GOP strategy premised on non-existent support

Another day, another poll showing that the House GOP, while in line with its base, is badly out of touch with the American mainstream.

The latest is from NBC/Wall Street Journal, and as the National Journal describes it:

“Asked to choose between Obama’s proposal, “which would reduce the federal deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade by cutting federal spending, increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and reducing the level of spending on Medicare,” or the Republicans’ proposal to “reduce the federal deficit by $2.5 trillion over the next decade by cutting federal spending and would not raise taxes on corporations or the wealthy,” respondents choose Obama’s plan by a 58-to-36-percent margin.

Asked whether Democrats should accept cuts to Medicare and Social Security in order to forge a deal, just 38 percent of Americans want them to agree to those conditions. But asked whether Republicans should accept higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy if that was the only way to strike a deal, 62 percent of Americans say the GOP should accept that.”

To be more precise, 38 percent believe the Democrats should compromise by allowing cuts to Medicare and Social Security. However, 52 percent oppose such a compromise.

Only 27 percent say the Republicans should continue to refuse to compromise on higher taxes, while 62 percent support such a compromise.

The GOP strategy, in other words, is premised on public support that does not exist.

– Jay Bookman

496 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
10:30 am

Kamchak

July 20th, 2011
10:31 am

Another day, another poll showing that the House GOP, while in line with its base, is badly out of touch with the American mainstream.

How is that “purity pledge” thingie working out for ya?

Rally

July 20th, 2011
10:31 am

Watch out if Michelle Bachman comes out for a compromise on taxes and rescues the world from the consequences of the debt ceiling impasse.

willie lynch

July 20th, 2011
10:32 am

“Jay, that’s just a poll”. “Any poll can be manipulated”. Blah blah blah. These numbers don’t matter to the GOP base those people seem to think they are the only Americans.

Paul

July 20th, 2011
10:32 am

“The GOP strategy, in other words, is premised on public support that does not exist.”

“Age of Delusion” it is –

Wanna bet we’ll get a few posters who say “but I support it, so… so… lots of people must support it.” (They may or may not add a line about Obama and socialism).

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
10:35 am

Asked whether Democrats should accept cuts to Medicare and Social Security in order to forge a deal, just 38 percent of Americans want them to agree to those conditions.

And yet Obama and Serious Democrats continue to jam their fingers in their ears and say “la la la I can’t hear you… Austerity! it’s the path to Victory!”

Makes me ill, it does.

md

July 20th, 2011
10:35 am

Well…i support it, so lots of others must also…..that darned socialist Obama……..

Fletch

July 20th, 2011
10:37 am

stands for decibels – “And yet Obama and Serious Democrats and Republicans, and partisan hacks , and all politicians in general continue to jam their fingers in their ears and say “la la la I can’t hear you… Austerity! it’s the path to Victory!”

Makes me ill, it does.

Got that fixed for you. :)

Jimmy62

July 20th, 2011
10:38 am

That poll is predicated on Obama’s plan having actual real cuts. If people realized those cuts are in the out years and will be revoked by politicians long before they come in to effect, then they might have a different opinion, but since media folks like Jay, as well as Obama himself, aren’t tell the whole story, the polls aren’t very useful.

deegee

July 20th, 2011
10:39 am

What matters is what 100% of the K Street lobbyists support. To heck with what you or I support.

Fletch

July 20th, 2011
10:39 am

Jimmy62 – “If people realized those cuts are in the out years and will be revoked by politicians long before they come in to effect, then they might have a different opinion,”

Hmmm….Sounds like the recent Gang of Six proposal. Must be more of that Saxby Chambliss trying to get Obama re-elected.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
10:41 am

“The GOP strategy, in other words, is premised on public support that does not exist.”

but … but … but … Scout said that the House of Reps should listen to the peeeeeeeple!

you think he’ll still say that when he reads the above???

