Tough times for Murdoch, and more to come
Rupert Murdoch has had a tough week.
A day after claiming “minor mistakes” had been made, he issued a nationwide apology in Great Britain for “serious wrongdoing.” His protege and close friend, Rebekah Brooks, has been forced to resign from News Corp. as has Les Hinton, publisher of the Wall Street Journal and former head of News Corp.’s British newspaper properties.
“Invited” to appear next week before Parliament, Murdoch and his son James initially declined. It was apparently explained that such an offer should not be refused, because later that day the pair announced they would appear after all. Murdoch has also withdrawn his bid to further expand his empire in Britain by trying to buy a major broadcasting outlet.
Here in the United States, where News Corp. is headquartered and where the Australian-born Murdoch is a citizen, pressure has grown for another set of investigations. Several members of Congress, including Republican Peter King of New York, have called for an investigation into reports that British-based News Corp. reporters tried to bribe U.S. police officers to assist in tapping the phone accounts of Sept. 11 victims.
Others are calling for a Justice Department investigation into whether the bribes apparently paid to Scotland Yard officials in Britain. (The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act makes it illegal for U.S. companies to use bribery in overseas business.)
Allegations of efforts to violate the privacy of Sept. 11 victims and their families should of course be run down and either proved or disproved, if possible. If such crimes occurred in this country, they should be prosecuted.
However, trying to prosecute News Corp. and its officials here for alleged crimes perpetrated in Britain by British citizens against other British citizens would smack of overreach and raise questions of political motivation. After years of trying to sweep the problem under the rug, British officials now seem intent on investigating News Corp. and its actions fully, and on exacting punishment.
Based on what we know so far, U.S. officials have no need to intervene.
– Jay Bookman
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Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
9:10 am
First?
Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
9:11 am
Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
9:16 am
I guess some media folks took freedom of the press a little too far. It’s going to be interesting how all this turns out.
Mick
July 16th, 2011
9:21 am
Fox news anybody? Does all this scandal “tarnish” their brand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46bBWBG9r2o
stands for decibels
July 16th, 2011
9:21 am
Allegations of efforts to violate the privacy of Sept. 11 victims and their families should of course be run down and either proved or disproved, if possible. If such crimes occurred in this country, they should be prosecuted.
For sure, but unless something’s changed in the last day, that story is, as they say, “lightly sourced”.
Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
9:22 am
I hope I didn’t insult anyone with my Petty Dylan comparison last nite.I just think their singing voices sound similar and have never really cared for either’s music. Jus sayin……
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2011
9:29 am
Scooter, the problem with entertainers and celebrities is, they won’t keep their political mouth shut. Some will say they are humans just like us and have a right to voicing their opinions. I say a huge part of their popularity is based on personal perception, fantasy, or whatever you wish to call it. Once they jump into the opposite political position, they deserve what they reap, i.e., The Dixie Chicks, Sarandan and Robbins, Ed Harris, etc. Few statements are more true than “Shut Up and SIng.”
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2011
9:30 am
While it’s true that money talks and BS walks, there is a limit, for now, as to how far great wealth can go in steamrolling over the rights of the people. If Murdoch winds up being charged with criminal activities in this country, look for an all out fight between those whose job it is to protect what morals we have left and lawyers whose job it is to get their guilty clients off using every dirty legal trick in the book. Enjoy the show and be sure that we, the people, will wind up paying the bill in the end.
Mick
July 16th, 2011
9:31 am
scooter
I don’t think anybody should be insulted, I have only one rule when it comes to music – if I like, I like it, no matter the genre-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_yvrugtnpo
Mick
July 16th, 2011
9:34 am
reb
Couldn’t disagree more, why should anyone’s opinions in america upset you? It’s inconsequential in the big picture, que sera sera…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOc7cwzyqgI
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2011
9:38 am
Mick, as I stated, it’s personal perception. And based on the number of celbs who have suffered backlash there are lots of others who agree. The smart ones quitely support their political causes. Only the mega stars can get away with public bashing of the loyal opposition.
@@
July 16th, 2011
9:39 am
Murdoch, AGAIN????? His problem! His money!
The Demcare bribe list
^^^ My problem! OUR money!
