Obama: Should everyone sacrifice but the rich?

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In his press conference today, President Obama acknowledged that our financial situation “means we have to tackle entitlements, as long as we keep faith with seniors and children with disabilities by maintaining the fundamental security that Medicare and Medicaid provide.”

But here’s the kernel of his comments:

“It would be nice if we could keep every tax break there is. But we’ve got to make some tough choices here if we want to reduce our deficit. If we choose to keep those tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, if we choose to keep a tax break for corporate jet owners, if we choose to keep tax breaks for oil and gas companies that are making hundreds of billions of dollars, then that means we’ve got to cut some kids off from getting a college scholarship. That means we’ve got to stop funding certain grants for medical research. That means that food safety may be compromised. That means that Medicare has to bear a greater part of the burden. Those are the choices that we have to make.

So the bottom line is this: Any agreement to reduce our deficit is going to require tough decisions and balanced solutions. And before we ask our seniors to pay more for health care, before we cut our children’s education, before we sacrifice our commitment to the research and innovation that will help create more jobs in the economy, I think it’s only fair to ask an oil company or corporate jet owner who has done so well to give up that tax break that no other business enjoys.  I don’t think that’s real radical. I think the majority of Americans agree with that….

I think that what we’ve seen in negotiations here in Washington is a lot of people say a lot of things to satisfy their base or to get on cable news, but that, hopefully, leaders at a certain point rise to the occasion and they do the right thing for the American people. And that’s what I expect to happen this time. Call me naive, but my expectation is, leaders are going to lead.

Now I just want to be clear about what’s at stake here: Republicans say they want to reduce the deficit. Every single observer who’s not an elected official, who’s not a politician, says we can’t reduce our deficit in the scale and scope that we need to, without having a balanced approach that looks at everything.

Democrats have to accept some painful spending cuts that hurt some of our constituencies and we may not like it, and we’ve shown a willingness to do that for the greater good, to say there are good programs that are nice to have but we can’t afford them right now. I as the commander in chief have to have difficult conversations with the Pentagon saying you know what, there’s fat here, we’re going to have to trim it out.

…. the question is, if everyone else is willing to do the tough things and take on their sacred cows and do tough things in order to achieve the goal of real deficit reduction, then I think it would be hard for the Republicans to stand there and say that the tax break for corporate jets is sufficiently important that we’re not willing to come to the table and get a deal done. Or we’re so concerned about oil and gas subsidies for oil companies that are making money hand over fist — that’s the reason we’re not going to come to a deal. I don’t think that’s a sustainable position.”

I don’t think that position is sustainable either. However, the key to ensuring that it is not sustainable is to keep explaining, clearly and forthrightly, what the Republican position really is.

The president did a good job in laying out the facts today. He has to do an equally good job tomorrow, and the next day. The message is accurate, honest, convincing and important. It just has to be communicated.

– Jay Bookman

558 comments Add your comment

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2011
4:15 pm

“The message is accurate, honest, convincing and important. It just has to be communicated.”

And pay NO ATTENTION to those who are so selfish they don’t want to even HEAR that message.

kitty

June 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

I will take the GOP seriously on cuts when they do go after defense and actually realize taxes must go up as well and not just on the middle class. We tried the tax cut route and it does not trickle down. Time has shown that. WHere are the jobs from the Bush cuts?

Where's My Party?

June 29th, 2011
4:18 pm

The other half is what are the Democrats willing to give up? Lots of speak on

A great paragraph.
“I think that what we’ve seen in negotiations here in Washington is a lot of people say a lot of things to satisfy their base or to get on cable news, but that, hopefully, leaders at a certain point rise to the occasion and they do the right thing for the American people. And that’s what I expect to happen this time. Call me naive, but my expectation is, leaders are going to lead.”

Followed by a laughable one.
“Democrats have to accept some painful spending cuts that hurt some of our constituencies and we may not like it, and we’ve shown a willingness to do that for the greater good, to say there are good programs that are nice to have but we can’t afford them right now.”

Granny Godzilla

June 29th, 2011
4:21 pm

Well done Mr. President.

Well done indeed.

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
4:22 pm

Put out a call to the shovel brigade. Barry gave another speech.

Scott

June 29th, 2011
4:25 pm

More “shovel ready jobs” on its way. How is that recovery summer doing? What a joke. need to get rid of this idiot.

godless heathen

June 29th, 2011
4:26 pm

Corporate Jet owners like the Federal Government? No mention of sacrificing by high powered government officials.

CJ

June 29th, 2011
4:26 pm

Hear, hear Jay!

From what I’ve read, Dems are looking for a fraction of the revenue that they’ve conceded on the spending side…spending, I suspect, that is like to make his base very made.

Obama is being reasonable to the Republicans. They should take yes for an answer. As for the Dems, I hope Obama hasn’t crafted an agreement that demoralizes his base so much that they stay home during the 2012 election like they did during the 2010 election.

CJ

June 29th, 2011
4:27 pm

“like to make his base very made?” No. Likely to make his base very mad.