Mighty Righty

July 20th, 2011
10:42 am

38% is under whelming.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
10:43 am

“Austerity! it’s the path to Victory!””

yeah, it’s doing wonders for our economy, let me tell ya

Paul

July 20th, 2011
10:43 am

Jimmy62

You might want to cite the plan or an analysis of it to back up your assertions such as “If people realized those cuts are in the out years”

“Under the Gang of Six plan — put together by three Democrats and three Republicans — $500 billion in budget savings would be immediately imposed,”

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/20/debt.talks/

You do realize that every Republican plan relies on outyear savings to reduce the deficit, don’t you?

@@ – you are correct. I did suggest to a blogger that he substantiate his assertions. No apologies.

Neon Frog

July 20th, 2011
10:44 am

How is that Punt, Pass, and Kick the Can stategy workin’ out for ya GOPers?

NIght Train

July 20th, 2011
10:45 am

Anyone that believes the spending cuts will happen “over the next decade” is a fool!

Tax now, cut later!

Guess what, later never comes! Just more taxes.

getalife

July 20th, 2011
10:45 am

The gop think their cons are all the American people.

Just another gop lie.

Paul

July 20th, 2011
10:45 am

Jimmy62

Or do you reject the Ryan Plan and all other Republican plans because they rely on outyear savings? If that’s the case, do you have cut suggestions for the 2012 budget that will eliminate the FY 2012 projected deficit and provide funding to pay down the debt?

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
10:46 am

“GOP strategy premised on non-existent support”

Help! I know there is a jock strap joke in there somewhere and I can’t
get it just right….

Paul

July 20th, 2011
10:50 am

Granny

“I know there is a jock strap joke in there somewhere and I can’t
get it just right…”

That’s ’cause there’s nothing to put in it -

Lord Help Us

July 20th, 2011
10:50 am

GG, a jock strap to hold the GOP jewels is like Dolly Parton’s bra on my sister in law…

Common Sense

July 20th, 2011
10:51 am

And how does Bush’s budget for this year compare to this year’s expenses?

Because any rational person knows that what they say will happen in years down the road bears absolutely no relationship to what the budget was five years earlier.

Budget cuts in future years are just smoke and mirrors.

Cujt the spending now.

josef

July 20th, 2011
10:51 am

Oh, for the love of G-d, a pox on both their houses unto the seventh generation! I know this is the same kind of wrangling that goes with the territory and is part and parcel of the political process, but like some would say, “keep it behind closed doors.” The old saw about “making sausages” is true and I suppose we do need an education in it all, but I prefer my kielbasa served cooked with a side of saurkraut. Let me know when dinner’s ready, Granpa…

Tommy

July 20th, 2011
10:51 am

Perhaps the American public is fed up with whittled down public services (and hundreds of thousands unemployed government workers) thanks to the Con’s policies.

jt

July 20th, 2011
10:54 am

Yea………………well.
We need more politicians such as Robespierre.
He did the nation’s dirty work, and then had the decency to live, or not live, by his own political machine……………..no overpaid pension.
.
And Jay………you have nothing to fear from America’s patriots.
As we speak, they are saving your future.

carlosgvv

July 20th, 2011
10:58 am

How is it that these GOP politicians do not seem to realize that the voters don’t support them? How do they plan to get re-elected? Mabye they think that God will provide?

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
10:58 am

Paul and Lord Help Us

Thanks….I knew it was there somewhere.

some guy

July 20th, 2011
10:59 am

Jay, You really have an unhealthy fixation on the House GOP. Every column is House GOP this and House GOP that. Jay find some balance and maybe focus on some other group I am sure the Democrats are not perfect and could use some attention.

RF

July 20th, 2011
11:00 am

Bachmann, et. al. are speaking for a portion of people and trying to convince the entire conservative population that they should drink the Kool-Aid and join them. In reality, they are still the far right and don’t represent the true “will of the people.” When the dog wakes up and realizes how foolish he looks letting his tail wag him, maybe the republicans will be able to get something done. They have to see the divisions in their party and find some way to work with them, instead of pretending that the entire country is one big Tea Party rally waiting to happen.

