In APS, ‘culture of fear, intimidation and retaliation’

“I expect the investigation to draw some troubling, no alarming, conclusions. It’s become clear that a segment of our staff chose to violate the trust that was placed in them. Let me be clear, there is simply no excuse for unethical behavior and no room in this district for unethical conduct.”

– Atlanta School Superintendent Beverly Hall
May, 2011

Today, Gov. Nathan Deal announced the conclusions of a state investigation into allegations of cheating by employees in the Atlanta public school system.  Thirty-eight principals — out of a total of 70 APS elementary and middle schools — were found to “responsible for, or directly involved in, cheating.”

This, in an organization in which, allegedly, there was “no excuse for unethical behavior and no room … for unethical conduct.”

A total of 178 district employees were found to have cheated, with 82 of those employees confessing. Six principals refused to be interviewed, citing the Fifth Amendment. According to Deal, “Many of those cases could lead to criminal prosecutions.”

Cheating on the state-mandated tests began as early as 2001, and according to an outline of the investigation released by the state, “there were warnings of cheating on CRCT as early as December 2005/January 2006. The warnings were clear and significant and were ignored.”

“A culture of fear, intimidation and retaliation existed in APS, which created a conspiracy of silence and and deniability with respect to to standardized test misconduct.”

I can’t help but recall an extended telephone conversation with Hall last year in which she took heated umbrage at my description of cheating in her district as “pervasive.” As it turns out, “pervasive” may have been too kind.

– Jay Bookman

259 comments Add your comment

professional skeptic

July 5th, 2011
12:11 pm

“Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants.”

Kudos to everyone involved in uncovering this mess.

Southern Comfort

July 5th, 2011
12:16 pm

I can’t help but recall an extended telephone conversation with Hall last year in which she took heated umbrage to my description of cheating as “pervasive.” As it turns out, “pervasive” may have been too kind.

I guess Penn State doesn’t teach that old saying “A hit dog will holler”. ;)

Logical Dude

July 5th, 2011
12:19 pm

Beverly Hall: Let me be clear, there is simply no excuse for unethical behavior and no room in this district for unethical conduct.”

Is the phrase “Let me be clear” overused nowadays? It seems to be quoted by the president quite often too.

Doggone/GA

July 5th, 2011
12:20 pm

“Is the phrase “Let me be clear” overused nowadays?”

Well, what she SAID was clear enough. That she didn’t actually follow through is a different issue.

Jay

July 5th, 2011
12:21 pm

Penn State didn’t teach that, SoCo, but my daddy did. In fact, he demonstrated it to me, and on me, from time to time.

(thanks Dad).

Joe Mama

July 5th, 2011
12:21 pm

Jay — “I can’t help but recall an extended telephone conversation with Hall last year in which she took heated umbrage at my description of cheating in her district as “pervasive.” As it turns out, “pervasive” may have been too kind.”

Indeed. This is horribly disappointing.

Investigate aggressively, prosecute vigorously where warranted and drop the hammer on those found to be guilty. There’s no excuse for this.

Soco — “I guess Penn State doesn’t teach that old saying “A hit dog will holler”.

I always heard it as ‘a stuck pig always squeals.’ ;)

Logical Dude

July 5th, 2011
12:22 pm

Now, when money is involved, and people learn to manipulate the money, they will break all sorts of rules.

Now if money wasn’t involved, then there would not have been the competition to “out-do” other schools by cheating. The whole reasons for the testing needs to be reviewed and the CRCT function.

I think funding should be reversed: More money to poorly performing schools and less money to high performing schools who evidently don’t need it.

Adam

July 5th, 2011
12:22 pm

All politics is local! Or something. I guess in this case though, I don’t really have much to say, except to ask if anyone can point out some district somewhere that is doing it RIGHT when it comes to education, and if that policy can be applied to most other areas.

Doggone/GA

July 5th, 2011
12:24 pm

“I think funding should be reversed: More money to poorly performing schools and less money to high performing schools who evidently don’t need it”

Thus ensuring that school have NO incentive to improve. I think a better system would be to mandate that every school system has to spend the same amount of money on each pupil, statewide, and stop using property taxes to fund schools. Using property taxes only makes it certain that poorer areas get less money to spend on schools.