Gale

June 29th, 2011
4:28 pm

Not a bad speech. That is the one thing I think Obama does well; speak. In reality, that is all the president can do about the economy. It is Congress that appropriates money. The president can prod them, and I agree he does that according to his party’s position, but that is all he can do.

Midori

June 29th, 2011
4:30 pm

Uncle Jed and Scott – spoken like true losers.

godless heathen

June 29th, 2011
4:30 pm

All hat, no cattle.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 29th, 2011
4:31 pm

We tried the tax cut route and it does not trickle down.

Well, you got to give it some time. Maybe 40, 50 years. It’s trickling, you see, not running or gushing. If you give the rich people enough time to play with the tax cuts—maybe pay for a bulldozer or so to pile up the money—sooner or later they’ll get bored and start spending some of it. That’s when the trickle will start.

I’m one of them Optimists. Heck, I’ve been picked out to hold the bag for the snipe hunt five or six times. But you just can’t say the tax cuts won’t trickle down without giving them enough time.

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
4:33 pm

Obama: “I think that what we’ve seen in negotiations here in Washington is a lot of people say a lot of things to satisfy their base or to get on cable news,

Praise to Jesus!!! He didn’t say “folks”! Made my day. Now I now there’s real hope in the world.

but that, hopefully, leaders at a certain point rise to the occasion and they do the right thing for the American people. And that’s what I expect to happen this time. Call me naive, but my expectation is, leaders are going to lead.

Ok, I’ll do it:

Mr. President, you sure are naive!

Brosephus

June 29th, 2011
4:33 pm

Both sides need to piss or get off the pot. I’m tired of this crap. I posted this to Scott in reference to the stimulus and roads, but I think it will also fit into this topic…

“Neither party has done what is necessary for us to turn our country around. Somebody has to be the grown up and tell all the whiners to shut the f**k up and EVERYBODY has to help pay our way out of this crap.”

We should cut where cuts will not damage the economy or the country as a whole, and make people start paying for the crap they don’t want cut. If the Democratic Party wants to leave Medicaid and SS alone, then make Americans pay more for it. If the GOP wants to leave subsidies and tax deferrments/cuts alone, make America pay for them. I can guarandamntee you that once America has to start paying for all this sh*t, there will be a day of reckoning in the US, probably around the 1st Tuesday in November in any given year….

Scott

June 29th, 2011
4:34 pm

Midori…coming from you, somebody that voted this clown into power, it means exactly what his words mean….NOTHING!!!

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:36 pm

Godless, Jed, Scott

Is that all you got? is that all you can intelligently contribute to the conversation?

Obama laid things out precisely and clearly. And he’s right. Republicans cannot sustain their current position. I look for them to try and create, as many on here do, some “but look over here!” diversions to try and change the conversation to something else.

ByteMe

June 29th, 2011
4:36 pm

Remember that every speech by every politician is designed to have a certain effect.

Obama is aiming to sound like the adult in the room. That’s what he needs to do in the face of an opposition steeped in silliness and ridiculous demands. Sound like the adult and you win the independent middle that decides elections.

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
4:37 pm

I don’t think that position is sustainable either. However, the key to ensuring that it is not sustainable is to keep explaining, clearly and forthrightly, what the Republican position really is.

Exactly right. In other words. He can’t disappear into the background again for a few more months. The key to any discipline is reps.

ByteMe

June 29th, 2011
4:38 pm

Just remember folks: Republicans talked tough about the budget going into the 2010 elections and then TOTALLY CAVED after the elections were over on everything.

“This time it’s different.” :roll:

Peadawg

June 29th, 2011
4:38 pm

Very nice (campaign) speech, Obama.

Now on to this tidbit: “means we have to tackle entitlements, as long as we keep faith with seniors and children with disabilities by maintaining the fundamental security that Medicare and Medicaid provide.” – I take that as we tackle all entitlements EXCEPT the big 2. Great!!! :roll: I can’t take this guy seriously when he says stuff like this. I’ll take that as he doesn’t want to change/reform either of the entitlements and expects the wealthy to continue to fund the 2 programs in their current form.

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
4:38 pm

Midori

June 29th, 2011
4:30 pm
Uncle Jed and Scott – spoken like true losers.
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Well, I’m not authorized to speak on Scott’s behalf, but I believe I will go with Jay from downstairs:

“You don’t respond to lunacy.”

I’ll have to remember that.

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
4:39 pm

Scott enlightens us with: “Midori…coming from you, somebody that voted this clown into power, it means exactly what his words mean….NOTHING!!!”

This statement seems based on the delusional belief that the alternative to said ‘clown’ was not a ‘clown’. We won’t even talk about said ‘clown’’s accompanying act.

Where's My Party?

June 29th, 2011
4:40 pm

Did the President offer any specifics on what to cut during the speech or was it just a general “cut spending, including some entitlement programs”?

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
4:43 pm

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:36 pm
Godless, Jed, Scott

Is that all you got? is that all you can intelligently contribute to the conversation?

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Well, I haven’t heard back from Scott regarding authorization; I am a bit apprehensive to associate with anyone named Godless; so I guess, Alex, I will take Jay from downstairs again, for a thousand.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
4:43 pm

“The president did a good job in laying out the facts today. He has to do an equally good job tomorrow, and the next day. The message is accurate, honest, convincing and important. It just has to be communicated.”