Let’s suppose for just an instant, that in 12 the republicans win the WH and the senate back. How will the current fighting and bickering improve? The party is so fractured, they still won’t get anything done. Even the reasonable plans Boehner tried to support were refused in the house by Cantor and his gang. Until the republican party can find some balance, we’re doomed.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:00 am

Only polls with any value are fishing poles and stripper poles!!!!!

md

July 20th, 2011
11:01 am

“but I prefer my kielbasa served cooked with a side of saurkraut.”

I like mine like this:

http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1826,150178-246204,00.html

With a good helping of horseradish mustard for dipping……….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 20th, 2011
11:03 am

Brosephus…what? You left off the 10-ft poking pole…as in “I wouldn’t touch that with a 10-ft pole”

Neon Frog

July 20th, 2011
11:04 am

md
July 20th, 2011
11:01 am

Hope your health insurance covers triple bypass surgery! :)

theyeshaveit

July 20th, 2011
11:05 am

If the GOP really thinks that it is “in touch” with Americans, just run Bachmann and find out.

josef

July 20th, 2011
11:05 am

jt

O-si-yo!

Robespierre, eh? No room for a Danton here, though, is there? :-)

getalife

July 20th, 2011
11:06 am

Thirteen more days until our President signs a clean debt limit bill at the last minute to not default.

Americans are sick of it already.

Bosch

July 20th, 2011
11:06 am

md,

Do you like sauerkraut? A good way to fix it is to wash all the salty brine off of it and cook it in bacon grease and add some sauteed onions and potatoes and the bacon you cooked for the grease, plus add some fresh dill at the end.

Good stuff.

theyeshaveit

July 20th, 2011
11:06 am

Brosephus,

And the GOP seems to want to do a pole vault. :-)

md

July 20th, 2011
11:06 am

nf……..can’t eat it all the time…..but sometimes one just has to eat because it tastes good……

The Doc actually told me I could eat anything I wanted…….as long as it doesn’t taste good.

That means tree bark for the most part………..

AmVet

July 20th, 2011
11:06 am

“But asked whether Republicans should accept higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy if that was the only way to strike a deal, 62 percent of Americans say the GOP should accept that.”

Brought to you by your friends at the Dumbing Down Corporation.

Where our motto is, “Make sacrifices and help a billionaire today.”

theyeshaveit

July 20th, 2011
11:07 am

I guess that should be poll vault.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:07 am

Keep

We’re in the widest and deepest segment of Sh*t Creek. A 10-ft pole is of no value unless you just wanna splash sh*t around….. :)

Jimmy62

July 20th, 2011
11:07 am

Yes, I know all the plans have most of their cuts in the out years. Y’all act like that’s a good thing, but it’s not. When was the last time you saw a politician of any party suggest a cut for 4 years from now, and then it actually happened? All their promises come with expiration dates, and that date is usually the day after the next election, when they either get reelected or lose.

As far as cuts that we could do right now… No one can balance the budget in one year, but actually passing one would be a good start. When was the last time a budget was passed? Over two years ago, even though they are legally required to pass one each year.

But here’s a suggestion for a start. Completely cut the Department of Education, which, by any objective measure, has utterly failed. Since it was formed in the 70’s, it has presided over continually worsening education results in this country. Why would anyone want to keep those failures around? And cut 5% from EVERYTHING else. I read today a study where they found that less than 1% of federal government workers ever lose their jobs. More die than get fired, whereas at least 3% get fired in the private sector. Something tells me the government carries a lot of dead weight. So cut the dead weight. And change the departmental budgeting procedures. The way they are right now, if you save money, then you get a smaller budget the next year, but if you waste money, and spend every penny available to you, then you get a bigger budget the next year. The entire system incentivizes the government to waste money.

