Bachmann now GOP frontrunner, and other news

Two items from new polls.

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The first, from Public Policy Polling, queried Republican primary voters on their preferences. It reports that Michele Bachmann is now running even with or perhaps slightly ahead of Mitt Romney in a head-to-head race.

The Minnesota congresswoman maintains that standing when gauged against the full field:

Bachmann 21%
Romney 20%
Perry 12%
Cain 11%
Paul 9%
Gingrich 7%
Pawlenty 5%

It’s still very early, but a lot of mainstream Republicans have to be appalled by those numbers. With the circus underway in Washington and the popularity of Bachmann — a candidate who would be a fringe player in ordinary times — the Grand Old Party of Dwight Eisenhower and even Ronald Reagan has slipped its moorings.

It’s also interesting to note that although 57 percent of Republicans still have a favorable view of Sarah Palin (compared with 32 percent unfavorable), most don’t want her to run for president.

The second poll, from the Washington Post and ABC News, gets at a question critical to how the debt-ceiling debate is likely to play out.

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According to the poll, Obama is seen as the defender of middle-class American families, while the GOP is seen as the champion of Wall Street and corporations.

– Jay Bookman

684 comments Add your comment

Midori

July 19th, 2011
3:55 pm

LOL

GOOD NEWS!!

Indeed :)

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
4:04 pm

And the “O”pressor is not FRINGE ????

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:06 pm

“The second poll, from the Washington Post and ABC News, gets at a question critical to how the debt-ceiling debate is likely to play out.”

Except that the poll question has nothing to do with the debt ceiling issue, Jay.

But other than that, you’ve got it nailed! :roll:

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:07 pm

Didn’t we just do Bachman recently?

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
4:07 pm

It’s all the gays fault

Mr. Snarky

July 19th, 2011
4:07 pm

Go Bachmann!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:08 pm

Wait a few more weeks…..we’ll have another looney tune at the top.

Looks like at least the people polled are well aware of the Republican threat to this country! :D

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:09 pm

Bachmann is the flavor of the month for the religious right. If Perry gets in, her numbers tank. His are just lower because people don’t usually vote as strongly in polls for people who haven’t declared.

This remains Romney’s nomination to lose.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:09 pm

I’ll answer my own question the same way my daughter would, “Yes. Yes we did.”

and just a mere 6 days ago………

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/07/13/bachmann-surge-in-gop-polls-will-be-fleeting/

Jimmy62

July 19th, 2011
4:09 pm

Hmmm… Someone who has doubled our debt in 3 years versus anyone else…. I’ll take anyone else.

Polls also show more Americans want spending cuts than higher taxes, but since that goes against what you want, I doubt you’ll be talking about it.

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
4:09 pm

‘And the “O”pressor is not FRINGE ????’

No, actually YOU are…

carlosgvv

July 19th, 2011
4:10 pm

George W. Bush was a fringe player too, but he was elected and re-elected by starry eyed voters who could not see what a disaster he really was. So, don’t be supprised if these same voters elect Bachmann and we get another four to eight years of Bush era politics. It goes without saying these voters lack the intelect to see that their party is the champion of Wall Street and corporations. Bachmann knows that, like Bush, all she has to do is to appeal to them in the name of God, Country and morality. She also knows that any real discussions on the economy, taxes and other serious and complicated problems is beyond their understanding.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:10 pm

Is Bachmann’s prediction that we were in the “end times” true because she is leading?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:10 pm

Geez Jay, couldn’t you have at least put up a picture of her?

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
4:10 pm

This remains Romney’s nomination to lose.

Isn’t that the damn truth. Geez.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
4:12 pm

“According to the poll, Obama is seen as the defender of middle-class American families, while the GOP is seen as the champion of Wall Street and corporations.”

And if Congressional Republicans don’t adapt to that, they clearly have a death wish.

In which case, nominating Bachmann would simply cause the gulf to widen even further.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:12 pm

Is Bachmann’s prediction that we were in the “end times” true because she is leading?

http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
4:12 pm

It’s all the libruls fault.

Then again didn’t I just say that?

Oh, that was the “gays”.

But ain’t they all the same in the end?

So say the Bachmanns.

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
4:14 pm

Good one Fred. That’s like really blog creative and stuff.

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:14 pm

“It goes without saying these voters lack the intelect to see that their party is the champion of Wall Street and corporations.”

Ah. The Superiority Card has been played.

That didn’t take long.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
4:14 pm

Lord Help Us:

You are so correct ……………. I am FRINGE right and proud of it. I don’t hide it.

“O”pressor is the most far left president we have ever had or could imagine. If you support that ……………… fine ………… it’s your right.

But he is FRINGE LEFT !!!

Toby

July 19th, 2011
4:14 pm

I thought she was the mayor of crazy town, can she hold down two positions?

Tundra Dude

July 19th, 2011
4:15 pm

Fred: Didn’t we just do Bachman recently?

Speak for yourself. I’m not interested, not my type.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:16 pm

Fred, let me know when you find that Benny Hill music for instant play….:D

Jay

July 19th, 2011
4:17 pm

Fortunately, Dave R., I don’t write this blog for people unable to understand words such as “a question critical to how the debt-ceiling debate is likely to play out.”

If voters see the GOP as protecting Wall Street, not the middle class, they will look less favorably on the GOP’s opposition to tax hikes on the upper brackets. Most readers are smart enough to understand that concept, even if they don’t agree with it.

But as you make clear, “most” doesn’t mean “all.”

Bosch

July 19th, 2011
4:17 pm

“O”pressor is the most far left president we have ever had or could imagine.”

I’m not sure who this Opressor is that Scout is talking about, but if it’s Obama, that just goes to show you that Scout and the other fringy righties are so far to the right they are in danger of breaking themselves in half, or swirling back around to the far left.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:18 pm

Tundra Dude

July 19th, 2011
4:19 pm

Bachmann now GOP frontrunner, and other news

It’s only temporary. I heard the Texas Gov will announce he also got “the call” from above.
How many candidates does god need…..can’t he guarantee a Win for one of them…??
Oh, I know…He doesn’t control the voting machines.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:20 pm

I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool.

And the Cain stupidity tour keeps on rolling to the shallow end…… Gonna be hard for Herman to win with the insults to a majority of the country who voted for Obama.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:20 pm

Should have indicated…italics were Cain’s words not mine.

JohnnyReb

July 19th, 2011
4:20 pm

We don’t need to follow the community organizer experiment with the first female POTUS experiment. Just as Obama was the wrong guy at the time, so would be Bachmann.

Palin is popular, but there are enough Conservatives to realize she is too polarizing to run against Obama. The objective is to throw out Barry, not take a chance.

As to the Washington Post/ABC poll – it’s crap.

Rick Perry will be the nominee.

@@

July 19th, 2011
4:20 pm

The last one’s funny. I just read an article at Politico entitled “GOP Is Bad for Business”. So does that make Democrats the party that’s good for business?

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
4:20 pm

‘But he is FRINGE LEFT !!!’

Dude, Dennis Kucinich is fringe left, Bernie Sanders is Fringe left. Most ‘fringe left’ organizations are po’d at Obama for continuing Bush policies in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Patriot Act, AND for putting entitlement spending in the mix for cuts.

That is NOT fringe left, unless you considererd GWB fringe left…in which case, you are sadly misinformed…

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:22 pm

“If voters see the GOP as protecting Wall Street, not the middle class, they will look less favorably on the GOP’s opposition to tax hikes on the upper brackets. Most readers are smart enough to understand that concept, even if they don’t agree with it.”

Or you could simply be pulling your analysis out of your butt. :D

The debt ceiling debate is being played out without the need to consult polls by many on the GOP side, Jay.

It is called principle; something you may not recognize in a politician.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:22 pm

Okay…I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue…. I was thinking Cain but its West. That’s what I get for a late night/early morning.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:23 pm

I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool.

I guess it’s all in the eyes of the confessor……….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3XSI_xwvss&feature=related

Brad Spencer

July 19th, 2011
4:23 pm

“…while the GOP is seen as the champion of Wall Street and corporations.”

More like Panzer troops, I’d say.

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:23 pm

“I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool.”

TESTIFY! :D

Way to go, Herman!

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:24 pm

OK, Way to go West! :D

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
4:25 pm

Agree to disagree.

Fring left ………… and ………….. dangerous to this Republic.

Brad Spencer

July 19th, 2011
4:25 pm

@Dave R. You speak of principle. Principle is good. I applaud your respect for it.

I’ll say nothing further, though I could. The positive message will do.

Mick

July 19th, 2011
4:26 pm

1811
You have no need to worry, the whole republican party is veering fringe right – off a cliff – If bachmann turns out to be your standard bearer. Not to worry, she claims obama fears her, you’ve got that to hang your hat on…

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:26 pm

Did we ever get an answer about the on again off again blog earlier today?

jconservative

July 19th, 2011
4:26 pm

“George W. Bush was a fringe player too…”

NO. George W was the sitting governor of Texas and by the time he announced for the presidency had raised more money than the rest of the Republican field combined. He was the obvious nominee from day one, despite the John McCain run for the nomination.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
4:26 pm

Wow! I’m sure glad I’m not planning on voting for a Republican for president in the next election because they have so many great candidates to pick from. How will the Republican constituency ever decide. I think they should just have all of them run and when they win they can do a timeshare thingie in the White House.

Swami Dave

July 19th, 2011
4:27 pm

Put to comparative terms to which average Americans can relate:

Were the U.S. government an American household……

It would have an annual salary of $55K.

It would have annual spending of $91K.

It would have an existing credit card balance of $366K.

The current “debt ceiling” discussion would be recognized as what steps need to be taken to get another $62K added to its credit limit!

Sorry, Jay, but those proposing “restraint” over decades that are actually simply reductions in future rates of growth are doing nothing to resolve the key problem which is a government which frankly spends too much trying to do too many things for too many people who should be doing it for themselves.

-SD

carlosgvv

July 19th, 2011
4:27 pm

Dave R.

I wonder when, if ever, the realization will come that, unless you are a wealthy patron, the Republican Party could not possibly care less about you and your concerns. This is not superiority. It is seeing things as they really are and not as you wish them to be.

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
4:27 pm

Bachmann 2012

Oh Sweet Heavens Please!

It would just be to damn good to be true.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
4:28 pm

Yeah. You can explain this “principle” thing to the millions of Americans who lose their homes, jobs and investments if the debt ceiling isn’t lifted in time.

I’m sure that will be a comfort to them.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:28 pm

Not really jconservative. He pretended to be a “uniter” a moderate. He could get the left and right to work together.

Hindsight tells us differently though.

I'm the Prez

July 19th, 2011
4:28 pm

I’ve said this before……

Please please please please let this woman win the nomination.

PUH-UH-UH-UH-UH-LEEZ!

Did I say Please????

getalife

July 19th, 2011
4:29 pm

President vs bachmann?

Too good to be true.

Not going to happen.

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:30 pm

Carlos, when you claim that an entire party of voters “lacks the intellect” regarding ANYTHING, you’re playing the Superiority Card.

Nice dodge, though.

Are you sure you’re not an opinion write for the AJC?

@@

July 19th, 2011
4:31 pm

Key Dems: Gang of Six plan won’t be ready for debt deal by Aug. 2

A convenient escape hatch?

Lord Help Us

July 19th, 2011
4:31 pm

‘Fring left ………… and ………….. dangerous to this Republic.’

Fringe in either direction is dangerous…thus the definition of ‘fringe…’

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:31 pm

“Sorry, Jay, but those proposing “restraint” over decades that are actually simply reductions in future rates of growth are doing nothing to resolve the key problem which is a government which frankly spends too much.”

I fully agree with THAT part Swami. I tried to make that point earlier today a couple times but everytime I post “submit comment” the whole blog not only crashed but disappeared lol.

Seriously, I’m not kidding about the blog disappearing, that it was my “post” was merely coincidental.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
4:32 pm

Tundra Dude

“I heard the Texas Gov will announce he also got “the call” from above.”

Perry was standing on his head -

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:32 pm

“Yeah. You can explain this “principle” thing to the millions of Americans who lose their homes, jobs and investments if the debt ceiling isn’t lifted in time.

I’m sure that will be a comfort to them.”

Ah. The Create a Crisis Card. Not unexpected.

Principle, Jay, allows you to call Hope & Incompetence’s ™ bluff and send him a bill he MUST sign, or it is HIS fault for any default.

RedEye

July 19th, 2011
4:32 pm

2 things:

1. “the Grand Old Party of Dwight Eisenhower and even Ronald Reagan has slipped its moorings”…2 totally different Republicans, lumping the two together under the same umbrella is laughable

2. The WP/ABC Poll needs to be taken with a grain of salt. For one thing it was a random sample of adults, not likely voters, and two…its an WP/ABC poll.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
4:34 pm

Fred, as to the blog conniptions, it’s been reported but we have no answers. I’ve never seen anything like that before. It was even more strange from my end of the process.

pogo

July 19th, 2011
4:34 pm

Washington Post and ABC? I’m sure this poll was totally unbiased (yea, right). Just another partisan fluff piece by Jay to stir up late day numbers.

Since Jay sees no wrong in anything that Obama has done or that any democrat can do his writing has the substance of smoke (it looks like something, but it is not). If a “journalist” cannot question everything and everybody in the same light, they are nothing but hack propagandists. And I think Jay has become a hack propagandist. His writing has no real meaning other than to stir up his little band of groupies here and really all they want is to wile away their hours on non-sensical political bickering trying to escape from their own miserable world in some sad pursuit to become relavent. They scream “Please, someone listen to me!”. And to what end? Nothing proved, nothing gained and nothing is going to change. They will still wake up in the morning with the same problems and their situation will be unchanged. Another words, the time that many of you spend on here arguing could be much better spent for yourselves and for society. But hey, that is your decision. You are free to be trained monkeys if you want.

AmVet

July 19th, 2011
4:35 pm

So it’s official – Michele is the NEW Sarah.

If things continue to play out as they have, and if Mittens gets teaflogged out of the nomination, I predict BHO will win by an even larger electoral vote margin than he did in 2008.

Perry, or any of the others, would simply play the role of the next Michael Dukakis…

Jay

July 19th, 2011
4:36 pm

Whenever I hear people say “it’s about principle” in this debate, I think to myself:

“No, not really. It’s about the principle AND the interest on the principle.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
4:36 pm

Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what’s right. ~Isaac Asimov

pogo

July 19th, 2011
4:39 pm

And Jay @ 4:28, the Drama Queen outfit would look better on you with jet black make-up and a sparkly dress! “I am ready for my close-up Mr. Demille” !

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:40 pm

Ever since we stopped posting josef’s six little words together, the blog has been fine.

Just sayin’! :D

Granny Godzilla

July 19th, 2011
4:42 pm

With all these “cards” being played – is there anybody here playing with a full deck?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

July 19th, 2011
4:44 pm

I don’t get how this is the best the GOP has to offer, just doesn’t make sense, Obama wins by default…

@@

July 19th, 2011
4:44 pm

Yeah. You can explain this “principle” thing to the millions of Americans who lose their homes, jobs and investments if the debt ceiling isn’t lifted in time.

There’s no guarantee that raising the debt ceiling will prevent any of those losses. Let’s just crush the can and get it over with.

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Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:47 pm

POGO:

Just another partisan fluff piece by Jay to stir up late day numbers.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Actually we had a pretty damn good discussion going downstairs when he posted this one. There were some very good points and counter points. Heck some of the left and some of the right came together on a couple of points. It was amazing, I was just about to post Kumbahya when he posted fresh sheets………

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2011
4:48 pm

“I wonder when, if ever, the realization will come that, unless you are a wealthy patron, the Republican Party could not possibly care less about you and your concerns”

“It takes nerve to be a Democrat, but it takes money to be a Republican” Will Rogers

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
4:48 pm

Mick:

Good afternoon.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
4:49 pm

And ya know what? Brocephus signed off before anyone could wish him a Happy 38th………

D Richard

July 19th, 2011
4:50 pm

Looks like most of the folks on here are playing the “post a comment on the blog” card.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
4:51 pm

@@

“Let’s just crush the can and get it over with.”

What does that mean?

Rack up debt and then not pay the money to the people owed?

Doggone/GA

July 19th, 2011
4:52 pm

“I think to myself:”

Good one! What *I* think is: can the unprincipled even HAVE principles?

@@

July 19th, 2011
4:52 pm

“If you stand for nothing you’ll fall for anything” OR

“If you stand for nothing, nothing is the best you can hope for.” OR

The absolute truth:

The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered
by those who vote for a living.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
4:52 pm

“Looks like most of the folks on here are playing the “post a comment on the blog” card.”

Often happens when one side isn’t surprised by a topic and another side doesn’t want to deal with the implications.

moonbat betty

July 19th, 2011
4:53 pm

Doesn’t matter who runs against obama.

obama 2012: We need a defeater not leader.

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
4:53 pm

I just cannot imagine the GOP finding a better presidential candidate than Bachmann though. She represents the GOP so perfectly. The only remaining problem is finding a running mate that truly complements her. There was hope for Perry but now that his former ties with the Democratic Party are coming out, it just completely wipes out the positive aspects associated with his desires to secede and form the more perfect theocracy.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
4:54 pm

@@

“The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered
by those who vote for a living.”

And you throw stones at some of the stuff I post?!!!!?!!!?!!?!!!?

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
4:55 pm

Our founding fathers were all “FRINGE” ………… the 10% who were willing to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor.

They were not the remaining 30% who gave it lip service.
The 30% who could have cared less or
The 30% (Tories) who fought for or supported the British.

We can argue all day about fringe left or fringe right but it’s the fringe that gets things done.

josef

July 19th, 2011
4:55 pm

Question…if a candidate does, indeed, believe that we’re living in the end times and Armageddon is right past the next roundabout, what in the world would s/he want to be leader of one of the confederation of ten nations for? Sounds like the anti Christ to me…

Jokes aside, hard to do, that woman is plumb dangerous..folks are taking her seriously. And if she IS nominated, we’re just one October surprise from having a certifiable lunatic in charge of the asylum and the free world in jeopardy.

And Dave…
I do not have Paul’s permission to use the six words, so I won’t.

AmVet

July 19th, 2011
4:55 pm

To Dave’s point, I presumed josef had become the new Paul and somehow sent the blog into some sort of Twilight Zone for particularly opprobrious behavior… (grin)

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
4:56 pm

Ah. Another cyber-stalker.

Typical of those who do not value another’s privacy.

@@

July 19th, 2011
4:57 pm

Paul:

What does that mean?

Despite all the rhetoric and posturing we see in the media and in Washington D.C., it is safe to say categorically that the U.S. Treasury will not default on its debt after August 2nd, even if the debt ceiling is not raised. Not only will the Treasury be able to pay interest on U.S. debt obligations, but there is money for other essential programs as well. However, there will be some serious cutting that has to happen because spending clearly exceeds revenues.–MarketWatch

A journal review?

josef

July 19th, 2011
4:58 pm

@@

From your post to me downstairs…real fierce, ain’t it? ISH

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
4:59 pm

Rack up debt and then not pay the money to the people owed?

Well, that has proven to be a very effective way to cut down on the overabundance of banks here in Georgia. I mean, we were getting so many banks, the churches were getting hard to find amongst them. We were getting so many banks, they were running out of land to build them on and were being forced to open branches in department stores and in gas stations and I think they were getting ready to even open branches in the churches and in the McDonalds and Burger Kings.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:00 pm

@@

July 19th, 2011
4:52 pm

The absolute truth:

The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered
by those who vote for a living.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Actually it’s an absolute lie, just more evidence of bumper sticker nonsense.

In 2010, 90,683,968 people voted while as of Jan 7, 2011, 139,206,000 had jobs.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:02 pm

AmVet

As josef understands, someone has to keep the universe in balance -

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@@

July 19th, 2011
5:03 pm

My 4:57 (answer to Paul’s querie) was thrown into moderation.

What’s wrong with my 4:52, Paul?

Never do I want my livelihood to depend on who I vote for. Let them serve the purpose that was established in The Constitution and leave the rest to the American people. Just a bunch of busybodies looking to make themselves useful.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:08 pm

My 4:57 (answer to Paul’s querie) was thrown into moderation.

What’s wrong with my 4:52, Paul?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Paul is a moderator?

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:11 pm

I don’t know who of the bat sh*t crazy “hate America” the most, Bachmann or those cheering her candidacy as “insurance” their team will win. Reality check: this type of narrow mindedness is exactly what has gotten us into the predicament we’re in. Just my opinion and I am uninanimous in that.

@@

July 19th, 2011
5:11 pm

No, Fred…Paul is not THE moderator.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Would you, by any chance, be related to Bosch?

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:11 pm

Paul controls the way the universe works, Fred.

Once you understand that simple fact, everything else settles into place.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 19th, 2011
5:12 pm

Well, all I know is when the missus gets one of them migraines the frying pan comes out and Lord help anybody that happens to be standing nearby. I just hope Michelle don’t get a migraine when she’s near the Nuculer Football or maybe meeting with the Russians or Chinese.

I’ll vote for Michelle but I’ll adopt a Towelhead into my family before I’ll vote for Romney. We don’t need no RINOs that signed Obamacare before there was a Obamacare and thinks it’s OK to just let the gays skate. Much less one that wears Special Underwear and will want to take the oath on the Book of Mormon. I can’t hardly wait to see the First Gentleman start a campaign to pray all the gays straight. All I got to say is Some People on this blog will be too busy praying to get on here and jaw about how mistreated the gays are.

Have a good night everybody.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:13 pm

@@

Ticked off the BlogMaster again, eh? :-)

What’s the matter with the 4:52?

“The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered
by those who vote for a living”

It’s the assertion the number of those who vote for a living comprise a larger group than the number of people in this country who work for a living.

On the face of it, it sounds suspect.

your 4:57

I wouldn’t refer to a blog as a journal review, along the lines of the publications that feature peer-reviewed articles based upon research according to accepted standards.

But it’s fine as a means to consider opinions, evaluate their strengths and weaknesses and arrive at a conclusion as to how much weight to accord -

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:15 pm

Does anybody else think that Redneck Convert is just messing with us and in reality is a CEO of a Fortune 500 company here in Atlanta?

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:16 pm

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:17 pm

Dave R.

I heard a rumor that a guy I know, or knew, who’s first name is Paul was in fact in charge of the AJC blogs. I have never verified it, but it is not outside the realm of possibilities If this WERE the same “Paul” and in fact had that job, he would INDEED “control the way the universe works” as far as this blog is concerned.

But the Paul I know is a little to the left of Karl Marx, he almost divorced his wife because she voted for Bush the second time (not really but he was highly annoyed with her lol). This “Paul” seems too moderate to be the same one……..

AmVet

July 19th, 2011
5:18 pm

Paul, having an Uppity Hebe in charge of the future of this forum seems a bit problematic.

And though he is generally very gracious, extremely erudite, endlessly entertaining and constantly classy, PLEASE DO NOT bring up the subject of Abraham Lincoln and that little 4 year skirmish…(smiley face thingy here.)

Both sides stink

July 19th, 2011
5:18 pm

“Does anybody else think that Redneck Convert is just messing with us and in reality is a CEO of a Fortune 500 company here in Atlanta”

Hey watch out there Dave R, don’t go violating the Convert’s privacy (smile)

Personally I find him one of the funniest posters on all ajc blogs.

