Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
U.S. District Judge Thomas Thrash has blocked enforcement of the most aggressive law enforcement provisions of Georgia’s new illegal immigration law, ruling that they interfere with federal responsibilities to enforce immigration law.
“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
That’s pretty much on the nose. And while the judge didn’t offer a conclusion about whether such a goal was good or bad, he did rule that such steps, if they are taken, must be taken by the federal government, not by the states. As a result, “state and local law enforcement officers and officials have no authorization to arrest, detain or prosecute anyone based upon Sections 7 and 8 of HB 87 while this injunction remains in effect.”
However, 21 other sections of the law will go into effect July 1.
In a footnote in his ruling, Thrash pointed out an affidavit filed by Lewis Smith, a 23-year veteran of law enforcement in Georgia and the police chief of the small town of Uvalda. According to Thrash, Smith’s statement “outlines the problems that rural, small town Georgia law enforcement officers will have in trying to enforce Section 8.”
Smith’s statement does that, and a lot more.
“This is going to be devastating to my community and to many other areas of rural Georgia,” the chief’s affidavit reads. “I believe this law will open the door to racial profiling if it is implemented. There are a lot of good police officers, but there are some bad ones out there too, and if the bad ones don’t like Hispanics, for whatever reason, they will have the ability to try to verify that person’s immigration status. I believe that officers in many small towns will rely on physical appearance or way of talking (accent) to determine whether to stop someone and attempt to verify the person’s immigration status.”
Smith also explained the burden that enforcing HB 87 would place on him and other law enforcement officers. After talking with fellow officers, he said, he has come to the conclusion that “police officers in many towns will feel compelled to always exercise their authority to ask about immigration status, making many communities less safe and stretching already thin police forces to their limit.”
In Smith’s case, he is the lone officer in Uvalda, a town of 600 in southeast Georgia. The closest jail is 40 miles away in Soperton, which means that transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to jail, booking the person and returning home would pull Smith off patrol for at least two hours and 15 minutes.
“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town, and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he told the court.
And about that criminal element?
“The criminal element in Uvalda does not include the population HB 87 targets. In Uvalda, even though we are a small town, we have a big prescription drug problem resulting in break-ins, burglaries and even suicides.” The Hispanics in his town, on the other hand, “are law-abiding people. They have family and kids.”
“In small towns like Uvalda,” Smith told the court, “life is more personal. As chief, I get to know people for who they are, rather than just a statistic or a word such as ‘illegal.’ The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”
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Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
And if that’s the only way to gain control, what’s wrong with it?
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm
First? no way
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm
It’s all the liberals fault
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
5:37 pm
Didn’t think so!
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
5:38 pm
It’s all the liberals fault
AMEN! LWM
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
5:43 pm
I guess it really doesn’t matter this is all headed to the SCOTUS anyway and the judge did leave most of it intact.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
5:46 pm
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia”
Notice he did NOT say “all illegal AND legal aliens”.
So, what’s the problem?
We want ONLY the illegals to leave.
But alas, the SCOTUS will have the last say on all of this and we will either regain control of our borders or cease over time to be a sovereign nation.
Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be the ones to pay the price.
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
5:48 pm
JOSEF-AMVET!!!!!!!!
Shake hands with each other. Please!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
5:50 pm
“This is just the kind of judge that if green Martians had landed and were eating people alive, he would determine they had “extra-terrestrial galactic” Constitutional rights and police couldn’t stop and interrogate anyone just because they were green.
When anyone in this country (anyone) can pick and choose which laws to obey, we are in more trouble than we realize.
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Ok,now I feel better.I will stfu and just read.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
5:51 pm
Off to the dog park to look for illegal dogs.
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
5:53 pm
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
That’s pretty much on the nose. And while the judge didn’t offer a conclusion about whether such a goal was good or bad, he did rule that such steps, if they are taken, must be taken by the federal government, not by the states
++++
Only the federal government can create “climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
Seriously.
josef
June 27th, 2011
5:54 pm
Scooter
I will as soon as he puts the carpetbag down?
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
5:54 pm
Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town, and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he told the court.
++++++
What happens when this guy goes to sleep? Seriously.
I really can’t take this seriously.
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
5:58 pm
In Smith’s case, he is the lone officer in Uvalda, a town of 600 in southeast Georgia. The closest jail is 40 miles away in Soperton, which means that transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to jail, booking the person and returning home would pull Smith off patrol for at least two hours and 15 minutes.
+++++
How often would this happen in a town that is 1.9 square miles. lol
Thanks for the laugh.
Whaheema
June 27th, 2011
5:59 pm
Let’s imagine that we were talking about thieves instead of people who have broken immigration law. Would it be ok to create a climate in which by due process thieves felt uncomfortable and left? I hope so.
Now that Mr. Obama has clearly said that it is his responsibility to enforce the law and to secure the border, let’s consider how he is doing?
Why s a Ga. Law needed if he were doing his job?
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
6:00 pm
Scout from downstairs…
The case you make is already taken care of by the 287(g) program. When someone’s arrested and found to be in the country without legal status, ICE puts a detainer on them and begins deportation proceedings once their criminal case is adjudicated. We don’t need any additional laws to accomplish that. All that’s needed is to train more officers and adequately fund that program.
As an aside, I’m guessing your mental midgetry causes you to use the “Brosepuss” when responding to something I’ve said. If I can show your respect and not call you out of your name, even though I have good knowledge on what your real name is, you can at least be a grownup and show me the same courtesy. However, if the infant in you can’t be contained, then I’ll chalk up your actions as the immaturity of my elders.
Recon
From downstairs. I don’t really care much for that provision of Medicaid myself. Under the grounds of inadmissibility in the INA, there’s a charge for being a public charge, or being like a ward of the state. It’s quite hard for us to charge someone with that particular charge, even when we have proof they’ve applied for Medicaid. I understand the health implications of denying health services to those in need of care, but there’s gotta be something the suits can do to cut back on the use of Medicaid by those who are not paying for it.
Logical Dude
June 27th, 2011
6:01 pm
deja vu!
21 parts of the law are okay. It’s just those 2 that overstep the constitution.
Recon: And if that’s the only way to gain control, what’s wrong with it?
If you have to ask. . . you have already lost your liberty.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
6:01 pm
Fla. woman says 95-year-old mother patted down at airport (AJC)
A woman says Transportation Security Administration officials detained and searched her 95-year-old cancer-stricken mother — even making her remove her disposable diaper — at an airport in northwest Florida.
You just cain’t never tell what them terrists might be a’hidin’ in them diapers — let alone in them brassieres! It shore pays to be on the safe side!
Jay
June 27th, 2011
6:03 pm
Whaheema, as the judge notes, “mere presence in this country without authorization is not a federal crime.”
So there goes your comparison.
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
6:03 pm
I wonder how common meth addiction is among youth and/or adults in the Uvalda area, and the casualty rate of area natives in foreign wars in the past decade.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
6:05 pm
Hey, Jay, here’s an article you may find interesting.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/gone_with_the_papers_20110627
DH-ATL
June 27th, 2011
6:05 pm
Thank you Judge Thrash for banning this horrid (and racist) law–
Its all about demographics and (non-republican) voter supression for those republican lawmakers that cynically support this bill…
Jay
June 27th, 2011
6:08 pm
Judging from Chief Lewis’ affidavit, Left Wing, the problem is more likely Oxycontin.
And Sooth, I don’t need to read it, I live it.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
6:11 pm
Jay, why no thread on Blagojevich??
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
6:11 pm
You just cain’t never tell what them terrists might be a’hidin’ in them diapers — let alone in them brassieres! It shore pays to be on the safe side!
You really never know….
BAGHDAD — A suicide bomber in a wheelchair blew himself up at the entrance to a police station north of the city yesterday, killing three people and wounding 18, officials said.
Two police officers were killed and 10 injured in Tarmiyah, about 30 miles north of Baghdad, authorities said.
The head of the Tarmiyah city council, Qassim Khalifa, said it was not clear whether the bomber was really disabled or using the wheelchair as a way to deflect attention from security.
The bomber went to the police station saying he needed a letter from the police certifying he had been maimed in a terror attack, Khalifa said. Iraqis who have been disabled from a bombing or shooting can receive compensation from the government if their injuries are documented. “Police inspected him but not very carefully as he was handicapped or pretending to be handicapped, so they let him go inside the police reception area where the blast occurred,’’ he said.
I’m not saying that I’m in 100% agreement with current screening protocols, but there are concerns, as outlandish as they appear, that are more serious than people think. A terrorist only has to be successful once to be considered a success. A security officer only has to fail once to be considered a failure.
Jay
June 27th, 2011
6:15 pm
Woodstock, cuz we knew he was crooked three years ago and posted about it at the time.
Doncha think this is old news by now? I mean, what more is there to say?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
6:15 pm
ROD BLAGOJEVICH:
The epitome of a corrupt politician… And yes, he is a Democrat, can you believe it?
josef
June 27th, 2011
6:17 pm
The world of the illegals “out there” and those in the urban areas are different worlds. The personal distance “out there” goes a long, long way toward mitigating that sense of isolation and, yes, fear. In my hometown when I was growing up there were no “Hispanics.” The story of how the first ones came in is rather interesting to me and there is a personal element here.
Here’s how it goes for those interested. A fellow was passing through and had a wreck in front of Mama’s house. It was pretty serious. She went down and held his hand comforting him as best she could until help arrived. He was in the hospital several weeks. Everybody in town wanted to know how he was doing since he might as well have been a Martian, he was that exotic, Mama was there the whole time with him. When he was released, he decided to stay where the people had been so good to him, Mama being his “saint.” He went to work, doing odd jobs and soon enough got a job with “the city” working in maintenance. He brought some of his family up. Soon enough there were more and more relatives coming in, each and every one screened by Tomas. He soon opened a couple of businesses. Their kids went to school, did well, and two of them became teachers. Another became a nurse. Most, though, in the first generation worked in the local furniture factory and/or did farm labor. Any problem and Tomas is called in. He was elected to the city council (he was able to get his citizenship papers without a lot of hassle, having himself come legally and having followed the rules and regs.) It came time to start up a Catholic congregation and Mama donated a plot of ground for it, and gave the Bishop hell until he took care of business himself. Tomas pretty much runs his own INS…mess up and get sent home. Period. How many are legal and how many are not? Who knows. Those anchor babies though speak fluent English with a North Mississippi twang you could cut with a hatchet, Spanish with a Monterrey accent just as native, have married amongst the locals.
A success story? Unusual? Perhaps, but I’m inclined to think not. As the Uvalda policeman says, given a chance…
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
6:24 pm
It’s hard to believe you could find a police officer in the Vidalia area that would be opposed to farmers in the area getting cheap labor through illegal immigration. I’m shocked!Shocked!
poison pen
June 27th, 2011
6:25 pm
Jay
” Woodstock, cuz we knew he was crooked three years ago and posted about it at the time.”
Doncha think this is old news by now? I mean, what more is there to say?
Jay, I thought you libs were the last to condem a person before their trial. You knew 3 years ago, AMAZING!
midtownguy
June 27th, 2011
6:26 pm
It’s a complex issue. I worked for many years with refugees and I can tell you one of the groups most ardently opposed to illegal entry are those who waited and came legally. That said, it appears that state governments are taking action only because the federal government is doing absolutely nothing. We should be demanding leadership on this issue from our Senators and Representatives rather than passing state laws.
poison pen
June 27th, 2011
6:27 pm
This cop, and I use the term loosly, is afraid of racial discrimination, well if he is the only cop in town then it shouldn’t be a problem, right!
Jay
June 27th, 2011
6:28 pm
Yeah, Poison, it just takes you guys a little longer to catch up with the rest of us.
poison pen
June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm
Jay, that is true, we don’t condem someone until they have their day in court, thanks for making that clear and I hope we never catch up to you guys.
Jimmy62
June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm
The mistrust was created by people who flout our laws, and the politicians and journalists who cover for them.
midtownguy
June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm
Woodstock: Corruption knows no “D” or “R” (I personally thought Bill Campbell and Linda Schrenko should have been forced to share a jail cell).
Jay
June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm
Jay, that is true, we don’t condem someone until they have their day in court,
Right Poison.
Go sell that to John Edwards.
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
6:33 pm
“This cop, and I use the term loosly (sic)…”
Why?
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
6:37 pm
Mike — “The epitome of a corrupt politician… And yes, he is a Democrat, can you believe it?”
I want ALL corrupt pols found out, tried and punished. I don’t care what party they belong to.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
6:37 pm
Right Poison.
Go sell that to John Edwards.
Or Anthony Weiner…
josef
June 27th, 2011
6:38 pm
BTW
Illegal from the illegal’s perspective…an interesting read in yesterday’s NYT magazine section…worth a read, imho…
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
6:38 pm
“Go sell that to John Edwards”
Or Anthony Weiner
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
6:39 pm
Brosephus! GMTA!
saywhat?
June 27th, 2011
6:41 pm
Jay-”Right Poison.
Go sell that to John Edwards.”
or Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama, or Anthony Weiner, or…. the list is endless.
saywhat?
June 27th, 2011
6:42 pm
THIRD!
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
6:42 pm
Doggone
I had to read Jay’s comment a few times. I was seeing John Edwards, but my mind was registering Weiner.
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
6:42 pm
MARTIN: Now, and again I wanted to ask you a question I asked Jeanne Bonner earlier which is there are federal visa programs that do allow farmers to bring migrant workers legally there are specific visa programs for this. Is it that farmers weren’t taking advantage of them, or these workers weren’t coming here under those programs? I mean…
BRIDGES: Well, this is – there’s a two-pronged issue with that. One is many farmers tell me that that program doesn’t work because several of the farmers have small acreages of produce to be harvested and that program is extremely cumbersome to complete. Now, some of the larger onion farmers who have acres and acres have been able to successfully use that program, but the majority of the smaller farms just – it’s just a cumbersome program to use. And the other part of this is that we have people who have been here for several years.
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/23/137369275/ga-s-new-immigration-law-sparks-farmers-fears
Bridges is the Mayor of Uvalda.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
6:43 pm
josef
Was that article about the journalist that came out, or the group of young protesters?
Dropped you a buzz at SE!!
josef
June 27th, 2011
6:45 pm
BROSEPHUS
Gotcha!
josef
June 27th, 2011
6:47 pm
BROSEPHUS
That was the article…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 27th, 2011
6:49 pm
Well, this judge is flat-out wrong. I ain’t hostile, afraid, mistrustful or insecure about a bunch of illegals. I just want them out of this country before they kill or rob me and mine or get my taxes raised with their babys being born in our hospital. So while this appeal is happening I’ll just keep my anti-tank gun and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense close by. They might get me but I’ll take a whole bunch of them with me. I just hope the lazy bums don’t get the price of my vegetables and chickens shooting thru the roof. The least they could do is pick the crops before we arrest them and put them in jail.
Waldo
June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
If this is the standard, then ALL laws should come off the books. I’m guessing that a murderer or rapist feels hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity when on the run from the law. We can’t create an environment where these poor criminals have their feeling hurt, can we now.
@@
June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm
Which is it, jay?
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
That’s pretty much on the nose.
Your nose seems out of joint, when, back in May, you were saying this:
Although federal courts may come to a different conclusion, the new Georgia law strikes me as considerably less dangerous to civil liberties than the law in Arizona, parts of which have been suspended by federal courts.
Chief Smith is trying to save his little farming community, nothing more. Small town folk love to spin a good yarn.
Bob
June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm
Democrats will do anything for votes. 17% real unemployment for American citizens and don’t even mention the unemployment for blacks. If the libs want to do what is right for the country and for the poor and downtrodden, they would open up these jobs by having the illegal aliens self-deport. The NAACP should be aligning with the GOP to support their core base.