What a load of utter tripe! (by you and Hope & Follow ™ )

From Hope & Follow ™ :

“that means we’ve got to cut some kids off from getting a college scholarship.”

Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.

“That means we’ve got to stop funding certain grants for medical research.”

Heaven forbid the private sector fund their own.

“That means that food safety may be compromised.”

The new Mediscare.

“That means that Medicare has to bear a greater part of the burden.”

The OLD Mediscare.

“And before we ask our seniors to pay more for health care,”

Continuing the old Mediscare.

“before we cut our children’s education,”

A LOCAL function of government.

“before we sacrifice our commitment to the research and innovation that will help create more jobs in the economy”

As if you were any good at doing so in your first 2 years . . .”

This guy is a walking, mouth-breathing nightmare. Worse yet, he’s one of the most transparent liars we’ve ever had in office:

“Democrats have to accept some painful spending cuts that hurt some of our constituencies and we may not like it, and we’ve shown a willingness to do that for the greater good, to say there are good programs that are nice to have but we can’t afford them right now.”

Willingness? As willing as being led to a gas chamber.

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:44 pm

Party,

What the president was saying is that we have tough choices to make, and then he laid them out. Simple math dictates that we can’t simply unspend our way out of this mess. We have to reduce our spending and increase our revenue. It’s simple, really.

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
4:45 pm

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
4:39 pm
Scott enlightens us with: “Midori…coming from you, somebody that voted this clown into power, it means exactly what his words mean….NOTHING!!!”

This statement seems based on the delusional belief that the alternative to said ‘clown’ was not a ‘clown’. We won’t even talk about said ‘clown’’s accompanying act.
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And that pinging sound was the nail being struck upon it’s head ;-)

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:46 pm

Jed,

So your answer is “yes”. That is all you can contribute. Thanks for the clarification.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
4:49 pm

“. . . hopefully, leaders at a certain point rise to the occasion and they do the right thing for the American people. And that’s what I expect to happen this time. Call me naive, but my expectation is, leaders are going to lead. ”

This classically inane quote comes from President Hope & Follow ™ . The very antithesis of a leader.

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
4:52 pm

Maybe we have enough taxation, thus revenue. Could redistribution, at least in the following manner, be why the majority of contributors feel that spending is where we first need reform?

by Mark Weaver
WMAL.com

FAIRFAX, Va. — Resort-style swimming pools with fountains and heated spas, billiards rooms, granite counter tops, ceramic tile, indoor basketball courts, stainless steel appliances — many Fairfax County taxpayers cannot afford such luxuries. But they are paying for these amenities for use by low-income residents who live in subsidized housing in affluent neighborhoods.

“They’re a part of our rental program where we subsidize the rents for the individuals in the units, and we end up having to pick up the condo fees,” supervisor Pat Herrity told 630 WMAL News.

Herrity does not advocate putting low-income residents in “ghetto-style” housing but he takes issue with taxpayers who cannot afford such luxuries being forced to pick up the tab for people who qualify for subsidized housing.

“These are resort-style amenities that the majority of the taxpayers that are subsidizing it don’t have on their own,” said Herrity, adding that “luxury has no place in subsidized housing.”

“If the occupants of these homes improve their lives financially, they will be forced to move out. And the housing they could afford without the taxpayer subsidy is well below the quality of these homes,” he said.

Herrity said Fairfax County should sell subsidized housing units located in affluent neighborhoods and stop paying the condo fees.

“Why would we have taxpayers who are trying to work their way into these neighborhoods pay for somebody else to be put into these neighborhoods,” said Herrity.

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:52 pm

I have yet to hear anybody on here adequately or even remotely argue against the points the President laid out. Not one single credible argument. Not one.

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
4:54 pm

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:46 pm
Jed,

So your answer is “yes”. That is all you can contribute. Thanks for the clarification.
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You seem to be itching…try cortisone, or soak it in a warm tub with epsom salts ;-)

Scott

June 29th, 2011
4:55 pm

Brosephus….and my contention about the spending on roads was that we are constantly spending spending spending without ever asking question on what happened to the money we spent on it the last time. Yes, infrastructure needs to be maintained but to not question what happened to it or to scrutinize whether it can wait is ridiculous. As an example a road was being repaved in my neighborhood. It was just paved the year before. There were no cracks…nothing wrong with it. Based off my civil engineering background, I believe the road was good for another couple years. This road did not need to be repaved. What do you see next it….a sign saying it was funded by recovery act. That makes me question the true intent of this act and question the reasoning behind many government spending projects. Why would funds have been wasted on such a project when the money could have been saved? Drive around and actually look at the projects being conducted out there. Look at how much waste is going on. Look at how many workers stand around doing nothing. Look at how much longer these projects take to complete than originally planned. How much oversight is really being put towards them. If a road erodes quicker than it was originally designed, is the company that put it in held accountable. Nope. They will probably just win the bid again. Don’t believe me….I used to live in VA when I was in the Army. The I-64 was under construction for 30 years and residents said it was no better than when it started…probably even worse. Yet, the same contractors have been building the entire time and raping the state over and over again. It is this waste fraud and abuse that needs to go away. it is this waste fraud and abuse that occurs in the government that makes me say “You want my money? Screw yourselves. Until you prove that you can manage right, stop asking for more.”