Adam

July 5th, 2011
12:25 pm

“Let me be clear” is something that NEEDS to be said since politicians get misquoted or soundbyted often to the bias of the reporting intent.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
12:25 pm

Any time I hear “Let me be clear” being used, I harken back to the days of one Richard M. Nixon, who frequently used the term, “Let me be perfectly clear”.

And how’d THAT work out for us?

Grasshopper

July 5th, 2011
12:25 pm

Does Hall have to give back her ‘Superintendant of the Year’ trophy now?

josef

July 5th, 2011
12:26 pm

“A culture of fear, intimidation and retaliation existed in APS, which created a conspiracy of silence and and deniability…”

And that culture will remain just as strong, if not stronger, following this…

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
12:27 pm

“I think a better system would be to mandate that every school system has to spend the same amount of money on each pupil, statewide, and stop using property taxes to fund schools.”

Why don’t you just say “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” and be done with it?

BADA BING

July 5th, 2011
12:28 pm

She won National Supt. of the Year, 2009. Are they going to award the title to the runner up now? They probably deserve it.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
12:28 pm

Hey, josef!

Are we going to see you take a “perp walk”? ;)

Southern Comfort

July 5th, 2011
12:29 pm

Jay

I think all parents have taught that lesson using the same technique. I was a slow learner, so I got more than my fair share of that lesson.

Joe M

It works the same way. In some form, there will be an animal making noise. :)

BADA BING

July 5th, 2011
12:29 pm

When you hear the words “Let me be clear”, or “OK, I am going to tell you the truth”, the next words out of their mouth will be lies.

mm

July 5th, 2011
12:30 pm

NCLB The gift that keeps on giving.

always right

July 5th, 2011
12:30 pm

You had to know for a long time that a lot of things weren”t right at APS.. Kids that have a school diploma and can”t even fill out a job application properly should have been 1 of the biggest indicator

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
12:31 pm

“In some form, there will be an animal making noise. :)

I remember that old joke about teaching an elephant to shake their head “NO” . . .

josef

July 5th, 2011
12:31 pm

DAVE

Not me! I’m known for being a stickler on the testing procedures…to the point of “offending” the watchdogs who tried to come on my hallway without proper identification! :-)

josef

July 5th, 2011
12:33 pm

Brosephus

Big Mama never learned Granny’s lesson: “When I ask a second person pronoun question, I want a first person pronoun answer, not a third person…” :-)

@@

July 5th, 2011
12:34 pm

USinUK:

employers are fined up to £10K PER ILLEGAL

And to date, they’ve collected how much?

20%…that $10M of the $50M owed.

==================================

Thirty-eight principals — out of a total of 70 APS elementary and middle schools — were found to “responsible for, or directly involved in, cheating.”

In other words, less than half of the APS principals really gave a damn about the future of inner-city kids.

A total of 178 district employees were found to have cheated, with 82 of those employees confessing. Six principals refused to be interviewed, citing the Fifth Amendment. According to Deal, “Many of those cases could lead to criminal prosecutions.”

Pervasive, indeed!

I wonder if jay was buying what Hall was selling at the time of her “heated umbrage”? Did she call him a racist for simply asking the question?

Southern Comfort

July 5th, 2011
12:36 pm

Dave

LOL!!!

josef

That was one that took me a while to learn too. It wasn’t phrased in that manner, but that lesson usually led into the hit dog one.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 5th, 2011
12:36 pm

Well, if this don’t call for the Death Penalty I don’t know what does. She hoodwinked us. Just as we was patting ourself on the back for figuring out that threatening and punishment was all that was needed to get our schools back on track, and just as we watched the test scores go up because we cracked the whip, they was cheating us like a common swindler. I want them all lined up at the prison door down in Jackson. I want some of them to get the needle. Now I got to say I’ll be missing reading josef’s posts, but he was part of this mess and he’s got to pay too.

How dare they turn the tables on us! To quote a Great President, even if he was a bit of a RINO, this will not stand!

Lunch time everybody. Beans and weenies.

Paulo977

July 5th, 2011
12:37 pm

Time for an investigation into the ‘HIDDEN AGENDA ‘ for Standardized Testing!!!

Jay

July 5th, 2011
12:38 pm

Josef, I see where one of the 2 candidates to replace Hall is a fellow export of the Magnolia State.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
12:41 pm

They should appoint josef their new superintendent.