Again, the dems know they have the majority of the black vote and want the Hispanic vote. They are also the party that does not want ID checks at polling places. HMMM?
There is your Obama transparency.
Tight with the Right
June 27th, 2011
6:54 pm
The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.
Well, duh. Nice grasp of the obvious there, Holmes.
What is it about “illegal” that you don’t understand? Those people are illegal which means that they are criminals and their world is going be like that of illegal criminals.
Jay
June 27th, 2011
6:57 pm
Again, Tight, “those people” are NOT criminals.
As the judge notes, “mere presence in this country without authorization is not a federal crime.”
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
6:57 pm
“Those people are illegal which means that they are criminals ”
Actually, they aren’t. Illegal immigration is a civil offense, not a criminal offense
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
6:57 pm
According to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, Social Intelligence Corp, has been given the legal thumbs up to archive seven years worth of your Facebook posts. These archives will be used by SIC (oh the applicability of the acronym) as part of their background checking service for job applicants.
Let’s hope they dont start archiving this blog and running the names down for background checks…..some people are going to have a lot of splaining to do.
Waldo
June 27th, 2011
6:58 pm
And Jay, look at that last quote from Smith: “The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”
Clearly this is not him speaking as a sheriff, it’s him speaking as a liberal who – like yourself – does not view illegal immigration as a crime.
Jay, you are giving Cynthia a run for her money for the coveted ‘Dumbest on AJC’s Payroll’ title. Until recently, I did not think anyone was capable of that.
Bob
June 27th, 2011
6:59 pm
I lived near Cedar Crossing for 4 years. It is a few miles from Uvalda and I know that the Montgomery County sheriff is all over this area. Shoots a hole in the sheriff’s fears about crime if he goes to Soperton.
NotImpressed
June 27th, 2011
7:00 pm
We need to make Georgia the DEPORTATION STATION CAPITAL of the country! We don’t want or need the Illegal Immigrants here – they add nothing to our society – all they do is take away and feed on our tax dollars, clog up our emergency rooms and eat up tax dollars that could be better spent educating our children. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING CRIMINALS and that is what Illegal Immigrants are. I say prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any body or any business – including any church organization – that aids or abets any illegal immigrant in any way! Bring on ICE, The Border Patrol and enable all Law Enforcement employess to arrest and deport illegals immediately. To “Protect and To Serve” should be changed to “ENFORCE & DEPORT”. Let’s hope we can instill enough fear that they will get up and leave in the middle of the night!
josef
June 27th, 2011
7:03 pm
Kinda strange, ain’t it, that those yapping the loudest about the “illegals” haven’t the vaguest notion of what the law is…the distinction between civil and criminal totally “alien” territory!
josef
June 27th, 2011
7:05 pm
Notimpressed
Yep. Them, the Jews and the Ragpickers…
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:05 pm
“Clearly this is not him speaking as a sheriff, it’s him speaking as a liberal ”
“Let’s hope we can instill enough fear that they will get up and leave in the middle of the night”
That pretty much brackets it, doesn’t it? Compassion is a “liberal” quality and therefor to be rejected. And rely on fear. It always comes down to fear, doesn’t it?
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:10 pm
josef
I read it. I think we’re in for a wild ride over the next few years with immigration. However, it won’t change my way of doing things at work unless the law makes me change.
Atlanta 1
June 27th, 2011
7:11 pm
The parts that were struck down, should have been. The parts that were held up, should have been.
The law is right where it should be now.
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
7:11 pm
“…some people are going to have a lot of splaining to do.”
And I have a very vulgar running joke of a comment to John Ashcroft (and by proxy, his corporate taskmasters and partners in crime.)
I had a strange feeling based on how the thread downstairs was turning, that we would see some people here go very anti-police on this topic.
Though I’ve seen *nothing* that indicates Smith has in any way served other than with honor, effectiveness and integrity.
If someone here has some information regarding their semi-alleged, non-allegations and other nefarious behavior, I would like to see it.
Waldo
June 27th, 2011
7:15 pm
@Doggone/GA
There’s a difference between compassion and embracing (or even celebrating) illegal activity. I understand that, you clearly don’t.
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
7:15 pm
I will as soon as he puts the carpetbag down?
LMAO!! josef. I will try to catch up here. Whew!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
7:16 pm
AmVet…we’ve seen it before. When they have nothing else, smear the character. Scout did it the other day with that Marine officer who spoke up about the Constitution. It’s a shameful tactic and shame on those who use it.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:16 pm
There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING CRIMINALS and that is what Illegal Immigrants are.
Care to point out anywhere in 8 USC where it states that being present without inspection is a criminal offense? I have two copies of 8 USC and I have yet to see that passage anywhere.
Bring on ICE, The Border Patrol and enable all Law Enforcement employess to arrest and deport illegals immediately.
Not gonna happen. As a nation that believes in laws, even people present without inspection have the right to appear before an immigration judge in different circumstances. There are few select groups who don’t have that right, one being people who enter the US under the Visa Waiver Program. They get to enter without having a visa in their passport, however, they waive the right to appear before an IJ to contest any admissibility issues.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:17 pm
“There’s a difference between compassion and embracing (or even celebrating) illegal activity.”
Since I have done neither, I don’t see your point. I, too, know the difference. And they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:20 pm
“There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING CRIMINALS”
Profiling is not aimed at criminals. It is aimed at a population that MIGHT BE crimals. In other words, at mostly INNOCENT people.
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
7:25 pm
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:20 pm
Good point Doggone! I hadn’t thought about it that way.
F. Sinkwich
June 27th, 2011
7:29 pm
Well, it’s obvious Jay and his lib ilk celebrate illegal immigration.
They have no problem paying taxes to support their leech lifestyle.
Oh, that’s right, most of the lib ilks don’t pay taxes.
Never mind.
Waldo
June 27th, 2011
7:30 pm
“Profiling is not aimed at criminals. It is aimed at a population that MIGHT BE crimals. In other words, at mostly INNOCENT people.”
So if a white male driving a red jeep knocks off a liquor store then the police should not put out an APB with that description because they might accidentally pull over the wrong guy?
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:31 pm
“Good point Doggone! I hadn’t thought about it that way”
Thanks. That’s why “racial profiling” is pretty much illegal. But behavioral profiling is not.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:31 pm
Oh, that’s right, most of the lib ilks don’t pay taxes.
lib ilks…. Is that a new breed of elk or something? Can they be grilled or smoked and doused in BBQ sauce? The creativity of the pseudo-conservative thought process leaves me gasping for breaths of reality sometimes….
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
7:32 pm
Keep, I don’t get it.
http://www.uvaldaga.com/news.html
ty webb
June 27th, 2011
7:32 pm
actually, illegal immigration is a crime.
F. Sinkwich
June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm
Yep, Waldo, that’s true in lib world.
It’s called libroolery.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm
So if a white male driving a red jeep knocks off a liquor store then the police should not put out an APB with that description because they might accidentally pull over the wrong guy?
It’s not profiling if you have an accurate description for a particular subject you’re looking for. Do you happen to have an accurate description that will apply to all allegedly 12 million illegal immigrants here in the US? If you have one, I’m sure my colleagues would love to have it. It would make our lives and jobs much, much easier.
josef
June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm
Brosephus
Yep. A wild one indeed…and it’s not a good time to be criminally swarthy, Spanish surnamed or speak with an accent (well at least a Spanish one!)…
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm
The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity
New here, are you, your honor?
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:34 pm
“So if a white male driving a red jeep knocks off a liquor store then the police should not put out an APB with that description because they might accidentally pull over the wrong guy?”
That is NOT profiling. Profiling is, for instance, stopping every car that has an Hispanic man in it on the off-chance that they might be carrying drugs.
Profiling is done in the absence of a known crime, in the hopes of finding someone who is breaking the law. What you outlined is a search based on the KNOWN CHARATERISTICS of an ACTUAL criminal.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
7:35 pm
For the record, I’ve paid income tax every f-cking year I’ve ever f-cking worked so y’all can f-ck off with that f-cking “libruls pay no income taxes” f-cktardery.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:35 pm
actually, illegal immigration is a crime.
It is a crime, but it is a civil crime. It doesn’t even register as a misdemeanor crime. It’s simply a civil charge that carries a fine.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
7:36 pm
I just called the ilk lodge to find out when the illegal immigration celebrations would be. I was clearly informed that they will be conducted one week from today. Fireworks, hotdogs, hamburgers….. and parades.
All courtesy of the Ilk Lodge in your area. Ilk…they do liberal causes for good…..
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
7:36 pm
And that goes double for you, Sinkwich.
F. Sinkwich
June 27th, 2011
7:38 pm
“Profiling is, for instance, stopping every car that has an Hispanic man in it on the off-chance that they might be carrying drugs.”
Of course you, Doggone, can provide examples of that happening….
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
7:38 pm
They’re very rare, Bro, that’s why we don’t know much about them.
However…
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/195892/186/GRANT-PARK-Rare-Zoo-Atlanta-antelope-pregnant
ty webb
June 27th, 2011
7:39 pm
sorry brosephus, but U.S.C 8, section 1325 says otherwise…some people(not you) think if they repeat a lie over and over, it becomes fact. illegal immigration is a crime.
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
7:39 pm
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:31 pm
LMAO!! You are on a roll dude!
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
7:40 pm
And Waldo, don’t quit your day job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8fOgWbsjY
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
7:42 pm
One judge, one opinion, blah-blah-blah.
Since some seem interested in court rulings and someone asked about Blago-(D) and some were still wondering about that “Culture of Corruption” thingy:
Count 1-Wire fraud related to Children’s Memorial Hospital-GUILTY
Count 2-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 3-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 4-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 5-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 6-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 7-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 8-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 9-Wire fraud related to the Racing Bill-GUILTY
Count 10-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 11-Attempted extortion related to School Shakedown-NO VERDICT
Count 12-Attempted extortion related to Children’s Memorial Hospital-GUILTY
Count 13-Bribery related to Children’s Memorial Hospital-GUILTY
Count 14-Extortion conspiracy related to Racing Bill-GUILTY
Count 15-Bibery conspiracy related to Racing Bill-GUILTY
Count 16-Attempted Extortion related to Tollway Shakedown-NO VERDICT
Count 17-Bibery related to Tollway Shakedown-NOT GUILTY
Count 18-Extortion conspiracy related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 19-Attempted extortion related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 20-Bribery conspiracy related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/The-20-Counts-of-Blagojevich-123629399.html?dr#ixzz1QWSU1iOX
F. Sinkwich
June 27th, 2011
7:42 pm
Hey, stand, congratulations for being of of the lib ilk that actually gets a tax bill. Did you pay your taxes based on the pre-Bush rates? You know, tax cuts for the rich and all.
Please show your Mom your post as I’m sure she will be proud.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:43 pm
“Of course you, Doggone, can provide examples of that happening….”
“The issue of racial profiling by police briefly grabbed the attention of the press when New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman recently fired the head of the state police after he accused blacks and hispanics of being more likely to be drug dealers and therefore deserving of heightened police scrutiny. Whitman earned glowing coverage for her swift action”
http://www.counterpunch.org/drivingblack.html
todd
June 27th, 2011
7:44 pm
That the vast majority of people that respond to this post and others like it supporting tougher ILLEGAL immigration laws speaks volumes. Liberal Bookman and those that support allowing invaders to stay in our country without penalty are a small minority. Anyone with a brain understands that a society without laws and responsibilities will never stand. Together we will take back our country from these weak worthless liberal maggots in 2012. God will once again bless America.
josef
June 27th, 2011
7:44 pm
Brosephus
Is there a Lib Ilks Lodge? When do they meet? Want to sponsor me?
ZamVet
Uvalda: Where tradition meets tomorrow… not a bad motto…
Streetracer
June 27th, 2011
7:45 pm
As far as being here legally or not is civil or criminal, I don’t know. But I am pretty sure that it was a felony for my wife (paroled indefinately) to fail to report her address each year back in 60’s to mid or so 70’s.
Second point: Would it be acceptable for state/local governments to legislate workplace health and safety rules if the feds abdicated enforcement of OSHA as they have done with immigration law?
Real Scooter
June 27th, 2011
7:46 pm
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
7:35 pm
DUDE!!!!!!
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
7:47 pm
Carney: Obama Agrees GOP Approach To Budget Is “Immoral”
CHIP REID, CBS NEWS: “This weekend, when the Vice President was laying out all the things that you have to do and how much — when he said you have to ask those who are struggling in this economy to bear the burden and let the most fortunate among us off the hook, he said that borders on being immoral. Does the President agree with that?”
JAY CARNEY, WH PRESS SEC: “Why, I think he does. Yes.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why, I think we can agree; IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
7:48 pm
Entering this country illegally should be elevated to a very serious crime punishable by a minimum of ten years at hard labor. The hard labor could consist partly by picking produce in the hot South Georgia sun.
josef
June 27th, 2011
7:48 pm
Uncle Jed…
Looks like Blago is having a bad hair day…
todd
That G-d whose N-me you appear to me to be calling in vain, isn’t he the same G-d of the illegals or do they have a different one from yours?
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
7:50 pm
Yep!
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:51 pm
AmVet
When you show me pictures like that, I can smell the charcoal in the air. I’ve played the bongos before, but I’ve never ate one. I wonder if they taste like venison. I may have to call the zoo and ask somebody.
ty
There are different levels of crime. You have civil offenses, misdemeanor and felony offenses. Generally criminal offenses fall under either misdemeanor or felony labels. I have yet to find someone who can show that crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor or felony. Anytime I’ve done casework for someone who’s done as such, it’s a civil crime. I have yet to come across a misdemeanor illegal immigrant or felony illegal immigrant charge. If you can show me where either one of those exists, then prove me wrong.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
7:51 pm
Please show your Mom your post as I’m sure she will be proud.
I will when I see her in heaven, F.ctard Sinkwich.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
7:51 pm
AmVet…well let’s see. He does not have a hispanic surname so the cons can’t attack that. They can’t attack his record. There is that “un-Amerrican” statement: Chief Smith said, ‘I am excited to be the new Chief of Police for the City of Uvalda. My goals are to provide the best professional law enforcement possible and to maintain Uvalda as a crime-free city. This department will provide equal treatment for everyone and enforce the laws with dignity and respect.’
So when the cons have nothing…. it’s easier to say “well we wont even talk about ….[some implied nasty]” or “and I use that term loosely” Its the same as when the Birther in Chiffon implies that there is some being “hidden” by the President. Smears and innuendo have always been a part of the weak dirty political world.
josef
June 27th, 2011
7:52 pm
good fight
@ 7:36
Beat me to it…will you be my sponsor?
Waldo
June 27th, 2011
7:53 pm
Here’s what I don’t get in your logic Doggone/GA…
Cop pulls over a car. Driver barely speaks English and has no license & no insurance: to quote you, these are the KNOWN CHARATERISTICS of an ACTUAL criminal. (And yes, he’s a criminal – even if you and Brosephus seem to think his offense is on the same level as a parking ticket)
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
7:53 pm
Unemployment in Montgomery County where Vidalia and Uvalda is 12.2%.
http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/blsla/LAUCN13209003
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
7:53 pm
The hard labor could consist partly by picking produce in the hot South Georgia sun.
Or herding Liberal Ilk.
F. Sinkwich
June 27th, 2011
7:54 pm
Sounds like Christine is very PC, like the lib ilk.