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
4:56 pm

“I have yet to hear anybody on here adequately or even remotely argue against the points the President laid out. Not one single credible argument. Not one.”

YOUR inability to comprehend does not constitute a failure on OUR part, Murph.

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:56 pm

Jed,

Lol! I am itching. I’m itching for some intelligent conversation and rational thoughts/arguments. All you guys have is cute one-liners and bumper sticker slogans.

Where's My Party?

June 29th, 2011
4:57 pm

Murhp….laid out what? Specifics please. What programs and/or other line items did the President propose we cut today?

Scott

June 29th, 2011
4:59 pm

Murph “I have yet to hear anybody on here adequately or even remotely argue against the points the President laid out. Not one single credible argument. Not one.”

No need for us to counter the idiot in chief when he does not care to even reduce the deficit. The rest of his campaign speech is moot. I know you believe him but given his track record he should never be trusted. He is a liar.

Andy

June 29th, 2011
4:59 pm

Ludicrous.

The president’s ignorance of basic economics is astonishing. If government spending equalled a robust domestic economy, then Greece would be the economic powerhouse of the world.

What’s even more astonishing is that the mainstream media falls for his BS every step of the way.

“Get it done” is a ‘challenge’ to the GOP? How about portraying it as an intractable position, unavailable for negotiation? Who’s being partisan now?

Come on, journalists, be objective for once – do your job, and HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR A CHANGE.

pogo

June 29th, 2011
4:59 pm

The only thing that could give the US any hope of coming out of our financial mess is to cut entitlements across the board (with no “sacred cows”) and to raise taxes. Obama’s words in this speech were nothing more than smoke and mirrors. He basically was saying “I want to keep on spending and I want to raise taxes on a selected few”. The reality of our situation is that if he did what he says he wants to do in this speech, we would still be nothing more than another Greece a few years from now. There is nothing new here. What he should have said is that each and everyone one of us, whether you are on entitlements or whether you are middle class or whether you are rich or poor, are going to have to sacrifice in a big way. That would have been what a leader would have said. But no, he chose the easy route by repeating that the only way out is to tax the “rich” (which in todays terms means anybody that earns over 50K). That plays really, really well to entitlement /progressive minded people like Jay and GG who would willingly hand over their lives to government control (even more than they already have). To the rest of us who believe in self determinance and self support it plays like poison.

I think Obama could say that we are going to eliminate SSN and Medicare tomorrow and Granny Lizard would still say, “Well done Mr. President, well done”. She makes an excellent toady.

Murph

June 29th, 2011
4:59 pm

Dave…c’mon. Really. I just reviewed all your posts on the topic and see no substance. Now Scott on the other hand, just made some good points. I may not agree with all of them but I believe his statements to be honest and worthy of respect. Don’t see that in any of your posts.

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
5:01 pm

Thanks Uncle Jed. Always good to spare my thumb another hammer blow :)

cosby smith

June 29th, 2011
5:02 pm

Gee Jay, class warfare..The US has a spending problem. For taxes, another case of Obama and copany using the tax code for class war fare..cut the spending, pass the fair Tax and see what happens. I have never ask poor or homeless man for a job, but I have had many a rich man offer me employment, When they leave with their wealth, then what the hell are you going to do…as the Atlanta panhandler by the stadium to pay the cost.

Murph

June 29th, 2011
5:04 pm

Well Scott, I was referring to your 4:55 comments as respectable. Calling the president a liar in chief as you did in your 4:59 post is not respectable. It shows disrespect for the office of the president of YOUR country.

godless heathen

June 29th, 2011
5:04 pm

Well he agreed to the “tax cuts for the rich”. Now he whines about it all the time.

Leaders lead. Obama whines.

JohnnyReb

June 29th, 2011
5:04 pm

“The president did a good job in laying out the facts today. He has to do an equally good job tomorrow, and the next day. The message is accurate, honest, convincing and important. It just has to be communicated.”

Hogwash Obama is in campaign mode. He’s more concerned with the trouncing he is to get next November than telling the truth. He is playing on emotions just like mediscare. The only people who think as Jay are the loyal left that would still endorse Obama if he deficated on the resolute desk while on national TV.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:07 pm

Murph, I’ve been setting out specific cuts AND revenue enhancements ad nausem on this blog for a couple of years now.

I have no desire to repeat them ad infinitum to answer a political speech full of nothing but exaggerations and lies from an in-over-his-head Chicago hack.

Murph

June 29th, 2011
5:08 pm

STILL waiting for a credible argument against what the president said. The conclusion to draw here is that what he said was dead-on right. If all you guys can offer is this…this garbage talk… well, I’m out.