He’ll straighten them out! :D

Billybob

July 5th, 2011
12:43 pm

Living in the atl for 25 years…….this is par for the course for atlanta for the last 3 decades…..not surprising at all based on the people that get voted and appointed into power positions here……

AmVet

July 5th, 2011
12:43 pm

What a travesty.

Compounded by a reprehensible “honor among thieves” mentality.

And these people are thieves for stealing the education of thousands of children.

Heads should roll and they should never be allowed near students of any kind, ever again…

TM

July 5th, 2011
12:43 pm

How much money did Hall defraud the school system of by taking bonuses theat were tied to increasing the test scores?

josef

July 5th, 2011
12:44 pm

JAY

Who and from where? The last one they brought in from over there sure wasn’t worth the powder it would have taken to blow him to hell (or Portland.. :-) )

DAVE

Evidently I’m qualified…don’t know nothing and full of myself…

@@

July 5th, 2011
12:46 pm

josef:

I spent yesterday with a couple whose child attends school in your district (very possibly your school). I asked them if they were concerned. The Mom’s response? “No…ours is an excellent school” to which I replied:

“Unfortunately they’ll share the consequences with those who didn’t strive for excellence.”

Sad.

Doggone/GA

July 5th, 2011
12:46 pm

“don’t know nothing ”

double negative…wouldn’t that mean you know everything? ;-)

josef

July 5th, 2011
12:50 pm

Doggone…

Oh, I DO know everything…

See, I’m Nobody.
Nobody knows everything.
Therefore, I know everything!

@@
Which is why I am so bent out of shape about all this…

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
12:51 pm

Okay, enough with the local scandal. Here is a national story of general interest:

No recession for Obama’s 454 White House aides: They’ll make $37,121,463 this year
July 5, 2011 | 4:14 am

In his numerous fund-raising and policy speeches around the country these days, President Obama often bemoans the difficult economic times and uncertainties afflicting millions of Americans, including the nearly 14 million still seeking work unsuccessfully.

The Democrat argues that his administration needs more time to straighten out the economic mess left by somebody else, who’s been gone almost 900 days now.

But good news this morning: The challenging Obama era and 9.1% national unemployment rate do not include the 454 people now helping President Obama do presidential things.

This crowd is being paid a total of $37,121,463 this year. That’s up seven staff members and nearly $4 million from 2008, the last year of George W. Bush’s presidency.

Fully 141 Obama aides — or nearly one-in-three — earn more than $100,000 a year. That’s also up from the 130 with that scale salary in Bush’s last year.

Twenty-one Obama aides earn the top-dollar $172,200.

The staff names and salaries report, required annually by Congress, was released on Friday by the White House. The timing, however, was probably an accident because last Friday most Americans were not watching the news closely and were thinking of not working for a three-day holiday weekend.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/obama-white-house-salaries-soar.html

Jay

July 5th, 2011
12:52 pm

“Bonita Coleman-Potter, deputy superintendent of Prince George’s County Public Schools in Maryland

Coleman-Potter, 43, had spent nearly her whole life in Jackson, Miss., when in 2009 she accepted a job in Prince George’s County as deputy superintendent of schools. It was a big change, but one foreshadowed months earlier when she got as far as finalist to lead Louisiana’s East Baton Rouge Parish schools. A onetime middle school teacher, she has described her management style as hands-on — a key detail, given that Atlanta Public Schools employees and residents have said they want a hands-on, professional educator who spent more time on campus than in an office and who paid attention to details. Coleman-Potter is a 2008 graduate of the Broad Superintendents Academy.”

AmVet

July 5th, 2011
12:54 pm

“Broad Superintendents Academy.”

Sounds sexist. Or perhaps it is just for heavy academicians. (grin)

USinUK

July 5th, 2011
12:55 pm

“Fully 141 Obama aides — or nearly one-in-three — earn more than $100,000 a year. That’s also up from the 130 with that scale salary in Bush’s last year.”

seriously? 11 more people make over 100K and it’s taken 3 years to get there.

this is what passes for poutrage these days???!!!