Can you say RINO?
ty webb
June 27th, 2011
7:55 pm
Brosephus,
just because a fine is levied in most cases, doesn’t mean it’s not a crime. The code I cited says that the offense can be punishable by imprisonment. Illegal immigration is a crime.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
7:55 pm
“Or herding Liberal Ilk.”
Good point. liberals do have a herd mentality.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
7:56 pm
“these are the KNOWN CHARATERISTICS of an ACTUAL criminal”
And what ACTUAL CRIME was committed before that particular man was stopped? What apb went out in advance?
Being Hispanic and speaking an Hispanic language is not a crime in this country. Not yet.
How many white, blonde men were NOT stopped who might also have spoken a foreign language and had no license?
Driving while brown is not a crime.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
7:56 pm
josef
I’ve seen the BPO Elks, but when I tried http://www.ilks.org/
I got some computer mumbo jumbo. They must have a super duper secret website. I’ll check with some of my Masonic brothers to see if they know.
I just love how Conservatives try to claim intellectual and moral superiority by trying to demonize and disparage their counterparts. Some people use the term Liberal here like it’s the steam coming from Satan’s piss. I shall declare the month of July as Mental Midgetry™ Month so people can smear everything they desire with the term Liberal. Maybe I can get Baskin Robbins to make a Liberal flavor of ice cream. That should go over well over this weekend.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
7:58 pm
Muslim: Such a look policy cannot be squared with our shared values. No worker should have to choose between their religion and their job.”
Christian have to do it all the time, where are their rights? And what is this with patting down a 95 year old woman? Racial profiling should be used – If you’re offended, drive. I don’t give a terd. I am sick and tired or political correctness. When white males or females start blowing up planes, then talk to me. And don’t bring up the OK bomber, he didn’t use a plane.
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
7:59 pm
Yeah, stands, that was exquisite.
Bro, you are one bad bongo playing (Shut your mouth!) carnivore. Really cracked me up.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
7:59 pm
Since I haven’t said it yet, thank God there are still some rational Republicans in the Northeast. Them what voted for gay marriage I mean.
And since I haven’t said this yet, all those pathetic guys downstairs offering their uber-pathic bible-literalist cases against the scourge of homersexualisty? y’all can suck on it. losers!
Goes double for you, mmm mmm mmm trooool.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:01 pm
Brosephus
Masons have NOTHING to do with BPOE Elks. My father was an Elk for years.
Just another dumbasss LIBERAL with their head up their asss.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
8:01 pm
josef…I’d gladly sponsor you. Just watch out for the background checks and the application. We’re practising “gotcha” applications. Like Q21: What kind of automatic firearm did Paul Revere carry on his famous midnight ride ringing the Liberty Bell and warning the Brit Ilks”? the answer is tricky….NONE, his helicopter had rocket launchers.
Waldo
June 27th, 2011
8:02 pm
Funny how you twist thing Doggone – Driving while brown, LOL. That’s how Libs operate – they assume that anytime a ‘person of color’ gets pulled over it’s strictly because of their race.
It was a broken tail light, or illegal lane change, or speeding, or expired registration, or littering or any number of other reasons that could get you, me or anyone pulled over.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:02 pm
stands for decibels
When fags can start pro-creating on their own, come talk to me.
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:03 pm
IT IS THE MISSION OF THE UVALDA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SERVE ALL PEOPLE WITH
From the Uvalda website…sorry about the caps, that’s theirs not mine…but, uh, that last phrase “…with respect and dignity regardless of an indiidual’s demographic background…”
Sounds plumb socialistic and unAmerican to me…
INTEGRITY AND RESPECT, WHILE ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIVES. THE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO THE SERVICE OF THE COMMUNITY THROUGH EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE POLICING, MAINTAINING THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF INTEGRITY, ETHICS AND HONESTY WHILE PROMOTING THE PROFESSIONALISM OF DEPARTMENTAL PERSONNEL AND TREATING THE PUBLIC WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY REGARDLESS OF AN INDIVIDUALS DEMOGRAPHIC BACKGROUND
6/27 – ajc.com – Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’ | Jay Bookman « GIRRC – Georgia Immigrant & Refugee Rights Coalition
June 27th, 2011
8:04 pm
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Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:05 pm
“It was a broken tail light, or illegal lane change, or speeding, or expired registration, or littering or any number of other reasons that could get you, me or anyone pulled over”
But none of that is profiling either. Those are observable violations. That is stopping someone BECAUSE OF an illegality. Just pulling them over because they MIGHT be illegal is profiling.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:06 pm
“When fags can start pro-creating on their own, come talk to me”
Ummm…NO ONE procreates on their own.
todd
June 27th, 2011
8:06 pm
Josef,
If they do not follow the bible than they definitely have a different god than the real god – Jesus. This is what my god says about abiding laws:
Romans 13
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:06 pm
Brosephus
They’re back! Got any good recipes for iron rails?
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
8:07 pm
Just another dumbasss LIBERAL with their head up their ass
Lessee… if you put the mmm mmm mmm troll + Brosephus in an iron cage fight to the death, who comes out alive?
Anyone betting on the troll?
anyone?
(It’s ok, mm mmm. You’re still a man. kinda.)
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:08 pm
Doggone/GA
Duh, a married MAN and WOMAN can. TWO men or women CAN’T without either a male sperm donor, or a woman to carry the baby to term.
Your ingnorace contines to amaze.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:08 pm
“If they do not follow the bible”
Which Bible?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:09 pm
stands for decibels
Oh, I AM a real man, come by and I will show you.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:09 pm
Driver barely speaks English and has no license & no insurance: to quote you, these are the KNOWN CHARATERISTICS of an ACTUAL criminal.
Waldo
Have you ever thought that a German Tourist driving along the coast in Sarasota, FL would not speak much English, not have a driver’s license, or proof of insurance. Does that automatically make that person an illegal immigrant? You need to know what would make a person an illegal immigrant in the first place before you try to go criminalizing people all over the country. I bet you didn’t know that someone could be lawfully permitted to enter the United States, not overstay their admission, but still be an illegal immigrant even though they have an admission stamp in their passport.
ty
The part of 8 USC you’re referring to would apply to people caught by ICE. They do time in the federal pen, then they’re deported. I’ve processed many people who have previous deportations and are now either residents or citizens. They have an arrest on their record, but the charge does not show a criminal charge. There is no misdemeanor or felony level for present without inspection or deportation. It’s a civil charge. A civil charge can involve jail time.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:09 pm
“Duh, a married MAN and WOMAN can”
funny, that’s what *I* said: no ONE procreates on their own
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:10 pm
stands for decibels
There is ONLY ONE Bible. You should read it.
Rick in Grayson
June 27th, 2011
8:10 pm
The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”
If these immigrants are illegal aliens then this local law enforcement officers sees fit to ignore the “rule of law”, the very thing that he was elected to do! This law enforcement official should be removed from office.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
8:10 pm
Stands….no need to bet or imagine. It’s already been done. Here’s the film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUxR965b4LU
ty webb
June 27th, 2011
8:12 pm
Brosephus,
sorry, but illegal immigration is a crime.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:12 pm
“There is ONLY ONE Bible. You should read it”
I have copies of 6 different versions, and I’ve read all of them.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:12 pm
Masons have NOTHING to do with BPOE Elks. My father was an Elk for years.
Just another dumbasss LIBERAL with their head up their asss.
Nope, your assumption is just more Mental Midgetry™ from a pseudo-conservative. I’ve been a Mason for 20 years, and I had uncles who were Elks, so I’m well aware of that, dumbass. Why don’t you stick to shoving crayons in electrical outlets or something more on your level of thinking and stay out of grown folks conversations?
Streetracer
June 27th, 2011
8:13 pm
Doggone/GA: Since “fags” is plural I don’t think that whoever it was said anything about “NO ONE procreates on their own”
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:13 pm
Doggone/GA
Guess again. TWO homosexuals can NOT do it – I said NOTHING about an individual. Typical liberal, the facts don’t mean anything to you. Only a man & woman can do that. If all we had were homosexuals on earth, the world would end in about 100 years.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
8:13 pm
And by “a man”, in mm mmm’s case, I mean “not really.”
More like this.
Anyway, good luck tryin’ to get that thar Consteetooshun amended to keep Teh Ghey Marriage from infectin’ yer state. hee hee.
to the rest–pleasant evening, all.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:14 pm
ty
I’m not disputing it’s a crime. DUH!!! As I said, there are different levels of crime. Your fellow conservatives are trying to make them felons, when it’s a civil charge. It’s not like I haven’t been dealing with this sh*t for a few years now.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:14 pm
Brosephus
You proved my point again, thanks!
rightwing troll
June 27th, 2011
8:14 pm
I see Andy’s back in her porch dog glory.. still scared of them gays and illegals… and still claiming to be a man…
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:14 pm
“I said NOTHING about an individual”
no ONE – references an indvidual
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
8:15 pm
Doggone/GA @8:06,
The lurking bomb tosser finally arrives, and then proceeds to screw up the joke.
What a hoot.
So I guess nobody from earlier found anything dirty on this cop? LOL…
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm
oops! Had the wrong word copied!
“own” – references one
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm
“If all we had were homosexuals on earth, the world would end in about 100 years.”
No, the world would continue. People would end in about 80 years. Is that really a bad thing?
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm
josef
I’m thinking of iron rails braised in a lemon dill butter…
@@
June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm
jay doesn’t have to read Sooth’s link, he lives it.
Reporters often spend days finding little or nothing of significance.
schnirt
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm
Doggone
D*mn, Woman, don’t you ever read the memos? Which Bible, the King James Version, you know the language Jesus spoke…now, how many more times do I have to tell you that…
And incidentally…I was reading the Cherokee translation late last night…it’s really interesting to see how certain concepts are expressed…
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:16 pm
Doggone/GA
Admit it, you were wrong (fags is not one person).
Tbone
June 27th, 2011
8:18 pm
ignore all laws- the libs won’t survive more than 2 days- kind of like barbara streisand living without mineral water and makeup
jack bull
June 27th, 2011
8:18 pm
Judge: ‘Ga welcomes anyone and everyone to come live here, work here, raise a family here, legally….just like the immigrant that just paid 25k to be here, legally’
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:18 pm
““If all we had were homosexuals on earth, the world would end in about 100 years.””
Not as long as they are proficient in artificial insemination.
Rafe Hollister
June 27th, 2011
8:18 pm
The judge’s opinion sounded like it was written by Amvet or someother leftwing blogger. Where was the law, precedents, o rlegal logic. It was just an opinion or his preferences on border control.
What would the left say if Roe v Wade was overturned with a majority opinion of “we feel the destruction of fetuses is wrong”.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:19 pm
Soothsayer
The world would end if no one recreates you say 80 years, I’ll stick with 100 years, since people are living longer.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:19 pm
@@ you at least read some of the article and for that I commend you. I think Jay woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Or, what the heck, maybe it’s just Monday!!
ty webb
June 27th, 2011
8:19 pm
“If all we had were homosexuals on earth, the world would end in about 100 years.”
don’t know about that, but earth would be unbelievably well decorated.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 27th, 2011
8:20 pm
Why don’t you stick to shoving crayons in electrical outlets or something more on your level of thinking and stay out of grown folks conversations?
Well, I think Bookman just woke up.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:21 pm
“And incidentally…I was reading the Cherokee translation late last night…it’s really interesting to see how certain concepts are expressed”
I bet. Not speaking the language, I can’t share in reading that one. One version I’ve always wanted to get was the one that only uses (I think) 100 words in English.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:22 pm
“Admit it, you were wrong (fags is not one person).”
but “own” IS
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 27th, 2011
8:22 pm
Doggone/GA – I didn’t include that, that’s not the same as a SAME sex marriage. If you need help creating, then you are changing the “man and woman can cocreate but two gays can’t,” PERIOD.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:23 pm
Or, you know what, he could’ve eaten some under-cooked fried turkey at that shindig that he callously forgot to invite all of us to!
F. Sinkwich
June 27th, 2011
8:23 pm
” Maybe I can get Baskin Robbins to make a Liberal flavor of ice cream.”
It will cost more than you want to pay, but you’ll be forced to pay for it, and will taste like sh*t. Oh, and you’ll have to buy one for anyone in line who can’t prove they’re legal.
@@
June 27th, 2011
8:26 pm
Sooth:
I think Jay woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
My day went downhill when I discovered four of my BEST tomato plants (cages and all) laying on the ground. Yesterday’s wind got ‘em…pulled ‘em up by the roots.
I’m hoping they survive. They’re loaded with tomatoes.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:26 pm
Maybe I can get Baskin Robbins to make a conservative flavor of ice cream.
It costs out the a$$hole and when all is said and done you don’t get no ice cream at all. They take your money and spend it on guns and tanks.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:29 pm
You proved my point again, thanks!
You had a point somewhere???? Congratulations, at least that means you’re now allowed to play with pointy things. I think a celebration is in order…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sKrwsHweGc
oldguy
June 27th, 2011
8:29 pm
OK Bookman …… Now give us the real story ….. Who appointed this “Judge” and what is his background. As we all know those are the most important factors in judicial rulings!! The state’s ability to govern itself plays no part in judicial ruling, only the IMPERIAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has power.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:30 pm
“They take your money and spend it on guns and tanks.”
Do you mind a “correction”? “They take your money and give it someone else who already has a lot, then borrow the money to buy guns and tanks”
Jack
June 27th, 2011
8:30 pm
Your crops are going to rot on the vine because of a lack of workers and you are going to pay thru the nose for produce going forward. Enjoy. Ye shall reap the fruits of what ye have sown.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:30 pm
@@ I sure am sorry to hear that! It’s not too late to start new vines. How goes the job situation? Were you able to find anything else?
rightwing troll
June 27th, 2011
8:31 pm
Andy plays with pointy things all the time, why she just had her white pointy hat on at last nights Klan meeting…
oldguy
June 27th, 2011
8:31 pm
Hey Soothsayer,
At least the guns and tanks will be made in the USA!!!!
Try naming something else made in the USA!!
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:32 pm
At least some of the guns and tanks will be made in the USA!!!!
That would be a bit more accurate. Hell, we’re even importing firepower nowadays.
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:33 pm
Sinkwich
@ 8:23
Okay, rather not, but good one!
Doggone
I’ve seen that one before. I don’t have a copy. If I ever run into one, I’ll let you know…
As for the Cherokee…I don’t read it well without a glossary at hand and it’s slow going, but it is enlightening, especially when put up against the Hebrew and Greek. A lot of things translate better from there than from English as far as subtleties are concerned…this is my “new” intrigue, something to while away the late night hours in my old age contemplating my own oblivion…
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:34 pm
Oldguy: not very many.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:35 pm
“At least the guns and tanks will be made in the USA!!!!”
Like that contract for the Airbus refuelers they pushed through?
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:36 pm
Doggone
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:36 pm
“I’ve seen that one before. I don’t have a copy. If I ever run into one, I’ll let you know”
Thanks!
jack bull
June 27th, 2011
8:37 pm
Jack’s right, produce will go thru the roof, just like groceries in general, seeing as we can’t drill here, drill now and produce more of our own fuel. and your power bill will also go thru the roof, cap and trade. but he’s right.
reward the rich, they do all the hiring
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:38 pm
Brosephus, I was glad when that particular contract got shot down. I was not happy with something so crucial being made by an non-American company. There ARE limits to globalization!
Streetracer
June 27th, 2011
8:39 pm
I believe that I quoted you exactly and your 8:22 post proves my point.
BTW haven’t we gotten a long way from the origional subject?