None of the bills being proposed are going to do a damn thing to fix the debt. Every single one of them will leave us in a much worse position in a decade, rather than moving us towards sensible spending policies.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:08 am

eyes

I think they’ve all done a poll vault… Where else can you have a 20% favorable rating and keep your job???

md

July 20th, 2011
11:08 am

“Do you like sauerkraut?”

Absolutely…..but usually on a bun with my beer brats………..

Fletch

July 20th, 2011
11:09 am

some guy – “Jay, You really have an unhealthy fixation on the House GOP. Every column is House GOP this and House GOP that.”

They do it to themselves by making every single move a political issue that MUST be addressed, while at the same time trying to run the other side into the ground. I’ll put it this way, how easy would it be to ignore a guy who jumped into your office every 5 minutes screaming ” I’M THE GREATEST F@$%&R HERE!!!!!”

Bosch

July 20th, 2011
11:09 am

“Completely cut the Department of Education”

Yeah, and then watch Jimmy complain about the unemployment rising.

theyeshaveit

July 20th, 2011
11:10 am

Brosephus,

Speaking of jobs, I gotta run.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
11:10 am

md – 11:08 – dammit man, that’s making me drool!

josef

July 20th, 2011
11:10 am

Brosephus…
I’m with good fight…give me a poking pole…Kinda fond of the ones from Warsaw, too, though!

md

Looks good…keep the mustard, though, just give me the horseradish straight…

Bosch

July 20th, 2011
11:11 am

md,

I think people are usually turned off on sauerkraut because of the brine it soaks in — if you wash that off, it makes a good base for lots of dishes. I use it to make a version of Irish Colcannon – ham, cabbage and potatoes/onions — God, now I’m starving.

Jimmy62

July 20th, 2011
11:14 am

Bosch: I’m perfectly capable of distinguishing between public employment and private. You must be projecting your own limited vision on others.

Peter

July 20th, 2011
11:17 am

GOP wants to cut the services American’s have already paid in for like Social Security, and Medicare, but since they robbed both, to pay for a made up Iraq War, they want to cut these services to typical American’s, and not increase taxes for the very rich.

They are not cutting the Military budget to play World Police are they ?

The Very Rich don’t need Social Security, or medicare….. so screw the typical American says the Republicans !

Funny all the guys voting for the cuts in Congress the House are already Rich, and they have life time benefits we pay for…….so they frankly don’t care…….this is not Governing for the people by the people.

The Republican’s would have it for the Rich, by the Rich !

josef

July 20th, 2011
11:18 am

Saurkraut….?

I make my own…you can have that stuff from the store!

Jimmy62

July 20th, 2011
11:20 am

Peter: Actually the money a current retiree put in to SS was paid out to the previous generation of retirees. That was a deal you are willing to take. Since most people under 40 don’t think there will be anything left for them, it strikes us as an amazingly bad deal. And since Obama revealed that the concept of some sort of lockbox or SS trust fund is a complete fabrication, we have even less reason to think we’ll ever get a penny from SS.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:20 am

less than 1% of federal government workers ever lose their jobs

Jimmy62

If you’re gonna quote a study, then at least quote it correctly and in it’s entirety…

Federal employees’ job security is so great that workers in many agencies are more likely to die of natural causes than get laid off or fired, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Death — rather than poor performance, misconduct or layoffs — is the primary threat to job security at the Environmental Protection Agency, the Small Business Administration, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Office of Management and Budget and a dozen other federal operations.

The federal government fired 0.55% of its workers in the budget year that ended Sept. 30 — 11,668 employees in its 2.1 million workforce. Research shows that the private sector fires about 3% of workers annually for poor performance, says John Palguta, former research chief at the federal Merit Systems Protection Board, which handles federal firing disputes.