(oh, and, take it from one who has lived in DC and who knows folks who have worked in the West Wing – 1) DC is easily twice as expensive as ATL and 2) they work about 80 hours/week)

Jay

July 5th, 2011
12:59 pm

And USinUK, it’s amusing to see people fainting in outrage at news that the folks running our government make $172,000 a year; meanwhile, those same people celebrate CEOs who pull down $50 million.

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:00 pm

1) DC is easily twice as expensive as ATL and 2) they work about 80 hours/week)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So what? How about NYC or SF? Logging 80 hours a week is not impressive as quantity does not necessarily equate to quality. Prehaps we would be better off if they only worked 20 hours ;-)

godless heathen

July 5th, 2011
1:01 pm

2) they work about 80 hours/week)

Considering the results, I’d say they need to work less.

Tommy Maddox

July 5th, 2011
1:01 pm

Well, I hope a few heads roll on this one.

I feel bad for all the kids getting jipped in so many ways and the taxpayers having to shell out for this kind of treatment.

Joe Mama

July 5th, 2011
1:02 pm

USinUK — “DC is easily twice as expensive as ATL”

Word. I worked there for about a year and a half, roughly 10 years ago, and it was *definitely* much more costly than down here. Housing was so steep that I was actually able to get a long-term deal on a room in an extended-stay hotel (one of the Marriott kinds) *cheaper* than I could have gotten an apartment with a breakable lease.

The longer you stay in those places, the cheaper the per-night rate is (up to a point), and after 90 days, they stop charging you tax and they rebate the taxes you’ve already paid on the room. It actually worked out to be cheaper to keep the room the whole time instead of checking in and out on weekends to fly home, so I just treated the place as a furnished apartment.

Still a hotel room being cheaper than an apartment should tell you something about the cost of living in DC.

USinUK

July 5th, 2011
1:02 pm

Jay – 12:59 –

because, evidently those people “work” while folks in gummint don’t.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/with-executive-pay-rich-pull-away-from-rest-of-america/2011/06/13/AGKG9jaH_story.html

one of the best things I’ve read in ages

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:03 pm

folks running our government make $172,000 a year;
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Public servants creating zero revenue…

Dusty

July 5th, 2011
1:03 pm

hmmJOSEF, I’ve been wondering what was wrong. You haven’t been yourself!! Or is that good?
(I’m thinking Edgar Lee Masters might have something suitable at this point.)

USinUK

July 5th, 2011
1:04 pm

Uncle Jed – “Logging 80 hours a week is not impressive as quantity does not necessarily equate to quality. ”

only if we can use those same standards in the corporate world with CEO pay

Adam

July 5th, 2011
1:04 pm

Jay: it’s amusing to see people fainting in outrage at news that the folks running our government make $172,000 a year

WEALTH ENVY!

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:06 pm

only if we can use those same standards in the corporate world with CEO pay
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The shareholders take care of this little detail.

MrLiberty

July 5th, 2011
1:06 pm

Why does any parent bow down and worship the state education appartus at all?? Every parent with a child of school age should be screaming at the top of their lungs for the complete and total dismantling of the government education apparatus. It has been failing children, wasting money, and dumbing down kids for nearly 100 years in its present incarnation. It is a complete failure by any measure. And yet the worship continues and most will actually believe that REAL change will happen as a result of these reports. Suckers.

josef

July 5th, 2011
1:07 pm

JAY

Don’t know much about her. Will have to get with folks back home and see what they say. I would be interested in knowing which middle school she taught in and when and what…she went to Tougaloo and that’s a point in her favor IMHO but then she did her PhD at JSU which is a point against her IMHO…

AmVet

July 5th, 2011
1:08 pm

“The shareholders take care of this little detail.”

LOLOLOLOLOLOL…

Jack

July 5th, 2011
1:08 pm

I notice there’s not too much liberal braying about this development.

Grasshopper

July 5th, 2011
1:08 pm

CEO’s are not public emloyees John.

Coleman-Potter? I have learned to be suspicious of anyone with a hyphenated last name. It usually preceeds severe haughtiness.

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:08 pm

WEALTH ENVY!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Outrage comes to mind.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:08 pm

“it’s amusing to see people fainting in outrage at news that the folks running our government make $172,000 a year; meanwhile, those same people celebrate CEOs who pull down $50 million.”

Of course, those CEOs actually take our money voluntarily, and with no consequences if we do not pay them.

