Rick Perry’s odd mix of church and state

Gov. Rick Perry of Texas is being touted as a late but promising entry into the GOP presidential field, a candidate capable of emerging as the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.

In the meantime, however, Perry is focusing his energy on organizing an all-day festival of Christian prayer and fasting on Aug. 6 at Reliant Stadium in Houston, called The Response. The intent of the rally is “to pray for a historic breakthrough for our country and a renewed sense of moral purpose.”

“We want the presence, power, and person of Christ to fill our nation and turn the hearts of millions to righteousness, peace, and joy in Him,” Perry and other organizers tell us. “We want the blessing and favor of a Holy God who loves righteousness and wants to see righteousness exalt a nation in our generation. We want to see real change across our nation that only our God can perform.”

I have no problem with any of that, although I do confess to some uneasiness with its sponsorship by a major political figure.

More troubling, however, is the list of religious leaders who have joined Perry as official sponsors or “endorsers” of the rally.

For example, one of Perry’s partners in sponsoring the rally is the American Family Association, led by Donald Wildmon and the AFA’s “director of issues analysis”, Bryan Fischer. Among other things, Fischer has expressed a rather unique point of view on the dangers posed by letting gay Americans serve in the military.

“Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews,” Fischer writes. “Gays in the military is an experiment that has been tried and found disastrously and tragically wanting.”

(The AFA is also engaged in a campaign to boycott Atlanta-based Home Depot for “taking sides in the homosexual culture war” and sponsoring “open displays of homosexual activism on main streets in America’s towns.” As Jim Galloway of the AJC points out, that may be one reason why Georgia. Gov. Nathan Deal has turned down Perry’s invitation to attend the rally).

Mike Bickle, director of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, is touted prominently as one of the national endorsers of Perry’s event. Bickle preaches an apocalyptic Christianity that foretells the pending rise of Harlot Babylon, a false and Satan-inspired religion.

“I believe that one of the main pastors of the Harlot movement — it’s not the Harlot movement yet — is Oprah,” Bickle preaches (see at 22:40 here). “She is winsome, she is kind, she is reasonable. She is utterly deceived,” and an unwitting agent of Satan.

And then there’s John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network in Oklahoma City. He has what you might call an odd take on the Statue of Liberty.

“You know where we got it from? French Freemasons. Listen, folks, that is an idol, a demonic idol, right there in the middle of New York Harbor.”

RightwingWatch.org has put together an interesting video starring Fischer and a few others whom Perry has embraced as national endorsers.

These religious leaders of course have every right to preach such beliefs, just as Perry has every right to welcome them to his event and give them a prominent role. I wish only the best for their prayer rally.

On the other hand, their fellow Americans also have every right to question how such such beliefs might be translated into government policy by top public officials, should they be given the opportunity to do so.

– Jay Bookman

847 comments Add your comment

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:20 pm

Question

Is that hate monger that Obama brought to bless his administration at the innaugural going to be there?

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

July 14th, 2011
3:21 pm

JAY:

I have an idea:

Why don’t they just recite Washington’s Inaugural prayer ?

“Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large.

And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.”

There …………….. problem fixed.

Common Sense

July 14th, 2011
3:24 pm

Just do not question anyone who was raised with a Marxist upbringing. We draw the line there.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

July 14th, 2011
3:24 pm

Hey, been gone all day but I see from the below thread that you prog. “lock-nut” libs. have your panties all in a wad over this budget thing.

Maybe your ruler, Barak Hussein Obama, has met his match.

Perry's Special Covered Dish Reward Get Together and Summer Revival Prayer Service Get Together

July 14th, 2011
3:27 pm

Onward Christian Soldier,

Marching off to War…

Oh, what, wait. I’m sorry. I just get so fired up when the Christian Conservative Charitable Forgiving Loving Blessed Holy Rolling Republican Rick’s Flared speaking starts. I just cannot help myself. I feel like the only thing missing are Jim and Tammy Faye telling me where to send all my money. When do we secede.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 14th, 2011
3:28 pm

“I wish only the best for their prayer rally.”

Yeah right!

Dave R.

July 14th, 2011
3:29 pm

OH GOODIE!

Another Republican I can bash.