Turnover minimal at
federal agencies
Federal departments or agencies employing 1,000 or more that had the lowest rates of firing or laying off employees in the year ending Sept. 30, 2010:

Employees Laid off or fired

Federal Communications Commission 1,832 0

Federal Trade Commission 1,189 0

Nuclear Regulatory Commission 4,211 2

National Labor Relations Board 1,714 1

National Aeronautics and Space Administration 18,671 13

Environmental Protection Agency 18,742 19

U.S. Agency for International Development 3,376 4

Securities and Exchange Commission 3,917 5

Small Business Administration 4,019 6

Department of Housing and Urban Development 10,041 15

Source: Office of Personnel Management
The 1,800-employee Federal Communications Commission and the 1,200-employee Federal Trade Commission didn’t lay off or fire a single employee last year. The SBA had no layoffs, six firings and 17 deaths in its 4,000-employee workforce.

When job security is at a premium, the federal government remains the place to work for those who want to avoid losing a job. The job security rate for all federal workers was 99.43% last year and nearly 100% for those on the job more than a few years.

Focusing on firing is only part, and a very tiny part, of federal turnover. Far more quit or leave the government and go into the private sector where they make more money.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.t04.htm/

The government does carry dead weight, but no more or less than what the private sector does. The government does, however, carry a much more educated and skilled workforce. That’s two things you need for a more dependable and productive workforce, education and skills.

josef

July 20th, 2011
11:21 am

BROSEPHUS

“The Republican’s would have it for the Rich, by the Rich ” –PAUL

Cue the marionettes, eh?

Jimmy62

July 20th, 2011
11:21 am

Peter: Also, the unfounded liabilities of social security and medicare DWARF the total spend on Iraq and Afghanistan. But why let facts get in your way? It’s much more fun to mindlessly rant. I’m surprised you didn’t throw in a “Bush is evil” and “It’s all Palin’s fault” in there.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 20th, 2011
11:21 am

brosephus…Well there you go, you need the “10-pole” extender and paddle set…for when you’re in the creek and discover your paddle is missing. As seen on TV. Order now and you’ll get a set of ginzu knives to help cut through it too.

Paul

July 20th, 2011
11:22 am

Jimmy62

It’s a start.

But the DOE budget is $77billion. Pell grants comprise $29 billion of that.

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget12/summary/edlite-section1.html

five percent cut in other agencies does not come close, heck, it’s not even in the same state, to generating savings to eliminate the debt And those cuts are single-year, aren’t they? So what gets cut next year to generate over a trillion dollars in savings?

My problem with across the board cuts: that assumes every program is equally important and it’s impossible to justify cutting more from one program than from another.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:24 am

“Completely cut the Department of Education”

Yeah, and then watch Jimmy complain about the unemployment rising.

Bosch

Why do you think they want Obama to do it instead of doing it when the GOP had total government control? Easier to bash a baby seal with a bat than it is to bash mama or papa seal… From 2001-2007 when the GOP had complete control over the government, they could have shut down any agency they didn’t think was worth it. What did they do instead, they created a new agency!!! I love the logic…

josef

July 20th, 2011
11:24 am

Brosephus
@ 11:20

NASA, EPA and HUD?

Tells you something, doesn’t it?

Paul

July 20th, 2011
11:25 am

Jimmy62

Generation back, people thought SS wouldn’t be there for them, either. But it is. SS isn’t that big a problem. Adjusting the inflation calculator, maybe an age adjustment to take effect in ten or twenty years oughta do it. Medicare/Medicaid’s another problem. But if people who think they won’t be there for them would get behind these reforms, then they will be there.

Uncle Jed

July 20th, 2011
11:27 am

Did I hear someone say that lowering tax rates wouldn’t increase revenue?
Did I hear someone say that cuts to entitlements were a non-starter?

To hear Obama now jump on the “Inevitable Train” is laughable, albeit typical. Choo-Choo!!

…Obama called the plan by the Gang of Six senators “broadly consistent” with his own approach to the current debt ceiling crisis because it mixes tax changes, entitlement reforms and spending reductions.