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:39 pm
“reward the rich, they do all the hiring”
Reward the poor, they do the spending that enables the rich to hire
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:40 pm
Labor Arbitrage Is Disappearing For Outsourcing Manufacturing To China And Services To India
I’ve reported recently (see posts here and here) about the Boston Consulting Group’s prediction of a pending manufacturing renaissance in America because the labor arbitrage gains from manufacturing products in China are starting to shrink and will eventually disappear. Cost advantages for manufacturing are starting to shift back to America because of rising wages in China, along with rising prices there in general and an appreciating currency.
A ray of hope in an otherwise bleak landscape? Bookmark this a read it later.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:40 pm
“BTW haven’t we gotten a long way from the origional subject?”
You must be new here.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:40 pm
Doggone
The sad thing is that there are those who would sell this whole country to outsiders for the right price. My awakening was years ago when I read a story about how many of our cultural landmarks like the Sears Tower and the Empire State Building were owned by foreigners. That taught me that there are many who would sell anything, regardless to national security implications, to whomever bid the most.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:42 pm
Just remember:
I don’t have a job because the economy’s bad, the economy’s bad because I don’t have a job.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:43 pm
“That taught me that there are many who would sell anything, regardless to national security implications, to whomever bid the most.”
It does, to some extent, but actually I never had a problem with the selling of any sort of real estate to foreigners. As I told my Mother, they still have to pay taxes…but they can’t vote. And they can’t cart the real estate away to some other country, either.
theeyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
8:44 pm
Brosephus,
And then we borrowed from China to finance our adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Streetracer
June 27th, 2011
8:44 pm
Doggone/GA @ 8:40 – Are you really so effing aggorant that you think you should control the direction of conversation?
getalife
June 27th, 2011
8:44 pm
“Now they will start fires .” McInsane.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:46 pm
“Are you really so effing aggorant that you think you should control the direction of conversation?”
I guess you aren’t new here after all.
oldguy
June 27th, 2011
8:47 pm
Hey Josef,
go out to a sportsbar and have a pint of stout!!
“this is my “new” intrigue, something to while away the late night hours in my old age contemplating my own oblivion…”
TAKE A BREAK; your are too serious!!!!
Whaheema
June 27th, 2011
8:47 pm
Jay.. Surely ypu are not suggesting that people who are here illegally are not in violation of the law. My comparison stands.
If there were some technicality, my comparison stands still. The judge made a decision on emotion, not the law.
jack bull
June 27th, 2011
8:47 pm
didn’t know the poor could spend without getting paid
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:48 pm
“Are you really so effing aggorant that you think you should control the direction of conversation?
Why, no! Officer I’m not drunk! Sometimes my tang gets tonguled up is all!
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:49 pm
Doggone
The real estate isn’t much of an issue to me. However, it showed me that there’s no limits to the things that some will sell.
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:49 pm
Streetcar…
@ 8:44
Say what? Doggone’s about the last one to try to control the direction of the conversation…she’s the original stream of consciousness one! You must be new here…
BADA BING
June 27th, 2011
8:50 pm
So there are aliens in Uvalda. Have you seen a OB-GYN?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
8:50 pm
Speaking of ice cream, I believe Ben & Jerry’s has created a flavor for Liberals, Imagine Whirled Peace, and one to represent the Con world, Clusterfluff. Other suggestions for the cons ideas: Half-baked and What a Cluster.
All sides of course claim Colbert’s Americone Dream…but the joke is on the cons.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:51 pm
“didn’t know the poor could spend without getting paid”
And they can’t be paid without spending
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:51 pm
However, it showed me that there’s no limits to the things that some will sell”
yep, no question there
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:52 pm
Parasite + opportunity = productive citizen
Are there those who will game the system? Yes. I personally believe, though, that >99% of people would like nothing more than to earn an honest living. That’s what I think.
jack bull
June 27th, 2011
8:52 pm
which came first, the chicken or the egg..
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm
josef
When I see posts like those directed at Doggone, two thoughts immediately spring to mind….
Thought #1…
Thought #2…
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm
oldguy
Me? Serious?
Only late at night…otherwise I come in here…keeps me young (well, juvenile anyway!) Can’t have the stout anymore…have to stick to the red wine…
oldguy
June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm
BINGO Whaheema !!
theeyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
8:54 pm
Whaheema said, The judge made a decision on emotion, not the law.
hmm. How does one learn of the emotional state of a judge from afar? And how is it that one from afar can assume to know more about the law than a judge. My money is on the judge.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
8:54 pm
which came first, the chicken or the egg
The dinosaur….chickensaurus.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:54 pm
“which came first, the chicken or the egg..”
The egg. Dinosaurs were laying eggs LONG before they evolved into birds
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:56 pm
Josef – thanks!
And Brosephus – too funny!
oldguy
June 27th, 2011
8:57 pm
I am supposed to drink wine also! (How many guys would pay for that proscription!!). Still love the stout!!! (local microbrews)
Have a good evening!
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
8:57 pm
“How does one learn of the emotional state of a judge from afar?”
Didn’t you know? They’re all issued crystal balls.
BADA BING
June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm
“seeks a climate of hostility,fear, mistrust, insecurity”. We could be talking about Chicago, MARTA, Clayton County, ATL School System, or Bookman’s Blog.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm
Bro: that “Thought # 2″ went straight to the “bookmarks!” Too perfect!
josef
June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm
jack bull
http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/w/which_came_first_the_chicken_or_the_egg.asp
Brosephus
@ 8:53
Yep!
theyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
8:59 pm
Doggone,
Aha! I might have known.
Brosephus
June 27th, 2011
9:00 pm
Guess I’m gonna call it a night… Y’all have fun and play nice with each other.
Later!!!
getalife
June 27th, 2011
9:01 pm
“Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs”
theyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
9:04 pm
getalife,
Some of my best friends are dinosaurs.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:04 pm
A Good Texan:
“I saw a fundamentalist Muslim extremist fall into the Rio Grande River this morning; he was struggling to stay afloat because of all the guns and bombs he was carrying.
Along with him was an illegal Hispanic drug cartel member who was also struggling to stay afloat because of the large backpack of drugs that was strapped to his back.
If they didn’t get help, they’d surely drown.
Being a responsible Texan and abiding by the law to help those in distress, I informed the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office and Homeland Security. It is now 4pm, both have drowned, and neither authority has responded.
I’m starting to think I wasted two stamps.”
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
9:06 pm
“Aha! I might have known”
and there’s an answer to the “hiring first or spending first” question too: spending comes first. Because the proprieter (sp?) of a business only hires additional workers when the demand (spending) for his product becomes more than the current numbers in his business can handle. When he needs more help, he hires.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:06 pm
Good fight:
Speaking of Ice Cream !!!
I was listening to the radio awhile ago and someone was talking about homemade ice cream. Nothin’ better than fresh peach !
Anyway, I also remember it as a “right of passage” for a young man say – 15 to 17 years of age.
Why? Well, if you could start cranking that churn (adding the ice and salt by yourself) from the “git-go” when it was pure liquid all of the way to the last grind when it was ready to eat ……… without “wimping out” and asking for help …………… you were a “man” …………. sort of ……………
) !
I had to add a few more things in the Marine Corps but ah, for the good old days !
getalife
June 27th, 2011
9:10 pm
eyes,
I liked Dino.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:11 pm
Uncle Jed:
“. It also deadlocked on the one count alleging Blagojevich shook down then-U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel.”
This is exactly why the case was shut down so early ……. instead of letting the deal go through.
The Bush administration was scared stiff of this continuing and possibly (I say possibly) haviing the first black President-Elect of the United States on tape as an “unindicted co-conspirator” or even worse for an indictable offense (or his Chief of Staff).
They just didn’t want to risk that (and the tumult to the country that would have ensured) so they “shut it down”.
theyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
9:11 pm
Scout,
Let me take you back in time. It is the year 2006. G. W. Bush is the POTUS.
Three Texas surgeons are posturing for bragging rights over who is the best surgeon. Says the first, “I am the greatest surgeon. Just the other day, I sawed a man’s hand back on, and now he’s a well-known classical pianist.” Says the second, “That’s nothing. I had a guy who lost both legs. I sewed them back on, and now he’s on the Olympic Track & Field Team.” Says the third, “That ain’t nothing. Some time back, a guy on a horse was hit by a train. All I had to work with was a cowboy and a horse’s a** and not he’s president of the United States!”
@@
June 27th, 2011
9:13 pm
Sooth:
@@ I sure am sorry to hear that! It’s not too late to start new vines. How goes the job situation? Were you able to find anything else?
I wasn’t looking for another job. I don’t HAVE to work, I just like what I’ve been doing.
I’ll be back on payroll when the new school years starts.
One of the teachers is being forced to relocate. Her husband died.
josef
June 27th, 2011
9:13 pm
getalife
“Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs
And now they’re back to return the favor!
Streetracer
June 27th, 2011
9:15 pm
Josef @ 8:49: didn’t really intend to single out Doggone, just came out that way. You and I have talked before (mostly about your book – pretty good I thought (hope sales were good).
However no-one as addressed my concerns
1) If it was for several years a felony for legal immigrants to not report their address, why should it be only a cival “crime” to be here illegally?
2). If Feds abdicated enforcement of other federal law should States have the right to enforce those laws? Example being environmental regs where enforcement, permitting, etc has been “delegated” to state/local agencies.
theyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
9:15 pm
Sooth,
Are you a teacher?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:16 pm
Law Enforcement Officers ………. Warning !
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2011/06/27/story-delaware-woman-accused-spraying-deputies-breast-milk.html
jack bull
June 27th, 2011
9:18 pm
yes!! i recently found out that strip clubs will take my EBT card…..
Bud Wiser
June 27th, 2011
9:18 pm
“In small towns like Uvalda,” ( Chief) Smith told the court, “life is more personal. As chief, I get to know people for who they are, rather than just a statistic or a word such as ‘illegal.’ The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”
Translations:
…If you bring fresh donuts into my office every morning, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend
…If I like you, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend
…If Farmer Jones needs you to harvest them peanuts, and someone can let him know I know, and I still have my eye on his pretty daughter, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend
…If you can ‘donate’ a little cash to the city or police fund, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend.
What a bunch of crap.
Does it never cross any of these stupid minds that like it or not, these people committed a CRIME to be here illegally? Isn’t by definition and implication that if someone is here illegally, they have by nature committed a crime, and are criminals?
Duh.
Stupid liberals.
josef
June 27th, 2011
9:20 pm
Streetracer..
Got it…
thanks for the compliment…dickering with the Chinese on the rights there now…sales a little better than I would have expected, nothing spectacular…picked up by a couple of schools up in New Jersey…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:22 pm
Streetracer:
Something I heard earlier today.
This Republic is in fact a “States Rights” Republic inspite of the fact that the 10th Amendment has been prostituted down through the years !
Why is that ?
Because, if it ever came right down to it (worst case scenario) 2/3rd’s of the STATES can call for a Constitutional Convention and trump ANYTHING the federal government or the Supreme Court has done ………. simply by amending the Constitution.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:23 pm
eyes:
LOL !
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
9:23 pm
“didn’t really intend to single out Doggone, just came out that way. ”
considering that I made an innocuous comment that had nothing to do with anything ELSE you’ve said and you jumped on me like I cussed you out…I think you owe me an apology.
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
9:26 pm
And wassup with this crazy prescrip drug crime crap?
I’m thankful that when I was young we had LSD, mescalin, peyote and psyilicibin to experiment with, instead of these dangerous and addicting licit pharmaceuticals.
LOL…
jack bull
June 27th, 2011
9:28 pm
i’m trying to find out if i can go on vacation using nothing but my EBT card. i would love to go visit my cousin, who is a Navy Corpseman. he’s stationed in, dang, i forget which one of the 57 states he’s in.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:32 pm
josef:
AH …………………… I THINK THE PENDING REPEAL OF “DON’T ASS, DON’T TAIL” HAS ALREADY MADE IT TO MARKETING AT “SGT. GRIT’S” PLACE.
THE “OOHRAH” SHORTS SHOULD SELL WELL …………………
http://www.grunt.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=OOHRAH+SHORTS
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
9:36 pm
Sometimes you just can’t say it any better than this! Enjoy!
Just Asking
June 27th, 2011
9:37 pm
Why doesn’t someone buy that police chief a map. There a lot of jails closer than 40 miles. Is he really that stupid?
@@
June 27th, 2011
9:38 pm
Connecting donors to White House and campaign officials is a critical part of the process, fundraisers said. Personal contact is the best, but potential donors are also frequently invited to participate in conference calls with top campaign strategists and presidential aides.
“The best way to get people motivated, I’ve found, is to make them feel like they’re on the inside,” Shaw said.
As if !!!
Some people can be easily fooled.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:41 pm
Headline: “WASHINGTON, June 27 (Reuters) – The Supreme Court is to rule on whether a 220-year-old amendment to the U.S. Constitution prevents police from using 21st century tracking technology to keep tabs on criminal suspects.
The court said on Monday it would decide whether police need a warrant to use a global positioning system device to track a suspect’s movements in a case about privacy rights and new surveillance technology.
It agreed to hear an Obama administration appeal arguing that secretly attaching the tracking device to the suspect’s vehicle to monitor his movements did not violate his constitutional privacy rights.”
Well, let’s see now …………. as long as the device was put on when the vehicle was in a public area ……… it shouldn’t be a problem. It’s just an enhancement like binoculars or “glow in the dark” invisible paint for infared scopes on helicopters, etc., etc. Oooops! Am I giving away too much to the ACLU already ?
It’s sure a lot easier than shall we say an “accident” causing a rear headlight to be busted out just a little so as the make the vehicle “distinctive” and easier to follow at night ……………………….
)
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
9:43 pm
@@: How much do you think the Koch brothers are good for?
buck@gon
June 27th, 2011
9:48 pm
It is amusing to note that a judge ruling ostesibly on the LAW would find in his ruling elements of hostility mistrust fear and insecurity–hardly legal issues. As self evident by jay’s use of them, they belong only in the column of a second rate editorialist.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
9:50 pm
Hummmmm ………………. the plot thickens !
HEADLINE: “Feds find fix was in on ’study’ of homosexuality in ranks”
“Inspector General says executive summary written BEFORE troops surveyed”
“A previously undisclosed report by the inspector general of the Department of Defense concludes that the fix – maybe even handed down by the White House – was in before the military ever started asking soldiers and sailors about how opening the ranks to homosexuals would affect the nation’s defense.
The 33-page report is marked “For Official Use Only” and describes an “Investigation of improper disclosure of For Official Use Only information from the Comprehensive Review Working Group draft report.”
It was that report that famously was quoted as affirming “70 percent” of the nation’s military members believe the repeal of the long-standing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” practice of allowing homosexuals to serve as long as they kept their sexual lifestyle choices to themselves would have either “a neutral or positive impact on unit cohesion, readiness, effectiveness and morale…”
Take a guided tour into the future of the U.S. military once homosexuality is welcomed with open arms. Read Whistleblower’s special issue, “DROPPING THE ‘H’-BOMB,” online FREE here!
However, the IG documents how the co-chair of the commission working on the assessment, Jeh Johnson, “read portions of ‘an early draft’ of the executive summary … to a former news anchor, a close personal friend visiting Mr. Johnson’s home” THREE DAYS BEFORE service members even were given the survey.”
@@
June 27th, 2011
9:53 pm
Sooth:
@@: How much do you think the Koch brothers are good for?
I have no idea. I don’t concern myself with how much money OTHER people have.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
9:57 pm
The President’s first term is going splendidly.
@@
June 27th, 2011
10:00 pm
The Japanese people never cease to amaze me.