That’s, like, three this week, Jay! :D

Lord Help Us

July 14th, 2011
3:30 pm

Jimmy Swaggart is not attending?

I ain’t goin….

Mr Right

July 14th, 2011
3:30 pm

Common Sense

July 14th, 2011
3:24 pm

Just do not question anyone who was raised with a Marxist upbringing. We draw the line there.

Nor do we dare question all the other questionable people in the Obama administration !

wet wiccan

July 14th, 2011
3:31 pm

I can’t help it. Whenever I hear Rick Perry, I automatically want to amend it to Rick “Good Hair” Perry, as Molly Ivins always called him.

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
3:31 pm

My Prayer, Dear Lord please help us from all the idiots in Washington. Amen!

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:31 pm

“We want the presence, power, and person of Christ to fill our nation and turn the hearts of millions to righteousness, peace, and joy in Him.”

I strongly suspect that were the Christ to come to fulfill that want, he’d have his work cut out for him with turning the hearts many of those who call him L-rd and Savior long before he could get to the nation as a geo-political unit.

jconservative

July 14th, 2011
3:32 pm

Perry is not for me. I vote Obama before Perry.

I consider Perry about an inch from a traitor for putting on the table taking Texas out of the union.
A traitor by any other name is a traitor.

Dave R.

July 14th, 2011
3:32 pm

I’m going to save my Rick Perry fire for later this evening, as I have errands to run.

Later!

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
3:33 pm

Granny, Might vote for him, I think she said that he could mow her lawn anyday. Probably even trim it also.

Jack

July 14th, 2011
3:33 pm

There’s one top official that wants us all to be charitable: that is, we should pay more taxes in order for half of our country’s population not to pay any tax at all.

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:33 pm

wiccan

Ah, for the days of Molly Ivins…G-d, I miss her…

Joe Cool~PRESIDENT Obama Tells CONs,"Don't Call My Bluff BI+CHES"

July 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

Thats some of the 700 Club mess!

Doesnt matter, no one in their right mind will vote for a CON from Texas after GWB!

jconservative

July 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

“We want the presence, power, and person of Christ…”

Why don’t he just go to church? I go to church and every time I feel the presence and person of Christ.

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

Rick Perry is HOT!
Nice shape all the way around.

(But his religious buds make Jeremiah Wright look pretty damn good don’t they? not to mention his ugly Texas deficit….Just another flavor of the month)

Doggone/GA

July 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

“Is that hate monger that Obama brought to bless his administration at the innaugural going to be there?”

I think so

Dave R.

July 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

“I consider Perry about an inch from a traitor for putting on the table taking Texas out of the union.”

Funny, that’s the only thing positive I think about Perry. ;)

And “traitor” is a very overused word by people who don’t know the meaning.

Patrick

July 14th, 2011
3:37 pm

Prayze Jeebus!!! Where do I buy my ticket?!?

Tommy Maddox

July 14th, 2011
3:37 pm

“On the other hand, their fellow Americans also have every right to question how such such beliefs might be translated into government policy by top public officials, should they be given the opportunity to do so.”

I guess the media’s avoidance of Jeremiah Wright was just an accident.

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

PP

You big silly!

I WOULD invite all the gals over to watch him mow the lawn shirtless in snug faded 501’s and serve mojitos….

But vote for him, hell no.

Message from Matti

July 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

Oh, this guy is running, to be sure. There’s no way a megalomaniac of this caliber could resist the chance to be the leader of the so-called free world (and make it a little less free, in the Holy Name of Jesus, Amen.) Tighten those seatbelts, and hang on, kids! This ride is going to get a whole lot weirder.

Doggone/GA

July 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

“Ah, for the days of Molly Ivins…G-d, I miss her”

AMEN!

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

Doggone

For real? Oh, well…

Joe Cool~PRESIDENT Obama Tells CONs,"Don't Call My Bluff BI+CHES"

July 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

Thought you were leaving Dave…..

