House GOP sacrifices progress for purity

By any rational measure, House Republicans were on the verge of a major accomplishment a couple of weeks ago.

Even though they held control of only one legislative chamber, they had backed President Obama into proposing a $4 trillion deficit-reduction package, including more than $3 trillion in spending reductions over the next decade. Enacted into law, it would have easily been the largest budget-cutting package in U.S. history. All they had to do was say yes.

But they could not bring themselves to utter that word.

Their victory, you see, must be absolute and total or it is not victory at all. A “win-win” outcome — fine for liberals and RINO pansies — is insufficiently decisive to those who feel morally obligated to turn politics into scorched-earth warfare. They are Harry Truman demanding unconditional surrender from Imperial Japan.

And they have the Bomb.

As a result, a historically significant reduction in the federal deficit and in once-untouchable entitlement programs had to be rejected, because in their minds its purity was tainted by an increase in taxes on the wealthiest of Americans.

In his latest column, David Brooks assesses the messianic radicals of the GOP with brutal clarity:

“They do not see politics as the art of the possible. They do not believe in seizing opportunities to make steady, messy progress toward conservative goals. They believe that politics is a cataclysmic struggle. They believe that if they can remain pure in their faith then someday their party will win a total and permanent victory over its foes. They believe they are Gods of the New Dawn.”

Well, they’re not.

– Jay Bookman

621 comments Add your comment

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
9:47 am

“they had backed President Obama into proposing a $4 trillion deficit-reduction package”

Jay, I have never seen any details regarding this “proposal.” Do you have a link?

Thanks.

Thomas

July 19th, 2011
9:47 am

This is all about the cameras and popularity. DC has become the new reality tv show.

If all the media left and went to focus on something else misfit toyland would majically come up with a plan.

stranger in a strange land

July 19th, 2011
9:52 am

chum’s in the water eveyone…let the games begin

with all due respect to Mr Brooks – he has an opinion to which he is entitled, but those hyperbolic renders his opinion meaningless – in my opinion.

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
9:52 am

Purity Like Ronald Reagan?

They not only sacrificed progress, they sacrificed their credibility.

The GOP really blew it.

getalife

July 19th, 2011
9:55 am

Down goes the dark side.

Keep the spotlight on them.

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
9:56 am

Re: David Brooks, gentle-souled moderates always view radicals with a mixture of disdain and horror.

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
9:58 am

A “win-win” outcome — fine for liberals and RINO pansies — is insufficiently decisive to those who feel morally obligated to turn politics into scorched-earth warfare.

Why Jay, how shrill.

Jefferson

July 19th, 2011
10:00 am

The GOP tax policies is one of their biggest mistakes, they appear to let the lust for money drive their world. They remind me of skinflint tippers.

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:03 am

I think the cons watching their leader murdoch getting grilled today in England will push them further to the deep, dark places of their insanity.

Down goes the dark side.

Jimmy62

July 19th, 2011
10:04 am

Maybe because the $4 trillion in cuts was a just full of reductions in increases and cuts ten year from now that almost certainly will be overturned. None of it was real, solid, immediate cuts that will make a difference.

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
10:04 am

‘Jobs, jobs, jobs…’ that was the mantra that propelled the GOP to big wins in 2010…

‘Deficit, deficit, deficit…’ is the new mantra to help them position for 2012…

Missing, unfortunately, are the results, results, results from either mantra…

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:05 am

What I’m truly amazed by is that to my mind not a single observer anywhere has yet pointed out the main fact sharing us in the face with the Tea Party radicals that have now taken over the GOP: they are radically anti-capitalism.

There is no gesture more anti-capitalist in a sense than the utter rejection of the principle of debt.

These Tea Partiers haven’t read their Walter Bagehot. If they had, they’d realize that the economic system they claim to treasure is precisely what they are attacking root and branch by undermining our dependence on debt.