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:18 pm

OK, that’s pretty creepy.

ty webb

July 19th, 2011
5:20 pm

The worst thing they could possibly do is nominate bachmann. They lose with anyone other than Romney(and so does the country). As I’ve recently become a texan, given the choice between obama(an empty suit) and bachmann(crazy)…secession may not sound so bad.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
5:20 pm

I used to be perplexed with the liberal obsession with women conservatives and black conservatives but I’ve postulated a little theory bout that. It seems to me that the liberals pretty much take women, especially single women, and especially the black vote for granted. They have both on their groupthink plantations.

Now when one breaks free of that plantation a la a Clarence Thomas or a woman and especially an attractive and intelligent woman like a Bachman it just drives them nuts. An anger and a visceral hatred that is disturbing.

Judging by the personal attacks on Palin over the last couple of years and the hate for Bachman its difficult to understand why the Dems, supposedly the party that represents women, hate women so much. Or is it just conservative women who choose to keep Down’s Syndrome babies and conservative women who choose to raise 20 foster children that they hate?

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:20 pm

I just think he’s posting in a $1000 suit and laughing his a$$ off at us. :D

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:21 pm

DAVE

Redneck needs to hire BADA as his joke writer and I’ll be glad to teach him the dialect…ssshhhesh
he keeps using past definites where past perfect progressive subjunctive is called for,,,

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:21 pm

Dave R

Whoever he is, Redneck Convert’s a pretty creative person. I enjoy the posts immensely.

AmVet

You do realize that now that I know that, it’s going to be terribly difficult to resist, don’t you?

Jefferson

July 19th, 2011
5:21 pm

She’s got my vote in the primary.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:22 pm

Both Sides: I do a well. He annoys the hell out of josef though lol.

Both sides stink

July 19th, 2011
5:23 pm

Hey Thulsa, you’re way off base. The standard line from the Right is that the Left “fears” Bachman. You said “hates”. Get it straight.

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
5:24 pm

Barack Obama is the poster boy for “fringe candidate”.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:24 pm

Thulsa Doom

Have you considered that many such have put that view forward, generally citing Justice Thomas and Palin and Bachmann?

Could the weakness in the argument be they disagree with Thomas’s legal opinions, they think Palin is not quite ready for prime time (but give her credit for having the sense to keep making big bucks instead of running again) and they think Bachmann is just plain kinda nutty?

@@

July 19th, 2011
5:24 pm

It’s the assertion the number of those who vote for a living comprise a larger group than the number of people in this country who work for a living.

Not to be taken literally, Paul.

On the “Journal report”? I wasn’t REALLY asking. It was a snark.

Why don’t we take this approach…I’ll ask for your opinion only when I want it or need it. :smile:

Tall

July 19th, 2011
5:26 pm

Yeah. You can explain this “principle” thing to the millions of Americans who lose their homes, jobs and investments if the debt ceiling isn’t lifted in time.

I’m sure that will be a comfort to them.”

Mr. Bookman:

The Federal government spends $0.40 over every dollar it takes in taxes. Even without the increase in the debt ceiling, there is still $1.00 in taxes coming in. That means there is money to pay social security, Medicaid and other entitlements. There may not be money for other programs, but that may not be so bad. The less money our elected officials have, the less for them to waste. The economy won’t come to an end. In fact, it is a step in the right direction.

Now….tell me how the above millions are going to lose their homes…jobs etc.

For a lucid perspective on this scenario, I suggest you read the WSJ interview with Stanley Druckenmiller that was published earlier this summer. You might learn something.

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:26 pm

Redneck as a wit and commedian? Well, there’s no accounting for taste said Little Moron when he saw the dog eating sh*t… :-)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:26 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
5:20 pm
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Really? Wow.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:26 pm

josef

“he keeps using past definites where past perfect progressive subjunctive is called for,,,”

Redneck ain’t never gonna post anything progressive, subjunctive or otherwise -

Jay

July 19th, 2011
5:27 pm

Thulsa, your point might have some validity if Republican women such as Olympia Snowe, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski had received similar levels of criticism.

However, using criticism of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann as your evidence gets you absolutely nowhere. They’re unqualified, uninformed and a bit on the loony side, and it’s appropriate to state it as such since they apparently aspire to national leadership.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:27 pm

@@

Why don’t we take the blog approach? You post something, you’re open to comments from everyone.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:28 pm

Yeah Paul, it’s not to be taken literally because it’s a bold faced lie easily debunked…………

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:28 pm

Thulsa, there is a dichotomy between what the left sees as women of power and what the rest of the world sees.

I am constantly struck by the silence of liberal organizations such as NOW and others who utter nary a complaint when conservative women are attacked by members of the media or opposing candidates on the basis of their sex, rather than on the issues.

Gerry Brown, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart and the like can attack conservative women all day long on issues of stupidity, calling them names, etc, but when a Maxine Waters, Cynthia McKinney or Sheila Jackson-Lee utter nonsense they’re given a pass.

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:29 pm

PAUL
Justice Thomas legal opinions? Where did you find one? Bachmann is kindna nutty? She’s got the Planters market cornered…

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:30 pm

@@

I just reread “Why don’t we take this approach…I’ll ask for your opinion only when I want it or need it.”

and I can live with that.

Rest assured, though, that I’ll offer you my opinion whenever you don’t realize you need it!

And you used an emoticon!!!! You progressing progressive, you!!!!

Jefferson

July 19th, 2011
5:30 pm

They are loons too, Dave.

@@

July 19th, 2011
5:31 pm

I just read where the Palins left their church prior to her announcing. Will the left be as forgiving as they were with Obama? They hadn’t even attended their church in the two years prior. Their membership has been moved to a non-denominational church.

Shades of Obama!

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
5:32 pm

Headline: “A new study by the by the Council of State Governments finds that 60 percent of Texas students were suspended, expelled or faced in-school suspensions by the time they graduated high school.”

Well, well ………… my generation was graded by the number of paddlings and usually one from the shop teachers was enough ……………………. :o

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:32 pm

“However, using criticism of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann as your evidence gets you absolutely nowhere. They’re unqualified, uninformed and a bit on the loony side, and it’s appropriate to state it as such since they apparently aspire to national leadership.”

Says an opinion columnist who supports the failed policies of a one-time community organizer and no-show Senator when decrying someone’s lack of qualifications. :roll:

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:33 pm

DAVE

McKinney didn’t get a free pass. Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson-Lee do.

PAUL

:-)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:33 pm

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:28 pm

I am constantly struck by the silence of liberal organizations such as NOW and others who utter nary a complaint when conservative women are attacked by members of the media or opposing candidates on the basis of their sex, rather than on the issues.
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I am as well. Calling Condeliza Rice Aunt Jemimah and cartoons depicting her as such were way over the top in my book.

But the left are no more immune to hypocrisy than the right.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:33 pm

josef

Well, I did like Justice Thomas’s opinion in Keller v. City of New London, where he opposed the liberal majority which allowed governments to take private property and turn it over to developers so they could get more tax revenue.

@@

July 19th, 2011
5:34 pm

Rest assured, though, that I’ll offer you my opinion whenever you don’t realize you need it!

And I’ll choose to ignore it unless I asked. ’tis a woman’s prerogative.

I’ve used emoticons before. Just like jay’s team, I can insult you with a :smile: .

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
5:34 pm

Paul,

I understand differences of honest opinion but I think most neutral people can’t help but notice the invective displayed against them- especially Palin. They had the dog attack hate machine geared up against her the day she was announced a couple of years ago. Look how many lawyers they sent up there just to try and dig dirt on her and the man that moved in next door for the sole purpose of spying on her and her family.

As for Bachman what exactly is nutty about her? That she wants the govt to live within its means and not bury our children and grandchildren in debt? She’s a tax attorney so I don’t think people can call her dimwitted they way they tried to make Palin look. She has had some statements where she misspoke but so what? Obama has misspoken plenty of times with 57 states, Austrians speak Austrian, his mispelled Lybia in a tweet. Good grief we could go on all day long about him.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
5:35 pm

I agree. Kelo was a bad decision.

AmVet

July 19th, 2011
5:37 pm

Regarding Bachmann’s nuttiness, need we once again replay the plethora of goofball things the woman has already said in public?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:38 pm

Scout: No kidding. Although my school was more “progressive” We were OCCASIONALLY given an option. I was once allowed to choose three days or three licks. LOL I didn’t have to explain to my parents if I took the three licks. Easy choice.

And all because I spit a healthy stream out of a window and the Principal was there to see it. WHile dipping snuff in class was against the rules, (there was even a smoking area for students back then lol), you usually had to do something pretty stupid to get “caught.” That I think fell in the really stupid categories.

But it was a learning experience as well. I have NEVER failed to look before I let fly since then…….

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:40 pm

THULSA

What’s nutty about her? Her comments on gay folks for a start…I know that doesn’t particularly bother you, Pastor Niemoller, but it scares the sh*t out of me…

Swami Dave

July 19th, 2011
5:41 pm

Jay:

Highlighting different treatment for Republican women who, only one AT BEST, could be labelled anything resembling a Conservative only serves to -make- the point; not disprove it.

-SD

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
5:43 pm

Sorry Jay but your comparison is invalid. None of those women you mentioned were nominated as VP as Palin was. Also, none of them ran for president and were leading or close to the lead for the nomination like Bachman is. A very poor comparison.

And to call both of them unqualified when the community organizer was vastly more unqualified is laughable. I mean seriously. Obama had never held a CEO level position like Palin had and was running 150 days into his first and only term as a U.S. senator when he ran for pres.

If you believe that Obama was somehow qualified then you sir have absolutely no credibility in judging who is and who isn’t qualified to be potus. None.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:43 pm

Thulsa Doom

I agree, and posted before you came here, that I thought much of the speaking and writing was a bit over the top. I can understand the grave concern some would have if she were to have the top position, but I think the case could have been made a bit more calmly.

As far as Bachmann, I don’t see the depth of thought and consideration of various points of view I’d expect from a president. That becomes critical in a president. I’d related her performance on O’Reilly’s interview (for which he took a lot of grief from right wing organizations) . It wasn’t that what she said was necessarily nutty, it’s how she responded or didn’t respond to thought-provoking questions. Maybe that’s where the ‘nutty’ label comes in. For all her obvious intelligence and achievements, in this arena you’d never think she was the same person. It’s…. nutty!

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:45 pm

Thulsa: She’s a tax attorney so I don’t think people can call her dimwitted they way they tried to make Palin look.

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Come on now, no one HAS to “try” to make Palin look stupid. She does a good job all on her own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVwLvRa_to

Bud Wiser

July 19th, 2011
5:47 pm

Bachmann gives me a headache.

Dave R.

July 19th, 2011
5:48 pm

Off to take care of the canines.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
5:48 pm

Thulsa, a majority of American voters decided otherwise. And they will do so again.

When Obama was interviewed on national TV — including by conservatives such as Bill O’Reilly — he struck most Americans as reasonable and very well-informed. The debates against John McCain cemented that impression.

When Palin was interviewed on national TV….

When Bachmann was interviewed on national TV ….

Seriously, the comparison does your argument no good whatsoever. You prove MY point, not yours. I understand that you don’t think Obama is a good president. But putting him in the same category as Palin or Bachmann is laughable.

Why do you think a majority of Palin’s fellow Republicans DON’T want her to run for president?

(”oh, i know, i know, call on me!!!! Because they don’t want to see the mean bad MSM pick on her?”)

jack bull

July 19th, 2011
5:49 pm

Perry and Rubio on the ticket and they may have the White House for the following 16 yrs…

ty webb

July 19th, 2011
5:49 pm

no, here’s stupid…no, make that STUPID.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A

Paul

July 19th, 2011
5:49 pm

Thulsa Doom

Personally, I kinda like the theory some on the Left think Palin and Bachmann are kinda hot, and this causes a cognitive dissonance that causes them to respond with an overcompensating zeal.

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:50 pm

It’s not the “bashing” of public figures that irks me so much. As the Bruin has pointed out on a number of occasions, they set themselves up for it. What bothers me is the low level of that bashing. The same old, tired one liners from both sides. Give me a BADA who is at least origininal and not above a deserved swipe at his own. Molly Ivans was, and Florence King is, funny as all get out and make their point at the same time. And you gotta admit when when one plagiarizes the other, that’s in itself a validation of the artistry….

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
5:50 pm

josef,

Well okay then. We have a valid complaint then. I’m not much for anyone who is a gay basher and I haven’t seen her comments for myself so I can’t judge. I’ve no problem if she disagrees with the gay lifestyle and if its solely due to her religious beliefs. But I wouldn’t call that nutty. I would just call it a philosophical religious disagreement which would obviously be upsetting to gays. And if you oppose her for that then I certainly understand. But to oppose her with some vague comments that she’s nuttty which I see a lot of just doesn’t make sense. I’ve yet to see someone post a comment from her not taken out of context that can be deemed wholly “nutty”. I’ve seen opinions such as Paul whose opinion I do respect but I’ve seen no direct quotes as to what specifically makes her “nutty”. Anyway, I’m out for a little while. See you guys a little later.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
5:51 pm

LOL Ty, I’ve seen that before. Makes you wonder about the folks who elected her?

Jm

July 19th, 2011
5:51 pm

Where’s that democratically controlled senate plan and bill?

Or obama’s legislation?

Oh wait, there isn’t any. Meanwhile the republican house continues to try to do the peoples business, which dems ignore. Ridiculous.

ByteMe

July 19th, 2011
5:54 pm

Bachmann’s aides shoved around an ABC News reporter after a rally because he was trying to get her to answer some questions concerning her health. Video on the ABC News site soon.

And the nutty surround themselves with incompetents. All the better to have someone else to blame for their failure.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
5:56 pm

“I’ve seen no direct quotes as to what specifically makes her “nutty”.”

Well, she said something about balancing the budget, spending too much, cutting taxes…

Oh, to the lib ilk, that is nutty.

ty webb

July 19th, 2011
5:56 pm

Fred,
yeah…what in the world would possess someone to cast a vote for her? The only reasonable explanation is that she has never made a campaign speech or had a public speaking engagement in front of her constituents.

Gordon

July 19th, 2011
5:58 pm

Bachmann incompetent? Maybe you should do some more research, and read something besides Jay Bookman’s blog. You may not like her politics, but she isn’t incompetent.

Obama has fallen so far so fast. Most people knew he couldn’t live up to his “sort of a god” image, but who would have thought he would be this poor a leader?

josef

July 19th, 2011
5:59 pm

Thulsa

Go listen to some of her horse sh*t…the woman is mean, hateful and vicious and playing to a like-minded audience. It’s not a matter of religious or philosophical difference and if it is, then her
“relgion” and her “philosophy” are mean, hateful and vicious.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
6:00 pm

interesting….. being a tax attorney means that Bachmann not dimwitted. Being a consitutional law attorney and editor of Harvard Law Review

Claiming to have provided foster care for 23 children but maybe it was really 20 or less means you must hate her if you say anything…but say something about someone working in the community to help families, not hate.

Oh the poor victim card play!

My own thought…if you see someone use the word “plantation” to justify their comment, they are probably ready to be fertilizer the blog field with what they are spreading.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:01 pm

Jm

July 19th, 2011
5:51 pm

Or obama’s legislation?

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ummmmmm Jm? You are a rebulican aren’t you? the President doesn’t “legislate.” He is in what is know as the “executive branch” of Gov’t. The LEGISLATURE “legislates.”

But let’s put aside semantics and say you just made a typo and the word you were looking for was BUDGET. The President submits a BUDGET by the first week in January (which he did) and the Congress decides what they will and will not approve. The Senate has no constitutional say in the matter. (That answers your silly “democratic controlled Senate” thing).

So really right now everything hinges on the Congress.

Anything else I can help you with?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 19th, 2011
6:02 pm

, Being a consitutional law attorney and editor of Harvard Law Review, well that is another thing…

Bad typing….Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit smoking pencil sharpenings….

md

July 19th, 2011
6:02 pm

Speaking of Jackson Lee………is she going to get another pass for her buffoonery from yesterday??

josef

July 19th, 2011
6:02 pm

GORDON

You are correct on the she’s not incompetent tact when it comes to politicking…and that’s what REALLY scares me…she actually just might pull if off…

getalife

July 19th, 2011
6:03 pm

CNN Health concern for bachmann.

Check her prescription refill record.

She needs rehab.

Paulo977

July 19th, 2011
6:04 pm

Jm

July 19th, 2011
6:05 pm

Fred 6:01. You are a democrat sent you.

You see while the potus isn’t a legislator he can and does propose legislation. In addition he doesn’t formally propose the passed budget either. That is te purview of the house.

Anything else I can help you clueless dems with?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:06 pm

MD? Are you talking about THIS Jackson-Lee?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/02/congressional-bosses-from-hell-sheila-jackson-lee/

is so, the answer is probably yes she will. Sad isn’t it?

md

July 19th, 2011
6:06 pm

“Thulsa, a majority of American voters decided otherwise. And they will do so again.”

Mighty bold prediction, but the last time I looked at the independent numbers, they didn’t agree……..

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:08 pm

Lord Help Us — “Dude, Dennis Kucinich is fringe left, Bernie Sanders is Fringe left. Most ‘fringe left’ organizations are po’d at Obama for continuing Bush policies in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Patriot Act, AND for putting entitlement spending in the mix for cuts.”

“That is NOT fringe left, unless you considererd GWB fringe left…in which case, you are sadly misinformed…”

This. Obama is nowhere close to being “fringe left,” or a ’soshulist,’ for that matter.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
6:08 pm

Thulsa Doom

For when you return, admittedly ‘nutty’ is in the ear of the beholder, but here’s a synopsis on some of her views based on her voting record.

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm

I’d venture to guess that voting

to “Declare preborn as persons under 14th amendment. (Feb 2009) ”

to “Grant the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment. (Jan 2007) ”

“NO on regulating the subprime mortgage industry. (Nov 2007) ”

“NO on letting shareholders vote on executive compensation. (Jul 2009) ”

“NO on protecting whistleblowers from employer recrimination. (Mar 2007) ”

“Identify constitutionality in every new congressional bill. (Jul 2010) ”

“Bachmann signed H.R.197&S.845

Establishes a national standard for the carrying of concealed firearms (other than a machinegun or destructive device) by non-residents. Authorizes a person who has a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state and who is not prohibited from carrying a firearm under federal law to carry a concealed firearm in another state:”

(so much for the Feds not telling states how to run their affairs)

in such a manner would cause some people to think her views are ‘nutty.’

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:10 pm

Mike — “I don’t get how this is the best the GOP has to offer, just doesn’t make sense, Obama wins by default…”

I think we agree, sir. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, then I think the election is Obama’s to lose.

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
6:12 pm

Just curious. Is there anything that Obama supports that a majority of the American people support? Obamacare? No. Spending? No. Stimulous? No. Libya? No. Iran? No. Debt Ceiling? No. Afghanistan? No. Job Approval? No. Car company take overs? No. Handling of the economy? No. Job creation? No. Is there something?

Mick

July 19th, 2011
6:12 pm

1811

Good afternoon…all this talk about fringe, I’m just glad to have a damn good refringerator – keeps it all cool…

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:12 pm

Paul, all lies from a socialist/leftie web site.

Please try to better in the future.

Thanks.

pogo

July 19th, 2011
6:12 pm

So, judging from the conservative women Jay says are his proof that they as a group aren’t targeted , I can only surmise that he in his own way is saying that conservative women should keep their “place” in politics and not dare to venture outside what he deems as acceptable for them. Another words, let the men do the real work and don’t you dare make any waves or make any “brash” statements on your political beliefs. Of course he doesn’t hold this same standard for democrat women. One only has to look at the moron Pelosi and Jays treatment of her to prove this. Your hackery is showing again Jay.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
6:14 pm

F. Sinkwich

I love it when you make a funny!

carlosgvv

July 19th, 2011
6:15 pm

Dave R.

That is not what I asked you. I am asking when, if ever, YOU will come the the realization that, unless you are a wealty patron, your party will not care for you in any way.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:15 pm

Economy? No. Direction of the country? No.

Just trying to help.

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:18 pm

Righty — “Obamacare? No.”

Actually, when you poll on the individual provisions *within* the health care legislation, you do get majority approval. It’s clearly because of the ‘branding’ effort that “Obamacare” as a concept is unpopular, even though the provisions within it *are* popular.

md

July 19th, 2011
6:20 pm

Thanks Fred…….those stories certainly explain a lot………….yeh, she’ll get a pass……..

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:20 pm

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:10 pm

I think we agree, sir. If the GOP nominates Bachmann, then I think the election is Obama’s to lose.
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I’m reminded of the comment some comedian made after Bob Dole was nominated: This is great, Clinton can even start dating again…………

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:20 pm

“your party will not care for you in any way”

Uh, Carlos, why do you need a party to “care for you?”

Are you a loser that relies on others and their money to survive? No wonder you’re a Hopey/Changey acolyte.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:24 pm

“Actually, when you poll on the individual provisions *within* the health care legislation, you do get majority approval”

Last refruge of the lib ilk: “we just need to communicate better.”

Clue to libs: America hears you loud and clear, and it doesn’t like it.

sam

July 19th, 2011
6:26 pm

who the hell is michael bachmann?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:26 pm

md, all I did was google her name……. yesterday I think and before I had it typed, “worst boss” popped up as one of the choices. You KNOW I had to click that. LOL I didn’t even continue on to read what I was originally looking for. Probably the “event” from yesterday whatever that was. Damn, I guess I should look it up, but she’s obviously a complete idiot so why bother? She and that Congress woman from Florida (Ms. Go Gata) are peas in a pod.

No that’s not fair, Ms. Go Gata just made a silly speech on the floor, that in the end really harmed no one. Sheila is an evil vindictive race baiter………

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:27 pm

LOL I hurt JM’s feelings and he reported me. How sweet.

Howie

July 19th, 2011
6:27 pm

“…Obama is seen as the defender of middle-class American families, while the GOP is seen as the champion of Wall Street and corporations.”

Middle class Americans are the owners (i.e. shareholders) and employees of corporations. They neither support villifying corporations nor taxing them out of existence. And most of us do not wish to be “defended” by the government.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
6:31 pm

No, Fred, he didn’t.

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:31 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Last refruge of the lib ilk: “we just need to communicate better.”

That’s also the mantra of the corporatists. If you think advertising is unimportant and dispensable, then ask the GOP to not run any campaign ads for their 2012 Presidential candidate. The fact of the matter is that people *like* the items in the healthcare legislation, and if you *tell* them what’s in it, they *like* “Obamacare.” I’m sure people are also surprised to learn that there’s no such thing as a “death panel” in that legislation, either.

“Clue to libs: America hears you loud and clear, and it doesn’t like it.”

Clue to conservatives: honesty is the best policy. Shame y’all won’t use it.

md

July 19th, 2011
6:31 pm

And Borders goes from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7……….a bit ironic terms for a bookseller……..

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:32 pm

Fred — “LOL I hurt JM’s feelings and he reported me. How sweet.”

Who, me? I haven’t reported anyone.

Doom thought I did last week, but Joey don’t play that.

pogo

July 19th, 2011
6:32 pm

Also Jay, it seems that you and the rest of the liberal media reserve your hatred for conservative women (and blacks) for those that may be a threat of some kind to Obama’s presidency or the progressive cause. Hutcheson is retiring. Snow should caucus with the Democrats because that is what she is. None of the group you mentioned are running next year against the “annointed one”. I can only surmise that you think that your little group of loyal progressive followers are dumb enough to fall for what you are putting out there and you are probably right.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:33 pm

Whoops, my bad. The comment was there and then it was “in moderation”. He seemed the likely culprit.