Hope & Putt’s ™ people?

Not so much.

Jay

July 5th, 2011
1:09 pm

“The shareholders take care of this little detail.”

No, Uncle Jed, they don’t. Shareholders don’t get to vote on executive compensation, and the executives are working very very hard to ensure it stays that way.

USinUK

July 5th, 2011
1:10 pm

“The shareholders take care of this little detail.”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

laugh flippin RIOT

Peter

July 5th, 2011
1:10 pm

38 Principals have been caught cheating……WOW…..

Now fine all of them………. OR fire and fine all of them !

Bosch

July 5th, 2011
1:12 pm

““The shareholders take care of this little detail.”

Yeah, as a shareholder in Southern Company now, I get to make so many decisions about CEO pay….wait a minute…..

Adam

July 5th, 2011
1:12 pm

Uncle Jed: The shareholders take care of this little detail.

That is almost like a “Caption This!” Here are some alternatives to your line:

“It’s best not to worry about such minutia…”
“These are not the droids you’re looking for”
“All is well…. ALL IS WELL!”

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:12 pm

“it’s amusing to see people fainting in outrage at news that the folks running our government make $172,000 a year; meanwhile, those same people celebrate CEOs who pull down $50 million.”

Oh, and we call this a “deflection” in the business.

When you can’t defend it, deflect, deflect, deflect!

Doggone/GA

July 5th, 2011
1:13 pm

“That is almost like a “Caption This!” Here are some alternatives to your line”

How about: pay no attention to the guy behind the curtain

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:13 pm

No, Uncle Jed, they don’t.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, Jay, they actually do, ultimately. We shareholders vote with our ownership elections and some shareholders do indeed vote in blocks large enough to impact executive decisions. I don’t doubt you that some execs work hard to preserve their pay, both directly and indirectly.

But we digress; the real point is that DC staffers make way too much as public servants.

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:15 pm

Yeah, as a shareholder in Southern Company now
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Still holding onto that share your parents gave you for Christmas? ;-)

Adam

July 5th, 2011
1:15 pm

Doggone: Good one! I wonder if anyone else has some good ones :)

Joe Mama

July 5th, 2011
1:16 pm

Uncle Jed — “The shareholders take care of this little detail.”

Only in the sense that large institututional investors are also shareholders and simply defer the decision to the board of directors. Individual shareholders generally hold only a small fraction of any given corporation’s voting shares.

USinUK

July 5th, 2011
1:16 pm

Uncle Jed – “Yes, Jay, they actually do, ultimately”

no, they really don’t.

CEO remuneration is decided by the boards, NOT the shareholders

and who runs the boards?? way-hey! it’s the CEOs!!!

funny how that works.

oh, and welcome to the real world.

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:18 pm

Individual shareholders generally hold only a small fraction of any given corporation’s voting shares.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thanks, Joe, but then I actually understood that concept before your help arrived. ;-)

Disgusted

July 5th, 2011
1:19 pm

I suppose those people who line up or their flu shots every year would be perfectly content with the idea that the physicians and epidemiologists who decide the components of the shots are making $172,000 per year. Only a complete, bitter loser would grumble about such pay for the White House people who literally make the decisions and provide the advice that decide the fate of the country. And the biggest loser of all, IMHO, is Dave R., a bitter, defeated politician who has taken it upon himself to be the fount of all wisdom.

AmVet

July 5th, 2011
1:20 pm

Jed’s statement is illustrative o fjus thow little most people know or care about the American Corporatocracy..

Shareholders have virtually no say whatsoever in corporate governance.

Ironic, isn’t it? Since they are the ones who actually own it.

Shareholder authorization should be required for top executive compensation packages at each annual shareholder meeting. Stock options, which now account for about half of the executive compensation, should be counted on financial statements as an expense (which they are). Tax deductions for compensation 25 times above the compensation received by the lowest paid worker in a corporation should be eliminated.

Joe Mama

July 5th, 2011
1:20 pm

Uncle Jed — “Thanks, Joe, but then I actually understood that concept before your help arrived.”

Well, then, if you understood that concept, then why’d you posit that shareholders would address the inequities posed by large CEO-worker pay differentials?

Perhaps you could elaborate a bit and help me understand your position better.