Fly-on-the-wall

July 19th, 2011
10:06 am

The ‘New’ GOP wants only to destroy this country so they can hope to rebuild it in their image. I have always believed that they wanted to ’starve the beast’ and now feel they’ve reached that point where they can act on it.

They are not afraid to totally destroy this nation (and the world with it) because they really believe this stuff. They must think they’re on a mission from God. I’m sure some will support this approach and respond that it needed to be done years ago. Oh, and yes, it is God’s will that they do this because he/she is telling them to purify this nation. Let the rants begin.

Larry

July 19th, 2011
10:06 am

Jay – It’s because those deficit reductions that Obama was deferring to the future would never come about. That’s the sticking point. We need real reductions in spending now and Obama refuses to budge on that. He wants to tell everyone he’s a reasonable guy but he doesn’t want to stop current spending.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
10:06 am

I for one am somewhat glad the GOP has failed by their own utter stupidity. Its not over but I continue to hope that events show the American People that the continued marginalization of the GOP and their extreme base to the likes of Norquist is a disaster for the country. Thankfully Obama has protected the country from their extreme. The sooner the pendulum starts to swing back from the GOP extreme the better as we can hopefully end the Reagan crazy.

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
10:06 am

Maybe because the $4 trillion in cuts was a just full of reductions in increases and cuts ten year from now that almost certainly will be overturned. None of it was real, solid, immediate cuts that will make a difference.,/i>

So which is it wingnuts, first of all you say they have no plan, but then you turn around and say their plan which they supposedly don’t have is for sh*t.

Consistency, thy name is honour.

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
10:07 am

Well, fart. I messed up the italicy things.

Fly-on-the-wall

July 19th, 2011
10:09 am

Bosch,

But it does look nice. :)

Nannity

July 19th, 2011
10:09 am

So tired of both sides backing each other into taking votes on plans that they know will not pass. We do not need grandstanding and posturing. We don’t need them wasting time on voting on bills that will not pass in the other side of Congress, just so they have a talking point come election time. We need a balanced plan to reduce debt!

If they do not act soon, then I propose American citizens start recall proceedings for all 535 members of congress….

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
10:10 am

“We need real reductions in spending now and Obama refuses to budge on that. He wants to tell everyone he’s a reasonable guy but he doesn’t want to stop current spending”

Except, Larry, everything that Obama has done is exactly the opposite of what you just wrote. Your Godheads at Fox and Rush can keep saying that, but it doesn’t make it true. Go outside, read a little.

Peadawg

July 19th, 2011
10:11 am

“RINO pansies”

As you like to say a lot to others on here Jay, I thought you were better than that. Guess not.

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:12 am

“The wealthiest of Americans”, the top 1% of wage earners in this country, already pay over 40% of all of the tax revenue. The top 5% pays 60%. The top 10% pays 71% and the top 25% pays close to 86%. The bottom 50% pays only 2.3%. How much is enough, libs? If you had to set up these percentages, how much would the “rich” pay? Give me some numbers.

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2011
10:13 am

“but he doesn’t want to stop current spending”

It wouldn’t matter if he did want to, he doesn’t have the POWER to. It is Congress who is in control of the spending. Once a spending bill is passed and signed into law the President does not have the power to stop it. The best he can do is veto bills that Congress sends him.

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
10:13 am

Gods of the New Dawn

I must admit, that would make a good band name.

Fly-on-the-wall

July 19th, 2011
10:13 am

Kayaker 71 – you have your set of the facts and the rest of us have the truth.

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
10:14 am

Peadawg,

After some of the things I’ve seen you write, I’d save the lectures to Jay.

Citizen of the World

July 19th, 2011
10:15 am

Y’all should go over to NYTimes.com and read Brooks’ full column. Jay left out some of the best parts!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
10:16 am

k71 — Isnt a progressive tax system great! I mean did you look at who owns the assets in the country.

