 2011
4:31 pm

Whooaaaa, the left-wing blogs are on fire with the news.

Such an overly emotional bunch.

1811/0311

July 21st, 2011
4:33 pm

JAY:

And of course, “we’ll always have Paris won’t we?”

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure…. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America ’s debt limit.”

SENATOR BARACK OBAMA, D-Ill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o

Left wing management

July 21st, 2011
4:33 pm

Sure Fred, here’s the relevant argument concerning the “nuclear” 14th amendment option, as referred to recently by Bill Clinton. I’ll save keystrokes by linking here:

Having faced down the Republican House leadership during two government shutdowns when he was president — and having brought the country’s budget from the deep deficits left by Republican presidents to a projected surplus — Clinton is unimpressed by the GOP’s sudden enthusiasm for balanced budgets. But he never considered invoking the Fourteenth Amendment — which says “the validity of the US public debt shall not be questioned” – because the Republicans led by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich didn’t threaten to use the debt ceiling as a weapon in their budget struggles with him.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/20/138511612/bill-clinton-says-hed-raise-the-debt-ceiling-using-14th-amendment

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:33 pm

“If you want to give Obama the credit for killing Bin Laden than he also deserves some credit for the unemployment numbers…”

No, actually he doesn’t.

1811/0311

July 21st, 2011
4:33 pm

P.S.

Obama had it right then ……………….. and it’s right now.

Leadership failure

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:35 pm

“Woodstock Mike: Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.”

I wouldn’t believe every chart you can find on google…

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704738404575347302831199046.html

pogo

July 21st, 2011
4:38 pm

On the earlier topic Jay, well done. A well written piece on something that many will have to face sooner or later. There IS a real writer hiding in there somewhere. Time for a change?

josef

July 21st, 2011
4:39 pm

old guy

Equal Opportunity Instigator…founder and CEO, Paul… :-)

Stooge

Hmmm…under this alias, you’re news to me…under certain others? welll…

Left wing management

July 21st, 2011
4:39 pm

Fred, you do understand why this option would be almost unthinkable for a man such as Obama?

Unless I’m very wrong about, there is almost no way he would ever consider such a move as this which is as fundamentally radical as this would be. Barack Obama is almost as completely free of radicalism as any politician I’ve ever known of.

Note that if I’m wrong and if he did exercise this option, it would likely usher in a constitutional crisis including impeachment proceedings. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just can’t imagine Barack Obama ever even seriously entertaining something this radical.

wampum

July 21st, 2011
4:39 pm

Republicans: Johnny-come-lately’s to fiscal responsibility. Actually I doubt they really give a sheet. They just roll it out when the opposition is in power to score political points.

JohnnyReb

July 21st, 2011
4:40 pm

A teacher was doing a study testing the senses (taste) of first graders using a bowl of lifesavers.

The children began to identify the flavors by color:

Red……………………Cherry
Yellow……………….Lemon
Green………………..Lime
Orange……………..Orange

Finally the teacher gave them all HONEY lifesavers. After eating them, none of the children could identify the taste.

‘Well,’ she said, ‘I will give you a clue. It’s what your mother may sometimes call your father.’

One little girl looked up in horror, spit her lifesaver out and yelled, ‘Oh my God!! They’re ass-holes!

Happy blogging.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 21st, 2011
4:40 pm

Well, the rest of you can beleive there’s no tax increase coming if you want to.

Me, I’m laying in a stock of KY Jelly and greasing my sides so my pants will drop the same time I bend over. I just want the guvmint to be gentle. That’s all I ask. Just leave me a couple bucks in my paycheck so I can save up and get gas and maybe some Skoal and Redman.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:41 pm

Bosch,
“Obama got Osama – gwb did not”
And I thought Obama was just playing golf!! He was hunting Osama OOOHHH!
.p.s If you want to check my dementia just check the previously referenced NYT article about the Iraq war ….. UH…..

AmVet

July 21st, 2011
4:43 pm

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:45 pm

old guy,

The Iraq War is in the past tense, thanks to Obama — he said he’d bring it to an end, and he has. He NEVER promised to end Afghanistan. There in lies your dementia problem.