Mighty Righty

June 29th, 2011
5:10 pm

Not one word about what he would cut from spending. Not one. Nada. Zip. Zilch. He only talked about what programs would be harmed if there is no tax increase. Which means, he wants a tax increase to increase government spending. Prior, all his statements were that we need a tax increase to reduce the deficit. Well, he was not truthful was he? He said it’s up to congress! Really! What the he-l do we need him for? He doesn’t even have and idea. His budget was rejected by the Senate in January by a vote of 96 to 0! That means every Democrat voted against his budget. As far as I am concerned, no debt ceiling increase until the empty suit occupying the white house makes a detailed proposal. Only vote on cuts. No tax increase. Let the country collapse. Let’s start over.

Buttered Biscuit

June 29th, 2011
5:11 pm

Democrats are going to have to get used to the idea that programs will be cut. That was my favorite part of the President’s speech today. He’s realized that the safety net has become a hammock…and that shared sacrifice means everybody pays. I hope he brings his 747 down here to the ATL so we can thank him for the recovery in person.
Jay Bookman…you are a tool.

Michele

June 29th, 2011
5:13 pm

@ JohnnyReb, Jed, Dave, and Scott,
Name calling is the last resort of the desperate. That is all.

Thomas

June 29th, 2011
5:14 pm

STILL waiting for a credible argument against what the president said-

none hear- the president is pretty good speaker- now if we only had a little substance sometimes. until then, same bat channel, same bat time

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
5:14 pm

Let’s stipulate that Gingrinch has little chance of being a party nominee in the next presidential contest. Let’s further stipulate that Newt made some significant blunders in recent weeks. Let’s also stipulate that he has been married several times; treated at least one previous wife poorly; and that he has a significant line of credit at Tiffany and Company.

How about we also stipulate that he knows a thing or two about strategy and tactics; hence 1994.
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NEWT GINGRICH: “If you are the Republicans you should say we have more people on food stamps today than ever before in history. President Obama is the most successful food stamp president in American history. We need a program to put 14 million Americans back to work. We are committed to creating jobs. The Democrats are committed to killing jobs. You decide which future you want, paychecks or food stamps? Republicans shouldn’t flinch because Democrats yell class warfare. Republicans shouldn’t blink and run for the hills. They ought to be calm and say this is the Obama depression it is going to get worse under his policies and we ought to change it now.”

NEWT GINGRICH: “If you are the Republicans you should say we have more people on food stamps today than ever before in history. President Obama is the most successful food stamp president in American history. We need a program to put 14 million Americans back to work. We are committed to creating jobs. The Democrats are committed to killing jobs. You decide which future you want, paychecks or food stamps? Republicans shouldn’t flinch because Democrats yell class warfare. Republicans shouldn’t blink and run for the hills. They ought to be calm and say this is the Obama depression it is going to get worse under his policies and we ought to change it now.”

Mighty Righty

June 29th, 2011
5:15 pm

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:07 pm
Murph, I’ve been setting out specific cuts AND revenue enhancements ad nausem on this blog for a couple of years now.

I have no desire to repeat them ad infinitum to answer a political speech full of nothing but exaggerations and lies from an in-over-his-head Chicago hack.

Link Report this comment Murph

June 29th, 2011
5:08 pm
STILL waiting for a credible argument against what the president said. The conclusion to draw here is that what he said was dead-on right. If all you guys can offer is this…this garbage talk… well, I’m out

Please explain in detail wht you are so enamored about?

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
5:16 pm

I knew the left leaners would want to read it twice for comprehension ;-) ;-)

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 29th, 2011
5:17 pm

“The message is accurate, honest, convincing and important. It just has to be communicated.”

No it really isn’t honest or convincing. Obama has not taken charge and put forth any plan that truly addresses cuts in spending and deficit reduction. He’s stubbornly hanging on to his socialist leaning and false belief in Keynesian economics crying out for more revenue to throw at poorly thought out stimulus programs that haven’t worked. The public recognizes this foolish charade as evidenced in 58% of Americans who disagree with his inept handling of the economy.

TM

June 29th, 2011
5:17 pm

The tax breaks for the corporate jets were part of the stimulus package signed by O and passed by the Dems as needed to jump start the economy. Its amazing that they now complain of the very law they passed in order to declare class warfare.

Mary Elizabeth

June 29th, 2011
5:18 pm

“And before we ask our seniors to pay more for health care, before we cut our children’s education, before we sacrifice our commitment to the research and innovation that will help create more jobs in the economy, I think it’s only fair to ask an oil company or corporate jet owner who has done so well to give up that tax break that no other business enjoys. I don’t think that’s real radical. I think the majority of Americans agree with that….”

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From my 10:26 a.m. post today, in which I highlighted the fact that the percentage of federal revenues from corporations dropped from 27% in 1951 to 9% in 2011:

“Those with this extreme Rightwing ideological drive have the money and political contacts to achieve their ends. And, in the process change the soul of this nation, IMO.

All that the middle and working class have are their votes and their minds to see what is happening.