That’s what I get for jumping to conclusions………..

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
6:34 pm

It reports that Michele Bachmann is now running even with or perhaps slightly ahead of Mitt Romney in a head-to-head race.

Since we are not yet talking about a head-to-head race between Bachmann and Romney, I thought some would like to look at other elements of the complete polling data.

Public Policy Polling

The poll had many questions as you can see using this link: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_0719.pdf

Palin’s favorable rating is interesting given a later question. She does not seem electable, obviously.

Q3 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Sarah Palin?
Favorable……………………………………………….. 57%
Unfavorable ……………………………………………. 32%
Not sure …………………………………………………. 10%

With Palin in (unlikely) the numbers are a bit different, of course.

Q6 If the candidates for President next year were
Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt
Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Sarah Palin, Ron
Paul, Tim Pawlenty, Rick Perry, and Mitt
Romney, who would you vote for?
Michele Bachmann ………………………………….. 16%
Herman Cain…………………………………………… 10%
Newt Gingrich …………………………………………. 6%
Jon Huntsman…………………………………………. 2%
Sarah Palin …………………………………………….. 12%
Ron Paul………………………………………………… 9%
Tim Pawlenty ………………………………………….. 5%
Rick Perry ………………………………………………. 11%
Mitt Romney……………………………………………. 20%
Someone else/Not sure ……………………………. 10%

The following question is very telling about how Palin’s electabality is perceived.

Q11 Do you think Sarah Palin is good or bad for the image of the Republican Party?
Good……………………………………………………… 57%
Bad ……………………………………………………….. 28%
Not sure …………………………………………………. 16%

Q14 Would you describe yourself as very liberal,
somewhat liberal, moderate, somewhat
conservative, or very conservative?
Very liberal ……………………………………………… 2%
Somewhat liberal …………………………………….. 4%
Moderate………………………………………………… 20%
Somewhat conservative……………………………. 38%
Very conservative ……………………………………. 37%

md

July 19th, 2011
6:34 pm

“Sheila is an evil vindictive race baiter………”

Which was on display yesterday………she basically implied that there is no deal on the debt limit because Obama is black………..how long are her supporters going to put up with that crap?

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:35 pm

““…Obama is seen as the defender of middle-class American families”

You mean he’s pro-union. Why can’t the libs and their ilk speak truth not euphemisms?

Oh, then they could NEVER get elected…

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:36 pm

No Joe Mama, Jm, that guy who goes by just initials. But Jay said it wasn’t so. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
6:38 pm

Right, Pogo.

Herman Cain says mosques can be banned under the Constitution, and it’s picking on a black guy to point out that is a lunatic position?

Amazing and sad.

Bud Wiser

July 19th, 2011
6:38 pm

Bachmann is listening to a channel only she can hear.

BUT……it is perhaps a little softer to take, considering she currently has virtually no political power.

Obama on the other hand, is the consummate liar. I cite one example, the latest, where he claims that “over 80% of the American people” support raising taxes as a part of his so-called ’solution’ to the current debt crisis. And where did that figure come from? There is no polling data anywhere to support the liar and his lie on that one. Quite the contrary, there are many polls that slant heavily in the other direction where most Americans are in fact AGAINST raising taxes.

He is also the current CIC, and has the power of the nation at his fingertips. THAT is more than a little unsettling to say the least. The war that isn’t a war in Libya is another Obama lie.

The man is a stranger to truth, unaware of everyday facts a schoolchild should know (”all 57 states…”), and lies with a purpose but with no conscience.

He is an idiot.

He will lose in 2012, and this nation will be able to regain its footing and move forward again, hopefully capable of repairing the catastrophic damage this fool has made.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:38 pm

md: And Borders goes from Chapter 11 to Chapter 7……….a bit ironic terms for a bookseller……..

LOL I never looked at it like that. Good catch.

I think i have a Borders gift card with some cash on it. I need to go use it up tomorrow.

So what DO they do in something like that? Do they firesell the books? If so, I’m going to have to go check it out……..

josef

July 19th, 2011
6:39 pm

PAULO

Thanks…. :-)

md

July 19th, 2011
6:40 pm

Out of curiosity Fred, why is there a nice Fred and a not as nice Fred?

Normal

July 19th, 2011
6:40 pm

Got into this one late and all I’ll say about this is that it seems to me that the GOP and their bosses want another puppet in the office of the President just like they had with President G. W. Bush. All they want is another “yes man” or in this case a “Yes Woman”.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:41 pm

Jay,

The majority of America disagrees on Obama? Ya ever heard the term the masses are azzes. The majority of Germany, an educated society, also agreed on what a great leader Hitler was. Think they were right? Propoganda is what makes the difference and with the news media constantly bashing Palin and praising Obama is it any wonder people were of the mistaken belief that this man was qualified despite zero executive experience?

The continous dumbing down of America and American Idolization of our our tv couch potato society is what favors Obama and put him over the top. The man has charisma, makes beautiful speeches and consequently looks good and even makes people think he knows what he is talking about when he clearly doesn’t.

But even then 2 1/2 years later people have opened their eyes and see what an unmitigated disaster this man’s presidency has been. And seriously. What the hell did you expect when you elected a community organizer with ZERO executive experience. Now keep up mentions that the man was president of his college newspaper. To which I have to give a pigeon clap. Good grief. President of his college paper. Whoopteedoo!

Otherwise please tell me what executive experience this community organizer had before running for potus 150 days into his first and only term as senator? And while you’re at it please enlighten me as to his varied and many legislative accomplishments and legislation passed. No need to go into all those present votes so that he wouldn’t have any semblance of a voting record to criticize.

I’m waiting so someone please enlighten me as to this man’s bevy of executive or accomplished private sector experience before running for potus.

md

July 19th, 2011
6:43 pm

Chapter 7……..liquidate it all……then pay the attorneys and shaft the employees………..

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
6:43 pm

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:18 pm

You are reaching. You know as well as I that every poll since before it was passed a majority opposed it and still due.

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2011
6:43 pm

A random sampling of 1,001 dalmatians adults. How scientific! :roll:

josef

July 19th, 2011
6:45 pm

Thulsa

Fair and balanced…the German electorate never handed Hitler a majority so long as they were free to vote their conscience…

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
6:46 pm

“And the “O”pressor is not FRINGE ????”

Examples of said oppression please?

Normal

July 19th, 2011
6:47 pm

Bud Wiser, Thulsa,
Face it. Come 2012 President Obama is a shoo in if all you’ve got is Bachmann. No moderate, on the right or left, will vote for her. And surely no senior will vote for her. and there aren’t enough tea drinkers to get her elected. Case closed.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:47 pm

md,

Is Sheila Jackson- Lee going to get a pass for her foolishness yesterday? Well of course she is. And we all know why. Let me ask a rhetorical question. What’s different about her and say Palin or Bachman? Now we know why she gets a pass from the media. I can play the same game she can play.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we weren’t so broke as a country that we could revive NASA and since Jackson-Lee is on the committe that overseas NASA we could send her on a mission way out to Mars. Then she could retrieve that flag that our astronauts planted on Mars and bring it home- to the house! One could only dream of sending her on a loooooong, loooooong trip far from here.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
6:47 pm

I’m still chuckling at the Obama=Hitler suggestion.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:47 pm

Great post, Thulsa…says it all.

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
6:48 pm

“I’m waiting so someone please enlighten me as to this man’s bevy of executive or accomplished private sector experience before running for potus.”

As soon as you explain to us what the other option was and how it would’ve been a superior choice?

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:48 pm

Fred — “No Joe Mama, Jm, that guy who goes by just initials. But Jay said it wasn’t so. Sorry for the misunderstanding.”

It’s all good. Go in peace, sir. :)

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
6:49 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:41 pm

The man has 60 czars to advise him and he still doesn’t know his own birthday.

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
6:50 pm

And since ya’ll are blathering on about how Obama doubled the debt in two years, or whatever, perhaps you could tell us what planet you resided on during the years of 2000-2008?

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:50 pm

Normal,

We could run Daffy Duck and he would beat the community organizer. And make a better president too. But this is all for naught anyway. Romney or Rick Perry will win the nomination. And if Rick Perry wins it we’re talking landslide proportions in the presidential race. He would savage Obama in a debate. You see this time around Obama well, he has a record you see. And it aint good.

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:51 pm

Fred — “So what DO they do in something like that? Do they firesell the books? If so, I’m going to have to go check it out……..”

They will have a liquidation company come in and run the going out of business sales, but be forewarned — there is anecdotal evidence that liquidators have been jacking up prices and hanging a bunch of big SALE signs — but not really offering any worthwhile deals.

If you’re interested in some discussion on that, the Consumerist blog is a good place to go. The regulars there probably have a lot to say on that.

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
6:51 pm

Hmmmm…Oxycotin Bachmann or the secessionist Perry…. hmmmm… what a field to choose from.

josef

July 19th, 2011
6:52 pm

NORMAL

One good October surprise…it’s not nearly as slam-dunk as you’d like to think…hopefully, we’ll never have to find out. Hopefully the GOP will come to its senses…

BADA BING

July 19th, 2011
6:52 pm

obama is no Hitler. Hitler served Bavarian Pretzels with his Kool-Aid.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
6:52 pm

So Thulsa, let me get this straight. Earlier, you rejected a comparison between GOP women such as Snowe, Murkowski, et al and Palin/Bachmann. I quote:

“Sorry Jay but your comparison is invalid. None of those women you mentioned were nominated as VP as Palin was. Also, none of them ran for president and were leading or close to the lead for the nomination like Bachman is. A very poor comparison. “

Yet now, just a few minutes later, you insist on comparing an obscure backbencher such as Jackson-Lee with Bachmann and Palin?

Gee, dude, which is it?

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:53 pm

Righty — “You are reaching. You know as well as I that every poll since before it was passed a majority opposed it and still due.”

No sir. There have been several polls showing that the public *likes* the provisions in the legislation, and that if you don’t say “Obamacare” and simply give them a list of provisions in the legislation, a majority of people polled like it.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:53 pm

josef,

Yes. I understand that and I kinda felt the headmaster was going to correct me on that. Nevertheless he was extremely popular with a signifant amount of the population. A lot of people got hoodwinked by a charismatic man. Same thing happened here.

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
6:53 pm

“You see this time around Obama well, he has a record you see. And it aint good.”

I was just reading today about a school district in Texas that will be charging parents for school bus service… Perry, it would seem, has a bit of a record to splain as well… Come an get it…

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
6:54 pm

“President Barack Obama on Tuesday hailed a plan by “Gang of Six” senators from both parties to reduce federal deficits”

Sounds like a good reason to believe deal sucks.

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:54 pm

Rightwing Troll — “Oxycotin Bachmann”

Whoa. Is she really on oxycontin? I had not heard that. If not, then where’s that sobriquet coming from?

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:54 pm

Jay,

Well sir. You started with bogus comparisons. I’m just following your lead sir. Tell Sheila to bring back that flag from mars would ya?

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
6:55 pm

Somebody help me out here. That young woman is married to Rupert Murdoch? I going to reserve comment.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
6:56 pm

md

July 19th, 2011
6:40 pm

Out of curiosity Fred, why is there a nice Fred and a not as nice Fred?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

There is just one Fred md. He doesn’t suffer fools very well and he has a low tolerance for hypocrisy. He believes that evil flourishes when good men stand silent. He has zero tolerance also for those who think they are right all the time and will lie to try to cover it up. He also hates liars. (and isn’t too fond of Southern Baptists OR the French).

But I freely admit when I’m wrong and someone shows me the error of my ways. I TRY to be kind and gentle like Mary Elizabeth, but the truth is I’m about as cuddly as a porcupine. I’m “rather direct, even blunt in my mannerisms,” (a direct quote from one of my military evaluation forms.) I’m the same in “real life” as I am online. That’s scary isn’t it?

But I don’t hold grudges. I can fight tooth and nail with someone and 30 seconds later offer them a cold drink. I have few friends, but those few I can count on to the death and they can count on me to the death. I believe in honor, (that doesn’t mean jump on ‘er and stay on ‘er), and intellectual integrity.

And like everyone else, sometimes I just have a bad day like every one else and my already low tolerance is even lower.

Does that help?

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:56 pm

Soothsayer — “That young woman is married to Rupert Murdoch?”

Good on ya Rupie, huh?

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:56 pm

Rightwing troll,

Obama don’t want none of Rick Perry. He don’t. I think Perry takes the nomination and gives Obama a debate beatdown. Its coming. Book it cause its all over but the shouting.

Normal

July 19th, 2011
6:57 pm

All y’all had better form a circle and pull out your Harry Potter wands, ’cause that’s the only way President Obama will lose…especially once the Country defaults and the millions of Seniors don’t get their Social Security check. The “Boomers” are not a voting block you want to piss off. That blame will be placed directly on the GOP and November 2012 will be pay back time. President Obama will win in a walk.

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
6:57 pm

I can’t imagine Michele Bachmann on oxycontin. Probably Imitrex. I don’t oxycontin is approved for migraines.

Normal

July 19th, 2011
6:58 pm

(and isn’t too fond of Southern Baptists OR the French).

Moi, Fred?

Jay

July 19th, 2011
6:58 pm

In other words, Thulsa, it’s MY fault you’re a hypocrite?

Peadawg

July 19th, 2011
6:58 pm

Blame blame blame November 2012 November 2012…wow y’all are a sad bunch.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
6:59 pm

I issued a challenge to the liberals to present me with the detailed executive experience that made Obama qualified to be potus to begin with. Or at least some private sector accomplishments that would indicate that he has a clue about what business owners face everyday. So far crickets chirping….. chirping…… chirping…..

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
7:00 pm

Normal — “All y’all had better form a circle and pull out your Harry Potter wands”

Dude, nobody cares what kind of porn you like.

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
7:00 pm

Perry is so much like W it’s scary, smirk and all… I’m not a huge Obama fan myself, but unless I see a better option, I’m sitting this one out.

Normal

July 19th, 2011
7:01 pm

Fred,
About friends…I saw a card once that said, “A friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend is sitting in jail with you saying, ‘Damn, that was fun’.”

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:01 pm

Jay,

You set the ground rules Jay. Its your world and I’m just playing in it.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:01 pm

“and with the news media constantly bashing Palin and praising Obama”

That line is tired and out of date Thulsa. Or are you admitting that FOX NEWS isn’t really “news” media? That the papers that Murdoch owns aren’t “news media.” Or that a large proportion of Americans DON’T get their “news” from talk show radio hosts like Rush and Neal.

You can’t have it both ways. Find a better “argument” (excuse).

You are better than that, I’ve seen it. Stretch your mind a little, the chains are loosening, free yourself, you are on the cusp of becoming a free thinker, I KNOW you can think for yourself……… flex……… flex a little harder……….. come on, you can DO it……..

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:02 pm

“I was just reading today about a school district in Texas that will be charging parents for school bus service…”

That’s all I needed to know! RT just proved what a loser Perry is! I will NEVER vote for Perry because of this important and factual information RT has provided! I will vote for Obama now and forevermore because of RT!

Thanks for saving us from Perry, RT!

Normal

July 19th, 2011
7:03 pm

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
7:00 pm

I’m not that happy with President Obama either, but I’m not sitting out. I’m too afraid of what might happen.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:03 pm

Rightwing Troll,

When you return from liberal fantasy land kindly bring me back one of them chocolatey unicorns. I hear they are quite delicious. And since you’re in a really deep dream world get them with the sprinkles on em too. Thank you sir.

josef

July 19th, 2011
7:05 pm

I won’t vote for him, but when it comes to who’s the best qualified based on experience, he’s head and shoulders above any of the rest of them except Hillary, who I might be convinced to vote for…that is if she gave me some of those cookies she’s been baking using Tammy Wynette’s recipe!

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
7:05 pm

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
6:53 pm
Joe, Here is todays poll. Read it yourself.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll – Rasmussen Reports™ Daily Presidential Tracking Poll. Tuesday, July 19, 2011. Email a Friend …. 54% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law, 52% Say Law Will Increase Deficit …
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/…/daily_presidential_tracking_poll – Cached – Similar

Normal

July 19th, 2011
7:06 pm

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:02 pm
“I was just reading today about a school district in Texas that will be charging parents for school bus service…”

See? Perry just raised taxes on parents and called it a school bus fee.
What a loser.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:06 pm

Thulsa Doom

From while you were out, regarding Rep Bachmann:

admittedly ‘nutty’ is in the ear of the beholder, but here’s a synopsis on some of her views based on her voting record.

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm

I’d venture to guess that voting

to “Declare preborn as persons under 14th amendment. (Feb 2009) ”

to “Grant the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment. (Jan 2007) ”

“NO on regulating the subprime mortgage industry. (Nov 2007) ”

“NO on letting shareholders vote on executive compensation. (Jul 2009) ”

“NO on protecting whistleblowers from employer recrimination. (Mar 2007) ”

“Identify constitutionality in every new congressional bill. (Jul 2010) ”

“Bachmann signed H.R.197&S.845

Establishes a national standard for the carrying of concealed firearms (other than a machinegun or destructive device) by non-residents. Authorizes a person who has a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state and who is not prohibited from carrying a firearm under federal law to carry a concealed firearm in another state:”

(so much for the Feds not telling states how to run their affairs)

in such a manner would cause some people to think her views are ‘nutty.’

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
7:06 pm

You guys are a riot. I take it Bachmann can count on getting a few votes from the Republicans posting here. Maybe she’ll send each of you a bumper sticker. Something like, I raised 23, So can You. Make Abortions Illegal. Then again, there are so many possibilities.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:08 pm

Soothsayer: The following was posted by Midori downstairs (was a very good thread BTW, not so much hate and a lot of good posts):

Fred/Getalife – some background on Mrs. Murdock. After reading this, you won’t be surprised by her actions today:

Born in Jinan, Shandong, she was originally named Wenge Deng. She is the third of four children born to engineers. While Deng was in high school, her father relocated to Hangzhou, where he was employed at the People’s Machinery Works; she and her family remained behind for a short while. In 1985, when she was 16 years old, Deng enrolled in Guangzhou Medical College.

In 1987 Deng met an American businessman and his wife, Jake and Joyce Cherry, who had temporarily relocated to China to help build a refrigerator factory. Deng asked the couple for tutoring lessons in English, which Joyce eventually provided. In 1988, she abandoned her medical studies and travelled to the United States to study, with the Cherrys sponsoring Deng’s student visa. Deng enrolled at California State University, Northridge, where she studied economics.

After entering the United States, Deng lived with the Cherry family for a while when attending university. Mrs. Cherry suspected her husband was having an affair with Deng (30 years his junior) and demanded she leave the house. Mr. Cherry soon followed and moved in with her. The two married in 1990. Deng and Cherry’s marriage lasted 2 years and 7 months before they were legally divorced, but he would later explain they only stayed together for 4 or 5 months, after which he learned of the extramarital relationship Deng had with David Wolf. Nonetheless, she had been able to secure a green card through being legally married to Cherry.

In 1997, Deng met Rupert Murdoch at a company party in Hong Kong. Deng and Murdoch married in 1999, less than three weeks after his divorce from ex-wife Anna Maria Torv Murdoch Mann was finalized.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:09 pm

Normal

“Perry just raised taxes on parents and called it a school bus fee.
What a loser.”

Better than that – with an exploding school population he cut funding by billions. Then he had the presence of mind (sarc) to say “hey, if lots of teachers get laid off, don’t blame me. I don’t lay off teachers. Blame your school boards.”

He’s right up there with Rupert Murdoch in accepting responsibility.

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
7:10 pm

Thanks. I heard the Obama Department of Education is so broke that the school children in Texas will have to walk to school. What a mean spirited incompetent boob we have in the white house.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:11 pm

Mighty Righty

It’s got nothing to do with Federal funding. It’s entirely at the state level.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:13 pm

Thanks, Normal! You’ve convinced me that I will always vote Obama as many times as I can (thanks ACORN!) because of unsubstantiated Texas bus fees!

Hopey/Changey forever!!!!

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:14 pm

Normal? Are you french or Baptist or both lol? That’s why Josef periodically addresses my in french, to pull my chain. But of ALL the french varieties, I have a soft place in my heart for Cajuns.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:14 pm

Fred,

Fox news has their hard news component which isn’t much different then network news. And then they have the Oreilly and Hannity which obviously is biased. They don’t even try to hide that just as MSNBC doesn’t try to hide the fact that its ultra left wing with Chris Matthews, Rachel Madow, and whatever network Joy Behar is on. Somewhow this seems to escape people but the reality is that the left has quite a few left wing hosts themselves that don’t present as hard news. At least on Hannity and Oreilly and especially Hannity they have the liberal side debating against them every single night. I can’t imagine why it bothers people so much if Hannity is going at it every night with a Bob Beckel or Al Sharpton or whoever the liberal of the day is. Why does seeing both sides presented in head to head debate every night bother the liberals so much?

And the networks certainly tilt left. Good grief we had Dan Rather at CBS he of the Bush hate mongering. Katie Couric was also liberal. For God’s sake I think NBC rehashes the Obama talking points to start off its program. And Diane Sawyer who I think is with ABC. is there any doubt that this woman is liberal? I saw her a couple months ago trying to convince the weather man into saying that the cause of the tornados that hit Tuscaloosa and Joplin were climate change related. I was embarrassed for the woman for playing her card so blatantly.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
7:15 pm

Yeah, I guess Thulsa’s right. Those liberals really ought to be more gentlemanly …

Florida GOP Congressman Allen West this afternoon dispatched a scathing personal email to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, calling her “vile, unprofessional ,and despicable,” “a coward,” “characterless,” and “not a Lady,” and demanding that she “shut the heck up.”

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:15 pm

Paul, no matter how many times you post those lies it doesn’t make them true.

Just trying to help.

josef

July 19th, 2011
7:16 pm

PAUL

Maybe the APS could hire him…he sounds like he’s got the “…if I…not me…” qualification down pat.

midtownguy

July 19th, 2011
7:16 pm

38.5% of US adults hold a college degree and only 7.5% hold a master’s degree but every adult gets to vote. That is the only possible explanation for Bachmann leading.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:17 pm

F. Sinkwich

You have cites to show that is NOT how Rep Bachmann voted?

You really should be very careful here. Some just might pause and question your credibility.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:18 pm

“calling her “vile, unprofessional ,and despicable,” “a coward,” “characterless,” and “not a Lady,”

Truth hurts, huh, Jay?

C’mon, man up.

ty webb

July 19th, 2011
7:19 pm

Jay,
come on, care to share what wasserman-shultz has said about republicans in the past?

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
7:19 pm

Righty — “Joe, Here is todays poll. Read it yourself.”

Linky no worky. But maybe you need evidence. No problem. It is as I said.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/slim-margin-americans-support-healthcare-bill-passage.aspx

And there are other polls — before and after that one — that show support for the provisions in the plan, and for some provisions that didn’t even make it in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States#Popular_opinion

Support and opposition is not as cut-and-dried as you apparently like to think it is.

midtownguy

July 19th, 2011
7:21 pm

Although I will admit that watching Bachmann is fun, she is the right’s Cynthia McKinney. And her husband is about on par with Cynthia’s daddy.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
7:21 pm

And now some more on the ABC poll, the one to which Jay chose to provide the link.