And to say Libya is a war is to spit on the graves of the soldiers who died in Iraq and Afghanistan or to spit in the face of those injured there. Your a disgrace old man.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:45 pm

Wampum, did you look at the link? Paints a little different picture, yes?

wampum

July 21st, 2011
4:46 pm

And I, Woodstock Mike, wouldn’t believe everything I read in Murdoch’s tabloids, particularly when the source is the tortured numbers of the Heritage Foundation.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:46 pm

Thanks Josef,
I still learn something new every day!!!
Now that’s all for today, no more learning !! :-)
Hope you are well.
Later….. Us rich old Republicans got to go take some food from the poor!!

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 21st, 2011
4:47 pm

“The Iraq War is in the past tense, thanks to Obama — he said he’d bring it to an end, and he has.”

Did Obama bring it to an end, could have sworn the Iraqi government had something to do with it?

md

July 21st, 2011
4:48 pm

“Ignore them and they’ll go away…”

Uh Jo…..I think ignoring them allowed for the current state of affairs………they were certainly ignoring everybody else……….

Stooge Theory

July 21st, 2011
4:48 pm

You know, now that I think about it….we’ve entered a whole new world….one that doesn’t deserve the successful opinions that populate the chat rooms and blogs which enrich those same bloggers because they understood early-on the value of hacking popular and entertaining comments on those same blogs. By turning their cyber-being into a biz, they have doomed themselves into following the “here comes everybody” 15-minutes-of-fame entrepreneurial bludgeoning of morality that has justified God’s promise not to use floods when he destroys the world again. (Remember that?)

I mean, who is THIS GUY? (GOD)

and how did he know, and why did I know?

I can safely ascribe three or four recent national advertising promotions by global corporations to word-for-word transcribing of comments that I myself have written over the years. So what. I dared them to steal it so that they would be considered the geniuses instead of the total stuntwankers they truly were and are. I dont care. I clearly told them that all they were doing was to set up a global situation where one person, (me?) with the right or wrong words, could save or destroy the world. What if I do manage to get six billion followers? Boy, could I say something, eh? Why would they listen to me? Because I forsaw a day when 25 words or less could save or destroy the world.

Go head. keep hacking. I can’t succeed unless you fools do.

jklol.

The wolf howls at midnight.

bwa

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:48 pm

Woodstock Mike,

As CIC, who ordered the troop levels down? You should really take a course on correlation and causation, or just get some therapy for your Obama hatred.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:49 pm

Stuff it Bosch!!
That’s from a Vietnam vet!!!

pogo

July 21st, 2011
4:49 pm

Sadly, these “negotiations” are being driven by Obama’s diving poll numbers and by the Republicans insane obsession with not at least entertaining tax increases a little bit.

The simple truth is that for those that depend upon the government are going to have to sacrifice and for those that work and pay taxes, they are going to have to sacrifice as well in the form of increased taxes. And that is just to keep us treading water. Without drastic amounts of both, we are going to eventually sink.

NONE of the politicians on the scene right now (on either side) have the guts or the fortitude to do what is right for this country because it is political suicide. Partisanship in this country is destroying us. We are doing it to ourselves and we are being “led” by people who only care about themselves and that have forgotten what they were supposed to in government for. A pox on all of them.

Bosch

July 21st, 2011
4:49 pm

“That’s from a Vietnam vet!!”

Then you should know better old man. You are a disgrace to the uniform.

wampum

July 21st, 2011
4:51 pm

Good one Johnny Reb. And, Al, I’d love to see you all greased up till your pants fall down.Heehee.

oldguy

July 21st, 2011
4:52 pm

Any time any place Bosch

md

July 21st, 2011
4:54 pm

“The Iraq War is in the past tense, thanks to Obama — he said he’d bring it to an end, and he has”

For the record…this must be some of that revisionist history. If I recall, Bush set up the withdrawal agreement with the Iraqis…..and Obama is following it through.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 21st, 2011
4:54 pm

AmVet… how silly….why just look outside at the amount of snow and you can see there is no such thing as global warming…..oh wait…dangnabbit.

pogo

July 21st, 2011
4:55 pm

Amvet. WHAT?

Fred

July 21st, 2011
4:56 pm

LWM: I don’t understand WHAT option you are referring to. Just give me a clue at least lol. The 14th amendment has 5 sections and I don’t see where any of the apply………..

Jm

July 21st, 2011
4:56 pm

I’m sure this is well known already, but no deal. Dens are holding the deal hostage and risking the bankruptcy of this country out of ideological insanity.

@@

July 21st, 2011
4:57 pm

Howzitgoin, PoliFore?

md

July 21st, 2011
4:58 pm

So now the fact that it is still hot in the summer is evidence of Global Warming……….thanks for the chuckle………….