Couldnt hold back huh :-)

Uncle Jed

July 14th, 2011
3:39 pm

On the other hand, their fellow Americans also have every right to question how such such beliefs might be translated into government policy by top public officials, should they be given the opportunity to do so.
++++++++++++++++++++++

My fellow Americans: please check out a candidate’s credentials; their past voting record; their political beliefs and philosophy; their constitutuional persuasion; and even their religious inclinations and sexual preference if you must; maybe even ask for proof of citizenship ;-) ; and if their wife is going to outlaw kid’s meals. But please do your checking BEFORE VOTING

This protocol will help our country avoid another repeat of this era, The Obama Error.
Reverend Wright, paging Reverend Wright.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

July 14th, 2011
3:39 pm

The Prayer Rally is old news. It was announced last week. It appears Jay believes that Perry will indeed enter the race.

King of All

July 14th, 2011
3:40 pm

I wonder if he will invite Jeremiah Wright to pray with them. He’s just pandering for vote like all other politicians. I also wonder if he speaks about these religious-nuts behind closed doors the same way Karl Rove does.

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:40 pm

Tommy honey

media avoidance of Rev Wright? What on Mars? Uranus?

we saw that 20 second loop a gozillion times everywhere.

Puh-Lease!

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

Doggone and wiccan…

Her and Ann Richards…Texas at its finest, imho.

Message from Matti

July 14th, 2011
3:42 pm

Dave R.,
I looked it up:

Definition of TRAITOR
1: one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2: one who commits treason
Examples of TRAITOR
Displeased with the results of the 2008 U.S. Presidential election, Texas Governor Rick Perry became a traitor when he suggested that Texas secede from the United States of America.

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:42 pm

Oh and for the record I like Rev Wright.

If you think God has rewarded America for it’s screw ups instead of damning it – you are just plain nuts.

Patrick

July 14th, 2011
3:42 pm

Will firearms be allowed at the meetin? The HOLY SPIRIT sometimes gets to me and makes me fire off a couple rounds into the air.

jasper

July 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

Yeah well, we questioned Jeremiah Wright too, and look where that got us. Can I get a white devil witness!!!

Uncle Jed

July 14th, 2011
3:45 pm

Rick Perry’s odd mix of church and state
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jay Bookman’s odd timing when changing sheets

Joe Cool~PRESIDENT Obama Tells CONs,"Don't Call My Bluff BI+CHES"

July 14th, 2011
3:46 pm

“Will firearms be allowed at the meetin? The HOLY SPIRIT sometimes gets to me and makes me fire off a couple rounds into the air.”

You must live in Walker County :-)

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
3:46 pm

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

Doggone and wiccan…

“Her and Ann Richards…Texas at its finest, imho.”

Josef, Ditto!

Jay

July 14th, 2011
3:46 pm

I’ll break a personal rule here to note that if Barack Obama ever asked God in public “to incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government,” the mass outbreak of fainting would make it look like a neutron bomb had exploded.

Thulsa Doom

July 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

I have no problem with any of that, although I do confess to some uneasiness with its sponsorship by a major political figure.- Jay

What in the hey? If that’s true Jay then you would be very uneasy with the founders of this nation who were for the most part deeply religious men. And apparently you do have a problem with it or else you wouldn’t be talking about it.

More troubling, however, is the list of religious leaders who have joined Perry as official sponsors or “endorsers” of the rally.- Jay

Good grief Jay. There were probably numerous religious leaders who joined as sponsors or endorsers. What is Perry supposed to do? Single out individual ones, disinvite and embarrass them because they have said some things that he and most Americans disagree with. Contrast that with Obama who had yet another race baiting minister bless his inauguration and whose church he attends in DC when he’s not golfing. He distances himself from a hatemonger like Rev. Wright only to start attending the church of another minister who has made anti- white racial remarks?

And while some of the ministers have some views that are outside the mainstream so what. Take the guy who is against gays in the military. Some of those remarks seem pretty wacky to me but there are a lot of people who don’t believe gays should serve. I personally have no problem with gays being allowed to serve- heck they already are. But I’m not going to demonize people who disagree with me on it.

Bud Wiser

July 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

Like the good little media stooge that he is, Bookman now goes after Rick Perry, who, last anyone checked, has not entered the Republican race for the nomination.

As long as you are in fantasy land, stooge, why not write about what a success Obama has been in economic policy (having quadrupled Bush’s debt figures in 1/4 the time), foreign policy (telling Israel how to conduct its own foreign policy when you have no fixed one of your own…or is it a share the land/share the wealth theory???), increasing job losses (also @ double the Bush numbers), the “it’s not a war” in Libya, and imminent debt default (walk out on discussions, “…you’d better not call my bluff…”).