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2011
9:44 am
Although the rabbid Left may long for Murdoch’s head on a stick, I just don’t see it pretty much along the lines Jay lists. Justice would need audio of Murdoch discussing the hacks/taps. Anything short of that and its too hot.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2011
10:07 am
So now the next step is to vilify the evil Fox news channel. I note that Bookman is not dumb enough to do this, to his credit. If there is solid evidence that Murdoch or any of his staff were complicit in hacking 9/11 victims, his head should roll. But if @@’s list doesn’t convince you of Bozo dishonesty and under the table dealings, you are part of the problems or are just not listening.
getalife
July 16th, 2011
10:16 am
I still have this song stuck in my head.
“I am going to watch you burn. You are going to get what you deserve.” Papa Roach.
Karma.
Fred
July 16th, 2011
10:27 am
Mick @9:21: I didn’t know they had a brand to be tarnished. I’ve thought they were the Nat’l Enquirer of news since they first came out. Their “credibility” was shot with me long before they gained the “reputation” of being right wing slanted. I don’t trust anything they “report” unless it’s a story everyone else is reporting. They fabricated to many times in the past and in my opinion are as “factual’ as 60 minutes.
All in all it’s really tough to find “news” any more. every station substitutes opinion for reporting.
getalife
July 16th, 2011
10:29 am
“you are part of the problems or are just not listening.”
I saw these words in Krugman’s last column:
“So there has been no pressure on the G.O.P. to show any kind of responsibility, or even rationality — and sure enough, it has gone off the deep end. If you’re surprised, that means that you were part of the problem. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:33 am
Who is going to investigate the AJC ?
Kamchak
July 16th, 2011
10:34 am
Michelle Malkin.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:35 am
Headline: “Obama: Tax the rich as part of debt relief”
Well, there you go. The Chinese communists and “our ruler” have spoken.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:40 am
“A federal appeals court late Friday ordered the military to temporarily continue its “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for openly gay service members, responding to a request from the Obama administration.”
So the Obama administration requested this huh ?
Obama and getalife must really hate gays.
Left wing management
July 16th, 2011
10:41 am
See?
It’s all the libruls fault
Left wing management
July 16th, 2011
10:42 am
Here in the United States, where News Corp. is headquartered and where the Australian-born Murdoch is a citizen
I wanna see his frickin papers.
Where are the PAPERS, man!!!??
Mick
July 16th, 2011
10:43 am
reb
I think it more amusing to know a celebs political beliefs. Case in point; bo derek a conservative? Good for her, I just won’t be agreeing much with her beliefs anytime soon and I’m sure it bothers her not…
yaker
I really don’t care too much about fox news because I rarely if ever, choose to watch it. I’ve abandoned network news altogether. No, I get my news the old fashioned way, the miami herald every day, cover to cover. Then it’s on to the internets and the AJC, NYT & Limbaugh. If you have about 5 or 6 sources, it is way too easy to spot the talking points on both sides. So, to borrow a line from scout, I call it like it see em…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxEmnxiUz8w
El Jefe
July 16th, 2011
10:46 am
“However, trying to prosecute News Corp. and its officials here for alleged crimes perpetrated in Britain by British citizens against other British citizens would smack of overreach and raise questions of political motivation”
How would this be any different for Eric Holder – overreaching? He is either not reaching or overreaching all the time.
Mick
July 16th, 2011
10:46 am
**Headline: “Obama: Tax the rich as part of debt relief”**
OK, then lets just skip the rich and privileged and focus on taxing YOU! That’s basically what you’re calling for, you just can’t wrap your mind around it….
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:48 am
Headline: “Rudy eyes New Hampshire path”
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy ……………………
Left wing management
July 16th, 2011
10:49 am
Getalife:
It was perhaps the strongest and most aggressive Krugman column I’ve seen yet.
And much overdue.
The mainstream establishment media bears a great deal of responsibility for the degradation of political discourse in our time. The David Broders and Mark Halperins of the world systematically stymie what should be the press’s true mission: to slash ideological obfuscation to ribbons using a sword of truth.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:49 am
BADA:
Now what if old man Murdoch had gotten ahold of some classified information ……… say like in the Pentagon Papers?