…Under the Gang of Six plan, $500 billion in budget savings would be immediately imposed, with marginal income tax rates reduced and the controversial alternative minimum tax ultimately abolished.

The plan would create three tax brackets with rates from 8% to 12%, 14% to 22%, and 23% to 29% — part of a new structure designed to generate an additional $1 trillion in revenue. It would require cost changes to Medicare’s growth rate formula, as well as $80 billion in Pentagon cuts….

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And in case you didn’t figure it out on your own, the Cut, Cap, and Balance vote was brilliant. Everybody knew it wouldn’t clear the Senate, but it gave needed cover for 2012. Touchdown!

In contrast, the GOP’s “cut, cap and balance” plan was widely acknowledged to have virtually no chance of clearing the Democratic-controlled Senate or overcoming a promised presidential veto. Tuesday’s vote allowed Republicans to clearly demonstrate their preference for steps favored by many in the tea party movement even as their leadership seeks a middle ground with Democrats.
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Stay tuned for something you need to know about Progressive Insurance. Operative word: Progressive.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:27 am

Keep

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m perfectly capable of distinguishing between public employment and private. You must be projecting your own limited vision on others.

Oh my freaking god!!!
Whoop-de-doo…. You can distinguish between the two. Is there a different unemployment number for private and public sector workers? NO!! Is there different unemployment benefits for public and private sector workers? NO!! Does the market react different when unemployment goes up due to public or private sector workers getting laid off? NO!! So, obviously your distinguishing the difference doesn’t amount to the height of ant testicles from the ground in the grand scheme of things….

Peter

July 20th, 2011
11:28 am

Maybe this is so………Peter: Also, the unfounded liabilities of social security and medicare DWARF the total spend on Iraq and Afghanistan.

But it sure makes me believe even more so, given this fact, that the previous administration, and Republican’s in general don’t care about a balanced budget, or the little guy !

TaxPayer

July 20th, 2011
11:29 am

It appears as though the Republicans are at a crossroads. To the left, there’s 50 to 60+ percent support for fiscal sanity and to the right, there’s the tea party led by Grover, et al, and their 20 to 30 percent loyal followers. That’s a tough one.

Normal

July 20th, 2011
11:30 am

For lunch: One texas slab of rye bread, one pound of corned beef, one pound of sauerkraut, and one pound of Swiss cheese. New York style Reuben. Yummy

Peter

July 20th, 2011
11:31 am

Hey Jimmy62 This comment…….

Peter: Also, the unfounded liabilities of social security and medicare DWARF the total spend on Iraq and Afghanistan.

Didn’t Bush tell us the Iraq War was to cost American’s $400 Billion ?

What became the real cost to the Wars ?

ty webb

July 20th, 2011
11:32 am

sorry guys, but slaw kicks sauerkraut’s butt.

Normal

July 20th, 2011
11:33 am

“slaw kicks sauerkraut’s butt.”

Only to wimps! :D

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:33 am

josef

Some of those areas benefit because of the low turnover.

Take my job for example:

You spend almost 5 months in the academy learning the job. Then there’s 2-3 months of OJT to get you familiar with your specific port of entry’s operating procedures. You’re just about done with your first year before you even begin to process passengers on your own.

Now when it comes to processing passengers, unless your a psychology major or have previous law enforcement and interviewing skills, it takes about 6 months to begin to be able to read people thru the answers they’re giving you. You end up well into your 3rd year before you can begin to make accurate analysis on people within a 2 minute interaction. That’s just primary processing.

I’ve been doing secondary processing for 2 years, and I’m still developing skills needed for that environment. I work with people who have been doing it for 10-15 years, and there’s things that I do that they’ve never thought of, as well as there’s things I learn from them.

And with all that, people want a lot of turnover?? That’s what’s wrong with the private sector, too much turnover.

Fletch

July 20th, 2011
11:34 am

Peter – “What became the real cost to the Wars ?”