Polls are interesting things when you really look at the sample. As you can see in the last item, this poll is slightly skewed towards democrats, which may not be surprising to some. There are plenty of other poll questions omitted from this post (not good for republicans in many cases) as an illustration of why polls are cited in subjective ways by the party citing the poll. But then, that is no shocker. The respondents certainly don’t think the Republican Party is a darling, but Obama has some problems of his own.

It is also worth noting that this poll is not limited to registered voters, or even likely voters, which makes the poll of limited use when trying to honestly gauge opinion of the actual electorate.

Washington Post-ABC News Poll

1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?
Approve: 47% (strongly 25%) This with a democrat leaning sample
Disapprove: 48 (strongly 35%)

2. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Obama is handling?
The economy
Approve: 39% (strongly 18%)
Disapprove: 57% (strongly 43%) Again, with a democrat leaning sample

The budget deficit
Approve: 38% (strongly 22%)
Disapprove: 60% (strongly 45%) Remember the sample

Taxes
Approve: 45% (strongly 24%)
Disapprove: 47% (strongly 34%)

16. Has Obama been too willing or not willing enough to compromise with the leadership of the Republican Party on the budget deficit?
Too willing: 29%
Not willing enough: 58% Remember the democrat leaning sample

21. Do you think large cuts in federal spending would do more to (create jobs) or do more to (cut jobs) in this country?
7/17/2011– Create:47% Cut: 44% Neither: 3% No Opinion: 6%
3/13/2011– Create:41% Cut: 45% Neither: 7% No Opinion: 7%

901. Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as (a Democrat), (a Republican), an independent or what?
Democrat: 32% Republican:26% Independent: 34% Other: 6% No Opinion: 2%

Non-Partisans in Sample are Leaning:
Democrat: 17%
Republican: 16%
No Lean: 9%

As they say at Chick-Fil-A: “My pleasure”. And with that I am off to can some vegetables.

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
7:22 pm

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:11 pm
Mighty Righty

It’s got nothing to do with Federal funding. It’s entirely at the state level.

Surely you must know that the Federal Government sends money to the states for education.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:22 pm

Paul,

Half that stuff is just anti abortion positions. Half the darn country is anti abortion. Does that make half the country nutty because they feel abortion is murder?

The subprime industry was regulated. .Just ask Barney Frank and co. And take a look at who ran Fannie mae which was a whose who of dem bigwigs. And why did Frankling Raines walk away with 110 million when fannie mae was at the center of the whole collapse. Nevertheless a lotta blame to go around. And frankly I dont know enough about that bill or the others following it to ascertain why her positions were what they were and exactly what the bills cover. What you have posted is to oversimplified. They look like talking points that don’t explain her whole position and I would have to reserve judgement until seeing something a little more indepth. I would also have to look at the source and credibility of the website putting out these talking points. If its far left then obviously its biased.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:23 pm

“You have cites to show that is NOT how Rep Bachmann voted?”

I don’t waste my time proving negatives, Paul.

For a truly unbiased site, try dailykos.com.

:lol:

midtownguy

July 19th, 2011
7:26 pm

I bet Wasserman-Schultz (note the hyphenated name) doesn’t give a rat’s backside if a conservative Republican male considers her a “lady”. LOL

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:26 pm

Thulsa: I missed your point. Does or does not Rupert Murdoch own Fox5 Atlanta?

Open your eyes, that liberal media thing is way debunked and old. Fox IS a network.

And you bring up that debunked fraud Dan Rather? Why? Katie Couric also has been marginalized has she not? i don’t know because I can’t stomach on of the network OR cable national (non)news shows. I have no idea who Chris Matthews, Joy Behar, or Rachel Madow are.

But then again I don’t know who is leading right now on Idol, Dancing with the stars, the bachelorette or Survivor. I lump all those shows as “newsworthy” as any of the networks (and I include FOXNEWS and CNN as networks).

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:26 pm

Jay

Interesting about Congressman (LtCol, USA, ret) West.

Retired officers are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Article 88 provides ““Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

A discussion on applicability and the standard for retired officers is here:

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/repost-are-retired-military-subject-to-ucmj-etc/

“MILINET: Retired Military ARE Subject to the UCMJ–Lt. Gen. Bob Springer, USAF (ret.) Inbox

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Frederick W. Kagan’s “Let the Generals Speak” (May 8) wrongly claims that retired military officers are not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. All those receiving retired pay are subject to the UCMJ.

Lt. Gen. Bob Springer, USAF (ret.), Pinehurst, N.C.

Frederick W. Kagan responds: I readily acknowledge that I erred in stating that retired officers are not subject to the UCMJ. The question of the applicability of Article 88–which bans contemptuous speech directed at superiors and civilian leaders–is, however, more complicated. Apart from the fact that there are no cases of attempted prosecutions for violating this article, the standard for preferring such charges is different from the one required to accuse active duty officers. To prosecute a retired officer, the military would have to show that the words used “create a clear and present danger” leading to evils “that Congress has a right to prevent.” This hurdle is much higher than the requirement to show for active duty officers that “the speech interferes with . . . the orderly accomplishment of the mission or presents a clear danger to loyalty, discipline, mission, or morale of the troops.” Even discussing an Article 88 charge in the context of the retired generals’ statements is absurd”

But the point I see is, Rep West should, by virtue of his past career and oath of office, subject himself to a higher standard. To my mind, he’s in an even more disreputable state than even the ex-Air Force officer Governor Perry who cited the possibility of breaking apart the Union.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
7:27 pm

DemoNcrats voted for Obama because he was black.

Republicans will vote for Bachmann because she is hot.

Now …………. is that justice or what?

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
7:27 pm

Folks, I’m out for a few days. I hope everyone plays fair, drives safely and drinks lots of water and ice tea in this heat.

Be well, all.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:29 pm

Mighty Righty

Sure I know that.

I also know that when Gov Perry railed against the stimulus he took stim money for education and hundreds of millions for other stuff. And when the stim money rolled in he cut state funding by a like amount.

But in the school bus case I also know it’s an idea of a local school board near where I live in response to state education cuts.

Pres Obama has nothing to do with it.

md

July 19th, 2011
7:29 pm

Thanks for the clarification Fred….it is appreciated…….it is also appreciated that it was delivered by the nicer Fred. :)

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:29 pm

Jay,

Well I guess that one insult by a Repub more than makes up for 2-3 years worth of assaults on Palin and now Bachman doesn’t it Jay? Straight from the party whose president’s tactics is to lie and scare people by telling seniors they may not get their SS checks. Or the party that has commercials showing Congressman Ryan pushing granny off the cliff in wheelchair- real proud of that one are ya? Of course when the Dems refuse to come up with a specific plan themselves then its all they got is to resort to scare tactics when the other side does come up with a specific plan. Where is the Dems SPECIFIC plan on cutting the deficit anyhow. Heck, where’s that budget that’s been missing for over 800 days? Where dey at?? Or how about that loon congressman in Florida who said a year or 2 ago on the house floor that the whole Repub health care plan is for seniors to die, die, die.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
7:29 pm

Paul:

If you are correct in your viewpoint above (which you may well be) then Obama as Commander in Chief is also at least “technically” in violation and he should be held to a higher standard also.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
7:30 pm

Joe Mama:

Trust me ……………… this ain’t even close to hot.

F. Sinkwich

July 19th, 2011
7:31 pm

Fred:

” I have no idea who Chris Matthews, Joy Behar, or Rachel Madow are.”

There ya go…

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
7:32 pm

Joe Mama

July 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
Righty — “Joe, Here is todays poll. Read it yourself.”

Linky no worky. But maybe you need evidence. No problem. It is as I said.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/slim-margin-americans-support-healthcare-bill-passage.aspx

Joe. Pay attention. Your poll is from March of last year. That was before the American people knew what was in the plan. The poll I quoted was today.

midtownguy

July 19th, 2011
7:33 pm

You do all realize, when you consider it rationally, that a Bachmann nomination would mean four more years of Obama? Romney is the Republican’s only hope. It will be kinda like Nathan Deal, you will just have to hold your nose and vote for him because the alternative is totally unacceptable to you.

josef

July 19th, 2011
7:34 pm

Texas should have stayed a Republic. Until Lamar and his bunch came in, they were doing a pretty good job of it for those familiar with the history of the period.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:35 pm

midtown guy: I didn’t pay attention to her when Jay mentioned her, but I googled her after your did. That woman is FINE. I found Jay’s comments odd after reading what Democratic in her district posted here:

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/broward/blog/2008/04/republican_sheriff_lamberti_an.html

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:37 pm

come on now md: I only jumped your ass once and that was before I “knew” you.

One thing I forgot to add. ‘Nice Fred” is the anomaly………..

Jack

July 19th, 2011
7:37 pm

Bookman hits on Wall Street and corporations without which he’d not have a job.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:37 pm

F. Sinkwich

It’s not proving negatives, silly.

I reference her voting record. It’s a matter of… record!

So when I say she voted to grant preborn equal protection under the 14th amendment and provide a link that leads to “Source: Right to Life Act (H.R.618) 2007-HR618 on Jan 22, 2007 ”

it should be pretty easy for you to say “there is no such thing as HR618!!!” and provide a cite.

Or heck, you could go to the Library of Congress and find a record of HR 618 here

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00618:

and read all about the resolution and the cosponsors and even read the text of the resolution.

Unless you assert the Library of Congress lies?

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:38 pm

Fred,

What exactly is the point about Rupert Murdoch? What’s with the obsession with the man. So a newspaper he owns over in another country thousands of miles away was doing crazy stuff. mostly on celebrities, and he shut it down. And that has what to do with Fox news thousands of miles away? These are entirely different organizations with entirely different corporate cultures.

With all due respect Fred I think you need to open your eyes a little bit. In my view there is no question that the 3 major networks lean left and of course CNN and MSNBC are left. CNN was started and owned by bigtime lib Ted Turner and MSNBC does not try to hide the fact that its far left. As for Couric she will or is gone but the point remains she leaned left. If you think the 3 networks are completely unbiased despite people like Couric, Rather,. Diane Sawyer, etc then I just don’t know what to say to you.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:40 pm

Later Joe Momma, the left will miss your posts lol.

midtownguy

July 19th, 2011
7:41 pm

Fred: Wasserman-Shultz does hold a Bachelor’s and Master’s degree from the University of Florida. But we will just have to forgive her for that.

Mighty Righty

July 19th, 2011
7:41 pm

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:29 pm

I know you guys are scared to death of Rick Perry and for good reason. He has created more jobs in his state than the “in over his head” Bamster has in the entire country. Further Texas is far better off financially than our other “56″ states. But really, you will have to find something more substantial to whine about to keep him from burying your man in a land slide.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:42 pm

Thulsa

Those were the votes I selected that struck me as pretty nutty. And voting to give preborns 14th Amendment protections has a lot more implications than abortion.

You did review the other votes, didn’t you?

The subprime – you do know the gov’t report said the regulators were not doing their job? So when legislation was drafted to help prevent recurrence Rep Bachmann voted against it?

But if you want to reserve judgment until you’ve researched the bills, her votes and what it means, that’s fine. You will do that, won’t you? Before posting anything stating nothing she has said or done is nutty? Because you don’t have all the facts yet?

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:44 pm

Have a good one, Joe Mama

Scout

Your 7:29

Just what ARE you talking about? He’s the CIC, not a commissioned officer.

Surely as an ex-military guy you understand the distinction. Civilian control of the military and all that -

md

July 19th, 2011
7:46 pm

“‘Nice Fred” is the anomaly………..”

Well…..put the other one in the closet……as my daddy used to say, “ugliness is never needed to make a point”………..

Paul

July 19th, 2011
7:46 pm

Mighty Righty

“I know you guys are scared to death of Rick Perry and for good reason. He has created more jobs in his state than the “in over his head” Bamster has in the entire country. Further Texas is far better off financially than our other “56″ states. But really, you will have to find something more substantial to whine about to keep him from burying your man in a land slide.”

I’ve lived here a dozen years and follow the state and local politics pretty well.

Your post is remarkably uninformed.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:47 pm

Of course when the Dems refuse to come up with a specific plan themselves then its all they got is to resort to scare tactics when the other side does come up with a specific plan.

Well President Obama proposed his budget. Congress reject it. It’s now up to Congress to say what they will “accept” (Constitutionally). Of course Obama can veto it and the Repubs aren’t veto proof so they have to negotiate.

Bottom line, Obama did HIS job the first week of january. All the truth twisting and obfuscation aside, the ball is in the Republicans court. What they gonna do?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
7:57 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
7:38 pm

What exactly is the point about Rupert Murdoch? What’s with the obsession with the man. So a newspaper he owns over in another country thousands of miles away was doing crazy stuff. mostly on celebrities, and he shut it down. And that has what to do with Fox news thousands of miles away? These are entirely different organizations with entirely different corporate cultures.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Huh? I don’t give a rats ass about what’s going on in England. i didn’t bring that stuff up, YOU did, skome mirrors and obfuscation.

The FACTS are that HERE in THE USA RUpert Murdoch owns FOXNEWS as well as the FOX TV netowrks. (You know like Fox5 here in Atlanta). He owns the Wall Street Journal. He owns the Dow -Jones (who provides news for CNBC).

So what in the HELL is your point? If we were keeping score, I’m whipping your butt everytime you turn around and continue this useless “argument” on “major media”. Get that stupid phrase out of your Rush programmed mind. It was ONCE true but it is no longer.

Come on now, FLEX those mental muscles. I KNOW you are wanting to think for yourself. Use the Force Luke……….

josef

July 19th, 2011
7:59 pm

Fred

Sois sage, Mec. Certains d’entre nous connaissons qui est vraiment le Fred amable, Uppity du Pédigré! Mais, ne t’inquiéte pas. Nous ne le dirons à personne, St. Fred le Baptiste. :-)

theyeshaveit

July 19th, 2011
8:03 pm

Michelle,

Don’t Bach down! Stay in the race; hey, win the race. I can’t wait to see the debates.

theyeshaveit

July 19th, 2011
8:06 pm

josef,

Uppity du Pédigré,/i>? Is that a creole tongue you’re speaking?

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
8:07 pm

Paul

Have I ever told you how I enjoy the posts that essentially suggest that you don’t have a clue about what Perry’s doing in Texas?

I’m gonna grab a beer and get caught up to speed now. :)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:08 pm

Happy 38 Bro. Where did they take you?

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
8:09 pm

I wonder if Bachmann would pick Palin as her running mate. Hail Mary, Part Deux.

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:10 pm

I’ll vote for Michelle but I’ll adopt a Towelhead into my family before I’ll vote for Romney. We don’t need no RINOs that signed Obamacare before there was a Obamacare and thinks it’s OK to just let the gays skate. Much less one that wears Special Underwear and will want to take the oath on the Book of Mormon. I can’t hardly wait to see the First Gentleman start a campaign to pray all the gays straight.

A serious question for J-Nix:

You don’t see the poetry? the beauty? the Pulitzer-worthiness? You think it’s just another troool? really?

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:11 pm

38? I remember 38. I think.

josef

July 19th, 2011
8:13 pm

eyes

And by creole, what do you mean! There’s Uppity Créole, too, you know. Blancs créoles avec pédigrés!

:-)

moonbat betty

July 19th, 2011
8:13 pm

Lets go with the dem’s and obama’s idea!

fairness.

CNBC/CNN all the time baby

here is your chance…

weeeeeeeeeee!

theyeshaveit

July 19th, 2011
8:14 pm

38? Is that an age or a waist size. :-)

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:14 pm

I wonder if Bachmann would pick Palin as her running mate.

I wonder if anything less than a 50 state sweep would be a disgrace for the Uppity Muslim.

Normal

July 19th, 2011
8:15 pm

Fred,
Father was French Canadian…socialism is in my genes… :)
——————-

Paul,
Perry is the “Real Deal”, huh?

Paul

July 19th, 2011
8:16 pm

Brosephus

Consider it a birthday present! Congrats!

Just checked in in the midst of catching up on national news and notice the volume of posts has decreased quite a bit.

Normal

July 19th, 2011
8:16 pm

Oh, and Fred…Southern Baptist? Bite your tongue!

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:17 pm

Paul

July 19th, 2011
8:18 pm

eyeshaveit

“38? Is that an age or a waist size”

I think it has something to do with Pamela Anderson.

Normal

About as real as Pamela’s 38s, I should think -

MrLiberty

July 19th, 2011
8:18 pm

There IS one republican in congress that cares about my family’s future and the future of america enough to speak the truth and not worry about politics – Ron Paul. All these other big government war mongers may make all the claims they want. Ron Paul is probably america’s last hope for freedom, liberty, sound money, a responsible foreign policy, an end to the drug war, small government, etc. Well that is without getting all of that when the entire system collapses around our failed dollar.

Hey, its your future.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:18 pm

Josef, (you dog): Glad to know my secret is safe with you lol.

And yes, it will be a COLD day in Hell when I speak french back to you……….

theyeshaveit

July 19th, 2011
8:19 pm

std & Paul,

LOL.

liberals for bachmann

July 19th, 2011
8:24 pm

josef

July 19th, 2011
8:26 pm

SFD

I find it offensive. I don’t like it when straight folks try to shtik gay folks, goyim try to shtick Jews, white folks try to shtik blacks…unless they are very, very, good at it. He’s not in my opinion, nothing Red Neck about him…now, Larry the Cable Guy? Not always one of my favorite comedians, but he does know the language and he does know his “group” and he’s not one himself…

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:27 pm

liberals for bachman: That was WRONG on so many levels lol. But it was funny…….

liberals for bachmann

July 19th, 2011
8:28 pm

well if you’re cool like sfd you can throw around the “n” word.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
8:28 pm

Fred

Thanks!! We did TGI Friday’s. Had a craving for fried green beans. :) We’ll go out with all my in-laws on Sunday. I can’t remember the name of the place though.

dB

:)

eyes

Right now, it’s an age, but I damn sure wish it was a waist size. It’s hard to find good clothes when you’re a big guy. :)

Paul

It’s appreciated. I was surprised that this thread didn’t have the usual stuff going on, but I only read the last page. I skipped through the other stuff. I think Pam’s up in the 40’s. ;)

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:29 pm

j-nix, you never disappoint. Fergit, hell!

TaxPayer

July 19th, 2011
8:30 pm

I think it has something to do with Pamela Anderson.

38! Really! That must be a measurement of just one.

Midori

July 19th, 2011
8:30 pm

You guys want to see something painful (and funny)?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:30 pm

Normal: “French Canadian.”

Ah ya just gotta love those Canadians. The only Country to be conquered by the French since 1815……….. They took 1/3 right out of the middle of Canada………

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:31 pm

well if you’re cool like sfd you can throw around the “n” word.

Nancy-boy? I swear I only called Scout that the one time, honest!

Normal

July 19th, 2011
8:34 pm

Paul,
About as real as Pamela’s 38s, I should think -

Reminds me of a radio skit awhile back…”She walked into my office and pointed a pair of 38’s at me…she also had a gun.” :D

@@

July 19th, 2011
8:34 pm

Florida GOP Congressman Allen West this afternoon dispatched a scathing personal email to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, calling her “vile, unprofessional ,and despicable,” “a coward,” “characterless,” and “not a Lady,” and demanding that she “shut the heck up.”

Whooaaaa, that’s a bit much. I’da just said she’s not too bright.

I’ve seen the woman interviewed. She leaves a lot to be desired on the intellectual front.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
8:36 pm

The GOP has “slipped its moorings”. Man that’s laughable when you see a hard-left politician nominated by the Democrats and slipping through the electorate and getting elected. Yes, I am talking about Barack Husein Obama. Won’t even bother to mention Pelosi and Reid. Talk about fringes.

liberals for bachmann

July 19th, 2011
8:37 pm

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:38 pm

Josef:

I don’t like it when straight folks try to shtik gay folks, goyim try to shtick Jews, white folks try to shtik blacks…unless they are very, very, good at it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

but are you fine when gay folks try to shtik straights, Jews shtik goyim, and black folks shtik whites (or Mexicans shtik whites)?

josef

July 19th, 2011
8:38 pm

SFD

Fergit hell? Where does that come in on this one?

BROSEPHUS

And a Happy Brosephus Day from me and the Unmentionable!

Paul

July 19th, 2011
8:41 pm

Normal

And on a hearty laugh from that, I gotta say

Pleasant evening, all -

josef

July 19th, 2011
8:42 pm

FRED

“but are you fine when gay folks try to shtik straights, Jews shtik goyim, and black folks shtik whites (or Mexicans shtik whites)?”

Generally speaking, no, I’m not okay with it. Like I said, it CAN be done, but you have to be very, very good…and you have to take out the mean streak…

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
8:44 pm

dB

Have you been saying “N”egotiate again? I ought to wash your mouth out with soap!!!!!

josef

Appreciate it. Tell him I said thanks too. Found out this weekend that my initial thoughts were right. Cousin said it was Creek and not Cherokee in the background. I thought it would be hard to find Cherokee in Central Alabama, but that was just me. Now, I just gotta find out if it was Red Feather or not. ;)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:45 pm

Brocephus: You just say the word and ya’ll can come to the house. I’ll make you anything you want. You want Country Cooking (or soul as I’ve seen it called) I’ll knock your grandma’s socks off with my collard greens, black eyed peas, boiled okra, cornbread and pulled pork (or ribs). You want highfalutin’ gourmet food I can do that too. I can dish up some Italian, French, or Cajun in a heartbeat. Asian too, (Korean, Japanese or Chinese). Anything else let me know. I have time to get it down………… The only thing I can’t do is drive you home lol.

out of the blue

July 19th, 2011
8:46 pm

After viewing this video, and you still back Bachmann or would considering for her…..You my friend are an imbecile.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×601439

josef

July 19th, 2011
8:49 pm

out of the blue

July 19th, 2011
8:50 pm

oops, should have read, or consider voting for her

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
8:50 pm

It’s truly amazing (actually it really isn’t) to hear Democrats putting down Cuts in spending, capping spending programs and supporting a balanced budget amendment. The Dem’s no longer live in main stream America. The party has become puppets for the hard left socialists. The two party system that worked so well in this country for many years has crumbled after many years of decay. The Republicans have certainly contributed to the decay and hopefully are moving back toward their principals. Time will tell as Americans are fed up.

stands for decibels

July 19th, 2011
8:52 pm

Fergit hell? Where does that come in on this one?

tribal loyalty.

Gots to go. Later, gators.

liberals for bachmann

July 19th, 2011
8:52 pm

Imagine that, Recon.

Conserving money….?

That’s pretty easy to understand.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:53 pm

JOSEF:

I think (and may be mistaken) that you may be a little harsh taking that position. I find it all done right, even IF there is a barb in there, because underneath, there always IS a barb in there. Even in this one which I find funny as hell, (and he IS very very good).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbppTv4pCGQ

Fred

July 19th, 2011
8:54 pm

Midori; I had to put up with a full minute of commercials to watch your link. i choose not to.

Bill Maer

July 19th, 2011
8:58 pm

All Conservative Republican women should go back to the kitchen and shutup! Only liberal women who loves abortions should be allowed to vote!!

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:00 pm

out of the blue

Thanks…I was trying to find that earlier…

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
9:00 pm

Liberals for bauchman,

It’s easy to understand but the politicians don’t really care about what’s understandable, their only purpose is getting elected and re-elected. This mind set unfortunately exists for members of both parties.

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:02 pm

SFD

What tribe? It appears to me you’re coming from a place I know not of on this one…methinks there’s a little bit of a white sheet of your own peeking out…would it be Rednecks are Jewish?