I guess Jay would say he was a hero.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:50 am
Mick:
1) Check the stats man ………… check the stats
2) Wealth envy
3) Income redistribution
Off to the dog park !
N-GA
July 16th, 2011
10:53 am
Murdoch created and nurtured a tabloid environment. It’s in his blood and he does it better than anyone else. He expects shock-value “news” and rewards it well.
While “reporters” demand that they be allowed to keep their sources anonymous, this allows outrageous behavior such as what occurred in the UK. At the very least, editors should inquire into a reporter’s sources so that they can try to catch illegal activities before they become part of the culture. When we have paparazzi harassing celebrities and reporters sifting through trash, things are out of hand.
It’s funny how the same people who cite Constitutional rights when endorsing gun ownership seem to go the other way when people start demanding their right to privacy.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 16th, 2011
10:54 am
Well, I sure hope this mess don’t get to Fox News. I wouldn’t get any news or know how to think about it. And neither would most Conservatives on this blog. Even though they claim they never watch it. The Wall Street Journal is too uppity for most people to understand, so I’d be left with catching Rush or Neal on the radio if I wanted to know anything at all. Maybe I could read the Drudge Report but that’s not always up to date. They’re really making a big to-do about listening in on a few telephone calls and messages. Can’t we all just get along and leave Rupert alone?
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2011
11:10 am
The Debt Ceiling Reality Show Must Go On
Both the Democrat and Republican budget plans insure economic collapse within the next ten years. Again, using ridiculously optimistic assumptions, our National Debt would rise from $14.3 trillion today to between $23 and $26 trillion in ten years. Does that sound like cuts in spending to you?
Luckily, we’ll never reach those levels. We will hit $20 trillion in debt by 2015. That is a lock. Total Federal government revenue today is $2.175 trillion. We spend approximately $1 trillion per year on our military related adventures, or 46% of our total revenue. If interest rates are 5% in 2015, we will spend $1 trillion on interest. If rates are 10%, we will spend $2 trillion on interest.
Do you get the picture? An unsustainable trend will not be sustained. We have two choices. We can proactively address the problem or just wait for the collapse of our economic system. This debt ceiling reality show is all the proof I need. Our leaders will choose to wait. It won’t be long.
Since no one in Washington DC can be depended upon to do the right thing, the only solution is to pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. Special interests across the land would mobilize all their forces to fight this idea. Deficit spending of $1.5 trillion per year enriches bankers, bomb makers, the AARP, mega-corporations, chain stores, restaurants, insurance companies, drug makers, etc. They will fight for their right to suck the country dry.
getalife
July 16th, 2011
11:14 am
Issa will have to investigate his own propaganda channel.
Too funny.
HDB
July 16th, 2011
11:15 am
1811/1801 – 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
10:50 am
When asked why does he rob banks, Dillenger said: ” Cause that’s where the money is!” Isn’t it logical to get the revenue from those who HAVE money! It’s not wealth envy…but supply (the rich have excess money) and demand (the government and the people need financing)!
It’s that simple!!
@@
July 16th, 2011
11:19 am
Kamchak:
Michelle Malkin references articles at ABC News, LATimes, Houston Chronicle, WSJ, and Washington Post, among others.
Media “Matters”, does it not?
You’re welcome.
Midori
July 16th, 2011
11:19 am
every time I read something written by Scout or Johnny Reb, I lose a couple IQ points.
Must steer clear of that gobbledy gook in the future.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
11:20 am
“Fox news anybody? Does all this scandal “tarnish” their brand?”
No. The brand is only tarnished with those who do not view Fox objectively, and it won’t change the minds of those who do view it objectively.
This is a British newspaper issue that just happens to be owned by the same guy who owns Fox.
getalife
July 16th, 2011
11:21 am
Our country is not fiscally bankrupt it is morally bankrupt.
Making money on spin for the gullible cons to divide our country, the wealthy gaming our political and economic systems, war is good for the economy, etc,,,,,,,
Everybody gaming the systems with no sheriff in town.
Even our SC is corrupt.
Lets stop that not looking back nonsense and bring accountability back to our morally bankrupt country.
Kamchak
July 16th, 2011
11:23 am
@@
So?