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:16 am

Fly,

Look it up. The numbers are dead accurate. C”mon, Fly. Give me some numbers. What would you have the evil rich pony up to pay for Bozo’s insane spending?

Peadawg

July 19th, 2011
10:17 am

“After some of the things I’ve seen you write, I’d save the lectures to Jay.”

I agree. Jay says that phrase to me a lot. Kinda hypocritical of him, don’t ya think?

Midori

July 19th, 2011
10:17 am

Bosch – but it looks nice

:lol:

Yes it does.

I think the cons watching their leader murdoch getting grilled today in England will push them further to the deep, dark places of their insanity.

you guys have me LMAO :)

DebbieDoRight

July 19th, 2011
10:17 am

This is all about the cameras and popularity. DC has become the new reality tv show.

No truer words have ever been “spoken” on this blog before.

We should start a new reality tv series and call it “Capital Capones”. The premise behind it would be the fact that a lot of our elected officials think like Capone, (”I have built my organization upon fear.”); ignorance (”I don’t even know what street Canada is on.”) and distortion (”When I sell liquor, it’s called bootlegging; when my patrons serve it on Lake Shore Drive, it’s called hospitality.”).

the show would be in th #1 slot for more years than E.R.

USinUK

July 19th, 2011
10:18 am

“As you like to say a lot to others on here Jay, I thought you were better than that. Guess not.”

wow.

when the sarcasm went whizzing over your head, did it make a whistling sound?

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:18 am

Keep: ” for one am somewhat glad the GOP has failed by their own utter stupidity. Its not over but I continue to hope that events show the American People that the continued marginalization of the GOP and their extreme base to the likes of Norquist is a disaster for the country. Thankfully Obama has protected the country from their extreme.”

Unfortunately, I have to disagree. The problem is that there is no opposition to GOP extremism anywhere with enough self-confidence to raise its head and actually voice an alternate vision to the American people. All there is, aside from a handful of House members with genuine principle, is the bland technocratic managerialism and incrementalism of a Barack Obama which is ultimately no match for the extremism of a group that is willing to sacrifice all in the name of something as flimsy as a mere principle. Someone with the moderate mentality like Obama cannot see the power in that kind of determination, and thus he is powerless to counter it. The best he can do is just keep bending over backwards to accommodate them while coaxing them to return the favor. Meanwhile the other side simply ignores these gestures. It’s like two people who speak a different language trying to communicate.

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
10:19 am

‘If you had to set up these percentages, how much would the “rich” pay? Give me some numbers.’

How about the tax rates in effect during Clinton’s years presiding over the longest continuous expansion of the US economy in its history?

carlosgvv

July 19th, 2011
10:19 am

Most, if not all, of these Tea Party politicians are born-again Christians. They are absolutely convinced their way is God’s way and will not budge no matter how reasonable or logical their opponents are. If this was not so serious, it would be almost funny to see other, more moderate Republicans struggling with how to deal with these fanatics in their Party. I have only a slight hope that the voters who put these people into office will vote them out in the next election. Beware the true believers!!

Neon Frog

July 19th, 2011
10:19 am

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:12 am
“The wealthiest of Americans”, the top 1% of wage earners in this country, already pay over 40% of all of the tax revenue. The top 5% pays 60%. The top 10% pays 71% and the top 25% pays close to 86%. The bottom 50% pays only 2.3%. How much is enough, libs? If you had to set up these percentages, how much would the “rich” pay? Give me some numbers.

How much wealth do each of these groups possess? Show me the numbers! Do a quick wiki on wealth distribution — in 2001 the top 10% had 71% of the wealth. So if we raise taxes, it should also be proportional.

Peter

July 19th, 2011
10:20 am

WOW…. cut taxes and start two wars, where does the money to pay for wars come from then ? Republican’s never had an answer, and remember the war was suppose to cost $400 Billion.

Yup those were the made up Republican numbers, and when Bush’s guy disagreed…….he was fired.