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
9:07 pm

Fred

I’m easy to please for the most part. As long as I know what it is and what it will do to my body, I’m cool. Every now and then, I’ll venture out into the unknown. Don’t really have any favorites, but before I leave this Earth, I’m gonna try to do me a seafood gumbo from scratch. I’ve never tried to make it before, but if it’s done right, I’ll consume it on any day that ends with a “y”. :)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:07 pm

Josef: Odd that your would use an In Living Color skit. As I was out of the country at the time I missed that WHOLE show and for some reason it’s not syndicated ( Heck I missed the whole formation of FOX as a network, I’ve heard the Tracy Ullman show was awesome). HOWEVER (you knew there would be a however), I saw one episode where Jim Carey played like this militant gay guy. It’s not the one I’m going to link, maybe the character was a recurring role, I don’t know, but I found this one and I thought it was funny………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQuEvwnujOU

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:07 pm

unfortunately Fred that’s the way it is.

But give it another try.

plllleeezzze? :)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:08 pm

Brochephus, you say the word and I’ll gumbo you up. My coon ass neighbor (cajun) likes my gumbo. He’s a chef…………

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
9:10 pm

The major polls have been trending in the presidents disfavor, so I don’t know where this belief that he’s winning the P/R battle really comes from.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
9:13 pm

As long as I know what it is and what it will do to my body, I’m cool.

Brosephus–About the only thing I miss about working in Riverdale is a restaurant called “This Is It”. Ever try it??

The healthiest meals in town are over at the Soul Vegetarian Restaurant in the West End (second location in Virginia Highlands. True vegetarian. Don’t think I’ve ever seen another white person in there, however. ;-)

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:14 pm

Midori: (do you remember our “fights” the first times I came to this blog, probably not I was fly by then), I WILL put up with the commercials JUST for you. But first my daughter says I have to search the for the “internet sensation” Fred………..

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:15 pm

FRED
@ 8:53
That was (and he is) good at it…and the underneath barb is what I’m talking about…it’s when somebody feels like they have to hit you over the head with it in a mean spirited way…

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:20 pm

FRED
@ 9:07

I got as far as 1:22 before I turned it off…and BTW I AM a big Carey fan…

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:20 pm

thanks Fred.

I don’t remember fighting with you.

was I drunk??? :lol:

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:24 pm

BROSEPHUS

The secret to a good gumbo is the roux…it takes LOTS of practice to get right..

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:26 pm

midori

You can always claim “G-d Was I Drunk Last Night!” :-)

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:27 pm

josef – in your opinion, how long does it take to make a roux?

it gets tiring stirring that dang spoon!! :)

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:28 pm

like I haven’t done that already, Josef :)

you should have known me during my wild days :)

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
9:28 pm

Fred,

You just lost all credibility when you throw out the “you are a Rush Limbaugh programmed mind” card. You’re not a mind reader. You don’t know what my listening and reading habits are. And if the best you got is to just call someone a Rush Limbaugh robot then your best aint good enough.

Paul,

In reference to Bachman and all those positions there were probably a lot of people who supported many of those positions. If you think that someone sponsoring legislation to support a pro life position is “nutty” then you’re simply coming from a far left position and that is why it would seem nutty from your perspective. To a lot of everyday Americans being pro life and sponsoring legislation to support such a cause is anything but “nutty”. To them its just a righteous cause. I seriously doubt that makes all of those people “nutty”. Just like I don’t think Dems who supported Obamacare are nutty. Just wrong.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:29 pm

Josef: I hate Carey. Naw that’sthe wrong word, I intensely dislike his work. But I Loved the Majestic and I heard the Spotless mind or something like that is equally as good. (I turned that clip off around that point as well, wish I could have found the one I remembered)

Midori: I dunno if you were or not, but at that time I was reading and listening to the talk show host stuff and using bumper sticker talk. I had a closed mind. While you STILL are left wing, I’m not combative of that anymore, I opened my mind.

on the other thing, were you talking about the Marcel Marceau bit or something else? I clicked your link and saw for the first time Chris………. I dunno, the hardball guy. I didn’t like him on first watching. I didn’t find the Marcel Marceau thing funny, anymore than I find Boortz and his “Obama sucks” shtik funny. Should I watch more? It’s still cued up. I hit pause so all I have to do is click on the window and hit play……….

Rightwing Troll

July 19th, 2011
9:29 pm

“Thanks. I heard the Obama Department of Education is so broke that the school children in Texas will have to walk to school.”

Well of course thats what you heard… that isn’t what was said, but there is no doubt in my mind you heard it exactly as above…

That’s the problem with “conservatives”, they can’t even comprehend the written or spoken word any more, they interpolate all forms of communication into Faux News talking points…

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
9:29 pm

The US government (White House and Congress) spends $10 billion dollars a month, or $120 billion a year, to fight an estimated “50 -75 ‘Al Qaeda types’ in Afghanistan.” If we multiply this by the two dozen or so sites and countries where the White House claims ‘Al Qaeda’ terrorists have been spotted, we begin to understand why the US budget deficit has grown astronomically to over $1.6 trillion for the current fiscal year.

[T]he early success of the Afghan war was seen as a prelude to the launching of a sequence of successful wars, first against Iraq and to be followed by Iran , Syria and beyond. These would serve the triple purpose of enhancing Israeli regional power, controlling strategic oil resources and enlarging the arc of US military bases from South and Central Asia, through the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean.

[T]he real force capable of sustaining a prolonged peoples wars against an imperial occupier, inflicting heavy casualties, undermining any local puppet regime and accumulating mass support is the Taliban and related nationalist resistance movements. Israeli-influenced US think-tanks, experts and advisers who portrayed the Islamic adversaries as inept, ineffective and cowardly, totally misread the Afghan resistance.

As for the neo-conservative pipe dreams of successful sequential wars, cooked up by the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Libby et al, to eliminate Israel’s adversaries and turn the Persian Gulf into a Hebrew lake, the prolonged wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan has, in fact, strengthened Iran’s regional influence, turned the entire Pakistani people against the US and strengthened mass movements against US clients throughout the Middle East.

[T]here is a deep and quiet discomfort within the leading circles of the Obama regime: The “best and brightest” among his top officials are scampering to jump ship before the coming deluge: the Economic Guru Larry Summers, Rahm Emmanuel, Stuart Levey, Peter Orzag, Bob Gates, Tim Geithner and others, responsible for the disastrous wars, economic catastrophes, the gross concentration of wealth and the savaging of our living standards, have walked out or have announced their ‘retirement’, leaving it to the smiling con-men – President Obama and Vice-President ‘Joe’ Biden – and their ‘last and clueless loyalists’ to take the blame when the economy tanks and our social programs are wiped out. How else can we explain their less-than-courageous departures (to ‘spend more time with the family’) in the face of such a deepening crisis? The hasty retreat of these top officials is motivated by their desire to avoid political responsibility and to escape history’s indictment for their role in the impending economic debacle.

Ker-plunk!

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
9:30 pm

Not much on polls, but this one caught my eye:

“‘Jersey Shore’ not hurting New Jersey image”

http://www.ajc.com/travel/poll-jersey-shore-not-1023695.html

From the article:

“Among Midwesterners, New Jersey got a 37 percent favorable rating, with 17 percent giving the state a thumbs-down. The South and the West both approve of New Jersey by 41-15 percent margins.”

BADA BING

July 19th, 2011
9:31 pm

josef…..did you see on Carey’s twitter site that he was in Machu Picchu 2 weeks ago? He tweeted and took pics of himself in front on the ruins. I love Jim, always have. I will be in Machu Picchu in 10 weeks if all goes as planned.

in the still of the night

July 19th, 2011
9:32 pm

Amen, Thulsa.

Kamchak

July 19th, 2011
9:32 pm

how long does it take to make a roux?

Depends on how dark you want it. According to a Good Eats show, Alton Brown advocates making the darker ones in the oven.

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:32 pm

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:33 pm

Paul:

That’s why I put “technically” in quotes. He still should show respect as the Commander in Cheif/President but he doesn’t.

P.S. Do “civilians” salute ?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:33 pm

Josef, (and Midori): have you ever heard of or tried the oven roux:

http://www.deepsouthdish.com/2009/03/easy-dark-oven-roux.html

Obviously I’ve heard of it, but I haven’t tried it. I do it the old fashioned way, which as Midori notes is a pain in the ass. I’ve spent hours babysitting a roux……………..

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:34 pm

thanks Kammy :)

MARCEL MARCEAU

July 19th, 2011
9:34 pm

!,,.?.”".,!

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
9:34 pm

Soothsayer,

I’m all for pulling out of Afgh. Just a monumental waste of time and money. After Iraq it seemed it was always propositioned by the liberals that Afghn was the good war. Not so. We have about as much a chance of civilizing those people as we do of convincing Obama that the private sector is more efficient then big govt.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
9:35 pm

Bruno

Done This is It before, and tried their barbecue. It was ok, but I’ve had better at other places. I’ve heard about that Veg Soul Food spot but haven’t tried it yet.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:36 pm

O.K. libs. …………….. do we shut down the BBQ joints ?

Headline: “Georgia declares war on obesity as rates continue to rise”

With a new study showing Tuesday that more than 30 percent of Georgians are obese, state public health officials said they are drawing up battle plans to try to stop the epidemic.

.
“We really have declared war on obesity,” said Dr. Kimberly Redding, director of the Health Promotion and Disease Prevention Program at the Georgia Department of Public Health.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
9:36 pm

In the still of the night–Just for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3DJhwAhrjY

Whitesnake would have been nothing without Tawny Kitaen.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:36 pm

Ok Thulsa. I was wrong. There really is little hope for you in regards to free thought. Continue on with your bumper speech talk. You are officially in the Kayaker, don’t read unless I am bored, nutcase category…………. Just damn, it takes a LOT to get in that group. You, recon, and kayaker hold the trinity there……….

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:36 pm

can’t we just shut you down instead, Scout?

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
9:37 pm

josef

That’s the main reason I have yet to attempt a gumbo….

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:40 pm

It just gets better ………………

Headline: “Elin Nordegren stunned to learn her new beau slept (why do we say slept?) with Tiger Woods mistress”

“After happily being out of the media glare for many months, Elin Nordegren is furious that she’s back in the spotlight — thanks to new boyfriend Jamie Dingman.

It’s all because word got out that the wealthy financier earlier had a fling with Rachel Uchitel — perhaps overlapping with her romp with Tiger Woods when he was Nordegren’s husband.”

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
9:41 pm

Thulsa: we’re pouring money and lives down a rat-hole. Bankrupting our nation. And have turned the entire World against us. While pursuing — what? I’m glad to hear you come out (is that the right term?) and say it.

No country has ever succeeded in conquering Afghanistan. Why, our leadership (right and left) thought we could is beyond me. I’m just glad that I don’t have to tell anyone that my son or daughter died in Afghanistan or Iraq.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:41 pm

Midori:

Now that wasn’t very nice.

Don’t you believe in freedom of speech ?

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:42 pm

as much as you do

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:42 pm

even Alexander The Great couldn’t conquer Afghanistan.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:42 pm

Headline: “Bachmann Headaches a Problem?”

………………………… or should it read, “Bachmann Problem a Headache?”

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:43 pm

Midori:

That’s cause he wasn’t as “Great” as he thought he was.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
9:43 pm

Fred,

And I guess you are the single arbiter of who is an enlightened, free thinker. Must be nice to be sitting up there in judgment of all the feeble minded. You must be God’s right hand mind in all your omniscience. Excuse me. Make that is left hand man. My what a lofty perch you preach from. And I guess I’ll just have to lump you in there with Joe Mama and maybe 1 other liberal as having a Phd in Knowitallogy. Carry on professor of knowitallogy.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:44 pm

Come on over Brochepus I’ll show you how to make a roux

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:44 pm

Brosephus

Got that at SE…WOW!!!

midori

It depends on what you’re going to make and what the ingredients will be…the longer, the darker. Unmentionable will take up to two hours on some of his when it’s really strong flavors he’s bringing in…for my etoufee, I usually go for an hour…

Oh, yes, y’all who are still learning…if you mess it up, throw it out and start over…it can’t be “saved.”
Mama said once that one of her friends made Baptist roux…it was saved and backslid… :-)

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:44 pm

Midori:

I served my country for 37 years so you could have yours.

What have you done to preserve mine ?

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:45 pm

I beg to differ, Scout.

He was a giant of his time. And all the great men in antiquity tried to emulate him.

Your track record on par or better?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
9:45 pm

1811,
a few days ago I recall your post to me in reference to the book “Matter Horn”. Truly a depressing read in my opinion as it described post Tet Vietnam circa 1999 after my time. It described racial tension and the political winding down of the war, while people were still getting killed. The Marine Corps had several years of purges and rebuilding to get it back to 1965 level capability. A dark time for the Corps.

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:46 pm

btw – I served mine as well.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
9:47 pm

Fred, you can also make decent roux in a microwave.

Seriously.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:47 pm

HEADLINE: “House passes ‘cut, cap and balance’ plan”

Now, which branch of our government (and which part of that branch) best (not perfect but best) represents the will of the majority (this is a representative democracy) of the American people?

Don’t answer …………… just sayin’ .

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
9:49 pm

Correction on my last, circa 1969.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:49 pm

Recon:

Yes it was ……………. I was in 2nd Division MP’s from May to October, 1968 at Lejeune.

Bottom line …………. after dark you did not go anywhere alone. You went in groups.

Truly a sad time for the Corps and the country.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:49 pm

Midori:

O.K., O.K. ………….. sorry.

Alexander the Sort of Great !

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:50 pm

The problem IS Thulsa thatI’m not a “liberal” i’m an independent. But to you fanatics, anyone who doesn’t run in lockstep with you is a “liberal” or a “wingnut” depending upon your party affiliation. How sad.

I really thought better of you than that. Are you and DaveR roommates?

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:50 pm

Midori:

Well good …………. then we protected each other.

MOS please ??

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
9:52 pm

Come on over Brochepus I’ll show you how to make a roux

Fred–You’re a brave man inviting Brosephus over for dinner. I don’t have that kind of money….. ;-)

You just lost all credibility when you throw out the “you are a Rush Limbaugh programmed mind” card.

Thulsa–I’m on your side on this one. On a good day, Rush pulls in 2 million or so listeners, less than 1% of the US population. Not sure why the Left wants to give the man so much power.

Midori

July 19th, 2011
9:52 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
9:53 pm

Soothsayer,

Well. Looks like we agree on something. The fact that Afgh has never been completely conquered isn’t my only reason for wanting to pull out. Its also because in the history of modern warfare I can’t think of a guerilla movement freely operating from another country that has been defeated. What’s the point. They can simply outwait you which is what the taliban will do. The other thing is that I just don’t see the Taliban as a threat. Al Qaeda is but not the Taliban. They’re happy just doing their thing growing poppy, beating their women, and living their backwards azz existence. They were never much of a problem and if I suspect that if we just lob cruise missiles at them if they give al qaeda santuary then eventually they’re realize it just isn’t worth harboring a few nuts. Last I just think we’re wasting our time trying to civilize those crazies. I don’t know that it can be done.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:54 pm

Matterhorn also shows the weakness in allowing commanders to run a war without being there.

It was a helicopter war ……….. commanded from the air. The highest ranking officer I ever saw on the ground was a major and he didn’t stay long.

The battalion commander was at 2,000 feet.

The regimental commander was at 3,000 feet

And the division commander was at 5,000 feet.

That 1 inch “click” on their maps didn’t look very far to them and hey all went back at dark for a hot meal, movie and a shower.

A real disservice to the grunt on the ground. Never should have been allowed ………….. if your battalion was in the field then you should have been too …………. right on up the line.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
9:55 pm

71Q? What is (was) that ?

josef

July 19th, 2011
9:56 pm

JAY

In a microwave! Heretic! Fatwah, Fatwah. ‘Sides, in case you missed it today, “those people” can’t have microwaves… :-)

OKAY

Alexander the Great? Hey, one of MY favorites from history…DADT! And he was sensitive and cultured, too… :-)

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
9:56 pm

A roux is just a fancy name for gravy — fat and flour. The longer you cook it the darker it becomes. The art is in not “scorching” it and ruining the flavor. My Mom used to make the best gravy after country-fried steak. My goodness! Oh, I know, not all fancy, but great nonetheless.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
9:57 pm

Really Jay? It’s in the link I provided (microwave roux) but I dismissed it out of hand. I may have to try it. However I’m still skeptical and the oven roux.

I guess the problem is that the only thing I use a dark roux for is gumbo and to make GOOD gumbo is so time consuming and expensive that I’m a bit hesitant to to try short cuts.

I mean for instance, for my broth I use fish carcasses, head and all (filets removed). I throw the Crab in there shell and all, (whole crabs if I can find them fresh). I make a very “traditional” gumbo………

getalife

July 19th, 2011
9:58 pm

Enter your comments here

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
9:58 pm

Typical night on the Bookman blog. Scout and Recon swapping Vietnam stories while the Lefties swap roux recipes. And I’m proud to say I don’t even know what roux is. ;-)

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
9:58 pm

Bruno,

Thanks. Rush is not that important. I just think that his influence is overrated. When someone just blankly calls someone a Rush Limbaugh robot in a sweeping statement with absolutely zero basis for doing so then in my opinion they’re guilty of making the same robot statements about people whom they disagree with as the average Rush listener. Just a robot of a different stripe. And I didn’t go looking for an argument with Fred or start lobbying insults, making sweeping judgements, and namecalling at him.

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
9:59 pm

Midori: don’t you be gettin’ all lovey-dovey with Scout! Remember, you’re my girl!

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:02 pm

When someone just blankly calls someone a Rush Limbaugh robot in a sweeping statement with absolutely zero basis for doing so then in my opinion they’re guilty of making the same robot statements about people whom they disagree with as the average Rush listener.

Thulsa–Just one of those odd little quirks about humans that we notice in others the same qualities we don’t like about ourselves.

out of the blue

July 19th, 2011
10:05 pm

Scout …71Q is an Army mos…The marines weren’t the only folks who served proudly!

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:06 pm

josef–Since you played this song on FNM, it’s been stuck in my head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQ2v1sBkSY

Hope I can return the “favor” sometime soon.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
10:07 pm

Fred,

Us fanatics? Yes. Of course. I’m a right wing fanatic for taking the same position as soothsayer who is an unabashed liberal that we should pull out of Afgh. I was also a right wing fanatic the other day when Jay asked me what my solution was to making cuts. And I told him that I believed we are also going to have to scale down the military and do things such as going from 12 carrier battle groups to 8 or 9 and closing numerous bases in Germany and Europe in general. That’s quite a righty position isn’t it Fred? I’m also the same right wing fanatic who opined on numerous occasions that the birther movement was ridiculous, a waste of time, and that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. I’m sure those are all Rush Limbaugh listener positions right?

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:07 pm

Most Cajuns think their gumbo is the best.

They argue with each other on who makes the best gumbo.

I stay out of those arguments.

@@

July 19th, 2011
10:07 pm

OMG! Bruno and I may have been in the same place (This Is IT) at the same time. A scarey thought.

I’m in agreement with josef on the roux. If you’re not willing to love it, it won’t love you.

Microwave and oven!!??!! Lazy lovers.

Thbppbbbt

@@

July 19th, 2011
10:10 pm

Roux is kinda a nutty base without nuts.

I’m out.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
10:10 pm

1811,

There were the chit punchers but there were many like Walt who’re platoon leaders and mustangs from WWII who became Sr. Officers who saw Vietnam as their days fighting Japenese in the jungles on Guadalcanal, Cape Glouster and Palua Islands.

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:12 pm

So all you folks were just dying to hear what Left Wing Management’s take is on the new bipartisan deal that’s shaping up with this weasel Obama:

No go.

So I say: shoot it down.

If the Republicans won’t have tax increases, then SHUT ER DOWN, I say.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:13 pm

OMG! Bruno and I may have been in the same place (This Is IT) at the same time. A scarey thought.

Let’s see, you were the tall chick with the fat butt, right?? (j/k)

I used to like the rice/lamb dish with vegetables. Never tried the barbeque that Brosephus found lacking. For Barbeque, I used to like Auntie’s on 138. Worst BBQ in town?? Melear’s. Over-rated doesn’t begin to describe them.

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:13 pm

If the Republicans won’t have tax increases, then it’s war: DEFAULT.

Come what may …

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
10:13 pm

Recon:

If they had already paid their dues that was one thing but …………. many had not.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:14 pm

Ooops, Auntie’s on Hwy 85 about 1 mile north of 138.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:14 pm

Bruno (and to a SMALL part Thulsa): Rush is where all the talking points and bumper sticker phrases come from. If he is so SMALL then why did he get a $100+ MILLION dollar signing bonus PLUS a half a billion dollar contract? Blow sunshine up someone else’s butt. That ain’t flying past me. (sorry, let me correct myself, he “only’ got 400 million, still the same order of magnitude if you understand higher mathematics). Oh and my source? It’s form that left wing rag, the WSJ owned by that left wing mouthpiece Rupert Murdoch:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121504302144124805.html

Bruno: It is to your detriment that you don’t know what roux is lol.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
10:14 pm

out of the blue :

I know that ………… like 11B (infantry).

I just kind find the exact “MOS” but I think it was something in the chemcial corps.

You know, she might have inhaled some CBR stuff ………. that could explain a lot.

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
10:15 pm

Excuse me: “can’t find”

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
10:15 pm

Well, there’s no happiness in Braves country tonight. So far, that is. Must be the altitude. The Rockies are rally “showing off”. I won’t tell you the score. It will change soon. Uggla just made a homerun.

It’s still better than talking about “gravy”.

godless heathen

July 19th, 2011
10:16 pm

I was a bit too young for VN but many of my college buds were there on the GI Bill. Damnedest thing I ever saw was when my friend Buddy and I ran up on a guy who was camping in the woods of Washington State. The guy was living out of his van and selling pot for a living. It was all cool at first when two VN vets began to talk. But when my friend revealed that he was a Cobra pilot, the van dude, who had been a grunt, went ballistic about the pilots flying around while the grunts groveled in the jungle. We barely got out of that without a fight.

I wonder what happened to all the dope head VN vets that I knew in the 70s. Seems now that all the VN vets are war heroes.

josef

July 19th, 2011
10:16 pm

Sooth….

Oh, no! And some roux MUST be “scorched”

getalife

I know what you mean about the gumbo wars!

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
10:16 pm

Fred

We may have to hook that up sometime. I’m pretty good around the grill, but I haven’t ventured much into the cajun style cooking.

josef

I have enough tales to spin that I’m thinking of writing a movie. ;)

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:16 pm

My view from the left:

If this goes the way it’s looking like, the weasel has to go.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:17 pm

My absolute FAV restaurant in Riverdale is the City Buffet in the Kroger shopping center on Hwy 85. About 9 bucks for lunch gets you all the sushi you can eat along with 6 serving lines. I could survive 2-3 days on just one meal.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:17 pm

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:07 pm

Most Cajuns think their gumbo is the best.

They argue with each other on who makes the best gumbo.

I stay out of those arguments.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

and in that you are a wise man. The basic argument is in okra based or filet based. I cheat. I use both. So once again I’m in the middle and get dogged by both sides lol. I’m neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat ANYWHERE. But that’s ok. I’m comfortable with myself lol.