Pavlov’s dog….see Republican, attack Republican, wag tail, get a doggie biscuit from Harry Reid.

Good boy Jay, good boy.

Joe Mama

July 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

I’m aware of who some of the organizers are (and I don’t care for them or their opinions), but I don’t see a problem with this. If a bunch of theists want to have a big huddle on a Saturday and pray / pass the hat / handle snakes / speak in tongues / listen to a sermon or whatever it is they have planned, that’s their lookout and they’re free to do it. So long as they aren’t trying to make this some kind of governmental thing, s’all right by this atheist.

I expect it’ll be hot, though, so I hope no one’s overcome by the heat and the sun. Maybe they can pray up some clouds.

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

Granny

“Oh and for the record I like Rev Wright.”

You would. The third commandment meaning little or nothing, eh?

“You shall not take the name of the L-rd your G-d in vain, for the L-rd will not hold him guiltless who takes H-s name in vain”

Stonethrower

July 14th, 2011
3:48 pm

Rev Cleflo and Rev Long are invited along with Rev Olsteen. Man, don’t let me anywhere near the collection plate!

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
3:48 pm

Granny Godzilla

” Oh and for the record I like Rev Wright.”

GG, Please tell us what you like about him, I’m just curious?

Uncle Jed

July 14th, 2011
3:50 pm

@ josef:

My reply to your ? is @ 3:26 below.

Later folks.

Joe Cool~PRESIDENT Obama Tells CONs,"Don't Call My Bluff BI+CHES"

July 14th, 2011
3:50 pm

Stonethrower

July 14th, 2011
3:48 pm
Rev Cleflo and Rev Long are invited along with Rev Olsteen. Man, don’t let me anywhere near the collection plate!

LOL…Make it rain!

arnold

July 14th, 2011
3:50 pm

Of course Rick Perry is going to run. And if he wins anything, he will invoke his religious beliefs on his constituants.

TGT

July 14th, 2011
3:50 pm

Why don’t they just recite Washington’s Inaugural prayer ?

Or they could use President John Adams’ March 23, 1798 national Fasting and Prayer proclamation:

“AS the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God; and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety, without which social happiness cannot exist, nor the blessings of a free government be enjoyed; and as this duty, at all times incumbent, is so especially in seasons of difficulty and of danger, when existing or threatening calamities, the just judgments of God against prevalent iniquity are a loud call to repentance and reformation; …Under these considerations it has appeared to me that the duty of imploring the mercy and benediction of Heaven on our country, demands at this time a special attention from its inhabitants.

“I HAVE therefore thought it fit to recommend, that Wednesday, the 9th day of May next be observed throughout the United States, as a day of Solemn Humiliation, Fasting and Prayer; That the citizens of these states, abstaining on that day from their customary worldly occupations, offer their devout addresses to the Father of Mercies, agreeably to those forms or methods which they have severally adopted as the most suitable and becoming: That all religious congregations do, with the deepest humility, acknowledge before GOD the manifold sins and transgressions with which we are justly chargeable as individuals and as a nation; beseeching him, at the same time, of his infinite Grace, through the Redeemer of the world, freely to remit all our offences, and to incline us, by his holy spirit, to that sincere repentance and reformation which may afford us reason to hope for his inestimable favor and heavenly benediction; That it be made the subject of particular and earnest supplication, that our country may be protected from all the dangers which threaten it; that our civil and religious privileges may be preserved inviolate, and perpetuated to the latest generations; that our public councils and magistrates may be especially enlightened and directed at this critical period; that the American people may be united in those bonds of amity and mutual confidence, and inspired with that vigor and fortitude by which they have in times past been so highly distinguished, and by which they have obtained such invaluable advantages: That the health of the inhabitants of our land may be preserved, and their agriculture, commerce, fisheries, arts and manufactures be blessed and prospered: That the principles of genuine piety and sound morality may influence the minds and govern the lives of every description of our citizens; and that the blessings of peace, freedom, and pure religion, may be speedily extended to all the nations of the earth.