Why would Republican’s beleive that is all possible…. well for starters Bush kept the war costs out of the overall budget numbers…Funny Republican Economics.

Why would anyone believe the Republican’s have the answer….they have been the problem, but hey the Rich must survive, and not only survive, they must flourish, even if the rest of the country is getting beaten down.

Yes…..Funny Republican Economics

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
10:20 am

Off to earn a living. Later peeps!

MH

July 19th, 2011
10:22 am

I pledge allegiance to the website
of my savior Grover Norquist
and to the wealthy
for which it stands,
My fraternity
under mammon,
separable,
with privileges
and advantages
for Me

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:22 am

Lord Help Us,

You have your dates a little wrong. The longest continuous expansion in US history began with Ronald Reagan. Clinton was just the beneficiary.

DebbieDoRight

July 19th, 2011
10:22 am

The wealthiest of Americans”, the top 1% of wage earners in this country, already pay over 40% of all of the tax revenue

If anyone is playing “Same Ridiculous Lies Talking Points Bingo” Please cover up two spaces on your cards. Thanks!

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
10:23 am

‘You have your dates a little wrong. The longest continuous expansion in US history began with Ronald Reagan. Clinton was just the beneficiary.’

OK, how about return to the tax rates at the end of Reagan’s Presidency?

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:23 am

Kayaker 71: ““The wealthiest of Americans”, the top 1% of wage earners in this country, already pay over 40% of all of the tax revenue. The top 5% pays 60%. The top 10% pays 71% and the top 25% pays close to 86%. The bottom 50% pays only 2.3%. How much is enough, libs? If you had to set up these percentages, how much would the “rich” pay? Give me some numbers.”

I love what Bernie Sanders said of this flim flam argument the other day:

Yeah no kidding the bottom half aren’t paying in very much — they’re scraping from hand to mouth to keep a roof over their head and keep a little food in their kids mouths.

In other words, don’t give me numbers about what the wealthy are paying in proportionate terms. Whatever it is, it’s NOT ENOUGH. They need to do more — namely stop their hoarding, get out of the way, and once again acknowledge the less fortunate as being part of one community.

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
10:24 am

“How much is enough, libs?”

As much as it takes to bring us back to financial stability.

Back to what y’all try and tell us were the good old days….Ike’s tax rates would be a great start.

Citizen of the World

July 19th, 2011
10:24 am

Kayaker, maybe the bottom 50% barely make enough to get by! Which is a problem in and of itself! Why should that many people in the United States barely make enough to live on? And then they’re supposed to a larger share of their meager incomes in taxes? Come on.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
10:27 am

LWM, I don’t completely disagree but I also believe that the President has to continue to play to the middle (or in this case, right of middle because of the extreme shift). I hate it myself. I think progressives are firing up to fight back and are realizing that it takes a counter. Its a disorganized effort unlike the right which has a tacit coordination through Fox and Wingnut Radio and astroturf coordination through the Koch brothers. There are efforts that are firing back. There is a new tide coming in and I suspect we’ll see the shift back and perhaps getting something done.

DebbieDoRight

July 19th, 2011
10:27 am

What would you have the evil rich pony up to pay for Bozo’s insane spending?

Just curious K71, but were you this loud and boisterous (also obnoxious) when Dubya was borrowing BILLIONS from China in order to pay for those two wars he kept off the books? Did you ever consider, i don’t know, in the back of your mind, head, thoughts, closet that one day we’d have to pay that back? Just asking…………

jconservative

July 19th, 2011
10:28 am

Presidents spend what Congress authorizes or what they have declared mandatory in the past.

Presidents do not originate spending, Congress originates spending. The president is limited to signing, vetoing or ignoring what Congress passes. Most presidents sign, there are very few budget vetoes in US budget history.

The current situation is that Congress cannot agree on what they want to do. The reason is immaterial. But it is up to Congress. All the president can do is suggest.