Use your minds to see beyond the propaganda talking points of a coordinated Rightwing media. Use your hands to cast your ballot against these interests – and for the interests of working and middle class Americans.”
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A restatement of what the Republican position is, in my opinion.

pogo

June 29th, 2011
5:19 pm

People that don’t question decisons made by their leaders, even those leaders that they support, are not be listened to and have essentially relegated themselves to slavedom. Not all of the decisions any political leader makes can be sound and as pertaining to Obama, he is worse than most. Leaders are nothing but people and people have personnal and political agendas. Our founding fathers knew this and they wrote the Constitution to protect us from this but nowadays the Constitution is trampled upon and it is considered “antiquated” and is in the eyes of the progressives always in serious need of “revision”. In this country political ideology and personnal greed have become the creed of the day. We are in serious trouble as a nation. It is easy to be just a follower. If Obama has done nothing he has divided this country in a way no other leader we ever had has. The evidence is in the streets.

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
5:22 pm

godless heathen: “Well he agreed to the “tax cuts for the rich”. Now he whines about it all the time./ Leaders lead. Obama whines.”

Well it’s true he agreed to the tax cuts and now it hangs around his neck like an albatross. And though he whined a bit at the time, I wouldn’t describe what he’s doing now in that way exactly. It’s more a type of snake charming, the snake being the fickle US public.

ty webb

June 29th, 2011
5:30 pm

“The message is accurate, honest, convincing and important. It just has to be communicated.’

looks like you got some work to do there jay, just make sure you keep track of your billable hours…or do you get paid by the word?

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
5:32 pm

Michele

June 29th, 2011
5:13 pm
@ JohnnyReb, Jed, Dave, and Scott,
Name calling is the last resort of the desperate. That is all.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Michele:

Try a more narrow brush stroke, this assuming you were taking a whack at Ol’ Jed, here.

The only names I have called anyone while posting on this topic, so far anyway, are as follow:

Barry (the president himself once used this handle)
Alex (as in Trebeck)
Jay (our gracious host)
Scott (a friend of Murph’s)
Godless (a heathen-oops!- there I went name calling)
Gingrich (the former speaker)
Newt (see above-bless my parents for sparing me this moniker)
Left Leaning (an adjective)

So Michele (I know you aren’t still here), where did I get on your wrong side? Was it really name calling or was it what I was posting, which bothered you?

Abrazos

June 29th, 2011
5:35 pm

“Class warfare” again.

It IS class warfare, but it’s our class, the middle class, that is under attack. A hypothetical “rich man” can offer you that job whether he pays a 35% tax rate or a 39% tax rate, I assure you. The 4% difference is not going to prevent him from hiring you if you have the right qualifications. What will prevent him from hiring you is the current structure that rewards him with a tax benefit for off-shoring that same job to India, China, or a former Eastern Block nation.

Fred

June 29th, 2011
5:35 pm

Jay you dirty dog. You snuck in fresh sheets and didn’t say a word………..

Jay

June 29th, 2011
5:36 pm

I draw a base salary, with a bonus I can collect if things go well, Ty.

In this case, my bonus would be averting an economic collapse that would do great damage to the country I love.

A great incentive package, don’t you think?

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:37 pm

“Name calling is the last resort of the desperate.”

And whining is the first resort of the liberal, Michele.

Mikey

June 29th, 2011
5:38 pm

A prior president and congress went down this same tax road leading to unintended consequences and disaster. Rember the luxury tax on the “Rich” who buy yachts. Guess what! The Rich continued to buy luxury yachts but just not in the U.S. The U.S. yacht building industry collapsed and all but ceased to exist throwing thousands of middle class workers out of jobs who built those rich person’s yachts. So we lost the payroll taxes of those formerly employed yacht builders and payroll taxpayers and the amount if new tax revenues collected from the new luxury tax on yachts was negligible at best.

So what does this president do? He gives a speech to kill the jet aircraft industry in the U.S. The U.S. is still the leading aerospace and aircraft design/manufacturing country in the world . Do you want to deed that manufacturing capability and industry by default with the new luxury tax on the “Rich” who buy jet aircraft to Europe, China or some other unamed foreign country that will gladly build those jet aircraft overseas so the “evil rich” can avoid any anticipated luxury tax passed by Congress and signed by the President. If you want less of anything, tax it. If you want less jobs increase corporate taxes and send the money to Washington where they will certain spend it and more. Doesn’t everybody get it by now with our lagging economy and lack of jobs, it is the spending stupid by the federal government that is killing our economy and creating a new class of cronically unemployed Americans. Increased federal taxes without total control and limits to spending will lead to less jobs and a poorer nation in the future. This Administration has a maxed out our U.S. credit card, the American Taxpayer can ill afford more federal government largeness by increasing our taxes or the taxes on the so called rich amongst us. Thousands of hard working union/non-union workers in the aerospace and aircraft industry who support those “evil” rich people (typical class envy card played by a politician who is low in the polls) depend upon the American Public at large not to get sucked into this sinkhole of continued spending and increased taxes. Wakeup! Increased taxes are the fuel for over spending by our state and federal politicians on their pet projects. These politicians really do not represent you because our House and Senate representatives live in the Washington DC bubble outside of the influence of the ordinary citizen like us in their quest for the holy grail of spending that requires us to act like sheep; requires us to believe in class envy; and requires us to go against our self-interest and turn over even more of our hard earned money in assorted new tax increases. Stop this merry-go-around of ever increasing taxes and spending by our current politicians, please vote the spending and increase tax idiots out of office in 2012.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:40 pm

“In this case, my bonus would be averting an economic collapse that would do great damage to the country I love.”