Atlanta 1

July 19th, 2011
10:17 pm

It’s July folks and this gave Mr. Bookman a different headline beside the battle over debt ceiling and the B.S. flying from BOTH sides

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:21 pm

If he is so SMALL then why did he get a $100+ MILLION dollar signing bonus PLUS a half a billion dollar contract?

Fred–What does the man’s salary have to do with the price of beans in China?? If less than 1% of the nation tunes in, hard to see how he is any kind of ideological leader. By your logic, Britney Spears may the most influential person of our times. ;-)

Midori

July 19th, 2011
10:21 pm

is that why I smell your socks all the way over here?

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
10:22 pm

You’re a brave man inviting Brosephus over for dinner. I don’t have that kind of money…..

I wouldn’t eat him out of house and home…. promise.. ;)

Bruno

The best ribs I’ve ever had was from a small joint in Winchester, VA. The guy was originally from Chicago, but moved there and set up camp. He has all kinds of awards from competitions around his walls, and has multiple invites to Memphis in May. Scheduling conflicts has kept him from Memphis though. His ribs are so tender, you could spread them like butter on a piece of bread. Since eating there, I haven’t found anything that comes close.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:23 pm

Bruno: My wife is from Southside. The house she grew up in is literally across the field form Forrest Park High. When I first moved to Atlanta I lived off hwy 85 in some apartments that where called then Laurel Park, before that the were called Gold Key. What they are called now I have no clue, but they should have been condemned 20 years ago lol.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
10:24 pm

Fred,

Regarding Rush who cares? So he has a small but passionate audience. So what? Why do you care and why do you accuse me of being a Rush Limbaugh robot when you have no idea what the hell I listen to or read? You think every conservative automatically agrees with every little thing Rush Limbaugh says just cause he says it? As for bumper stickers you don’t think the far left has their share of bumper sticker slogans?

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
10:25 pm

The fourth inning wasn’t too bad. And nowwww for the fifth ,,,and a homer!!!!

getalife

July 19th, 2011
10:25 pm

Take cooked Crawfish Etouffee and fill small Bama pie shells.

Bake for thirty minutes and you get Crawfish pies.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:27 pm

Bruno: Your 10:21 is nonsensical. Brittany got a 100 million buck + signing bonus and a contract for close to half a billion dollars? I don’t think so. If I’m wrong post it.

Remember, I’m not a democrat (nor a republican) I see things as they are, not as I wish they were. To deny the power that Rush has over the right wing is contemptible.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
10:28 pm

godless heathen,

Veterans I know from any war regardless of the medals earned don’t consider themselves as war hero’s, including Vietnam. You may want to read ‘The First Battle” that described Operation Starlite and read up about the Hill Wars of early 1967 along with Operation Union and Union II. Then study the battle of Khe Sanh and come back with an informed comment about Vietnam.

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
10:28 pm

I went into a self-serve sushi bar one time. Man, I was lovin’ it! It wasn’t until the clerk said “that’ll be $476.00″ that I realized I was in a tropical fish store.

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
10:28 pm

Thulsa: “When someone just blankly calls someone a Rush Limbaugh robot in a sweeping statement with absolutely zero basis for doing so then in my opinion they’re guilty of making the same robot statements about people whom they disagree with as the average Rush listener ”

I disagree, Thulsa.

Speaking for myself anyway, when I use the reference “Limbaugh” I’m painting with a broad brush, using Limbaugh as a SYMBOL of a certain type of right wing (pseudo-)thinking and right wing pseudo-/anti-intellectualism and jingoism. I’m referring to what David Brooks calls the “right wing ghetto”.

It’s perfectly possible for a person to speak Limbaugh’s language and employ his ideological strategies even if one’s never spent 5 minutes time listening to him.

josef

July 19th, 2011
10:29 pm

Brosephus

You’ve got to do that, for real…I’ll get back with you later SE…

Bruno,

Can’t pull the song up just now. Which is it?

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2011
10:29 pm

A microwaved roux??? Anybody that would come up with that one must think McRibs are a fairly decent substitute.

SMDHOH

:-)

Hi Honu

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:30 pm

Brosephus–I will say that BBQ/ribs are some of the hardest dishes to get just right. I typically only like 1 out of 10 BBQ joints. We’re pretty spoiled in Columbus to have a place called Country’s that does it right. Up North, it’s hard to find a BBQ joint mixed in with all the cheesesteak places. It’s always been a great pleasure of mine to introduce Southerner’s to REAL cheesesteak and REAL pizza in South Jersey. The two places most people have heard of–Pat’s and Gino’s in Philly–have the raunchiest steaks.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:30 pm

yum getalife, that sounds great. Never made a good etoufee myself. i should try harder though.

Borceohus: There’s not a snow balls chance in hell you could eat me out of house and home. i “start small’ but by the time I’m finished with something I can feed the whole neighborhood. my wife teases me about it…………. we ALWAYS have to give stuff away. Never seem to have a problem doing so though lol.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:30 pm

josef–”Saved By Zero” by the Fixx.

Billybob

July 19th, 2011
10:31 pm

carlosgv, 4:27
No, it’s called class warfare which is a marxist tenet that you are blindly supporting.
Jay, 4:28
That is called class warfare which is a marxist tenet that you are also blindly supporting….and Jay, who has been in charge and taken us to the brink? With the mindset that continued record spending with fix things? I know……barrack hussein obama……..when will you admit you support a socialist for president? By the time the 2012 election rolls around you will have to make that choice out in the open……..and I wonder if you have the spine to do it? I don’t think you, nor millions and millions of others who voted for the socialist, will have the balls to admit this……….which will send hussein, and the far left radical agenda, packing. Enjoy libs……..

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:32 pm

Remember, I’m not a democrat (nor a republican) I see things as they are, not as I wish they were. To deny the power that Rush has over the right wing is contemptible.

Fred–Label yourself as you like and believe as you wish. I’m just telling you like it is.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
10:32 pm

Most Cajuns think their gumbo is the best.

They argue with each other on who makes the best gumbo.

I stay out of those arguments.

Not me. I volunteer to be judge. Of course, knowing Cajuns, I never reach a decision.

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:33 pm

The clique with their code. That has always turned me off. Guess it’s time to split. Later.

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
10:34 pm

Jay! Are you still up! I’m gonna put you in for a raise!

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
10:34 pm

LWM,

So if someone happens to agree philosophically with the majority of what Limbaugh preaches without even knowing it then automatically they are part of the “right wing ghetto”? And so by that logic I guess anyone who believes the majority of the Dem platform is part of the “left wing ghetto” right? And I wouldn’t quote David Brooks as a true conservative. A lot of conservatives just don’t consider him to be so.

md

July 19th, 2011
10:34 pm

Well I’ll be……used to hang out at Gold key…….as for eating…..Pizza Hut was as far as I could get with the kids……….is that still there at 138 and 85? Unless one wants to include the lovely breakfast furnished by the city after that one night…………

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2011
10:35 pm

Some friends asked me if I wanted to use a last minute vacated ticket for a Police concert way back in the way back. I didn’t care one way or the other about the Police, but the Fixx was opening and I jumped on the ticket. They couldn’t figure out why I was trying to pry them away from their bongs so we could get there early.

Worth it though. (unless I just hallucinated that entire memory)

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 19th, 2011
10:36 pm

The Republican/Tea Party have received their marching orders, even boilerplates of legislation to present in state legislatures, from the Koch Brother, Karl Rove, Dick Armey and their minions.

I simply cannot understand the fascination of working class stiffs for politicians who obviously could not care less about their issues, but are fully into protecting the interests and issues of the upper class — the super wealthy The Republican/Tea Party is willing to shut down the government to protect wealthy tax loopholes and special interests.

It’s a dang mystery to this ol’ man. . . .

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
10:37 pm

getalife,

I actually took a recipe for Crawfish Etouffee off the internet and prepared it for the first time. It didn’t turn out half bad. I’ve enjoyed much better but it’s a good start to improving on the recipe.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
10:38 pm

RW

I’m glad you are here. These people are eating strange things, things you would hit with a broom and sweep out the door.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:39 pm

Midori; I had to put up with a full minute of commercials to watch your link. i choose not to.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Most liberal posts are like commercials, or rather, infomercials. You keep watching (reading) because you can’t really believe that anyone with half a brain could fall for their pitch, unless drunk or stoned. They will double your order, but you have to pay the extra bullshi++ing.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:39 pm

Sooth @ 10:28–That was funny.

josef might get a kick out of this Voltaire comment:

“The English have 42 religions, but only 2 sauces.”

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
10:40 pm

Clinton: welcome to the blog!

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
10:41 pm

Jay! Are you still up! I’m gonna put you in for a raise!

Forget Jay. I put in about 72 hours last week.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:41 pm

Of course, knowing Cajuns, I never reach a decision.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Spoken like a true lib. All talk, no walk.

Soothsayer

July 19th, 2011
10:41 pm

Bruno: thanks — its refreshing to know someone “got it.”

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
10:43 pm

LWM,

As for the Limbaugh anti intellectual bit doesn’t he have intellectuals like economist Walter Williams host his show when he is gone. And doesn’t he often quote intellectuals like Thomas Sowell also an economist?

When I’m traveling in between appointments I will sometimes listen to Limbauugh. I would say I get it 20 minutes to any hour a week listening to his program if I’m not listening to music or just paying attention to the road. I just don’t get to hear him much because I think his program is 1-3 and I usually run 1-2 appointments in the morning early afternoon before being back here in the office. I have listened to his show the whole 2 hours before when Walter Williams was hosting because Williams is funny and has some interesting views like the idea that people ought to be able to sell their own body parts like kidneys if they want to. That dude is a hoot.

But to say Limbaugh is anti intellectual is simplistic. I doubt if the guy got that big by just being a blowhard and not having his own sources such as economists, professors, etc who contribute to his program. And I seriously doubt the man built a huge following by proferring his own opinion without citing relevant govt and think tank data, surveys, studies, etc. to help make his points.

josef

July 19th, 2011
10:43 pm

Jay

Wise move. Me, too! ‘Course, if I were you I ‘d keep that microwave thingie to myself.

Bruno
It’s Ben going through mine, too.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
10:44 pm

I knew that was coming, Jed, from someone who wasn’t willing to get the joke.

And you obliged.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
10:45 pm

Josef, as to the roux, usually I’m a purist about such things.

But when no one’s around, try it. You may find it works quite well. It can be our little secret.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:45 pm

My pleasure.

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2011
10:46 pm

Good evening Dusty!

Some of my best friends are Coona$$es and they would be happy that you’re batting dinner out of your house with a broom. Come to think of it maybe that’s why the real ones take such care with the roux and such.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
10:48 pm

Fred

I don’t know about the eating thing now since I’m trying to be more health conscious, but in my heyday, I don’t recall too many all you can eat places that didn’t either kick or threaten to kick out the crew I ran with. I was one of those who would have tried to eat the 72oz steak in an hour at those restaurants that will challenge you to do it.

Uncle Jed

July 19th, 2011
10:50 pm

Jay,
I have to go now, but will you please find and post the details of Obama’s deficit reduction and spending cut plan that some of us waited for all day. You cited it at least once, so I feel certain you have it handy, right?

Good night.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
10:50 pm

Soothsayer

OK. I went back and read your post and now I get it. But with you I just never know if you’re serious or just kidding. I mean hell you’re the guy that is convinced 9/11 was an inside job and have tried to offer your proof that it was. The first time you suggested that I thought you were kidding until about 10 posts later.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
10:52 pm

I don’t know, RW. Things that wave little claws at you are etuffee for me to eat. A nice slice of roast beef never does something like THAT!!

Jay

July 19th, 2011
10:53 pm

Sure Jed.

And right after that, I’ll post the negotiating strategies of the NFL players and owners plus that of the NBA players and owners. Because as everybody knows, you put it all down in writing so others can use it against you, right?

I’ll note, however, that none of the Republicans, not even Cantor, have questioned the reality of Obama’s offer. They just don’t like it.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
10:55 pm

UGGLA just hit a homer….Go BRAVES!!! Way to go!!!

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
10:56 pm

Dusty, I enjoy both but probably beef somewhat more. Of course there’s Lobster Tail and King Crab. Oh yeah!

1811/0311

July 19th, 2011
10:57 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
10:57 pm

Jay,

When you gonna raise hell about all the money NFL NBA players make? Personally I don’t care. God bless those young men if they can make that kinda coin that young in life and have fun playing a stick and ball game doing it. But I figured if it bugs the hell outta you that a CEO makes 10 or 20 million then it probably drives you nuts when A-Rod signed a contract for a quarter of a billion dollars several years ago. I’m sure you’re consistent on this right?

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
10:59 pm

Republicans don’t like Obama’s offer. Did he get up and walk out again?

Fred

July 19th, 2011
10:59 pm

“used to hang out at Gold key”

md, you ho dog. When it was called “Gold Key” it was populated by strippers, stewardesses and swingers. Even I know that lol.

Had a minute to jump back on. I’m gone now though. Later.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:00 pm

Dusty,

This time he went and sulked and pouted in a corner.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:00 pm

Thulsa–Not sure if I ever mentioned it to you, but my BIL in Virginia is in the same business as you, with a twist. He sells Medicare Replacement policies to get his foot in the door, then sniffs around to see if he can convert the prospective clients’ CDs and 401Ks into an annuity plan. According to him, he makes far more selling a few large annuities than 100s of the Medicare Replacements.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
11:00 pm

Dusty

You should come join me at a PETA cookout. When you’re with us, you’re likely to find most animals are quite tasty when properly prepared. Match them with a good beer or wine, and it’s heaven.

Of course, PETA on my case is People Eating Tasty Animals. You don’t have to worry about looking silly throwing paint on someone wearing fur. We hand out samples to let them know how good that animal was before it became clothing. :)

josef

July 19th, 2011
11:01 pm

Jay

:-) I’ve got some recipes that I wouldnt admit to certain short cuts or ingredients!

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:04 pm

Recon,

I hate to have to fight with my dinner to get the upper hand. I admit lobster tails are good. But when I walk past their glass box in the meat department, I feel sorry for the poor things. They are even clawcuffed in their last days!!!.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
11:04 pm

I remember having Lobster for the very first time on a submarines mess decks. We launched rubber boats for a 12 man team at dusk. We went in very well fed.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:05 pm

I was one of those who would have tried to eat the 72oz steak in an hour at those restaurants that will challenge you to do it.

Brosephus–You must be talking about The Big Texan in Amarillo.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:08 pm

Bruno,

Thanks for the info. I’ve actually been thinking about selling indexed annuities since I’ve got x many clients now and all that other business such as P&C I just haven’t bothered going after. I think they are a great product in that you have upside potential and zero downside risk. I was a stockbroker for 7 years earlier in my life so I understand and can explain investments well. Its just that with seniors it seems most of them aren’t really qualified for indexed annuities in that they are in their golden years and in the drawing out stage as opposed to the building stage. Do you know if he is selling immediate annuities? Or if he is selling indexed which are more suitable for people in their 40s and 50s?

RW-(the original)

July 19th, 2011
11:09 pm

Del,

It hasn’t been that long ago that lobster was prisoner food. Amazing how fast these things can change.

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
11:10 pm

Thulsa: “As for the Limbaugh anti intellectual bit doesn’t he have intellectuals like economist Walter Williams host his show when he is gone. And doesn’t he often quote intellectuals like Thomas Sowell also an economist?”

I don’t know a whole lot about Walter Williams, but I’m highly suspicious of Thomas Sowell’s intellectual credentials. There’s a whiff of hackery about him for me.

And I accept your point that Limbaugh himself makes some intellectual claims on his listeners and sometimes employs argument strategies with some intellectual merit. But the point I’m making is different. The fact is that whatever intellectual content there is in Limbaugh’s shtick, to my mind it’s secondary. The femanazi antics and coded appeals to old boy backroom humor, much of it bordering on racist, are more important, as well as the fact that he offers his listeners a defense of a world view that in some ways might seem anachronistic in an America that has changed a great deal and is in the process of changing still more.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:10 pm

Brosephus,

Thanks for the invitation to YOUR Peta party but I”m a bit hesitant. So ANYTHING can taste good?

I mean CATS & DOGS!!!!! Dinner’s ready! We’re having Meow Mexican on a bun!! Bow Wow Barbeque on the grill!! I think I’ll wait until you become a vegetarian..

Fred

July 19th, 2011
11:10 pm

Ok I lied, I read a little more…….

“But to say Limbaugh is anti intellectual is simplistic. I doubt if the guy got that big by just being a blowhard and not having his own sources such as economists, professors, etc who contribute to his program.”

So how did Hitler get so big? I know, the Godwin law. But he had PLENTY of sources. Use a little of your own intellect. Substitute “Mexicans” for Jews. The dogma is the same……..

Truth Meter

July 19th, 2011
11:10 pm

So Old Wise One……tell us who the republican nominee should be opposite of the ObomaNation?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
11:12 pm

Dusty,

I used to fly into and out of Logan Airport in Boston. They used to sell Main Lobsters packed live in dry ice for the trip out. I was a Regional Sales Manager based in Michigan. We were told that when you put them in boiling water you could hear them scream. Never did but they sure were good.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
11:12 pm

Bruno

Yep! There’s one somewhere that has a big assed burger too. I saw that one on Food Network.

Jay

July 19th, 2011
11:13 pm

Of course I’m consistent, Thulsa.

I think the NBA/NFL players deserve whatever they get, because they’re operating in a somewhat free market that is constrained only in the sense that it is tilted toward the owners. Without the union, of course, it would be even more constrained toward the owners, just as it was in the bad old days. But I digress (sort of).

The market for CEO pay, on the other hand, is clearly broken. It’s as if you gave NBA players the power to sit around in a boardroom and decide what each other should be paid, with each of them knowing that the more they paid each other, the more they themselves would collect.

It is a non-functioning market, a phenomenon that even Adam Smith recognized back in the 18th century. The supposed free-market “purists” of today like to pretend that such inefficiencies cannot exist, when in fact they are inherent in the system.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:16 pm

Thulsa–Immediate annuities. He can guarantee an 8% return vs. around 1% on CDs currently. He seals the deal by pointing out that even though the average age of death in this country is around 78, your chances of making it into your 90s are pretty high if you’ve already made it to 65.

md

July 19th, 2011
11:16 pm

Am I the only one that used to go to the “all you can eats” and now resort to sharing a plate with my better half??

Have to admit though, paying the bill is more pleasant.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
11:17 pm

RW (the original), Okay with me make me a prisoner but you would need to throw in a steak about medium. Luv, surf and turfs.

md

July 19th, 2011
11:17 pm

Dusty…….the bravos may want to call it an early night and try again tomorrow……they are getting pummeled……….

Fred

July 19th, 2011
11:18 pm

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
11:20 pm

Dusty

I haven’t done dog, cat, rat, or possum. Most other Disney animals are good if done right. Deer, squirrel, rabbit, turtle, and even snake have come across my plate at one time or another. If you didn’t know what it was, some wouldn’t raise any suspicions at all.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:20 pm

LWM,

I see your point now and I would have to agree somewhat. I forgot about the feminazis? Does he still say that? And I agree that there is some coded, subtle appeal bordering on racism. But then you can say the exact same thing about many a liberal commentators, activists and politicians. And some of them make outright racial appeals. When it comes to playing racial politics the Dems are without a doubt the masters at it. I

The last time I listened to Boortz was a week or so ago or maybe and he was talking about those “urban gentleman” that stole beer from a Walmart and a soccer mom jumped on the hood of their car to stop them. Was that racially tinged? Um. Yep. Sure was and it wasn’t even subtle. But it was Boortz’s way of saying very plainly that he’s fed up with crime and in particular perhaps the level of black crime in our society. And I don’t think he cares if people call him a racist for stating what is obvious- that crime is a big problem amongst young black males.

And I would say that I agree somewhat but not completely with your statement about some of his audience holding onto an anachronistic view of America.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:20 pm

Whoeee Recon,

The lobsters screamed when you put them in boiling water!!! That does it! RED LOBSTER, CLOSE YOUR DOORS!!

By the way, Recon, anybody who has eaten lobster on the deck of a submarine is surely the elite!! So much for the RITZ! You had yours on the SUB!!

md

July 19th, 2011
11:21 pm

“your chances of making it into your 90s are pretty high if you’ve already made it to 65.”

Don’t folks that die at 66,67,68 etc also make it to 65??

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:22 pm

LWM (and Fred)–From my understanding, Rush clearly identifies himself as an entertainer. Any reason you can’t accept him as such??

Brosephus–I blew through the Big Texan circa 1979. At that time, I think the steak weighed more than me. I asked the waitress if many people took up the challenge, and she claimed that about 100 people per night tried it, with about 50 completing the meal.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:24 pm

Don’t folks that die at 66,67,68 etc also make it to 65??

Sure, md, but the 78 figure also includes a lot of folks that died in their 20s, 30s, 40s, etc.

Brosephus

July 19th, 2011
11:24 pm

Time to cash out for the night. Catch y’all later!!!!!

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:25 pm

md

There is no joy in Bravestown tonight. I hate to watch. I think they could have relieved Beachy of some of his agony but they didn’t. Well, I hope this one ends soon. I hate to see people suffer!!!

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:26 pm

Bruno,

Okay. I wasn’t going to say anything but I thought he would be doing some really non-compliant selling if he was selling the indexed, loaded with 10 year surrender charge annuities to seniors. The immediate annuities are fantastic though for seniors and I would feel better about selling them because they are low commission products relative to the other type of annuities. You really can’t beat them and I think I’ve even heard Clark Howard say good things about the immediate annuities. You may have just lit a bulb in my head. If you don’t mind ask him which companies he prefers. I’m appointed with something like 47 companies and pretty much every one of the big names that you can think of but I would be curious to see which ones he likes the best.

md

July 19th, 2011
11:26 pm

Understand Bruno, but the odds have to be stacked against at that point vs the other way around……..

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:28 pm

Bruno,

Also I have read that official state also and dadgum if I can’t remember the exact number but as you said the magic number is 65 and if you live to 65 you then have an 80% chance of living the next 20 years to attain 85. I’m pretty sure that is the benchmark 85 that is.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:28 pm

Thulsa

Late I know, but if you check in or review:

“If you think that someone sponsoring legislation to support a pro life position is “nutty” then you’re simply coming from a far left position and that is why it would seem nutty from your perspective.”

Let me rephrase: as I stated earlier, I did not see granting ‘preborn’ 14th amendment protections as nutty because some consider it prolife. I consider it nutty for the Pandora’s Box of problems it opens. First off, one would have to amend the Constitution, as the 14th says ‘born.’ But that’s not the big thing. If ‘preborns’ are citizens, then

Pregnant women get counted twice on the census. Well, they get counted once. The preborn get counted, too.

If preborns are citizens, then golly, go to the cinema, she gets charged for two tickets.

Mom has one drink while pregnant, she gets charged with serving liquor to a minor.

Pregnant women get to claim an extra exemption on tax returns.

See how it goes?

Voting ‘yes’ on something like that is….. nutty!

Midori, Kamchak et al

I’ve done the roux the Alton Brown oven way. If you’re after a dark roux, it turns out well.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
11:29 pm

Dusty,

I don’t know about elite as we were deep inside the sub in the mess deck eating Lobster. Members of the ships company were playing cards next to us and one looked over and said “you Marines are crazy”. I said maybe but we have a Navy Corpsman coming with us who must be just as crazy as we are.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:29 pm

Brosephus,

I’m suspicious!! VERY suspicious!! I’m checking the menus very closly from now on.