Elders Offer Help at Crippled Reactor
Not only do they have some of the skills needed, but because of their advanced age, they are at less risk of getting cancer and other diseases that develop slowly as a result of exposure to high levels of radiation. Their volunteering would spare younger Japanese from dangers that could leave them childless, or worse.
“We have to contain this accident, and for that, someone should do the work,” said Mr. Yamada, a retired plant engineer who had worked for Sumitomo Metal Industries. “It would benefit society if the older generation took the job because we will get less damage from working there.”
Sacrificing themselves so the next generation doesn’t have to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/world/asia/28fukushima.html
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
10:03 pm
@@: you just don’t get it! I have wealth envy! I don’t care how much money the Koch Brothers have! It was a joke — like how much are the Koch Brothers going to contribute to Obama’s election campaign.
Some of the happiest times of my life were when I literally didn’t have a pot to pi$$ is.
Oh! and Scout: I recently had some minor surgery and the doctor insisted on prescribing Percocet. I still have most of them — they frighten me!
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
10:05 pm
“I still have most of them — they frighten me!”
Yeah, they scare me too. I have to literally be sitting on the bed when I take one. I don’t care how long they SAY it takes to hit your system, for me it’s literally seconds!
escaped Emory monkey
June 27th, 2011
10:08 pm
“U.S. District Judge Thomas Thrash has blocked enforcement…”
Thrash = Clinton appointee
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
10:08 pm
Scout, re: your 9:50?
Doesn’t matter. You don’t decide Constitutional issues (equal protection under the law) via polling numbers.
You do it by principle.
And guess what? If 80% of our military had issues with serving with gay people, I’d discharge the 80% and keep the rest, because I don’t want anyone defending our Constitution who only fights for the parts he or she agrees with.
And that includes narrow-minded bigots like you.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
10:09 pm
“The President’s first term is going splendidly.”
Yeah, if you consider the Titanic as a great example of a successful voyage . . .
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
10:10 pm
Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
Or could it be possible; perhaps at least slightly plausible; that a voting majority of the Georgia legislature, not unlike several sister states in our great union, have reached a point of frustration with our federal government failing to secure our nation’s borders and uphold existing immigration statutes?!? Well, could it be? IMHO, our border security has been prostituted for votes and IMHO, that is wrong; it stinks; and it will lead us all to a place we will not enjoy in the long term; much less those coming after us; say our children and their children and then their children.
Think past your personal politics and consider our nation’s sovereignty. It matters!
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
10:12 pm
“Yeah, if you consider the Titanic as a great example of a successful voyage”
I saw a show once that claimed that due to the way the Titanic was constructed, she might have survived that iceberg if the Captain had turned her and rammed it head on.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:18 pm
Titanic? Reminds me of Obamacare- a sizeable monstrosity doomed for failure right out of the gate.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
10:19 pm
Dave R.:
You forgot one thing.
As of today, “Don’t Ass, Don’t Tail” is still the law of the land as upheld by the Supreme Court.
If that makes me a bigot I am proud of it !!!
getalife
June 27th, 2011
10:20 pm
I did three bottles of a hundred percocets after surgery.
The big shots of morphine was much better.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
10:21 pm
Dave,
Compared to w losing millions of jobs, it is much better.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:21 pm
Something tells me you’ve still on drugs given your statements.
Upton Sinclair (Unsung)
June 27th, 2011
10:23 pm
Sinclair was disappointed by the impact of The Jungle. It was written as a cry for social justice, stressing the importance of taking care of society’s working class by redefining human rights. It had also depicted the corrupting nature of capitalism, a game where only a very few can reach the “American Dream” exclusively by the exploitation of expendable immigrant workers. Unfortunately for Sinclair, the public reacted with their stomachs. Congress enacted the Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act of 1906, but the book did not do anything major pertaining to improving workers’ rights, and democratic socialism never became a major American political party. Although The Jungle was supposed to be what Harriet Beecher Stowe’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin did for slavery, The Jungle did not achieve its paramount goal. There are several reasons for its failure. For one, The Jungle’s realism undermines its socialist message. The concrete examples of dangerous meat products are considered a more important matter to take care of than the abstract message that oppressing immigrant workers is wrong and should be solved by converting everyone to the ideals of Socialism. Another reason was the discrimination and alienation of African Americans in The Jungle; although racism was still rampant in the early 1900’s, many people were offended by the book’s way of victimizing blacks, thus discouraging some would-be socialists. Driven by his want to better society, he wrote The Jungle as a means to convince others, especially appealing to the middle and upper classes, to convert their political philosophy to one that was then called the American Socialist Party. Upton Sinclair had become so blind to his own faith in socialism that he had substantially biased the book, having published the book punctuated with distorting “facts.” A case in point was the government meat inspectors’ accusal of Sinclair’s testimony: some of the sausages supposedly had human parts accidentally inserted in them. After inspecting the very same meat packing plants (Armour & Co., Swift, Morris, and Hammond) and finding no evidence of some “facts”, some seeds of doubt had begun to germinate, instigating some critics to condemn him of being a propagandist, and even worse, a phony. As distrust and skepticism from the government officials brought about doubt to Upton Sinclair’s works, supporters of the “beef trust” took immediate action to dismantle Upton Sinclair’s credibility as a writer. His reputation was so tarnished that even the audience who initially appreciated The Jungle would sneer at him and even today, the damage still takes its toll: “apart from The Jungle, Sinclair’s works have been largely forgotten, or perhaps simply mislaid, his name confused with that of Sinclair Lewis, the author of Main Street, Babbitt, and Dodsworth” (Denby 32).
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:23 pm
He just proved yet again he’s still on drugs with the nonsense that Bush lost millions of jobs. Somebody get that boy into rehab and out of the liberal fantasy land of blue unicorns.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
10:24 pm
“I did three bottles of a hundred percocets after surgery.” Yee owwww! That must’ve been some comedown.
Anyhow, here’s a faery tale dream I want to share with you.
I think you will find it enlightening.
Streetracer
June 27th, 2011
10:28 pm
Doggone/GA – since my orgioanl post only said that plural and singular were not the same, I don’t think I owe you anything.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
10:30 pm
” I don’t think I owe you anything”
My comment was ONLY about the part I quoted. Just as here. And your reply tells me everything I need to know.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
10:31 pm
Doom,
Just Lortabs and about ten other drugs.
Breakfast of Champions.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:35 pm
getalife,
Looks like you and Rush Limbaugh do have a lot in common. Who woulda guessed it?
theyeshaveit
June 27th, 2011
10:38 pm
Thulsa,
Who’s smoking what? No pipe dream here; just the facts (albeit a bit dated it shows that we lost 4.5 million jobs under W.).
http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978035096
getalife
June 27th, 2011
10:40 pm
Doom,
Rush liked oxy’s to get high.
I take drugs because I have chronic pain for the rest of my life.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:44 pm
theyeshaveit,
Nope according to the Bureau of Labor statistics we gained 4.5 million jobs under Bush. Look at the monthly numbers of when Bush took office vs when he left. Even our host Jay was forced to acknowledge this. Please read below and put down the oxycontin bottle.
chuck
June 2nd, 2011
8:47 pm
Oh, and BTW, Your assertion that Bush had fewer employed when he left than when he arrived is patently false. He had a net increase in jobs of close to 3,000,000.
Jay
June 2nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Actually, Chuck is right, more right than he realizes. I was relying on annual data for the numbers on Bush employment. The monthly figures, Jan 01 to Jan 09, were 137.2 million to 142.2 million, or an increase of 4.5 million.
My error, and I apologize.= Jay
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:49 pm
theeyeshaveit,
From your own link the article states that jobs lost during the Bush recession which began at the end of 2007. What you stated is misleading in that overall throughout his tenure Bush created net jobs. You also have to look at the fact that during several of the early Bush years we were at full employment or near full employment. Its difficult to add jobs when you’re already at full employment. Its like asking someone who averages 98 on their exams to raise their average. Much easier for someone who is averaging 77 on their exams to raise their average.
The red shows the growing job losses by month from the end of 2007 through January of 2009. There were over 4.5 million jobs lost during that period, all of which occurred BEFORE President Obama took office. And the trend was getting worse, big time.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
10:58 pm
getalife,
Sorry to hear that. I have customers who have chronic pain for the rest of their lives- usually back problems but it can be a number of issues. And unfortunately a few of them developed painkiller addictions which is what happened to not only Limbaugh, Elvis, and Brett Farve but countless other people. Hell I have a 58 year old little ole lady that can’t get life insurance because of a prescription drug addiction- oxyconting from 12 years ago.
lynnie gal
June 27th, 2011
10:59 pm
Here we go again–conservatives wasting our money on unnecessary legal fights to enforce an unconstitutional law that will eventually be overturned. Meanwhile, crops rot on the vine and our food prices go up. Way to go, republicans!
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:04 pm
Doom,
You have no idea what pain is but at the end of your soulless career and life, you will.
I love pain because it reminds me I am not dead yet.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
11:12 pm
getalife:
Good grief ……… what kind of surgery.
I had full (not orthoscopic) rotator cuff and that’s the worst pain I ever had ………..
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:20 pm
Scout,
Aortic valve replacement surgery.
The fun part is when they yank out the two one inch drainage tubes in ICU.
It is like getting shot.
Some minor brain surgery.
No biggie.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
11:24 pm
Roger that.
That’s what my boxer died from last year …….. just shy of five years old. It got infected and led to heart failure. The vet said they have tried replacing them in dogs but it just doesn’t work like it does for humans.
Glad it worked out o.k. for you …………. in the old days ………………… !
The trouble with my rotator cuff surgery is that I started coming out of it during surgery……………that happens more often than most people think but since one of the drugs they give you makes you “forget”, few people remember the experience.
Kind of like the tree fallying in the woods ………….. if you can’t remember it, was there any pain …………………
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:34 pm
Scout,
I remember every minute of it.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
11:36 pm
You should sue !
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:41 pm
No Scout.
They saved my life twice.
I thanked them and still do.
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
11:42 pm
getalife
June 27th, 2011
10:40 pm
Doom,
Rush liked oxy’s to get high.
I take drugs because I have chronic pain for the rest of my life.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well, well; we now have some clarity as to the background substance (abuse) of your posts; as many of us already suspected.
Is Ken Nuggent your saviour, or do you worship Sokolove? LOSER!
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
11:49 pm
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:20 pm
Scout,
Aortic valve replacement surgery.
The fun part is when they yank out the two one inch drainage tubes in ICU.
It is like getting shot.
Some minor brain surgery.
No biggie.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Typical drunken (stoned) liberal horse $hit. If you had brain surgery;
(which I wouldn’t brag about), they obviously removed the good part.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Indians (aka native americans) would name you; “Walking Eagle”, which translates to: too full of crap to fly.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
11:49 pm
getalife:
The surgeon did ………….. the anethesiologist could have cost you your life !!!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
11:50 pm
Uncle Jed:
Be nice ………….. we can fight later.
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
11:52 pm
I agree Scout, but the chick is lying, plain and simple. I don’t do liars well, my friend.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:52 pm
Thanks Jed.
Half my brain and body is dead so my posts are not that bad from a man that is half the man he used to be.
Loser?
Too bad we can’t change bodies for five minutes.
You would be reaching for a gun to end it.
Me, I keep fighting.
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
11:54 pm
Honestly. Go get another glass of wine; then get out and interact with somebody. LOSER!
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
11:56 pm
And besides; how in the heck do you make the assumption that I, or other posters, are not in a worse state than yourself? Hmmmm?!?
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:58 pm
Do tell Jed.
Uncle Jed
June 28th, 2011
12:00 am
And as I bid you a farewell for tonight: Your latest posts are much more piteeful than your actual condition. You know it; I know it; America knows it. Actually, I pity a person like you.
getalife
June 28th, 2011
12:03 am
Thanks Jed.
When you are ready to share your illness, I will listen and not call you a loser or a liar.
We can compare gory details if you want.
Kamchak
June 28th, 2011
12:25 am
Actually, I pity a person like you.
More passive/aggressive crap.
Gandalf the Wise
June 28th, 2011
1:49 am
I think when you profile crimminals it’s called crimminal profiling. I think they should arrest the dean of the Kennisaw state for allowing that crimminal girl to finish her education.
Gandalf the Wise
June 28th, 2011
1:54 am
Barry should hire all the illegals to build that fence down south, then close the door on them!
JKL2
June 28th, 2011
1:57 am
Gandalf-
College is a business you the Demwits are all preaching “punish the one’s who hire them”. By knowingly let an illegal go there, he should be doing time. Ted Kennedy is turning over in his grave as we speak…
captguitarman
June 28th, 2011
2:36 am
Did you all hear that huge sigh of relief today? I think it came from under the Dome and from the Governor’s mansion. Those boys just might have just missed a bullet. But, that will be true only if all the illegal crop pickers come back to save the summer and late summer crops. They may not. They might still be on the fence. But maybe the gool ol’ boys can do some bidness and keep Georgia farmers from plowing millions upon millions of dollars worth of crops under this year. But, with a Federal judge involved, bidness won’t be so easy to do since the Feds have, let us say, different standards for doin’ bidness. Here’s a flash for Georgia’s citizens. The United States government cannot, and is not going to successfully deport 12 million illegal immigrants. It has gone on way, way too long to change, and it is just not going to happen. Not only would it hurt them, it would hurt this nation. The focus now needs to be on a program that creates guest worker privileges and more importantly, pathways to citizenship that weed out the criminal element and reward hard working, tax and social security paying illegals trying to create a better life here for their families. Myopic good ol’ boys who can’t see one inch in front of their own faces, focused on their own pocket books and the interests of those who keep them in office and maintain their lifestyles, are not going to anything but try to scare the illegals into other states, while stupidly gutting a major Georgia econonic engine – agriculture. In short, they are short sighted and not up to the task of this kind of long term sensible thinking. Today, the farmers are suffering, but that kind of thing can spread quickly. Geprgia state tjat once had such huge promise, but falling behind other New South staes and now in decline. The airlines are on their collective asses. Hartsfield alone cannot save us. The people of Gawga sure do have the gubmint they deserve, and then some.
joe suggs
June 28th, 2011
6:24 am
The federal Government refuses to stop illegals from invading our country . The Federal Courts refuse to allow the states to do it .The only mistrust that I have is with the social activist judges and Obama the clown. Let the illegals live with you Bookman.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
6:43 am
Good, good morning to all y’all!
A couple of political funnies…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/27/political-pictures-sarah-palin-meeting-in-progress/
and…Charts!!!
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/27/political-pictures-the-data-was-unsurprising/
Normal
June 28th, 2011
6:47 am
And now…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/28/funny-pictures-light-travels-faster/
And just for USinUK…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/28/funny-pictures-unhappy-cat-in-basket/
The Morning Links (6/28) | From the Desk of Lady Liberty
June 28th, 2011
7:09 am
[...] the majority (all the useful parts) of the Immigration law passed there. We’ve got another Liberal Activist Judge here folks: “The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens [...]
Independent
June 28th, 2011
7:13 am
I believe given the crime risk from 2010, the sheriff wouldn’t have to step foot out of the donut shop except to go home to sleep. There is no pharmacy in Uvalda, so the they’re going to steal the Oxycontin hysteria can be put to rest.
2010 Crime Rate Indexes Uvalda, GA Georgia United States
Uvalda GA US
Total Crime Risk 8 114 100
Murder Risk 18 113 100
Rape Risk 5 79 100
Robbery Risk 1 112 100
Assault Risk 5 89 100
Burglary Risk 4 122 100
Larceny Risk 3 123 100
MVeh Theft Risk 0 119 100
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
7:18 am
“climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
So what’s new?