Nothing. Remember, they weren’t on the books. They only “officially” started when Obama took office because he foolishly began accounting for them.

If he could learn anything from the GOP it should be to HIDE the liabilities while PUBLICLY chastising your opponent..

Paul

July 20th, 2011
11:38 am

Brosephus

Read or had any information in training about the Israeli/El Al system of screening passengers?

My understanding it it would take more personnel to implement here, plus anything hinting at ‘profiling’ is a political no-no.

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
11:39 am

most people under 40 don’t think there will be anything left for them

Most? think there will be NOTHING left of SS when they retire?

Cite, please.

Uncle Jed

July 20th, 2011
11:41 am

A few pull-quotes from the National Journal article Jay cited:

As in other surveys released this week, the poll shows Americans warming to raising the debt ceiling. A slight plurality now favors raising the debt ceiling (38 percent for, 31 percent against), a stark turnaround from last month, when just 28 percent of Americans thought Congress should raise the debt limit.

While Obama’s proposals are more popular with Americans, there is political peril for each side in intransigence. Asked whom they would blame if the debt ceiling is not raised and the country defaults, nearly equal percentages assign responsibility to Congressional Republicans (39 percent) and Obama (35 percent).

And the debate, combined with a sluggish economic recovery, is taking its toll on broader measures of Obama’s job performance. Obama’s approval rating (47 percent approve to 48 percent disapproval) is underwater for the first time this year. And just 25 percent of Americans say the country is headed in the right direction — a new low-water mark of Obama’s presidency.

Among registered voters, a generic Republican (39 percent) trails Obama (42 percent) by just three points — the smallest gap since the NBC News/Wall Street Journal polling team began asking the question in February.

deegee

July 20th, 2011
11:41 am

Slaw is to sauerkraut as Bud Light lime is to Guinness. If you cook the sauerkraut with a slice of apple it reduces the acidity.

getalife

July 20th, 2011
11:43 am

We need more Johnny Marbles .

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
11:43 am

dB –

my best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who think Social Security isn’t going to be there for them … I guess it’s pretty serious.

Uncle Jed

July 20th, 2011
11:44 am

Lime is to beer (any beer) as makeup is to an ugly woman. Sorry gals ;-)

md

July 20th, 2011
11:46 am

With 14 trillion and counting, you folks are worried about SS? Might want to worry about bread………

Don’t remember the bread lines when the USSR defaulted?? And don’t think for a minute it can’t happen here………all it takes is our bankers to say no…………..for whatever reason.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 20th, 2011
11:46 am

May want to check other polls before you go to the bank with that one.

D. Richard

July 20th, 2011
11:47 am

Jimmy62 – probably say “it’s all Palin’s fault”? How could that possibly be? She hasn’t CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING so she is not responsible for anything. I bet you’re one of those people getting all tingly in your shorts waiting for her to announce her candidacy for President. Guess what sucker, ain’t gonna happen.

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
11:47 am

That’s nothing, UnU, yesterday I learned that 99 out of 100 small biness owners believe Obama is responsible for financial disaster.

ty webb

July 20th, 2011
11:47 am

And I also prefer Bud light lime(though it’s not my favorite beer) to Guinness(yeah, I prefer my beer to actualy be in liquid form)

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:48 am

Paul

You’re talking at least a four-fold increase in security personnel at a minimum. Israel has one airport to protect. We have up near 500 commercial airports (I think) that have daily service. Their security starts before you even get to the airport. Do you think people here would stand for a security checkpoint miles away from the airport?

As far as the profiling, that’s definitely a minefield that nobody wants to run through. The downside to profiling is that there is no definite profile for a terrorist here. People like to use the Middle Eastern view, but then you have blonde haired and blue eyed Jihad Jane, for starters, who would walk through such profiling without as much as a look.

Uncle Jed

July 20th, 2011
11:48 am

And some continue to clamor for Government Run Healthcare?!?