Rightwing Troll

July 5th, 2011
1:21 pm

“Kudos to everyone involved in uncovering this mess.”

Couple points to make:

Jay’s merry band of con trolls, wingnuts, and tea tards have been cheering for the demise of that libural rag the AJC for years, had thier wishes and dreams come true this scandal may never have seen the light of day.

Nathan Deal preaching to us about “ethics”? Really…? And you nuts buy this?… Well of course you do, you elected him…

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:22 pm

CEO remuneration is decided by the boards, NOT the shareholders

and who runs the boards??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Have you ever served on a BOD’s and also been a significant shareholder? I have, and for a respectably sized banking entity. We absolutely controlled the budget eventhough sometimes our CEO was at odds. So, there are examples cutting both ways.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:23 pm

Disgusted, I am NOT bitter. Relieved to no longer be an elected official, in fact. The voters did me a huge favor – twice – by electing me and not re-electing me.

But thanks for pointing out my wisdom! :D

You finally got SOMETHING right!

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:26 pm

large CEO
++++++++++++++

Not my distinction.

Logical Dude

July 5th, 2011
1:27 pm

Dave: The voters did me a huge favor – twice – by electing me and not re-electing me

Thank you for your service (even though I may not have been in your district). Even though we don’t agree on a lot of things, I respect anyone who runs for and attains office. It can’t be easy!

now I”m not sure how this thread went from education to executive compensation, so I’ll just watch a while longer. :)

Gator Joe

July 5th, 2011
1:27 pm

Jay,
Funding for public education is woefully indadequate, and more cuts are continuing.
Enter the politicians who want standardized testing to be the only measure of wether students are learning, or not. Limited and shrinking resources for teachers and principals combined with a dubious method of measuring success or failure and you’re shocked cheating is going on? It happens everywhere this combination exists.

deegee

July 5th, 2011
1:28 pm

I like the line in the report that says the cheating is being caused by pressure to meet thresholds in a data driven environment. I work in private industry and I see the same thing. Gone are the days where your manager actually knew what you were doing and had the leeway to evaluate you on some intangible qualities that give you an edge in the workplace. It’s all about meeting whatever metrics that HR determines are relevant to your job performance. Your manager doesn’t care how you meet the metrics because his/her job performance depends on how well you meet the metrics. And so it goes, all the way up the line. The reason for all of this is that CEO bonuses hinge on meeting specific goals defined by the board of directors. You can’t pay a CEO on something intangible like high employee morale or good customer relations. It has to be metrics driven so that you can assign a dollar value. This whole country is going to the dogs because of a lack of vision on the part of the people that are leading and a malaise on the part of the people being led.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:29 pm

Since this thread has already worn down (APS issues don’t last long), I figured I’d throw this out for consideration, as it will surely kink a few colons of those on the pro-government intervention side of things.

Seems the truth about what REALLY caused this recession is beginning to come out, and it nicely dovetails with what I’ve said for years:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/burning-down-the-house/2011/06/30/AGeRSGuH_story.html

I can’t wait to read THIS book.

DebbieDoRight

July 5th, 2011
1:31 pm

I’m of a differing opinion on this. I don’t place the full blame on the APS — it should be shared hand in hand with the Georgia Board of Education and NCLB. A lot of teachers are being encouraged to “teach the test” in order to make the test scores come out better. So you have children who learn the “answers” to the test, but not how to correctly come by the answers to a problem.

Case in point – Went to JoAnn’s Fabric the other day, my sister and I wanted to buy some material to make some curtains and a bedspread w/shams. We needed 4 yards of one fabric (at 2.99/yd); 30 yards of another fabric (at $12/yd) and for the actual bedspread we needed a good 10-12 yards of cloth at $5.99/yd. The clerk didn’t know how to cut the correct yardage for the fabric, nor how to add up how much we owed, (plus 6% tax); because her computer/register were down, (i can’t think of what you call that computerized thingy they use to measure with).

My sister, who was DOD educated along with me, rolled her eyes and was astonished. We thought that this was simple mathematics, but to the clerk, it was like we were asking her to do quantum physics or something.