Independent
June 28th, 2011
8:02 am
“climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
So what’s new? Actually very little,
Sounds like the Dems and their typical Mediscare tactics at election time.
Larry
June 28th, 2011
8:05 am
So according to the judge, the right “to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave ” is a right reserved to the federal government. Makes sense to me, now all we need is a federal government willing to enforce the law.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
8:11 am
The DREAM Act was the best hope to lessen the Illegals problem.
A good effort to bring the children of Illegals into the mainstream through education or military service, making them good law abiding, tax paying citizens. It was probably the only Republican (McCain) bills I endorsed. But, unfortunately, as soon as President Obama said he was for it, the Republicans bailed.
We need the DREAM act and other programs just like it to help mitigate this problem. It IS the right thing to do.
stives
June 28th, 2011
8:16 am
One thing we know, the suspreme court might shoot-down every state law pertaining to immigration and all people who are here in these United States illegally. A federal law must be inactive if immigration laws has to have any federal oversight. It must not just sit on the backburner as it has been for years without being addressed at the federal level and not acted upon. If anyone, no matter race, nationality, you must file for immigration status in the country where you were born; you must not imposed upon U.S. soil unless you went through the process and have been become a naturalized citizen. One day, you will get caught and have to go back and start the process over and it takes years………but those who have done it are now citizens. Bottom Line!
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:22 am
Independent
Mediscare? Seriously?
I bid 2 death panels, 1 gay agenda and a handful of Islamophobia.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
8:24 am
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:22 am
Call it like it is
June 28th, 2011
8:25 am
“The Hispanics in his town, on the other hand, “are law-abiding people. They have family and kids.”
Well Sheriff, that statement sums it all up. They should have nothing to worry about then, if in fact they are “law-abiding people” as you state.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:25 am
Where is the outrage in this? If this was Bush, what would the media be saying?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/27/dinner_with_obama_now_includes_joe_biden.html
NRO’s Jim Geraghty raises the question of whether Barack Obama filmed a video for his reelection campaign in the White House, which may possibly be a violation of federal election laws.
In the video, President Obama promotes a “Dinner With Barack” raffle. To participate in the contest you need to donate at least $5 to the president’s re-election campaign and your name will be raffled off to enjoy a dinner with the President, airfare and accommodations included. In a new web video, Obama announced Vice President Joe Biden will also be attending the dinner.
There is one problem, however. This campaign ad was most likely recorded in the White House, which may have violated FEC campaign finance laws.
Take a look at this weekly address delivered by Obama in February. Below is a screenshot taken from the weekly address followed by an image taken from the campaign advertisement.
Obama Weekly Address with lamp
Obama campaign advertisement lamp
Both videos have identical lamps in the background, suggesting both videos were recorded at the same location. President Obama normally records his weekly address at the White House unless he is on the road like last week when he was in Pittsburgh.
Below are several other instances where this room was used for a weekly address:
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:28 am
But, unfortunately, as soon as President Obama said he was for it, the Republicans bailed.
Rachel had a good, if incredibly depressing, takedown of the sad history behind this particular edition of Lucy-yanking-the-football-from-Charlie-Brown, last night.
what people forget is that the DREAM act was envisioned as sort of a “it’s the least we can do” kinda deal, to normalize the most deserving of our residents, and as is so often the case these days with the conservatives constantly moving rightward, a wimpy little compromise measure like that allah sudden has become Teh Crazy Soshulizm.
Which is one of the reasons I haven’t really had much to say about Jay’s topic and indulged myself in a little uncharacteristically petty sniping yesterday eve. What *can* you say at this point?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:30 am
NRO’s Jim Geraghty
…is an a-hole.
Gale
June 28th, 2011
8:31 am
It would be interesting to learn if the law-abiding Hispanics in the good sheriff’s town are, in fact, legal. And If they are not, is the good sheriff aware of it?
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:32 am
Scott
One of two things….
1. You might be right. If so President Obama will have to bear the consequences and rightly so.
2. This is another ginned up faux issue.
Here’s a suggestion for you.
When Real Clear Politics has more than a “suggestion” that there is an issue – please let us know.
Until then let’s try and keep our eye on the ball shall we?
AmVet
June 28th, 2011
8:34 am
“…social activist judges…”
Are those robed guys who have a great night life.
Jeez, they can’t even get their goofy parrotspeak right…
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:34 am
Stands for decibels…so what if he is an ahole? I can care less. The guy showed where Obama is at it again. The fact of the matter is our President is, yet again, breaking another law and nobody seems to care, himself included. The media is so in-bed with the guy that they certainly will not report on it. Again, what if this was Bush? Do you think that he would have received the same preferential treatment?
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:37 am
Granny……come on. There is video evidence that looks pretty damn confirming in my opinion. I am sure that Obama will hold himself accountable. hahahaha. I already know what we will get….They will roll Carney out onto the stage and he will make up some stupid story saying that they have a set they bring everywhere they go with the same exact things in the background. Wait a minute….no they won’t have to because they will never be asked because nobody wants to hold this a$$clown accountable.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:38 am
I bid 2 death panels, 1 gay agenda and a handful of Islamophobia.
don’t be stingy. Throw in a Community Organizer and a Scary Negro Minister, too.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:38 am
Granny also…”ginned up faux issue” Just like his major screw up on the MOH recipient that we heard very little about. If that was Bush, do you think that maybe that would have been the top headline for about a week? Wake the F up will you?
joe suggs
June 28th, 2011
8:41 am
Why is the Dream Act the right thing to do ? Tha illegals created this problem. Minimum wage earners pay no taxes.You will add millions to the welfare rolls.
Independent
June 28th, 2011
8:41 am
I’ll raise you a bankrupt country, a depleted military, 44 million on foodstamps, indocrination education, and a larger and more instrusive government.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:42 am
Scott
NO….Real Clear Politics makes a suggestion….Read what you posted.
Also from Real Clear Politics:
“In response to questions about whether the president and his political team had stayed safely on the legal side of the relevant statutes, White House officials made three arguments. First, they said, an open process for small donors to essentially win a raffle is not the kind of fundraising prohibited under the law — and the president didn’t make a direct appeal for donations, anyway. Second, they pointed to a longstanding advisory opinion from the Justice Department that differentiates between the residence portion of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. — where the aide said Obama had been filmed — and official rooms in the White House. Third, they said, Obama’s approach is in keeping with the practices of his predecessors.”
(emphasis added mine)
I think it’s typical GOP unreasonableness that would not allow the President freedom in his own home.
The article goes on to tell that George Bush filmed campaign ads in the White House.
Seems the GOP is trying to create a market for high speed goal posts.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
Scott
I came on…and I you should back the “F” off.
Little man, big nasty words….I remain unimpressed.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
Granny, shame on you. You dont think he really read the article. Why the talking point email and cut and paste instructions were enough….to read the article, too! Man you are getting strict.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
I’ll raise you a bankrupt country
Which one would that be? Last I checked, people are willing to lend our country lots and lots of money at next-to-nothing percent ROI.
Bankrupt organizations don’t tend to be able to do that.
We are not “broke.”
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
JAY:
I know it’s summer, but you’re sleeping in too late ……… lately.
We need a thread.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
Recon, from page 1: And if that’s the only way to gain control, what’s wrong with it?
Is that small, leave me alone government, or is that really really big get in your face and take away your freedoms government?
Which do you REALLY support?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
But, but, but, they have video! which you gotta watch, man!
oy. I might be back when it don’t stink so bad in here…
AmVet
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
“Again, what if this was Bush? Do you think that he would have received the same preferential treatment?”
Yep, they pretty much gave him a free ride for years on end.
The deadly goofball invaded the wrong f’ing country and the corporate controlled media didn’t say a word in opposition.
Hell, they loved him because his moronic “war” was outstanding for their ratings.
Want proof? Immediately after shock and awe there were approximately 80 talking heads on the four main networks regarding the botched invasion. Take a wild guess how many were against the Crusades?
Two.
But his sycophants think he was treated so very poorly by the forth estate.
Yeah, riiiight…
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:46 am
Independent
and I’ll raise you right back….an economy that isn’t losing 700,000 jobs a month, the finest military in the world, a nation that keeps it’s people from starving, free public schools and a government that has shrunk since 2009.
Activist Judge
June 28th, 2011
8:46 am
One of South Georgia’s own SCOTUS may be facing an ethics investigation….Who would have thought that the Honorable Clarence Thomas would have a problem with “Ethics”?
http://newsone.com/nation/ggaynor/justice-clarence-thomas-faces-ethics-investigation-by-ny-times/
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:48 am
Let’s have a thread on the deficit. Because I cannot WAIT to see the new GOP talking points about why they hate tax cuts if Obama supports them, and talking points about why they are now against all of their own pro-economy positions of the past decade. I want to see just how pretzel-like those new talking points are.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:49 am
Granny, Way to handpick what you wanted to out of an attached article. Typical. Again. Wake the F up! You have such big words and NO SUBSTANCE. I guess that is why you like this administration so much.
“This assertion appears to be half-true. Although the news accounts cited by White House officials do show that George W. Bush filmed political ads in the White House, they were not overt fundraising efforts. But directly raising money in the White House was indeed the context of the bitter controversy President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore provoked in 1995 and 1996 by aggressively raising millions of dollars in campaign funds during activities expressly designed to use the White House as a hook to attract donor interest.”
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:49 am
Amvet: I am absolutely astonished when I hear people act like Bush was lambasted for his entire tenure. The whole media was behind him for YEARS, even AFTER he got voted in a second time. Only in 2005 did I start hearing people in news organizations actually say “It’s time for us to stop giving him a free pass.”
mystified
June 28th, 2011
8:51 am
Liberal judge….liberal ruling….yawn. And who is the Smith guy. Maybe the other 10,000 law enforcements officers should file an affidavit too. Somehow I don’t think the judge would have given them much credit though because they don’t agree with his point of view.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
8:55 am
“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
The judge is wrong as is often the case. We want them to leave the country!
As for Sherrif Smith, it is really a bitch that he is expected to do his job and uphold the law. I hate it when that happens.
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2011
8:56 am
Way to handpick what you wanted to out of an attached article
After you sweated over a hot cut ‘n paste all morning! The nerve!
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:56 am
“You don’t agree with me, you must be liberal” is a tired and useless defense. It serves about as much purpose as talking about “57 states” and “teleprompter.” That is, none at all, except to self-inflate your own ego. It does nothing to convince independent thinkers.
Critical thinkers will be your downfall. You know this. Perhaps this is why education has been targeted over and over again for revisionist history and falsified information, such as “evolution is just a theory.”
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:58 am
Mighty Righty: I want YOU to leave the country. Along with many other cons who seem to have never done so. You might learn something.
We can’t always get what we want. Deal with it.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:59 am
Adam and Amvet, I cannot believe how ridiculously stupid you guys really are. The media was in bed with Bush? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! You do remember the election of 2000, don’t you? They badgered him until 9-11 because he wasn’t “their guy.” I will give you that they supported him right after 9-11 and for about a year after, but then when they saw he wasn’t all that popular anymore, they left him as quickly as they supported him…much like the Democrat party. They made up stories(Dan Rather anybody?) They called him names. They criticized his every move. And for you to say otherwise just shows how incompetent and out of touch you really are. We have not seen ANY of this with Obama. He is still the media’s darling and unfortunately I do not see that changing regardless of how bad the situation in this country gets. Double dip recession…..the media will just say that it was the Reps fault and they didn’t give him a chance. Gas prices over $4…….of that isn’t obama’s fault, that is just the way it goes. Sorry….Bush was not afforded the same excusals that obama is getting right now.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:00 am
aquagirl…you are a hack….beat it
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:00 am
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:48 am
Please take some advice and lay off the hard stuff.
larry
June 28th, 2011
9:00 am
Does that make me look like a manly man or what?
Today’s letter of the day !!! The letter F
Thank you Scott.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2011
9:02 am
F Troop…..sorry. I just had to get that out of the way.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
9:03 am
Scott,
Keep it up and you will be beating it…jus’ sayin’.
zeke
June 28th, 2011
9:04 am
Does not matter whether or not the illegals are “good people”! IT ONLY MATTERS THAT THEY ARE ILLEGAL! THEREFORE THEY NEED TO BE ARRESTED IF NECESSARY AND IMMEDIATELY DEPORTED!!
Chris Matthews
June 28th, 2011
9:05 am
John Stewart is a racist like many liberals! The Amos and Andy talk about Herman Cain would be all over the national news if it was Obama! What bias! The liberal news would have supported Hitler also!
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:06 am
Scott
You go from effy effy ef to a take off on a Geico commercial.
What an incredible range.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:07 am
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:58 am
You obviously don’t know the difference between legal and illegal and I fear an explanation will be above you, but I will try. Simply put, one is good and one is bad.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
Chris Matthews….
Hitler didn’t need the liberal news he had Prescott Bush.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
oh…i see jay posted more garbage. I see it is on healthcare. Do you think he will mention how badly the Dems screwed that piece of garbage up? I mean not realizing that 3 million additional people will be covered on medicaid that shouldn’t really be? Who is going to pay for that major screw up? Man, I sure hope that those 3 million will turn down that benefit that they all of a sudden received because of the incompetent people who wrote that document. I guess Pelosi was right…you have to see all of the great thing in this bill AFTER it was passed, don’t you?
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
you are a hack
…..sez the Grand Master of Cut And Paste-Fu.
But at least your last post did seem like it wasn’t lifted. You might have actually typed your own thought. Which is why it was a grand total of seven words and a couple of ellipses.
Are ellipses the new “like, uh” or “ya know whut I’m sayin?” Just kinda there because your brain can’t come up with an actual word or phrase?
Bill Lewis
June 28th, 2011
9:09 am
A pool guy on the Georgia coast just lost his three illegal Mexican workers because of the new Georgia law! They left for Illinois! Guess the payments on the Mercedes will be a little tougher to pay now!
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:10 am
Chris Matthews
June 28th, 2011
9:05 am
John Stewart is a racist like many liberals! The Amos and Andy talk about Herman Cain would be all over the national news if it was Obama! What bias! The liberal news would have supported Hitler also!
Well said. I wonder how many “liberals” will condemn those vicious, vile, dispicable, racist, bigoted remarks?
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:10 am
chris mathews…tell me about it. Even if somebody disagrees with his policies, they are labeled a racist. meanwhile, stewart makes some jokes that are racially borderline, and it goes virtually unnoticed. Notice Granny sees nothing wrong with it though. She is all for it.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:11 am
Scott: The media was in bed with Bush?
Now, where did I say that?
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:13 am
Might Righty: Simply put, one is good and one is bad.
It is exactly the simplistic, limited, black and white viewpoint that will keep you cowering in fear every time you feel threatened, instead of actually SOLVING problems or reasoning things out.
Give me the GOP talking points for why they created the DREAM Act, brought it up many times, and then abandoned it. GO ahead, I can’t wait to see that pretzel of a viewpoint.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:14 am
Saying that Jon Stewart is “the liberal news,” or even “news” shows a very out of touch viewpoint. Just sayin.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:15 am
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
Chris Matthews….
Hitler didn’t need the liberal news he had Prescott Bush.
You need a history lesson. It was JFK’s father Joe Kennedy who supported Hitler. In fact he was removed from the court of St. James by FDR because he lost cedibility with the Brits.
Really
June 28th, 2011
9:18 am
“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
What is so bad about criminals leaving our state? Less crime, less hospital emergency room, taxpayer subsidized healthcare for criminals. Less drain on the school system, maybe that would help our CRCT scores. I am still looking for the downside of evicting criminal, I don’t see it…We could make our state budget and actually not lose money, what a foolish idea….