Falling mail volume and soaring red ink may soon doom Saturday mail delivery and prompt three-day-a-week delivery within 15 years, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe warns.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
11:49 am

“yesterday I learned that 99 out of 100 small biness owners believe Obama is responsible for financial disaster.”

MWA-hahahahahaha!!!

our evil plan is working!!!

Paul

July 20th, 2011
11:51 am

Brosephus

Thanks.

Current system seems… disconnected from reality. Pretty reactive. This issue of ‘have to be fair and treat everybody the same’ could use examination. I wonder what the policy would be if it was based on a hard-nosed analysis devoid of political sensitivities.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:53 am

Paul

July 20th, 2011
11:53 am

Uncle Jed

“And some continue to clamor for Government Run Healthcare?!?”

“Social Security check, payments to military personnel and other gov’t employees have nearly a 100% on time rate.”

How bout this. We don’t ask the post office to treat patients, we won’t ask doctors to deliver mail, ‘k?

RB from Gwinnett

July 20th, 2011
11:54 am

Gee… Does anybody expect the 47% who pay no taxes to give a crap if the feds raise tax rates on the other 53% to keep their free ride free?

Sick of the stupid a$$ polls, Jay. You may as well ask the people in line at Wendy’s if they’re for a plan to make fries free at all fast food restaurants. You’ve given peoople the ability to vote themselves a free ride at the expense of others and they’re taking it. AND, you have idiots like Obama fueling the whole thing with his millionaires and billionairs are evil bull$hit. Utterly PATHETIC.

Left wing management

July 20th, 2011
11:54 am

People Still Support Higher Taxes to Reduce the Deficit by a 2-to-1 Margin

From Bruce Bartlett (you know, the Reagan guy)

http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2322/people-still-support-higher-taxes-reduce-deficit-2-1-margin

Uncle Jed

July 20th, 2011
11:54 am

Reports: US drone shot down over Iran nuke site
Lawmaker claims unmanned spy plane was gathering information about the plant
+++++++++++++++++++++

If I were an Iranian nuke facility worker I would be scheduling my 2012 vacation for the month of October ;-)

ty webb

July 20th, 2011
11:55 am

Brosephus,
7.2%! indeed it is!

Mick

July 20th, 2011
11:57 am

In this moment in political theater, michele bachman is the front runner of the “paul ryan budget to nowhere” republican party. Just to add insult to injury they conjure up a plan to sabotage US credit for an iced tea party that is so cold, nobody knows why they are even a consideration. Yes, that party sure has some competent leadership, it’s enough to give anyone a headache….which just might fell their leader…

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
11:58 am

Paul

I couldn’t agree more about the reactive as opposed to the proactive, but there are changes coming. Here’s an interesting read about changes in the visa process.

The multilayered, multifaceted and multinational security system that has been constructed to protect the United States from terrorists led to denial of visas to 2.2 million of 9 million foreign applicants last year, according to data presented Wednesday to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

An additional 2,600 individuals with outstanding visas for the United States were identified by the National Targeting Center run by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) as having new derogatory information developed about them. That information was passed on to airlines with a recommendation that these high-risk individuals not be permitted to board U.S.-bound aircraft.

I think we finally have people who realize it’s better to be proactive as opposed to planning responses for after the event type things. I’ve seen some changes for the good in my short time behind the curtain, and I hope things continue to progress. As long as politicians can keep their egos in check and stay above the fray, I think we’ll see some fundamental changes in our approach to security in the future.

Kamchak

July 20th, 2011
11:58 am

my best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who think Social Security isn’t going to be there for them … I guess it’s pretty serious.

Well, my broker is E.F. Hutton and E.F. Hutton says….

Shovel Ready Jobs and other Tales

July 20th, 2011
11:59 am

Does the poll ask respondents how they feel about the national debt, according to the CBO, tripling in 10 years? Jay, just how is that going to be paid for? You want me to pay higher taxes?