APS will probably not only be the only school caught in a web of lies — judging by the calibre of some of the people we’re seeing now in the workforce, expect a lot more schools to be “caught” in a web of lies.

md

July 5th, 2011
1:33 pm

Just part of the Culture of Hope………can’t get the freebies unless the grades a fudged……..don’t want to upset the masses by not giving the freebies to those that don’t cut it……….must have started about the same time we started giving trophies to all the losers……………

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:33 pm

“You can’t pay a CEO on something intangible like high employee morale or good customer relations.”

deegee, yes you can, if you have a way to measure those as one corporation I worked for did. Everyone of us was rated from the top-down on customer satisfaction and employee satisfaction surveys.

carlosgvv

July 5th, 2011
1:34 pm

It will be interesting to see if a majority of those implicated in this cheating scandal are African-American. If that is the case, you may be sure that cries of “racism” will soon be heard and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will be here to stir up even more trouble.

Uncle Jed

July 5th, 2011
1:36 pm

now I”m not sure how this thread went from education to executive compensation,
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LD- It’s all an education;-) The problem is that those creating the topics and framing the daily conversations conveniently choose to try to focus the attention in areas serving their interests and sometimes to the exclusion of the interest-at-large. I choose to use the forums available to me to spread information not addressed by those pulling the levers (from behind the curtain;-) ).
[The last part there was for my pal, Doggone;-)]

Out for the afternoon. Whack away accordingly :-) :-)

Jay

July 5th, 2011
1:36 pm

We don’t need Al or Jesse — you’re already making it racial, Carlos.

DebbieDoRight

July 5th, 2011
1:37 pm

DAve R: Seems the truth about what REALLY caused this recession is beginning to come out, and it nicely dovetails with what I’ve said for years

You mean DaveR you’re agreeing with someone’s OPINION? You never agreed with any of Jay’s! :roll:

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:38 pm

Thanks, Logical Dude. It was fun at times, rewarding on rare occasions, but certainly frustrating as hell in trying to deal with people who professed one thing, and voted another.

DebbieDoRight

July 5th, 2011
1:39 pm

I like the line in the report that says the cheating is being caused by pressure to meet thresholds in a data driven environment.

My point exactly.

godless heathen

July 5th, 2011
1:41 pm

“We needed 4 yards of one fabric (at 2.99/yd); 30 yards of another fabric (at $12/yd) and for the actual bedspread we needed a good 10-12 yards of cloth at $5.99/yd.”

I hate word problems.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:41 pm

“You mean DaveR you’re agreeing with someone’s OPINION? You never agreed with any of Jay’s! ”

Debbie, I ALWAYS agree with opinion based on facts.

Which pretty much addresses both of your sentences, as well ! ;)

But as I said, I’m still waiting to read the book to see how thoroughly this was researched.

Paul

July 5th, 2011
1:42 pm

I read this and wondered what comes next – how will teacher performance and effectiveness be measured?

It then occurred there are plenty of school districts that use test results as one factor in rating teacher effectiveness. Of a couple districts with which I’m familiar, teacher involvement in cheating leads to termination. Period. So will keeping quiet about cheating by others.

The first step in changing the culture at APS is to get rid of the guilty. And hopefully promote from within to fill vacancies.

Paul

July 5th, 2011
1:44 pm

godless

“I hate word problems.”

Yeah, and teachers never appreciated the creativity of an answer like “just go to Sears and buy the bedspread.”

Schrodinger's cat

July 5th, 2011
1:44 pm

“I like the line in the report that says the cheating is being caused by pressure to meet thresholds in a data driven environment.

My point exactly.”

AS in a cop out?

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:45 pm

Debbie, I’m still floored at what fabric you need that costs $12/yd . . .

Holy crap! :D

USinUK

July 5th, 2011
1:45 pm

godless 1:41 – how fast were the fabrics going on their way to Chicago?

Thulsa Doom

July 5th, 2011
1:46 pm

Only a complete, bitter loser would grumble about such pay for the White House people who literally make the decisions and provide the advice that decide the fate of the country.- Disgusted

Judging by the decisions and the advice they have made that decide the fate of the country I would say these clowns need to be paid zero given their poor job performance.

Dave R.

July 5th, 2011
1:47 pm

“Yeah, and teachers never appreciated the creativity of an answer like “just go to Sears and buy the bedspread.”

Paul, :lol:

Although I would have added the word “frikkin” before “bedspread”. ;)