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:19 am
Adam,
First, I addressed this to both you and Amvet. You agreed with Amvet’s post. He posted “Yep, they pretty much gave him a free ride for years on end.” You followed it up with “Amvet: I am absolutely astonished when I hear people act like Bush was lambasted for his entire tenure. The whole media was behind him for YEARS, even AFTER he got voted in a second time. Only in 2005 did I start hearing people in news organizations actually say “It’s time for us to stop giving him a free pass.”
I guess you are right. You did not come out and say those words precisely, but how else should somebody interpret your words and you agreement with Amvet? Now, like the typical liberal, go ahead and pick out a couple words out of this whole post and just comment on that while ignoring the rest.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:25 am
Adam — “Give me the GOP talking points for why they created the DREAM Act, brought it up many times, and then abandoned it. GO ahead, I can’t wait to see that pretzel of a viewpoint.”
They were for it before they were against it.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:25 am
Adam,
“Saying that Jon Stewart is “the liberal news,” or even “news” shows a very out of touch viewpoint. Just sayin.”
He identifies more with liberals than anybody else. His viewership definitely consists of people that would vote along the Dem lines than Rep. You have to admit that. Many of these fools actually take what he says as being the truth. I cannot remember where it was posted or when it was because it was awhile ago, but there was a poll out there that showed a decent percentage of people went to his show for latest in current events. I think the number even trumped the number of people who went to the evening news. It is sad. I know that Stewart, like Colbert, Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh, Beck, Maddow, Mathews, Doperman, etc. only do this stuff for pure entertainment value, but it is sad that so many people out there actually take every word these clowns say at face-value without performing an analysis themselves. I would imagine somebody like Aquagirl fitting this description. She sounds like a mindless troll.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:26 am
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:13 am
Might Righty: Simply put, one is good and one is bad.
“It is exactly the simplistic, limited, black and white viewpoint that will keep you cowering in fear every time you feel threatened, instead of actually SOLVING problems or reasoning things out.”
“Give me the GOP talking points for why they created the DREAM Act, brought it up many times, and then abandoned it. GO ahead, I can’t wait to see that pretzel of a viewpoint.”
Poor Adam. I told you to layoff the hard stuff. The “Dream Act” is a Democrat vote scheme. Nothing more. Democrats don’t give a darn about minorities. Never have. They just want their votes. People that have jobs are Republicans. The Democrats need people that don’t have jobs. The Dream Act is for people who have just scaled the wall and don’t have jobs and have very little prospect of finding one. The Democrats have to catch them early and get them on welefare before they find a job and become Republicans.
Jay
June 28th, 2011
9:28 am
Scott, cease your namecalling.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:29 am
Scott
I believe you misrepresent the survey regardin Jon Stewart…
It was actually a 2004 National Annenberg Election Survey
“which found Daily Show viewers to be better informed on campaign issues than consumers of other late-night television programs, newspapers, network news, or cable news. In a press release, Annenberg senior analyst Dannagal Goldthwaite Young said: “Daily Show viewers have higher campaign knowledge than national news viewers and newspaper readers — even when education, party identification, following politics, watching cable news, receiving campaign information online, age, and gender are taken into consideration.”
HT to MMA
SCOTT let’s at least try and be F’n accurate.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:31 am
jay, Sorry. I let the incompetence of others get the best of me. I will not let it happen again. Your welcome too. I decided that while we waited for your next post to show up, I would stir the pot until posted again. This service was free of charge.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:32 am
Scott — “Many of these fools actually take what he says as being the truth.”
Stewart would be the first to tell you — as he has reminded many interviewers — that he does not host a news show. He hosts a comedy show. He once had to point out to an interviewer that his “lead-in is puppets making crank phone calls.”
He does, however, offer biting and incisive comedic commentary on the news of the day, and if you can’t see how that would draw viewers, then I can’t help you. He’s been criticized by ‘legitimate’ newsmen for his presentation and how many viewers he draws for it, at which point he usually reminds them that if they’d just do their effing JOBS, then maybe he wouldn’t get so many people coming to him for what he’s selling.
Stewart doesn’t present himself as a legitimate newsman. He’s the TV news version of Mad or Cracked Magazine. But given how most ‘legitimate’ mass market news has been watered down and co-opted by its corporate owners into easily-digestible mush, there’s clearly a market for someone like Stewart.
You can enjoy a healthy salad AND enjoy a greasy, juicy burger. And you can watch mass marketed news AND Jon Stewart. Don’t presume that the two are mutually exclusive.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:32 am
That was the best of you?
oh my.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:40 am
F. Sinkwich (from page 2) — “Of course you, Doggone, can provide examples of that happening….”
It happened to my wife. She’s Hispanic and got stopped in another state. The police wanted to look in the car. She wouldn’t let them. They asked why, so she asked them why they wanted to look. They wouldn’t say, so she wouldn’t let them look.
Eventually, a gentleman in a Mercedes drove up and conferred with the police. She didn’t ever find out who he was, but she suspects that he was a DA or assistant, because immediately after he left, the cops let her go without so much as an apology.
We did, however, receive a nice letter of apology from the sheriff after we had our attorney speak with him and the DA.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:41 am
Scott
Really? I bet your gravy is lumpy and your Alfredo grainy.
AND
I suspect my new biege fabric kitten heels would make your calves
look chunky.
oh my.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:46 am
Joe mama, I actually enjoy watching Stewart from time to time. He find him comedic. I just remember a survey out there in the past that said a substantial percentage of his viewership actually considered his show a new program. I have no idea what the heck granny was posting nor do I even care anymore for that matter. I just think it is sad that so many people out there actually take his show for news and not for what it really is…..entertainment. I also think that the way that he handled the Herman Cain thing was sad and if that had been somebody like Hannity doing the exact same thing with Obama, the coverage would be widespread and Hannity would be looking for a new job.
williebkind
June 28th, 2011
9:49 am
Everytime the people of Ga get a law passed for the state, a liberal judge makes law from the bench. This has to be a very progrssive liberal judge who has a very liberal agenda. This judge is a racist.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:54 am
Granny, I don’t make Alfredo because I am not a big fan of the taste. If I wanted some nice creamy sauce mixed in with some starchy food, I prefer to make myself a nice risotto and none of that instant carp that take 5 minutes to make. I am talking about risotto from scratch that takes 20-30 minutes to make. Gravy on the other hand…..I win that bad boy hands down. Brown gravy, white gravy, au jus….you name it. I know my gravy and it sure isn’t lumpy. So, i guess your best alfredo beats mine through default, but I guarantee my gravy wins.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:57 am
Scott — “I just remember a survey out there in the past that said a substantial percentage of his viewership actually considered his show a new program.”
I’d be interested in seeing that, if you can find it.
“I just think it is sad that so many people out there actually take his show for news and not for what it really is…..entertainment.”
To be fair, you’re complaining about something that you admittedly kinda-sorta remember and may or may not even be citing accurately. I think that’s weak tea on which to base your criticism, though you are certainly welcome to your opinion.
“I also think that the way that he handled the Herman Cain thing was sad and if that had been somebody like Hannity doing the exact same thing with Obama, the coverage would be widespread and Hannity would be looking for a new job.”
I sincerely doubt it. Given Fox’s penchant for misstatement and political inaccuracy, I don’t think Hannity would have suffered a bit. When’s the last time Fox suspended any of its hosts or anchors for a single *day* due to misstatement, misbehavior or going over the top?
williebkind
June 28th, 2011
10:07 am
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:57 am
“Given Fox’s penchant for misstatement and political inaccuracy”
Can you back that statement up with proof? Naa, you are just blow our liberal chants.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:08 am
“I sincerely doubt it. Given Fox’s penchant for misstatement and political inaccuracy, I don’t think Hannity would have suffered a bit. When’s the last time Fox suspended any of its hosts or anchors for a single *day* due to misstatement, misbehavior or going over the top?”
First, misstatement and political inaccuracy?? Really? Just because you don’t agree with their slant doesn’t mean they have a “penchant” for it. If it wasn’t for Fox, would we have heard about ACORN’s terrible practices? Would we have heard anything Rev Wright and his connection to Obama? Domestic terrorist Bill Ayers’ connection to Obama? Van Jones and his radical radical policies? Those are all legitimate stories that should have been followed up by the “real” media. Of course, I am sure that you say that they are meaningless but I think they are a direct reflection of Obama’s character and probably should have been followed up on before a Presidential election.
Given your last statement, are you saying that Stewart should also be suspended for his racially tinted comments? I would say he went over the top, don’t you?
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:12 am
williebkind — “Can you back that statement up with proof? Naa, you are just blow our liberal chants.”
Well, thanks for answering the question for me. You’ve pretty much let me know up front not to ever bother responding to you.
If at some point in the future you would like to engage me on a topic, be sure to leave your jackassery at home.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
10:14 am
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:57 am
Joe, you would defend Hitler or even George Wallace as long as they support Obama.
TGT
June 28th, 2011
10:18 am
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
Perhaps for good reason. Pat Buchanan notes in his “Say Goodbye to Los Angeles” column, where the U.S. and Mexico played a soccer match before 93,000 fans, the game was essentially a home game for Mexico.
According to Bill Plaschke of the Los Angeles Times, when the U.S. team took the field it was “smothered in boos. … Its goalkeeper was bathed in a chanted obscenity. Even its national anthem was filled with the blowing of air horns and bouncing of beach balls.”
How did U.S. coach Bob Bradley respond to the reception his team received in America’s largest county? “Obviously … the support that Mexico has on a night like this makes it a home game for them.”
“A home game” for Mexico — in Pasadena?
“It’s part of something we had to deal with,” said the coach.
“I have never heard more consistent loud cheering for one team here,” wrote Plaschke, “from the air horns to the ‘Ole’ chant with each Mexico pass, all set to the soundtrack of low throbbing that began in the parking lot six hours before the game and continued long into the night.”
After the 4-2 win by Mexico, for the first time, the trophy award ceremony was held in the Rose Bowl. When the losing U.S. team was introduced, the stadium rocked again with boos.
“We’re not booing the country. We’re booing the team,” one rooter for Mexico told Plaschke. “There’s a big difference.”
But why would scores of thousands boo a defeated team after a game?
Why would spectators raise a ruckus during a national anthem, except to manifest contempt for the country whose anthem it was?
U.S. goalkeeper Tim Howard credited several Mexican players with the win, but he was disgusted at how the officials conducted the ceremony awarding the Gold Cup title to Mexico.
They “should be ashamed of themselves,” said Howard. “It was a disgrace that the entire post-match ceremony was in Spanish. You can bet your (expletive) that if we were in Mexico City, it wouldn’t be all in English.”
Indeed, were U.S. fans in a Mexican town to boo, jeer and chant obscenities at a Mexican team before, during and after a match, and blow horns during the Mexican national anthem, they would be lucky to get out of the stadium alive.
What does this event, in which Plaschke estimates 80,000 fans in the Rose Bowl could not control their contempt for the U.S. team and for the U.S. national anthem, tell us?
We have within our country 12-20 million illegal aliens, with Mexico the primary source, and millions of others who may be U.S. citizens but are not truly Americans. As one fan told Plaschke, “I was born in Mexico, and that is where my heart will always be.”
Perhaps he should go back there, and let someone take his place who wants to become an American.
By 2050, according to Census figures, thanks to illegals crossing over and legalized mass immigration, the number of Hispanics in the U.S.A. will rise from today’s 50 million to 135 million.
Say goodbye to Los Angeles. Say goodbye to California.
Perhaps “a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity” is necessary to keep us from going the way of LA and CA. If so, then let it be.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:19 am
Scott — “First, misstatement and political inaccuracy?? Really? Just because you don’t agree with their slant doesn’t mean they have a “penchant” for it.”
Fox’s broadcasts frequently misstate points of fact and fail to issue corrections; this has been corroborated by numerous former Fox staffers. And I happen to know a former Fox on-camera reporter, so I’ve heard about it first-hand.
“If it wasn’t for Fox, would we have heard about ACORN’s terrible practices?”
Many of the allegations about ACORN turned out to be baseless. Did Fox ever issue a retraction or correction on those items?
“Would we have heard anything Rev Wright and his connection to Obama? Domestic terrorist Bill Ayers’ connection to Obama? Van Jones and his radical radical policies? Those are all legitimate stories that should have been followed up by the “real” media.”
The fact that Fox broke those stories does not mean that they *wouldn’t* have been broken if Fox didn’t exist. Bear in mind that the National Enquirer — hardly a bastion of professional journalism — broke the Monica Lewinsky story. If there’s stinky dirt on a President or presidential candidate, I dare say someone will find it and run with it. This is why a free press is so important.
“Of course, I am sure that you say that they are meaningless but I think they are a direct reflection of Obama’s character and probably should have been followed up on before a Presidential election.”
Given that, how would you feel if a major news operation had dirt on a presidential candidate and *spiked* the story right before an election? Would you feel differently if it were Fox doing the spiking?
“Given your last statement, are you saying that Stewart should also be suspended for his racially tinted comments? I would say he went over the top, don’t you?”
Once again, Jon Stewart is a *comedian,* not a newsman I pointed this out to you already. He no more deserves suspension for his comments than Redd Foxx would deserve (if he were still alive) for his.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:20 am
Righty — “Joe, you would defend Hitler or even George Wallace as long as they support Obama.”
Given that I’ve actually voted *against* George Wallace, I’m simply going to point out that you’re wrong. But don’t let facts get in the way of your little hissy fit.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
10:30 am
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:19 am
I didn’t know you were a FOX news fan. I suggest next time you cite misinformaton on FOX news please give us a quote so we will know you are not just making something up. In fact you could give us a few examples of what you think are “misinformation”. You know, the ones you already mentioned. I can give you one:”Jon Stewart saying Herman Cain doesn’t like to read”. Oh that’s right, Jon was just making a funny. I forgot, racist jokes are now in.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:37 am
Joe Mama, alright i see where we are going with this. Nowhere. but here goes
“Fox’s broadcasts frequently misstate points of fact and fail to issue corrections; this has been corroborated by numerous former Fox staffers. And I happen to know a former Fox on-camera reporter, so I’ve heard about it first-hand.”
The MSM does the same thing. they are just a little more sneaky about it. how many times are they going to say the unemployment numbers “unexpectedly” rose? Isn’t that a misstatement? Do we ever see anything from the MSM on it? Did we see a correction or an apllogy from the MSM for getting on Palin for allegedly telling the Paul Rever story wrong when in fact she was 100% correct/ Nope. Only a statement by one guy saying that she mistakenly got it correct. I am sure you will disagree. After all, you have an inside guy who knows all about it. yeah sure you do.
“Many of the allegations about ACORN turned out to be baseless. Did Fox ever issue a retraction or correction on those items?”
They were so baseless that funding was pulled by Congress and the Supreme Court said they won’t even listen to their case. Definitely sounds baseless to me. Next
“The fact that Fox broke those stories does not mean that they *wouldn’t* have been broken if Fox didn’t exist.” Fox was talking about these stories months before the networks even touched the issues. If the networks really wanted to perform some due diligence on Obama, the candidate, they would have attacked these issues the same time Fox was breaking them. Next
“Given that, how would you feel if a major news operation had dirt on a presidential candidate and *spiked* the story right before an election? Would you feel differently if it were Fox doing the spiking?” Not really sure what you are talking about but hell, CBS tried to do it by FABRICATING a story about Bush. You do remember Dan Rather, don’t you? Speaking of retraction and apology, did CBS ever really issue one on that. I am not sure. Maybe they did. I don’t remember it. NEXT
“Once again, Jon Stewart is a *comedian,* not a newsman I pointed this out to you already. He no more deserves suspension for his comments than Redd Foxx would deserve (if he were still alive) for his.”