“And finally I recommend, that on the said day; the duties of humiliation and prayer be accompanied by fervent Thanksgiving to the bestower of every good gift, not only for having hitherto protected and preserved the people of these United States in the independent enjoyment of their religious and civil freedom, but also for having prospered them in a wonderful progress of population, and for conferring on them many and great favours conducive to the happiness and prosperity of a nation.”

Patrick

July 14th, 2011
3:51 pm

This country needs a GOD FEARIN, BIBLE BANGIN, GUN TOTEN,BOOT WEARIN, TOUGH TALKIN, REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR FROM TEXAS fer President!!!

What could go wrong with that?!?!

Thulsa Doom

July 14th, 2011
3:51 pm

There’s no way a megalomaniac of this caliber could resist the chance to be the leader of the so-called free world – Matti

Obama already ran and won. And believe it or not he’s going to run for re-election despite his record in office.

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

Jay

” I’ll break a personal rule here to note that if Barack Obama ever asked God in public “to incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government,” the mass outbreak of fainting would make it look like a neutron bomb had exploded.”

Jay, First of all, what is the personal rule?

Second of all, if any politican asked it’s people to be subordinate & Obedient to Govt, they should be impeached.

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

Josef

I don’t think god damn what the commandment is talking about…

It’s about men who claim to be godly who say stuff like this

“Homosexuality gave us Adolph Hitler, and homosexuals in the military gave us the Brown Shirts, the Nazi war machine and six million dead Jews,”

or

““I believe that one of the main pastors of the Harlot movement — it’s not the Harlot movement yet — is Oprah,”

Now that’s using God’s name in vain. Truly.

Thulsa Doom

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

And if he wins anything, he will invoke his religious beliefs on his constituants.- arnold

And exactly how is he going to do that? Is he going to invoke through presidential decree that everyone go to church?

Brosephus

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

He’s not my governor. He’s not on my tax dime, or my tax time. I say whoop-de-doo…

People have been trying to blur the line between church and state for a long, long time. Just be careful, because you may end up getting what you ask for.

jasper

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

Jay, to your personal rule breaking, I think the lightning strike would trump the neutron bomb.

Jimmy62

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

Yeah, we happily elected a guy who is good pals with an unrepentant murdering terrorist and a racist preacher, not to mention a bunch of socialists, but someone being friends with people who don’t approve of gay marriage? That’s beyond the pale!

Jay’s selective outrage is a fine illustration of his extreme partisanship.

Joe Mama

July 14th, 2011
3:53 pm

Patrick — “What could go wrong with that?!?!”

I LOLed

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:54 pm

PP

Look for his sermon about

“love the way God made you”

That won me over.

George Carlin's Tales from the Scriptures

July 14th, 2011
3:54 pm

Ten Commandments! I thought there was just one.

arnold

July 14th, 2011
3:55 pm

I don’t understand the need to keep bringing religion into government. There are churches, sunday schools and your own home. Isn’t this enough? Why impose your beliefs on others?

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
3:55 pm

Jimmy62

murdering terrorist, racist preacher….and MARINE boo yah!

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:55 pm

I’m sorry, but this convocation may be fine and good and I’m certainly not opposed to it. But I AM opposed to a potential political candidate for the highest office in the land in charge of a secular state taking part in such. It stinks.

oldguy

July 14th, 2011
3:56 pm

Enter your comments hereAh Jay,
There you are, run from the other blob to get in a bit of Anti-religious bias???
Voters will be interested in one thing…. “Can he do for the US what he has done for Texas??”
And, of course, he will actually do something about the southern border!!!

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
3:57 pm

Granny, Sorry, but I don’t like Reverands jumping & screaming from the pulpit. I don’t like most religious preachers in general because they are mostly fakes.

I could list many of them and I think you know who they are. They need to stay out of politics and politicans need to quit using them for show & votes.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

July 14th, 2011
3:57 pm

Looks like Barak Hussein Obama is having a little trouble with his Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Chicago style extortionist thuggery regarding the budget.

Oh well ………………………

ByteMe

July 14th, 2011
3:58 pm

We want to see real change across our nation that only our God can perform

My God has more important things to do than worry about this. His God must not be very important.