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:31 pm

Bruno,

Those fifty in Texas who survived the big steak, were they the Heimlich survivors?

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
11:31 pm

Bruno: “LWM (and Fred)–From my understanding, Rush clearly identifies himself as an entertainer. Any reason you can’t accept him as such??”

Does he now? I don’t think I’ve ever heard such a disclaimer. My understanding of his shtick is that it’s delivered with a wink, suggesting that humor, crudeness, and irreverence are being employed for the sake of entertaining radio, but that the ultimate issues at stake are deadly serious.

By the way when I first started listening to him long ago I remember thinking rather odd that there’s this slob guy sitting out (formerly) in the mid-section of the country, with no actual responsibility for anything, and wanting to sit around and talk politics all day. It struck me as odd. I mean, if the guy’s persona were truly authentic, wouldn’t he really be more interested in spending 50-70% of his time talking NFL or MLB gossip, or talking about cars? Why the obsession on politics?

So it’s a charade, that’s for sure. But it’s one that’s being put out there as a very systematic attempt to further a specific ideological agenda.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:32 pm

Thulsa

Jay’s post? That gets to another of Bachmann’s votes – against letting shareholders have a say in CEO pay.

May not rise to the level of nuttiness, but that’s a pretty serious indicator of whose interests she’s most interested in protecting. And it isn’t the shareholders’ interests.

md

July 19th, 2011
11:33 pm

“I consider it nutty for the Pandora’s Box of problems it opens.”

Too late….just ask Scott Peterson…………sounds as if the precedent has been established……time will tell how the judicial system uses it.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:37 pm

Hey Paul,

I see and understand your point now. I just don’t think its quite as nutty as you think. We’ll just politely agree to disagree. But I’m sure there is something else that she believes that I probably would indeed find nutty. I just haven’t looked. And frankly I just don’t see her getting the nomination. To me Perry takes it or possibly Romney. My only complaint with Bachman is that I just can’t stand her nasaly voice. It drives me nuts but of course that is indeed a foolish reason to dislike a candidate.

I was out for dinner with my best friend a few years ago and his wife was drinking wine 7 months pregnant. The doctor said it was okay to drink 1 glass so her policy was to drink 1 or 2 sips and that was it. But the doc approved of it in a very small, moderate basis of course.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 19th, 2011
11:37 pm

Wow, it’s 11:30 passed my bed time (no jokes please). Y’all have a great evening. Taps

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:37 pm

If you don’t mind ask him which companies he prefers. I’m appointed with something like 47 companies and pretty much every one of the big names that you can think of but I would be curious to see which ones he likes the best.

Can’t tell you that much, but he does recruit and train agents nationwide to sell a variety of insurance products. Typically he’ll come into town, make a big sale and let the recruit keep the commission. Then he gets a small override on anything they do past that.

For an insurance salesman, he’s a pretty honest guy. He builds his business by saving people money via research and hard work.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:38 pm

md

Peterson’s wife was 8 months pregnant. Clearly viable.

I don’t believe the House Resolution specified anything to do with viability. Just ‘proborn.’ So get the first positive test results and yup, you’ve got that tax exemption.

Oh, and maybe insurance companies can raise their premium by a couple hundred a month because of an extra dependent?

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:38 pm

Paul,

On the CEO pay I would have to agree that I disagree with her stance on the subject. Sometimes I believe CEO pay has gotten incredibly excessive- especially when CEOs are doing poor jobs and still rewarded gigantic sums for poor performance.

josef

July 19th, 2011
11:39 pm

Did somebody say Boortz? Rude, crude, lewd, and socially unacceptable. All the wit and charm of a pit viper and the grace and charm of a bull elephant.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:39 pm

Dusty, all I can say is that there were some pretty big boys walking through that front door. I did read a crude, but funny saying on one of the restroom walls:

Here I sit, my buns a flexin’
Just passed on another Texan.

Nocando

July 19th, 2011
11:41 pm

“They’re unqualified, uninformed and a bit on the loony side, and it’s appropriate to state it as such since they apparently aspire to national leadership.”

It’s unfortunate that you never recognized those identical traits in Obama. We understand. Liberals have a special hatred for female and black conservatives.

md

July 19th, 2011
11:42 pm

“I was out for dinner with my best friend a few years ago and his wife was drinking wine 7 months pregnant. The doctor said it was okay to drink 1 glass so her policy was to drink 1 or 2 sips and that was it. But the doc approved of it in a very small, moderate basis of course.”

But why even take the chance?

My understanding is that alcoholism can be genetic but the jury is still out…….why go there in the first place……I’m sure there is probably a percentage of acceptable tar and nicotine too…..but we usually find out at a later date that the science wasn’t exactly up to snuff (pun intended).

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:43 pm

Thulsa

Interesting about your friend. Good to know she’s safe from arrest, eh? ;-)

No one’s going to find a candidate (well, almost no one) with whom they agree on everything. Trick is to find minimal areas of disagreement and rely on a trust/character factor, I believe.

Perry? When we have more time (trying to get my sleep cycle honed, I could zonk out any minute) I’ll give you my take. Not nutty. Conniving. Deceitful. Manipulative. Lacks honor. Lies. Please, don’t use him in a sentence comparing him favorably with Romney, ‘k?

The voice? I’ve spent time in the midwest. Doesn’t bother me. That’s another thing I found interesting with the Palin bashing. Born and bred southerners making fun of how she sounds……

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:43 pm

Bruno,

Does he have a website. If you prefer not to post it on here I understand. Yeah he is definitely more of a trainer and recruiter and if you get enough agents under you then you probably have bookoo overrides coming in. When you say Medicare replacement I assume you are talking about Medicare Advantage which is mainly what I sell. In any event he’s honest “for an insurance salesman?”. I’ve found most of them to be honest. The problem is the short term people who don’t last that tend to be dishonest or just plain incompetent and the few times I’ve seen abuse its been mostly incompetence. But in my area of senior insurance I’ve known of exactly one crooked agent. Most of the rest I’ve found to be very honest people. Ya gotta be or these seniors will see right through you.

josef

July 19th, 2011
11:44 pm

Paul

EOI overtime?

md

July 19th, 2011
11:45 pm

“Peterson’s wife was 8 months pregnant. Clearly viable.”

With today’s technology, were is the current line of viability? And as technology improves, does the line/definition move with it??

Dusty

July 19th, 2011
11:46 pm

hmmm Bruno,

I don’t think Paul is going to like that one. He’s a good Texan, you know.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:46 pm

josef, josef, josef

After all the posts this evening about one group shouldn’t do insulting schtick on another, I never thought I’d hear you so callously insult pit vipers and bull elephants, comparing them to Boortz like that -

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:46 pm

Paul,

Sadly their son has Autism but its not real severe. Obviously I very much doubt it had anything to do with 1 or 2 sips of wine once a week of course. I would be very curious as to know what the heck causes it. Seems to be epidemic almost and I think our society would benefit greatly if we could just get to the root cause of it.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:47 pm

So it’s a charade, that’s for sure. But it’s one that’s being put out there as a very systematic attempt to further a specific ideological agenda.

I guess perception is in the eye of the beholder. I see him as a savvy businessman who filled a niche. As for me, I form my own ideas, and don’t look to pundits of either stripe to do my thinking for me.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:48 pm

josef

“EOI overtime?”

Well, I have been away and posting entirely too much on topic or on just nice discussions since I’ve returned. I sensed an imbalance in the Force -

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:49 pm

md,

The doctor actually told her it would be beneficial- red wine that is. Also my best friend in ATL is diabetic. You would never know it he’s 50 and looks like a ripped Wesley Snipes. But he is on a blood diet where he eats certain foods that are deemed super beneficial and beneficial. Wine is dubbed as a beneficial product and is encouraged but only obviously in moderation as in 1 drink in his diet.

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:50 pm

md

Gets to another line of thought. My understanding is, Roe v Wade was decided partially on the Court’s understanding of viability as determined by their understanding of then-current technology for survival of preemies. I think one can make a case for review and a modified ruling based upon advances in such technology and survival rates at much earlier points.

md

July 19th, 2011
11:50 pm

Paul…did you get a chance to meet up with usuk? I was over there not too long ago but it was rush rush….

josef

July 19th, 2011
11:51 pm

Paul

” another thing I found interesting with the Palin bashing. Born and bred southerners making fun of how she sounds…”

Me, too!

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:54 pm

Thulsa

Guy I worked with has three sons, two with autism. Believe me, he’s done a lot of research on evolving thought, has been involved nationally. He chalks it up to an environmental/genetic modification-damage thing.

Says one in 70 males are now affected. I’ve a grandson who’s undergoing evaluation to see if it’s present. Yeah, I’d like to know, too.

Great movie to see – Temple Grandin. Even worth buying the DVD if you don’t have Netflix.

Bruno

July 19th, 2011
11:55 pm

TD–No website. I think he currently has about 300 agents nationwide from whom he receives a small override. He hopes to retire in a few years through his “stable”. If you are interested, I might be able to put you in touch with him. Ask Jay to forward your email address.

Per your question about autism, a lot of people (including myself) think that all the artificial chemicals put into food might have something to do with the dramatic increase in recent years.

Thulsa Doom

July 19th, 2011
11:55 pm

Jay @ 11:13,

Not sure I agree with your conclusion about market failure. As someone with an econ degree I do agree that there most certainly are instances of market failure. To not acknowledge such is folly. Just not sure this is one of them.

But in regards to CEO pay I also believe it has gotten excessive but what is your solution. The Japanese used to have a policy that the CEO could not make more than 200 or 400 times the salary of the company’s lowest paid employee which I think is a good benchmark- I can’t remember if it was 200 or 400x. Here in the U.S. Seems to me that there is no voluntary effort either by the Dems or by business or by anyone to suggest a benchmark limit- voluntary of course, on CEO compensation. Any suggestions?

Paul

July 19th, 2011
11:56 pm

md

Yes, I did. I was traveling with my wife, sister and brother-in-law. Had a wonderful afternoon. She’s fun, witty, intelligent and very interesting. And no, we didn’t spend all our time talking about blogland!

Left wing management

July 19th, 2011
11:57 pm

Bruno: So it’s a charade, that’s for sure. But it’s one that’s being put out there as a very systematic attempt to further a specific ideological agenda.

I guess perception is in the eye of the beholder. I see him as a savvy businessman who filled a niche

Do I have to break out the tired old example of Al Capone, who after all was nothing if not a savvy businessman.

He may have done his part in helping turn the innards of our politics into the pestilent morbid black liquid slime that we see today, but he sure is a model for success. Woo hoo ..

md

July 19th, 2011
11:57 pm

“Report: Deadly NZ quake uncovers Israeli spy ring”

What a bummer……poor spy interrupted by his unexpected death :)

Alabama Communist

July 19th, 2011
11:59 pm

This is like watching a one legged race with 10 Candiates battling for one brain among them….

Thulsa Doom

July 20th, 2011
12:00 am

Bruno,

Will do. And if the BIL adds another good producer to the stable then I’m cool with him getting an override off me. As for the chemicals my doctor believes the same thing- aspartame I think he believes is a culprits. Matter of fact he believes the diet soda drinks are really bad for you. Maybe other factors too such as the steroids, growth hormones, etc going into meat products, nitrates, sulfates. Got a chemist friend and she will not allow her kids to drink soda period- diet or sugared water. I don’t know but when docs and chemists with masters degrees are telling me the crap that is in there I’ve become much more conscious. I cut out carbonated beverages almost completely and processed meats are out of my diet. Do love a good subway every long once in awhile though as bad as that processed meat is for me.

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:01 am

Paul and TD–A lot of my reverence for Mother Nature/God/WhatHaveYa came through studying gobs and gobs of chemistry. An apple, for example, contains than 10,000 organic compounds, all in a delicate balance which nicely interacts with our gut. There’s no man-made factory in the world which can begin to replicate that. Why we think we can improve upon the Creation is beyond me, i.e. if one has any in-depth appreciation for the chemical complexity of our world.

md

July 20th, 2011
12:02 am

“Yes, I did. I was traveling with my wife, sister and brother-in-law. Had a wonderful afternoon. She’s fun, witty, intelligent and very interesting. And no, we didn’t spend all our time talking about blogland!”

Good for you…….she asked me to join, but we were there just after you I believe……it’s always neat meeting folks like that……did it with pen pals way back when…….

Thulsa Doom

July 20th, 2011
12:03 am

Josef,

Palin bashing cause of how she sounds? As I said I don’t know much about Bachman but that is mainly because I can’t listen to her because that nasaly voice just drives me up the wall. Its like a whiner voice. I know its really, really petty of me but I just can’t help it. Can’t stand listening to her speak. But like I said I think Perry wins it anyway.

Dusty

July 20th, 2011
12:03 am

Paul,

I know you do not like Perry. You like Romney but he reminds me of Obama. Well educated, intelligent, pleasant, nice looking and sorta wimpy.

IN these times, I think we need someone who is strong, decisive and effective. I don’t like liars but we surely have elected some before. Need I mention “I never had sex with that woman!” I know. Old history.

But Perry’s ability to cope with the guff ‘n’ stuff of today’s politics scores points for him. We don’t need any more super smoothies in Washington. I’m afraid that Romney’s state health insurance is not reassuring either. We shall see how it goes. (I’m pretty sure for whom you will vote, Paul!!)

josef

July 20th, 2011
12:05 am

Paul
josef, josef, josef

“After all the posts this evening about one group shouldn’t do insulting schtick on another, I never thought I’d hear you so callously insult pit vipers and bull elephants, comparing them to Boortz like that…”

I stand chastised.

md

July 20th, 2011
12:05 am

“all in a delicate balance which nicely interacts with our gut.”

might also explain why our forefathers could eat all the bacon, eggs, etc etc every day and live long lives……..it was food straight off the farm………..

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:06 am

Do I have to break out the tired old example of Al Capone, who after all was nothing if not a savvy businessman.

You can try, but it would only reveal the depths of your bitterness toward anyone who doesn’t share your particular political view. Perhaps you never noticed the manipulation of the masses coming from the left side of the political aisle. Apparently you’re not much of a manager, LWM, if you fail to see the plank in your own party’s eye.

Thulsa Doom

July 20th, 2011
12:06 am

Bruno,

I’ve read the native corn or maize that the natives ate here was much more fibrous, not nearly as sweet. The corn we eat today is a hybrid that is nothing like the original maize that natives ate from what I’ve been told. Why is it bioengineered and hybridized differently? To make it more sugary to sell more of it and the products it goes into.

Interesting tidbit about the apple.

Thulsa Doom

July 20th, 2011
12:07 am

Taps. Been interesting. Ya’ll have a good evening.

md

July 20th, 2011
12:09 am

“I’m afraid that Romney’s state health insurance is not reassuring either. ”

Not exactly a fair representation……..he was governor of a highly blue state (must have done something right) that would probably have passed it with or without him…………

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:13 am

Bruno

Have a family friend who worked with Dr. Wernher Von Braun. Said on his desk he had a copy of Romans 8:10 – “For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.”

Some see science and religion as in conflict. Others view both as pathways to understanding that which some consider unknowable.

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:16 am

Dusty

I’m still reserving judgment on Romney. I believe, for him anyway, that redemption is possible.

Here in Texas, many think he comes across as a political smooth talker. And I’m talking about some very conservative Republicans.

You’re pretty sure who I’ll vote for? Interesting, ’cause I’m not sure at all. But don’t tell me, ‘k? I don’t want to spoil the surprise!

Dusty

July 20th, 2011
12:16 am

md,

Are you saying that Romney was a weak governor or just had his hands tied?

Sux Limbow

July 20th, 2011
12:17 am

Bachmann x-posed as pill-popping loon. This should be good. Of course, when the GOP “heroes” are Reagan (amiable dunce) and Eisenhower (impotent fraud who rode the coattails of others to victory), you can’t expect much.

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:17 am

josef

’s okay. You didn’t know. But pit vipers and bull elephants really do have sensitive feelings when it comes to comparisons like that.

josef

July 20th, 2011
12:17 am

The rockets go up
The rockets come down.
Who do they land on?
That’s not my problem,
Says Wernher von Braun.

md

July 20th, 2011
12:18 am

Had his hands tied………a bit like Arnold out in CA……..

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:19 am

DUSTY

Make that paragraph “Here in Texas, many think PERRY comes across as a political smooth talker. And I’m talking about some very conservative Republicans.”

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:20 am

Sux

the trolling gate closed a half hour ago -

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:20 am

josef

I’ve wondered about that. Never did ask my friend about that seeming contradiction.

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:22 am

Paul–Through my association with Harvey Mudd College, I met many true geniuses in my day. To a person, they all realized how limited our human knowledge is and were very humble people as a result.

At the same time, I met many people whom I describe as “second-tier” intellectuals, people who became so fascinated and enamored with their own thoughts that they began confusing their own thoughts with reality. Hard to get them to see that the ocean, and a picture of the ocean, are two different entities.

md

July 20th, 2011
12:22 am

Dusty,

This was the MA vote on their hc bill:

“The House approved the bill on a 154-2 vote. The Senate endorsed it 37-0.”

Don’t know if Romney even considered vetoing, but would have been fruitless if he had.

Dusty

July 20th, 2011
12:28 am

Well, Josef’s chastised. The BRAVES are pulverized. I”m about anesthetized!! So now I decides….. G’nite!!

md

July 20th, 2011
12:28 am

“To a person, they all realized how limited our human knowledge is and were very humble people as a result.”

And folks get ticked when I tell them that science is what we think we know as of today………..

Paul

July 20th, 2011
12:30 am

Dusty

Sounds good.

G’night, all -

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:30 am

P.S. to Paul. I’m a little jealous of your meeting with USinUK. We blogged together for a few years on another site before coming to Jay’s Place. During that time I developed some serious hots for her. Probably better for us not to meet since she’s married…….

What are ordinary times?

July 20th, 2011
12:31 am

With the circus underway in Washington and the popularity of Bachmann — a candidate who would be a fringe player in ordinary times — the Grand Old Party of Dwight Eisenhower and even Ronald Reagan has slipped its moorings.
Most would have called President Obama a fringe player when he first announced. Community organizer (whatever that is) to Senator to President in a very short time. Anything can happen. He just went out and raised and spent 100% more than anyone every had (and 50-60% more than his opponent), so anything is possible (if the money is flowing).
BTW, let me know when we return to “ordinary times.” When were those times (the 80s, when the Soviet Union existed, the 90s, when our government did nothing about the rise of Al Qaeda and Muslim terrorists, even after repeated bombings, or the 2000s, when we’ve fought in two wars)? In ordinary times, our President would still be organizing (whatever that is) in Chicago?

md

July 20th, 2011
12:32 am

Gotta go……….

bsb7

July 20th, 2011
12:33 am

Drill Here-Fair Tax- Legalize Drugs- The Cash Pours In Ponder it y’all!!!!

Dusty

July 20th, 2011
12:33 am

Paul, I think you had it right the first time.G’nite.

——-

md Romney is OK. Nothing against him. Just don’t feel much of anything FOR him. G’nite..

josef

July 20th, 2011
12:33 am

Busy a.m. on the horizon…g’night.

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:39 am

And folks get ticked when I tell them that science is what we think we know as of today………..

md–It’s a rare individual who understands the fundamental nature of Science. Science is all about creating models. That’s it. The more accurately the model predicts experimental evidence, the better. But at no point does the model = reality. In order to drive this point home, at HMC, we had to begin the solution to every Chemistry and Physics problem by declaring our assumptions, e.g. when using the Ideal Gas Law, we were required to state “Let us assume that the gas in question behaves as an Ideal Gas, so that PV = nRT applies.” Leave that step out and you got no credit for the solution.

Unfortunately, second-tier intellectuals never grasp the significance of that point.

Stuart

July 20th, 2011
12:39 am

I moved to Texas last year. What would you like to know about Rick Perry? In the latest polls, if the Presidential election were held today, he would lose in his own state. A RED state. His numbers among independents are atrocious. The dwindling few left in the Republican Party here who still have an ounce of pride have become very jaded on him. And the Dems pray to God he’ll run, just so the rest of the country can see what it looks like when a man tries to form thoughts with his mouth closed. Thanks to his 20/200 vision, Texas will soon know what California is like, regarding how to pay for things when you have no money. This is the genius who went around the country, talking about seceding from the Union, and how “we didn’t need Obama’s money.” That is, until someone reminded him we did. Billions of it, which he had to go back and beg for, before claiming that again, we didn’t have to have it. He’s been steadily courting the most wide of forehead on the religious right. His lineup for his big prayer/ fast this August is like a “who’s who” of the preacher character brigade. If the sermons come from under a tin-foil hat, you can bet they’ll be here. He makes George W. look like William F. Buckley, Jr.. And as hard as it is to believe, Michele Bachman could wipe the floor with him in a debate. In short, that “proud to be stupid” act so many candidates on the right have to play these days to get the teabagger vote….is not an act. It’s gonna be fun hearing him explain why he was Al Gore’s campaign chairman in Texas when Gore ran for President. No damn wonder he lost. Also, he’s a champion of Fred Flintstone social policies. Sending us back to the 50’s isn’t good enough for him. The 1850’s, perhaps. Maybe that explains his fondness for beards.

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:43 am

Last man standing, as usual. Time for some Genesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYaJXAKrNqM

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:46 am

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:48 am

Stu–If it’s any consolation, I’m as conservative as they come and I wouldn’t vote for Perry in a million years. Or anyone else who wears their faith like a badge.

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
12:53 am

I will follow you, will you follow me??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-2Qq0PHB4A

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
1:01 am

Just saw some great news:

“WASHINGTON (AP) — Defying a veto threat, the Republican-controlled House voted Tuesday night to slice federal spending by $6 trillion and require a constitutional balanced budget amendment to be sent to the states in exchange for averting a threatened Aug. 2 government default.”

http://news.yahoo.com/huge-deficit-cutting-bill-sails-gop-house-020151481.html

Jay just doesn’t think it’s possible to get the spending under control. I do.

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
1:03 am

Back to the important stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Vxf9bN6eo

I held the book so tightly in my hands,
I saw your picture, heard you call my name
There was something strange, I could not look away
I wanted to be there, I wanted to go

You gave me no warning
You gave no reason
But I was with you
Right by your side
Just give me the strength, and I will help you
And they can try their hardest, cos they don’t frighten me

It is written in the book

It is hotter than I’ve known before, but I feel so cold, and I don’t
know why
But if the fire within your heart can beat the storm
Then I really believe, you could make it right

Ooh the time has come now
We must show our feelings
But I’m looking right through you
And your heart is empty

Whatever happened to you it’s too late to change now
There’s nowhere you can run to, no place to hide
Ah you let me down!

…but wait a minute, I don’t understand
It’s getting stronger, so grab my hand
Don’t wanna leave you, don’t wanna go
But I’m losing all control
Can’t you see me? I’m slipping away
I can only stay if you’ve the will to keep me here

It is written in the book

Oh so many times since then I’ve read those words
Just waiting to see you, can you see me?

Bruno

July 20th, 2011
1:09 am

jan

July 20th, 2011
5:39 am

Bachman will do well with the crazy, mentally disturbed crown who pretty much believe all the right wing propganda fed to them by FOX News

Joel Edge

July 20th, 2011
5:59 am

“Obama is seen as the defender of middle-class American families”
Thanks, Jay, I needed a laugh.

Tundra Dude

July 20th, 2011
6:05 am

jan 5:39 am wrote:

Bachman will do well with the crazy, mentally disturbed crowd who pretty much believe all the right wing propaganda fed to them by FOX News

Careful, now……she claims she was “called” by Uno Hu.