Fantastic!

Now explain to us how your writing could ever be responsible for replacing every Democrat in the House, Senate and White House. ;)

Mighty Righty

June 29th, 2011
5:40 pm

Mary Elizabeth

June 29th, 2011
5:18 pm

The so called “Rich” are the only thing standing between you and your financial destruction. They employ a majority of Americans. They pay most of the income taxes. Even if you work for the government, they pay the taxes that allow you to be paid. They pay for your health care and any other benefits you receive from the government. Yes, other people pay taxes. But, for the most part their employment is provided directly or indirectly by the “employers” in our society. They are the “golden geese.” Kill them and our economy quickly becomes third world quality. The left always wants a straw man to blame for their own short comings. The “EVIL” rich. In my opinion, it is not the “evil” rich we must fear, it is the evil government that will suck us all dry. I said the rich stand between you and financial destruction becuase when the geese die, you are next. Our government has an insatiable appetite for money. Remember, Robinhood did not steal from the rich, he stole from the government(the King was the government) who had confisated the poor peoples wealth in the form of taxes.

ty webb

June 29th, 2011
5:40 pm

yeah jay…plus all the swag too. “Hope and Change” bumper stickers, pins, refrigerator magnets, “Yes We Can” t-shirts…

Poor, Poor, Pitiful Thee

June 29th, 2011
5:42 pm

Are Republicans still sticking with that line that seniors simply must give up their Medicare so those payroll taxes can be given to the nation’s millionaires and billionaires with the hope that a little of it will trickle down upon them.

Uncle Jed

June 29th, 2011
5:42 pm

Amending the list on my last post to include: Michele

Heading out to the garden to pick still more of those oversexed prolific cucumbers.
No probationers required.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:44 pm

“Are Republicans still sticking with that line that seniors simply must give up their Medicare so those payroll taxes can be given to the nation’s millionaires and billionaires with the hope that a little of it will trickle down upon them.”

No.

Thus ends another episode of ‘One-word Answers to Stupid Questions.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 29th, 2011
5:46 pm

Mikey@ 5:38 AMEN…very well stated.

Joe Mama

June 29th, 2011
5:47 pm

Dave — “Murph, I’ve been setting out specific cuts AND revenue enhancements ad nausem on this blog for a couple of years now.”

Well, I’d like to hear them too, Dave, and I can at least promise you that I’ll try to hear you out and ask a few pertinent questions. Would you consider reposting at least a thumbnail outline of your ideas, please?

Mary Elizabeth

June 29th, 2011
5:48 pm

Mighty Righty,

You are restating those talking points to which I referred very well.

I support balance between the public and private sectors. Our nation has been out of balance for quite a while.

Doggone/GA

June 29th, 2011
5:49 pm

“Are Republicans still sticking with that line that seniors simply must give up their Medicare so those payroll taxes can be given to the nation’s millionaires and billionaires with the hope that a little of it will trickle down upon them”

As of this minute, I’d say the answer is yes. Whether that will change remains to be seen.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:49 pm

What part of “I have no desire to repeat them ad infinitum to answer a political speech full of nothing but exaggerations and lies from an in-over-his-head Chicago hack.” do you NOT understand?

Poor, Poor, Pitiful Thee

June 29th, 2011
5:50 pm

Thus ends another episode of ‘One-word Answers to Stupid Questions.

“No” is simply a stupid answer to a rhetorical question.

josef

June 29th, 2011
5:51 pm

Gale’s point that the President really can’t do much more than cheerlead and some others’ point that he’s in campaign mode pretty much sum this up. We’ll see.

Bottom line, though, is that he could actually deliver a chicken in every pot and his naysayers wouldn’t be happy. And no matter what he promises and doesn’t deliver on, it’ll be Bush and the GOP’s fault.

Pretty much a weather report from another day in Paradise…

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:52 pm

““No” is simply a stupid answer to a rhetorical question.”

Actually, it’s an accurate answer based on a question without merit nor based on reality, Poor.

Fred

June 29th, 2011
5:53 pm

Gee Mighty, and shipping all the jobs overseas doesn’t hurt our economy?

Poor, Poor, Pitiful Thee

June 29th, 2011
5:54 pm

Actually, it’s an accurate answer based on a question without merit nor based on reality, Poor.

No.

Fred

June 29th, 2011
5:54 pm

Josef @ 5:51.

now that you’ve settled all THAT, let’s go have a beer.

poison pen

June 29th, 2011
5:55 pm

Sorry Jay, it’s the biggest peice of crap that I ever heard. Scare the old people, scare the college kids, hell lets scare everyone.
He chastized Congress on going on vacation and yet here he is getting ready for another vacation to Martha’s Vineyard,DUH !