Joe Mama

July 14th, 2011
3:58 pm

josef — “But I AM opposed to a potential political candidate for the highest office in the land in charge of a secular state taking part in such. It stinks.”

Perry’s just trying to out-jebus the competition. After all, he doesn’t have 23 kids.

josef

July 14th, 2011
3:59 pm

GRANNY

Calling on the A-lmighty to “damn” anyone, any time, any place is about as vain as mortal man can bet, imho. To do it from the pulpit of a Christian house of worship and apply that to the nation-state of one’s birth and citizenship is, well, I’m afraid that my own slathering denunciations of that would qualify me as the most fundamentalist…

stands for decibels

July 14th, 2011
3:59 pm

Is that hate monger that Obama brought to bless his administration at the innaugural

gotta wonder how many of the regulars thought Josef was talkin’ about Rev. G.D. Merka, here.

getalife

July 14th, 2011
4:00 pm

cons are not Christians.

They worship money.

George Carlin's Tales from the Scriptures

July 14th, 2011
4:00 pm

This country needs a GOD FEARIN, BIBLE BANGIN, GUN TOTEN,BOOT WEARIN, TOUGH TALKIN, REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR FROM TEXAS fer President!!!

What could go wrong with that?!?!

Are we into re-runs already.

Thulsa Doom

July 14th, 2011
4:00 pm

Truly a wonderful guy!

Which of these outrageous positions of his pastor and longtime spiritual advisor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, does Barack Obama endorse?

Obama and Wright, by contrast, have been intensely close for two decades: The Chicago minister married the Obamas, baptized their children and dedicated their house. He even provided the title of the senator’s book, “The Audacity of Hope.”

Now ABC News says it has reviewed dozens of Wright’s sermons – and found repeated public denunciations of America.

In response to media inquiries about the relationship, Obama has condemned some of Wright’s more incendiary remarks and sidestepped others by saying he wasn’t in church that day.

Sure buddy. You uh, ahem weren’t in church that day huh?

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That African-Americans should not say “God Bless America,” but rather “God damn America” for “killing innocent people”?

That 9/11 was a case of “America’s chickens coming home to roost”?

That Zionism has an element of “white racism”?

The one implied by his decision to make a pilgrimage to Libyan dictator Moammar Khadafy with Louis Farrakhan – a man Wright’s church has hailed for having “truly epitomized greatness”?

ray

July 14th, 2011
4:00 pm

yeah, that’s just what we need..another governor from TX…

George Carlin's Tales from the Scriptures

July 14th, 2011
4:01 pm

cons are not Christians.

They worship money.

I take it you haven’t seen the proposals for the new dollar bill.

Common Sense

July 14th, 2011
4:01 pm

The bad news for Barry is that “any” republican is increasing their lead against Obama in polls

PRINCETON, NJ — Registered voters by a significant margin now say they are more likely to vote for the “Republican Party’s candidate for president” than for President Barack Obama in the 2012 election, 47% to 39%. Preferences had been fairly evenly divided this year in this test of Obama’s re-election prospects.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148487/Republican-Candidate-Extends-Lead-Obama.aspx

Even the much hated W never fared so poorly.

Explains the overdrive Bookman has been in bashing “Any” republican candidate.

N-GA

July 14th, 2011
4:01 pm

Okay Paul – Watcha gonna do about this mess you got over there in Texas? Ya gotta stop it now, before it spreads like bird flu or something worse.

stands for decibels

July 14th, 2011
4:02 pm

Calling on the A-lmighty to “damn” anyone, any time, any place is about as vain as mortal man can bet, imho.

hmm. any more vain than calling on Him to bless America?

where does anyone get off doing that? I mean, as long as we’re being nitpicky here. (And that was the point of his “chickens coming home to roost” sermon, which I’m sure you’ve heard/read more of than just the offensive-sounding soundbite.)

oldguy

July 14th, 2011
4:02 pm

“OH my ….”
Oops Jay,
Almost said the banned “G” word.
Someone who actually believes in the ….. Oops almost said it AGAIN!!!
Of course if it was Allah or Budha or the great Methusila it would be OK. Just no Gword!!!

Brosephus

July 14th, 2011
4:02 pm

josef

I can see your point, but as of now, he’s not running for president. If he were to announce later, then I agree with you.