And this is the problem. Congress, in the last 78 years, has basically turned over to the Executive Branch the budget process. Congress historically passes what the president recommends. And every president since Hoover has recommended more spending and more spending and more spending.

Congress gets to vote on spending and taxes. The president does not get a vote.

Whatever gets born in the next few weeks is the child of Congress.

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:28 am

Neon Frog,

So if someone ventures into our economy and works hard to earn the fruits of his labor, he should be expected to give much of that away to someone who doesn’t take the same risks and refuses to work as hard. We are talking about tax revenues, not wealth distribution. This whole debt ceiling thing is about tax increases, not “revenue enhancements”, the new liberal spin word to hide the obvious. Get a job, take some risks, work a few 18hr days, Frog. Then tell me that you need to give what you earn to someone else who just doesn’t have the same drive and motivation that you have to succeed.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:29 am

“…They believe they are Gods of the New Dawn.”

Well, they’re not.

– Jay Bookman
+++++++++++++++++++
And neither are you or the other liberal democrats.

(Note to host: Going forward, David Brooks’ opinion means very little to conservatives.)

Neon Frog

July 19th, 2011
10:29 am

Way to deflect kayaker. Why don’t you just pay your fair share (as many others have pointed out above).

@@

July 19th, 2011
10:29 am

An Obama budget proposal that even Democrats wouldn’t support along with nothing in writing on the $4 Trillion in proposed cuts.

Obama, thus far, has only pledged political BS.

Larry

July 19th, 2011
10:32 am

Bosch – Please enlighten me on the specific cuts he has put on the table for next year that will close the 1.3 trillion dollar gap?

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:32 am

…Jay, I have never seen any details regarding this “proposal.”
Do you have a link?

++++++++++++++++++
Almost an hour now and still no link or anything in support of that lie. Typical.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:34 am

@Larry

July 19th, 2011
10:32 am
Bosch – Please enlighten me on the specific cuts he has put on the table for next year that will close the 1.3 trillion dollar gap?
++++++++++++++++++++++++

You stand a better chance of enlightenment by staring at a 100-watt incandescent bulb. :-)

Paul

July 19th, 2011
10:34 am

Such is what happens when ideologues run the asylum.

I wonder if that’s how they treat their spouses and kids? “If you don’t achieve perfection by this date, then….”

kayaker 71

““The wealthiest of Americans”, the top 1% of wage earners in this country, already pay over 40% of all of the tax revenue. The top 5% pays 60%. The top 10% pays 71% and the top 25% pays close to 86%. The bottom 50% pays only 2.3%. How much is enough, libs? If you had to set up these percentages, how much would the “rich” pay? Give me some numbers.”

You identified the ‘problem.’ Why don’t you propose some numbers?

I’ll take a guess. I’ll guess those who cite these percentages as examples of gross unfairness in America would be happy with:

the top 1% of wage earners in this country pay 1% of the tax revenue.

The top 5% pays 5%.

The top 10% pays 10%

and the top 25% pays 25%.

The bottom 50% pays 50%.

Is that what you’re advocating?

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:35 am

Debbie,

Bozo has out spent the previous 43 presidents in toto in the last 2 and one half years. Are you not a bit upset? He has amassed more debt in this short time than ALL of our previous presidents COMBINED!!!! And all you libs can do is harp on about Bush. Where is YOUR indignation, Debbie? Are you not just a little perturbed at out glorious leader for his insane spending and accumulation of debt?

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:35 am

If you want to get rid of corrupt congress, make them work like the American worker.

8 hours a day every day.

They will all retire.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
10:35 am

But Jay! Think of the business opportunities in DC once all the former social security recipients start marching. Just the walker repair service industry is expected to need millions of new employees. And we have our puritanical Republicans to thank for it. Take a bow, Republicans. You earned it.

carlosgvv

July 19th, 2011
10:35 am

Uncle Jed

There is nothing in the behavior of liberal Democrats to indicate they believe they are “Gods of The New Dawn”. David Brook’s opinions mean little to you and other conservatives because you don’t have the intelligence to understand them. And yet, you think you’re fit to run the Country.