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
11:24 am
“Our country is not fiscally bankrupt it is morally bankrupt.”
No, when you have a $14 trillion debt rising 10% per year, we’re actually pretty much fiscally bankrupt.
Michael
July 16th, 2011
11:28 am
Richard Nixon’s spirit could be enjoying this – watching the government investigate the press for a change. Bad luck his old proteges are employed by Newscorp. The pattern of denial, then fire someone to take the heat off seems to come from the Watergate playbook.
getalife
July 16th, 2011
11:30 am
Dave,
There is a solution that is very simple.
Spend less and recover the millions of jobs your party lost.
The solution for our morally bankrupt country is changing a culture of corruption and not so easy.
@@
July 16th, 2011
11:30 am
Kamchak:
So? It’s more than just Michelle Malkin cheering.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
11:33 am
Off topic, but did anyone else see our esteemed Secretary of State come out and recognize “the rebels” in Libya as the legitimate government?
First, how do you recognize a group of people that have no legislative power?
Second, how do you recognize a group of people who do not even occupy the country’s capital?
Third, how do you recognize a group of people who have been promising that they will be in their country’s capital in another 10 days – for over TWO MONTHS NOW?
Fourth, how do you recognize a group of people as the legitimate government when the current head of government is still alive, still in country, still in the capital, and hasn’t abdicated authority?
The arrogance and incompetence of our current administration knows no bounds.
Kamchak
July 16th, 2011
11:35 am
It’s more than just Michelle Malkin cheering.
Toh-may-toh
Toh-mah-toh
Either way, she’s just eye candy.
getalife
July 16th, 2011
11:36 am
Michael,
The plan for a gop propaganda channel was hatched by the Nixon administration.
There are documents to prove this fact.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
11:36 am
“There is a solution that is very simple.
Spend less and recover the millions of jobs your party lost.”
First, that is not a “solution”, getaclue, but a “goal”. One requires details, which is why you don’t have a “solution”.
Second, not my party.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
11:38 am
“The plan for a gop propaganda channel was hatched by the Nixon administration.
There are documents to prove this fact.”
Yeah, and Dick Cheney was wiring high explosives to the support girders of the Twin Towers on 9/10/2001 . . .
Jay
July 16th, 2011
11:39 am
First, how do you recognize a group of people that have no legislative power?
Second, how do you recognize a group of people who do not even occupy the country’s capital?
Third, how do you recognize a group of people who have been promising that they will be in their country’s capital in another 10 days – for over TWO MONTHS NOW?
Fourth, how do you recognize a group of people as the legitimate government when the current head of government is still alive, still in country, still in the capital, and hasn’t abdicated authority?
Gee, I don’t know. If FDR and Eisenhower were still around, maybe we could ask them those same questions about the Free French and DeGaulle. Of course, Ike and Franklin didn’t have the benefit of Dave R’s counsel to tell them such things were impossible or improper.
Mick
July 16th, 2011
11:41 am
scout
You crack me up, if I have wealth envy then you have wealth worship. Afterall, we know jesus would want them to be exempt. Wealth redistribution? You’ve got to be kidding me, lowest tax rates since the fifties when gas was 12 cents a gallon. The past thirty years have been more like wealth confiscation or rather redistributed – up. Your defend that???
Midori
July 16th, 2011
11:41 am
http://politicalwire.com/images/7-16-11.jpg
@@
July 16th, 2011
11:41 am
Does anyone know where this appeared?
“When logged on to the [redacted] system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorised [redacted], DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorised [sic] officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.”
Ayn Rant
July 16th, 2011
11:42 am
Let’s hope the scandal engulfs FoxNews, the Republican propaganda outlet.
Uncle Jed
July 16th, 2011
11:46 am
Fox news anybody? Does all this scandal “tarnish” their brand?
+++++++++++++++++++++
At this point, I don’t think it would but time/ratings will tell.
It seems to me that before the feds invest a lot of time and resources into Murdoch’s U.S. operations, they should take up the Media Matters matter. That broke first.