Tundra Dude

July 20th, 2011
6:16 am

Joel Edge 5:59 am

“Obama is seen as the defender of middle-class American families”
Thanks, Jay, I needed a laugh.

That’s some great PR work, “defender of the middle class.”
Even that ultra-liberal professor (distinguished research prof), Michael Hudson, of UMKC, would disagree.

Jay

July 20th, 2011
6:36 am

Tundra, look at those poll numbers and tell me YOUR interpretation. I’d say “Obama is seen as the defender of the middle class” as a very accurate representation of what the data tell us.

But let’s hear YOUR interpretation….

Larry

July 20th, 2011
6:56 am

why is the left so afraid of female candidates?

Larry

July 20th, 2011
6:58 am

Jay,

The 2nd poll just about falls in line with whether you are paying for government or sucking off of it.

Larry

July 20th, 2011
6:59 am

Have a nice daty, got to go to work so I can keep our government going

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
7:18 am

Larry

Why is the right afraid of community organizers?

Why is the right afraid of intellectuals?

Why is the right afraid of gays?

Why is the right afraid of people of color?

Why is the right afraid of women?

Why is the right afraid on non-Christianists?

Why is the right afraid of poor people?

Why is the right afraid of seniors?

Why is the right afraid of young Americans?

Why is the right afraid of Europe?

Why is the right afraid of apparently everything?

Oh and GOOD MORNING!

Bud Wiser

July 20th, 2011
7:20 am

Well, to start the day, let us look at the current success stories of the Obama administration in the AJC headlines:

1. Housing numbers disappoint – no surprise there

2. I-75/I-575 toll road project gets green light – SPLOST at work…if you cannot fix it, then tax it

3. Transportation wish list sliced to $12.2 billion…Transportation wish list: $29B – gimme gimme gimme mo o that tax money….can’t you fools see why it is a moral imperative to raise taxes?

4. Ga. declares war on obesity – Sonny Perdue should have gone there first

5. Saxby Chambliss and restored Gang of Six join debt-ceiling debate – there is more intellect gathered together in a preschool class…

6. Beef up transit share on sales tax list, advocacy group says – ““This is not a transit tax, this is a transportation tax,” he (Norcross Mayor Bucky Johnson),said… – reference point number two…

7. >strong>Heat index today expected to top 100 – what, no stories on global warming and the planet is melting? There must be more important agenda items assigned to the media stooges today, like attacking another obscure, irrelevant Republican, or another “all praise him that rules(Obama)”.

Another day at the AJC, another tick on the clock of winding down failure for both the rag and the stupid fool it has laid everything on the line for to protect.

GT

July 20th, 2011
7:39 am

I have often thought the same process of investors picking Enron stock is seen in the voters of the Republican Party. They ignore the real details for their own selfish gains and fears. There is obviously a “flake factor” with particularly Bachman but these rich cats are so afraid some of their money might go to help this country they would risk the nation for a flake or a growing number of flakes. Like the stock buyer they are fine as long as the stock raises, they don’t really care how it is done as long as they are cashing checks. But when they buy and the stock crashes they want to sue and blame everybody in sight for their poor judgement. Suddenly their eye for detail and judgement of others is crystle clear. They are the victims not the supporters of their own poor decisions. They put Bush in, by minority. He crashed in about every way a president can fail. He ,by the way, was a great friend of Enron and Wall Street, even if the pictures have been detroyed. And from these ashes the Republican have formed a platform of fault and think the redeemer will be this truly crazy lady from the midwest. If this lady somehow was elected and the pressure of the reality of the White House falls on her head like it did Bush, she will have a melt down in front of this nation’s eyes. If you are crazy going in it’s not going to get any better once you are there. For her, or the Republican Party or the nation.

TaxPayer

July 20th, 2011
7:47 am

News Flash: Bud blames eveything from aids to zoo escapes on Obama. What a shocker.

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
7:48 am

from wayyy upthread, for J-nix when he’s around…

What tribe? It appears to me you’re coming from a place I know not of on this one…methinks there’s a little bit of a white sheet of your own peeking out…would it be Rednecks are Jewish?

I was thinking of the tribal loyalty amongst Southerners I’ve known and (sometimes) loved. Certainly not the 12 Tribes, or the indigenous folks’ tribes.

I mean, I GET that a parody troll like RC may sound grating to a linguist and historian who also happens to be loyal to his Southern heritage. I probably don’t pick up quite so much on that linguistic inaccuracy; what I find funny and occasionally better-targeted than much professional punditry, is the dead-on takedown of the conservatives’ own arguments, oft-expressed here and elsewhere.

Clinton "Skink" Tyree

July 20th, 2011
8:01 am

Well, the Almighty has gotten himself into quite a mess: He, according to some folks, hs “called” Michelle Bachmann into the frey, is “calling” Rick Perry and is “on Sarah Palin’s side” according to Bristol, the sage of the clan.

It’s been my experience that some folks mistake the quest for power and ambition for the voice of the Almighty.

SOUTHERN ATL

July 20th, 2011
8:04 am

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:04 am

Skink – all’s I can say is that, if God is telling Bachmann to run, it can only mean one thing:

God loves Obama.

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:06 am

UsinUK

8:04 You made me just do the wave

freidenker

July 20th, 2011
8:13 am

if the 89+% of you, as you claim, would vote for someone who actually thinks about problems and needed solutions instead of waiting for some guidance from above, which never comes, maybe we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in.

TaxPayer

July 20th, 2011
8:14 am

Bachmann voted against the House’s Norquist Bill. She claimed it did not lean far enough to the right. Her requirement is that it must lean far enough to the right to actually rest against her left shoulder.

Democrats For Romney

July 20th, 2011
8:15 am

@@

July 20th, 2011
8:16 am

While unemployment among the general population is about 9.1 percent, it’s at 16.2 percent African Americans, and a bit higher still for African American males.

Obama’s policies haven’t done much for African Americans…maybe they’re in a class of their own.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:18 am

“would vote for someone who actually thinks about problems and needed solutions”

you can only vote for the folks that run

@@

July 20th, 2011
8:19 am

Oops! That last sentence should’ve ended with a question mark.

GT

July 20th, 2011
8:19 am

The “Almighty” seems to only talk to the rich and powerful in this book.

TaxPayer

July 20th, 2011
8:20 am

Puerto Rico’s unemployment rate is 16%. Must be due to all the blacks, huh @@.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:23 am

@@ – OHNOES!!! 16%??

that means it’s dropped over the last 2 years

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat24.pdf

bookman parrot

July 20th, 2011
8:24 am

good news!!! obama can continue his destruction of America. vote obama in 2012 if you want fiscal havoc and unconstitutional mandates.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:28 am

yep, parrot … he’s coming after Yeeewwwww next

GT

July 20th, 2011
8:29 am

If the blacks had an employment rate better than the national average the beef would be the president is concentrating on his own and ignoring the country. We are all in this bathtub together, and Obama gets that if the rest of us don’t.

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
8:30 am

First he’s grabbin’ Parrot’s gunz…

stands for decibels

July 20th, 2011
8:31 am

We are all in this bathtub together

…but the Norquislings keep trying to drown us.

Left wing management

July 20th, 2011
8:31 am

Ooh, in that second poll I spy me a crack in that much-milked GOP gimmick of being the party that favors “small businesses”.

If I’m a Democratic strategist, that’s one of the first things I go after, this laughable notion that the GOP is really the party for small business.

Yeah right …

@@

July 20th, 2011
8:33 am

Taxpayer:

Down from 17.5.

FORTUNO: Yeah, and I must tell you that in the last couple of years that rate of unemployment has come down from almost, you know, 17 and a half percent down to about 16 percent and it actually should be coming down again this summer. We were facing the worst state budget deficit in the country, proportionally speaking, just two years ago. Actually, we were the worst of any state or territory just two years ago. Today we have come a long way and actually from being dead last, we are 20th in the country in terms of the size of our state budget deficit.

We have also been able to start cutting taxes and so, we’re starting to see light at the end of the tunnel, yet we can, for example, start reducing the cost of energy in Puerto Rico. I’m a strong believer that we must reduce the cost of energy, which is twice as high as the average in the mainland, either to be competitive and create jobs, and for that we need help in developing sources of energy other than oil. That includes natural gas and renewable energy among others.

Fortuno’s a Republican governor.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
8:34 am

Obama’s policies haven’t done much for African Americans…maybe they’re in a class of their own.

Unemployment has always been higher for Blacks. LIFO – Last In, First Out… It’s been that way since I was born, and for a good period of time before then. It has little to do with Obama’s policies and more to do with the policies of the private sector in general.

In regards to employment that Obama can actually have some control over, I think Blacks are over-represented, based on percentage of population, when it comes to government jobs. Even those jobs are under attack now due to the “class warfare” that’s been instigated pitting private sector employees vs public sector employees.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
8:35 am

We are all in this bathtub together

…but the Norquislings keep trying to drown us.

That’s why they put us in the bathtub together and not in the same boat. ;)

Larry

July 20th, 2011
8:38 am

Granny,

Stop smoking whatever it is you are smoking and open your eyes. If that is your perception, you need to see a doctor because you are very scary.

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:40 am

Larry

You can’t explain your fears so you accuse me of using drugs.

I say you sir, are a knucklehead.

Would you happen to have two brothers named Darryl?

JB

July 20th, 2011
8:40 am

My favorite election sign seen so far. ” If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you weren’t racist, you’ll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot”.

JB

July 20th, 2011
8:42 am

I think a Perry/Rubio ticket scares Obama.

williebkind

July 20th, 2011
8:42 am

GG and USinUK:

Are you talking about the guy who votes present as leader of the United States? LMAO! You are so convinced that evil is good.

Dave R.

July 20th, 2011
8:46 am

“Why is the right afraid of community organizers?”

Because they’re grossly inept at effective governing.

“Why is the right afraid of intellectuals?”

Because people who think they’re smarter than the rest of us usually aren’t.

“Why is the right afraid of gays?”

Just because. No logical reason at all.

“Why is the right afraid of people of color?”

They’re not.

“Why is the right afraid of women?”

Because by and large, they vote for bigger government.

“Why is the right afraid on non-Christianists?”

They’re not. They just feel sorry for them.

“Why is the right afraid of poor people?”

Because they suck the achievement out of those who aren’t.

“Why is the right afraid of seniors?”

Because they’re mean, cranky people who will hit them with canes and order them off their lawns..

“Why is the right afraid of young Americans?”

Because stupid people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

“Why is the right afraid of Europe?”

They’re not. They are just tired of bailing out their a$$es every time they get themselves into trouble.

“Why is the right afraid of apparently everything?”

Why do liberal generalize so much?

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:46 am

JB

I think a Perry/Rubio ticket would thrill President Obama and make David Plouffe dance a jig.

Go for it. Please.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:46 am

willieb – the President votes?

who knew.

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:47 am

nope … no irony here:

“Why is the right afraid of intellectuals?”

Because people who think they’re smarter than the rest of us usually aren’t.

followed by:

“Why is the right afraid on non-Christianists?”

They’re not. They just feel sorry for them.

oy.

lynnie gal

July 20th, 2011
8:47 am

The only way for Bachmann to beat Obama in ‘12 is for the Republicans to cheat and fix the voting machines, which I think is not beneath them. They will do anything to get back into power and finish the job of destroying the middle class and poor in the U.S. I think they’re playing this hard core policy openly now because they think the money from the rich, unlimited now that the Supreme Court ruled the corporations and rich can give unlimited amounts to campaigns, will tip the elections in their favor next year. They figure money will save them from oblivion. But, as more Americans see how their policies affect them personally, they may be making a miscalculation.

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:49 am

williebkind

of course your just being hyperbolic, because you are aware that a present vote, while an appropriate vote in the Illinois house, isn’t
in the Presedential purview.

that or you are also a knucklehead

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:50 am

Dave R

I’ll have another assignment for you later.

You get a “K”.

Can you guess hat that stands for?

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
8:50 am

My favorite election sign seen so far. ” If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you weren’t racist, you’ll need to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you’re not an idiot”.
*emphasis mine

Followed two minutes by…

Are you talking about the guy who votes present as leader of the United States?

Some people are not waiting until the election to prove they are… You can not make this kinda stuff up, even if you were a writer for Saturday Night Live. Amazing!!!!

@@

July 20th, 2011
8:50 am

SoCo:

This lady gets it.

Why aren’t African-Americans outraged at Obama over economy?

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/09/why-arent-african-americans-outraged-at-obama-over-the-economy/#ixzz1SeIQFyYd

Loved this one:

It’s because that’s what Democrats do when it comes time to court minority voters. They pull out the spit and polish to ensure the shoe looks shiny and new. It would behoove black media and GOP hopefuls to pay more attention to the worn-out sole rather than the shine.

The Dem’s worn-out “soul”? Why I no longer vote Democrat. It’s a facade…always has been.

Dave R.

July 20th, 2011
8:51 am

A “present” vote, while appropriate in the Illinois Senate, is a sign that you have elected a gutless wonder.

Case closed.

Dave R.

July 20th, 2011
8:53 am

“You get a “K”.

Can you guess hat that stands for?”

Knowledgeable! :D

Thanks!

USinUK

July 20th, 2011
8:53 am

ruh-roh … “present votes” now … birth certificate to follow, I’m sure …

JB

July 20th, 2011
8:54 am

I’m a conservative, and would not want Bachman or Palin as President…..But Damn, other than being a far left guy, what in the Hell do you Libs see in Obama. He is very weak. No leadership. Does not believe in anything that made this country great, warts and all. He’s narrow minded and will let you know in a minute he’s not the President of ALL Americans.He’s not a problem solver, but a whiner. He’s thin skinned. His claim to fame is he’s black and liberal. He’s over his head.

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:55 am

Dave R

Your knowledge of Illinois statehouse procedures is underwhelming.

Case double dog closed with a cherry on top.

GT

July 20th, 2011
8:56 am

Mark I find you tone deaf in this. The reason LSU reacted the way they did is because they understood they had violated the rules. When there is a dead body on the floor and a smoking gun in your hand, any damage control at all is an improvement in your position. Now since the “killer” has handled himself admirably and been polite he is given his gun back. Is the purpose of the NCAA to run a school of etiquette or at the end of the day to make sure the real violators are punished.

Tech hard as it may seem did not think it had done anything wrong. They didn’t feel they needed to kiss the rump of the NCAA over 312 dollars that is deputed in the first place. Maybe next time they can just give the 100,000 to a Cam Newton type ballplayer and be real polite and get more for their money and less time for the crime. Innocent people act differently in a plea bargaining situation.

waterstim

July 20th, 2011
8:56 am

Let’s search for a poll that states what we think……..by Golly, I’ll find one somewhere. Jay is a moron.

sirwinston19

July 20th, 2011
8:57 am

All of us need to really think about the 2012 election. We have seen Billions of dollars go to all of these Banks, Automobiles companies and others while American citizens continue to take the buck of paying back what we have given. We still are paying to much for a gallon of gas; and that really matters…our elected officials get a lot of perks; but we have to fight for whatever we get even though we pay taxes. It appear to me, and I am sure to all of you that our leadership in Washington as been about constant inhouse fighting rather than getting the job done for America. We are permitting for jobs to go overseas and less is produced here in America. No jobs for America and that keep monies from going back into our own economy. I am not sure where we are headed…and I don’t think our leaders either. They are all about themselves rather than about America.

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
8:57 am

Dave R

You are more than welcome to believe what you wish.

It does however provide yet another example of your unwillingness or inability to face the truth.

Case double dog closed with a cherry on top and whipped cream.

Is there an emoticon for kindly patting a child on the head?

If so imagine it here.

GT

July 20th, 2011
8:59 am

woops wrong number sorry

Dave R.

July 20th, 2011
9:00 am

“Your knowledge of Illinois statehouse procedures is underwhelming.”

Oh, really? When given a choice between “Aye”, “Nay” and “Present” which vote do YOU see as not taking a stand on an issue?

Is English your FIRST language?

Jay

July 20th, 2011
9:00 am

Let’s search for a poll that states what we think……..by Golly, I’ll find one somewhere. Jay is a moron.

But do you have a poll that says Jay is a moron? Because otherwise ….

Fresh sheets.

JB

July 20th, 2011
9:03 am

Do any of you blacks on this blog realize that Democrats are not you’re friend.Keeping the “slave” quarters painted and handing out food stamps and keeping the schools a mess is really not helping. They have been in charge for most of the the time since the Civil Rights passage. How’s that working out for you? It goes back to old saying of ‘ teach a man to fish” . Are Democrats teaching you how to fish…………..Or just dropping you by a fish everyday. Success is wonderful…I know many blacks who have found it…..and love it….racism, yes it will always be there…..But there’s room at the table for all…………..You ought to listen to the other message every now and then………and look around…………Or sit around and wait on the mail…….

Dave R.

July 20th, 2011
9:03 am

“You are more than welcome to believe what you wish.”

Actually, I believe in facts.

None of which you EVER provide when posting, nor when responding to posts.

Your incessant attacks on all things conservative and your embarrassing fawning over this mistake-prone President is proof positive of someone who has no grasp of reality.

Granny Godzilla

July 20th, 2011
9:04 am

Dave R

Again…underwhelming. In fact severely underwhelming.

But since it means so much to you….I will ALLOW YOU to have the last word.

Go for it big fella.

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
9:06 am

@@

And the fact that she’s a Conservative columnist doesn’t slant her opinion at all either, huh? I loathe people like her with the same furor as I loathe those who march lockstep with the Democratic Party as well. Neither party gives a sh*t about Blacks, and that’s more evident through their actions than any lip service they could ever show.

If you look at pure numbers, Black unemployment now is the same percentage as it was under Bush. Going off the percentages she’s quoting, Black unemployment rides at about 180% of the total unemployment percentage. To say Obama has a problem would mean that she’s agreeing that Bush had a problem. She had no problem defending Bush, as the people she’s ripping appear to have no problem defending Obama. Both groups are wrong in my opinion.

Brain

July 20th, 2011
9:16 am

Jay – The Teavangelicals aren’t any different than the “Christian Coalition” that ruined the GOP in the 90s. They don’t want anyone telling them what to do, but have no problems telling everyone else what to do. They don’t want the gov’t to take their money, but they want the gov’t to keep them whole on everything from farm subsidies to social security to medicare to defense spending to corporate welfare to aid to Israel. They don’t want anyone to tell them not to erect massive, Christian edifices in public areas, but they oppose Islamic mosques on private land all day long.

They’re poorly-educated bigots, Jay. That’s all that needs to be said.

Just like those that opposed separating from Britain, abolishing slavery, allowing women to vote, civil rights, etc, these folks will wake up 30 years from now and (hopefully) be ashamed of the positions they once took.

waterstim

July 20th, 2011
9:22 am

Yes I do, Jay. I have a poll that says you are a moron. Anyone who can support the current “spend your way to prosperity” of this administration, is a moron. Austerity measures are coming. You just watch.

@@

July 20th, 2011
9:22 am

SoCo:

I don’t know HER personally, but I do know black conservatives who USED to vote Democrat. THEIR opinions matter to me. What’s really funny is THEY don’t think I’m conservative enough. My neighbor even asked why I continue to bear the black man’s burden when there’s no need. That one kinda hurt but I get what he’s sayin’.

Maybe one day…

JB

July 20th, 2011
9:31 am

A well spoken insightful black man called Neil Boortz this week and got all over Obama. Damn his skin color he said. He told Neil don’t be surprised if Obama’s black support dropped from around 95% to around 80%, which is huge. He said the other problem for Obama and the black vote is the thrill is gone, and many blacks won’t back to the polls in 2012.

lovelyliz

July 20th, 2011
9:32 am

Rest assured that when on either side of the political aisle, one of the crazies makes it to the top, there’s somebody from the other political party forking $$$ over to said crazy. Makes their candidates job a bit easier. Lesson learned from Nixon’s people

Brosephus

July 20th, 2011
9:35 am

@@

Based on what I’ve read from you here, I know you have a heart of gold. Don’t change who you are to appease those around you. There always has to be somebody there to challenge the status quo. As for me, I plan on obliterating the status quo, hence my distaste for both sides of the political spectrum. I would much rather have a grounded logical approach to things without the liberal or conservative filter in place. We sometimes lose valuable information or intel because we listen to things with our biases instead of just actively listening.

Your conservative friends probably have legitimate issues with the Dems as you did. Speaking out for someone isn’t toting that person’s burden. The squeaky wheel always gets greased, but sometimes there needs to be just a bit of amplification of the squeaks from other sources for it to get heard.

Goldie

July 20th, 2011
9:40 am

“racism, yes it will always be there…..”

JB — yes, as evidenced by your “you blacks on this blog” statement. Well done, JB — the Aryan Nation is calling you!

JB

July 20th, 2011
9:45 am

Goldie……….you don’t know me at all. you would be surprised.

a reader

July 20th, 2011
9:57 am

truly, JB, you will always be a racist.

the mistake obama makes is attempting partisanship with the party of no. the more he compromises the more obstinate the right-wing pose becomes. most on the left would prefer to see more leftism. if the average income bracket rightist could clear the poop from their brains for a second and listen to the rote political crap they are repeating – they’d gag when the self punishing truth of their bather sinks in.

Robert

July 20th, 2011
10:12 am

lol….Only in the deep, deep, South (NC,SC,GA, etc.) will you see a stupid poll like this. The GOP is dead on arrival – (DOA) and the whole country knows this but these southern “peckerwoods” hoping to succeed from the union and “take my country back”. What a bunch of losers.

Robert

July 20th, 2011
10:27 am

@JB – Congratulations!!!! You are the first person on this comment board to admit being a card carrying member of the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, birthers, etc.). The “tea party” weapons of choice are hatred, fear and rage/mob mentality against the American People (minorities, women, gays & lesbians, Muslims & Jews, etc.). The whole world saw their hatred and bigotry on display during the 2010 midterm elections and heard their call to battle (take back my country) as well as saw the majority of poor, uneducated, disenfranshised White Americans (sounds like you)embrace the “tea party” as a protest against the American People for electing the first Black President of the USA, and vote for the entire GOP ticket regardless of the candidates experience. The American People have never seen organized terrorism at the ballot box and I hope we never will again. It is time for all Americans to choose sides. The American People (minorities, women, gays & lesbians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) or the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, birthers, etc.) ? What side are you on ? Thank you very much.

Robert

July 20th, 2011
10:41 am

@Jay Bookman – How about another poll that will give us real opinions. Your readers want to know – What side are you on? The American People or the “tea party” ?

Larry

July 20th, 2011
2:32 pm

Granny,

Those are not my fears so they didn’t deserve a response. I suspect they are yours though…

wayne

July 21st, 2011
4:52 pm

In assessing the “performance” of any candidate in the Iowa straw poll/caucus, one must bear in mind that every 2nd person is a teabagger and every third person is an evangelical……the real world starts with NH……Good Luck Michelle…..luv to see you try to take on Obama!

ken

July 21st, 2011
6:16 pm

who did cha poll 3 winos in central park

ken

July 21st, 2011
6:16 pm

Enter your comments here

jason

July 22nd, 2011
2:44 am

Ron Paul 2012…..major news media hates em….so dont listen to what they spin….listen to actualy things he has said and been sayin for 20 sum years of when he was in congress….its doesnt take much of hearing what he has to say to figure he is the president america needs in order for it to survive