RedEye

July 19th, 2011
10:36 am

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
10:36 am

So if someone ventures into our economy and works hard to earn the fruits of his labor, he should be expected to give much of that away to someone who doesn’t take the same risks and refuses to work as hard.

Yep, in business we would say it part of the CODB, or to make it more appropriate to the circumstances it part of “the cost of being a Democracy” and frankly if you don’t like it take all your marbles and head for the nearest Plutocracy

First most won’t actually take their marbles and run, they really don’t have any place to go AND the small void that would be created by those “defectors” would quickly be filled by American entrepenuers.

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:37 am

kay,

You ignore he tossed the kitchen sink at the w collapse.

Why kay why?

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
10:38 am

‘He has amassed more debt in this short time than ALL of our previous presidents COMBINED!!!! ‘

Evidence of outright ignorance that the poster could debunk in 5 seconds…yet he places that ignorance front and center. What does he do when confronted with an easily debunked lie…

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
10:38 am

(Note to host: Going forward, David Brooks’ opinion means very little to conservatives.)

I dispute that.

I think David Brooks’ opinion means quite a bit to true conservatives, its the Tea Partypublicans that can’t handle the truth.

Tea Party = RINO

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:40 am

And yet, you think you’re fit to run the Country.
+++++++++++++++++++++

Yep!

Midori

July 19th, 2011
10:41 am

Carlos – thank you so much for that 10:35

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
10:41 am

KAYAKER SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU

“He has amassed more debt in this short time than ALL of our previous presidents COMBINED!!!!”

an oft repeated lie, but still a lie

Douglas

July 19th, 2011
10:41 am

$3 trillion in spending reductions over the next decade. ——- that’s the key phrase(over the next decade). Reagan and Bush 1 were duped into raising taxes for promised future spending cuts. The tax increases went into effect immediately whereas the spending cuts never happened. That same scenario would have played out with the historic “grand bargain” with the added effect of the democrats hammering the republicans during their campaigns for voting to raise taxes after promising that they would not. Been there done that.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
10:41 am

So if someone ventures into our economy and works hard to earn the fruits of his labor, he should be expected to give much of that away to someone who doesn’t take the same risks and refuses to work as hard.

So if some corporation is “working hard” by taking government subsidies, tax credits and getting government bailouts, they certainly are not taking big risks are they? And yet they are paying zero taxes….

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:42 am

Actually, it is the President who has the bomb.

Wait until the last minute and pass a clean debt limit bill or default.

The gop will cave.

That is how it is normally passe.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
10:42 am

We need a penalty box for the liars. :D

Douglas

July 19th, 2011
10:43 am

Granny – (Note to host: Going forward, David Brooks’ opinion means very little to conservatives.)

I dispute that.

Bet you $1000 Brooks voted for Obama, and you call him a conservative?

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:44 am

If you want to get rid of corrupt congress, make them work like the American worker.

8 hours a day every day.
++++++++++++++++++++++

Seems like just last week someone on here (left side of the bus) defended higher than average D.C. salaries on the basis that staffers, etal work in excess of 80 hours per week. Hmmmmmmm

Off to navigate the day.

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:44 am

Time out for kay until she can tell the truth.

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
10:45 am

‘KAYAKER SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU’

Will he double down on the lie, cut and run, deflect and change the subject, or admit he is ignorant?

Let’s just see…

RedEye

July 19th, 2011
10:45 am

As Douglas mentioned…the President has agreed to $3 trillion over the next DECADE, however the government is slated to spend $45.7 trillion during the same time frame
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=12103

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
10:45 am

A default will actually result in an increase in the amount that we need to borrow due to an increase in borrowing cost. Take another bow, Republicans. Put us even farther in debt. Good job.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
10:46 am

Dagnabbit!!!!!