Historically, what has the impact been on news operations causght up in scandals or unsavory appearances? I honestly don’t know. I recall Dan Rather brought some bad “optics” to CBS. I am sure the NYT has had its share of blunders; maybe even the AJC. I feel certain FOX will get the full measure of probing and “conventional media” attention due to thier unequalled successes over the years.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
11:48 am
“Gee, I don’t know. If FDR and Eisenhower were still around, maybe we could ask them those same questions about the Free French and DeGaulle. Of course, Ike and Franklin didn’t have the benefit of Dave R’s counsel to tell them such things were impossible or improper.”
And if those two situations were the same, Jay, your faulty comparison might be valid.
Alas, it is not.
France’s legitimate government was displaced by an armed invasion. An invasion that was always planned to be reversed to the status quo ante.
But other than that, Jay, you’ve nailed it!
(sarcasm dripping)
getalife
July 16th, 2011
11:50 am
Dave,
The great Hillary Clinton is showing the world that if they fight for freedom, we have their backs.
@@
July 16th, 2011
11:53 am
And then there’s:
WASHINGTON — Alarmed by a shortage of primary care doctors, Obama administration officials are recruiting a team of “mystery shoppers” to pose as patients, call doctors’ offices and request appointments to see how difficult it is for people to get care when they need it.–NYT
Obama orders covert operations against American citizens.
schnirt
getalife
July 16th, 2011
11:55 am
The Pentagon should call it a act of war and bomb fox snooze.
BADA BING
July 16th, 2011
12:08 pm
J Lo and Marc Anthony getting a divorce. How sad, I know he hates to leave her behind.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
12:11 pm
BADA is in da howze!
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2011
12:14 pm
Perhaps Scout will have a different take on things when his federal retirement checks quit showing up in his bank account.
Dusty
July 16th, 2011
12:17 pm
Phewww….another can of worms from Bookman. Acts the innocent and then it is: maybe this or maybe that but his blank shots are always aimed at the”right”. Don’t wait for facts and investigations. DECIDE now Ho hum…always Fox and the right. I bet he won’t even make a left turn when driving.
Luckovich had a decent cartoon for a change. Aimed right at the head honcho of APS. Seemed less into propaganda with that one.
BUTTTTT ….I am still celebrating. Braves won 11 to 1 last night. Welcome back, Prado. We missed you.
And ….@@, keep up the pot shots. You are hitting the target very well. ..
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
12:19 pm
“The great Hillary Clinton is showing the world that if they fight for freedom, we have their backs.”
getaclue, please cite the appropriate wording in the Constitution that gives our government authority to intervene in a freedom fight against a legitimate government.
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2011
12:21 pm
BADA is in da howze!
Let the LOLs roll!
Jay
July 16th, 2011
12:23 pm
Personally, I wouldn’t call Ghaddafi’s terror regime a “legitimate government,” but since Dave R has conferred that status on him….
Dusty
July 16th, 2011
12:23 pm
getalife, 11:55
You’re da ‘BOMB”. We don’t bomb US news centers even if we don’t like them. Could you restrain your rhetoric instead of acting like you just got out the booby bin?
Kamchak
July 16th, 2011
12:29 pm
BADA is in da howze!
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………………
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
12:29 pm
“Personally, I wouldn’t call Ghaddafi’s terror regime a “legitimate government,” but since Dave R has conferred that status on him…”
Oh, so now we’re supposed to ignore that FACT that Ghaddafi has been running the country since frikkin’ 1969 and take the word of an opinion columnist in Atlanta, GA over, say, the United Nations, the United States of America for over 40 years, the World Court, the European Union and countless other nations?
And I thought our administration was arrogant . . .
Midori
July 16th, 2011
12:31 pm
looks like Dave’s feathers have been slightly ruffled
M K S
July 16th, 2011
12:32 pm
If this isn’t the lazy sort of journalistic excrement that is at the heart of the big debate, I don’t know what is. Rather than issuing a “nothing to see here, move along” a real reporter would be beating the streets looking to see if such illegalities occurred on this side of the ocean. Instead, our intrepid columnist wraps it all up in a neat little “Based on what we know so far, U.S. officials have no need to intervene” bow. The truth is, it is the Fourth Estate that has grown dumber and incurious, not the citizenry.
Do your job, man.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
12:32 pm
My feathers always get ruffled when confronted with absolute partisan stupidity, Midori.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
12:34 pm
Mick:
Do I defend that?