Did he forget about all the Limos that he bought or the private jets?

pogo

June 29th, 2011
5:55 pm

Obama made much of “Corporate Jets” today. But what about this?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/flashback-ap-stimulus-includes-tax-break-promote-private-jet-sale

This was under a democrat controlled Congress and a democrat President. But then it was called “stimulus”. Conveniently, today in the speech it is to be considered as an example of the “evil rich”. He could have vetoed the stimulus plan based upon this but did he? No, he promoted it. Another example of Obama trying to use the class warfare thing to promote his political career. Obama’s relationship with GE is going to be a thing that historians will write about when the subject pertains to the corporate corruption of an American presidential administration. Immelt practically lives in the Whitehouse and Obama is more than willing to hand them taxpayer dollars for them to make billions.What disturbs me the most is that all of the liberal and progressive “Corporate hating” supporters of Obama have nothing to say about this relationship. Nothing at all. What does that say about Obama’s supporters (such as Jay)? It says they have no real principles, only their own political self-interests. The word hypocrits comes to mind in a very large way.

GE has outsourced thousands of jobs under Immelt. He has slashed his domestic workforce (all of which were taxpaying citizens) in return for a cheap product from overseas. And Obama absolutely loves him.

Joe Mama

June 29th, 2011
5:56 pm

Dave — “What part of “I have no desire to repeat them ad infinitum to answer a political speech full of nothing but exaggerations and lies from an in-over-his-head Chicago hack.” do you NOT understand?”

What part of ‘I’m trying to be polite, collegial and not automatically dismiss your ideas out of hand’ do *you* not understand?

Fred

June 29th, 2011
5:56 pm

What’s funny is that I heard the Presidents speech for only about 5 minutes while taking the girls to lunch. I heard exactly what Jay posted to the point where he started taking questions How much more was there?

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
5:56 pm

“Gee Mighty, and shipping all the jobs overseas doesn’t hurt our economy?”

Then how about making it more attractive for jobs to stay here, Fred? The cost to comply with government regulations now exceeds the cost of income taxes to corporations.

Who is doing ANYTHING about the REAL reason why jobs are shipping overseas?

Nobody.

poison pen

June 29th, 2011
5:59 pm

Poor, Poor, Pitiful Thee

” Are Republicans still sticking with that line that seniors simply must give up their Medicare so those payroll taxes can be given to the nation’s millionaires and billionaires with the hope that a little of it will trickle down upon them. ”

Poor, please show us where any Repub said that.

Poor, Poor, Pitiful Thee

June 29th, 2011
5:59 pm

We need to pack up South Georgia and ship it overseas since we do not want the immigrants to come here.

Fred

June 29th, 2011
5:59 pm

Gee Dave, those pesky Gov’t regulations. It is SO much better to employ Chineese slaves and polluted the air over there than to build clean factories and actually have to PAY a worker. I gotcha. ;)

Jay

June 29th, 2011
6:01 pm

He didn’t scare them, poison, he told them the truth. He can’t help it if the truth is scary.

If we don’t raise taxes, isn’t it true that a lot of additional government programs will have to be cut? Is that true or not?

To borrow from the great Harry Truman, Obama ain’t givin’ ‘em hell. He’s telling the truth and you THINK it’s hell.

I think he ought to do it a lot more often.

josef

June 29th, 2011
6:01 pm

FRED

Partly cloudy with a chance of late afternoon and early evening thundershowers, may be serious at times. :-)

DAVE R

Before I lapse in my good manners, thank you for earlier…not really necessary, but thanks, nevertheless…

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
6:02 pm

Joe Mama, every conversation you have with virtually anybody starts out “polite and collegial” and always degenerates into your incessant surliness mode as you “automatically dismiss ideas out of hand”.

You were written off as a stalker weeks ago, and as such, I no longer play your game.

Continue to post to thin air as you wish.

Left wing management

June 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

Did somebody say ‘class warfare’ ?

poison pen

June 29th, 2011
6:04 pm

” Use your minds to see beyond the propaganda talking points of a coordinated Rightwing media. Use your hands to cast your ballot against these interests – and for the interests of working and middle class Americans.”

Mary, And the Dems don’t have an agenda, REALLY ! What tripe.

Jay

June 29th, 2011
6:04 pm

“Who is doing ANYTHING about the REAL reason why jobs are shipping overseas?

Nobody.”

Well, Dave R., if you have any plans for preventing the Chinese from paying their workers less than a tenth of what workers are paid here — that is, after all, “the REAL reason why jobs are shipping overseas” — you just let the rest of us know, OK?

Poor, Poor, Pitiful Thee

June 29th, 2011
6:05 pm

Poor, please show us where any Repub said that.

Does it have to be verbatim in order for a Republican to comprehend. Just kidding. I’m sure you guys can add and subtract. Republicans wanted to cut Medicare by hundreds of billions of dollars. (Let me know if I need to provide a link.) Republicans want to cut taxes for the wealthy. (Again, let me know if you need a link.) Republicans have not offered to cut payroll taxes. Republicans have not offered to eliminate the deficit. Put all that together and it spells using payroll taxes to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. Granted, the comment about trickle down was thrown in for good measure though because that always gets the Republican’s attention.

Dave R.

June 29th, 2011
6:06 pm

josef, you’re welcome.

I just can’t abide anyone – left or right – accusing someone of lying without proof. I still can’t figure out what got thomas’ knickers in a knot about your comment, but he went after you as some go after me, and it just wasn’t right.