Jay

Liked the entire Brooks piece. He’s saying what I saw. The GOP missed their opportunity by not calling Obama’s bluff. People saying that there was no written plan, who gives a crap? The fact that there was recorded evidence of Obama touting $4 Trillion in cuts would have been enough to decimate the Left. Party purity will be the downfall of the GOP. You can’t attract the majority by thinking like a minority. In a society where demographics change faster tabloid tales pop up in the news, you can’t continue to think and act the same way and expect different results.

In the last 50 years, federal revenues have tripled
http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fed-revenue-overall.jpg
In the last 50 years, federal spending has quintupled
http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fed-revenue-spending.jpg

But how would revenue have matched spending had people not continually jacked around with the rates? I would love to see proof of one service provider that purposefully cut it’s income, provided the same level of service to an expanding customer base, and didn’t go out of business. That’s exactly what’s happening to the US because of the folly of trying to continue to rise and expand without paying for it.

Jm

July 19th, 2011
10:46 am

Not much content here.

James Murdoch is slick enough for parliament, but not yet a master of the craft of BS. Of course he’s still young, and he’s better at it than his dad.

DebbieDoRight

July 19th, 2011
10:46 am

Nice dodge k71 you didn’t answer my question. (thought i didn’t notice huh :wink: )

K71: <i?Debbie, Bozo has out spent the previous 43 presidents in toto in the last 2 and one half years. Are you not a bit upset? He has amassed more debt in this short time than ALL of our previous presidents COMBINED!!!!

SIDEBAR: If anyone has this humongous distortion of the truth talking point on their Bingo cards, please cover up 1 space. Also, please cover 3 spots for Bozo — Good luck!

K71 two things – (1) Wall Street / Economic Bailout (pushed through by Bush before Obama took office); (2) Finally putting the costs of both wars on the books.

And all you libs can do is harp on about Bush.

Well DUH! The debt didn’t suddenly start on January 21, 2009!!

Where is YOUR indignation, Debbie? Are you not just a little perturbed at out glorious leader for his insane spending and accumulation of debt?

He accumulated the debt that was already there, and my indignation is mostly on his inability to tell the Repubs to kiss his black/half black behind. I would’ve NEVER extended those Bush Tax Cuts last year – if he would’ve let them lapse, instead of trying to “play nice” with the uncouth unwashed tea masses; a great part of the debt could’ve already been on the way to being paid down.

ty webb

July 19th, 2011
10:46 am

David Brooks is a self identified “moderate”…so yes, his opinions mean very little to conservatives.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
10:47 am

kayaker 71

Not to interrupt the clarification you’re preparing on who should pay what percent of taxes (10:34) but it it safe to assume that for

“Bozo has out spent the previous 43 presidents in toto in the last 2 and one half years”

you have a citation to show the spending by the Obama Administration is more than total federal spending in all the years leading up to when this administration came into office, adjusted for inflation?

And if you’re going to make the comparison really meaningful, shouldn’t you compare only those programs that were in existent in all years? Otherwise, aren’t you saddling Obama with spending for a program that Reagan instituted that John Quincy Adams didn’t have to deal with?

jt

July 19th, 2011
10:47 am

Thank God for the Tea Party……………….and liberty loving people worldwide.
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We WILL weaken this beast, we WILL stop this war-machine, and will WILL strike a blow for basic decency………..at the same time expose R &D war-mongering progressives…..We decent people reject your violent and coercive ways…..LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
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Everyone that rejects individual liberty should move to progressive paradises not unlike North Korea or Cuba..for we shall have it.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:47 am

Douglas — thank you so much for that 10:43

Paul

July 19th, 2011
10:48 am

Douglas

“Reagan and Bush 1 were duped into raising taxes for promised future spending cuts.”