Matthew 25 (Jesus):
“14 For it is like a man going on a journey, who summoned his slaves (SLAVES? OH, WELL ….. SAVE THIS FOR ANOTHER DAY) and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The one who had received five talents went off right away and put his money to work270 and gained five more. 17 In the same way, the one who had two gained two more. 18 But the one who had received one talent went out and dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money in it. 19 After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled his accounts with them. 20 The one who had received the five talents came and brought five more, saying, ‘Sir, you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’ 21 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful in a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 The one with the two talents also came and said, ‘Sir, you entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more.’ 23 His master answered, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You have been faithful with a few things. I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 Then the one who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Sir, I knew that you were a hard man, harvesting where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’”
NOTICE THE ONE TALENT WAS TAKEN AWAY AND GIVEN NOT TO THE ONE WHO HADE FIVE ………….. BUT THE ONE WHO HAD TEN !!
TRANSLATION:
HARDWORK VS. SLOTH
Jay
July 16th, 2011
12:35 pm
The United Nations, Dave R? So you are delegating US authority to the UN?
Very well. But would that be the same UN that has authorized this military action? I mean, if you are going to cite the UN as an authority….
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
12:37 pm
Taxpayer:
“Perhaps Scout will have a different take on things when his federal retirement checks quit showing up in his bank account.”
A couple of points:
1) I “earned” it ………… as opposed to an “entitlement” for being lazy.
2) Keep your tax dollars coming to me as I signed a “contract” between you (via your representative government) and me in 1966 and I served you for 37 years.
3) If that happens, it’s all over for you too and the country is gone.
Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
12:38 pm
My feathers always get ruffled when confronted with absolute partisan stupidity, Midori.
What are you trying to say Dave?
LMAO
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
12:38 pm
getalife hates the Pentagon and the military.
Jay
July 16th, 2011
12:40 pm
He’s saying it’s hard looking in the mirror, Scooter.
Kamchak
July 16th, 2011
12:44 pm
He’s saying it’s hard looking in the mirror, Scooter.
I think if Dave R were to look in the mirror he’d see a pudding face smile now that you’re talking to him again, Jay.
RW-(the original)
July 16th, 2011
12:49 pm
Does anyone know where this appeared?
I do, I do…call on me teach!
(ISH)
Bruno
July 16th, 2011
12:50 pm
josef didn’t have the courtesy to tell me what it was all about. I liked exchanges with him but I’m done too.
Scout–IMO, it speaks volumes about you if you truly can’t figure out what might be bugging josef. Could it possibly be your repeated use of gay slurs here on the blog??
The bottom line is that you’re personally uncomfortable with homosexuality. No problem there since you have plenty of company. But, rather than being honest about your feelings, you choose to hide behind a bunch of Biblical nonsense to justify your uneasiness. Yes, homosexuality is named as a “sin” in the Bible, but as others have pointed out, there is a laundry list of “sins” in the Bible which are of little consequence in the modern world. And your line about hating the sin but not the sinner is total crap. Hate is hate, period. We are pack animals by nature. Whether one is “in” the group or “out” of the group strikes us all in a primal way. By your repeated use of slurs, your message to josef is that he’s “out” of the group. As such, why should he give you the time of day, Confederate Brothers or not??
If I know josef as well as I think I do, I don’t believe he wants me to fight his battles for him. But I consider him a friend, so feel the need to speak out.
Schrodinger's cat
July 16th, 2011
12:51 pm
Dave R -”getaclue, please cite the appropriate wording in the Constitution that gives our government authority to intervene in a freedom fight against a legitimate government.”
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Constitutions don’t matter
Bruno
July 16th, 2011
12:52 pm
Off to the new clinic, will check back later……
theyeshaveit
July 16th, 2011
12:52 pm
File under “Look Left And Look Right Before You Cross”. Get it?
The four most dangerous places to walk in America are in Florida.
Transportation for America just released the 2011 edition of its “Dangerous by Design” report, which calculated the Pedestrian Danger Index in metro areas around the country. Of course, cities where people walk more have more pedestrian deaths, so the index plots the number of pedestrians who die against the number of people who walk.