My question for the masses here is, if it were a gathering of Muslims, would there be the same enthusiasm for this event? If it were a gathering of Jews? That’s one of the reasons I love being American. We have the freedom to worship as we so choose, and our government will protect that right.

Granny Godzilla

July 14th, 2011
4:02 pm

joesh

i respect your opinion, just think you are wrong.

getalife

July 14th, 2011
4:03 pm

No more bushes.

Patrick

July 14th, 2011
4:03 pm

Joe Mama–Thanks :)

Bachman

July 14th, 2011
4:04 pm

Only a Democrat would ridicule me for raising 23 kids most of them foster children.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 14th, 2011
4:04 pm

Can he do for the US what he has done for Texas

Sure he can… He can screw up the rest of the country just like Texas. And it is ironic that as many time as we hear wingnuts and the such like Scout trash Rev Wright as Obama’s minister that we see the overlooking of the Bachmann, Palin and Perry religious nuttery by the same people. I do not condemn any of them for what someone may say in their presence (or even non-presence if they are unware) but these “fine” Republicnuts have silently condoned these actions by sharing the stage with them.

And the historical rewrite on the “founding fathers” as if they were one united group marching in lock step and share the same beliefs is a bunch of tripe and has been out in the sun wayyyyy too long.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

July 14th, 2011
4:05 pm

“To be a Christian without prayer is no more possible than to be alive without breathing.”

“The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when we will send to Congress and to state houses of our nation men who will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly with their God.”

“The acceptable year of the Lord is that year when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess the name of Jesus. And everywhere men will cry out, “Hallelujah, hallelujah! The kingdom of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever. Hallelujah, hallelujah!”

Jimmy Swaggart

NOT !

Martin Luther King, Jr. !

Jay

July 14th, 2011
4:06 pm

I see where Poison Pen is calling for the impeachment of George Washington. A little late, perhaps, but….

oldguy

July 14th, 2011
4:06 pm

Thats true Get,
I have a small shrine in my closet to the dollar bill !!!
Of course, because of Obozo it isn’t worth SH$$ now!!!

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
4:06 pm

Granny Godzilla

joesh

” i respect your opinion, just think you are wrong”

Granny, If you never believed anything in your entire life, believe this, JOSEF, is mostly right and you are mostly wrong.

Thulsa Doom

July 14th, 2011
4:07 pm

Why impose your beliefs on others?- arnold

And how again is Perry “imposing” his religious beliefs on others?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 14th, 2011
4:07 pm

correction — I said silently condoned….. sharing the stage is not silent…..

George Carlin's Tales from the Scriptures

July 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

gotta wonder how many of the regulars thought Josef was talkin’ about Rev. G.D. Merka, here.

Let us not forget the Reverended Paul Broun and his blessing of the door that was supposed to drive out the evil from Obama. Isn’t it great to have so many folks just looking out for us like that.

poison pen

July 14th, 2011
4:09 pm

Jay

“I see where Poison Pen is calling for the impeachment of George Washington. A little late, perhaps,” but….

Jay, Your the one whose always going back 100 or 200 years in history, and yes I would want anyone who said that to be impeached. Fortunately, I don’t live in the past, like you do.

oldguy

July 14th, 2011
4:10 pm

Yea, I would be awful if he were to bring jobs (1/2 of all new job in the US were in Texas) and a balanced budget to the US !!!
The horror !!!!!

josef

July 14th, 2011
4:10 pm

SFD
I see your argument, but most faiths DO have a prayer for G-d to watch over (bless) the state…they don’t for damning the state…

And that comment at the top was NOT preacher Wright, but his brother under the sheets of hatred, preacher Warren…

Thulsa Doom

July 14th, 2011
4:11 pm

Jay, Then I guess its too late to impeach any other previous president who also had deeply held religious beliefs.

Joe Mama

July 14th, 2011
4:11 pm

Bachman — “Only a Democrat would ridicule me for raising 23 kids most of them foster children.”

Who ridiculed you? I’m just pointing out that Perry doesn’t have the pro-family christer-cred that a woman with 23 kids has, so he’s got to do something to boost his image. Going full-bore fundy in a sports arena seems to be calculated to level that particular playing field.

BTW, learn to spell your own surname, lady.