Who duped Reagan and Bush? The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy?

kayaker 71

July 19th, 2011
10:49 am

The “wealthiest of Americans”, the evil 1%, who, according to liberals, are responsible for this whole debt ceiling fiasco, pay a tax rate of close to 35% of net income. The1% is defined as those making 379K and change/year, of reported income. How much would you raise it? Numbers please. Oh, and Bozo said, as I recall, that those making 250K or less/year would not see “one thin dime” of tax increases. BTW, those earning 250K/year fall into the 33% bracket. Is that bracket going to be left alone?

Paul

July 19th, 2011
10:49 am

Douglas

I think Reagan and Bush did it all on their own.

So they duped themselves.

Interesting thesis.

Does that mean Reagan and Bush were delusional?

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:49 am

David Brooks is a self identified “moderate”…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And Casey Anthony is a self identified “good mom”… ;-)

(sorry, the openings are so tempting sometimes)

Now it’s time to leave.

Jm

July 19th, 2011
10:49 am

Oh, by the way, the house is passing another sensible plan that dems in senate have said no to, along with Obama. Go figure.

And these guys are actually trying to really fix the problem in the long term with a sen Graham endorsed desperately needed balanced budget amendment.

If dems don’t want to fix our country, then one can only hope for an actual conservative controlled goverrny in the future.

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
10:51 am

Douglas

Could be but guess what?

In this “right leaning” nation a lot of conservatives had to have voted for President Obama.

I call Brooks a conservative because he is, was and ever shall be one.

Not all conservatives hang from the fringe right by their teeth…some remain reasonable.

josef

July 19th, 2011
10:52 am

Is it just me, or are we caught in some kind of time warp? The thread commentary and the responses sound like what we’ve been at for how long now? Nobody anywhere seems to be moving an inch and have little more to say than the same old worn out cliches thrown out daily.

What is the point and what is the purpose? Anybody?

Midori

July 19th, 2011
10:52 am

that 10:43 only made the ignorance spouted earlier all the more apparent.

I’d like to thank Douglas too.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
10:52 am

The “wealthiest of Americans”, the evil 1%, who, according to liberals, are responsible for this whole debt ceiling fiasco, pay a tax rate of close to 35% of net income.

Are you quoting their marginal or effective tax rate? People with that kind of income usually have access to quite a few loopholes and other tactics to lower their effective tax rates. Low income people don’t have the same advantages.

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
10:53 am

‘What is the point and what is the purpose? Anybody?’

Entertainment…duh…

Midori

July 19th, 2011
10:53 am

gotta go to work.

later, all…………

have a good one.

Tommy Maddox

July 19th, 2011
10:53 am

Didn’t all the GOP guys that were swept into the House run under the premise of no new taxes and cutting spending? Why is anyone surprised?

It’s the same thing as when those monthly unemployment numbers come out – everyone repeatedly acts surprised.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
10:55 am

kayaker 71

“The “wealthiest of Americans”, the evil 1%, who, according to liberals, are responsible for this whole debt ceiling fiasco, pay a tax rate of close to 35% of net income.”

Actually, those whose household income is j over $3791500 after deductions pay a rate of 35% on every dollar above $379,150.

Their adjusted income before $379,150 is taxed at the same marginal rates as everyone else – even the rate that is zero percent.

Got that proposal on who should pay how much yet?

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
10:55 am

K71 — “So if someone ventures into our economy and works hard to earn the fruits of his labor, he should be expected to give much of that away to someone who doesn’t take the same risks and refuses to work as hard.”

My wife had a good friend in college who’s never worked a lick in his life. He inherited his money, and if I told you his name, you’d know who some of his family members are and how they earned their money.

Not everyone who is wealthy *earned* their riches, and not everyone who busts their hump becomes well-to-do. Your Horatio Alger fantasy does not measure up to reality, and I am not moved by it.