The result is very bad news for Sun Belt pedestrians.
Of the 20 most dangerous places to walk, only one — Detroit — is north of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
12:53 pm
He’s saying it’s hard looking in the mirror, Scooter
I guess it is a matter of perspective Kam.Dave does’nt seem all that partisan to me.
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
12:55 pm
“The United Nations, Dave R? So you are delegating US authority to the UN?”
No, neither am I automatically dismissing over 40 years of U.S. recognition, Jay.
“Very well. But would that be the same UN that has authorized this military action? I mean, if you are going to cite the UN as an authority….”
Uh, Jay? The U.N. resolution does NOT de-legitimize Ghaddfi’s authority to govern at all. It was passed to back a no-fly zone over Libya and “all necessary measures” to protect civilians short of an occupation.
You’re simply amazing. When caught in the indefensible position of this administration in bestowing legitimacy to a bunch of rebels who haven’t won anything, you first:
Incorrectly compare Libya to WWII France. When caught in THAT mistake, you:
Arbitrarily de-legitimize Ghaddafi’s government on your own, and when caught in THAT mistake, you:
Ignore the legitimate bodies who have recognized Ghaddifi’s government for 40 years and erroneously cite the UN.
Are you dizzy, Jay? You should be, because you’ve been spinning like crazy in trying to justify that which flies in the face of logic, Constitutionality, common sense and years of governmental operations.
In short, a typical day for you.
theyeshaveit
July 16th, 2011
12:56 pm
Bruno,
Just thought I’d say that your 12:50 PM is right on.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2011
12:57 pm
Scout,
A little presumptuous of you to claim that you are entitled to have your pension while no one else is. Who put you at the front of the line. Like I said, you might have a different take on things when you have to join the rank and file. After all, you’re just another unfunded bill when the money runs out. See you in bankruptcy court where you can argue your claim along with everyone else.
Real Scooter
July 16th, 2011
12:58 pm
Dang,how did I see Kam’s 12:44 before I saw Jay’s 12:40?
Too much coffee I guess.
theyeshaveit
July 16th, 2011
1:00 pm
All this isolationist talk inspires me…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3WhHrrNgs
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
1:01 pm
BADA:
“Hey, G.I. ……… you marry me and take me United States?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn6vnwzpLAI&feature=related
Dave R.
July 16th, 2011
1:04 pm
Bruno? You’re 12:50?
TESTIFY!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
1:06 pm
Taxpayer:
Putting my life on the line puts me (and others who did so) at the front of the line.
You forget my friend ………… if my pension goes there will be no tax court.
It’s all over and it will be “every man for himself”.
I hope you are ready.
I am.
Schrodinger's cat
July 16th, 2011
1:06 pm
Lybia rebels being recognized was a move to release10’s of millions in frozen Ghaddafi’s assets…to the rebels….think of them as GM
Jay
July 16th, 2011
1:06 pm
Dave R., your self-regard is impressive.
If only the rest of the world saw you as you see yourself.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
1:07 pm
Eyes:
Did you see this last night re: the gypsie violinist ?
You can get the CD.
http://www.circapaleo.com/products-page/
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2011
1:09 pm
Scout,
It doesn’t matter what you put on the line once the US defaults. You have to stand in line right alongside all those undeserving folks, begging for your little piece of the pie.
theyeshaveit
July 16th, 2011
1:09 pm
Scout said, “Hey, G.I. ……… you marry me and take me United States?”
Scout,
Look at your calendar. GI’s aren’t giving out chocolate to the waifs in the streets of Europe these days. The US is in decline on a number of fronts (not just the economy – we rank 17th in math). Some Asian nations donated good and money to victims of Katrina. China owns Daddy WARBucks. If you think that you are going to live on social security in this country, you’d better learn how to make a “victory garden”. Yup. Those victory gardens are making a comeback. If you were about 50 years younger, you might be marrying a rich Chinese girl and moving to Shanghai.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
1:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R1dtIf8LQM
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
July 16th, 2011
1:11 pm
Eyes:
Sadly, you are correct. It’s soon to be, “Suzie, will you marry me and take me China?”
And our current “Ruler” accelerates our way down that road.