Stewart is an entertainer!!! So is Hannity and so is Rush Limbaugh. We know that the media constantly goes after him for being racist every time he criticizes the president. You asked if Fox ever suspended any of its anchors for going over the top. They are entertainers in the same fashion that Stewart is. That is why I asked the question. If you want one entertainer to get suspended, then why wouldn’t stewart get suspended? And DONE!!!
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:40 am
Joe Mama, “If you want to play nice, then back up, regain your composure, put your manners on and start again. Otherwise, you can just f**k right off.”
Careful…..Grandma Godzilla doesn’t like “big words.” Of course, she probably will see nothing wrong with it because she is all about double standards. I am sure she will let it slide.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
10:46 am
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:37 am
Great post. The irrefutable truth is the cross of death for vampire liberals! The truth causes them to run for refuge under their rocks.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
11:05 am
Scott: I guess you are right. You did not come out and say those words precisely, but how else should somebody interpret your words and you agreement with Amvet? Now, like the typical liberal, go ahead and pick out a couple words out of this whole post and just comment on that while ignoring the rest.
I do not believe the media was “in bed” with the Bush admin. HOWEVER, I do think they were on his side on a great many issues, for a lot longer than you think. Obviously that’s a difference of opinion, since how can you quantify something like that anyway? So no, I did not “agree” with AmVet per se, I offered my own comment on the subject of whether or not the media bias was for or against Bush. In my view, it was decidely on his side for the most part for YEARS.
Mighty Righty: Republicans sponsored the original DREAM Act, and continued to do so for a few iterations of attempts to bring it up. It was originally a Republican idea. All you offer as evidence that it is a Democrat idea is the opinionated concept that Democrats want welfare voters. That’s hardly evidence.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
11:27 am
Adam, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. My perception was that they did not like him after the 2000 election. Then, 9-11 hit and they saw a president that people liked so they decided that they should support him. They maintained that support for a couple years and as the wars became unpopular, the media left him. Even when he was receiving support for them, they still would take every opportunity to crack jokes about him. In my opinion, Obama rarely gets the negative attention Bush received. Whether it is fear or they are just in bed with him, I think it is fair to say that the media support Obama far more than they ever supported Bush.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Scott — “I think it is fair to say that the media support Obama far more than they ever supported Bush.”
Judith Miller, a reporter for the New York Times wrote a number of stories that saw print and were supportive of the Bush Administration’s case for war. Miller would cite unnamed sources and unnamed Bush Administration officials in her stories, and the Bush Administration would cite Miller’s work as ‘evidence’ that supported their case for war.
As it later turned out, Miller based most of her stories on hearsay and unsupported second-hand claims, and most of her stories turned out to be false. And of course, she later went to work for Fox News and Newsmax.
Can you identify a reporter today who carries as much water for the Obama Administration as Judith Miller carried for the Bush Administration?
Adam
June 28th, 2011
11:56 am
Scott: Obama rarely gets the negative attention Bush received.
The major news media was all over the health care debate, constantly having people on who would bash it with talking points. In fact, other than possibly MSNBC, ever major network did this. The focus was on the individual mandate and it was decidedly negative.
Fast forward to the oil spill. Major new networks got on Obama’s case for that too.
Major Sunday morning shows hosted SEVEN of the former Bush administration’s officials to tell the whole world about how Bush is the real hero for us getting bin Laden. Oh, and they said, btw, that it was waterboarding that worked. Both are false, in case you didn’t know.
Tell me again that there hasn’t been SIGNIFICANT negative criticism brought against Obama on the major news media. Bush was attacked for his handling of a natural disaster, and the nearest equivalent that isn’t an equivalent was the oil spill. The media blasted both. Bush got attacked for the Iraq war only AFTER we had been in there and it was discovered there were no WMDs. Before that, it was full speed ahead and talk of how this would be done in a week.
And, btw, if you want a constant barrage against Obama and his admin, just watch Fox. If you think, compared to that, that Obama isn’t being criticized enough, then I think you view is way too skewed.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
12:07 pm
Joe mama, I am assuming that the entire cast at MSNBC is out, including Chris “Tingling Sensation” Mathews, correct? So…….let’s look at Bob Schiefer of CBS. He accused Donald Trump, another person who is basically an entertainer, of being racist for even questioning Obama’s academic credentials. Once again, the liberal media calling somebody who isn’t one of them racist for asking/saying anything critical about Obama, yet they are not holding their own accountable for actually saying racist things about Kaine.
Aside from that situation though, look at how he went after Bachman this weekend and contrast that with any interviews he has had with obama. He goes after Reps hard and pretty much leaves Obama alone, throwing softball after softball to him.
Do I know of reporters like Judith Miller offhand? Nope. Am I going to check? Nope? Do I need to? Nope. Why would he need to have a Judith Miller when people like Bob Schieffer handle him with kids gloves and then go after other Reps with knives. Want another example? Contrast his interview with Obama versus Boehner. He trashed Boehner for his smoking habit and merely thanks Obama for not smoking.
Need another example of how the media treats Obama with kids gloves? How much press was given to his major major screwup on the Medal of Honor? If that was Bush, do you honestly think they would have covered it so minimally? Notice I said HONESTLY!!! Did the networks even cover it?
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
12:13 pm
Scott, I find your responses evasive and combative. I have politely asked you several questions that you have failed to respond to, and you have instead replied with more and more intemperate posts.
I would be pleased to engage in a polite and collegial discussion with you, but it increasingly appears to me that you’re quite emotionally invested in this topic and quite possibly unable to talk about it in a dispassionate manner. Given that, I’m going to engage in more productive discussion on another thread. Perhaps we shall meet again in the future on a thread containing a topic that is more conducive to a polite, adult conversation between us.
win
June 28th, 2011
12:31 pm
But, but Judge, there should not be any illegal immigrants in Georgia in the first place, it is in fact a failure of immigration enforcement by the Federal Government that there are.
The whole point of the 1986 immigration law was to stop illegal immigration. In fact we were promised there would never be another amnesty because there would be no need for one, the enforcement would prevent it. The Federal government failed over and over again to enforce the law though, contrary to what the court decision states.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
1:29 pm
Adam,
“The major news media was all over the health care debate, constantly having people on who would bash it with talking points. In fact, other than possibly MSNBC, ever major network did this. The focus was on the individual mandate and it was decidedly negative.”
They were? The same one like ABC which was broadcast from inside the white house when the bill was starting to go through Congress. Really? I must have also missed the many times the major networks brought up how this bill was being openly negotiated in front of the American public. you know….the whole in front cspan thing. I also noticed how they were so infuriated that the votes on this thing came under scrutiny. You know….the cornhusker kickback, the la purchase, or even how it was voted in the middle of the night. yeah….all of the major networks were just constantly badgering obama on those things.
“Fast forward to the oil spill. Major new networks got on Obama’s case for that too.”
yes, he received some coverage for his inability to react quickly. As well he should. You know what he turned around and did…..blamed Bush and did the MSM question him on it. Not really. Sorry you are not winning that one Adam.
“Major Sunday morning shows hosted SEVEN of the former Bush administration’s officials to tell the whole world about how Bush is the real hero for us getting bin Laden. Oh, and they said, btw, that it was waterboarding that worked. Both are false, in case you didn’t know.”
Funny….I recall the Director of the CIA, Leon Panetta saying as much. I guess he must be complicit with them huh?
Adam
June 28th, 2011
1:50 pm
The Federal government failed over and over again to enforce the law though, contrary to what the court decision states.
That’s only your perception. Too bad it doesn’t hold up to factual scrutiny/ But, as you have just basically admitted, that doesn’t matter to you.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
1:55 pm
Joe Mama, I have no idea what you are talking about. I answered your questions. It is not a matter of my answering them. It is a matter of you not liking what I have to say. I answered your questions using legit examples and now your only response is to say that I have not addressed your questions. So there go….run run run. It is what you libs do best. And the sad part is that we will probably end up on another thread sometime and you will want to rehash the whole thing as if this conversation never even existed. it is eerily similar to how liberal politicians want everybody to forget the damage they have inflicted on this economy. Instead of taking accountability, they are just going to look for a way to blame it on Republicans….probably on GW again.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
2:03 pm
Adam, “That’s only your perception. Too bad it doesn’t hold up to factual scrutiny/ But, as you have just basically admitted, that doesn’t matter to you.”
When the head of ICE said last May that he will not be processing illegal immigrants that are caught in this country in some cases, what else are we supposed to perceive?
From Chicago Tribune
“Morton said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona officials. The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, not a patchwork of state laws, he said.”
Adam
June 28th, 2011
2:10 pm
Scott: From the judge’s ruling:
In 2010, immigration offenses were prosecuted in federal court more than any other offense. Of the 83,946 cases prosecuted under the federal sentencing guidelines, 28,504, or 34% involved immigration offenses. In 2010, of 81,304 criminal cases prosecuted in federal court, 38,619 (47.5%) were non-United States citizens.
Also, your quote is consistent from the policy position of the US in general, which is that immigration of OUR COUNTRY is not a state issue. The states don’t get to decide their state is going to “citizen arrest” immigrants.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
2:43 pm
Adam, What is your point? When the head of ICE says that he is not going to have his guys enforce law, that is no longer a perception but rather a reality.
You can throw every numbers out there but it does not take away from the fact that the head of immigration said he was not going to have his agents enforce the law in some cases. To me, that is wrong and the guy should be fired. I guess to you it is perfectly acceptable because the statistics say the courts are prosecuting more than any other offense and this admin is doing a great job. I use that stat as proof that more needs to be done to stop them from coming into the country and more needs to be done to kick them out. Of course, you will go ahead and make light of the situation, probably joke about it like Obama did with his “moat” statement, even going so far as to lie about finishing a fence across the border when in fact nothing is even close to being finished.
There is only one way to answer this debate…..stop the bleeding, kick the illegals out, and enforce our laws.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
3:48 pm
Scott — “Joe Mama, I have no idea what you are talking about. I answered your questions. It is not a matter of my answering them. It is a matter of you not liking what I have to say.”
No, Scott. You did not answer *several* questions I politely asked you. Instead, you posited several inapplicable counterexamples in increasingly shrill language.
“I answered your questions using legit examples”
No, you did not.
“and now your only response is to say that I have not addressed your questions.”
No, I could respond in many other ways; I simply choose not to.
“So there go….run run run.”
I’m not running anywhere, Scott. I simply don’t care to continue this particular conversation with you. As I said above, perhaps we will meet again on another thread and have a more productive conversation than this one.
“It is what you libs do best.”
And here’s a good example of why there’s no reason for me to go on talking with you on this topic.
“And the sad part is that we will probably end up on another thread sometime and you will want to rehash the whole thing as if this conversation never even existed. it is eerily similar to how liberal politicians want everybody to forget the damage they have inflicted on this economy. Instead of taking accountability, they are just going to look for a way to blame it on Republicans….probably on GW again.”
(pointing, laughing)
BO
June 28th, 2011
4:06 pm
Would love to get in this debate, but I have to figure out which of the 57 states I need to visit. BO
Scott
June 28th, 2011
4:20 pm
BO….lol. I am sure libs on here will just say that comment was wrongly quoted like they do every time he flubs.
Penny Lane
June 28th, 2011
4:30 pm
“I worked for many years with refugees and I can tell you one of the groups most ardently opposed to illegal entry are those who waited and came legally.”
This is absolutely true. Last year, a friend of mine in Africa won the immigration lottery after applying *every year* for twelve years. Twelve years!
This is someone who could have come on “vacation” to the United States while pregnant and then had her baby in the States to make a little instant U.S. citizen, but she wanted to follow the law and do things the right way.
So someone who’s law-abiding and wants to participate honorably in American society has to wait twelve years to come to the U.S., but instead of feeling admiration for her I am supposed to have all sorts of sympathy for the people who cut in line to come here instead.
Seems kind of harsh.
BO
June 28th, 2011
4:58 pm
Scott… Figured out where I’m at… Pearl Harbor, where that bomb fell…
Alphaman1964
June 28th, 2011
5:06 pm
I wish folks would stop evading the REAL issue. The REAL issue is that white people see that our country is changing where no longer will they be the majority population. These “illegal alien” laws being passed in Georgia, Arizona, Alabama, etc. are in response to fear and hatred. If many were truely honest, they would admit that they want to put a stop to the population trends by any means necessary including getting rid of “illegal” and legal persons of Hispanic/Latino origin and other people of color. If there was a dramatic increase in the number of people in our county from any European country, there would be no public outcry, no laws established to allow the police to harrass them, and no legislation that further hurts our already weak economy. I would have more respect for those of you that support the “illegal alien’ laws, if you were honest and admitted what your true motivation is – xenophobic hatefulness.
BO
June 28th, 2011
5:13 pm
Scott… No wait, I’m trying to figure out what the cost of a breathalyzer costs in Bristol, VA.
them
June 28th, 2011
9:09 pm
They will fight back and get even. No one is going to allow an American in their country.
Adam
June 29th, 2011
9:38 am
Scott: Put your money where your mouth is then. If you want better enforcement, pay more to the Treasury so they have the money to hire more enforcement agents, even though they are enforcing more than they did under Bush.
Think of it too, like this: If Arizona passes a law so they can kick most illegals out of THEIR state, but then have immigration enforcement dot he rest, that unfairly burdens the immigration enforcers with having more Arizona immigrants to process than in other states. If it were possible to do that without sacrificing enforcement elsewhere, then that would be fine. But it isn’t, and I think it IS fine when someone says they aren’t going to sacrifice the NATIONAL enforcement efforts to cater to the whims of ONE STATE.
6/29 – ajc.com – Immigration bill protesters granted signature bonds | ajc.com « GIRRC – Georgia Immigrant & Refugee Rights Coalition
June 29th, 2011
7:10 pm
[...] Bookman: Judge says state seeks ‘climate of hostility’ [...]
BM
June 29th, 2011
7:50 pm
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia”
Uh yeah, that’s the whole point and there’s nothing wrong with that!
The law is not intended to create a climate of fear. A climate of fear is what happens when there are large numbers of people in your state residing there illegally. The fear is nobody’s fault but their own for assuming they could break the law and that there wouldn’t be consequences.
Since when did we decide not to enforce laws because the criminals would be afraid? They should be afraid. And the should get the heck out of Georgia and go somewhere that wants them, like CA.
Let’s rephrase what the judge said: ‘
Have our federal judges been replaced by Martians? Who are these people? Do they even reference the law in their decisions anymore or is it all about their “feelings” now? This is Obama BS.
6/28 – ajc.com – Georgians react to judge’s decision to halt parts of anti-illegal immigration law | ajc.com « GIRRC – Georgia Immigrant & Refugee Rights Coalition
June 29th, 2011
9:27 pm
[...] Bookman: Judge says state seeks ‘climate of hostility’ [...]
William
June 30th, 2011
11:10 am
A judge that is advocating emotional and law breaking over enforcing the law? No wonder the U.S. citizen can no longer get justice in his or her own country. This judge should be removed from office, as he can’t seem to protect the U.S. constitution, the U.S. citizen, or the law.
William
June 30th, 2011
11:19 am
Adam, you have no idea what you are talking about. The number of illegals crossing the AZ border makes it the biggest area of illegal crossings in the nation. More enforcement HAS to be done there and that means more DHS and Border patrol in that ONE state.
This is the reason why progressives, like you, never become officers in our military, you have no idea how to solve a problem, or even where the problem is located. You are only worried about the equal division of the resources amongst all the states, in other words known as COMMUNISM.